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Q: “Father, can you explain what ‘Om Namah Shivaya’ means?”

Yes. ‘Om Namah Shivaya’ means: ‘Om’ is the primordial vibration which means the sense ‘I Am’, Being, Consciousness Itself.

So to say ‘Om’ before the start of anything is a very auspicious way to start.

And ‘Namah Shivaya’ means: my head is bowed down to this pure Awareness Itself.

Shiva has many representations but the way I would look at Shiva is a representation of pure Awareness itself, the Absolute. In Hinduism, Shiva is associated with the force of Being, the Destroyer. In the holy trinity of Brama, Vishnu and Shiva; Brama is the Creator, Vishnu is the Preserver and Shiva is the Destroyer or Rejuvenator. But here, when we say Shivaya we are mostly referring to Shiva as the Absolute.

So what we say when we say ‘Om Namah Shivaya’ is: ‘Om. I bow down to this Absolute, Shiva.’

Om Namah Shivaya.

Q: “There is identification with realizing the truth without further pain.”

Let’s look at this.  They say ‘There is identification with realizing the truth without further pain’. Which also means that there is identification that the pain is yours. Pain is something which is ever present. In the physical form, pain will always be present. Even now if you were to scan through the body, you will find some areas of little pain.

But when we don’t believe our mental interpretation about this pain, then you will see that it cannot become suffering. And you will find that it is very manageable, this pain.

In fact, energetically you might find that there is not so much difference between pain and pleasure. Some of you might find this funny, might even resist this. But if you were just to look at pain with complete openness, you will find that it is not so different energetically from pleasure itself.

Just like Mooji takes the example and says that nervousness or fear is not very different from excitement, energetically. It is only that the interpretation of both these is very different; and one we are resisting and the other we are open about.

So don’t identify. First, we must transcend this idea of pain also. It cannot be that you carry this fear of pain into the Truth. This one who is fearful of pain, is also ‘the same guy’. The imagined one.

Who is worried about pain?

Who is fearing this pain?

Is it you?

Can you show me ‘this’ you?

Show me ‘this’ you.

Where is it?

Namaste everyone. A very warm welcome to satsang today. Moojiji ki Jai.

Thank you very much for joining in. And if this is your first time here the way to ask questions is through the chat window. And I hope the audio and video are fine. Welcome, welcome, namaste. All good? Denan, welcome. Welcome, Atma, Wiebke, Amrita, Shanti, Prema, Amaya. Very good, very good. Atma says, “Both are perfect.” Okay, AV is good. Om namah Shivaya. Welcome, Vivi.

There is nobody here that can run your life. No person can run his or her life. Nobody can sort out their life. It is life itself which sorts out everything. So ultimately the question is: Are you trusting this person which you believe yourself to be? Or are you trusting life itself? So many of us still trying to sort out the content of our life. And one of the most important pieces of content, it seems to most of us, is the concept that ‘In the content, the idea of me should become free’. Isn’t it? The idea of me should become free.

But this ‘idea of me’ cannot become free. And as long as we are catering to this idea, then it will always be at some distance. It will always be ‘just a little more’, it will always be ‘almost there’. Because an idea can not be free. You cannot make an idea free even with the most glorious concept of self-realization. An idea is always only an idea.

Namaste, Namaste, everyone. Freedom is only freedom from ‘this idea of me’. And if this is clear, then instantly freedom is here. I see so much seeming struggle still, so much struggle it seems, even with Beings who have been in the sangha for some time. Because still this concept that ‘This individual me should get its freedom’ is not seen through. So today right now we can see through this concept. There is no individual me. It is as simple as that. There is no individual ‘I’. It just does not exist. If this one pointing is heard clearly, then there is actually nothing else to be heard. There is no individual I, it was only an idea.

Let’s catch up with the chat. Namaste, namaste.

Atma says, “Yes true, the idea of me should become free is the concept.”  Isn’t it? She says, “Clear, Father. Thank you.”

Kapil says, “Yes, the more I try, the more I feel lost.”

Yes because it is the same ‘I’ which is trying and the same ‘I’ which is feeling lost. This ‘I’ is not real. The ‘I’ that can try is not real, and the ‘I’ that can feel lost is not real. It’s only an idea, only concepts.

Atma says, “Very simple.”

Ustreamer98 says, “Monologue.”

Yes, it is a monologue, being speaking with being, Consciousness speaking with Itself. But if you were saying in the more practical way, then the way to ask questions is through the chat window, just like this; and I am very happy if this is a dialogue actually.

Atma says, “So much joy in this.”

This ‘I’ just does not exist. Our thoughts are not speaking to anyone, they are speaking to the imaginary one. They are speaking to the imaginary one. So a simple inquiry is to just see: ‘Who is the thought speaking to?’ Wait for the next thought to arise, try to find out: ‘Who is the thought speaking with?’ And you will see that there is nothing there for the thought to communicate with.

Aryev is here. Aryev says, “Namaste, Ananta. Hello everyone.”   Namaste.

Namaste, Zurim. Good.

There is nobody here. There is nobody here. A thought is not speaking with anyone. We are only imagining the one that we have conjured up out of our own ideas. That’s why it’s so simple just to stay in the right now, because in the right now the imagined one cannot function. The mind cannot be in the right now. The mind is always projecting into the future or taking something from the past.

Atma says, “Oh no, will not write more.”   You can keep writing it is fine.

So the whole point of the inquiry, the question ‘Who am I?’ is to see that the individual ‘I’ never existed at all. Then it is ‘game over’ and’ game over’ is now.

Zoe says, “Beloved Father, a story that Moojiji shared in his latest satsang really hit me;  the story of Rama’s brother who puts a ring into the pot and finds it full of rings. It’s a beautiful story, no?”   Moojiji shared it yesterday. Rama’s brother is called Lakshman.

Shanti says, “Everything I think about myself is made up imagination.” Yes. “I imagine a new identity every time I describe myself as a person. This one can imagine freedom, but the freedom it imagines is as unreal, too.”   Yes, very good.

“And the Guruji told Lakshman,” Zoe says, “the Guruji says ‘They are all yours’.” Yes.   “It was like a sharp pin in my complacency.”

The Guru says ‘How many times, oh Lakshman, will you come here riding your high horse of ego? So my Presence can not go along with your high horse of the ego. You can keep inviting me as many times, for as many lifetimes, but until you get off your horse this play will continue, for as long as you are riding the horse of your ego, if you are still believing yourself to be a person; no matter how glorious this person’s goal might be. But the Guru’s presence will not be felt as long as you are still giving so much belief to the person idea. And lifetime after lifetime we can play this game. Because I am always here, actually waiting for you to get off your horse.

Sindhu says, “Something appears to happen when Self creates a situation for any individual ‘I’ to be exposed, and when this is seen then nothing seems to have happened at all; if this makes sense.”

Exactly. Because ultimately we are always only the Self. So all that is happening is only a ‘seeming’. All the suffering that is arising also is a ‘seeming’ so that unreality can be transcended; and once it is seen that ‘All is the Self’ then it is seen that none of this actually happened. Makes complete sense.

Atma says, “Love you so much, Father. Your shining face is enough for me.”  Very good.

Sindhu says, “Just here, yet nowhere somehow.”

Zoe says, “I have got off my horse, Father, and my head is at your feet.”   Very good.

Actually once you get off your horse, then my head is also at your feet. Because I am always in service to that which has let go of the ego. That is pure Being itself and I am always only in service to this Being itself. I am the voice of the Being which is serving only the Being Itself.

But this voice can not cater to the ego, and that is why the instant you get off the horse, in that very instant Truth in this voice will be immediately heard. But if you are looking for something personal, if you are looking for some personal benefit, then that is just like trying to use a strong chemotherapy treatment to cure a small cut. We are not here to cater to the ego. We are also not here to get you to any state. We are not here to give you any experience. We are just here to point to what you already are.

But to the mind this is completely unattractive. To the mind this is completely unattractive, because the mind’s mantra is what? The mind’s mantra is ‘What’s in it for me?’ And there is nothing here for the mind. Therefore the pre-requisite is that you have gotten off this mind, you have gotten off the ego, you have gotten off this high horse.

If you want to become something special, then this is not the place for you. But if you want to see the Truth, the regular sober seeing of your own ever-present Self, then that is available right here right now. The entire world, all that you do, caters to your idea of ‘me’, your idea of ‘I’. But here that is not possible. Satsang is to remove this thorn of mis-belief in the ego. We are not here to make the thorn more comfortable.

That is why all your buttons seem to get pressed in satsang. All the buttons that are there will seem to get pressed as you go along. And it might be that in the first few satsangs you find it very blissful, peaceful; but suddenly this resistance starts to come up. And that’s why I say ‘if you can’t stand the heat, then make sure you stay in the kitchen, don’t run just yet’. Because this heat is burning what is untrue. It is burning the untruth. Because the truth cannot be burnt. and it can be in any form, the resistance can be in any form. It can be that ‘I have understood now, and hence I can stop being in satsang’. It can be ‘I have understood now’. It can be that this is the same stuff over and over; it can be boredom, it can be sleep. But until the master tells you ‘It is okay not to come to satsang’ until then we must be in satsang.

Sindhu says, “Thank you so much, Guru who is here. Always grateful.”   Yes, very good.

Zoe says, “Thank you, beloved Father. Such tears and gratitude here.” Very good.

Prema says, “So much gratitude, Father.”   Thank you.

Lizelle, “So much love.”

Shanti says, “Everything you say is sweet, soothing music to my hearts ears; not a false note.”

And yet there could be Beings here who find it torture to be in satsang; they find it hard work. Yes, so when that is coming up for some of you, you must make sure that you stay in satsang.

Ustreamer604 says, “Have many resistances and many experiences through many years of satsang, and have enjoyed all of it. Have no conclusion as an idea, as a person, though the seeing as Presence is eternal.”

‘Have many resistances and many experiences through many years of satsang and have enjoyed all of it. Have no conclusion as an idea, as a person, though the seeing as Presence is eternal’.  Yes, yes, yes. So the pure seeing, even the Presence, the pure Being emerges. So Being or Presence relies on Awareness; Awareness does not rely on Presence. Very good.

Atma says, “Yes, father.”   Yes.

Zoe says, “So perfect, stay in satsang until the Master tells you it’s okay to leave satsang.” Yes.

Sindhu says, “Guru is not a person anymore, but love more than ever is felt for Ramana, Mooji, Anantaji.”   Very good, very good, yes.

As I have often said the voice that is speaking through this mouth is not the person Ananta’s voice. It is the voice of your own Satguru in your own Heart. And once you come to the point of constant communion with this, your own inner Guru, your own Guru, then the external Master can say that you are constantly in satsang anyway, yes.

Kapil says, “The two big confusions that you have helped me see are: One, freedom for me / person; solving controlling the content of life. Thank you. So much love.”

Very good, this is very good. Because just in a few satsangs he is able to give this report, which is he is able to see that there was a concept of freedom for ‘the person’ which is now being dropped. Because if you see that there is no person here anyway, then whose freedom are we striving for? This in itself is so beautiful. And the second he says is solving / controlling the content of life. Yes. No one can control the flow of appearances. It’s like trying to control the flow of a river with a small twig in our hands; it is not possible. How will we control life? Who is here to control life? Consciousness itself is life.

Sindhu says, “At your feet Father.”  So much love dear. Good.

Nassimomurti says, “Loving you so much for the clarity on communion with the inner Master.”   Very good.

Wiebke says, “So grateful for seeing more and more hidden ideas and seeing more and more issues where I want to make exceptions. So beautiful, this seeing.”   Yes.

And that is why I say stay in satsang. Stay in satsang because we will take away the last blade of grass that you are carrying. Your bag will be made completely empty, and also your bag will be taken away. Nothing, nothing, nothing will be carried out of satsang. All will be surrendered here in the fire of satsang. And to some of you this might still seem like a scary thought, but actually it is the most auspicious. To be completely empty is the most auspicious. In the ‘right now’ you are completely empty. Become bereft of all ideas and notions and concepts about yourself. Who lives here now?

Ginger says, “Yes, please take the content of the bag, and the bag, and the carrier of the bag. Whatever is left that remains untrue, let it be revealed and purged.”

Very good, very good. This is the first time I see you in satsang, and such a strong testimony right to begin with. Very good. So happy to meet you here. In this integrity, in this courage, freedom is already here. Like you said, if you have left the bag and the carrier of the bag with me, then you cannot be bound now. Where is the bondage now? It is very good.

Denan says, “This is such wonderful <censored> have nothing remain. Throwing all of it, even the idea that something wants to remain; and throwing all in the fire. ”   Yes, yes, yes.

Even this idea, even the thrower of all ideas, even the surrenderer will be surrendered. And you know what the good news is? That all is already surrendered. We are only dreaming about all of this struggle. We are dreaming about this search to find ourself. You are already the Self.

So Atma is repeating what I asked, she says, “Who lives here now?”   Yes, that is the question.

Nassimomurti says, To be completely emptied is the most auspicious. What a feeling, pure and pristine.”   Yes.

Lizelle says, “Hari Om, Anantaji.”   Hari Om. “It is felt in a real way that there is only Presence here.”   Yes, very good. “No person. How can we speak of previous lives? It makes no sense to me now.”

Yes, yes, completely. There is only Presence here, and to speak of previous lives is only for entertainment when we are speaking of. It’s like speaking of last night dreams, isn’t it? It’s like speaking of the dreams we had last night. They have no relevance, they didn’t touch me at all. Being is not affected by any content, be it a dream, be it a life; it’s all the same, all the projection of the same light of Consciousness.

Ustreamer604 says, “Consciousness dreams a dream of itself.”   Yes exactly. Good.

Atma says, “Yes, only dreaming about all this struggle. Thank you.”  Very good.

The individual ‘I’ does just not exist. Let go of this individual ‘I’ and then tell me what emerges from this space. Or you show me some evidence of its existence. Show me some evidence that it is not imagined, that it is real. And I am happy to have this discussion. If you say ‘But I see this, and this is me’ then we will look at this together, and we will come to a conclusion about whether the seeing can ever be you. Or are you just the pure seeing itself?

And if you are new to satsang, and these words are a little confusing, it is alright. Just know that the Presence is doing its work on its own. We are not aiming for a mental understanding. So don’t get frustrated if the mind is not understanding . It is very good. What I am attempting to do is to do a ‘mind-bypass’ and maybe it is to confound the mind so much that it doesn’t seemingly get in the way.

Ustreamer604 says, “No words, it is space.”   Yes, yes, yes.

Without referring to the false idea of the individual ‘I’ can anyone show me any signs of suffering?   Very good.

Ustreamer604 says, “Not space as an object.”

Not space as an object, yes. Not space as a visual. Sometimes the mind has a habit of creating space as a visual metaphor for what is real, yes. So they say ‘Not space as an object’. Yes, very good.

[Ustreamer604] “Though a seeing; seeing a vibration,”   Yes.   “though the vibration is not Self.”

Yes. Even the pure vibration, the primordial vibration, ‘I am’ or ‘Om’ is not the Self; but the pure witnessing of this has no separation from what I am, therefore this is the Self, this is the real true Self.

Amrit Gaurav says, “Dot, dot, dot.” [Laughs].

Amaya says, “Surrendering, and also asking about the experience that ‘I can do nothing, it all happens on its own’, even what you would call ego reaction or personhood moments, even while witnessing happens.”

Yes. All is flowing on its own, yes. And it must be also seen that, if we say that ‘Consciousness is the one doer, we say Guru is the one doer’. ‘Tvam karta’ means ‘You are the doer’. But this is only half of the truth. The other half is ‘Tvam bhogta’ which means ‘You are the experiencer’.

So we cannot say ‘You are the doer, and yet I am the experiencer’. Because ‘You are the doer’ itself means ‘You are all there is. God or consciousness is all there is’. So if there is a sense that ‘You are the doer, and I am the experiencer’ then this concept that ‘I am the experiencer’ also must be thrown away. Because this would imply that God is doing everything that is happening to you. It is not true. God is doing everything that is happening to God itself. Do we understand this?

So the instant we have this feeling that ‘This is happening to me’, that means that we are still saying that ‘I must be the doer’ somewhere. Because the one that is the doer is also the experiencer. We must be completely clear that if Consciousness is the doer then Consciousness is also the experiencer. Therefore if some action is causing some suffering, then the action and the suffering both are God’s alone; because the person just does not exist. And that is why, if there is even a sense that ‘Something happened to me or through me’ then even that concept can be thrown in the fire. That is the meaning of surrendering.

It’s like the beautiful story that the Master says, the beautiful story that Guruji shares, he says, ‘Someone came to Jesus and said, ‘I believe but help me overcome my disbelief’. So that is like surrendering, isn’t it? You are already in a surrendered state. Yet it is auspicious to do the process of surrender.

Ginger says, “No suffering. Just ‘Is’ is here.”   ‘Is’ is here, yes.   “And here is not inside or outside. Is just Is, and there is just love here.”

And who is aware of this Is-ness? How are you able to report on the fact that ‘Is’ is here? There is an awareness even of pure Presence, isn’t there? So this Awareness is prior to the I am-ness also.

Shanti says, “Impossible to suffer without the individual identity. Seems so obvious now.”   Yes, yes, yes.   “Hardly necessary to question it now.”   Yes.   “But still keep checking to verify this.”   Very good.

Ustreamer604 says, “Clear as clarity can be in words.”

Yes, as Bhagavan [Ramana Maharshi] said, words are just concepts which are used as thorns to remove other thorns. And then both the thorns are thrown away, isn’t it? No need to make tattoos out of any words. As Moojiji says, ‘Don’t make tattoos out of any words’.

Ginger says, “Just this emptiness is aware.”   Very good, very good.

And in this, what are you? In all of this, what are you?

“I must be the Awareness.”   Yes, very good.

And it’s very simple actually, because we have simplified it so much now. Just in the simple question: ‘Are you aware now?’ Just in the simple question ‘Are you aware now?’ we see that Awareness alone is aware of awareness. It is Awareness alone which is aware of awareness. It is the only non-phenomenal seeing. Awareness being aware of itself.

Ustreamer604 says, “Every time you ask this, ‘what am I?’, I am laughing.”   Yes. Good.

Amaya says, “Here must surrender that this ‘I idea’ shows its head, and can do nothing to stop pain or reaction. Don’t know how to help and be finally free. All can say is ‘I am aware of it’.”   Yes, this is very good.

To see that ‘These momentary reactions can come, momentary actions and reactions can come, but I am ultimately untouched by it’ is what the truth is. To get involved in the content as the doer or the experiencer is not true. That’s the only learning at this. So just stay as the Self, just stay as Awareness itself, and you will see that all of this is just appearing and disappearing. It’s very good.

Any appearance, any content says nothing about You. The interpreter is never speaking the truth, so don’t buy any interpretation no matter how true it sounds. All appearances are just appearances. Don’t believe that they are speaking about You.

Amaya says, “Not appearance…”

Okay, I missed another one, she says, “Since stay as the Self…, but all night, especially body pain, almost impossible to feel that Awareness alone is freedom.” Yes.   “So much reaction, sadness, futility about it just now. Surrender this into the fire.”   Yes.

And through all of this content which is appearing, you are always only the witnessing of it. But yes, when these strong reactions come, everything seems to happen together; it is very good actually that all of this happens so that it can be exposed and seen that ‘It is not me’. It is seen that it is not You. Even the actions and reactions happening through the body, they are seen to be just a happening, they are seen to be just an appearance. Isn’t it?

[She said] ‘Not appearance…’ Not sure which part she was referring to on that one.

Vivi says, “These questions are so, so powerful as Nania (?).  I know nothing at all, all is grace, all is you.”   Very good my dear, very good.

Denan said, “You just answered a question that I was holding in my heart but wasn’t sure how to ask; not buying the interpreters current commentary. Your words just allowed it to drop.”

Very good. Don’t buy its current commentary or any future commentary. Just fire the interpreter. Fire the interpreter.

Ustreamer604 says, “That’s why I sense more the Presence and vibrations more than literal translations. Om. Your Presence is shining.”   Very good.

Amaya says, “When so physically tangible it seems.”    Yes, yes, yes. Does not seem like an appearance when it seems so real, seems so tangible, isn’t it? Yes.

So isn’t it very good that it appears? Because you can see that it can seem so real, it can seem so real. And yet now you know in your heart that you are transcending it. You are still in satsang, very good. You know in your heart that you are transcending it. And how do I know this? Because you are still in satsang. Most beings in the strength of such strong physical discomfort, and all of these, might not have continued to be in satsang. It is very good. In the face of such strong resistance to continue, to be in the Presence of satsang is very good.

Shanti says, “Yes this is so great. Nothing I can think about myself, or anything, or anyone…, is simply not true.”   Yes.  [Repeats it]: Anything I can think about myself or anything or anyone is simply not true.    “It has nothing to do with who I really am. It is what freedom is, freedom from the person / interpreter.”   Very good.

Amaya says, “Surrender it all even if it never passes, but stay aware of it.”   Yes, yes.

Actually it is not that much hard work also. Just a simple pointing that the witnessing is ever-present anyway. And you find that there is no distance between you and the witnessing. You don’t have to make yourself the Awareness, or you don’t have to force the Awareness. Can you stop witnessing? Can you stop being aware? No one can stop awareness. Therefore ‘Be the Awareness’ is only a simple pointing which means ‘Don’t become or don’t pretend to be anything but the Awareness’. It’s not that it is work to become the Awareness. It actually means to let go of all effort of pretending to be something else, pretending to be a person.

There is actually nothing we can do to become the Awareness because we are already always the Awareness alone. It only means that we have to stop pretending, or giving up our belief to some personal ideas. And this ties in very well with what seems to be the theme for today. It is that: The individual ‘I’ never, ever existed here. It was only an imagination. You are never the ego.

Zoe says, “My heart is blossoming as I listen to your words.”   Very good.   “Father, thank you is not a big enough phrase.”   I know what you mean my dear.

Atma says, “Yes Father.”   Very good.

Amaya says, “Thank you. Love you.”   Love you too, my dear. “Yes, witnessing is ever present, it just doesn’t seem to translate to feeling free. That is what I am surrendering…, though many, many times, days, do feel free.”   Yes.

Whatever feeling might be present, you are not that. all feelings are just appearances. So don’t believe that freedom is a state. We are not trying to bring you to any state, because all states come and go, no matter how blissful or peaceful they might seem. You will find that you are only the stateless state. You are the one in which all states are born, untouched by any state.

Ian says, “Much love, Ananta and sangha.”   Much love to you, my dear.

Amrit says, “Beloved Anantaji, thank you so much for a beautiful satsang.”   Very welcome, very welcome.   “I have written a few lines for sending you in personal chat. It just came from the heart.”   Sure, sure. You sent it on Facebook? Is it on Facebook personal chat? Because here I don’t see anything.

Amaya says, “Thank you for taking this, and for this satsang.”   Very welcome.

Ginger says, “Thank you, thank you, thank you.”   Thank you too. Welcome to satsang.

Naomi says, “So thankful to be part of this beautiful satsang.”   I am also thankful that you are here, very good.

Shanti says, “Thank you, Father, for the love you transmit on our behalf. At your feet. Namaste.”   Namaste. Very welcome, my dear.

Prema says, “I am the stateless state. Tank you Father.” Yes, very welcome, very good.

Thank you all so very much for joining in satsang today.  Moojiji ki Jai !

Thank you. Thank you all, thank you so much. Thank you.

Sangha:  Moojiji ki Jai !  Anantaji ki Jai !  Thank you. Love you.

The simplest questions seem to have the most important answers.

What are the simplest questions we can ask?

Maybe one of the simplest questions that any Being can ask is: ‘Who am I?’

Who am I? This question, in the most logical sense, should have been the basis of our understanding, isn’t it? Looking at it very objectively, it is very clear that first we must understand who we are. Before we would like to understand anything else, first this self-understanding must be there. But somehow, in this upside-down world, this question seems to have become like the final frontier, where only the ‘most accomplished seekers’ (quote-unquote) seem to be engaged with this question. But isn’t that completely upside-down? [Laughs].

How can it be that so many Beings just go through entire lifetimes after lifetimes without ever really questioning ‘Who am I?’

Why does it happen like this? It happens only because there is a hypnosis of the mind. The hypnosis of the mind resists this question with all it’s might. All kinds of resistance will come which will say all kinds of nonsense. It will say ‘What will I get? First tell me what will I get if I were to ask this question?’ It will say ‘Nobody can find this answer’. Without even looking, it will use some half-knowledge, half-baked knowledge to resist the question.

Because in this question itself is the entire unraveling of this delusion; of this delusion of separation, of the delusion of ego, of the delusion that ‘I am a separate entity, a separate person’. In this one simple question, the entire delusion can be dissolved.

And yet, we are constantly catering to an ‘I’. We are constantly catering to an ‘I’ but we never want to ask ‘Who am I?’

All that we do is for ‘me’. The ego’s mantra is ‘What’s in it for me?’ All that we do is for ‘me’ yet we never want to find out ‘Who is this me?’ And even if we ask, then we settle for some peanuts, without even seriously looking.

The question is ‘Who am I?’

We said that the simplest question, this simplest question, has the power to dissolve the entire delusion.

And all that we do is catering to this idea of a ‘me’. We said the ego’s mantra is ‘What’s in it for me?’ And it doesn’t even settle for ‘What’s in it for me?’ It also says ‘Me, alone. Me, special. Me, but not you’. This is separation in it’s strongest form. ‘What’s in it for me?’ and ‘Me first’.

It’s very easy to see this behavior of the mind, isn’t it? All you have to do, (at least in India), all you have to do is get in your car and get on the road. Everybody wants to get there first. And if someone comes in our way…, we don’t know anything about their circumstances, maybe they’re truly in an urgent situation…, but that one becomes an object of our rage, an object of our anger; because the ‘me’ wanted to get there first. The ‘me’ doesn’t want to be slowed down. The ‘me’ doesn’t trust that all is happening only through the will of God.

But we refuse to ask ‘Who is this me?’

Namaste everyone. A very warm welcome to satsang today. Moojiji ki Jai.

[Namaste] Thank you all so very much for joining in today. And if this is your first time here, the way to ask questions is through the chat window. Namaste, Namaste, Namaste.

The simplest questions seem to have the most important answers. What are the simplest questions we can ask? Maybe one of the simplest questions that any Being can ask is ‘Who am I?’

Who am I? This question, in the most logical sense, should have been the basis of our understanding, isn’t it? Looking at it very objectively, it is very clear that first we must understand who we are. Before we would like to understand anything else, first this self-understanding must be there. But somehow, in this upside-down world, this question seems to have become like the final frontier, where only the ‘most accomplished seekers’ (quote-unquote) seem to be engaged with this question. But isn’t that completely upside-down? [Laughs]. How can it be that so many Beings just go through entire lifetimes after lifetimes without ever really questioning ‘Who am I?’

Why does it happen like this? It happens only because there is a hypnosis of the mind. The hypnosis of the mind resists this question with all it’s might. All kinds of resistance will come which will say all kinds of nonsense. It will say ‘What will I get? First tell me what will I get if I were to ask this question?’ It will say ‘Nobody can find this answer’. Without even looking, it will use some half-knowledge, half-baked knowledge to resist the question. Because in this question itself is the entire unraveling of this delusion; of this delusion of separation, of the delusion of ego, of the delusion that ‘I am a separate entity, a separate person’. In this one simple question, the entire delusion can be dissolved. And yet, we are constantly catering to an ‘I’. We are constantly catering to an ‘I’ but we never want to ask ‘Who am I?’ All that we do is for ‘me’. The ego’s mantra is ‘What’s in it for me?’ All that we do is for ‘me’ yet we never want to find out ‘Who is this me?’ And even if we ask, then we settle for some peanuts, without even seriously looking.

The question is ‘Who am I?’

We said that the simplest question, this simplest question, has the power to dissolve the entire delusion. And all that we do is catering to this idea of a ‘me’. And we said the ego’s mantra is ‘What’s in it for me?’ And it doesn’t even settle for ‘What’s in it for me?’ It also says ‘Me, alone. Me, special. Me, but not you’. This is separation in it’s strongest form. ‘What’s in it for me?’ and ‘Me first’. And it’s very easy to see this behavior of the mind, isn’t it? All you have to do, at least in India, all you have to do is get in your car and get on the road. Everybody wants to get there first. And if someone comes in our way…, we don’t know anything about their circumstances, maybe they’re truly in an urgent situation…, but that one becomes an object of our rage, an object of our anger; because the ‘me’ wanted to get there first. The ‘me’ doesn’t want to be slowed down. The ‘me’ doesn’t trust that all is happening only through the will of God. But we refuse to ask ‘Who is this me?’

Okay, there’s some chat, let’s catch up.

Ajnani says, “Yes, sun is rising from the West.”  Yes.

Cornelia says, “Truly upside-down.”  Yes.

Atma says, “Yes, yes. Very true, Father.”

Zoe says, “Missed the question.”  Yes, we answered that.

Atma says, “The ego’s mantra.”  Yes, it is the ego’s mantra: ‘What’s in it for me?’

Lizelle, Namaste.

Ustreamer8666 says, “The question is answered by the hypnotized mind which has some knowledge of truth. It says ‘I am That’. But that is just intellectual. How to go further than that?”

Very good, very good. Yes. We asked the question, and the mind immediately comes up with a response. And if the response is not pure resistance to stop the questioning, then it is based on some half-baked concept. And it doesn’t help to say ‘I am That’. It doesn’t help to say ‘I am God’, because it is only replacing one concept that ‘I am a person’ with another imagined concept that ‘I am God’.

That is why it is not the answer which is important, but the looking that happens when the question is asked. And very quickly it is seen that ‘I cannot be the perceived world, including the body. I cannot be the body because the body is only made up of the food that I have consumed. Also very few problems which I seem to have in my life really pertain to the body. They seem to be problems of relationships, problems of money. The body is unconcerned with relationships and unconcerned with money’.

I say that ‘I am not the world, I am not the body, what else can I be? Can I be these thoughts which are arising and disappearing; here for one instant, not here the next? Can I be my imagination, which also comes in this way, comes and goes? Can I be my memories which are so unreliable?’ Most situations Beings will remember differently; they are so unreliable. ‘Can I be my emotions, which arise and they fade; one minute happiness, second minute sadness, with no predictability?’

Who is the witness to all of these? Who witnesses the world, who witnesses the body, who witnesses the thoughts, who witnesses the emotions? There is an ever-present seeing, isn’t there? There is a seeing of all of this.

What distance is there between you and this seeing? We can all look at this. Even if you feel you know the answer already, just look again. There is a seeing of the entire phenomenal universe, external or internal. What distance is there between you and this seeing?

We can take a minute to answer this question. Does this seeing come and go? We are not speaking of what is seen, we are not speaking of the content of what is seen. We are not speaking of objects. But there is a witnessing, there is a perceiving of all objects. Does this perceiving come and go?

So, yes, Ustreamer8666, I hope there is a little more clarity now.

Aradhana says, “Yesterday I got a serious tounge lashing by a mind-hypnotized Being that realizing the Self is highly delusional, and that this is feeding my insecurities. Remained as the Self through the tirade.”

Very good. Because now if we have stopped believing the content of our own mind, then why must we believe the content of another mind? And as simple as it sounds, this seems to be a challenge for some who come to satsang; that it’s easy now to let go of all our ideas and concepts and beliefs, but with the relationships that are around us, we seem to have trouble letting go of their ideas. So that still seems to have some juice for us.

Know that it is ‘the same guy’ as my Master says, ‘It is the same guy’. It is the ego itself. So just like thoughts have been let go of, don’t give juice to any thoughts which the seeming-others seem to have. It’s exactly the same ego.

Ananya says, “…‘Me’ and ‘you’ sounds too vague now.”   Yes.

Only in language, only for practical conversations, we use ‘me’ and ‘you’.

Cornelia says, “We do not ask because we assume that we know who is this ‘I’, me.”

Yes. The mind presumes an answer, and anything there is a slight inclination to ask, to look, then it comes up with a standard…, what is called a ‘canned response’. Isn’t it? Yeah? It can even say something really glorious, it can say ‘You are Consciousness, You are God’ or a very popular one ‘You are the soul’…, so still coming from a person pretending to be any of these things.

So, Shrikant says, “Ananta, Guruji, one question. If we practice this principle and try to defuse the ego, do you think it will be highly difficult to operate in the practical world?… wherein sometimes you need to be depending, and cannot afford to have an un-nourished ego; at least until completing the inevitable transaction. I do understand ego is definitely a delusion, but this temporary external world appearing in our minds is also a creation of God.”   Yes.

There is some confusion there, so let’s look at it very clearly. With the birth of Beingness, the sense ‘I am’, after that there is the birth of the phenomenal universe which seems to be perceived. And we won’t even debate whether this universe is real or not. For now, just presume that it is real. So this table is real, this computer is real, all appearances are real. I have no problem with this approach also. All is real. The body is real; all this, suppose it is all real. Now show me where is the person? Where is the ego? Is the ego the body? No. Because the body is not concerned with freedom. The body is not concerned with doing, and action. The body is not concerned with any transaction, isn’t it?

So even if were to say that all of this is real, even then the person idea or the ego is unreal. It is only a result of our imagination. Even if we were to say ‘all of this is not imagination and it is real’, even then the person is still only imagined. All that we believed about ourselves 5 years ago is different today; or 10 years ago is different today. We believed that ‘I am this kind of person’, now we believe that ‘I am another kind of person’. So if the person is so changeable then it is clearly seen that it is only made up of ideas. It has no real existence at all. It is just a bunch of different concepts that we have imagined into existence. That’s why I jokingly say…, but actually there is something in that to say ‘The person is a second-level of unreality’. If we were to say that this is the first projection of Consciousness in terms of the world, the appearance of the phenomenal world, then even at this level of unreality, the person doesn’t exist. The person is, again, a second level of unreality, which exists only in our imagination.

If I cut up the body, we will not find a person inside; we will only find flesh, bones; so where is this person which wants to do something, which wants to accomplish something, it wants to fulfill it’s responsibilities, it wants to be successful in the world? It wants to maintain it’s respect, it wants so many things. But who is this one? Can you find first this one, before catering to all it’s requirements? Before running on the treadmill, can you first find out where are you going? Who wants to be respected? Who wants to insure that actions are happening? Whose responsibilities are these? And if you look openly with an open mind, you will come to the conclusion that this one never, ever existed at all; is pure delusion. And that is why we say it is the hypnosis of the mind.

Atma says, “Very beautiful, Father, thank you. There is a seeing of all; no distance at all. I am the seeing.”  Yes.

Atma says, “The seeing is always here. All is coming out from the seeing, but the seeing is not moving.”   Yes.

Vivi says, “No distance here.”  Yes.

Zoe says, “This perceiving is ever-present.”  Very good.

Jayani says, “I am this seeing, ever-present.”

Shrikant says, “My point is this Self-realization requires developing a different competency, while the world demands a different competency to manage a country or manage a business.”

To realize the Self is possible right now! I am not giving you a practice, I am not giving you any skills to develop, nothing to be learned. All I’m saying is, for one instant, don’t follow your mind, and see what exists here, right now. And we’ve made it even simpler for you. We’ve made it even simpler with these two questions.

Can you stop being now? Can you stop being now? What will you do to stop being?

So this Being is ever-present, isn’t it? The mind will not understand this. Don’t struggle, don’t work hard. The words are finding their place automatically. Can you stop being now? This Being is God, this Being is Consciousness, this Being is ‘I am’. Nowhere you need to go, no competency to be developed, no skills required; no use of the mind is needed. The mind is just a bundle of thoughts and similar energies. They cannot help you now. Can you stop being now? What is this Being?

Zoe says, “That is wonderful, Father. The phrase ‘the same guy’ just hit me.”

Yes. Sometimes we’ve heard these things before, but suddenly in satsang it just becomes clear what is being talked about. Very good.

[Zoe]: “I don’t believe my own ego anymore, so why believe anyone else’s?”

Exactly. It is the same guy, the same guy.

Ustreamer8666 says, “Thank you. Love. It is clearly sensed. The seer never comes, never goes, and I am that. But there is still a person here. It is sensed as an energy contraction. Please help me melt that.”

Okay. Firstly, let’s examine the first part of your statement. It says that ‘the seer is ever- present’ but we did not say that, actually. We said that the ‘seeing’ is ever-present. There is an important difference in these two words. The ‘seer’ presumes the presence of an entity which owns the seeing. You’re still referring to yourself as a thing. The ‘seer’ is an entity. It sounds like a thing. Then simply, we can ask ‘What does this seer look like? What are the attributes of this seer? Where does he live?’ Can you tell me just one attribute of this seer? But without the evidence of even one attribute, don’t believe that it exists. At least one attribute we must be able to say for our belief in something to exist; at least something we must know about it. Can you tell me one thing about this ‘seer’ entity?

And why this is so important to see is that the ‘person’ entity might be still be getting some juice from the belief in the ‘seer’ entity. And once it is seen that there is never an entity here at all, all is just pure seeing, pure witnessing, Awareness itself…, then show me, even if a very heavy idea of personhood is here, it is only like a dark cloud in the sky. The sky is untouched by whether the cloud is dark, or it’s very light. In what way is the witnessing touched by the heaviness of personhood or the lightness of Being also? How is the witness touched even by the lightness of Being?

And in this contemplation it will melt the person idea; because it will not matter. Once it stops mattering, then you will find that no nourishment is going to it and it just dissolves with no expectations.

Clare says, “Dear Ananta, laying all resentment, ‘me, me, me’, attention-seeking, neediness, wanting to be the best, most special, etc. at your feet.”  Very good. Very good.   “I keep picking up this pile of suffering.”

And in knowing this now, you will not pick up. And even if picking up happens, seemingly inadvertently, then it can be thrown away in that moment. No guilt about picking up also. No guilt, no remorse, no regret about anything. Just in that moment, let go of your next thought. We’ve made it so, so simple for all of you. You have no excuse now left to suffer. Only momentarily some suffering can come. But truly, if there is an openness in your heart to follow my words, you have no excuse now to suffer from anything at all.

Ustreamer758, Shrikant says, “I cannot stop Being now. But it is a silent watch. It may give peace, but how to meet the demands of duty? We are driven in the world despite ourselves.”   Yes.

All these are just ideas and thoughts. You see that the person never existed, does not exist here, then who has been doing all this work anyway? This is only a play of Consciousness. God Himself is doing and God Himself is experiencing, and God Himself is pretending to be a person and complaining about all of this. And God Itself is pretending to do this satsang to convince itself that you are not this person. This is the game that we seem to be playing. So, in the game, my job is to tell you to let go of all thoughts, let go of your next thought. Not even all thoughts. Very simple, let go of your next thought. And come to your true realization of Yourself. Then all these juicy thoughts of responsibilities, actions, something to be done, ‘I am doing, I must do this’…, is not true. All is happening by itself. So no ‘doing’ or ‘non-doing’. Both are ‘doing’ actually. The decision to ‘do’ or the decision to ‘not do’ are the same; which presumes that you are the doer. Just be in the state of pure neutrality, and you will see that automatically all has been happening. All has always been happening through the force of Consciousness itself.

Ajnani says, “In deep sleep, who is reporting there was deep sleep? Is that only witnessing reporting? Or after Consciousness is born, is Consciousness realizing and reporting? It seemed to me witnessing is aware of it.”

But yes, what a beautiful question. Who can ask a question like this? Yes. So witnessing is ever present even in the deep sleep state. Awareness does not sleep. Awareness experiences even sleep, that the body was very tired; it went to sleep. Now, not even sense of ‘I am’ would be there. Then the waking up would happen, sense of ‘I am’ would wake up, the world would wake up; all this would be here, realization that I experienced some sleep. Who was the witness to even sleep? It was the same Awareness which witnesses the waking state, is the witness of sleep also. Very beautiful.

Ah, Ustreamer8666 says, “No attributes, no entity.”   Very good.   “Seeing was meant.”   Yes, yes, yes, very good.

Yes and to this seeing, the heaviness of the person does not really matter.

Ajnani says, “Very clear, no person, no ‘I am’ entity, only pure witnessing.”   Very good.

Kapil says, “There is a sense of losing the witnessing to the thoughts in-between. The person also keeps coming back.”

Because you have made witnessing into a practice. You are referring to a particular state. You are referring to where the attention lies. You are talking about the content of attention. So if attention stays at home then it seems to be a special state, but if attention goes to thoughts or to the external, any part of the appearance, then we say the state is lost. The state of witnessing is lost. But we are not talking about the state of attention. We are talking about the witnessing. Who witnesses the thought? Can there be a thought without the witnessing? Can there be a thought without you, without awareness? Name a point of time where Awareness is not there. It cannot be, because first You must be there and then all phenomena can arise within You.

Ustreamer8666 says, “Thank you, thank you, thank you.”   Very welcome, my dear. Very good.

Atma says, “Wonderful explanation, Father. I mean the energy of your <censored> powerful. All is coming from the seeing. Also you and your words are coming out from <censored> . Wonderful is all this.”

Kapil says, “No excuse left to suffer.”  Yes.

We are really far behind on the chat today. Yes, I said that some time ago.  ‘No excuse left to suffer’. Yes.

So let’s catch up quickly. Clare says, “Thank you.”

Ustreamer8666 says, “It is felt there is not even an ‘I’ in ‘I am that’. There is only this, and this is even a word too much.”   Yes, yes, perfect, perfect.

All words are words too much. This can not be spoken of in reality. And yet there is something to the pointing, which seems to have brought our attention back to this reality, isn’t it? Yes. But eventually, that is right, that no words can truly explain.

“Suppose we accept ‘I am not the doer’. If we resign to the present moment, is there no need for self control?”

Yes but who is this ‘I’? Who is this ‘we’ who should accept? Who is this one? Find this one, introduce this one. Don’t hide behind this ‘I’. Don’t believe what this ‘I’ is saying. Expose ‘Who is this one?’ Where does it live, what does it look like? Is it not just a mental idea? Is it not just your own idea about yourself? Who are you referring to when you say ‘I’? That was a theme for satsang today. The simplest question: Who am I?

Don’t let the mind convince you that ‘Oh, I know the answer. ‘I am that’ means nothing. Once you have truly looked, your words will have the perfume of your looking. Your eyes will carry the light of this seeing. So don’t settle for your mind’s answer to this question. Just find it now, who are you now? Who is this ‘I’ who is saying all of this?

Kapil says, “Thank you.”

Ustreamer758 says, “A criminal remains a criminal, a saint remains a saint. All that is pre-set and pre-designed then.”

You don’t worry right now about all of this. You find out now first who you are before you can comment on the others and who they are. First truly find out who you are. Who is this one?

Lucian says, “I cannot stop Being, but a thought creeps in and says ‘But what if I kill the body?’ It is still just a thought from identity with the body, and it can be let go; but just felt to mention this.”

Yes, the mind is a trickster, it will come up with all of this. So in any state. There is nothing special about this body. In one night you could have a million dreams with a million different bodies; which each could seem like a full lifetime. When you go to sleep at night you could have a million dreams with a million lifetimes with a million different bodies, but it is the same Being, which seems to animate those entire universes; the same Being which seems to animate this universe. What is the difference between the sense ‘I am’ in a dream, and this sense ‘I am’ in this waking state? From this Awareness itself, from the pure witnessing itself it comes. All there is this witnessing, this Awareness. Body or no body will also be witnessed by this Awareness. Sleep or no sleep, dream or waking, all there is, is the eternal witnessing of all of this. That is the timeless One. And from within this pure witnessing itself arises this Beingness. So from the pure seeing arises the pure Being, and then all the play can start.

It can be like this, it can be like something else; that is unimportant. But what you can say in the waking state or the dream state is that this Being cannot be stopped. And the ultimate question is the simplest question. The ultimate question, which shows you your own absolute true nature, is the simplest question: ‘Am I aware now? Am I aware now?’ This is Awareness being aware of Awareness itself.

Ustreamer8666 says, “If we name what actually cannot be described, God; God is everything, everything, everything, and has always been. ‘Me’ never was, never did anything, never chose such freedom for whom.”

Yes, yes, names are not relevant. They are at best a pointing, at best a pointing. And yet, in this play it seems to play out in this way, that words are used and words are understood. Actually it is the Guru’s Presence itself which is doing everything. But because the mind has been conditioned with so many words, words here also can be used to remove the prior conditioning. As Bhagavan [Ramana Maharshi] said, we use concepts as thorns to remove other thorns, and then throw both thorns away. We don’t hang onto the newer concepts, we throw even those away. It is just a thorn being used to remove the other thorn, and then both are thrown away.

Atma says, “Thank you, Father. Your compassion is beyond words.”   Thank you.

Cornelia says, “Yesterday I was very sick. And I said that if I did not realize the pain and anxiety it was very good. I wanted only to dissolve into oblivion and feel nothing. I watched the whole drama, but only in total acceptance I was able to dissolve in.”

Yes. Total acceptance means not even a resistance to the pain which is arising. That is total acceptance. And we cannot fake it. We cannot use it as a band aid. So when all resistance is dropped and there is openness to everything, then quickly, quickly it is seen that everything is dissolved. But if we do it as a band aid, or with the sense of expectation that it should get dissolved, then it can persist. Because actually it is not openness, but it is resistance. We don’t want something, therefore we are saying we want it to dissolve. Rather than that, just be ever-open to all that is appearing, with no fear in your heart. We trust in the Guru, just be ever-open to all that is appearing.

Atma says, “Namaste, Anantaji.”   Oh, Atma Edwards, yes. Namaste.

Kapil says, “Witnessing is not a state. That hit something here.”   Very good.

Hit what? I’m just pulling your leg, it’s good.

Jyoti says, “It seems like the question and the answer are not separate. So if the question can arise, the answer can also arise, and they seem to arise in the same instant.”

Yes. The solution and the problem are the same. So if the problem was suffering, then the dissolution of personhood lies in that suffering itself. Yes.

Shrikant says, “So swamiji, is it right to understand that it’s all automatically driven, and to be just surrendered to the present moment, God’s will or whatsoever, and just drop the mind without any plan or improvements?”

Correct, yes. It is good. It is good to have this sense of surrender and to see that this is still moving. Consciousness continues to animate everything. Only the person is now kept out of the picture. Actually it was always only imagined. You can experiment with this, play around with this. I never say just take my words as the gospel truth. I always say ‘Play around with it, experiment with it, see what is your own conclusion from your heart’. Just use these words as pointers and come to your own conclusions. So you say that ‘I will let go of this sense of doership till the next satsang’. And then in the next satsang you can report this is what happened. Yes?

Cornelia says, “Yes Father, no expectation.”   Very good, very good, thank you.

Jayani says, “Body is sick and sleep keeps coming, but still here.”

Yes. it’s okay to sleep when the body is sick. The Presence is enough. Don’t worry about hearing every word, it’s absolutely fine. You can only sleep in the Presence of that which you trust. So it is very good to sleep sometimes.

Ustreamer8666 says, “Heart is burning and pounding, it is extreme.”

I am with you, don’t worry; let it. Let all energetic releases happen as they are meant to. You stay as the witnessing itself. Let all these energies get released. Have no fear, have no expectation. It’s all fine. It will be fine.

Shrikant says, “Definitely you are leading us towards truth. I know for sure.” Very good,

Amaya says, “Thank you, simplest question: Am I aware now?”  Yes.  “And for this satsang.” Very welcome, my dear.

Jyoti says, “Thank you. It is beautiful when you look at us like that.”

Yes. I have been doing that some more since I got this feedback, isn’t it?

Zurim is also here, very good. [He says], “Love you so much Father.”

Ah, Shrikant says, “But I find high conflict with practical, to be honest.”

There is no practical, this is practical. Only the mind creates a difference. It will say ‘Oh, but in the real world I still need to be like this’. This is the real world. We are not talking about something unreal.

This is one of the strongest tricks of the mind. Don’t let it work on you. It says ‘Oh, in satsang there is all peace, in your Presence all is fine, but when I go to the real world…’ That is not the real world. Why do you presume that that is practical, that is more real? What is unreal about this? We are talking about what is here right now. Is that more real, or is the practical world more real? We are talking about what is present. That must be more tangible, more practical than when we are leading the life of an imagined person.

So if you are looking for freedom for the imagined person, that will not be found here. I have no shyness in saying this. If you are looking for freedom for the imagined one, freedom for the mind, that will not be found here. What will be found here is freedom from the idea, from the false idea of ego, from the false idea of being a person. It will be freedom from the mind not freedom for the mind. The mind is saying ‘I want freedom’. This freedom is not for the mind, it is from the mind; because you are not your mind. Just see this. And then you will see what is real, what is practical, and what is unreal.

Amaya says, “Yes, looking at camera is like being at live satsang and so beautiful.” Yes, thank you.

Jayani says, “Thank you Father, love you so much.”   Love you, too.

Lucian says, “I feel that any form of violence is actually an attempt to get rid of the ego, but misplaced.”

Yes, it could be like that. It is that any act which does not seem to be loving. I think this is from a Course in Miracles actually…, and someone who might know this verse better can type it out…, ‘Any act which is not of love is only a cry for love’. Slightly more dualistic than we like to use, but there is something to it, isn’t it? ‘Any act which is not of love is only a call of love or a cry for love’.

Ustreamer758 says, “No, I never said satsang is unreal. I for sure feel it is real.”

Yes, yes, yes. Then know that it is completely practical also. Don’t let your mind confuse you by saying this is practical or impractical. What we speak is, for me, completely practical.

Everyone must find out who they are before they can do anything else. Isn’t that completely practical? Why run around doing so much without knowing who you are? First find out who you are, then you can say that ‘I am doing all of this’. That, for me, sounds like the most practical question actually.

Ustreamer8666 says, “Ananta, your presence is felt from India to Denmark.”  Yes. “Thank you so much. This Presence, this love, is actually melting a lot of energy contractions.”   Yes.

Time and space are born from within this Presence itself. So no space is too much for this Presence. You could be sitting on Jupiter, but if you have an open mind then this Presence will reach you. Actually the Presence is ever-present, it’s only that your attention is with that Presence now. Very good.

Aradhana says, “The real world is here now. All else is just imagination or delusion.” Yes.   “Thank you beloved Gurudeva.”    Very welcome.

Shrikant says, “Only thing, how to balance?”

Who wants to balance now? This is again the mind’s thought, isn’t it? Just try this for the weekend; just let go of all your thoughts. Let go of all your thoughts. On the weekend, no work also, nothing, no responsibility; just let go of all your thoughts, then you see what balance is required.

Ajnani says, “Ananta, after satsang sessions everybody says to me ‘What have you done with yourself? You are very definitely shining, you must have done something?”

Yes, yes. It appears that way, isn’t it? So much glow, so much Presence, so much shine appears even in the physical realm.

Amrita, so much love.

Denan says, “Yes, yes, yes. [Am] here for freedom from the mind.”  Very good, very good.

Cornelia says, “Thank you Anantaji, so, so much.”   Very welcome, my dear.

Shrikant says, “However, thank you very much, Guruji. You are definitely pushing us close to the real Self.”   Yes, very good, very good.

Jyoti says, “Niall has a beautiful song based on a Course in Miracles that says ‘There are only two types of expression in the world, everyone is giving you love or calling out to love’.”

Very good, very good. I would love to hear this. So if you can send us a link we would love to hear this from beloved Niall. Very good.

Rashmi says, “Thank you so much, dear Ananta and sangha.”   Very welcome my dear. Good, good, good.

Shrikant says, “So until we know who we are, we will not know our purpose.”

Yes. It’s like somebody knocks on your door, this person knocks on your door and says ‘Can you show me all your official identification? Can you show me your bank card or (in the US) social security number, some identification?’ So won’t you first ask ‘Who are you?’ so that you understand it’s purpose? Or will you just give your papers to someone if you don’t know who they are? You will not. So their purpose is to get your identification papers, but what is relevant to this is who they are, isn’t it? So before you have a purpose you must be sure about your true identity. Otherwise whose purpose would it be? Just contemplate this. Very good.

Aradhana says, “Beautiful, Jyoti.”   Yes.

Vivi says, “This is all there is. So much love.”   Yes.

Kapil says, “Thank you. Love.”

Lucian says, “Lots of love. Hug you.”   Yes.

Zoe says, “Jyoti. Love.”

Thank you all so very much for joining in satsang today.

[Namaste].  Moojiji ki Jai.

Thank you, thank you all so much. Love you all so much.

Sangha:  Moojiji ki Jai.  Anantaji ki Jai. Thank you. Love you.

Freedom is already here. Freedom is already here. The Self is already here. Liberation is already here. God is already here. When we stay here, there can be no problem actually. We only pretend to create the problem by giving our imagination too much belief. Whatever might be the event of life, whatever might be the occurrence that seems to be appearing, you’re only the Witnessing of it. You are not even the witness of it. You’re only the witnessing of it.

If that is confusing for anyone, we can elaborate. You can just write it, saying that it’s not understood. But I feel that we repeated this so most of you must be understanding this, that there is no witness entity even actually. So even to say that you are the witness would not be very accurate. Because witness would imply that there is a thing which witnessing belongs to. That there is an entity to which the Pure Seeing reports to. But there is no such thing or entity. You are not an object. So the joke is how this Pure Witnessing, Pure Awareness started confusing itself to be this body-mind organism. Namaste…Namaste.

Q: “Can you explain further?”

Yes, yes. So when we say, it is very commonly said actually, and it is useful also in the beginning we say, ‘Just be the witness of all that is appearing.’ Just be the witness of all that is appearing in the external world which is seemingly perceived through our senses. And also of this internal world; the world of thoughts, the world of imagination, memory, emotion. This internal world is also perceived. So we say, ‘Be a witness to all this appearance whether in the external world or in the internal world.’ We say it’s good to start off saying that ‘I am the witness.’

Once this stabilizes a little bit, then we can even ask the question, ‘Is there the witness entity there? Is there a witness thing there? Is there an object who is a witness?’ And you will find that there is no such object. Only the witnessing alone is here. So you were never a noun actually. You were a verb.  This, the mind cannot fathom. This, the mind cannot fathom because it is used to relating you to be an object. And suddenly when you say that you are not a ‘thing’ but you’re just a Pure Witnessing, like a verb. Not even to call it an energy would be accurate, because it is not phenomenal at all.

You’re just the Pure Awareness itself.

The eternal Witnessing to all that appears and disappears. All that happens in our life, this Witnessing is untouched by it. And if you were to look with an open mind, just for a minute, you would see that I am this Awareness itself.

There is no effort needed. No spiritual journey is required. No practice also is required. Because this is the Truth. The Truth does not need effort to become true. Only the false needs to work hard to sustain itself. Only a false idea needs to be constantly nourished by our thoughts and our beliefs, to sustain. But what you truly are is beyond all thought.

So if for some of you this is seeming like a very intellectual discussion, actually know that it is not meant to be intellectual. It is not meant to be intellectual at all. It is only meant to be a simple, simple seeing of what I Truly Am, without relying on any knowledge, any concepts, any words. Can we simply check on what is here?

Namaste everyone, a very warm welcome to satsang today. Moojiji ki Jai.

Thank you all so very much for joining in. Very happy to see all of you here. If this is your first time here the way to ask questions is through the chat window and I’ll presume that the audio and video are fine. Yes, thank you. Namaste. “ Volume here is way up, even on low.” So should I bring it down a little bit? Is it better now? Ustreamer374 says, “Hi Ananta, from London.” Hello. Okay, Namaste. Atma says, “Both are perfect.”

Very warm welcome once again. And let me repeat if this is your first time here the way to ask questions is through the chat window.

Aradhana says, “Hi Ananta, missed a few satsangs, but Here Now ….happy.” Very good.

Ustreamer218 says, “I love you all.” We love you too.

Freedom is already here. Freedom is already here. The Self is already here. Liberation is already here. God is already here. When we stay here, there can be no problem actually. We only pretend to create the problem by giving our imagination too much belief. Whatever might be the event of life, whatever might be the occurrence that seems to be appearing, you’re only the Witnessing of it. You are not even the witness of it. You’re only the witnessing of it.

If that is confusing for anyone, we can elaborate. You can just write it, saying that it’s not understood. But I feel that we repeated this so most of you must be understanding this, that there is no witness entity even actually. So even to say that you are the witness would not be very accurate. Because witness would imply that there is a thing which witnessing belongs to. That there is an entity to which the Pure Seeing reports to. But there is no such thing or entity. You are not an object. So the joke is how this Pure Witnessing, Pure Awareness started confusing itself to be this body-mind organism. Namaste…Namaste.

Ashg1999 says, “Can you explain further?”  Yes, yes.

So when we say, it is very commonly said actually, and it is useful also in the beginning we say, ‘Just be the witness of all that is appearing.’ Just be the witness of all that is appearing in the external world which is seemingly perceived through our senses. And also of this internal world; the world of thoughts, the world of imagination, memory, emotion. This internal world is also perceived. So we say, ‘Be a witness to all this appearance whether in the external world or in the internal world.’ We say it’s good to start off saying that ‘I am the witness.’ And once this stabilizes a little bit, then we can even ask the question, ‘Is there the witness entity there? Is there a witness thing there? Is there an object who is a witness?’ And you will find that there is no such object. Only the witnessing alone is here. So you were never a noun actually. You were a verb.  This, the mind cannot fathom. This, the mind cannot fathom because it is used to relating you to be an object. And suddenly when you say that you are not a ‘thing’ but you’re just a Pure Witnessing, like a verb. Not even to call it an energy would be accurate, because it is not phenomenal at all. You’re just the Pure Awareness itself.

The eternal witnessing to all that appears and disappears. All that happens in our life, this Witnessing is untouched by it. And if you were to look with an open mind, just for a minute, you would see that I am this Awareness itself. There is no effort needed. No spiritual journey is required. No practice also is required. Because this is the Truth. The Truth does not need effort to become true. Only the false needs to work hard to sustain itself. Only a false idea needs to be constantly nourished by our thoughts and our beliefs, to sustain. But what you truly are is beyond all thought.

So if for some of you this is seeming like a very intellectual discussion, actually know that it is not meant to be intellectual. It is not meant to be intellectual at all. It is only meant to be a simple, simple seeing of what I Truly Am, without relying on any knowledge, any concepts, any words. Can we simply check on what is here?

[Ananta’s daughter arrives with a flag] [Whispers] Say Hi to everyone. I’m in the middle of satsang.

Where is Louise? Is she with us? She can completely relate to this situation.

Jyoti says, “Hi Sita.”  Thankfully she’s left. Did I miss something?

Aradhana says, “Independence Day is a week away.” She’s already celebrating, yes. “Rhea seems to have got a head start.”  Yes

Aradhana says, “Dropping the imaginary ghosts and goblins of fear that seemed to have been arising here. Staying here at your feet now.”

Just let go of all the fear. We are only the Untouched One. We are untouched by any phenomena. The appearance cannot harm us in any way. Only our illusions can be attacked and it is Pure Grace if it is attacked because in that way, with that suffering, these illusions are let go of. No fear required at all.

Ustreamer218 says, “Yes, yes, yes.”

Atma says, “I am a verb, yes so beautiful is this; I am a verb really.”

And that was when my daughter came in. Thank you all. Thank you so much.

Ustreamer374 says, “Your daughter is very lovely and you are very understanding.”

We’re used to this by now, all of us.

Rashmi says, “So nice to see you with your kids always.”

Zoe says, “Beautiful.”

This is reminding me of a funny story actually. So we were having a meeting amongst the Sangha volunteers in Bangalore and we were talking about some things. We were just fooling around and just chatting and I was saying that maybe it’ll be good if we don’t serve food and other distractions in the satsang space. And then this funny joke came saying that…so I said that the next Buddha was going to be born but we distracted him with a Samoosa. I don’t know if all of you know what a Samoosa is but it’s an Indian snack. So I joked and said that the next Buddha was being born but we distracted him with the Samoosa. Same way…the next Buddha was being born here and my daughter came in with a flag. I’m just kidding.

Rashmi says, “Finding it hard to pay attention today…kids with their homework.”

Okay, I really struggle with this chat now because it jumps so much.

Sindhu says, “At the exact time my mum came in to get my attention. Mum’s like my daughter.”

Zoe says, “Hehe Father! Samoosa!”

Atma says, “Untouched by any phenomenon. Happy for this recognition.”

Yes, untouched by Samoosa also. I don’t know where these jokes are coming from. ‘Untouched by any phenomena. Happy for this recognition’. Very good. So all can appear and disappear but the witnessing remains untouched.

Amaya says, “Big smile came when Sita came in with the flag from behind you.” Yes, I didn’t even notice.

Atma says, True, Samoosa.”

So for the first-timers, we’re not usually so crazy. We’re quite crazy but we’re not talking about Samoosa all the time.

Aradhana says, “Love the Buddha and Samoosa story.”

Dorthe says, “When a Buddha is born, can anything stop that?”

No.. no. We’re just…, when we talk about the practical things, it’s to emphasize some points we have to make jokes like this.

Rashmi says, “Hungry now.”

Amaya says, “You just said it was a joke a minute ago. This play of Leela…”

Ustreamer969, so much love. Shanti, so much love.

Good. So does anyone have a burning question?

What is the freedom that we are looking for? What is absent in this moment right now?

Jyoti says, “No, but I can tell you a story.”  Yes, of course. Louise, big hug. Okay so we have a question.

Ustreamer374 says, “How about, how to drop the next thought?” We can look at this…

Aradhana says, “Today’s satsang theme is fun and laughter”

Ustreamer374 says, “A reminder.”

So very simple pointing. And although the pointing is very simple I would say it is not a trivial instruction. Sometimes what the mind does is, it sees if something is too simple it says that ‘it is trivial’. It cannot be useful because it is so simple. That’s the mind’s interpretation, isn’t it? But in this simple instruction lies the end of all suffering. The end of all suffering. And this is what all of us want, isn’t it? The great Sages, the Buddha himself wanted the end of suffering. And all his Sadhana, all his exploration was about how to come to the end of suffering. And all the sages came to this same conclusion.

And the conclusion is that the problem or the suffering does not lie in the world, or in the appearances which are appearing. The problem only lies in the belief in the interpreter. Belief in the thoughts about the world…belief in the thoughts about the appearance. This is the only cause of suffering. So first let’s be completely clear about this. We cannot suffer without belief in a thought. Therefore drop the idea that the world is making us suffer or our relationships are making us suffer or our bodies are making us suffer. The world is completely innocent. Our bodies are completely innocent. The only thing that makes us suffer, seemingly suffer, is our belief in our thoughts.

So let’s be completely clear about this first. So then the simple instruction is, ‘Let go of your next thought’. We don’t even say, ‘Let go of All your thoughts’, because that seems too intimidating sometimes, isn’t it? [with serious voice]  ‘So now I must become very serious. Now I must refuse All thoughts’. So we made it even simpler. We said, ‘In the moment, just let go of your next thought’. What does ‘Let go mean’? Let go does not mean that “Don’t let thoughts come’. That seems like a very effortful practice and only very accomplished Yogis can achieve such a feat, if at all.

So it does not mean stop thoughts from coming. It only means, let the thought come un-resisted, but you do not engage with it. Your attention might also go to it because that is the nature of attention. So even if your attention goes to it, it is all right. But you will find that, just even with attention the thought does not have the potential to make you suffer. It is only when we enter the pin number…we joke and say the pin number, which is the Personal Identification Number. That means we give this thought our belief. We say that this is ‘my’ thought. It has meaning for ‘me’. And the instant we assign it some meaning then we are caught in the potential for suffering. Because a thought means it is something needy. It is something attacking or defending. It is something which is referring to you as an individual person who never existed actually. This person never existed actually. It is only a figment of our imagination. It is only a conjured up creation as a result of belief in thoughts itself.

So to let go means to divest it from our belief., to divest it of our belief and it’s allowed to just go. So like a cloud in the sky it is allowed to come and go. The sky is unconcerned whether the cloud is white, grey; whether it’s going to rain or not. Is the sky concerned? So you are the vast space in which these clouds are appearing. You stay unconcerned with how these clouds are and let them go. So without belief in the thought then show me how you can suffer. You will find that it is impossible to suffer.

That is why we say that the simplest way to come to the end of suffering is to let go of your next thought. In fact it is the only way. All paths only seem to be a preparation to come to this point. All paths are only a preparation for us to come to this point of letting go of our next thought. But there is no path, no true path, which can say that you continue to  believe your thoughts and suffering will stop. No path can say this because belief in the false identity equals suffering. So if you want to be free from suffering, it’s very, very simple, just let go of your next thought. I hope it’s clearer now?

Okay Jyoti has a story which we will read. Okay before the story there was another, some more input on the chat. So let’s read that.

Ckriegel (I’m not sure I’m pronouncing this right) says, “ Nowadays, I find it hard not to follow the addiction of thinking, activity energy. Really crazy scenarios and hard not to follow them. Generally I just notice it after awhile.”

If we refer to the past, and if we worry about the future, then our testimonies will be like this. Therefore we say that freedom is now. So now, right now it is possible for you to let go of any thought which comes, isn’t it? You’ll see that it’s possible right now. So now you drop it. And now don’t pick up anything. Now don’t pick up anything. But there will be points…there will be times where you’ve found that you already picked something up. It’s very simple. There will be times, in spite of saying I will never pick up, you will find yourself in the midst of already having picked up something.

So the thought could be that I want to go to Antarctica and you picked it up. In that moment when you realized that you picked it up…in that moment you will let go of it. It is that simple, and freedom is here. The only problem with this approach is the mind will say it is too simple. You have to not believe this thought. It is the laziest person’s way to Enlightenment. Just let go of your next thought. Wherever you find yourself just let go of your next thought. It is that simple.

Amrit says, “Yes”

Rashmi says, “So much fun.”

Jyoti says, “All my stories seem to come in dreams.”

Zoe says, “Father, I would like to share something. A great resistance came up today. And a sadness. And a resistance to the sadness. Wanting to look for a distraction.”

And you were untouched by all of this, isn’t it? You know this now, isn’t it? No matter what came, some thoughts came, some emotions came, some heaviness came, but you were just the untouched witnessing of all of this, isn’t it? So don’t say, “This should not happen and that should not come.” Between these ‘shoulds’ and ‘should nots’…, that is the true distraction actually. Because we are setting conditions for our freedom. We are saying freedom means some states should not come and only some states are allowed to come. It is not true.

Freedom means freedom for all states to come, but you are resting unconcerned by any state. That is true freedom. Freedom does not mean that we are fearful of some states. Then that would be a very shaky freedom, isn’t it? It would be freedom only as long as some states are lasting. Yes?

So the power that has been given to you now, the power of your own Seeing, is that any state can emerge but you are unconcerned. There is truly, truly no fear here about any state arising. All states are welcome. And you will see this to be true about yourself. There is no fear here about any state arising, it could be the most angry state or the most depressed state, any state is welcome to arise. But I will only be the witnessing of it. Nothing can make me the person who is fighting with such a state. I can only imagine myself to be that. But here, the imagining has stopped.

Atma says, “I love it, today’s satsang.” Yes.

Ok, so Jyoti’s story starts. She says, “Once upon a time I had a dream where I knew I was dreaming. So it occurred to me to prove it to myself. So I said ok I am dreaming so I cannot die.” Yes.

Zoe said, “But no sadness here now.” Very good.

So she said, Jyoti had said, “I am dreaming so I cannot die.” Then she says, “So, there was a road with cars going up and down. So I decided to jump in front of a car to prove to myself that I could not die. One car came and flew by and I didn’t jump. Then another car came and this time I jumped in front of it. It was quite joyous because all of a sudden I was back on the side of the road. Not dead of course, and still wide awake within the dream.  Then I saw a fire across the street and it was suggested within me that I jump into the fire. I said yes and went toward to fire. I then came into the waking state. But maybe this fire was a visual symbol for this fire of satsang.”  Very good.

Jyoti said, “Something you said just reminded me of this. Thank you for suggesting I jump in this fire.”  Very good.

Yes, often there is lucid dreaming here also and usually what happens is to get out of those dreams, if there is a sense that it is not being enjoyed. I usually find a high place and jump. [Laughs.] And in the dream before the landing happens the waking state is already here.

So I’m not suggesting this to anyone, not suggesting this to anyone at all. Because you will put two and two together somewhere and say Ananta said this life is also a dream so I’m not enjoying this dream so let me find a high place and jump. [Laughs].

So would not want you to do that although ultimately nothing would be touched even in that experience. But we are enjoying each other too much in this way to want to end any of this leela, or play.

Atma says, “Father, today, now is a special moment. Now I know, not only thinking about it but I know I am untouched by anybody. Also untouched by any feelings, by anything. I know it, Father. Thank you.”  Very beautiful.

That is the power of satsang. That is the power of the Avadhuta Gita which you read earlier in the day. Just one line from such a beautiful scripture, just one line of the Satguru’s words openly heard, can demolish the concept of personhood. And you will find that no intellectual understanding compares with the true seeing of what you are. Yes, very good.

Ustreamer374 says, “Thank you very much.”  Very welcome.

CKriegel says, “Thank you.”  Very welcome.

Jyoti says, “Haha, that’s funny. But just kept falling for what seemed like a long time. But of course I woke up eventually.”

Zoe says, “Yes, yes, too much peace, too much joy, to end this.”   Yes, yes.

Whatever can end is not real anyway, isn’t it? Peace, joy, love, are in service to my true self. They are in service to me. But once we pick up the idea of being a person and decide to chase this happiness, this same happiness, this very joy, this peace which is here now this one seems so elusive, isn’t it? Wearing a person’s clothes, all of this runs from us. In the naked reality of our true Self, all of this is in service to us. Love is in service to Me. I am not in service to love.

Alma says, “Yes, Father, those Satguru’s words. What a magic.”  Exactly.

Kapil says, “Can you please say something about witnessing itself. Witness what? Is it a doing? Or just witness witnessing? The internet is slow, might not reply to your question in time if any.”

Yes. His question is ‘Can you please say something about the witnessing itself?’ [Laughs] That’s the trouble isn’t it? Because this one, you cannot say anything about. At best you can point to it. All words spoken about it are not precise. They are not true; they are at best a pointing to it. So to say ‘Awareness’, or to say ‘a pure Seeing’ or ‘a pure Witnessing’ are the words which come close in the form of a pointing. But to find it for yourself rather than to explain it in words is the real thing.

So we can ask a very simple question, asking: Are you aware now?

I want to give you a taste of your own true Self rather than keep explaining the taste to you. I can keep talking about a great chocolate, a great Belgian chocolate which I had. I can either keep describing that it was like this, it tasted like this, this was the wrapping, this is what it looks like, or say ‘Here, why don’t you have it? It’s available right here’. You would prefer to try it, isn’t it? What is the way to try it? Just the simple question: Am I aware now?

And you will see that it is Awareness itself that knows about awareness.

This Awareness knowing awareness, Awareness being aware of awareness.

I know to the mind it will seem slippery initially, but stay with this question. And if you want, I can give you a simpler version. If the question was too slippery, let me know and I can attempt to give you a simpler version, a less abstract version. But if this question takes a hold in your heart: Am I aware now? then you will see that the one who is aware now is not a person,  is not an idea, is not an imagined entity.

It is Awareness itself which is aware.

It is not a body which is aware.

It is not our senses which are aware.

Am I aware now?

What knows this?

What knows this?

[Laughs]  Dorthe says, “I also jumped off a huge cliff in a lucid dream: what happened then is that I fly like an eagle.”   Yes. Very joyful.”

And the rest of you should not get any expectations like why does everyone else seem to have lucid dreams but not me, doe that mean I have not understood something, does that mean I am not as accomplished. It has nothing to do with your true nature. They are all just games in the leela, all just games of maya. It is the same consciousness which is projecting itself in this so-called waking state, it is the same consciousness in the dream state, it is all the projection of the same being itself. For any world to exist, first you must exist as being. And in the light of your own being, the world comes into play.

Atma is enjoying the chocolate. [Smiling.] Today is a fun satsang, eh?

I don’t want any of you to go to Amazon.com and buy books on lucid dreaming.  First be completely clear about who you are and then let everything unfold as it is meant to.

[Laughs] Jtoyi says, “I am so suggestible it seems like I ate some chocolate after you said that.” Yeah, I wouldn’t mind some Belgian chocolate right now, actually.

It’s very good, very good we can have a satsang like this, full of so much joy and laughter. Cause sometimes we make it too serious, isn’t it? We make it too serious: “I must get to freedom!” This ‘I’ is fake, this I that says, “I must get to Freedom” is fake.

Ustreamer374 says, “Please pass the chocolate thought around.” [Laughs.] Yes. It’s already infecting all of you, no, the chocolate thought. Now it has already become a desire because you believe the thought of Belgian chocolate , you must have it, it has already become a desire.

Jayani says, “Father, lots being burped up today, especially physically. The body is giving some trouble I give it all to you.”   Very welcome to give all of this to me. Very good, very good.

Prema says, “I can send you some very good Swiss chocolate!”  Oh, so sweet, no, no,  I am just joking, don’t worry.

Ustreamer540 says, “This satsang is creating uncontrollable smiling in me.”  Yes, same same.

Jyoti says, “There is chocolate favorite milk her in Ireland called Mooju”   Yes, yes. And is South East Asia there are also these stores, chocolate stores, maybe they are Japanese chocolate stores called Mugi, M. U. G. I.

Padmashreeramananda says, (sorry I’m having difficulty pronouncing your name), Padmashreeramananda says, “Hi Ananta, I have a question please.” Yes. “I always get a very clear message before any accidents or illness I am going to have. Is this because Consciousness is giving me the opportunity to protect the body?”

So let’s look at what is happening. There is a pure Awareness which is here in all states including the deep sleep state. Pure Awareness is here. Pure Seeing is here. Then for some unexplained reason, (although you can put lots of theories to it), for some unexplained reason the sense of Beingness, the sense I Am takes birth in this pure Awareness.

So we say that Consciousness is now born.  And in the light of this Consciousness comes the so-called waking state or the dream states.

But this Consciousness is the one doer and the one experiencer.  Like in India we say ‘thom katar, thom botar’ which means You are the doer and You are the experiencer, and we are addressing the God or the guru. We can say ‘thom katar, thom botar’ which means Consciousness is the one doer and one experiencer.

And this Consciousness can play in a myriad of ways.  Every play, every expression of this consciousness is unique. So in all the six and a half billion or seven billion so-called human beings in the world, every one is a unique expression. And their bodies are different, the way their mind works is different, everything is a unique expression. Even every leaf is unique compares to another leaf. So it seems to be a play of unique expressions. But the one doer is running all of this. He is making all the hearts beat, all the planets move, all the flow of gravity, electricity, all these primal forces are running, running.

Some beings, again for some unexplained reason, also some sadhana, yogic siddhis, whatever, get access to what seems like the future. They get access to this kind of intuitive energy or the ability to foretell things.

But the fact of the matter is that it is not helpful in our discovery of who we are to focus too much on these. Because usually what has happened is that we get attached to these kind of siddhis or these kind of experiences. And again we perpetuate the belief in the personhood which now seems to carry these energetic strengths as well.

So first come to the point of true self–discovery, find out that you are the witnessing of all of this and completely untouched by any of these events; be it a future illness, be it a future accident, you are in reality completely untouched by all of this. And then you will see that there is no decision-maker person there anyway. The person was always a figment of our imagination.

So Consciousness itself is doing, Consciousness is playing in this way of foretelling the future and Consciousness itself is pretending to be a decision-maker, pretending to make a change in the decision or keep the decision the same.

So you keep the imagined person out of this equation and moment to moment let life unfold in exactly the way it is meant to. It is already this way, actually. Already it is happening only in this way. Because the person is just conjured up, it is only a figment of our imagination.

So don’t decide that ‘Now I must treat my intuition in this way, this is what I must do’ because again it is perpetuating the ‘I’ idea. This ‘I’, you are not.

So just what you do is let go of all thoughts. Let go of all thoughts and let life unfold moment to moment. Let God, or guru if you believe in guru, guide your every step, guide your every action. Consciousness itself is doing all of this.

I hope I explained your question. It’s good to see you in satsang. You’re very welcome here.

Atma says, “Yes Father.”

Zoe says, “So happy Father, I know I am Home.”  Very good. Yes, you are. Yes you are, my child.  “That I am the Home itself.”  Yes.  “And any little bits of mind-nonsense are floating away effortlessly.”  Very good. [Smiles.]

Louise says, “Sorry, Ustreamer, I ate it all.”   [Laughs.] Cheeky, cheeky.

Amaya says, “Can Witnessing also be called Experiencing? Aware of perceptions of all senses equals witnessing?”

Aware of everything, perception of the senses as well as the internal witnessing which is beyond our senses, isn’t it? We don’t use our senses to perceive a thought, we don’t use our senses to perceive a memory, we don’t use our senses to perceive our emotions. But the perceiving is the same, or the witnessing or the experiencing is the same, yes. The words can be used interchangeably. In fact none of the words fully capture the essence of what we are. But we have to keep using these words, isn’t it? So yes, experiencing also can be used.

Atma says, “So clearly and beautifully explained, Father.”   Thank you.

Padmashreeramananda says, “Thanks! I witnessed my accident and broke my ankle and had my awakening!”

Yes. All is Grace.  All that appears to be suffering, in the root of the suffering, as a fruit of the suffering actually you will find the realization of the Self. Therefore we must not resist any suffering which is coming. Because suffering is Grace which slaps us out of our mis-identification with personhood and brings us to our realization of our own Self. It’s the mechanics with which Consciousness comes back to the realization that it is Consciousness itself.

Ian says, “Much love, Ananta.”   Much love, Ian. [Smiles.] Good.

Amaya says, “See experiencing happens within witnessing… mostly asleep here (body is).”   Yes. Please get your rest, beloved one.

The experiencing through our senses is also witnessed, isn’t it? There’s a witnessing that this experiencing is happening, that’s what she’s saying. Yes. It’s very true.

Thank you, thank you… the thank you’s are coming, that means it is time to leave. Thank you all so very much for joining us in satsang today. Moojiji ki jai!

Jayani says, “I am untouched by these strong physical energies, they cannot affect this.” Very good. Just say that they are Ananta’s problems now. Hand them over to me.

[Ananta’s son peeks from behind his shoulder.]

Thank you. Om Namah Shivayah.

Thank you so much everyone. [Reads chat.] My son is behind me. [Turns to look.] He says, “Whassup?” [Laughs.]  Children’s day today in satsang, no? Thank you.

Sangha:  Moojiji ki Jai !  Anantaji ki Jai !  Thank you. Love you.

Q: “Hi Ananta, I have a question please. I always get a very clear message before any accidents or illness I am going to have. Is this because Consciousness is giving me the opportunity to protect the body?”

So let’s look at what is happening. There is a pure Awareness which is here in all states including the deep sleep state. Pure Awareness is here. Pure Seeing is here. Then for some unexplained reason, (although you can put lots of theories to it), for some unexplained reason the sense of Beingness, the sense I Am takes birth in this pure Awareness.

So we say that Consciousness is now born.  And in the light of this Consciousness comes the so-called waking state or the dream states.

But this Consciousness is the one doer and the one experiencer.  Like in India we say ‘thom katar, thom botar’ which means You are the doer and You are the experiencer, and we are addressing the God or the guru. We can say ‘thom katar, thom botar’ which means Consciousness is the one doer and one experiencer.

And this Consciousness can play in a myriad of ways.  Every play, every expression of this consciousness is unique. So in all the six and a half billion or seven billion so-called human beings in the world, every one is a unique expression. And their bodies are different, the way their mind works is different, everything is a unique expression. Even every leaf is unique compares to another leaf. So it seems to be a play of unique expressions. But the one doer is running all of this. He is making all the hearts beat, all the planets move, all the flow of gravity, electricity, all these primal forces are running, running.

Some Beings, again for some unexplained reason, also some sadhana, yogic siddhis, whatever, get access to what seems like the future. They get access to this kind of intuitive energy or the ability to foretell things.

But the fact of the matter is that it is not helpful in our discovery of who we are to focus too much on these. Because usually what has happened is that we get attached to these kind of siddhis or these kind of experiences. And again we perpetuate the belief in the personhood which now seems to carry these energetic strengths as well.

So first come to the point of true self–discovery, find out that you are the witnessing of all of this and completely untouched by any of these events; be it a future illness, be it a future accident, you are in reality completely untouched by all of this. And then you will see that there is no decision-maker person there anyway. The person was always a figment of our imagination.

So Consciousness itself is doing, Consciousness is playing in this way of foretelling the future and Consciousness itself is pretending to be a decision-maker, pretending to make a change in the decision or keep the decision the same.

So you keep the imagined person out of this equation and moment to moment let life unfold in exactly the way it is meant to. It is already this way, actually. Already it is happening only in this way. Because the person is just conjured up, it is only a figment of our imagination.

So don’t decide that ‘Now I must treat my intuition in this way, this is what I must do’ because again it is perpetuating the ‘I’ idea. This ‘I’, you are not.

So just what you do is let go of all thoughts. Let go of all thoughts and let life unfold moment to moment. Let God, or guru if you believe in guru, guide your every step, guide your every action.

Consciousness Itself is doing all of this.

[During satsang broadcast, Ananta’s daughter came into the room carrying a flag, and was seen on the inter-active video broadcast.]

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This is reminding me of a funny story actually. We were having a meeting amongst the Sangha volunteers in Bangalore and we were talking about some things. We were just fooling around and just chatting; and I was saying that maybe it’ll be good if we don’t serve food and other distractions in the satsang space.

And then this funny joke came; I said that ‘The next Buddha was going to be born but we distracted him with a Samosa’. [Laughs]

I don’t know if all of you know what a Samsosa is but it’s an Indian snack. So I joked and said that ‘The next Buddha was being born but we distracted him with the Samosa’.

Same way; the next Buddha was being born here and my daughter came in with a flag.

I’m just kidding. [Laughs]

Q: “Father, I would like to share something. A great resistance came up today. And a sadness. And a resistance to the sadness. Wanting to look for a distraction.”

And you were untouched by all of this, isn’t it? You know this now, isn’t it? No matter what came, some thoughts came, some emotions came, some heaviness came, but you were just the untouched witnessing of all of this, isn’t it?

So don’t say ‘This should not happen and that should not come’. Between these ‘shoulds’ and ‘should nots’…, that is the true distraction actually. Because we are setting conditions for our freedom. We are saying freedom means some states should not come and only some states are allowed to come. It is not true.

Freedom means freedom for all states to come, but you are resting unconcerned by any state. That is true freedom.

Freedom does not mean that we are fearful of some states. Then that would be a very shaky freedom, isn’t it? It would be freedom only as long as some states are lasting. Yes?

So the power that has been given to you now, the power of your own Seeing, is that any state can emerge but you are unconcerned.

There is truly, truly no fear here about any state arising. All states are welcome. And you will see this to be true about yourself.

There is no fear here about any state arising, it could be the most angry state or the most depressed state; any state is welcome to arise. But I will only be the witnessing of it. Nothing can make me the person who is fighting with such a state. I can only imagine myself to be that. But here, the imagining has stopped.

Q: “How to drop the next thought?”

We can look at this. So very simple pointing. And although the pointing is very simple I would say it is not a trivial instruction. Sometimes what the mind does is, it sees if something is too simple it says that ‘it is trivial’. It cannot be useful because it is so simple. That’s the mind’s interpretation, isn’t it? But in this simple instruction lies the end of all suffering. The end of all suffering. And this is what all of us want, isn’t it? The great Sages, the Buddha himself wanted the end of suffering. And all his Sadhana, all his exploration was about how to come to the end of suffering. And all the sages came to this same conclusion.

And the conclusion is that the problem or the suffering does not lie in the world, or in the appearances which are appearing. The problem only lies in the belief in the interpreter. Belief in the thoughts about the world…belief in the thoughts about the appearance. This is the only cause of suffering. So first let’s be completely clear about this. We cannot suffer without belief in a thought. Therefore drop the idea that the world is making us suffer or our relationships are making us suffer or our bodies are making us suffer. The world is completely innocent. Our bodies are completely innocent. The only thing that makes us suffer, seemingly suffer, is our belief in our thoughts.

So let’s be completely clear about this first. So then the simple instruction is, ‘Let go of your next thought’. We don’t even say, ‘Let go of All your thoughts’, because that seems too intimidating sometimes, isn’t it? [with serious voice]  ‘So now I must become very serious. Now I must refuse All thoughts’. So we made it even simpler. We said, ‘In the moment, just let go of your next thought’. What does ‘Let go mean’? Let go does not mean that “Don’t let thoughts come’. That seems like a very effortful practice and only very accomplished Yogis can achieve such a feat, if at all.

So it does not mean stop thoughts from coming. It only means, let the thought come unresisted, but you do not engage with it. Your attention might also go to it because that is the nature of attention. So even if your attention goes to it, it is all right. But you will find that, just even with attention the thought does not have the potential to make you suffer. It is only when we enter the pin number…we joke and say the pin number, which is the Personal Identification Number. That means we give this thought our belief. We say that this is ‘my’ thought. It has meaning for ‘me’. And the instant we assign it some meaning then we are caught in the potential for suffering. Because a thought means it is something needy. It is something attacking or defending. It is something which is referring to you as an individual person who never existed actually. This person never existed actually. It is only a figment of our imagination. It is only a conjured up creation as a result of belief in thoughts itself.

So to let go means to divest it from our belief., to divest it of our belief and it’s allowed to just go. So like a cloud in the sky it is allowed to come and go. The sky is unconcerned whether the cloud is white, grey; whether it’s going to rain or not. Is the sky concerned? So you are the vast space in which these clouds are appearing. You stay unconcerned with how these clouds are and let them go. So without belief in the thought then show me how you can suffer. You will find that it is impossible to suffer.

That is why we say that the simplest way to come to the end of suffering is to let go of your next thought. In fact it is the only way. All paths only seem to be a preparation to come to this point. All paths are only a preparation for us to come to this point of letting go of our next thought. But there is no path, no true path, which can say that you continue to  believe your thoughts and suffering will stop. No path can say this because belief in the false identity equals suffering. So if you want to be free from suffering, it’s very, very simple, just let go of your next thought. I hope it’s clearer now?

Q: “Can you please say something about witnessing itself. Witness what? Is it a doing? Or just witness witnessing? The internet is slow, might not reply to your question in time if any.”

Yes. His question is ‘Can you please say something about the witnessing itself?’ [Laughs] That’s the trouble isn’t it? Because this one, you cannot say anything about. At best you can point to it. All words spoken about it are not precise. They are not true; they are at best a pointing to it. So to say ‘Awareness’, or to say ‘a pure Seeing’ or ‘a pure Witnessing’ are the words which come close in the form of a pointing. But to find it for yourself rather than to explain it in words is the real thing.

So we can ask a very simple question, asking: Are you aware now?

I want to give you a taste of your own true Self rather than keep explaining the taste to you. I can keep talking about a great chocolate, a great Belgian chocolate which I had. I can either keep describing that it was like this, it tasted like this, this was the wrapping, this is what it looks like, or say ‘Here, why don’t you have it? It’s available right here’. You would prefer to try it, isn’t it? What is the way to try it? Just the simple question: Am I aware now?

And you will see that it is Awareness itself that knows about awareness.

This Awareness knowing awareness, Awareness being aware of awareness.

I know to the mind it will seem slippery initially, but stay with this question. And if you want, I can give you a simpler version. If the question was too slippery, let me know and I can attempt to give you a simpler version, a less abstract version. But if this question takes a hold in your heart: Am I aware now? then you will see that the one who is aware now is not a person,  is not an idea, is not an imagined entity.

It is Awareness itself which is aware.

It is not a body which is aware.

It is not our senses which are aware.

Am I aware now?

What knows this?

What knows this?

Q: “Anantaji, who is the witness? How to witness without involving? It is so difficult in family matters.”

Very good. So once you explore this…, that’s why we say in the first stage, it is good to see, good to be the witness. Good to be the witness, to watch everything from a distance. No?

And then you will ask ‘Who is this witness?’ Or I will ask ‘Who is this witness?’ And you will see that there is no witness entity at all.

All that is here is the Witnessing itself. You were never an entity, you were never a thing, you were not even the witness. You are the pure Witnessing itself.

But initially I use the term ‘witness’ because this becomes the too-strong ‘medicine’ right in the first visit to the ‘doctor’. So initially I say ‘Be the witness’. But after there’s some distance between you and the appearance, then it can be asked ‘Who is the witness?’ And the answer is that there is no entity called ‘the witness’. All there is, is a sense of witnessing itself.

Awareness is not a thing. It is not an entity. It is only the Witnessing. And once you see this, then the second part of your question is automatically answered: ‘How to witness without involving? It’s so difficult in family matters’.

No, actually you cannot stop witnessing; cannot stop witnessing. If I were to say ‘Stop witnessing now’ would you be able to do it?  No. The witnessing is ever-present. What is true is ever-present. In the waking state, you cannot stop being.

That means the Presence of Consciousness or God is here always; and in all states there is pure witnessing. In deep sleep there is no object to be witnessed, yet the potential to witness is there.

The Witnessing is still present. So you cannot turn it off actually.

What you are trying to switch on, you can never actually switch off. What you are trying to become, you can never actually not be that.

You can never not be the Witnessing. You are always that alone. You can never become the person. Can you become a person and show me, any of you?

Q: “Something is so scared now, for putting this question…”

Yes. This one can be let go of now. Let it be released. This is not you. This is also being witnessed. The one that is scared is also being witnessed. It is not You.

Another Q: “Thank you. From feeling of crying changing into feeling of smiling.”

Yes. This can happen like this, crying, smiling, all together; all emotions coming up and getting released. It is very much possible.

Q: “Father, this thought keeps coming which says ‘Consciousness is doing all of this so what is the point?’ It brings great sadness about being this expression and having no control about that.”

You are not just a mere point within Consciousness.

Only the person idea can pretend to be this mere point of Consciousness.

You are that great One, the Supreme One within which Consciousness itself is born.

So Consciousness is at your service.

You are not a mere toenail of Consciousness.

The instant you identify and say ‘I’m just a mere person, and Consciousness is doing everything’ then these type of thoughts will come.

But once you see that you are the witnessing itself, the Awareness within which the Being is born…, Being cannot be born on it’s own.

You are born on Your own.

Being is born from You.

So who is the Supreme One?

You are the Supreme One.

Therefore Consciousness itself is in service to You.

It is in service for Your entertainment, for Your joy.

So this one which is saying that ‘I am just a mere speck in Consciousness’ is not true.

In fact, that is all that we are saying in satsang, that ‘You are the Supreme One. You are the One in which even God takes birth’.

We are never saying that ‘You are just this imagined entity’.

We are saying: ‘Let go of the imagined entity so that you see the truth for yourself. Consciousness is in control of this movie for your entertainment. You’re not a mere character in the movie’.

So let go of this one that is saying ‘I have no control here’.

You-as-Consciousness are controlling this entire appearance.

All phenomenon You are deciding, but not from a personal space.

No person can ever become Consciousness.

No person can ever be aware, because it is only imagined.

That’s the point, isn’t it?

Namaste everyone. A very warm welcome to satsang today. Moojiji ki Jai.

[Namaste]. Thank you all very much for joining in. And if this is your first time here, the way to ask questions is through the chat window. And I’ll presume that the video and audio are fine, unless I hear otherwise. Alright, Namaste, Namaste. Very good. If this is your first time here, remember that there is a lag between the chat and the video, so the video will be one minute behind the chat usually. Welcome, welcome, welcome.

There is a question already from Ustreamer739. They say, “Hello. Can you explain the difference between belief and trust? Thank you.”

Very interesting. So let’s look at this. Let’s introspect together, and see what are the conclusions that we all can draw. So when there’s only awareness, and attention is resting just with awareness, then the concept of belief does not even exist. Now, with the birth of the sense ‘I am’ or the birth of Beingness itself, along with the birth of the phenomenal universe, there is also the birth of these forces called ‘attention’ and ‘belief’. You see this? In deep sleep, there is no attention and there is no belief. But with the birth of Consciousness itself, the forces of attention, belief, identity…, all these forces come into play. And very few Beings have actually explored these, because they are always taken for granted. But each of them have some qualitative differences.

So based on your question, let’s look at belief first. What is belief? The thought could come, and first our attention goes to it. Without our attention, there is no belief possible, isn’t it? First it has to come to our attention. Whatever is believed, first the power of attention must go to it. But just because attention is going to it doesn’t mean that it is automatically believed. So the thought could be the thought about becoming an astronaut; and attention is going that there is thought about becoming an astronaut. Now, to give it belief means to say ‘yes’ to it, isn’t it? …to say that ‘This is about me’, to say ‘Yes, I must become an astronaut’. To give it belief also means the opposite, which means that we say that ‘I must never become an astronaut’. So, there’s an aversion to the content of this thought, that ‘This should not happen’. So, this is fear; you know, resistance.

But let’s look at it simply right now. Let’s say the thought was about becoming an astronaut. Just by giving attention to it doesn’t make it about me, or doesn’t make it seem true. There seems to be the power…, after the power of attention, there’s another power to give something our belief. When we say ‘Yes, I must become an astronaut’ that is when we have given it our identification, we’ve given it our acceptance, or we’ve given it our belief. It can be said like that. So, that is belief. It is a primal force that is born along with the birth of Consciousness itself; that we have the power to say ‘Yes, this is true’ or ‘This is for me’ or ‘This I accept’. That is about belief.

Now, what is the second part? It was about trust. So trust actually means that we have followed something over some period of time, and it seemed to have helped us. For example, if you come to satsang and you hear just this phrase: ‘Let go of your next thought’ and you follow this for a while. So, first there is a belief that is given to this. So, the words are arising from here [indicated himself] and then there is a belief given to the words arising from here, saying ‘Yes. This I accept’ or ‘This must be true’. And then when we try them out, and say ‘Okay, let go of my next thought; let go of my next thought’…, it’s tried over a period of time, and it leads to a presence of peace, joy, happiness; makes us feel better, less stressed out. Then we say ‘Yes. I trust Ananta because I followed what he had to say, and it worked’.

It could also be that the initial belief was there that ‘Yes, I will listen to the instruction’ but something goes wrong, or it’s followed in a different way, or it just doesn’t work. So if the belief was there around the phrase ‘Let go of your next thought’ and it just becomes a very frustrating experience, just leads to a lot of frustration and anger and resentment, then we can say that trust was not developed. Although there was some initial belief because of some strong resistances which came up that ‘The instruction didn’t work or didn’t help, hence I don’t trust Ananta’.

So this would be the difference between belief and trust. I hope it’s a little clear. And if there’s still some more doubt, then you can ask some more, and we can look at it.

Okay, let me scroll down [through chat window]. Namaste, everyone. Very good. Namaste.

Rashmi says, “There is still some confusion about actions following thoughts.”

So, what is the confusion about? Is it that you feel actions follow thoughts? Or is it you feel that ‘How could it be that action follows thoughts?’ Which way is the confusion tending? If you can just clarify that.  [Rashmi]: “Sometimes.”

Sometimes means ‘sometimes it feels like actions are a result of our thoughts’. Yes, and initially this understanding is okay. Initially this understanding or this type of knowledge is okay to believe, that ‘It is my thoughts which are causing my actions’. And hence, when we let go of our thoughts, then actions also happen on their own. So initially, if this is the understanding, that is also okay. But as this understanding deepens, you will see that it was the flow, that this was meant to be this way anyway. And it has always been that just momentarily appearances will come. So the appearance could be of a thought, the appearance could be of an action; but there is no actual inter-linkage. Because to have an inter-linkage would mean that there is a separate independent entity called a person who took hold of that thought, and put that into motion. But you will see that because this person never ever existed, it is Consciousness itself which put the thought there, and the action also there; and actually it is all Consciousness who is doing everything. So, this is what is called the ‘post hoc, ergo propter hoc’ fallacy, which is latin, which means that…, the fallacy is that just because something follows something else, it must be the result of what it follows. That is the fallacy. Just because it seems like action follows thought, it must be the result of the thought.

But you don’t have to force this understanding. This insight will reveal itself. And with this insight actually revealing itself, you will see that the law of karma does not apply. It applies only to the concept of a person. It is not true in reality; because the law of karma rests on this principle that actions are a result of thought. But the good news is that the simple instruction to let go of your thought is viable irrespective of whether the law of karma exists or not. So even if you believe completely in the law of karma, the way to cut off your karma and to be free from the cycle of birth and death, is to be free from the belief in our thoughts; be free from the concept of the mind.

So, doership…, as you see that all of this is just an appearance, and the appearance of a thought and the appearance of an action, although different in terms of the content of it, is not really different. Just another appearance; but the witnessing is untouched by the content of the appearance of thought, or of the action. Therefore, it does not matter what the quality of the appearance is. And then you will stop ascribing patterns to the flu. You will just see that momentarily it seems to appear this way. But don’t try to understand it, like you said. If the mind is trying to understand something, keep it aside. This is prior to the mind. This is an insight which is not from the mind, and the mind cannot fathom this. Just know that all that is needed is to let go of your next thought; and all these insights will appear.

So, there will be an insight which says ‘All of this is just an appearance which is coming in the moment and then going away’. And then ultimately there will come an insight that ‘Actually, none of this has ever happened’. Ultimately you will have this insight that ‘None of this, actually, has ever happened’. That is why it is the great Divine Maya or Leela. But there is no point talking about all of this too much because it might, if the mind tries to get a grasp of it, it might lead to further confusion actually. So, let the insights come on their own. You just be free from the noise of the mind. Free yourself from the constant chatter of the mind. And the way to free yourself is simple: just keep letting go of your next thought.

Atma says, “Still sometimes, like yesterday, I felt a strong nervousness when one situation happened, and I expected me to be already beyond it.”   Yes.  Then it is very good, then it is very good that it happened.   “…and I saw in that moment, it seemed I was still enslaved in that…,”  Yes.  “…but it was just not true. Just felt so un-free, and wanted to come out from that feeling.”

But actually it is very good that this situation happened, because there was a conclusion or a proclamation which was believed, that the person that is here now was free from something. It was another ‘person’ conclusion or a personal proclamation. So it is very good that this came up, because you see that even this proclamation we cannot make; or even this conclusion we cannot make. All personal conclusions are false; all personal conclusions are false. Even the truest conclusion. It could be a conclusion like ‘I am That’. Or it could even be a conclusion like ‘I am Awareness’. But if it’s still coming from ‘the person’ saying this, that ‘the person’ has now become Awareness, then it is still false, because all personal conclusions are false. You see this?

Cornelia says, “Same here, Atma.”

Oh, Rashmi also says, “Same/same. Same here, this very morning.”

Atma says, “Yes, true. I saw it clearly, all is false.”

Very good you bring up this point, it’s very good. And this seems to be a common ailment; by the reactions we are getting we can see. So any conclusion you can make about the person is just another perpetuating belief for the false one, or for the imagined one. If we have really seen that the imagined person just does not exist, then who are we saying is beyond it? Who are we saying is untouched by nervousness or fear, or any…, we can replace nervousness or fear with any conclusion that we can make about ourselves. What conclusion is it? Whose proclamation is it? Is it that we are saying that ‘Being is now free’? But Being was always free. So even when we are saying that ‘Now I am the Awareness alone’ it does not mean that ‘the person’ has become Awareness somehow. It only means the idea of ‘the person’ has been dropped and ‘I see that I was always the Awareness alone’.

This is a very good point. It’s a little subtle, so stay with me if you’re missing it. The point is not that ‘the person’ becomes something. I feel that all of you must hear this: It’s not that ‘the person’ is now free. It is not that ‘the person’ has understood something. It is only that the person idea itself is dropped, and it is seen that only Witnessing was ever-present, only Awareness was ever-present, and that is my true nature. So, we’re not referring to ‘the person’ as ‘my’ now. It isn’t the person’s true nature to become Awareness. The person never ever existed. The person has always only been imagination. And we are talking about the Real now.

I hope this is clear. And we can keep talking about this, because this seems to be a common thread which comes up this week, that there are many people who are now understanding it, but the point is that now this ‘person’ itself must be shown the door. There’s not so much interest for people to be understanding it.

Atma says, “True, true, Father. All which comes from personal space are false.”  Exactly.

Exactly. All conclusions about the person, all ideas about the person, no matter how glorious they might sound, are still false. You must all be completely clear about this. Very good.

Kapil says, “This happens very often here as well.”

It’s very good that it’s getting exposed here in satsang. Because if this just becomes…, even at the end of the journey, it seems like the person has become free, then the journey is not complete. The journey…, which never actually really started, because your true nature is Awareness itself …, but the seeming-journey is not complete, if at the end of the seeming-journey, there is still a person that says ‘I am free now’. Very good.

Ustreamer63 says, “Very true. Thank you.”

Atma says, “True. Who is then beyond it?”  Very good. Very good.

Atma says, “Feeling like wanting to cry. Don’t know why, but all is well.”  Yes. All is well. Very good.

Zoe says, “Yes, yes, Father, the idea of the person is dissolving, and the Zoe idea arises in the Awareness. This is seen.”  Yes. Yes. Very good.

So be clear that none of this applies to your identity. Satang is not for your identity. Satang is not for Zoe. Satang is just communion of Consciousness with Consciousness itself. It is Consciousness speaking with Consciousness; which is all that can happen anyway. You see what I’m saying? In reality, that is all that can happen; it is only Consciousness here. But there’s no pretending even that it is Ananta speaking with Zoe. Sometimes that can happen that way, as a pointing; but the point is that it is just Consciousness speaking with Consciousness.

Cornelia says, “Yes, without ‘the person’ there is no problem.”  Good. Yes.

Consciousness is unable to have a problem, actually. And maybe it wanted this experience of having this problem and transcending it, that’s why it created the ‘identity’ of personhood. As a game, as a toy, how would Being have a problem? What can trouble Being? How can Being suffer? Can anyone find a way to make Being suffer? I would be very interested in this. And the funniest thing is that there is no way to make the Being really suffer, but it is Being itself pretending to be a person suffering. You see this?

I wonder if some of this is too far out for some of you; and if you feel it’s becoming a little abstract and difficult, we can try to come back to the basics and explain what we are speaking of. But I feel that most of you, because you’ve been here in satsang for some time, this must be sounding like common sense. So I don’t want to make it too basic unless somebody feels that this is a little abstract, and you want me to start from the basics again. And if there’s a fear, peer pressure, in exposing this, then you must overcome this fear now and expose if this is true for you. That itself is great satsang. To overcome this (what is called) self-consciousness is very good.

Ajnani says, “Trouble means an opportunity to transcend any identification. How wonderful.”

How wonderful! [Laughs].  Look at that, look at that. Very, very good. Very good.

Rashmi has to leave now. See you tomorrow.

Ajnani says ‘Trouble means an opportunity to transcend any identification’. Very good! And with this understanding, there is a complete openness, because you will not resist anything that appears. And openness and ego cannot co-exist. Ego means resistance itself; resistance to what is. Therefore when we say openness, it means that ego is not here.

Ajnani says, “Namaste, Father. Not able to be in the whole satsang, but will catch up later.”  Yes, that’s fine. “Love you so much.”  Love you, too.

Ajnani says, “Tears are coming.”   Very good. So wonderful.

It’s so beautiful to hear all of you say these words. It is the Satguru in your own Heart which is starting to speak through you. Good.

‘Trouble means an opportunity to transcend any identification’. Just with this simple understanding, you cannot suffer now, because there is an openness to all situations; and suffering cannot exist when there is openness. Suffering means a resistance to what is. Very good.

Ustreamer63 says, “How to overcome fear during bad situations?”

How to overcome fear during bad situations? Very good. So let’s really look at this question and look at every part of it. The first part is how to overcome fear. First get an understanding of what is fear. What is fear? Can you see?

So there are objects in the external world, and then there are what I call ‘internal objects’. What are these ‘internal objects’? They are like thoughts, imagination, memory, emotion. And one of the emotions which can be perceived is the emotion of fear. So what are the others? Anger, rage, joy, peace, happiness, bliss. So just like there’s an awareness of external objects, there is an awareness of internal objects. And these internal objects called feelings seem to be very, very intimate with us. Now most of us have a fair amount of distance, it seems, from thoughts. But for some of us, feelings still seem to be very intimate. But you will see, as you stay in satsang, that even these feelings are just appearances. So rather than saying that ‘I am feeling fear’ first we must see that it is actually that the emotion of fear is arising. The witness of this emotion of fear is untouched by this fear; just as it is untouched by external objects, just as it is untouched by internal thoughts and imaginations, and dreams. In the way it is untouched by this emotion of fear also. And then once I see that ‘In reality, what I am is the witnessing itself, which is untouched by this feeling of fear’, then we will lose our fear about fear, and it will not be resisted. Because what arises can persist only if it is resisted.

So, the fear that is arising, in our fight with the fear, in our conclusion that ‘There must not be this fear now’ or ‘I should not be feeling fearful’ we resist it. And in this resistance we seem to make it last longer actually. But if we’re just completely open, as space itself; if you were to see that you are infinite space, in which all is allowed to arise and go, then you would not resist it. You would say ‘Come. Show me what you have to show me’. Be completely open. And then you will see that it doesn’t last at all. It doesn’t last at all with no resistance; it is just coming and going like any thought. But when we make it a personal battle, that ‘I need to stop this fear. This fear should not come. I need to do some therapy for it’ then it becomes more of a longer struggle. So that is about the first part.

The second part is, you say ‘during bad situations’. And no situation actually is bad. This might sound a little strong to the mind, but the truth is that no situation actually is bad. All of the situations that are arising, if you have a true desire for freedom in your heart, are pointing you towards your true nature; are showing you that you are never this person that you believe yourself to be. So actually what we usually call bad situations are situations full of grace, which are opening our mind towards the truth. Otherwise there is so much arrogance and complacence in the idea of being a person that we are completely closed minded to anyone that says ‘Why don’t you find out who you are’. It is mostly the Beings who have been through an apparent period of suffering that are open to this quest for self-inquiry. So what we are labeling as bad situations…, and sometime you’ll see that you learned so much from it, and you’re so much more aware of your own true nature. It is the grace on the path of self-discovery. So don’t label it as bad or good. It’s just another appearance for what you truly are. And it is crushing the idea of the ego. It is crushing the ‘person’ idea. So all thoughts that you believed about yourself will now get dissolved, and you will see that you are the pure Awareness itself, untouched by any of the content of this movie. This movie is playing and we’re saying ‘This is a bad scene, this is a good scene, this is a bad scene’ and getting personally involved. Then you start crying in the bad scenes and laughing in the good scenes. You will just see it as a movie then. It will become like a happy dream.

So, Bindhu says, “Thank you so much. Your words mean a lot.” Very good. Very happy to have you in satsang. Very good.

Atma says, “I am happy I have exposed it today.”  Very good. “Feeling the real clarity is coming from inside of me.”  Yes. Very good.

The instant we identify with a part of the appearance, we call a part of the appearance ‘me’ or ‘mine’, in that instant we are in trouble. The instant we call a part of what is appearing ‘me’ or ‘mine’, in that instant, we are in trouble. And trouble is what? Trouble is only an opportunity to transcend a false identification. So in the seed of the identification itself, there is potential for suffering, which itself is the cure for this identification. So, it’s that simple, isn’t it? The instant we identify as something which is coming and going, identify ourself to be part of the appearance, then we have planted the seed for suffering; and it is in the suffering itself that this identification will get cleaned up. Isn’t it so beautiful?

Much love, Lizelle. Very good.

Cornelia has a very good question. She says, “Anantaji, who is the witness? How to witness without involving? It is so difficult in family matters.”  Very good.

So once you explore this…, that’s why we say in the first stage, it is good to see, good to be the witness. Good to be the witness, to watch everything from a distance. No? And then you will ask ‘Who is this witness?’ Or I will ask ‘Who is this witness?’ And you will see that there is no witness entity at all. All that is here is the witnessing itself. You were never an entity, you were never a thing, you were not even the witness. You are the pure witnessing itself.

But initially I use the term ‘witness’ because this becomes the too-strong ‘medicine’ right in the first visit to the ‘doctor’. So initially I say ‘Be the witness’. But after there’s some distance between you and the appearance, then it can be asked ‘Who is the witness?’ And the answer is that there is no entity called ‘the witness’. All there is, is a sense of witnessing itself. Awareness is not a thing. It is not an entity. It is only the witnessing. And once you see this, then the second part of your question is automatically answered.

‘How to witness without involving? It’s so difficult in family matters’. No, actually you cannot stop witnessing; cannot stop witnessing. If I were to say ‘Stop witnessing now’ would you be able to do it?  No. The witnessing is ever-present. What is true is ever-present. In the waking state, you cannot stop being. That means the Presence of Consciousness or God is here always; and in all states there is pure witnessing. In deep sleep there is no object to be witnessed, yet the potential to witness is there. The witnessing is still present. So you cannot turn it off actually. What you are trying to switch on, you can never actually switch off. What you are trying to become, you can never actually not be that. You can never not be the witnessing. You are always that alone. You can never become the person. Can you become a person and show me, any of you?

Then Cornelia says, “Something is so scared now, for putting this question…”   Yes.

This one can be let go of now. Let it be released. This is not you. This is also being witnessed. The one that is scared is also being witnessed. It is not You.

Atma says, “Thank you. From feeling of crying changing into feeling of smiling.”  Yes.

This can happen like this, crying, smiling, all together; all emotions coming up and getting released. It is very much possible.

Jayani says, “Father, I just want to expose this fear that arises about something happening to my children. This is just been such a pointer to identification with motherhood, and the mother role. It comes up from time to time, and burns very deep. I’m so grateful for this, and give it all to you. In all honesty, everything is the same; all emptiness.”

Yes. That’s very good. And don’t try to forcefully rid yourself from this identification. I say that this identification with children is a very, very primal identification in all Beings; in animals, in insects. It is present in all Beings, and it is a very primal identification which is part of this realm. Therefore all we must do is keep letting go of our thoughts, and you might find that the Self has no problem playing the mother role, but really it is not so strongly identified anymore. There is more freedom, there is more space, there is more contentment knowing that because there is no person here, there is no person in our children also. They’re all a part of us, as Being itself. It is only Being playing as Being. And if this beautiful role of being a mother is being played out then don’t question it. Just don’t attach to any thoughts about it, don’t identify with any thoughts about it. Be completely natural moment to moment and let it play out. It is only the Being which is playing all of these roles. It does not need the intervention of any thought.

It is the same for all relationships. That’s why I don’t say…, you know, there are many who might say that you must love all children like your own. You must love the whole world like your own. You must love, love, love. I don’t say that, because that seems very forced and it seems like it has too much doership involved, and a strong ego is given birth. You find many Beings which come and say ‘I love everyone! I love everyone!’ This ‘I’ seems so strong still, isn’t it? So rather than that, just simply keep letting go of your thoughts, and let life unfold naturally the way it is meant to. No need to forcibly love or not love anything. Then you will find that love is an energetic form that is constantly in service to you. It is in service to your own Being, to your own Presence. There is nothing forced about love.

Atma says, “To be always dis-identified by letting go of thoughts.”

To be dis-identified with our thoughts is enough actually, because the idea of the person is perpetuated only by thoughts. It is nourished only by these ideas. And that’s why we say so often in satsang: ‘No need to renounce anything except our thoughts; no need to renounce anything except our mind’.

I never say ‘Leave your job, leave your family, go to some ashram, go to some cave. That is not the advice. The advice is only to renounce this tiny insect in our mind which we seem to be catering to all the time. So if we let go of our mind, then all renunciation is done on its own. That is the only renunciation that is required. You could be sitting in the most peaceful cave, and still deluding yourself about a person which is achieving some freedom. That is also pure delusion, as deluded as anything else. So if a person…, if he’s doing it with a sense of personal identification, if he’s sitting in a cave and meditating, there’s no difference between a person who is inside the stock market trying to make some money. If both of them are doing it from a personal perspective, both are deluding themselves that there is still a person here. Of course, initially, if there is a peaceful environment, it does seem to help us; thoughts seem to calm down a little bit, so much urgency is not there. That is fine. But if you make it a ‘person’ quest or specialness to become some special person, then that is as deluded as any other ego trip. It is just another ego trip actually.

Ajnani says, “In my experience, when I witnessed instead of being a person, the other person is surprisingly changing in the sweetest way.”  Yes.

When the life starts to be seen as a happy dream then all our relationships will also start reflecting this happiness, peace and joy. For a while there might seem to be strong resistance coming from the world and the Beings around us. But as we are stable in our understanding then soon, soon, soon everything just starts to stabilize; with no fear, with no fear that some relationship could become unhappy or some relationship could go bad. Because if there is still some fear, then it will manifest in the so-called external world also. And it is good that it manifests because it is an opportunity to transcend it. So in the funniest way, the problem and the solution are the same. The problem is suffering, and in this suffering is the solution of the dissolving of personhood. When there is suffering then the person cannot survive, the ego cannot survive.

Cornelia says, “So grateful for giving satsang. So grateful.”

Very welcome, my dear. And I’m also very grateful that you’re able to join. Very good.

Ajnani says, “Yes, it was resistance in the beginning.”

Yes. In the beginning, for most of us, there seems to be resistance, yes.

Atma says, “Clear, clear. Thank you. Very grateful.”

You’re very welcome, my child. Good.

So, the message for today seems to be that don’t even cater to the spiritual person. If you believe yourself to be a spiritual person, don’t even cater to this idea at all; because the spiritual person is nothing but the spiritual ego itself. Person means ego. If you’re believing yourself to be a separate individual, a separate person, no matter how beautiful or spiritual, it is still ego. Let go of all ideas about yourself. Let go of all thoughts, proclamations, conclusions. Let go of any concepts about yourself. Be completely free in this moment now.

Jyotika says, “Such a beautiful satsang, Father.”

Thank you so much. Very good. I’m happy you’re able to join. Very good.

Ajnani says, “Deep gratitude.”  To you, too.

Amrita says, “Yes, very beautiful. Love you, Jyotika.”   Yes.

Louise says, “Father, this thought keeps coming which says ‘Consciousness is doing all of this so what is the point? It brings great sadness about being this expression and having no control about that.”

You are not just a mere point within Consciousness; only the person idea can pretend to be this mere point of Consciousness. You are that great One, the Supreme One within which Consciousness itself is born. So Consciousness is at your service. You are not a mere toenail of Consciousness. The instant you identify and say ‘I’m just a mere person, and Consciousness is doing everything’ then these type of thoughts will come. But once you see that you are the witnessing itself, the Awareness within which the Being is born…, Being cannot be born on it’s own. You are born on Your own. Being is born from You. So who is the Supreme One? You are the Supreme One. Therefore Consciousness itself is in service to You. It is in service for Your entertainment, for Your joy.

So this one which is saying that ‘I am just a mere speck in Consciousness’ is not true. In fact, that is all that we are saying in satsang, that ‘You are the Supreme One. You are the One in which even God takes birth’. We are never saying that ‘you are just this imagined entity’. We are saying: ‘Let go of the imagined entity so that you see the truth for yourself. Consciousness is in control of this movie for your entertainment. You’re not a mere character in the movie’. So let go of this one that is saying ‘I have no control here’. You-as-Consciousness are controlling this entire appearance. All phenomenon You are deciding, but not from a personal space. No person can ever become Consciousness. No person can ever be aware, because it is only imagined. That’s the point, isn’t it?

Amrita says, “I meant love to both of you, Ananta.”  Yes, thank you.

Ian is here, he says, “Much love.”   Much love.

Ajnani says, “Thank you so much for this, Father. Beyond grateful.”

Thank you so much. I also love you beyond, beyond. Very good.

Lizelle says [Laughs], “Toenail of Consciousness, love it.”  Yes.

Atma says, “Great satsang.”  Thank you so much.

Cornelia says, “Oh, Father, thank you so much.”   Very welcome.

Wiebke says, “Thank you so much.”  Yes.

I know I’m out of time, but I just wanted to check in with Louise again to see if her question was answered. If Louise is still here, she can let me know if the question was answered.

Ah, Amrit Gurav is also here. He says, “Thank you so much, beloved Anantaji, for satsang.”  Very welcome, my dear.

Ajnani says, “Beyond, beyond, beyond.”  Beyond, yes. “Thank you so much. Jai.”  Thank you. Very good.

Meera is saying, “Namaste. Much love.”

So, we’ll catch up with Louise in the next satsang. Thank you all so very much for joining in today, for beautiful, beautiful Presence. [Namaste].

Thank you so much. Moojiji ki Jai. [Blows kiss].

Sangha: Moojiji ki Jai ! Anantaji ki Jai! Thank you. Love you.

Q:“There is still some confusion about actions following thoughts.”

So, what is the confusion about? Is it that you feel actions follow thoughts? Or is it you feel that ‘How could it be that action follows thoughts?’ Which way is the confusion tending? If you can just clarify that.

Q: “Sometimes.”

Sometimes means ‘sometimes it feels like actions are a result of our thoughts’. Yes, and initially this understanding is okay. Initially this understanding or this type of knowledge is okay to believe, that ‘It is my thoughts which are causing my actions’. And hence, when we let go of our thoughts, then actions also happen on their own. So initially, if this is the understanding, that is also okay. But as this understanding deepens, you will see that it was the flow, that this was meant to be this way anyway. And it has always been that just momentarily appearances will come. So the appearance could be of a thought, the appearance could be of an action; but there is no actual inter-linkage. Because to have an inter-linkage would mean that there is a separate independent entity called a person who took hold of that thought, and put that into motion. But you will see that because this person never ever existed, it is Consciousness itself which put the thought there, and the action also there; and actually it is all Consciousness who is doing everything. So, this is what is called the ‘post hoc, ergo propter hoc’ fallacy, which is latin, which means that…, the fallacy is that just because something follows something else, it must be the result of what it follows. That is the fallacy. Just because it seems like action follows thought, it must be the result of the thought.

But you don’t have to force this understanding. This insight will reveal itself. And with this insight actually revealing itself, you will see that the law of karma does not apply. It applies only to the concept of a person. It is not true in reality; because the law of karma rests on this principle that actions are a result of thought. But the good news is that the simple instruction to let go of your thought is viable irrespective of whether the law of karma exists or not. So even if you believe completely in the law of karma, the way to cut off your karma and to be free from the cycle of birth and death, is to be free from the belief in our thoughts; be free from the concept of the mind.

So, doership…, as you see that all of this is just an appearance, and the appearance of a thought and the appearance of an action, although different in terms of the content of it, is not really different. Just another appearance; but the witnessing is untouched by the content of the appearance of thought, or of the action. Therefore, it does not matter what the quality of the appearance is. And then you will stop ascribing patterns to the flu. You will just see that momentarily it seems to appear this way. But don’t try to understand it, like you said. If the mind is trying to understand something, keep it aside. This is prior to the mind. This is an insight which is not from the mind, and the mind cannot fathom this. Just know that all that is needed is to let go of your next thought; and all these insights will appear.

So, there will be an insight which says ‘All of this is just an appearance which is coming in the moment and then going away’. And then ultimately there will come an insight that ‘Actually, none of this has ever happened’. Ultimately you will have this insight that ‘None of this, actually, has ever happened’. That is why it is the great Divine Maya or Leela. But there is no point talking about all of this too much because it might, if the mind tries to get a grasp of it, it might lead to further confusion actually. So, let the insights come on their own. You just be free from the noise of the mind. Free yourself from the constant chatter of the mind. And the way to free yourself is simple: just keep letting go of your next thought.

Q: “Hello. Can you explain the difference between belief and trust? Thank you.”

Very interesting. So let’s look at this. Let’s introspect together, and see what are the conclusions that we all can draw. So when there’s only awareness, and attention is resting just with awareness, then the concept of belief does not even exist. Now, with the birth of the sense ‘I am’ or the birth of Beingness itself, along with the birth of the phenomenal universe, there is also the birth of these forces called ‘attention’ and ‘belief’. You see this? In deep sleep, there is no attention and there is no belief. But with the birth of Consciousness itself, the forces of attention, belief, identity…, all these forces come into play. And very few Beings have actually explored these, because they are always taken for granted. But each of them have some qualitative differences.

So based on your question, let’s look at belief first. What is belief? The thought could come, and first our attention goes to it. Without our attention, there is no belief possible, isn’t it? First it has to come to our attention. Whatever is believed, first the power of attention must go to it. But just because attention is going to it doesn’t mean that it is automatically believed. So the thought could be the thought about becoming an astronaut; and attention is going that there is thought about becoming an astronaut. Now, to give it belief means to say ‘yes’ to it, isn’t it? …to say that ‘This is about me’, to say ‘Yes, I must become an astronaut’. To give it belief also means the opposite, which means that we say that ‘I must never become an astronaut’. So, there’s an aversion to the content of this thought, that ‘This should not happen’. So, this is fear; you know, resistance.

But let’s look at it simply right now. Let’s say the thought was about becoming an astronaut. Just by giving attention to it doesn’t make it about me, or doesn’t make it seem true. There seems to be the power…, after the power of attention, there’s another power to give something our belief. When we say ‘Yes, I must become an astronaut’ that is when we have given it our identification, we’ve given it our acceptance, or we’ve given it our belief. It can be said like that. So, that is belief. It is a primal force that is born along with the birth of Consciousness itself; that we have the power to say ‘Yes, this is true’ or ‘This is for me’ or ‘This I accept’. That is about belief.

Now, what is the second part? It was about trust. So trust actually means that we have followed something over some period of time, and it seemed to have helped us. For example, if you come to satsang and you hear just this phrase: ‘Let go of your next thought’ and you follow this for a while. So, first there is a belief that is given to this. So, the words are arising from here [indicated himself] and then there is a belief given to the words arising from here, saying ‘Yes. This I accept’ or ‘This must be true’. And then when we try them out, and say ‘Okay, let go of my next thought; let go of my next thought’…, it’s tried over a period of time, and it leads to a presence of peace, joy, happiness; makes us feel better, less stressed out. Then we say ‘Yes. I trust Ananta because I followed what he had to say, and it worked’.

It could also be that the initial belief was there that ‘Yes, I will listen to the instruction’ but something goes wrong, or it’s followed in a different way, or it just doesn’t work. So if the belief was there around the phrase ‘Let go of your next thought’ and it just becomes a very frustrating experience, just leads to a lot of frustration and anger and resentment, then we can say that trust was not developed. Although there was some initial belief because of some strong resistances which came up that ‘The instruction didn’t work or didn’t help, hence I don’t trust Ananta’.

So this would be the difference between belief and trust.

Q:  “How to overcome fear during bad situations?”

How to overcome fear during bad situations? Very good. So let’s really look at this question and look at every part of it. The first part is how to overcome fear. First get an understanding of what is fear. What is fear? Can you see?

So there are objects in the external world, and then there are what I call ‘internal objects’. What are these ‘internal objects’? They are like thoughts, imagination, memory, emotion. And one of the emotions which can be perceived is the emotion of fear. So what are the others? Anger, rage, joy, peace, happiness, bliss. So just like there’s an awareness of external objects, there is an awareness of internal objects. And these internal objects called feelings seem to be very, very intimate with us. Now most of us have a fair amount of distance, it seems, from thoughts. But for some of us, feelings still seem to be very intimate. But you will see, as you stay in satsang, that even these feelings are just appearances. So rather than saying that ‘I am feeling fear’ first we must see that it is actually that the emotion of fear is arising. The witness of this emotion of fear is untouched by this fear; just as it is untouched by external objects, just as it is untouched by internal thoughts and imaginations, and dreams. In the way it is untouched by this emotion of fear also. And then once I see that ‘In reality, what I am is the witnessing itself, which is untouched by this feeling of fear’, then we will lose our fear about fear, and it will not be resisted. Because what arises can persist only if it is resisted.

So, the fear that is arising, in our fight with the fear, in our conclusion that ‘There must not be this fear now’ or ‘I should not be feeling fearful’ we resist it. And in this resistance we seem to make it last longer actually. But if we’re just completely open, as space itself; if you were to see that you are infinite space, in which all is allowed to arise and go, then you would not resist it. You would say ‘Come. Show me what you have to show me’. Be completely open. And then you will see that it doesn’t last at all. It doesn’t last at all with no resistance; it is just coming and going like any thought. But when we make it a personal battle, that ‘I need to stop this fear. This fear should not come. I need to do some therapy for it’ then it becomes more of a longer struggle. So that is about the first part.

The second part is, you say ‘during bad situations’. And no situation actually is bad. This might sound a little strong to the mind, but the truth is that no situation actually is bad. All of the situations that are arising, if you have a true desire for freedom in your heart, are pointing you towards your true nature; are showing you that you are never this person that you believe yourself to be. So actually what we usually call bad situations are situations full of grace, which are opening our mind towards the truth. Otherwise there is so much arrogance and complacence in the idea of being a person that we are completely closed minded to anyone that says ‘Why don’t you find out who you are’. It is mostly the Beings who have been through an apparent period of suffering that are open to this quest for self-inquiry. So what we are labeling as bad situations…, and sometime you’ll see that you learned so much from it, and you’re so much more aware of your own true nature. It is the grace on the path of self-discovery. So don’t label it as bad or good. It’s just another appearance for what you truly are. And it is crushing the idea of the ego. It is crushing the ‘person’ idea. So all thoughts that you believed about yourself will now get dissolved, and you will see that you are the pure Awareness itself, untouched by any of the content of this movie. This movie is playing and we’re saying ‘This is a bad scene, this is a good scene, this is a bad scene’ and getting personally involved. Then you start crying in the bad scenes and laughing in the good scenes. You will just see it as a movie then. It will become like a happy dream.

Q: “Thank you so much. Your words mean a lot.”

Very good.

Q:  “Father, I just want to expose this fear that arises about something happening to my children. This is just been such a pointer to identification with motherhood, and the mother role. It comes up from time to time, and burns very deep. I’m so grateful for this, and give it all to you. In all honesty, everything is the same; all emptiness.”

Yes. That’s very good. And don’t try to forcefully rid yourself from this identification. I say that this identification with children is a very, very primal identification in all Beings; in animals, in insects. It is present in all Beings, and it is a very primal identification which is part of this realm. Therefore all we must do is keep letting go of our thoughts, and you might find that the Self has no problem playing the mother role, but really it is not so strongly identified anymore.

There is more freedom, there is more space, there is more contentment knowing that because there is no person here, there is no person in our children also. They’re all a part of us, as Being itself. It is only Being playing as Being. And if this beautiful role of being a mother is being played out then don’t question it. Just don’t attach to any thoughts about it, don’t identify with any thoughts about it. Be completely natural moment to moment and let it play out. It is only the Being which is playing all of these roles. It does not need the intervention of any thought.

It is the same for all relationships. That’s why I don’t say…, you know, there are many who might say that you must love all children like your own. You must love the whole world like your own. You must love, love, love. I don’t say that, because that seems very forced and it seems like it has too much doership involved, and a strong ego is given birth. You find many Beings which come and say ‘I love everyone! I love everyone!’ This ‘I’ seems so strong still, isn’t it? So rather than that, just simply keep letting go of your thoughts, and let life unfold naturally the way it is meant to.

No need to forcibly love or not love anything. Then you will find that love is an energetic form that is constantly in service to you. It is in service to your own Being, to your own Presence.

There is nothing forced about love.

Q: “Still sometimes, like yesterday, I felt a strong nervousness when one situation happened, and I expected me to be already beyond it.”

Yes.  Then it is very good, then it is very good that it happened.

“…and I saw in that moment, it seemed I was still enslaved in that…, but it was just not true. Just felt so un-free, and wanted to come out from that feeling.”

But actually it is very good that this situation happened, because there was a conclusion or a proclamation which was believed, that the person that is here now was free from something. It was another ‘person’ conclusion or a personal proclamation. So it is very good that this came up, because you see that even this proclamation we cannot make; or even this conclusion we cannot make. All personal conclusions are false; all personal conclusions are false. Even the truest conclusion. It could be a conclusion like ‘I am That’. Or it could even be a conclusion like ‘I am Awareness’. But if it’s still coming from ‘the person’ saying this, that ‘the person’ has now become Awareness, then it is still false, because all personal conclusions are false. You see this?

Another Q: “Same here.”

Another Q: “Same,same. Same here, this very morning.”

Q: “Yes, true. I saw it clearly, all is false.”

Very good you bring up this point, it’s very good. And this seems to be a common ailment; by the reactions we are getting we can see. So any conclusion you can make about the person is just another perpetuating belief for the false one, or for the imagined one. If we have really seen that the imagined person just does not exist, then who are we saying is beyond it? Who are we saying is untouched by nervousness or fear, or any…, we can replace nervousness or fear with any conclusion that we can make about ourselves. What conclusion is it? Whose proclamation is it? Is it that we are saying that ‘Being is now free’? But Being was always free. So even when we are saying that ‘Now I am the Awareness alone’ it does not mean that ‘the person’ has become Awareness somehow. It only means the idea of ‘the person’ has been dropped and ‘I see that I was always the Awareness alone’.

This is a very good point. It’s a little subtle, so stay with me if you’re missing it. The point is not that ‘the person’ becomes something. I feel that all of you must hear this: It’s not that ‘the person’ is now free. It is not that ‘the person’ has understood something. It is only that the person idea itself is dropped, and it is seen that only Witnessing was ever-present, only Awareness was ever-present, and that is my true nature. So, we’re not referring to ‘the person’ as ‘my’ now. It isn’t the person’s true nature to become Awareness. The person never ever existed. The person has always only been imagination. And we are talking about the Real now.

I hope this is clear. And we can keep talking about this, because this seems to be a common thread which comes up this week, that there are many people who are now understanding it, but the point is that now this ‘person’ itself must be shown the door. There’s not so much interest for people to be understanding it.

Q: “True, true, Father. All which comes from personal space are false.”  Exactly.

Exactly. All conclusions about the person, all ideas about the person, no matter how glorious they might sound, are still false. You must all be completely clear about this. Very good.

Another Q: “This happens very often here as well.”

It’s very good that it’s getting exposed here in satsang. Because if this just becomes…, even at the end of the journey, it seems like the person has become free, then the journey is not complete. The journey…, which never actually really started, because your true nature is Awareness itself …, but the seeming-journey is not complete, if at the end of the seeming-journey, there is still a person that says ‘I am free now’.