BOOKS BY ANANTA Welcome to Satsang with Ananta

Namaste everyone. A very warm welcome to satsang today. Moojiji ki Jai.

Thank you very much for joining in. If it is your first time here, the way to ask questions is through the chat window. And I actually don’t see any chat. Let me refresh. Yes. Very good. I see it now so I’ll presume that the audio and video are fine. Namaste, namaste everyone. Welcome, welcome once again. Hi, Om. Namaste everyone. Very good. Audio and video are very good, Lucian says ‘audio and video are very good.’

Srikant is also here. Welcome, welcome. Namaste. And Bhakti’s also here. Very good. So wonderful to see all of you.

What would you like to speak about today? I know Atma had a question. Let’s see what arises.

Are we still cultivating the person in any way? Behind even our spiritual search, are we still cultivating the idea of being an ego, a separate entity? Is there still a person, being believed in, who now feels that it is a ‘know it all’? Or is it completely clear that no person ever lived here? This has never been a person’s life. And all that appears is consciousness itself. And, you have to smell this one out for yourself. Is there still a person being cultivated behind all of this beautiful knowledge? Is there a person who’s claiming to now know it all, someone who has understood life? And it can seem very subtle. It can seem very subtle. It won’t even necessarily smell of arrogance.

The ego that says ‘I know it all’ can be said to be more detrimental than the ego that says ‘I don’t know anything at all’. Are we cultivating this ‘know it all’ or it’s truly our seeing that no person ever lived here? Because if we are still nourishing the false idea that ‘I as a person, know something special’, then with this idea also, there is suffering in it’s tale. And, we must all check for ourselves whether we are still believing ourselves to be this separate individual.

O.K., let’s look at the chat. Namaste everyone.

Dorthe says, “Yes.”   O.K. It’s good to see and to be able to expose like this. It’s very good.

Zoe says, “I had an experience ten years ago of complete oneness and I looked in the mirror touching my face and laughing that I ever thought I was that. But, not so clear now.”

She says ‘I had an experience ten years ago of complete oneness and I looked in the mirror touching my face and laughing that I ever thought I was that. But, not so clear now’. So when you say ‘it’s not so clear now’ what does it mean? When you say ‘not so clear now’ means that ‘I believe myself to be a person often’? or…, ‘It’s not clear how I could ever have believed this to be true’?

Dorthe says, “Not like I know it all but still a person most of the time.”

And, what about the other times? So there is belief that I am a person most of the time, but what is the rest of the time? So is that the natural state, the rest of the time; or is most of this time the natural state?

Shanti says, “I don’t believe in anything or anyone. But there is still a voice that continues to record and play back with some identity. [Repeats this statement] I watch and I let it be. This ‘know it all’ is seen and tolerated, not indulged.”     Presuming that’s how it ended; ‘indulged’, yes.

As long as…, as they say in America, ‘as long as you’re not drinking the cool-aid’ of this ‘know it all’ then it’s fine. Just, it is enough to see that it is watched from a distance.

Rashmi says, “Surrendering the spiritual ego that is observed judging somebody else’s life.”    Very good.

You see, the spiritual ego is very, very subtle actually to ourselves. It seems very, very subtle. Because it could be speaking the most beautiful things. It could be speaking the most beautiful and seemingly true things. But, as long as it comes from a place of specialness, we are still missing the point.

Louise says something very nice. She says, O.K., and just when I was going to start reading it bounced up. Where are we? O.K.

She says, “Father, when you ask these questions…”   Lost it again.   “When you ask these questions, it feels like I cannot answer the ‘yes’ I feel to answer, because as soon as you ask, it makes it seen, and the answer feels ‘no’.”

Yes. [Smile] That is the whole point of asking the question. And in an instant, you say, when it is seen then it is dropped. Then the question has served its purpose. Because, the question is only a pointing. And instantly if you look with the innocence of a child, then nothing needs to be discussed after that. It is just dropped in the simple looking itself. That’s very good.

Jayani says, “I am so glad you bring this up Father. In past experiences, understanding was claimed by a person.”    Yes.   “Thoughts like ‘I got it’, etc. This is seen through and totally empty. Person is continually seen.”

Very good. Especially when we’ve had some strong spiritual experiences, very quickly the voice of the person becomes ‘Oh yes, I have understood, I have got something’. Quickly forgetting that the only thing to be seen is that this one, who is making even this proclamation, just never existed. That is the only understanding.

Shanti says, “That’s powerful cool-aid”    Yes. It seems that way, no?     “Sometimes it is tempting”

She said ‘That’s powerful cool-aid. Sometimes it is tempting’. All that has been nourished in the past will seem to carry some temptations now. But soon, as we keep with satsang, it will not seem powerful at all. All the temptations will cease to attract our attention now. [Reading chat and chuckling]

Zoe says, “Screen blanked out perfectly for your answer to me Father. Will watch the recording.”

In the presence of satsang, the answer is already here. The answer is available in your heart already. But it’s good to see the recording as well.

Dorthe says…, So the question to her was ‘What happens in the remaining time, when belief in the person is not there?’

She says, “Then, I just am. Sometimes conscious of being the observer. Sometimes just being with no thoughts.”     Yes.

So, if there were so many thoughts coming, suppose there were so many thoughts coming now; in that state, does the being stop? Do you stop being? When there are so many thoughts all our attention and even belief could be going to them, but in what way is Being touched by them? How does Being get touched by any thought? No matter how powerful or strong or tempting it might seem? Can you see this? Can you see if there is a point of connection between any thought and Beingness?

So Rashmi says, “It is seen sometimes that the person wants freedom, but not bothered by it.”    Very good.

It is seen that the person wants freedom, which means that there is a thought saying ‘I want freedom. I want to be free’, but no belief is given is to that.

Jyoti says, “It would only matter if it was believed, right? Otherwise everything is just seen to be not what I am.”   Yes.

If it was believed that ‘I am this person who now has understood something’, then that would be still the potential for suffering. It is not that in reality you become a person. This point also must be clear to everyone. Just by believing the thoughts of personhood doesn’t make you into a person. It is only that you are believing a lie and every lie believed in causes suffering ultimately. Yes, but without belief there is no potential for this suffering to arise.

Jayani says, “Though.”  Not sure what that ‘though’ was, but she says, “Baby cried and I had to check on her, so missed you.”

And that’s fine. It’s a wonderful thing that these are recorded. Otherwise, we would only be playing this a game of asking questions and missing answers [laughs]. This funny game of hide and seek where the life seems to create resistance in some way like this where the exact instant in which your question is being answered, it seems to come up with some distracting events. It happens a lot in satsang.

Louise says, “Father, mostly it seems like I don’t get anything at all. And this is really seen after a few hours of going around in circles in the head with all the spiritual knowledge. Lol.”   Yes.

And this ‘I’ is who? This ‘I’ who doesn’t get anything at all, who is this one? The ‘I’ who tried to understand and the ‘I’ who does not get anything; this ‘I’ is who? What is the address and phone number of this I? Can we find?

Zoe says, “Yes Father so true. Why more tears?”

Why more tears? Because, that is grace. That is very beautiful.

Atma says, “Being is never touched by any thought.”    Yes.    “Thank you Father. Thank you, thank you, thank you.”     Very good. So Atma, if you can remind us of your question. If it is unanswered we can look at the question again. Thank you.

Zoe says, “The answer is in my own heart. Thank you beloved Father.”    Very good.

Shanti says, “You are more powerful. Just this question is the antidote. Something is watched trembling about being discovered and exposed. It’s so good to uncover even the smallest doubt.”    Yes.

Nothing will be carried out of satsang. Not a blade of grass you will be allowed to carry out of satsang. That is true satsang. All the weight of the world you carried into satsang, you will not be allowed to carry anything out. If grace ensures that you continue coming to satsang, you will find that the entire weight of the world that you were seemingly carrying on your shoulders, the entire weight will be taken away. Not even a blade of grass will be left behind. I am very greedy that way. I will not leave it with you. Um? I will take it all away.

Is that a scary thought? I will leave you without your possessions, without your attachments, without anything in the world as yours. All will be taken away from you. Is that a scary thought?

Atma says, “The heart space here seems like expanding.”    Yes. Very good.

Rashmi says, “There was a strong insight today that everything happens only in the future. No past. Also, a seeing that something wanted to hold on to the experience of the insight.”

So the insight was ‘everything happens in the future’. And if I were to say that there is no future; if I was to say that there is no future, no past? Then what would you say? Can you show me a future?

Atma says, “The real knowledge is here in the heart and it is coming out.”    Very good.    “If I can say like that. Opening.”    Yes

Ustreamer335 said, “Yes. Last week I had a guest and I could not listen on line…”   [Losing track of the comment]  Not sure if we can do something about this text jumping about.  “Last week I had a…”    [Laughing] O.K. Ustream is playing games with me right now. Let’s try again.

Ustreamer335 said, “Last week I had a guest and I could not listen on line. But I listened to every night a recording.  This is Ajnani.”   Very good, my dear.  Yes. It’s good to hear the recordings if you cannot be here live.

Atma says, “It was not a question. I wanted to speak about the Beingness; of feeling of God in the heart; of being God itself. And I felt it through your heart, heart is opening more.”    Very good.

This sense of Being, this I Am-ness, this is what the Bible referred to when it said, and God said ‘I am that I am’. God said ‘I am that I am’. So, this Beingness, this I Am-ness is God itself.

Rashmi says, “May Grace keep bringing all of us to satsang.”    Very good.

Grace will bring all Beings to satsang. It doesn’t have to be this satsang, but satsang meaning the company that will awaken you to the truth. The company of the truth  itself. This is the divine friendship of satsang.

Jayani says, “Not interested in the person / seeking, etc. anymore. It is nothing. All nothing. If anything remains that you see Father, kill it now please. Take it all.”

Yes. In your handing it over, it is already taken. Hand over all ideas you have about yourself. They are not speaking about you. They have nothing to do with you. All your thoughts have nothing to do with you. They’re only about an imagined entity. Every single thought is about the imagined one. And it is only the belief in this imagined one which can perpetuate your suffering. Show me a thought which refers to you as your true Self. Show me a thought which refers to you as your true Self. That is why my Master says, ‘the mind is not your friend. Not yet.’

Dorthe says, “Lost the connection for a while.”

Zoe says, “The thought of you taking everything is a thought of great joy.”    Very good.

And this is surrender. ‘My life is in the Sat-Guru’s hands. He is the one doer and the one experiencer’. When this is seen then you and the Sat-Guru are one. Very good.

Jyoti says, “It is the most beautiful thought.”    Very good. This is surrender. This is love.

Rashmi says, “In the now. I think I mis-typed.  Kids were around.”   Yes.

Bhakti says, “No Father. It is not scary at all.”    Very good. This is space. This is bhakti actually. Very good.

Dorthe says, “No. I give you all.”    Very good.

Not even a blade of grass you will be left with to call your own. This is the power of satsang. Who can handle this heat? Even to say that your head will be chopped off is an under statement.  You will be left with nothing you can call your own. So, has everybody left the chat? [Chuckling]

Shanti says, “All thoughts are scary now, but it is the person who is fearful. Take the person and there is no fear.”

Yes. It can be fearful only to the imagined one. And only fearful even if this is believed to be fearful. So your belief determines even this being fearful or not. Because the imagined one has no potential to experience anything, including fear. So even the fear is your gift to the ego. Even the belief in fear is your gift alone to the ego. How can an imaginary one do anything at all, including believe in fear? But I appreciate where you’re coming from. I understand. Yes. It can be said that way, yes.

Shanti, “I give the scariest thought to you Father. Take it all.”    Very good.

Where are we now? Did I miss a bit of the chat? I’m sorry. It seems to be moving very quickly today. So, where are we now?

Bhakti says, “Please take everything away. I give it all to you.”   Very good.

So you’ve given it away now in satsang. Everything, everything, everything.

When you ask for it back…, this is for all of you…, when satsang is over will you rush to pick it up again? Or will you stay in satsang even after the designated hour is over?

Ustreamer389 says, “Surrendering all to you Father here and now.”    Very good.

Atma says, “Love you, Father dearest.”    Very good. So much love.

Zoe says, “What is the meaning of Satguru, Father? I’ve never asked this question.”     Very good.

So we say Satguru is actually your own inner Guru. The one in your heart. You can call it the…, although there is no comparable word in English, but the closest you could come to it is to say ‘The voice of intuition itself’. It is comparable to the voice of Being itself. If Being itself had a pure voice, it would sound like the voice of this inner Guru, this voice of deeper intuition. And this voice is qualitatively different from the voice of thought or voice of the mind. And, how do you tell the difference? Thought is a grasping, needy, proving energy. It is the voice which wants something or wants to prove something. The voice of the mind is not accompanied by the presence of love, peace and joy. It is mutually exclusive to these. So simplest way to say is that if you find words emerging which seem to be dipped in the presence of love, dipped in the honey of peace and joy, then we would say that that is the voice of your own heart. But, if it’s the voice that’s saying ‘What’s in it for me?’ Or, trying to prove that it is ‘me first’, then this is the voice of the mind; and this mind must not be nourished by your belief.

So, the physical form of the Guru is only a channel, only and instrument for the voice of the Satguru to speak. All the Sages, their bodies, are only the instruments for this holy presence to speak. So if there is any Sage which says that there is something special about this body / mind and claims to be anything beyond just an instrument for this pure Presence, then I would be very skeptical of such a teacher. All the teachers, authentic teachers, are just very clear. It is seen that it is only that the voice of the mind has been kept aside, and they have now become instruments to just speak from the inner Presence of truth. These are the words arriving, arising in response to the question about the Satguru.

Louise says, “Father, my girls are in satsang tonight.”    Wow, wonderful! Hm, your girls are in satsang tonight.    “Ruby and Jesse.”

Oh, so wonderful to have you. So much love Ruby and Jesse. Maybe I will tell my daughter that your girls were there. Maybe she will agree to join me as well sometime.

[Louise]: “Satsang in bed. It’s very nice.”    Yes, yes, wonderful [sweetly smiling and chuckling]. So much love. So much love.

Atma says, “Here in me is only your…”   Something got censored.   “your feet.”   Yes.

Good morning FB200.

Atma says, “Here, in me is only your heart, Father.”  Very good.

Ustreamer35 says, “I feel no feeling, Ananta. Not any negative or positive emotion. Is this a normal process?”

It can seem like that, that no feeling is arising. Actually feeling, just like thought, just like any other appearance, is an arising and a going; is a coming and a going. It’s only after it arises do we say that it was ‘my feeling’. And then when it seemed to be what we call a good feeling then we say ‘I am feeling good’. And what we label as a bad feeling, say ‘I am feeling not so good’. But it is not true actually. Because feelings are not saying anything about you. Just because a feeling of joy is arising doesn’t mean that you are joy. You are still only looking at the appearance of the joy. And it can be an enjoyable experience. But because it is enjoyable, doesn’t mean it becomes you.

You’ll see this, that you are the pure witnessing even of feelings. Just as you are the witnessing of the world and your thoughts, you are the witnessing of feelings as well. That’s why we say it is not…, freedom does not mean that you will be in a particular state or experience. Freedom means that all states and experiences are free to come. But you realize that you are the untouched one. So don’t be concerned about what feeling is coming or going. The witness is ever-present. And to be even more precise, the witnessing is ever present.

Rashmi says, “There was a strong sense of surrender…”     And some word got censored. Let me try to turn off the censor. O.K.     “There was a strong sense of surrender, desire for anything [something got censored] not even happiness. This is Grace.”   Yes.

What is it that you can surrender? Um? What is it that we can surrender? Can we surrender anything that is real? Name one thing that is real that you can give away. It is very good to give away all that is false. I am waiting with open arms for you to give me everything that is false. The real cannot leave you. You are That. Very good.

Jayani says, “Oh God! Thank you Father. How could a thought pertain to what I am? You just cut the core.”    Yes.     “Oh God. Thank you. No words.”   Very welcome my dear.

Zoe says, “How can I give you what is already yours Father?     Yes.    “Everything I have is already yours.”   Very beautiful. [Closing eyes and pausing]

What to say now? So much love. So much love. [Looking at camera lovingly and sighing] You actually managed to shut me up now.

Om says, “How can we leave you Father? So much love.”

Shanti say, “Everything is satsang. The grace of the Satguru leads all the life’s activities and reveals all existence as my own Self.”    Very Beautiful.

FB200 says, “There are many hours of the day that I feel an all encompassing empty joy, and in all things I see God. The mind is still there but I don’t mind. So, this back and forth is to be expected.”    Yes.

As my Master says, when there is a switch-over of power, seeming switch-over of power from the mind to the Being, this oscillation can seem to happen. But, just remember that in spite of this, even when you’re in the most mind-ridden state, the most mind-hypnotized state, in reality you were never the mind. You were never the person. But, yes, the appearance of this sort of oscillation can happen. That’s true.

Prema says, “Dipped in the honey of love. Thank you beloved Father.”    You’re very welcome, my dear. [Looking in to the camera with affection] You’re very, very welcome. [Staring into the camera for an extended period with love and closing eyes with great peace and contentment]

Lucian says, “Love. No words”    Yes.

FB200 (Jessie, I believe) says, “How can I be fooled anymore? I say ‘no more’. With you, live and grace.”   Very good.    “Thank you so much.”

Atma says, “Love.”

Shanti says, “Blessed Father, hold my hand as all my demons come to the surface and take them from me. I am your loving child and submit all to you. So much love for your Grace, in any form it takes.”    Very beautiful prayer. Very good.

Rashmi says, “Enjoying some peace before my buttons are pushed again.”   [Talking with son in whispers]

‘Enjoying some peace before my buttons are pushed again’ Rashmi says. But, we are giving the remote back to you. Isn’t it? You used to be like the buttons being pushed over there, and you dance. The channel changes based on the button getting pushed. But now in satsang we’re removing the batteries from the remote. The buttons can be pushed as much, but your channel is always satsang channel.

Ustreamer335 says, “Love, love, love. I couldn’t find a word to say.”     That is perfect. Words or no words, as long as it’s coming from the place of inner silence, it is all fine.

Rashmi says, “Even the dancing and trying and drama is watched.”    Very good.

Jayani says, “Mind always tries to claim any realization. All seen. It is seen and is nothing.”    Very good.   “Exposing it anyway.”    Very good.

So that was the theme for the satsang, no, today? It turned out this way. Very good.

Amrita says, “Satsang channel.”    Yes.

Jessie says, “Discernment again and again? Focusing from the greater until there is no more choices.”

It is very simple actually. Just let go of your next thought. We’ve made it very simple now. Just let go of your next thought.

Ustreamer20 says, “Hi Ananta.”    Hello.

Shanti says, “All buttons on the remote control access the satsang channel. I love this.”     Yes. [Laughing]

Thank you all so very much for joining in satsang ‘channel’ today.

Moojiji ki Jai!  [Waving] So much love.

Sangha: Moojiji ki Jai ! Anantaji ki Jai ! Thank you. Love you.

Namaste everyone. A very warm welcome to satsang today. Moojiji ki Jai.

Thank you for joining in. If this is your first time here, the way to ask questions is through the chat window. And I will presume that the video and audio are fine unless I hear otherwise. Namaste, namaste. Good.

Okay, Aradhana says, “AV is good.” Very good. And if Meera is here, a very happy birthday to you dear child, I love you so much. I hope you have a fantastic year. I am not sure if she is here, but we will send her the recording otherwise. Namaste.

So, as I like to say, we can keep things very, very simple. Oh, Meera is here. Very good, very good. Wonderful. So much love to you. All my blessings are always with you. Very good. Welcome Ajnani, Zurim, very good.

So like I was saying, let’s keep everything very simple, because simplicity leads to clarity. And the simplest thing to understand is the cause for suffering. The simplest thing to understand is the cause for suffering. The misconception is that life is making us suffer. The misconception is that life is making ‘me’ suffer. Where in reality the only thing that is causing suffering is our thoughts. So life is not making you suffer; life cannot make you suffer. Without belief in thought it is not possible for suffering to arise. So is there complete clarity on this first.

So Rashmi says, “Will stay here in silence today, don’t feel like talking.”

That is fine, absolutely fine; but don’t even predict what is going to happen. Don’t make any decisions about what you will do or not do. Stay in the silence, and if words are getting typed on their own or if words are coming through your mouth on their own then let them flow.

Atma says, “Yes Father.”

Sindhu says, “Namaste everyone.”   Namaste.

Zoe says, “Yes.”

Atma says, “Yes it is clear.”  Yes very good.

So in this understanding of this very, very simple fact, very, very simple fact, freedom is not far behind. If it can be clearly seen that it is not life which is causing suffering but it is my own belief in thoughts which is the only thing that can cause suffering, then that is already a giant leap towards your own Self; which is already here, but it plays out like this, that it is a giant leap towards your own Self which is already here. And you will see that many Beings, still after a long time in satsang, also will continue to feel that ‘it is my life which is causing the suffering’. So I want to look at it very simply today and tell you that it is not true. Life does not have the capacity to cause any suffering. It is belief in the interpreter’s voice, belief in the translator’s voice, which is the cause of suffering. And the only cause of suffering. No matter what the events of life are it is only this belief which is causing the suffering.

So because this is clear, let’s go forward now. So we have seen that whatever might happen in ‘the appearance’ does not have the potential to cause suffering. Then we say that ‘thoughts are the only thing which can cause suffering’, but let’s look at this also. So a thought arises, and when it arises it’s just another appearance. When a thought arises it’s just another appearance, just like an external appearance actually. And when a thought comes, our attention might go to it. But even when attention is going to it, that ‘this thought is coming’…, does it have the potential to create suffering? Or has it already done it’s job of creating suffering? Just by giving attention?

A thought could be coming now. Just in your giving it attention, even with that, does it create suffering? Is attention enough for suffering to come? You can look and answer from your own experience. Is only attention enough for suffering to come, or is there something else also required? So I will wait a while for you to introspect and type out some answers. Just look for the next thought that is coming, and even if your complete attention is going to the thought, just with the attention, can it create suffering? Very good, we will wait for the others as well for a few more answers, then we will look at your answers. Very good, very good.

So what have we seen now, that life can not cause suffering, the mere appearance of a thought cannot cause suffering, because a thought can just come and go, and suffering is still not here. And then we have seen also that ‘even if all my attention is given to the thought, it still does not cause me suffering’. And then we will look at your answers.

Zoe says, “Belief must be there.”  Yes.

Atma says, “No it is not, attention is not enough for suffering.”  Yes.

Ustreamer322 says, “No, there must be identification.”

Wiebke says, “No, it needs belief to suffer.”   Very good.

Rashmi says, “No suffering with just attention.”   Very good.

DBurke says, “Here it seems that some belief is involved.”   Correct, exactly.

Aradhana says, “Identification with and belief in the thought is <censored> suffer.”

Let me turn the censor off.

Kapil says, “Attachment and belief causes suffering. But many times this belief happens without our noticing it.”  Yes, it seems that way, yes.

Lucian says, “It seems attention goes to thoughts charged with identity.” Yes that is also true, we will look at that.

Ajnani says, “Nothing can cause suffering, only giving attention to random thoughts and believing them.” Yes. So you said even if attention is going there, just because of attention alone, it cannot make us suffer.

Ustreamer740 says, “There must be interest in thought to suffer.”   Exactly, very good.

Jayani says, “Namaste Father. Identification that this is my thought can appear to cause suffering.”  Yes. Can ‘appear’ to cause suffering, can ‘appear’ to cause suffering, very good, very good.

So we have seen now…, and because we are keeping it very simple let me repeat the entire thing…, (once this jet plane crosses over). [Sound of a jet plane outside.] So what have we discovered now? We have discovered that the event of the life can be anything. The situation, the appearance of life can be anything but suffering cannot be caused because of it. This includes everything, including the state of the body; but suffering cannot appear because of it.

Then we say the thoughts make us suffer. Then we are questioning even this presumption. So a thought appears and it goes; it definitely does not make us suffer. Then we say ‘okay, attention to our thoughts makes us suffer’ and we are questioning this presumption also. We say ‘okay, a thought comes and then attention is given to it’. Even if complete attention is given to the thought that comes, can it make us suffer? And then you said ‘No, it must be some identification, some belief’. So it is the belief in this thought, that ‘it applies to me’. The thought is referring to you as a person entity, as an ego, as a separate entity, a thought is referring to you as this imaginary person. And once we believe ‘this thought applies to me’ that ‘the thought is valid for me’ (therefore we give it our personal identification, we give it our belief), that is when the seeming suffering starts to arise. That is why I like the phrase that Jayani used, she said identification with the thought can ‘appear’ to cause suffering.

Yes, so we are just talking about the appearance of suffering. Suffering also is just another appearance. So when this is believed, that ‘this is happening to me’ or ‘why did this happen to me? why is this person doing this to me?’ or ‘I should not have done that’ or ‘I should be doing this’. This is usually the content of thought, isn’t it? It is always referring to you as this small imagined person entity. And with this belief then we seem to be caught in this web of suffering. And if it is completely clear to all of you that this can be the only cause…, I want it to be clear to all of you even if it is your first satsang. So with this one swoop, chop the head off suffering. But if it is unclear to any of you we can look at it.

Also Kapil had this point, he said that it seems to happen automatically, it seems to happen on it’s own, the belief. It could seem that way because it is a habit. We are so habituated to believing every thought that is coming that now, when there is some distance from it, we see that it seems to happen very fast sometimes; but already in the saying itself there is already a sense of distance from it. Because earlier it used to be automatically believed, a thought would come and you would say ‘it is my thought’, another thought would come and you would say ‘it is my thought’. Now you say that ‘at times it seems automatic’ and even these times will reduce. And most of the time this identification will not happen. But there will always be rare points, there will be some situations in which still thoughts seem to get picked up. And what to do when they get picked up? It’s simple, at that point we drop our belief in them. It is that simple. In that moment all that is required is to withdraw our belief from it. And you can experiment with this and you will see that it is completely possible. Don’t believe the thought which is saying ‘but that is difficult’ or ‘that cannot happen’…, all these are just thoughts anyway.

And then Lucian had a point, he had said that attention seems to go more to those thoughts which have been nourished with a lot of belief, Yes. That is true. So when you start withdrawing your belief you will find that, when the same old noise is coming, your attention might also not be following it. So start with withdrawing your belief, and as you keep withdrawing your belief, you will find that attention also is very easily being withdrawn from it.

And why I say start with belief is because if you make it a fight initially, to withdraw your attention completely, then it becomes a little bit confusing at times. It’s like we often say in satsang, if I say ‘don’t give any attention to any thoughts about a pink elephant’ and immediately attention goes to thoughts of a pink elephant. But when we say ‘don’t believe you are a pink elephant’ or ‘don’t believe that this thought of a pink elephant is for you’ that seems simpler to do initially. So the simplest way to come to the end of suffering is to stop belief in our thoughts.

So what have we done today? We have seen that we have identified the true cause of suffering, we have taken away all the confusion about what is the cause of suffering. We have zeroed in on the true cause of suffering, and then we have said that what is the way, what is the way to transcend this? And in this simplicity you have found what the Buddha was looking for. You have found what the great Masters were looking for. You have found what every sage started his quest for, to come to the end of suffering. So because we say it very simply doesn’t mean that it is a trivial finding. It is the end of suffering itself.

Very good, let’s catch up on the chat.

Ajnani says, “When I was young I noticed that any thought can come and go and never believed in them, but then forgotten this fact.”

Exactly. When we were very small this is how our natural state used to be. That even if belief was given for a few moments, it was quickly gone. That is why children cannot hold onto resentments. Children cannot be guilty for long. Children are very, very natural.

Louise says, “Father, so there are thoughts talking about a me that doesn’t exist, and more thoughts talking about how the content of the thought affects this non-existent thing.”

‘So there are thoughts talking about a me that doesn’t exist’ and now, because of the new conditioning, there are more thoughts ‘talking about how the content of these thoughts affect this non-existent thing’. Yes. All thoughts can be thrown away. ‘The content of any thought, the content of any thought can affect the non-existent thing’. You see this? If a thing does not exist, then where is the question of cause and effect? And what does exist cannot be touched by any content of thought. So let all thoughts say whatever they want. They will only keep trying to push whatever buttons still seem to exist; and once you see that all belief is withdrawn from all of these buttons and you have taken the remote control back, then no thought will have the ability to make you suffer. Or very few thoughts will have the ability to make you suffer, and that too only for a few moments.

I don’t want to create a unrealistic expectation in any mind that the state of freedom means all thoughts will stop or no thought at all should ever be able to push a button. These are unrealistic expectations coming from the ego itself. That’s why I say that most thoughts will be thrown away and the few rare ones, belief in them will last only momentarily. And nobody is going to come and measure how much freedom really exists for you. So don’t worry about passing this exam. I see it in many seekers, that they feel that enlightenment or freedom is some sort of a test or an exam of some sort and they are constantly going hard on themselves, which is again more thoughts, you know believing more thoughts. This is not about getting somewhere, it is not about getting a state. It is only to see what is naturally present, already here, in the simplest sort of way.

Jayani says, “Father, great frustration with my five year old arises when my daughter ignores requests or instructions to get ready for school. Placing this in the fire, placing this in the fire, and her.”

So some of you know I had a late night last night. I was editing a lot of photographs, a lot of beautiful photographs were edited last night. And this morning very, very early, my daughter came and said all kinds of things that she needed for school at the last minute just before going to school. So yes, momentarily of course, anger can arise and frustration can arise; but especially with our kids it is impossible not to hold on to them, isn’t it? So all of this is very natural; let it just come and go. But don’t say ‘now that I am free, or now that I have understood something, or I have the understanding, and hence all this should not happen’. That is what the trap is actually.

Cornelia says, “This longing can be understood as a suffering here because it is a thought of separation.”  Yes.

So the longing is for God or for your own true nature, this longing has brought you to this point. The longing has done it’s job. The longing has done it’s job, and it has got you in satsang. Now the longing itself will dissolve, because you will see that the beloved, the one that the true longing was for, is already here. The Being dwells in your own heart. The ever-present Consciousness, the ever-present Atma, God himself. Only God is present actually. In the form of this Presence.

We are searching for God but the truth is only God is present. Isn’t that a joke? This reminded me of sri Kabir ji’s couplet, he had written a poem, which roughly translated means that ‘The fish seems to be thirsty in the water, the fish seems to be thirsty in the water, seeing this I can only laugh’.

So we are running for God, we want God, but God is the only Being that is present, your Being itself is God. It is like a fish in the ocean longing for water. And it can be a beautiful longing, there is no denying that, but now it has brought you to satsang where, if you have some trust, you will see that there is Being here. The Being that you cannot stop. This Being is the object of your longing; it is what you have always wanted and it has always been here. That is why it is a beautiful couplet: ‘The fish has been thirsty in the water. Seeing this I can only laugh’.

What is the distance between you and your own Being? How far are you from this Beingness itself? So this longing itself can now be thrown into the fire of satsang. And this longing can be replaced with a beautiful celebration of realizing that ‘I have always been this!’

Cornelia says, “Yes, my beloved is here. I am in love forever.”  Very good.  “Thank you Anantaji.”   Very welcome my dear, very good.

Rashmi says, “Back after lost connection all this while.”

We were just saying that the one that cannot be lost is the only one that is ever-present; the Being itself, God itself. Your own Being is the light through which this entire universe is created.

Sindhu says, “Feeling is like I wanted to find God by getting away from myself.” Yes. “And this brought me to my Self where I found God.”  Very good.

That is why my Master refers to a beautiful saying, I am not sure whether it was Meister Eckhart or someone who said ‘When we search for God we find the Self, and when we search for the Self we find God’. It is actually the same thing. So when we go seemingly outwards looking for God it will point us back inwards to our own Being, to our own Self. And when we go seemingly inwards to find God or the Self, we will find that all that exists is your own manifestation; all is God itself.

Dburke says, “Longing so much for true recognition of Self. Right now it still feels mental. Surrendering the longing, the frustration, the hope, all of it into the fire.”

Very good. Now that you have thrown all of this into the fire, what remains rights now? Very simply, without any knowledge, without any mind intellect, what simply remains right here right now? In this moment, what remains once all this is thrown away or kept aside?

Rashmi says, “Bye, I have to leave early today.”   Bye, see you soon.

Lizelle says, “Namaste beautiful Master and sangha.”  Namaste, Namaste, dear one, very good.

Ustreamer791 says, “Abiding in the <censored> peace, thank you beloved Ananta.”   Thank you my dear, thank you.

Jayani says, “Truly an immaculate conception.”   Exactly.

Our own Being is the true immaculate conception. This is the root phenomenal birth, the sense of Beingness which comes out of non-phenomena. And everything else comes out of this sense of Being. When Being is here then the world appears. The Being comes out of this non-phenomenal Awareness itself. That’s why Being itself is the true immaculate conception.

Have we demolished all misconceptions about suffering today? Is it completely seen, at least seen as to what happen?. If there is still some confusion we can look at it. Because once we get this space, this freedom from suffering, then we will see that self-discovery is the simplest thing. How difficult can it be to find that which is ever-present? If our mind is not distracted by the story of our life, the suffering, then self-discovery is the simplest thing. Because to find that it’s ever-present, to find that which is ever-present is the simplest thing. We said to Dburke, we said: If we were to keep everything aside, everything aside, can we keep the Being aside? Can we say that I will not ‘be’ for some time? Or can we stop being for a while? So if I were to say for the next five minutes just don’t be, would you be able to do that? For the next two minutes just stop being. For the next one minute just stop being. For the next few seconds can we stop being?

And you will say ‘no, I cannot stop’. This being is ever-present, in the waking state there is always the being. This Being itself is Consciousness, Atma, God; whatever label you want to use is fine with me. And this is what you have been looking for. It is actually this simple. It is this simple. When we have kept the nonsense of the mind away, to discover the truth is this simple.

Let’s see. Ustreamer344 says, “Good morning, my first satsang with you. Feels really good listening to you. Bindu.”   Ah, okay, Bindu is here. Very good, very good, welcome.

Atma says, “Thank you, Father. So much love.”   So much love to you too.

Ajnani says, “Not possible to not be.”

Dburke says, “Smiling, not able to stop being.”   Simple isn’t it?   “Thank you for making this so simple.”   Very good.

Atma says, “I always am.”   Very good.   “Impossible to stop being.”   Yes.

Dburke says, “Feeling so grateful for this pointing.”   Very good.

It is this simple, and is completely true. So now you have tasted God itself. You have tasted your own Being. You have tasted Atma.  Are you happy to walk one final step with me now? It is not even a walking actually. It’s a very simple pointing, that there is an awareness even of this Being. There is an awareness even of this Being also which you cannot stop. And this Awareness is prior to even Consciousness. Prior to Beingness. And this pure untouched Awareness is your own true Self.

And that is why we use a very simple question, because the mind must be already starting to play some tricks, that ‘Oh, this part is not clear, or this is not found’. That’s why even for this, we have a very simple question. And the question is: Are you aware now?

And if you naturally say ‘Yes, I am aware now’ then this is the awareness of Awareness itself. We don’t need to wait for the mind’s approval, for the mind’s testimony, just in the answer ‘Yes, I am aware now’. The simplest question, even a child will say yes. In that answer ‘yes’ you have seen that there is an awareness of Awareness itself. And this is the end of all spirituality. This is the culmination of all that can ever be said. We have come to the end of suffering, to the finding of God in our own heart, and to the real seeing of our own true nature, as Awareness itself. What else can we look for? What else are we seeking?

Ustreamer91 says, “Just being is such a privilege, a gift from Grace. We pollute this with layers of thought.”

Yes, we can say like that, but the fact is that Being is so  untouched, so pure, so immaculate, that even with belief, even the most horrid thoughts, it is not possible for being to get polluted or contaminated. It can only seem that way. But you are the untouched pure one. Guiltless, free from all regrets. What can change your Being? The Being which you cannot stop even for an instant, what can touch this, what can make it smaller or bigger? What can reduce it’s light or increase it’s light. No phenomena can touch this phenomena of all phenomena. Your own Being.

Ajnani says, “This ‘I’ thought also meaningless, only Being, existing, and aware of that existing.”   Good.

All thoughts are completely meaningless. There is only the Being which seems to exist and there is an awareness of this Being which seems to exist. Very good.

Kapil says, “The mind is waiting for some huge flood of happiness, joy to finally say I have reached.”

It is a very common complaint saying ‘Where are the fireworks?’ Basically what you are saying is ‘Where are the fireworks? I heard that the Gods themselves, the Devas from the heaven, will bow down to you when we have discovered our true nature. But I see nothing, it is just so plain and simple’. And I say that it is this sober seeing, this sober seeing that is very beautiful actually. Because any state, any experience then becomes an expectation from your mind to say ‘This should last’ or ‘This should stay’. And that becomes another trap, it become a spiritual trap.

I am pointing you to what can not go. Being cannot go. Awareness is ever-present. This is the only stability here. All else which comes, no matter how sublime, how beautiful, if it comes then it must go. All that comes must go. Even Being itself which comes with the arising of the waking state goes with the arising of the sleep state. But if it is confusing at the moment, just forget about that. But just know that the Being just never goes, it is ever-present. And all else that is coming and going, will just come and go, that is it’s nature. So if a huge flood of happiness or joy would come, then when it would leave you, you would say ‘I want that again’. Then that is still desire. That is still coming from the personal idea, That is still coming from the idea that you are a personal experiencer, but there is no personal doer or experiencer. All is a play of Consciousness itself.

Therefore freedom is not a state, enlightenment or liberation is not a state. It is freedom from all states. All states arise within You. You are not a slave to some state. So don’t fall for the trap of trying to get to a state. All of us have wasted many years trying to get to some states. And whatever states come, they don’t last. It’s very good.

Atma says, “Nothing is real. I knew when I was a child that all was unreal, not true. Now again I am in this awareness. I am again in my real nature. Thank you.”  Very good, very good.

Kapil says, “Thank you for the clarification.”   Very good, very good. Much love.

Atma says, “Yes, also Being will go, but for me, Awareness, I am always here.”

Lucian says, “When I am relaxing deeper, something brings worrying thoughts like a barrier, like a stopper; and it seems it can stop the relaxing, but it cannot stop Being. Maybe I give too much attention to relaxation.”  Yes.

Relaxation is also another state. Even relaxation doesn’t touch the Being. But it can be said that, as more and more the marination in the Being itself is happening, then you will lose this concept of relaxed or non-relaxed. Because you will see that you are so strongly identified with just the Being itself or just the witnessing of this Being that it doesn’t matter. The state of the body / mind will not matter to you. It will not matter.

Lucian says, “You already answered my question and sorry for the unimportant remarks.”

No, no. no. All questions are welcome. All that comes from your heart, anything that you want to expose or to ask in satsang is welcome. Very good.

[Lucian]: “Truly I love you and anything you say, it’s enough and beautiful.”  Very good. I love you too my son, very much. Very good.

All my blessings are always with all of you. And also there is so much gratitude here for all of you to participate in this, who have the openness to these words; that itself is very great. Thank you all so very much. Love you, too, Atma. Thank you. Love you, too, Ustreamer91. Thank you. Love you. Love you so much. Love you all. Thank you all so much. Very good. Dburke, thank you so much. I don’t know how to pronounce your name. Dburke33 but it’s very nice to have you in satsang. “You are beautiful.” Thank you, Kapil.

Wiebke says, “A lot of restlessness is there in the last few days and I am not able to follow satsang like before. I gave this a lot of meaning. Give it in the fire.” Very good.

Yes. The mind is bound to play these kind of tricks, the mind is bound to play these kind of tricks, but you stay in satsang. That is the only rule, if you can call it that. Just stay in satsang, and all that is untrue will be burnt in the fire of satsang. It’s very, very good. So I’m very happy that you are able to come back to satsang in spite of the resistance from the mind, it’s very good.

Jayani says, “What a mighty existence.”   Yes.

Ustreamer344, thank you so much. Amaya, thank you so much. Very good.

Dburke says, “It’s Denan.” Okay thank you so much Denan. So much love, Cornelia, so much love, thank you.

Denan says, “I have been waiting to join for a while, but there has been so much <censored> …” (resistance, most likely).  “So grateful that somehow resistance is not in the way.”   Yes, very good. We are also very happy that you join.

And for all of you that are here, if you want to add me on Facebook, please feel free to do that. I would love to be connected with you. You are my beautiful family.

Thank you so much. Thank you all so very much for joining in satsang today.

[Namaste] Moojiji ki Jai ! Thank you.

Sangha: Moojiji ki Jai !  Anantaji ki Jai ! Thank you. Love you.

[Reading from Song of the Avadhut]

~ ~ ~

Maybe I feel to go a little forward on this:

All that exists in this world of forms

Is nothing but the Self, and the Self alone.

How, then, shall the Infinite worship Itself?

Shiva is one undivided Whole!

[Repeats]

All that exists in this world of forms

Is nothing but the Self, and the Self alone.

How, then, shall the Infinite worship Itself?

Shiva is one undivided Whole!

So it is clear right now, that all that is here is Awareness. This one undivided Self. And if all that is here Is awareness, then it must be from within this Awareness that this sense of Being emerges. Consciousness must emerge from Awareness itself. So all that is manifest, or unmanifest is the Self. And in this one Self, who is to worship who? Only the Self to bow down to itself.

‘Shiva is one undivided Whole!’

This Pure Awareness is the entirety of all.

All is Shiva.

All is the Self.

All is the Absolute.

[Reading from Song of the Avadhut]

~ ~ ~

O mind, why are you so deluded?

Why do you run about like a frightened ghost?

Become aware of the indivisible Self!

Be rid of attachment; be happy and free!

[Repeats]:

O mind, why are you so deluded?

Why do you run about like a frightened ghost?

Become aware of the indivisible Self!

Be rid of attachment; be happy and free!

So these are the questions, which are pointing you still, although it might seem to refer to the mind. It might seem to refer to the mind, but it is only showing You as Pure Being itself, the nature of the mind.

They say:

O mind, why are you so deluded?

Why do you run about like a frightened ghost?’

So it shows us the deluded nature of the mind and its fearful nature, its needy nature, its desperation. I’m sure the author was not expecting that on hearing these words the mind will change or the mind will get reformed. Because we have seen that that doesn’t happen. It can pretend for a little while, but all it knows is defend and attack. To be fearful and to be needy, to be angry and to be greedy.

So then they say:

‘Become aware of the indivisible Self!

Be rid of attachment; be happy and free!’

And that is why I said the instruction is not for the mind, because the mind cannot become aware of the indivisible Self. Only Awareness itself is aware of Itself. In the simple question, ‘are you aware now?’ we see that Awareness is completely aware of Itself. He’s not referring to the mind. ‘Be rid of attachment; be happy and free!’ So this is again imploring the Being Itself, to rid Itself from this hypnosis of personhood. To let go of the person idea.

[Reading from Song of the Avadhut]

~ ~ ~

We did the first paragraph of 27 already, let’s do the second one:

If you see the world as other than the Self, can that be the experience of Unity?

If you see it as the Self, can that be the experience of Unity?

Good, so let’s look at this. ‘If you see the world as other than the Self’

You look at the phenomenal appearance, and you say ‘That this is not me’. We approach it with a sense of duality.

But how can it be that if all that it was, was Awareness itself, then this phenomenal existence must have come out of Awareness itself, isn’t it? It must be made up of the same  ‘stuff’.

And then they say: If you see it as the Self, can that be the experience of Unity?

So it is not enough to say that all of this phenomenon is me. Many beings get stuck over there. They have this forced attitude to see the world as themselves. And they miss the point that the pure witnessing of the world is prior to even the phenomenal existence of the world.

The pure witnessing of the world is there before the phenomenal existence of the world, and hence I must be this pure witnessing within which this phenomenal world arises.

Before separation means complete Oneness.

That Shiva and Parvati are One ultimately.

Which means that Awareness and Consciousness are ultimately One.

Namaste, everyone. A very warm welcome to Satsang today. Moojiji ki Jai.

Welcome, welcome. And if this is your first time here, the way to ask questions is through the chat window. And unless I hear otherwise, I’ll presume that the video and audio are fine. Welcome, very good. Namaste, Namaste.

Shanti says, “I made it today.” Very good. [Laughter]

Namaste, Namaste. Good morning. Very good, very good. Very warm welcome to all you once again. And if you missed what I said earlier, the way to ask questions is through the chat window.

So what do we want to do today? It’s been a long time since we read through The Avadhut Gita. So I feel we can read from The Avadhut Gita. See if you can see this [Holding up the book]: The Song of the Avadhut by S. Abhayananda. And we’ll make it a little more fun.

Rashmi says, “Can you guide us through a contemplation?” Yes, okay so we’ll read a bit through The Avadhut Gita, which is like a contemplation itself, and then we see where it goes. But what we can do is we can make it a little more fun. So you can pick a page number from 16 through 160. You can pick a number from 16 through 160. Just follow your heart and type out a number and we’ll read from those pages.

So Amaya says, “33”. Let’s start with 33. Okay, so this is page number 33 and it says:

The subject and object are unseparated and inseparable.

That undivided One is you.

When this is so, when no “other” exists,

How could the Self be objectively perceived?

When this is so, when no ‘other’ exists, [and we put ‘other’ in quotes]. How could the Self be objectively perceived? Very good. ‘The subject and object are unseparated and inseparable; That undivided One is you’. When this is so, when no ‘other’ exists, [and we put ‘other’ in quotes]. How could the Self be objectively perceived?”

Good. So we don’t do too much commentary today, unless something comes up strongly. So this was 33, the first paragraph. And let’s go to 67.

The space inside a jar merges in the space outside

When the jar is destroyed;

The yogi, when the body’s destroyed,

Merges into the universal Consciousness—his own true Self.

[Reads again]

The space inside a jar merges in the space outside

When the jar is destroyed;

The yogi, when the body’s destroyed,

Merges into the universal Consciousness—his own true Self.

And let’s go to 21.

The mind is formless like the sky,

Yet it wears a million faces.

It appears as images from the past, or as worldly forms;

But it is not the supreme Self.

[Repeats passage]

The mind is formless like the sky,

Yet it wears a million faces.

It appears as images from the past, or as worldly forms;

But it is not the supreme Self.

Very good. We’ll go to 27.

The one Reality is ever the same;

This is what all the wise men say.

Whether you embrace or renounce desires,

The one Consciousness remains unaffected.

[Repeats passage]

Whether you embrace or renounce desires,

The one Consciousness remains unaffected.

Ananya said “20.”  Okay so 20 is only the Sanskrit, so let’s read from 21 once more.

I’m One; I’m all of this!

Yet I’m undifferentiated, beyond all forms.

How, then, do I regard the Self?

As both the Unmanifest and the manifest world.

‘How, then, do I regard the Self?’ was a question and the answer was ‘As both the Unmanifest and the manifest world.’  Good.

130.

Here, everyone is the same conscious Soul;

Here, everyone is the one eternal Soul.

Here, only the one undivided Soul exists;

Why lament, then, O mind? I’m the same Self in all.

[Repeats passage]

Here, everyone is the same conscious Soul;

Here, everyone is the one eternal Soul.

Here, only the one undivided Soul exists;

Why lament, then, O mind? I’m the same Self in all.

74.

If the mind and speech can’t reveal the Self,

How could the Guru’s teachings reveal the Self?

How could a Guru reveal with words

That Essence of existence, which is self/illuminating?

Good. [Repeats passage]

How could a Guru reveal with words

That Essence of existence, which is self/illuminating?

And 21 seems to be a popular section, let’s read the third paragraph.

You, also, are the One! Why don’t you understand?

[Laughter] [Reads passage again]

You, also, are the One! Why don’t you understand?

You’re the unchanging Self, the same within everyone.

You’re truly illimitable; you’re the all/pervading Light.

For you, how can there be any distinction between the day and the night?

[Repeats passage]

You, also, are the One! Why don’t you understand?

You’re the unchanging Self, the same within everyone.

You’re truly illimitable; you’re the all/pervading Light.

For you, how can there be any distinction between the day and the night?

Good.

So all these words must seem so approachable now, isn’t it? They don’t seem as abstract as they might have in the past, because we have seen these to be true now. It is so beautiful that a scripture like the Avadhut Gita, which many consider very esoteric or very difficult to understand, very abstract, now seem so approachable and beautifully relatable.

Oops, seems like I missed a large part of the chat. Where are we now? So Ustreamer30 says “16.” Okay. Yes, we’ll come back to this; we’ll see what the other comments are.

Atma says, “So funny reading it in this way. Super.”  Yes.

Rashmi says, “What numbers are typed? I got a phone call at the right time.”

Jyoti says, “Ustreamer862 was me, Jyoti.”

Amrita says, “Sorry, I joined in late. What are we reading?”

We are reading from The Avadhut Gita and all the participants are typing out the page numbers and we are reading without commentary today.

Jyoti says, “I like to read these kind of books randomly as you are doing.” Yes.

Rashmi says, “25”, yes we’ll get there.

Very good. So let’s catch up on the page numbers.

Ustreamer230 said ‘16’, which is the first one, if I’m not wrong. Yes.

The first paragraph of The Song of the Avadhut is:

Truly, it is by the grace of God

That the knowledge of Unity arises within.

Then a man is released at last

From the great fear of life and death.

I feel we can look at this a little deeper, and expand on what has been said in the translation.

It starts by saying: Truly, it is by the grace of God

If all of us were to look back, we will find that it is grace, which led to this Oneness, this understanding, this dropping of the person idea. It can be called the Master’s grace, Guru’s grace, or God’s grace alone. We will not find that there is something special in terms of the effort, in terms of the sadhana, in terms of all that was done here. It all seems like just a function of God’s grace itself.

That the knowledge of Unity arises within. So let me replace the word Unity and say Oneness. To realize this Oneness was God’s grace itself. To realize that there was no separation was God’s grace itself. And how is this to be realized? He says, Then a man is released at last.

So we can put it this way, that the person idea was released. The person idea was released and the union was seen to be true. Or the fact that the separation never ever really happened is seen to be true. That is all that is required to be seen, that the person idea is false.

From the great fear of life and death. Yes, so the person is in between these stages of life an death. And when it is seen that there is no person here anyway, there is no fear of death. What could die is mostly dead anyway. The idea has lost its power, so we can say that the death has already happened.

Maybe I feel to go a little forward on this.

All that exists in this world of forms

Is nothing but the Self, and the Self alone.

How, then, shall the Infinite worship Itself?

Shiva is one undivided Whole!

[Repeats passage]

All that exists in this world of forms

Is nothing but the Self, and the Self alone.

How, then, shall the Infinite worship Itself?

Shiva is one undivided Whole!

So it is clear right now, that all that is here is Awareness. This one undivided Self. And if all that is here Is awareness, then it must be from within this Awareness that this sense of Being emerges. Consciousness must emerge from Awareness itself. So all that is manifest, or unmanifest is the Self. And in this one Self, who is to worship who? Only the Self to bow down to itself.

‘Shiva is one undivided Whole!’ This Pure Awareness is the entirety of all. All is Shiva. All is the Self. All is the Absolute. Good.

Ajnani said, “60”. 60 is Sanskrit so we’ll take 61.

It remains unaffected,

Though It takes the form of earth, air, water and fire.

Though It takes all these forms,

It always remains the same.

Exactly what we spoke about right now, that Awareness is untouched through any phenomenal appearance in consciousness.  It is only the pure witnessing of all that is arising. There is nothing esoteric in these words. They are completely verifiable right in this moment. In this very moment, you’ll see that there is a witnessing of all that exists, and nothing that exists actually touches this witnessing. In the presence of this witnessing, the earth, the world, the universe, the multiverses are given birth. But the witnessing remains untouched by any of this contact.

So we can read these scriptures now with a completely verifiable perspective. You can check after every paragraph whether this rings true or not. And with this checking in, you will find that the author of this scripture is speaking on its own here anyway. The voice of your inner intuition, the Satguru in your own heart is the same one as the author of this scripture. So then the scripture just becomes a trigger for the conversation. For this divine communion actually.

Okay, so let’s scroll up. This was Aradhana’s, 21. Let’s go to 27. We did the first paragraph of 27 already, let’s do the second one.

If you see the world as other than the Self, can that be the experience of Unity?

If you see it as the Self, can that be the experience of Unity?

Good, so let’s look at this. ‘If you see the world as other than the Self’, so you look at the phenomenal appearance, and you say that this is not me. We approach it with a sense of duality. But how can it be that if all that it was, was Awareness itself, then this phenomenal existence must have come out of Awareness itself, isn’t it? It must be made up of the same quote unquote stuff.

And then they say, ‘If you see it as the Self, can that be the experience of Unity?’ So it is not enough to say that all of this phenomenon is me. Many beings get stuck over there. They have this forced attitude to see the world as themselves. And they miss the point that the pure witnessing of the world is prior to even the phenomenal existence of the world. The pure witnessing of the world is there before the phenomenal existence of the world, and hence I must be this pure witnessing within which this phenomenal world arises. Before separation means complete Oneness. That Shiva and Parvati are One ultimately. Which means that Awareness and Consciousness are ultimately One.

Very good. Where are we now? That was 27. Aradhana says “47.”

If it’s seen as both the Self and not the Self, Can that be the experience of Unity?

The true state of freedom is to see everything as One.

You have no mother, or father, or brother;

You have no wife, or son, or friend.

You have no attachments or non/attachments;

How, then, do you justify this anxiety of mind?

It’s completely self-explanatory.

You have no mother, or father, or brother;

You have no wife, or son, or friend.

You have no attachments or non/attachments;

How, then, do you justify this anxiety of mind?

Basically they are saying, drop all the rubbish of the mind.

Okay, let’s see if there were any more requests for the pages. And then we’ll read the comments. Page number “25” Rashmi says. And we’ve done this one in a previous Satsang, but it’s very beautiful.

O mind, why are you so deluded?

Why do you run about like a frightened ghost?

Become aware of the indivisible Self!

Be rid of attachment; be happy and free!

[Repeats passage]

O mind, why are you so deluded?

Why do you run about like a frightened ghost?

Become aware of the indivisible Self!

Be rid of attachment; be happy and free!

So these are the questions, which are pointing you still, although it might seem to refer to the mind. It might seem to refer to the mind, but it is only showing You as Pure Being itself, the nature of the mind. They say, ‘O mind, why are you so deluded?

Why do you run about like a frightened ghost?’ So it shows us the deluded nature of the mind and it’s fearful nature, it’s needy nature, it’s desperation. I’m sure the author was not expecting that on hearing these words the mind will change or the mind will get reformed. Because we have seen that that doesn’t happen. It can pretend for a little while, but all it knows is defend and attack. To be fearful and to be needy, to be angry and to be greedy. So then they say, ‘Become aware of the indivisible Self! Be rid of attachment; be happy and free!’ And that is why I said the instruction is not for the mind, because the mind cannot become aware of the indivisible Self. Only Awareness itself is aware of Itself. In the simple question, ‘are you aware now?’ we see that Awareness is completely aware of Itself. So he’s not referring to the mind. ‘Be rid of attachment; be happy and free!’ So this is again imploring the Being Itself, to rid Itself from this hypnosis of personhood. To let go of the person idea.

Alright, so there’s a lot of chat to catch up on. Okay, where are we?

Jyoti says, “So glad I woke up for this – very joyful!” Very good, very good.

All of you, some of you have woken up for this, some of you have not gone to bed although it’s too late, so we try to make it worth your while.

Clare says, “So beautiful.” Thank you my dear.

Stacy says, “Feeling of love pouring out of my heart. This is so wonderful.” Thank you, thank you.

Lizelle says, “Wonderful.”

Aryev says, “Yes.”

Stacy says, “Drowning in this. Can we read more?” Yes.

Atma says, “Yes, Father.”

Shanti says, “Page number 30 said just what was needed to be heard here.”

Jyoti says, “I love the very last paragraph, I remember being very happy when I read it the first time.”

Atma says, “It is very nice, yes.”

Bhagavatiji is here as well. She says, “Much love for you Ananta, and for the Song of the Avadhut.” Thank you so much.

Shanti says, “Everything is Grace, this I know now.”  [Repeats] ‘Everything is grace, this I know now.’  “So obvious when things happen and I am obviously not the doer. There are no limits to this Grace!” Yes.

Atma says, “Yes, death has already happened.” Oh we’re still there. Okay so I read that part quite a long way back.

Atma says, “It is so clear now Father, what you are reading now. All manifest and manifest is the Self coming from the Awareness itself.”  She says, ‘manifest and unmanifest.’ “Love you.” Love you too.

Kapil says, “Peer pressure of not being where others are, exposing it here.” Yes. It can happen in satsang like this where it seems like there is a lot of peer pressure because everybody is agreeing with these words. Everyone is saying that The Avadhut Gita has become now common sense, so simple. No? So this can completely seem like peer pressure, I completely understand this. But if you have this earnestness and integrity in your heart to expose like this, then you will not run away from the heat of this peer pressure also. Just be here and let this peer pressure, this feeling of inferiority in the sense of the ego, let it be exposed like this and soon you will see it will get burnt away and what will remain after this is a beautiful space. So all of this is good to expose and burn it in the fire of satsang. And I can tell you that if you are here for a few more days, it will be completely clear that this is complete common sense. There is nothing special being spoken about here. Because it is available right here, right now. So I would not say that if you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. I will instead say, if you can’t stand the heat and something is burning, then you make sure you stay in the kitchen. We are cooking your own ego, we are roasting your ego here. And there is no button, which will be left un-pushed in satsang. You will find that every button will get pushed in satsang and in seva. So in the presence of the Master, you will see that every button gets pushed. So my message to all of you is that, if you can’t stand the heat, make sure you stay in the kitchen.  [Laughing]

Ananya says, “Can I give another page number Father please?” Of course, of course you can.

Atma says, “What once seemed an abstract, now is approachable. Yes, exactly.

Prema says, “Yes, there is a witnessing of All that exists.”  Very good.

Atma says, “Divine Communion. Yes Father, That.” Very good. “Such a beautiful Satsang.” Yes. “Beyond.”  Beyond.

Zoe says, “So beautiful.” Zoe says, “Thank you beloved Father. Showing up all my mind-nonsense as laughable.” Very good, very good.

Aradhana says, “So powerful. Blessed to be hearing Satguru’s words this way.” Very good.

Zoe says, “Such stillness.”

Clare says, “Throwing all sense of authority and dominance and arrogance into the fire of love.” Very, very good. Very good. Thank you, very good.

Ananya says, “151.” Okay we’ll just look at that.

Rashmi says, “So happy to hear that.”

Kapil says, “Feeling better now. Thank you!” Very good.

Bhagavatiji says, “Definitely stay in the kitchen. This burning is the most beautiful burning, leaving nothing untouched. Leaving nothing.” Yes. What remains after everything can be burnt is burnt, that which remains is your True Self. Only the unreal can seem to be burnt. The real is ever untouched.

I feel like I’m a DJ today doing requests, so if there is a request, so if there is a request? 151 says,

In the Self neither delusion nor non/delusion arises;

In the Self neither desire nor desire-less-ness arises.

[Repeats passage]

In the Self neither delusion nor non/delusion arises;

In the Self neither desire nor desire-less-ness arises.

Yes. This is what we speak of the beautiful neutrality. No desire, no aversion. No delusion, no sense of non-delusion also. Awareness is untouched by the delusion. It does not even need to label delusion as delusion.

If there’s only the limitless One, all is Shiva…

If there’s only the limitless One, all is Shiva;

How can you think there is such a thing as indiscrimination or discrimination?

If all is one, then where is the concept of discrimination or indiscrimination? Good.

So, let’s see how the Avadhut Gita ends, actually. I don’t feel I’ve ever got to the end of it, so let’s see how it ends. So let’s read the last few paragraphs.

It says:

Continuously united with, yet free from everything.

The liberated are beyond all manifestation.

[Repeats passage]

The liberated are beyond all manifestation.

Indeed, how could there by any birth or death here?

How can one here meditate on either forms or formlessness?

 [Repeats passage]

‘Indeed, how could there by any birth or death here?

How can one here meditate on either forms or formlessness?

All this world is conjured by ‘magic’.

It’s only the water of a desert mirage.’

So he’s speaking of the play of Maya, or we call it Lila (Leela). Basically the phenomenal existence. ‘It’s only the water of a desert mirage.’ Beyond all differences, beyond all forms. This one if for Atma. Beyond all differences, beyond all forms. Truly there is only Shiva alone. Truly there is only Shiva alone. We are completely oblivious to everything. We are completely oblivious to everything. Completely untouched. So I would not use the word oblivious. I would say, we are completely untouched by the phenomenal movement of consciousness.  From the performance of duties to the attainment of liberation. Even the freedom, even the liberation does not touch Awareness, because Awareness remains untouched.  Liberation is only the understanding that I have always only been This. It is not something new that gets created.

How then could those who profess wisdom imagine that we possess either attachment or non-attachment?

‘How then could those who profess wisdom, profess wisdom, imagine that we possess either attachment or un-attachment?’

This is the last paragraph: In that state where one knows nothing at all…,

We have spoken about this often.

In that state where one knows nothing at all,

this versified knowledge doesn’t even exist.

 [Repeats passage]

In that state where one knows nothing at all, this versified knowledge doesn’t even exist.

So now while I’m in the state of samsara,

I, the Avadhut, have spoken of the Supreme Absolute.

So beautiful.

‘In that state where one knows nothing at all, this versified knowledge doesn’t even exist’. None of this ever really happened. ‘So now while I’m in the state of samsara’, meaning that in this Leela, in this play, in this dream it seems to be playing in this way. ‘I, the Avadhut, have spoken of the Supreme Absolute.’ Very beautiful.

And there’s an ending paragraph, which is more of a dedication I feel.

In this song of the Avadhut, composed by Shree Dattatreya.

In this Song of the Avadhut, composed by Shree Dattatreya, in this dialogue between Swami and  Kartika, called the Instruction on the Wisdom of the Self, this is the seven chapters.

Okay. So this is extracted from a longer scripture where this was the seven chapter, and it was a dialogue between Swami and Kartika. So maybe someone who’s more familiar with mythology like Aradhana could have a better idea of the origins of this scripture. By Shree Dattatreya.

So thankful for the presence of the Master here. It is Dattatreya Himself, which is speaking these words.

Rashmi says, “So glad of this burning. All the buttons being pushed.”  Very good.

Shanti says, “I had a fire on the stove top yesterday! Now I see this as symbolic that something, don’t know what got burned up.”  Yes.

Much love, Clare.

Atma says, “So beautiful and simple.”

Jyoti says, “Your Avadhuta is a different translation to the one I have.” This one is the Song of Avadhut, translated by S. Abhayananda. [Holds up cover of book].  It’s okay if the translation is different, as long as the essence can be made out and is the same it is absolutely fine.

Ananya says, “Shiva’s son, Kartika?”  Maybe, not sure.

Jyoti says, “Mine is from Sri Ramakrishna Math, Swami Ashokananda. But of course the essence is the same.”  Good.

So if someone has a burning question, we can look at it. If something is unclear, we can look at it. Otherwise, silence is good for the next ten minutes.

Ananya says, “Father, whatever attachments I had, even that was seen to be a passing thought, now it has absolutely no power here.”  Very good. “Surrendering everything at your feet.” Very good.

Thank you, Atma.

Aashoo says, “At times, giving away what one has would mean giving away your loved ones. I am fearful of this thought.”

It seems like when we let go of some attachments, it seems like we are losing something. But you see that, how are you holding them right now anyway? How were they yours anyway? So if it was a forced holding, then it was never truly yours anyway. And in the giving of space, you will find that automatically all that is yours gravitates towards you. We are speaking at the phenomenal level right now. We will see that in the giving of freedom, in the giving of space, all that is truly yours will gravitate toward you on its own. And if in the giving of space, the one that is not truly yours, or whatever is not truly yours will find the freedom to go wherever they would like. And in this freedom, they might decide that what they would like is your own presence.

So once the forced bondage, the forced bonds are cut, then the heart is allowed to gravitate in its own natural way. And like I said we are speaking at the very phenomenal level. Ultimately you will see that you’re the Pure Awareness of all of this movie. You’re not involved at the movie at all actually. But if it does seem like you’re the person in the movie, then in the movie also it’s completely fine to be completely open and to give all the space, which is possible. Because nobody wants to be in the false just because of some idea of bondage or some idea of togetherness. Togetherness must come form the heart. So leave the fear. You will come to the realization that your true nature is beyond all of this movie actually.

Lizelle says, “Some advice please Anantaji. I have been zipped up in my sleeping bag for a long time. Now God has built a yoga school two houses away from mine and they are asking me to teach meditation. What do you think? Maybe introduce some of this philosophy or just be quiet and sit with them?”

I would advise that you do exactly what I do. Don’t’ plan anything at all. Just show up if that is what your heart desires. Just show up and wait for the words to come from the Guru’s mouth. And you will see that although initially there might be some fear around this, there might be some fear of what others will think of you. But just trust the Guru, and you will find that the most beautiful words and the most beautiful actions are automatically flowing through you. And in this way, you will teach them the best, the most auspicious will happen in this way. So don’t worry about planning, what are you going to say. Just show up and wait for the words to show up in your mouth. And if no words are showing up in your mouth, then silence in any case is a very good option. Just witness whatever is meant to happen. Very good.

Clare says, “Offering up all cynicism and knowing. Thank you.”   Very good, very good.

Jayani says, “So grateful for the manifestation of technology. Been listening on my phone. No chat, but Here with You.”  Very good, Jayani. Great to have you with us.  “Too much love, too much love.”  Yes.

Clare says, “And all judgment.”  Very good, very good.”

And Lizelle says, “Went to ad break. Heard you say ‘just show up’.” Yes. “That’s all I needed.”

Just show up and wait for the Guru’s words to come to your mouth, and you will find that the Guru will use your mouth to speak what He wants to speak. This is exactly what happens in satsang every day. The Guru uses this body to convey what the Guru wants. The person called Ananta does not do anything at all. So wait for the words to come. Trust. Drop all fears about what others will think about you. Drop your own thoughts now. How can you be concerned about the thoughts of others? So trust the words that arise, and if now words are arising then in any case silence is a very good option. Very good.

Clare says, “Thank you for your beautiful words, crying.” Very good, big hug my dear.

Lizelle says, “That’s all I needed. Thank you.”  Very welcome.  “Too, too much love,” Too, too much love. “..too much peace, too much joy.”  Wonderful.  “Beautiful. So precious, thank you”

Thank you all so very much for joining in Satsang today.

[Namaste] Moojiji ki Jai!

Shree Dattatreya ki Jai! Avadhut ki Jai!

Om Namah Shivaya

[Ananta waves].

Sangha: Moojiji ki Jai! Anantaji ki Jai ! Thank you. Love you.

I feel we can read from the Avadhut Gita. The Song of the Avadhut by S. Abhayananda]. We can make it a little more fun. You can pick a page number from 16 through 160. Just follow your heart and we’ll read from those pages.

33. Let’s start with 33. Okay, so page number 33 says:

The subject and object are unseparated and inseparable.

That undivided One is you.

When this is so, when no “other” exists,

How could the Self be objectively perceived?

Okay, 67.

The space inside a jar merges in the space outside

When the jar is destroyed;

The yogi, when the body’s destroyed,

Merges into the universal Consciousness—his own true Self.

The mind is formless like the sky,

Yet it wears a million faces.

It appears as images from the past, or as worldly forms;

But it is not the supreme Self.

27

The one Reality is ever the same;

This is what all the wise men say.

Whether you embrace or renounce desires,

The one Consciousness remains unaffected.

Okay so 20 is only the Sanskrit, so let’s read from 21 once more.

I’m One; I’m all of this!

Yet I’m undifferentiated, beyond all forms.

How, then, do I regard the Self?

As both the Unmanifest and the manifest world.

‘How, then, do I regard the Self?’ was a question and the answer was

‘As both the Unmanifest and the manifest world.’

Good. 130.

Here, everyone is the same conscious Soul;

Here, everyone is the one eternal Soul.

Here, only the one undivided Soul exists;

Why lament, then, O mind? I’m the same Self in all.

74

If the mind and speech can’t reveal the Self,

How could the Guru’s teachings reveal the Self?

How could a Guru reveal with words

That Essence of existence, which is self/illuminating?

How could a Guru reveal with words

That Essence of existence, which is self/illuminating?

21 seems to be a popular section, let’s read the third paragraph.

You, also, are the One! Why don’t you understand? [Laughter]

You, also, are the One! Why don’t you understand?

You’re the unchanging Self, the same within everyone.

You’re truly illimitable; you’re the all/pervading Light.

For you, how can there be any distinction between the day and the night?

You, also, are the One! Why don’t you understand?

You’re the unchanging Self, the same within everyone.

You’re truly illimitable; you’re the all/pervading Light.

For you, how can there be any distinction between the day and the night?

Good. All these words must seem so approachable now, isn’t it? They don’t seem as abstract as they might have in the past, because we have seen these to be true now. It is so beautiful that a scripture like the Avadhut Gita, which many consider very esoteric or very difficult to understand, very abstract, now seem so approachable and beautifully relatable.

16

This is the first one, if I’m not wrong. Yes. The first paragraph of the SONG OF THE AVADHUT is:

Truly, it is by the grace of God

That the knowledge of Unity arises within.

Then a man is released at last

From the great fear of life and death.

I feel we can look at this a little deeper, and expand on what has been said in the translation. It starts by saying: Truly, it is by the grace of God

If all of us were to look back, we will find that it is grace, which led to this Oneness, this understanding, this dropping of the person idea. It can be called the Master’s grace, Guru’s grace, or God’s grace alone. We will not find that there is something special in terms of the effort, in terms of the sadhana, in terms of all that was done here. It all seems like just a function of God’s grace itself.

That the knowledge of Unity arises within. So let me replace the word Unity and say Oneness. To realize this Oneness was God’s grace itself. To realize that there was no separation was God’s grace itself. And how is this to be realized? He says, ‘Then a man is released at last’.

So we can put it this way, that the person idea was released. The person idea was released and the union was seen to be true. Or the fact that the separation never ever really happened is seen to be true. That is all that is required to be seen, that the person idea is false.

From the great fear of life and death. Yes, so the person is in between these stages of life and death. And when it is seen that there is no person here anyway, there is no fear of death. What could die is mostly dead anyway. The idea has lost its power, so we can say that the death has already happened.

Maybe I feel to go a little forward on this.

All that exists in this world of forms

Is nothing but the Self, and the Self alone.

How, then, shall the Infinite worship Itself?

Shiva is one undivided Whole!

So it is clear right now, that all that is here is Awareness. This one undivided Self. And if all that is here Is awareness, then it must be from within this Awareness that this sense of Being emerges. Consciousness must emerge from Awareness itself. So all that is manifest, or unmanifest is the Self. And in this one Self, who is to worship who? Only the Self to bow down to itself.

‘Shiva is one undivided Whole!’ This Pure Awareness is the entirety of all. All is Shiva. All is the Self. All is the Absolute. Good.

60 is Sanskrit so we’ll take 61.

It remains unaffected,

Though It takes the form of earth, air, water and fire.

Though It takes all these forms,

It always remains the same.

Exactly what we spoke about right now, that Awareness is untouched through any phenomenal appearance in consciousness. It is only the pure witnessing of all that is arising. There is nothing esoteric in these words. They are completely verifiable right in this moment. In this very moment, you’ll see that there is a witnessing of all that exists, and nothing that exists actually touches this witnessing. In the presence of this witnessing, the earth, the world, the universe, the multiverses are given birth. But the witnessing remains untouched by any of this contact.

So we can read these scriptures now with a completely verifiable perspective. You can check after every paragraph whether this rings true or not. And with this checking in, you will find that the author of this scripture is speaking on its own here anyway. The voice of your inner intuition, the Satguru in your own heart, is the same one as the author of this scripture. So then the scripture just becomes a trigger for the conversation. For this divine communion actually.

Let’s go to 27. We did the first paragraph of 27 already, let’s do the second one.

If you see the world as other than the Self,

Can that be the experience of Unity?

If you see it as the Self,

Can that be the experience of Unity?

Good, so let’s look at this. ‘If you see the world as other than the Self’. So you look at the phenomenal appearance, and you say that this is not me. We approach it with a sense of duality. But how can it be that if all that it was, was Awareness itself, then this phenomenal existence must have come out of Awareness itself, isn’t it? It must be made up of the same quote unquote stuff.

And then they say, ‘If you see it as the Self, can that be the experience of Unity?’ So it is not enough to say that all of this phenomenon is me. Many beings get stuck over there. They have this forced attitude to see the world as themselves. And they miss the point that the pure witnessing of the world is prior to even the phenomenal existence of the world. The pure witnessing of the world is there before the phenomenal existence of the world, and hence I must be this pure witnessing within which this phenomenal world arises. Before separation means complete Oneness. That Shiva and Parvati are One ultimately. Which means that Awareness and Consciousness are ultimately One.

If it’s seen as both the Self and not the Self,

Can that be the experience of Unity?

The true state of freedom is to see everything as One.

You have no mother, or father, or brother;

You have no wife, or son, or friend.

You have no attachments or non/attachments;

How, then, do you justify this anxiety of mind?

It’s completely self-explanatory.

Basically they are saying, drop all the rubbish of the mind.

25  It’s very beautiful.

O mind, why are you so deluded?

Why do you run about like a frightened ghost?

Become aware of the indivisible Self!

Be rid of attachment; be happy and free!

So these are the questions which are pointing you still, although it might seem to refer to the mind. It might seem to refer to the mind, but it is only showing You as Pure Being itself, the nature of the mind. They say, ‘O mind, why are you so deluded? Why do you run about like a frightened ghost?’ So it shows us the deluded nature of the mind and its fearful nature, its needy nature, its desperation. I’m sure the author was not expecting that on hearing these words the mind will change or the mind will get reformed. Because we have seen that that doesn’t happen. It can pretend for a little while, but all it knows is defend and attack. To be fearful and to be needy, to be angry and to be greedy. So then they say, ‘Become aware of the indivisible Self! Be rid of attachment; be happy and free!’

That is why I said the instruction is not for the mind, because the mind cannot become aware of the indivisible Self. Only Awareness itself is aware of Itself. In the simple question, ‘Are you aware now?’ we see that Awareness is completely aware of Itself. So he’s not referring to the mind. ‘Be rid of attachment; be happy and free!’ So this is again imploring the Being Itself, to rid Itself from this hypnosis of personhood. To let go of the person idea.

I feel like I’m a DJ today doing requests, so if there is a request?

151 says:

In the Self neither delusion nor non/delusion arises;

In the Self neither desire nor desirelessness arises.

Yes. This is what we speak of the beautiful neutrality. No desire, no aversion. No delusion, no sense of non-delusion also. Awareness is untouched by the delusion. It does not even need to label delusion as delusion.

If there’s only the limitless One, all is Shiva;

How can you think there is such a thing

as indiscrimination or discrimination?

If all is one, then where is the concept of discrimination or indiscrimination? Good.

So, let’s see how the Avadhut Gita ends, actually. I don’t feel I’ve ever got to the end of it, so let’s see how it ends. So let’s read the last few paragraphs. It says:

Continuously united with, yet free from everything.

The liberated are beyond all manifestation.

Indeed, how could there by any birth or death here?

How can one here meditate on either forms or formlessness?

All this world is conjured by ‘magic’.

It’s only the water of a desert mirage.’

So he’s speaking of the play of Maya, or we call it Leela. Basically the phenomenal existence. ‘It’s only the water of a desert mirage.’ Beyond all differences, beyond all forms. This one if for Atma [smiles]: Beyond all differences, beyond all forms. Truly there is only Shiva alone. Truly there is only Shiva alone. We are completely oblivious to everything. Completely untouched. So I would not use the word oblivious. I would say we are completely untouched by the phenomenal movement of Consciousness.  From the performance of duties to the attainment of liberation. Even the freedom, even the liberation does not touch Awareness, because Awareness remains untouched.  Liberation is only the understanding that I have always only been This. It is not something new that gets created.

How then could those who profess wisdom imagine that we possess

either attachment or non-attachment?

This is the last paragraph: In that state where one knows nothing at all…, we have spoken about this often.

In that state where one knows nothing at all,

this versified knowledge doesn’t even exist.

So now while I’m in the state of samsara,

I, the Avadhut, have spoken of the Supreme Absolute.

So beautiful. ‘In that state where one knows nothing at all, this versified knowledge doesn’t even exist’. None of this ever really happened.

‘So now while I’m in the state of samsara’, meaning that in this Leela, in this play, in this dream it seems to be playing in this way. ‘I, the Avadhut, have spoken of the Supreme Absolute.’ Very beautiful.

And there’s an ending paragraph, which is more of a dedication I feel.

In this Song of the Avadhut, composed by Shree Dattatreya,

in this dialogue between Swami and Kartika,

called the Instruction on the Wisdom of the Self,

this is the seven chapters.

Okay. So this is extracted from a longer scripture, where this was the seven chapters, and it was a dialogue between Swami and Kartika. By Shree Dattatreya. So thankful for the presence of the Master here. It is Dattatreya Himself, which is speaking these words.

Thank you all so very much for joining in Satsang today. [Namaste] Moojiji ki Jai!

Shree Dattatreya ki Jai! Avadhut ki Jai! Om Namah Shivaya

Namaste everyone, a very warm welcome to satsang today. Moojiji ki Jai.

If this is your first time in satsang, the way to ask questions is through the chat window and if somebody can let me know if the audio and video are fine then we can get started. Namaste.

We also have Garima and Ram with us today and a couple others of the Bangalore Sangha will also join us. So if a question comes up for any of you, just feel free to ask. Namaste. Namaste. Jyoti says ‘Yes, AV is perfect’.  Good. Good. Very good. Welcome, welcome everyone.

So what shall we speak about today? No topic? Turn the camera towards Garima? [Laughs]

So it must be said that: the Truth is that there is no Truth. That must be said like that. Because  any concept that we are believing is at best only a pointer towards Reality. Reality cannot be captured in any words. So even the most honest seeming person, if he’s  coming from a place of personhood then the base reliance is on the concept of  ‘I am a honest person’ but the personhood is still there. Hence, when we say ‘Why do good  people suffer? Why do bad things happen to ‘good people?’ then it is because, unless there is suffering, we will not get over this reliance on this lie that ‘I am a person’. We’re relying so much on this identification with the person; and it could be a honest person, it could be a good person but without this suffering there will not be the open-mindedness to come to the Truth of what we really are; and we’ll keep stuck in this play of Maya of the unreal.

Therefore we see that sometimes it feels like a lot of suffering comes to those who are such good …, but people.., people still. So people is the problem. Person equals trouble. As long as ‘person’ identity is there, trouble is bound to happen. And it is very good that this happens, because that is the room for the inquiry. It is very rare for the inquiry to happen without a slap from life. Without the suffering that life gives us it is very, very rare. In fact all of us can look back into our lives and see that there must have been some suffering that brought us to this; that created the open-mindedness to bring us to satsang. This must be true for most of us. So if it seems like it is the truth but still comes from a personal perspective, that is not the end of suffering. It is only true from a personal perspective. It’s too much reliance on concepts, and anything that needs reliance on concepts is ultimately untrue.

There is no room here for the mind to rely on any concept. So at best all these concepts also are pointers which are pointing you to your True Nature. Anything, anything that we can say is not true actually. Even the best sounding quotes are only pointers. So what stays here when we drop all reliance on all concepts? What remains when all concepts are dropped, about our own self, that is the imagined self or the person, or about any appearance in front of us? When all reliance on concepts is dropped, then what stays?

Okay, so let’s catch up on the chat as well.

Jyoti says, “Nothing is true. Truth is all there is.”

Soham says, “Yes absolutely. Suffering brought me to this.”

Cornelia says,” Yes, only suffering can do this.”

Ustreamer911 says, “Father, extreme suffering is happening last 3 days here. Only Awareness is doer for me.”

So you’ve given a very simple way to get you to the end of suffering. And because it might seem so simple, don’t allow your mind to tell you that it is trivial. The way to come to the end of all suffering is only to let go of your next thought. That is all that is required. We’re not even saying forever. We’re not even saying let go of all thoughts. Because time is also a concept. All we’re saying is let go of your next thought and then show me where suffering is. Don’t believe the monkey in your head and then show me where the suffering is. But if you give these words also to the mind and say ‘Okay mind, now, what do you say about this?’ then suffering will perpetuate.

Just let go completely, of your next thought. In this simplicity, all suffering can go now. Without this interpreter, called the mind, no suffering can stay. Of course pain can come. Pain is completely allowed. So if there’s pain, any sort of pain, as long as we’re not judging it, we’re not interpreting it, it is allowed to come and it is allowed to get   released. So unless you make something out of it with the mind it is not called suffering. There is no interpretation of pain as suffering. But if you resist pain, then that is what becomes suffering. So without believing a thought now, can you tell me where the suffering is?

Ustreamer911 says, “Extreme suffering is happening.”

It is very good that this suffering is happening because it is pointing you to your strongest identity. Maybe that’s why it is extreme. And I’m not being cruel when I’m saying that it is very good when that happens. It is a fact that it is very good because it is pointing you to what you are most identified with and unwilling to let go of. So what are we unwilling to let go of, suffering is pointing us towards that. What attachment still seems like it is the strongest.

[To Lizelle]: Namaste.

Ustreamer911 says, “There is no suffering right here now, there is great opening.”

This is very good that there is a great opening, but there’s an Awareness even of opening, isn’t it? So whether it is closed, whether it is great resistance and fighting or there is great space and opening, there is an Awareness of both these; which is untouched by any state. So I don’t want to leave you with just ‘a state’. Even an open state, I don’t want to leave you with just ‘a state’. I want to show you that what you are is untouched by any ‘state’. Because what you will say later is that ‘In the presence of satsang, there was great space, but when I went back into the world it seemed like again it started’. So I don’t want to give the mind even this much room. That is why I’m saying that the Witness is untouched by space or by closing. The witness is completely untouched by any ‘state’. Do you see this now? If this is clear to you then you will not even worry about what ‘state’ is present.

Jyoti says, “The greatest suffering I have seen is the belief that I am separate from God / Truth.”

At the root of all suffering is this belief that ‘I am a person’. The instant we say that ‘I am a separate person’ is the instant we’ve created a belief in the separation. And if there is separation, separation means suffering. Because ultimately it is a lie. Actually clearly it is a lie. Because we’re never able to say that the person is here. Where does this person live? What does it look like?

Ustreamer93 says, “What about pain after a three hour operation? Visited someone yesterday; feel sorry for her.”

That is why we said that pain will continue to arise. There is no body which will be free from pain. Even now, all of us, if you were to scan our bodies, you will find that some niggling pains are definitely there, even now. But they are below our attention. When you bring attention and scan the body then you see that pain is always there. So there is no body that will be free from pain. But the pain is also not a problem. I can say this much. Unless we believe the interpretation of the pain which is ‘Oh, I should not have this pain. My body’s unhealthy now. What is going to happen to me? I am becoming old.’ This is the voice of the interpreter.

The body is not saying any of this. This is all the mental noise which makes us resist the pain. We are left with the concept that there should be no pain. But if you were to get the darshan of pain without even interpretation, you will find that it is not a problem. And I know some of you might be struggling with this, to understand with your mind; and if it is not being understood that way, it’s okay. You can just let go of it. Just the simple point is that just don’t believe the interpreter’s voice about anything, including pain in the body. And then show me what you mean by suffering.

FB200 Jesse says, “Good morning. Namaste.”   Very good.

Jyoti says, “But this is untrue.”  The separation is untrue.

Ustreamer911 says, “Only peace is here now.”

So in one short instruction, even if you can call it an instruction, is the end of your suffering. The mind will refuse to believe that it can be this simple. It’ll refuse to believe that it can be this simple. But I tell you that all that is required to free yourself from suffering is only to let go of your next thought. And this is what all of us have been wanting, the freedom from suffering. And in this much simplicity it is clearly seen now.

So if there is a little openness in all the 27 plus 5-6 people that are here now, in the 33 Beings which are here now…, if there is even a little openness and there is a true desire to be free from this suffering forever, may these words be heard from the heart, these words that have been spoken from the heart, be heard from the heart and the next thought be dropped every moment. May there never be belief in the next thought. Then show me where suffering can be. Where can suffering lurk now?

Shanti says, “Lots of beautiful people there. Hello, Bangalore sangha!”

Stacy says,” I surrender to you, Father, any areas that are still being hidden here, any ways where my yes isn’t a pure yes. Whatever is hiding out, may it get found in your pure light.”

And what does surrender mean? ‘I let it go and I hand it over to you’. So now you must even forget that you typed any of this. It is done. It is handed over. Just forget about all of this. The pure yes, the impure yes, that you’ve said yes; all this is now gone because you have handed it over. What remains now without believing your next thought? And don’t look for a thought as an answer to this question. What remains now when you have let go of the next thought?

Sindhu says,” Namaste everyone.”  Namaste

Soham says, “Pain, pleasure, and all sorts arise, but they are not ‘mine’. As long as I know they are not mine, they cannot touch me.”

And what makes us believe that they could be mine? It is only belief in the thought that they are mine. So thought arises and we say ‘this is my thought’. An action happens through this body and we say ‘this is my action’. Disappearances arrive around us and we say ‘this is my life’. But this ‘my’, we can never find. ‘My thought, my action, my life’. But this ‘my’ we can never find.

Ustreamer835 says, “Am interested in politics and infuse good things out there. How to go about it, and bring in spiritually strong forces together?”   Very good

So you want to do something great for the world, do something good for the world. So I have a suggestion. The best thing you can do for the world…, because what the world ultimately wants, what each Being ultimately wants, is to be free from suffering, isn’t it? That is ultimately what everyone is looking for, irrespective of their situation, irrespective of any appearances in their lives, what they’re basically striving for is the happiness, the peace and joy, which means the freedom from suffering. So what can you do for the world? You can be the best role model for the world by freeing yourself from your suffering. And in that way the entire world will be blessed by your own Presence. And you will find that all actions are auspicious and they flow through you which brings so much beauty and joy to the world. But if you make it a personal mission, if you make it a personal ambition, then you will find that in the doership of it will come a lot of frustration, will come a lot of anger, will come a lot of resentment against the world that you’re trying to help itself.

Because in this realm of duality there will always be the dual opposites of good and bad, right and wrong, lies and truths. And all depends on the perspective or the belief system of the Being. So first you free yourself from your suffering. Come to the realization of your true nature. And then you will find that auspiciousness itself will flow through you. That would be my suggestion. And this does not mean, by the way, that some actions are happening, and the force of good in this world, that that should stop. Just don’t say that ‘I’ am doing it. This ‘I’ does not exist. Know that it is only an instrument of God which is being used in this way. Don’t cultivate the ‘helper ego’. It is another form of the ‘spiritual ego’ itself.

Therefore that is why it is called ‘selfless service’ which actually means ‘egoless service’, which is karma yoga.  Very good.

So FB201 says, “Bodies suffer a great deal but what we are cannot, yes? Our bodies stand in the rain, but our true nature never gets wet. This is what I was thinking of last night when I was laughing in the rain.”  Very good.

What a simple way to put the truth. Our bodies can get wet in the rain but the Witnessing or the Awareness is untouched by rain or shine. That’s very good. Very beautiful.

Jayani says, “Namaste beloved Anantaji and sangha.”  Namaste.

Ustreamer911 says, “Master I surrender this monkey business at your feet, thank you.” Very good. Thank you.

Once you surrender this monkey which has been sitting at your back, then nothing can touch you. Actually nothing has ever touched you, but it seems like that, in the play, that we seem to be carrying the weight of this ‘person’ on our backs.

Louise says, “Namaste, Father. A little late.”   No worries. Welcome. Welcome.

Ustreamer835 says, “Let the auspiciousness flow thru me as a channel and a role model. Thanks to you.”  Yes, very good.

So they it will be allowed, all auspiciousness will flow through your body-mind and even the concept of ‘me’ will fade. The concept of ‘me’ as body-mind will fade away. Very good. I feel that this is very important for all that are here to understand. Because there could be so much happening in the world, there could be so many events, so much duality that it can keep us distracted from our true nature for many, many life-times. And we say, ‘I want to bring the world to peace’. But I say the best way first is to bring yourself to peace. And then your Presence itself will bring more peace to all Beings that come in contact with you.

FB201 says, “Is the truth self-verifying? Meaning does it only flow out and not need any examination?”

The Truth is that you are Awareness itself. Pure, untouched seeing, the witnessing itself of all phenomena. So if you are the untouched witnessing of all phenomena, then is it possible for it to flow anywhere? Flow is a term that can be used phenomenally. The Truth is unmoved. The Truth is ever-present. The Truth is the only reality. Flow is only for the phenomenal existence which comes after the birth of Consciousness itself. So in the pure Seeing there is the birth of the pure Being. And after the birth of the pure Being come all the identification, and then the flow of this duality starts. So that is the way I would look at Truth versus flow.

So the next part of what FB201 says was, “…or do we simply stay as the examiner and let what comes come?”

But is there an entity there for the examiner? Is there a witness to the witnessing? The witnessing is here. That is clear to everyone. But is there someone who owns this witnessing? Is there an entity called ‘The Witness’ that holds this witnessing? Is there this examiner entity? And once you look into this question you will see that you were never an entity. You were not a noun. You were not a thing. All things arise within your own Being.

Stacy says, “Thank you so much Father, so simple as always.”  Very welcome.

Ah Ustreamer835 says, “Thank you so much for your [something got blanked out] rubs on us, [the joy or something got censored there] Let the same manifest, [something else got blanked out again unfortunately] each of us.”  Yes. Very good.

All that is required for you is to overcome your disbelief that it can be this simple. It’s like my Master says, in the story from the bible he says, someone said this to Jesus, no? That ‘Father I believe, help me overcome my disbelief’. Which is very beautiful. And if that is your true prayer you will find that your disbelief will dissolve in double quick time. And you will see that ‘I am at the end of my suffering now’. That is what we said, isn’t it? That in three simple phrases, in three simple instructions, all that a seeker could seek is available here now. We made it extremely simple for all of you.

So the first question a seeker would ask typically is: How do I rid myself of my suffering? And the simplest way to do it is just let go of your next thought. No practice, nothing, no understanding, no intellectual concepts, nothing at all; only let go of your next thought can end the journey which seems to last lifetimes. So this is the first question that a seeker would ask: How do I rid myself of my suffering?

Then you would say: Show me God, can you show me God? And I would say: Can you stop being now? And if you say ‘I cannot stop being now’ then this Being that you cannot stop is God. The ever present Being. Consciousness, the sense I am, whatever label you want to use for it. This is God, the ever-present Being.

And then still some of you might ask: How do I experience my true self? How do I experience my true self? And the simple question is: Are you aware now? And this awareness itself is your own true Self. So if there is openness you will see that in these three simple pointers is the end of even the seeker identity. And freedom itself is here.

Louise says, “Father I have a friend here with me tonight, he says he likes you.”

Very good. I have a feeling I like him too, thank you so much.

Amaya says, “Last thought that was believed was funny in a way, because it was seen that only the idea itself was believing itself. Both unreal.”

Yes. It is just this person idea which gets magnified every time we believe another thought. We make the person idea stronger and the person idea is the only idea that seems to get affected by even the belief in any thought.

Amaya says, “Couldn’t touch the real.”

Exactly. So the real witnessing, the pure seeing, the pure Awareness itself is actually untouched even if you believe every thought. It’s only that the person will end up in satsang crying that they are suffering a lot. The person can still never become the real. The real can never become a person.

FB201 says, “No doer, even of this typing. I see now what little I actually do.”

Little? Or nothing? If there is no doer then it cannot be even little; or if you say that ‘I am that Consciousness itself’ then you are the one doer of all. So you can either say all or you can say nothing. But little also we cannot say.

“I am just seeing the seeing.”

Yes. If you call this seeing a doing, then that much I will give you. But actually it is completely effortless. If we were to stop all effort, all effort is gone, the seeing still remains, isn’t it?

Yes Ustreamer835 says, “I was pushed into this satsang by my intuition.”

Very good, very good. And this ‘I’ will not leave. This ‘I’ will be seen to be non-existent and what this ‘I’ came in as, a person, will leave only as the Being itself. And that is why we call it the Sangha of Being. If there is some openness there, I can tell you that, now that you are here. And if you feel right within you to be part of some more satsangs, you will see that the ‘I’ will not leave satsang. The ‘I’ will be dissolved in satsang and what will be left will be only pure Presence itself.

Clare says, “Thank you for helping me to see how simple and natural and effortless Awareness and Being are.”   Yes. Very good.

It is very nice for me to be able to see you report like this. It is completely true, no? So when all effort is dropped, then effortlessly the Presence of Being is here, God is here; and then your true Self as pure Awareness is aware even of this Being. And if any of you have some trouble with the definition of God you can choose to call God anything; it could be the Being itself or if you choose to call God ‘the pure Awareness which is aware of Being itself’ that is also okay. We are not worried so much about definitions.

Kapil says, “Could you please say something about ethics, morals, right or wrong, responsibility. The person here uses these concepts very often.”

What I would rather do actually first is for you to explore where this person is; whether it exists or not. Because if we look at things from a personal perspective then we can actually debate all of these issues. We can actually debate all of these issues for many, many years. And the world is such, the world of duality is such that there will never be agreement in all Beings about one thing. There will always be dual ideas. What is good for one is bad for another. What is bad for another is good for the other. So I would rather not debate ethics, morality, responsibility. I would rather just point you to your own true nature, point you to your own true nature. And there we are one. And in that place, if we want to come there and then joke about some concepts, we can play with them. But for you, I would like to say: Just get to your own reality first; and from that perspective of your own true Self then if a question comes up about any of this, then I am happy to look at that. Is that okay for now?

And Kapil is showing us his serious side now. Kapil was the one, if you can all remember, who was making the jokes in the silent intensive. So without believing a thought, without believing a thought who are you now? Without relying on the crutches of thought to give your sense of identity, who are you now? So when I say discover your true nature, I am not talking about a ten year project. I am saying right now we can do this. Right now we can come to an understanding of your true nature. And then we can speak of any topic that you like.

Ustreamer194 says, “Namaste, Namaste, beloved Anantaji. There is an urge to discover my universal mission here. Please point me to it.”   Yes.

This seems to be the theme for today. It is very nice to see how automatically, without any intent, there always seems to be a theme, isn’t it. So today’s theme is there is an urge to discover my universal mission here. Your universal mission is to figure out that you are the originator of the universe itself. That the universe itself is born inside you. And once you realize that this is your true nature, then all things which flow through this body-mind will be so beautiful. The universe will be blessed by this. But as long as we make it a personal mission, and we said this earlier, if we make it a personal ambition then we are just perpetuating the ego in another way.

The world wants to be free from suffering. The universe wants to be free from suffering. So the best thing you can do for the universe is to come to the realization of your true nature and become free from suffering. The whole world will be helped by this. And again I am saying that this is not contradictory to any actions you might want to take to help the world; all that can flow. But if you want a true mission, then make that mission to come to your true realization, which is available right now.

Kapil says, “There is no answer, difficult to put into words.”

Yes and there is something which is aware of this difficulty, isn’t it? So are you a part of the content what is appearing, which may seem difficult or easy, or are you the witnessing of the content? It is that simple actually. In this question you can come to your true position. Can you ever be a part of the content which is appearing in the waking state or the dream state, or are you just the witnessing of all of this content?

Louise says, “Anantaji, my friend says, ‘I don’t know who I am’ to the question about ‘Who you are without thought?’ He says, ‘I feel lost’.”

It is very good. In the first satsang, if we can come to the point of ‘I don’t know’…, because so many years we have been clear that ‘I am this person’ but in one satsang itself if you can come to the point of ‘I don’t know, I can’t seem to find this person’, that itself is very, very good actually. Because we have…

[Are we still connected? Did it come or did it go. I see there are lights on the outer. We seem to have some electrical issues today. So we are still connected, alright.]

So your friend said ‘I don’t know who I am’. He said ‘I feel lost’. Yes. And you can help him in this phase when he is feeling a little unstable. Because what we have done is we have unleashed him from the concept of personhood and he is learning to fly now. And when he is learning to fly, initially it seems a little unsteady. It seems like ‘I have lost the ground beneath my feet, I am feeling lost’. So Louise can help you through this phase as well. And it is very natural for this to happen. But don’t resist this ‘I don’t know’ state. Just be open that ‘Okay, I have come to this point of not knowing who I am’.

So there was this point where we carried the mis-belief, we carried the belief that the sun rises from the west. And now you are at a point where you are saying that ‘I don’t know actually. I am not so sure anymore that the sun rises from the west’. And soon you will see the truth. Soon you will see the truth that it is only the west where the sun comes from. Don’t resist this ‘I don’t know’ stage, it is very good.

Ustreamer194 says, “Advertisement popped up, Anantaji. Couldn’t hear your words here.”

Okay, so there is a recording which can be seen also; and it is sort of the unwritten law of satsang that if you don’t have Ad-blocker…, (there is actually a plug-in called Ad-blocker which you can put onto your browser and you won’t see the ad). But it always happens that if you don’t have Ad-blocker, when I am answering your question it is only then that the ad will come. It’s a Ustream conspiracy. [Laughs]. So what you can do is you can either see the recording, or if you feel strongly, you can just type out the question again and we can look at it here.

So Shanti says, “I realize I have nothing important to say. It always seems to be a lie or tinged with personal bias. Wanting to say nothing at all.”  Very good.  “After this.”  Yes. Very good.  “Until it just comes out without the thinker thought.”  Yes.

You will find that as you let go of all these thoughts, a deeper intuitive voice will use your mouth to speak, and you will have no idea what it’s going to say. And initially it might seem a little unsteady when his happens, there might not be complete trust; but just trust this and you will see that it is the voice of the Satguru itself which is speaking through your mouth.

Jyoti says, “Louise, your friend is very blessed to have you as a friend.”

Yes, very good. All your friends are very blessed to have you as friends. Very good.

Shanti says, “Leaving this with you, Master.”

Yes, very good. Very wonderful to say that ‘I have no words left now’. Very good.

Ian sends his love to Garima. She says ‘same / same’.

Ustreamer194, “Much love.”

Louise says, “He kissed the screen and said thank you.”

Very good, big hug to him as well, very good.

Ustreamer835 says, “Full attention living is loving.”

Thank you so much. Full attention. And what do we need to do to have this full attention? This pure awareness needs no effort actually. In the dropping of effort you will find that this pure Awareness is what dwells here. And the Beingness or the universe is born inside this pure Awareness itself.

Amaya says, “Grateful, grateful. No separation ever possible. Thank you. Since Atma is not here we will say ‘BEYOND’ for her.”   Yes. Very grateful to you too my dear.

FB201 says, “I have spiritual arrogance, I think. What do I do?”

Just to be able to say this means that it is already dented, isn’t it? The spiritual ego is already dented, irreparably, just to even have this conclusion. Because the one with spiritual ego does not say ‘I have spiritual ego’. He only says that ‘I am the only custodian of truth. None of you know what you are talking about, I am the only custodian of truth’. That is the voice of the spiritual ego. The spiritual ego cannot say ‘I seem to have this spiritual arrogance, what do I do?’ This itself is very beautiful. And the medicine is the same for all ego, the medicine is the same. Just stop nourishing your thought with any belief. It is our attention and belief to thoughts that create this false persona, create belief in the false personality.

So the medicine for all ego is to just withdraw your belief from it, then you will find attention also goes on it’s own; and you will soon find that only freedom remains. But to be able to expose in this beautiful way is already a great start. To be able to say ‘I have spiritual arrogance’ itself is beautiful. But now do not make it a badge of honor. Don’t add this to your ego saying ‘Oh, I exposed something special’. Just keep letting go of your thoughts and all this will seem like a distant memory. The person idea itself will seem like a distant memory. And you will laugh, or you will not even believe that you could ever believe yourself to be just a mere set of ideas, a mere set of beliefs.

Jayani says, “Mind still says ‘I can’t believe it is so simple’. I give this to you.”

It is all nonsense. Yes. Don’t expect to change the mind. You cannot change your mind. The mind will only say this kind of nonsense. Don’t expect any sense from one that has none. Don’t try to reform the mind. It is the mind’s nature to attack and defend. To resist reality, to resist what is, is the nature of the mind. So don’t try to change your mind, just be free from your mind. Withdraw belief from the mind.

Jayani says, “So grateful, so much love.” So much love to you too.

Stacy says, “Just bliss of being here. Awareness of this beyond.”

Very good. We are also so happy you are here. And this must be very early in the morning for you. Thank you so much.

Shanti says, “Om namah Shivaya. Love love love.”  Om namah Shivaya.

Kapil says, “There are glimpses, but as soon as I try to say ‘got it’ it is lost.”  Yes.

Therefore you must drop this inclination to proclaim anything. Drop the inclination to proclaim anything. No need for any proclamation of whether there is some getting it or not. Even that is just a thought. There is nothing to get actually. This is the dropping of all effort. Dropping implies that we must do something and get something. This is the dropping of all effort. So, just as with any other thought, you would let go of this thought also.

You are already the Self. We are not making you into the Self. Self-realization is only the understanding that ‘I have always been this pure awareness’. It is not that we are going to make you pure Awareness from something else. That is impossible. You have never actually become the person, you have only been Awareness. Right now, can any of you become the person and show me? Just become the set of ideas and show me how you can become a person. You can only imagine or pretend. And that is why it is said that the truth will prevail, because the truth is always true. You can never become the false one.

Jayani says, “Only this.”  Very good.

Meera says, “Love, love, love Father. You look so nice today.”  Thank you so much.

Stacy says, “Yes, better than sleep. Just grateful to be here, thank you.”   Very good.

Ustreamer835 says, “Awareness, saying I am. Awareness junta hain. Saying I am.”

Yes. At some level you can say that actually. It is true because Awareness has never really become ‘I am’. ‘I am’ is just an appearance. And the appearance was never real. But it is not that Awareness was saying it. It is that there is a Presence here or Beingness, and the mind is saying that ‘This is I am’. How does the Awareness say something? That is what I got out of what you said; I am not sure what you meant.

Kapil says, “Thank you.”  Very welcome.

Soham says, “Father, this contentment cannot be put into words. Even the word contentment doesn’t describe it. No worry, no fear. Thank you for your grace. So much love.”   So much love to you, too. Very good.

FB201 says, “Thank you so much, Guruji. Feels like a game has been played.”   Yes, feels like a game has been played.  “Have been identifying with what comes. Turning the other way in your name.”    Very good, very good. Very beautiful, very good.

So the instant we identify ourself with an appearance…, and if we say any part of the content is me or mine, then we are stuck in that very instant.

Jyoti says, “Thank you, dear Anantaji. The truth prevails.”   Very good.

And Louise says, “Thank you, Anantaji, Max and Lou.” Welcome Max. So great to have you with us. Very good, very good.

Amrita says, “It’s a Hindi word ‘goonj’.”

The resonating sound, pure Awareness itself then resonates as Beingness. Yes yes. Thank you for clarifying that, very good.

Cornelia says, “Thank you beloved Anantaji.” Very welcome.

Jayani says, “Missed online live satsang this week. Truly divine to be here in satsang. Your words are the song of the heart. Song of my heart.”  Yes.

Thank you so very much. Thank you all for joining us in satsang today.

Moojiji ki Jai.  [Namaste]. Very good. So much love to all of you.

Wonderful satsang, thank you. Bye, bye. [waves].

Sangha:  Moojiji ki Jai.  Anantaji ki Jai.  Thank you. Love you.

Namaste everyone. A very warm welcome to satsang today. Moojiji ki Jai.

Thank you all so very much for joining in. And if this is your first time in satsang, the way to ask questions is through the chat window. And unless I hear otherwise I will presume that the video and audio are working fine. Ian says, “It is working great.” Okay wonderful. Wiebke says, “Namaste. A/V is perfect.” Okay, good, good, good. Namaste. Welcome, welcome everyone, welcome. Very good.

So happy to see all of you here. In fact after yesterday’s satsang there was a feeling that if there are never any more words spoken through this mouth, it is still fine. But obviously God’s plan was not that, so we are back here again. But there is a wonder about what else could be left now, what is unsaid now, what can be unclear now for at least most of you who have been in satsang for some time. And this does not mean that if something is unclear you don’t expose it, or if there is a sense of judgment about it being unclear. There is just a sense of wonder because I feel it is so simple now. I feel that it has been made so simple now, that it is possible in any moment to completely rid oneself of the false belief.

In this moment how many of you feel completely free? Just in your heart, in this moment how many of you feel completely free? And we can say yes. If we feel free completely, we can say yes.

Very good, Jyoti says, “Yes.”

Vive says, “Yes.”

Amaya says, “Hand is raised. Yes.” Very good.

Wiebke says, “Yes.”

Meera says, “Yes.”

Cornelia says, “Yes.”

Aradhana says, “Yes.”

Marcel says, “Yes.”

Ian says, “Even free seems like a concept these days.” Very good, very good.

Louise says, “Have to be honest Father, no.”  Very good, very good. We will speak some more about this.

Very good. Sindhu says, “Yes, there has been a very deep silence and freedom.” Very good. Very good.

So happy to see this. And full marks to Louise for having the courage, in this borage of yes’s, to come and say that ‘Honestly it is not feeling that way’. Very good.

And if there is a feeling of bondage there must be a belief in bondage. Bondage requires belief. Freedom means letting go of all belief. That’s why as Ian said ‘Not freedom as a concept’… that ‘I as a person am free’. Just freedom as a clear seeing that bondage is just not possible. So if any of you feel that the answer is not ‘yes’ yet, then we can look at the belief which seems to cause this bondage. In what way are you bound? And I know for some of you the answer will not be completely clear the instant the question is asked, but I still feel it is a good inquiry for you to introspect and see: In what way am I really bound? So we can share. Then we can look at whether that bondage is real.

Clare says, “Hello.”

Cornelia says, “Have to take care of my family and my son. No boredom and great challenges.” Yes.

All this will flow through on it’s own without the need of the mental interpretation.

Rashmi says, “Was inquiring, bound by the thoughts in and out.”  Yes.

So the only way we seem to get bound is by our thoughts, which once believed in become our beliefs. But even with all the thoughts; if they were to be believed, what really gets bound? Can we find that one? Who is the bound one?

Zurim says, “The first time there is the feeling of everything is okay, due to a clear recognition that ‘I have always been this’. But right now confusion and trying are present. Something is changing.”

And there is an awareness of even this change. And is this awareness changing? The awareness of the change, is this awareness changing? Only the content which is appearing, only that is changing. So are you identified with the changeful or the changeless? That is the question, no? What are you identifying with? Are you identifying with what is changing, which is appearing in front of you?  Or are you identifying with the awareness of it, with the watching of it, the pure seeing of it?

And if you were to just check in for an instant, you will see that ‘I cannot be this content which seems to be playing in front. I must be the ever-present watching of it’. But if we want something in the content to become free, something in the appearance should change, then you are setting yourself up for failure because nothing in the content is constant. The constant is only you, the watching of all the content. And quickly we can see if this is true or not. All the thoughts are constantly changing, all the emotions are constantly changing, the world around us is constantly changing but is the awareness changing? Is the witnessing changing? And if it seems simpler we can start by asking: Is the witness changing?

Rashmi says, “But a space seems to be opening up for sure.”  Yes, and she says, “So feel like Zurim.”  Okay.  “Sometimes there is a realization that too much effort is being put, once the effort is dropped everything is okay.”

So let’s look at this, how much effort is too much? Any effort is too much actually. So when we are saying just look, it means drop all trying for a moment and just see what is here. And seeing is not an effort because you cannot turn it off. Effort means to do something which is not in the natural state. But in the natural state there is only seeing, the pure awareness, and being the pure consciousness. This seeing and this Being does not require any effort. So all effort is actually too much. No effort is required to see or to be.

Zurim says, “Yes, this is what happens. I still identify myself with the content and trying to change it.”

Yes. That can be the only trouble actually. So what you are saying is that the only trouble is this; and this is the only trouble possible actually.

Louise says, “Father I think that is what is happening. When certain content and reactions come up it is felt or thought as bondage. Not sure.”

It is not bondage. Because certain content and emotions and any type of content can always come. Consciousness is completely free to create any content in any moment. But how does the content bind you? How does the content ever bind you?

Prema says, “Feeling sad that the identity of being a person who wants to please everyone is still here.”

Okay, so if ‘the identity of being a person who wants to please everyone’ is still here, does that still bind you? So what it appears to be is that there is an appearance of this body-mind organism who is conditioned to please everyone. How does this appearance bind you? How does it even touch you? So again, we are wanting to change the content. It is like going to the movie and saying ‘I want to change the script’. Can the watching, can the watcher ever change the script of the movie? So what is here effortlessly? Can we see what is here effortlessly?

Zurim says, “But in this, there is a burning, I guess. So many years seeking are getting burnt and this is transforming itself into real understanding.”  Very good.  “The seeing does not change.”

Aradhana says, “Ananta, you missed Louise and my comment on the thread. Much love.”

Okay let me see. So we saw when Louise says ‘Have to be honest Father, no’. Then Aradhana said ‘Seeing is clear that, as Awareness, the content is appearing’. Okay my chat window is stuck.

Aradhana says, “Seeing is clear that, as Awareness, the content that is appearing is not me, hence not bound. Have always been free; experientially, not conceptually.”

So we read this? I seem to remember reading this, I’m not sure if I read it out aloud or not but this is very good. And to say ‘experientially’ is very good. Because the conceptual understanding, while it might seem useful initially, is actually meaningless because the seeing is so much simpler than the intellectual understanding.

Louise said, “Father, I think that is what is happening. When certain content and reaction come up it is felt or thought as bondage. Not sure.”  Yes. It only seems like bondage.

Louise says, “Guess it is not the content, but a belief or identity still with the one not wanting the contents.”

So, you’re identifying with someone who wants to control what comes up for you. But there is no one who can control what comes up for you. Consciousness is doing all of this according to it’s will, and Awareness is completely untouched by all of this content. So, if we can find the one who would like things to be a certain way, and not be another way, then we can give it a sense of reality. But before finding this one, we can only say that all this seems to be just playing out. But I-as-Awareness am untouched by any of this.

Marcel says, “Pure effortless seeing.”  Very good.

So, in this moment, right now, if you were to not put any effort…, because ‘effort’, the way we say the word, it seems like a choice that you can make…, so if you were not to put any effort, then what is here without any effort at all? When all effort is dropped, what remains? And see for yourself, and type out the answer: What remains when all effort is dropped?

Aradhana says, “Thank you so very much.”  Thank you, my dear.

And you can point out if there is something I still missed out, or if something requires more explaining you can type it again.

What stays when all effort is dropped?

Prema says, “Only the seeing remains, and peace.”  Very good.

So we’ll wait for the others also.

Aradhana says, “Just Being remains, and the clear seeing of this.”  Very great.

Jyoti says, “Peace remains.”  Very good.

Wiebke says, “I”.  Just ‘I’

Clare says, “A sleepy energy is here.”

So, this sleepy energy; who is the witness of this sleepy energy? So the sleepy is there because it is very early in the morning for you. But is the witnessing of this sleepy energy touched by this energy?

Ustreamer53 says, “Sorry for being late.”  No worries.  “Namaste. Only Being and seeing.”  Yes.

If you see this, then you are not late. If this is your experience, then you cannot be late because all is completely clear for you.

Zurim says, “Peace and silence remains.”   Good.

And who is aware of this peace? So, if there was noise, then there would be an awareness of that noise; if there is peace, there is an awareness that there is no noise. But is the Awareness touched by noise or no noise?

Rashmi says, “Witnessing of this character trying hard.”  Yes.

It could be an addiction to trying hard, an addiction to spirituality actually. So the person idea seems to have fed off of a lot of seeker ideas; and when it is said that ‘Just drop the effort’ it seems like it just keeps going. But there is no problem with this, because if you’ve withdrawn the energy from it…, like you say ‘The seeing is there but this character seems to be trying hard’…, which is okay. It is like saying, like Bhagavan [Ramana Maharshi] said ‘It is like you’ve turned off the power from the fan, but it will still go round and round for a while until it completely goes away’. So don’t be so constantly interested in how fast the fan is rotating now. You don’t have to, every moment, check ‘Okay, has it stopped? Has it stopped?’ because that itself means interest; and that itself will keep it going. Let the fan do whatever it wants. Let the character do whatever it wants. You stay as the witnessing itself.

Cornelia says, “I don’t know.”  Very good.

Sindhu says, “Just here. Just this. Can’t describe.”

Cornelia says, “No name.”   Yes, very good.

So we cannot truly name what remains. All names are inadequate. But we can point in the general direction. And those who know what you’re speaking about will be able to point out that you’re pointing in the right direction. So nobody is expecting the right answer, just a pointing in the right general direction. Good.

Rashmi says, “Thank you.”  Thank you, my dear.

Louise says, “Peace. And many thoughts, and a dropping of attention to them. Bit of an effort, though?”

Let me read what she said again. ‘Peace. And many thoughts, and a dropping of attention to them. Bit of an effort, though?’ It seems only that it is an effort.

So, think of it like a conveyor belt, and you’re used to picking every bag off the conveyor belt. So, the conveyor belt of the mind is moving, and on that, every bag is a thought. And because we seem to have been in a rush to take out every bag because we believed that the bags were ours, we took out every bag from this conveyor belt. Yes? Then someone says that ‘All these bags are not yours. Let them just come and go’. So initially it might seem like an effort to stop picking up the bags, because we are so strongly habituated to running after every bag and picking it up. So it might seem like it is an effort to stop, but actually you must see and tell me what is an effort? Is it an effort, or a dropping of effort? Because the analogy is very close to what is really happening, that in the conveyor belt of the mind all these bags are coming, and we are saying ‘Don’t pick them up. They are being taken care of’. So because of our habit, it seems like an effort to not pick them up; but you will see the effort. It will become very difficult to pick up after you see that it is effort to pick up. You will feel that it is effort to pick up.

Zurim says, “There is no observer of this emptiness.”  Yes.

There is no ‘observer’ but there is an observing that there is emptiness, otherwise you would not be able to report that there is emptiness. So Awareness, being aware of itself, is the only non-phenomenal experience. You know that you are aware now. Can anyone else know that you are aware now? No. But you know that you are aware now. What is this that knows even awareness? Is it not Awareness itself?

Prema says, “I let the fan do whatever it wants.”  Very good.

Amaya says, “Awareness, Is-ness, spaciousness.”  Very good, very good.

Clare says, “No interest, and everything is okay.”  Very good.

So, like you said the other day, that living without being plagued by this interpreter is so beautiful. And anytime we seem to be in some trouble, we see that it is only because of the interpreter.  Good.

Wiebke says, “It seems like grace takes more and more over….,”  Yes.  “….and just seeing of all condition takes place.”  Very good.  “And even when identification with person happens during the day, there is no problem at all.”  Yes.

This is so true. So even if identification happens, it is not that something really changes. The real is constant. It does not change. Awareness is untouched.

Rashmi says, “Sometimes there is a sense that every phenomenon is in me, like a child of me.”  Yes.

Can be ‘in me’ because it seems to arise from me itself, and without me it does not exist; so it seems like we are the entire universe. In fact, we are That in which the entire universe is born. It can seem like that. But the trouble is when we get attached to any phenomenon. If we attach to a phenomenon and say ‘This is me’ or ‘That is mine’ then that is the trouble that comes. When we specifically attach to any phenomenon and say ‘This is me’ or ‘That is mine’ then that is when the potential for trouble arises. But generally, if we were to say ‘All this is me’ then I see no problem with that.

Lucian says, “There is a reluctance to affirm things. Don’t quite know if this is some resistance or just a lack of interest. A little sadness is there, maybe from all the times I tried to prove things, tried to be perfect.”

‘There is a reluctance to affirm things’ and this is fine. This is fine. As you get more and more in touch with reality, you will find that there is no need even to proclaim anything or to affirm anything.

‘Don’t quite know if this is some resistance or just a lack of interest’. Whatever it might be, you let it be. But you will see that the awareness of even this is untouched by this. ‘A little sadness is there’ and that can also be allowed, that’s absolutely fine. ‘..maybe from all the times I tried to be perfect’.  So like somebody else also asked yesterday, there seems to be some sadness or depression which seems to come up sometimes. In some cases it can happen like this. But even that can be allowed to just come and go. No resisting, no fighting. And you see that without your resistance, it will not last. Without your interest in whether it is there or not, it will not last.

So, all that can bother us is if we attach to a particular piece of content. Can you tell me any example of when this is not true? When we attach to a piece of content saying ‘This is me’ or ‘mine’ that is when the trouble starts. And when the trouble starts, it should also be looked upon as grace because it is pointing you to what is still being attached.

Very good, we just said this.

Cornelia says, “Now is silence, but my teenage boy will find a hidden button to push.”

Because we just said that even when the trouble starts, we must look at it as grace, because the trouble is pointing us toward showing what is still attached, what is still believed. Without this trouble we would be oblivious to what we are still repressing, what we are still denying. Therefore it is pure grace that this trouble also comes.

Clare says, “No!!”  … very emphatically, but I’m sorry, I’ve forgotten what the question was. [Laughs]. Was there a question to which you said no? Oh, yes, yes, yes. So it was about whether any trouble is possible without attaching to the content. Nice.

Okay, Ajnani says, “Sometimes sadness, but no attachment to any phenomenon anymore.”  Wonderful.

All of you are speaking such beautiful words that they are scripture itself. That’s why we say that scripture will be spoken as if it’s just general common sense actually. You will find that there is nothing special about the words in any scripture because it will seem like all common sense. They will read like beautiful words, but you will see that they are all verifiable in this very moment. No effort is required.

Cornelia says, “Yes, thank you.”  Very good.

Clare says, “I can’t remember.”  Very good.

There was that question about whether any trouble or suffering can come without calling a specific part of the content which is appearing as ‘me’ or ‘mine’. So anything which is causing trouble for any of you right now, it is showing you that there is an attachment or a mis-belief. When we see this, we should not deny it, we should not brush it aside. We must have a look at it and see: Who is the one who is suffering from this? Who is the one who is attached? Is this one real? And in this quick inquiry, you will see that it will dissolve more and more, and it will be transcended.

Yes, Clare says, “I’m still attached to energies.”

‘I’m still attached to energies’. It’s very good that you expose this, because it is getting subtler and subtler now, isn’t it? So we were talking about attachment, seemingly external attachment; now we can see that there is internal attachment also. It could be that there are positive energies or some energies which still take our attachment. But this attachment is also a very unstable state. Then what happens is, when you’re feeling some positive or nice energies, we’ll want to put up a wall of defense; that this must not change. And the minute we say ‘This must not change’ in that minute we start inviting all sort of attacks to this concept. Because everything that appears will change. All phenomenon is changeful, and that is how suffering can come, even with this attachment to subtle energies.

So enjoy everything of the show. I’m not saying run away from any energy. I’m saying just experience everything as part of the show, but don’t attach, or don’t have an aversion. See that you are untouched by all of this, including the energies.

Is there anyone who has been in satsang for a few days, but still feels like it is too abstract or too difficult? I would like to hear from you so I can meet you where you are, and then we can move forward together. So is there anyone here…? And don’t worry about any peer pressure. Just come out and say. So if anyone is here who has been with us for a few satsangs but still feels like it’s not clear what is being said; the words just seem too difficult or too conceptual or abstract, you can come and say, and then we will meet you where you are.

Meera says, “Father, Just feel like sharing this. There was a lot of doership identity before, ‘I should do this, that, Why me, I need to take care of this and that’ etc…, and that was the cause of suffering for me.”  Very good. No, not ‘very good’ but very good that you identify this.

Meera says, “…as there was so much resistance to how life was unfolding. There is so much peace now as the doer ship identity is dropping.”  Very good.  “Even if it arises, it won’t affect me.”  Very, very good.

Meera says, “Thank you.”  Thank you, my child. “Thank you, Father,” she says, “Thank you for pointing again and again about our true nature. So much love and gratitude. Tears of joy.”   Thank you so very much, my dearest one. So much love. Very good.

Clare had said, “Thank you.”  Thank you, too, my dear.

Kapil says, “This is my second time. Seems I am getting some and missing some.”

Yes. It’s already very good for you, the second time. Very good. So, we can ask a question: What knows…, that something is being understood and something is not yet completely understood? What sees even this? It must be you because you are able to report from there. You are able to say that ‘I am understanding something, and I’m not understanding something else’. So you know this because there is an awareness of this. Let’s see if this much is clear? You know this because there is an awareness of this.

Amaya says, “For new people: If we hadn’t asked, and been here a while, the freedom would not have been so [fully] here now. Seemed even impossible, but so easy by now.”  Good, good.

I see that it is very easy, it is very accessible, it is very approachable. It is very true what Amaya says, that initially it can seem a little abstract, it can seem a little difficult, but these concepts are difficult only for the mind. It seems difficult only because it is completely simple, and the mind does not do very well with extremely simple things. It likes things which are complicated. If you give the mind a complicated set of practices to do, it will be very happy because then it will have a 10 year plan. You know, if I were to lay down a program and say ‘For the first year, you do this set of practices. Another year, you do another set, more difficult. You’ll get better and better and better, then in year 10 you’ll be completely free’…, the mind will be the happiest one. Because it’s got a 10 year plan, and it can avoid the present moment, it can avoid the now. But in the now, there is no space for the mind; there is no room for the mind to do anything at all. And that is why it wants to distract you and keep you away from the now.

Kapil says, “That’s clear. Thanks.”

So, this awareness which is there, which knows all of this, which is the witness of all of this appearance, are you separate from this awareness in any way? What is the distance between you and this awareness?

Amaya says, “And not that much ‘time’ even…”

Yes, yes. If there is openness, it does not even require much time.

Amaya says, “Yes, now only.”

Yes. The truth is now only. The mind is always speaking about the future or the past, but the truth is now only.

Kapil says, “Feeling light, and don’t know why, feel like laughing!”   Very good.

Yes. If the ‘person’ is being let go of, when the imagined one here on our back is thrown away, then there is so much relief and laughter that can come.

Lucian says, “Can you please help me right now dis-identify from the interpreter forever? As I am typing, I feel radiance.”   Very good.

In your desire to hand it over, it is already done. You hand over this interpreter to me; since anyway you cannot understand who this interpreter is speaking to. If you were to ask the interpreter ‘Who are you talking to?’ it does not have a good answer for you. So in any case, it is not something that you can understand. You cannot understand who it is referring to. So you hand this one over to me; I know exactly what to do with it. And show no interest when it is now waving to you. It will cry out, it will say ‘Take me back. But this still has meaning…, something still has value’…, referring to something that it is saying. Now you refuse to hear it. You refuse to give any belief to what it is saying.

And don’t even say ‘forever’ because the word ‘forever’ is a trap actually. There is no forever, there is only now. Can you step out of the now? Can you show me a forever? Can you show me a future? So when you say ‘forever’ it means there is an interest in the life of the person still. When we say ‘forever’ it means that there is an interest in the future of the person. For Consciousness and Awareness, there is no time, there is no future. So don’t say ‘forever’. Hand over the interpreter now. Very good.

Louise says, “Father, I do not know whether or not to expose sometimes, because it feels like it is just giving reality to the false. So I don’t. But wonder if this is avoiding at times, as it should be clear by now.”

This is another concept, that ‘it should be clear by now’. So don’t pick up the story of the one who has not understood. Also don’t pick up the story of the one who has understood. Refuse to pick up any stories, and whatever feels true and from your heart in the moment, feel free to express. And when we say ‘heart’ we are not referring to the emotional center. When most of the world refers to their heart, they refer to their emotional center. They say ‘I followed my heart’ and they are only following some emotion. What we are referring to is the still voice. When we let go of the mind, there will be a stillness that guides our every step. And the mind cannot understand this. So all that is required to be done is to let go of the NEXT thought. That it is that, simply. That’s why we simplified it completely for everyone. No understanding, nothing required, only ‘To be free from suffering, just let go of your next thought’. And then you will see all is unfolding itself. You’ll get a darshan of the real. You’ll get a viewing of what has always been true.

So, this one who is saying ‘Should be clear by now’…, don’t listen to this voice also. The simplest, simplest thing. And to you I can say, it is so simple I can just say ‘Just don’t pick up the pen. Any pen’. [Laughs]. And for those of you who are not understanding the example, we’ll look at it later.

Agniketu says, “Good morning! It’s always a mad rush to get to satsang on time; and I laugh at me who is addicted to, and happy with, this addiction. Namaste.”

‘Good morning! It’s always a mad rush to get to satsang on time…’  Yes, tell me about it. [Laughs]. ‘…and I laugh at me who is addicted to, and happy with, this addiction.’  Yes. If that distance is there, then there is no trouble at all. If you can see the character and laugh at the movie, then there is no trouble at all. Very good.

Clare says, “Dear Ananta, please can I give you all arising energies within me; all movements away from awareness? Let only Awareness remain. Thank you so much. I give you my awareness completely. I trust you.”

Yes. Just be a little careful that what you mean is that ‘Let all appearances just go on, on their own’. Or let the Guru guide all the appearances as they’re meant to happen. But don’t expect that in the waking state that any appearances will stop. Because the waking state means the state where all this dancing and playing around will happen. Where this appearance, this changeful appearance is visible, that itself is called the waking state or the dream state. So don’t expect that it will stop. Only what you can expect is that it has no meaning for you. It does not have the potential to cause suffering. All enjoyment can be happening, all joy can come, even grief can be played out; but you will have this clear seeing that you ultimately are untouched by all of this, because you are pure Awareness itself. Very good.

Clare says, “Completely you.”  Yes.

And when you say ‘completely you’ then it means me and you are the same / same. We are the same, same.

Ustreamer51 says, “When we take a decision, we consider it based on future. Now we have to step out of now.”

This is Aashoo, who says ‘When we take a decision, we consider it based on future. We have to step out of now’.  That is presuming that there is an individual person here that relies on some thoughts and planning about the future; and then this person can look at these thoughts and say ‘This is what I am going to do’.  But at the root of this there is a false belief that this person as an individual entity exists. And I know that initially it can seem a little difficult to understand to the mind. Because we’re so conditioned to using the mind, it initially sounds like it is too abstract or too radical. But the fact of the matter is that if you find out ‘who is Aashoo’ you will see that Aashoo is only a bundle of thoughts; it is only a group of ideas which we have picked up about ourselves.

So when we were young, it was the son idea that ‘I am a good son, not a bad son’. We picked up one idea. As we grow older, we pick up the husband idea, then we become a parent idea, then we pick up an employee idea, a worker idea. And along the way, we’ve picked up so many ideas. But in our childhood, we could have picked up another idea. The idea could have been ‘I want to join the Army’. On the basis of that idea, then life might have played out differently. It seems that way, no? So this person is only a collection of beliefs. It really does not exist.

But then you might say that “I feel that I am the body’. And I say that if you feel that you are the body, then none of the problem that any of us are grappling with are problems of the body. The body is not interested in any of our problems. It is only interested if there is some pain…, even then we cannot say it is interested. It only cries for our attention when there is some pain or some other physical ailment. So all that we are dealing with is not problems of the body. The body is not bothered about work. The body is not bothered about relationship, the body is not bothered about money, the body is not bothered even about freedom. Therefore, if you were to truly, truly identify only as the body, even then there would be no suffering actually.

The problem comes only when we identify ourselves as a person. And how do we know we are identified as a person? So if somebody comes and says ‘You are horrible at playing hockey’ this will not have any impact on you because there is no attachment to the belief of being a hockey player. But if an Olympic hockey player is told ‘You are horrible at playing hockey’ he might even attack you back, because it is taken as an attack. So we feel attacked only when what we have identified with…, so it could be identification with the father idea, identification with the worker idea, identification as a husband idea…, so all this identification when it is being attacked…, or identification with being a good person idea…, so when all this identification is attacked, then we respond, because we believe that we are attacked.

But actually we do not exist in any of this. It has all just been our imagination. Nobody can show me where the ‘person’ is. If you can show me where the person is, then we can address the needs of the person. So if I was to cut open the body, would I find a person living inside?

And one of the corner-stones, or one of the legs, that this idea of the person stands on is the idea of doership. So many of you will say ‘I have seen that there is no person. It is clear to me that there is no person; but what do I do next?’ Isn’t it? They say ‘What do I do next?’ But this idea of ‘What do I do next?’ also comes from the idea that the person must do something. But the truth is that if there is no person here, then God Himself is doing everything at all. Everything that is being done is being done by Consciousness itself; is being done by God Himself. Everything is being done by God Himself. If He can run the trillions of planets, If He can run all the forces of gravity, electricity, if He can make all the bodies function, the hearts beat, then why cannot He run what is happening here anyway? Who else is there to run this?

You will come to a point where you see that all that is happening is pointing you towards your ultimate freedom; freedom from the delusion of being a separate ego. This is called the dropping of the ego. Once we see that ‘I was never this separate individual’ that is called the dropping of the ego. And that is when we say that ‘All our karmas are gone. We are free from all the energies of this world, and we are the witnessing alone’. Or, to start with, we can say ‘We are the witness alone of all of this’.

So, let go of your thoughts. Let go of your next thought. I won’t even say ‘Let go of all thoughts’. If any moment you find that you are suffering, just let go of your next thought; next thought, next thought, next thought. Just let go. It is completely possible. And you will see that life is unfolding on it’s own. You were never doing anything at all. ‘It only seemed like I was doing’. And after the thought comes, we say ‘It is my thought’. When an action happens, when an action is happening, we say ‘This is my action. I’m doing it’. But this ‘me’ does not exist at all.

So all that is happening in life is opening you up to your own self-discovery to see that all of this is completely true, and we have been living a deluded idea of being a person.

Very good. I’m very glad to see you here. Very welcome.

Looks like we are out of time today. Thank you all so very much for a wonderful, wonderful satsang, as always. Thank you, thank you, thank you. [Namaste].

Moojiji ki Jai. Om Namah Shivaya. So much love. [Blows kiss. Waves.]

Oh. Lucian says, “So true are your words! I am feeling exactly what you say. Forever is false, it is time related; I feel this. Thank you, my Love.”   Thank you, my love. Very good, Lucian.

Zoe says, “Just here in time to say Namaste to all, and thank you for being in my heart always.”  I’m very glad to have you with us. Very good.

Chat is going by too fast for me now. So everybody’s saying ‘Namaste. Thank you. Love you so much’. Very good, very good.

Sangha: Moojiji ki Jai ! Anantaji ki Jai !

If there is a feeling of bondage there must be a belief in bondage. Bondage requires belief. Freedom means letting go of all belief; freedom as a clear seeing that bondage is just not possible.

So if any of you feel that the answer is not ‘yes’ yet, then we can look at the belief which seems to cause this bondage. In what way are you bound? I know for some of you the answer will not be completely clear the instant the question is asked, but I still feel it is a good inquiry for you to introspect and see: In what way am I really bound?

The only way we seem to get bound is by our thoughts, which once believed in become our beliefs. But even with all the thoughts; if they were to be believed, what really gets bound? Can we find that one? Who is the bound one?

There is an awareness of anything which is changing. Is this Awareness changing? The awareness of the change, is this Awareness changing? Only the content which is appearing, only that is changing. So are you identified with the changeful or the changeless?

That is the question. What are you identifying with? Are you identifying with what is changing, which is appearing in front of you? Or are you identifying with the Awareness of it, with the watching of it, the pure Seeing of it?

If you were to just check in for an instant, you will see that ‘I cannot be this content which seems to be playing in front. I must be the ever-present watching of it’. But if we want something in the content to become free, if we believe that something in the appearance should change, then you are setting yourself up for failure because nothing in the content is constant. The constant is only You, the watching of all the content.

Quickly we can see if this is true or not. All the thoughts are constantly changing, all the emotions are constantly changing, the world around us is constantly changing but is the Awareness changing? Is the Witnessing changing?

If it seems simpler we can start by asking: Is the witness changing? Any effort is too much actually. When we are saying ‘just look’, it means drop all trying for a moment and just see what is here. Seeing is not an effort because you cannot turn it off. Effort means to do something which is not in the natural state. But in the natural state there is only Seeing, the pure Awareness, and Being, the pure Consciousness. This Seeing and this Being does not require any effort. All effort is actually too much. No effort is required to see or to be.

Q: I still identify myself with the content and trying to change it.

A: Yes. That can be the only trouble actually. So what you are saying is that the only trouble is this; and this is the only trouble possible actually.

Q: When certain content and reactions come up, it is felt or thought as bondage.

It is not bondage. Because certain content and emotions and any type of content can always come. Consciousness is completely free to create any content in any moment. But how does the content bind you? How does the content ever bind you?

Q: Feeling sad that the identity of being a person who wants to please everyone is still here.

A: Okay, so if ‘the identity of being a person who wants to please everyone’ is still here, does that still bind you? What it appears to be is that there is an appearance of this body-mind organism who is conditioned to please everyone. How does this appearance bind you? How does it even touch you? Again, we are wanting to change the content. It is like going to the movie and saying ‘I want to change the script’. Can the watching, can the watcher ever change the script of the movie? What is here effortlessly? Can we see what is here effortlessly?

Q: Guess it is a belief or identity still with the one not wanting the contents.”

A: So, you’re identifying with someone who wants to control what comes up for you. But there is no one who can control what comes up for you. Consciousness is doing all of this according to its will, and Awareness is completely untouched by all of this content.

So, if we can find the one who would like things to be a certain way, and not be another way, then we can give it a sense of reality. But before finding this one, we can only say that all this seems to be just playing out. But I-as-Awareness am untouched by any of this.

So, in this moment, right now, if you were to not put any effort, (because effort, the way we say the word, it seems like a choice that you can make), then what is here without any effort at all? When all effort is dropped, what remains? See for yourself. What remains when all effort is dropped?

[Sangha answers]:

“Only the Seeing remains, and peace.”

“Just Being remains, and the clear Seeing of this.”

“Peace remains.”

“Only Being and Seeing.”

“Just here. Just this. Can’t describe.”

“No name.”

“Peace and silence remains.”

A: Who is aware of this peace? If there was noise, then there would be an awareness of that noise? If there is peace, there is an awareness that there is no noise. But is the Awareness touched by noise or no noise?

So we cannot truly name what remains. All names are inadequate. But we can point in the general direction. Those who know what you’re speaking about will be able to point out that you’re pointing in the right direction.

Q: Peace, and many thoughts, and a dropping of attention to them. Bit of an effort, though?

A: It seems only that it is an effort. Think of it like a conveyor belt, and you’re used to picking every bag off the conveyor belt. The conveyor belt of the mind is moving, and on that, every bag is a thought. We seem to have been in a rush to take out every bag. Because we believed that the bags were ours, so we took out every bag from this conveyor belt.

Then someone says that ‘All these bags are not yours. Let them just come and go’. Initially it might seem like an effort to stop picking up the bags, because we are so strongly habituated to running after every bag and picking it up. It might seem like it is an effort to stop, but actually you must see and tell me: what is an effort? Is it an effort, or a dropping of effort?

The analogy is very close to what is really happening, that in the conveyor belt of the mind all these bags are coming, and we are saying ‘Don’t pick them up. They are being taken care of’. So because of our habit, it seems like an effort to not pick them up; but you will see the effort. It will become very difficult to pick up after you see that it is effort to pick up. You will feel that it is effort to pick up.

Q: There is no observer of this emptiness.

A: There is no ‘observer’ but there is an observing that there is emptiness, otherwise you would not be able to report that there is emptiness. Awareness, being aware of itself, is the only non-phenomenal experience. You know that you are aware now. Can anyone else know that you are aware now? No. But you know that you are aware now. What is this that knows even awareness? Is it not Awareness itself?

Q: Even when identification with person happens, there is no problem at all.

A: Yes. This is so true. So even if identification happens, it is not that something really changes. The real is constant. It does not change. Awareness is untouched.

All of you are speaking such beautiful words that they are scripture itself. That’s why we say that scripture will be spoken as if it’s just general common sense actually. You will find that there is nothing special about the words in any scripture because it will seem like all common sense. They will read like beautiful words, but you will see that they are all verifiable in this very moment. No effort is required.

Q: I’m still attached to energies.

A: It’s very good that you expose this, because it is getting subtler and subtler now, isn’t it? We were talking about attachment, seemingly external attachment; now we can see that there is internal attachment also. It could be that there are positive energies or some energies which still take our attachment. But this attachment is also a very unstable state. Then what happens is, when you’re feeling some positive or nice energies, we’ll want to put up a wall of defense; that this must not change. The minute we say ‘This must not change’ in that minute we start inviting all sort of attacks to this concept. Because everything that appears will change. All phenomenon is changeful, and that is how suffering can come, even with this attachment to subtle energies.

So enjoy everything of the show. I’m not saying run away from any energy. I’m saying just experience everything as part of the show, but don’t attach, or don’t have an aversion. See that you are untouched by all of this, including the energies.

Is there anyone who has been in satsang for a few days, but still feels like it is too abstract or too difficult? I would like to hear from you so I can meet you where you are, and then we can move forward together.

Q: Seems I am getting some and missing some.

A: So, we can ask a question: What knows that something is being understood and something is not yet completely understood? What sees even this? It must be you because you are able to report from there. You are able to say that ‘I am understanding something, and I’m not understanding something else’. So you know this because there is an awareness of this. Let’s see if this much is clear? You know this because there is an awareness of this.

So, this awareness which is there, which knows all of this, which is the witness of all of this appearance; are you separate from this awareness in any way? What is the distance between you and this awareness?

Q: Feeling light, and don’t know why, feel like laughing!

A: Yes. If the ‘person’ is being let go of, when the imagined one here on our back is thrown away, then there is so much relief and laughter that can come.

Q: It seemed even impossible, but it is so easy by now.

A: I see that it is very easy, it is very accessible, it is very approachable. Initially it can seem a little abstract, it can seem a little difficult, but these concepts are difficult only for the mind. It seems difficult only because it is completely simple, and the mind does not do very well with extremely simple things. It likes things which are complicated. If you give the mind a complicated set of practices to do, it will be very happy because then it will have a 10 year plan. It wants to distract you and keep you away from the now. The truth is now only. The mind is always speaking about the future or the past, but the truth is now only.

So, don’t listen to the voice which is saying ‘It should be clear by now’. It is the simplest, simplest thing. Just let go of your thoughts. Let go of your next thought. I won’t even say ‘Let go of all thoughts’. If any moment you find that you are suffering, just let go of your next thought; next thought, next thought, next thought. Just let go.

It is completely possible. And you will see that life is unfolding on its own. You were never doing anything at all.

Namaste everyone. A very warm welcome to satsang today. Moojiji ki Jai.

Thank you very much, everyone, for joining in. And if this is your first time in satsang, know that the way to ask questions is through the chat window. Namaste. And I’ll presume that the audio and video are working fine, unless I hear otherwise. Namaste, Namaste. A/V is good. Good.

So the other day, we spoke about this ‘wrong number’. Isn’t it? And some of you were there. So we said that we had this wrong number, and we have been listening to this voice as thoughts. And the funniest thing about this wrong number is we have never asked ‘Who is speaking?’ and we have never asked ‘Who would you like to speak to?’ You see this? Before satsang, we have never asked ‘Who is speaking?’ and also we have never asked ‘Who would you like to speak to?’ And if we were to ask either of these questions, then this whole idea of separation would unravel very quickly.

So, of this voice in our head, if we were to ask ‘Who are you?’ most often the reply would be that ‘I am you’. It tries to convince you that it is your own voice. But the simple question is ‘Would you need a voice to communicate with your own self?’ Why would you need a voice to communicate with your own self? So simple, isn’t it? If it is my own true voice, then why would I need a voice to communicate with my own self? Do you see? You see what I’m saying?

Very good. Ginger says, “I see.”

And Wiebke says, “Yes. Love it.”

Kapil says, “So, it was the person talking to the person?’

The imagined one was trying to convince Consciousness itself actually that it is a person. The imagined one also ultimately is Consciousness itself. So in computer science, we have this term called the ‘gaming engine’. When you enter the game, there’s a sort of an artificial intelligence engine which convinces you that you are the character in the game. So if you are playing a game in which you are playing the role of James Bond, this gaming engine will refer to you as ‘Mr. Bond’. [Laughs]. Therefore, now in this game, this gaming engine, this ego, is referring to You, Beingness Itself, as a person.

Denan says, “Yes. So simple.”  Very good.

Cornelia says, “Yes, I see.”

Ustreamer46 says, “I see this game.”   Yes.

Cornelia says, “And the voice can talk, since nobody is here.”   Okay.

Ustreamer260 says “Divine Paradox.”

Ustreamer908 says, “Beloved, have you ever researched about Osho? I see that you say the same things on Self. Maybe your teaching is different, but actually you say the same thing.”

Yes. I’ve not done a lot of research on Osho; have not read many of his books, some I did initially. And clearly it is the same expression…, or a different expression of the same Master which is using these different mouths to speak the same thing, but in different ways. Isn’t it? Thank you so much. I’m actually very honored by the comparison. Thank you so much.

Lonai says, “I am lucky today. Mind cannot comprehend anything. Only thing felt, to look in your eyes is love.”   Very good.  “Please never let this end.”  This cannot end. Good.

Ishani says, “Father, when some identification arose, there was a feeling like ‘Why this?’ When I see I am awareness, then I became conscious that this was the mind’s scam to stay alive as a person. Until now it has succeeded as ‘you’ wasn’t conscious of this. I seem to be before all of this.”

Yes. You are prior to all, all phenomenon; you’re prior even to the birth of Consciousness itself. And you have always been this. In the game, whether or not you forgot that you’re just pretending to be the character cannot not actually make you the character in the game. The game has a lot more bite, has a lot more suffering, if we’ve forgotten who we really are. But that doesn’t mean we were ever that, actually. And as soon as this realization comes that ‘I was never this, I was never this person’ then the game loses its bite. Nothing exists here which can truly suffer.

There’s a beautiful line, and I might not be quoting it correctly, but there’s a beautiful set of lines in The Course in Miracles. It says: ‘Nothing real can be threatened; nothing unreal ever existed’.

Nothing real can be threatened.

Nothing unreal ever existed.

Herein lies the peace of God.

You see the magnitude of these three simple lines? Nothing real can be threatened; nothing unreal ever existed, and herein lies the peace of God. Knowing this, there can be only peace; because this is the end of fear.

Amaya says, “Was noticing today how all Masters have such innate intelligence; ‘Seeing’. So though no-mind-consciousness, purity, [no-mind] is not ‘nothing’. Yes? Or…?”

So, can you elaborate on your question? I’m not able to understand.

Amaya says, “Sorry.”  No worries.  “No-mind still seems to bring through such intelligence, so [no-mind] is not just ‘nothing’. It’s just no-thing. About that?”

Yes, yes. Truth does not rely on the mind, that’s what you mean. Truth does not rely on any mind concepts. And this all-knowing Being can communicate using this body/mind complex in the way that it sees fit. Yes.

Ishani says, “Thank you, Father. You are beautiful. At your feet.”   Same/same. Thank you, my dear.

Amaya says, “You were speaking of the voice.”

This pure intuition, the voice of the Being itself or the voice of the Satguru itself can use any body/mind to communicate.

Ajnani says, “Namaste, Father. Sorry I’m late.”   No worries.

So the entire delusion only has all been one big phone conversation which was a wrong number. Are you willing to accept this? We all seem to be caught up in this one big wrong number. That’s why the Master says ‘It is the same guy that is saying all of this’. It is the voice of the ego itself, which is trying to convince you that you are this person. But you’ve searched and searched now and this person just cannot be found. Therefore, why don’t we ask the voice itself, the voice of the ego…, why don’t we ask this voice ‘Who are you speaking to? Can you show me the one that you are speaking about?’

Amaya says, “So, was flashing on Masters’ speaking beyond mind.”

Yes, this is beyond mind; the intuitive voice which seems to come from the Heart itself does not rely on mind at all.

Aryamaan_Srikanth says, “Guruji, you are so fresh.”  Thank you.

Lonai says, “How can one differ between pure voice/intuitive wisdom, and words from mind? They arise from the same place…”

I’ll tell you how. The voice from the ego, or the person idea, it is always needy or it always attacking or defending something. It needs something; it needs approval, it needs confirmation, it needs to be right. So this is what accompanies the voice from the ego.

The voice of Being or the voice of the Satguru is always accompanied by the Presence of Love, Peace and Joy. There is no need that this voice has. There is no impatience; no desire to be accepted also. It is voice of Being Itself, and the words will seem like they have been dipped in honey before they are spoken. So ultimately all is coming from Consciousness, as you said, but qualitatively within this play they have these differences. And it is seen that the voice that is full of need, or attack or defense (which is the same thing) leads to more confusion which leads to personhood. And this voice, which is accompanied by Love, Peace and Joy seems to wipe away the false ideas. See? That’s why my Master says, when he asks us ‘What does it smell like? Does it still smell like a person? Or is it coming from a deeper, more loving space?’

Amaya says, “…but how no-mind doesn’t mean dead nothing, without God’s intelligence.”  No, it doesn’t.

No-mind is actually a beautiful space. It’s a beautiful space. And that’s why when someone says ‘nothing, nothing’ in a negative sort of way, we question that, isn’t it? It’s not like a sort of negative, derogatory nothing. It’s a nothing which is no thing, but it is full; it is a full nothing. All things arise from this nothing. That is the nothing we are speaking of. You see? And it is Supreme Intelligence. Intelligence in fact is born in this. Consciousness is born in this. All the forces of attention or belief, of identity are born from this.

Kapil says, “Wrong number. One big phone call.”  Yes.

Amaya says, “So funny. Voice of ego is speaking to idea of itself as a person, but even then must believe that it’s two.”

Yes. It’s a simple question, isn’t it? If it was just me, if it was truly me, then why would I need a voice to communicate with myself? Why would I need a medium of communication?

Ustreamer610 says, “Yes, totally, clearly, whole-heartedly accepted. Thank you, Master.”  You’re very welcome, my dear.

Ustreamer46 says, “Father, I’m reminded of the movie ‘Revolver’ about the voice.”  Yes.

It’s a beautiful scene. If you’ve seen the movie ‘Revolver’ you’ll see this beautiful scene in the elevator, where he discovers that the voice is not him. Good.

Shinein says, “Namaste. Since insight/intuitive voice is before the senses, are the senses influenced or altered? Seeing outside as seeing inside?”

[Re-reads]. It is prior to the senses, and actually none of these so-called external senses are required to hear this intuitive voice. The senses are required only to play in this seeming-external world of phenomenon. No? But even for internal phenomenon like…, even imagination or memory or even the perceiving of thought, none of the five senses are required. Awareness is aware, irrespective of senses or not.

Lonai says, “Love. Thank you – it is clear now. Your words smell like love.”  Thank you.

Cornelia says, “The voice of Satguru is like a spontaneous intuition, and the other voice is the noise in the head, isn’t it?”

Yes, it is like that. It seems like the voice of the person seems to be in the head region for some; don’t have to take it completely literally, but it does seem like the voice of the ego seems to operate in the head region, and the voice of the intuition seems to come from the Heart itself. Therefore many Masters call this spiritual journey ‘The journey from head to Heart’. Isn’t it? You’ve heard this term? Many use this ‘Journey from head to Heart’.

Atma says, “Beautifully said, thank you, Father.”   Thank you so much, my dear.

Aryamaan_Srikanth says, “Forgive me for this question. If we fall into Being, and become very peaceful full of love, joy and peace, it is very, very good; no-mind and a beautiful space…”

So, let’s look at this question before we get to the actual question itself, let’s look at the implication of that. The implication is that there is a separate entity, and there is a Being, and this separate entity falls into Being. And I’m presuming the question is going to be about the life or something to do with the life of this separate entity. But what we are truly saying is that this separate entity is only imagined. It just does not exist. Only Being is functioning here. So, there’s no question of ‘falling into Being’. It is only a seeing that ‘I have always been this Beingness, and ultimately seeing that ‘I am the Awareness even of this Consciousness or Beingness’.

If the words are seeming too difficult, it is okay. So, for now, just know that this separate entity, which you feel will fall into the Being…, this separate entity has never existed. There has always been only the Being here; and the separation has only been imagined. And this separation gets perpetuated by belief in thought. So, it is Being itself which is deluding itself, through thought, into believing that it is a person.

And then Aryamaan says, “If a policeman or army man is in this state, do you feel he will be able to do his job?”

Yes. The Self has no trouble playing any role. The Being itself has been doing everything. I also have a job. So it is only another mental concept that ‘If I realize who I am then what will happen to my job, what will happen to my family, who will protect the country…?’  No one who has realized their true nature has regretted it. No one has said that ‘If I have Self-realization, I have lost the opportunity to do my job or to make money’. You see that Consciousness is the projector of this entire Universe. It can manage all jobs, it can manage our life much better than a concept of an imagined person. But if you continue from the perspective of being the imagined one…, and the imagined one is trying to figure out something, then it is going to be very frustrating. Because ultimately you have to confront this idea that you are not this person.

And I know that all spiritual search, all spiritual seeking also starts with a personal idea of freedom; that the person wants to become free. But what is different between the spiritual search and the search for money, relationship or any other search is that this one will bring you to the end of misunderstanding about being a person. Most other searches perpetuate the idea of personhood. That is why it is said that the desire for freedom is an auspicious desire. But as long as it remains a personal desire, it is just like any other desire actually. So if there’s still a person who is trying to say that ‘I have understood, and hence I can improve my life because of it’ then that is still a fallacy. You are still not that one; that one is still the imagined one.

So let these words seep through. This is Consciousness speaking to Consciousness itself. Don’t try to work hard to understand this, no effort is actually required. One day these words will explode inside of you, and they will blow away all idea of being a person. So let this communion happen, and you will see that you were never this person. And that will being so much Love, Peace and Joy, without any concern for any state.

Ajnani says, “Ego is speaking in survival mode for person’s sake, but Satguru’s voice has no interest with survival mode.”

Yes. Ego is always in this survival mode to try and defend this person, and attack those which are attacking the idea of the person. That is why the first time the question is heard ‘Who am I?’ for most beings there is a lot of resistance. It is not an easy question to let in. You see?

Aryamaan says, “When duty demands ruthlessness, do we give up such roles and duties?”

The Self knows exactly; the one who is leading your life know exactly where to take your life. So we looked at this question, isn’t it? Very good.

DivyaRaj says, “Namaste, I see it is all in the mind, and I have been suffering because of the mind. And I see that it is going in circles. So I try to relax and see the Being, and there is just the Being at that time. Can you please tell how to be without being trapped by the mind again and again?”

Yes. It is the simplest thing. We have seen through the tricks of the mind, and I have a simple pointing for you. And the simplest pointing is, in this moment, wherever you find yourself, in whatever appearance you find yourself, just in this moment, you let go of your next thought. And the mind will say ‘It is not possible, this is too simple’. But I can tell you, just in this simplicity, suffering is over. We are not saying anything…, we are not saying let go of all future thoughts; nothing. But this simple pointing you can follow, Which is ‘Let go of your next thought’. And then show me suffering.

In this simple pointing is the culmination of all spiritual practice. Just simply let go of your next thought. Even if the thought is saying ‘I will keep doing this all the time now’, let go of this also. And many times you will still find yourself in the place where you picked up some thoughts. What is to be done in those times? Just let go of your next thought. We have made it simple, simple, simple.

Cornelia says, “Yes, thank you, Father.”    You’re welcome.

Zoe says, “Joining late, beloved Father. Namaste.”   Namaste, my dear.

Ustreamer610 says, “Arjun was a warrior. And he was led by Krishna to fight a bloody…” <censored> (bloody battle, I’m presuming), “one can remain as Being and still fulfill any duty.”

Yes. You see, in all this there is still a confusion that the person was the doer; and now with this understanding, Being is going to become the doer, or God is going to become the doer, or Guru is going to become the doer. So there is this sense of sacrifice that ‘If I am going to surrender, please make sure that everything goes properly’. But surrender is only a realization that you have always been surrendered. It is not an action. God is not waiting for your surrender to run your life. God has been only running your life so far. Only God has been running your life so far. And surrender is only this realization; that this separate individual person never existed.

Who is running your life right now? Who is beating your heart right now? Who is making the blood flow? Who is making the eyes see? Who is making the ears hear? Who is making the neurons snap in your brain? Is the person doing this? Is there a group of people, some committee somewhere, who is doing all of this? You must look at this.

Amaya says, “Your answer to Srikanth’s question shows that the Master’s intelligence I was speaking of is so capable of all doings, and all that is needed to know. So no fear.”

Yes. Very good. It is the Supreme Intelligence. The Being is the Supreme Intelligence.

Ustreamer908 says, “Beloved, when I am alone, I find stillness, and everything seems clearer. But if I join to any kind of community then I lose this stillness and silence and my mind sound is very loud.”

Yes. No matter where you are, what you are doing, this simple pointing can be followed: Let go of your next thought. You see? Because if our freedom is only freedom when we are isolated in a cave, then it is not really freedom, isn’t it? It is some sort of escape. Also freedom does not mean that we must be in a particular state. Freedom only means that any state is allowed to arise, but we see that ‘I am untouched by it’. All appearances can come. Therefore we do not say renounce anything. We do not say renounce the world, renounce your job, renounce your family. The only thing that needs to be renounced is this interpreter in our heads. And if you renounce this thought…, if you renounce the next thought, then show me the trouble. Show me the noise.

And when we say let go of the next thought, we are not saying that the thought should not arise. For those of you who are new to satsang also I must make this point; it does not mean that the thought should not come. Thoughts will still come. Attention will also go sometimes. But all that is required is to withdraw or divest your belief from it. This we can definitely do. Of course not as a person. But Beingness definitely can withdraw its belief from the thought which is arising.

SGhere says, “Namaste, so there is guilt about my conditioned fears that I projected it on to my daughter.., trying to prevent anything from going wrong and being controlling. But this flawed person cannot be found. Does that mean I did not do this, Consciousness played this way?”

Yes. It is only Consciousness, the one doer and the one experiencer. But many times it is the ego, person idea, which tries to use this knowledge to its personal advantage; and in that more suffering will arise. Because if you try to perpetuate the person idea, saying ‘I am not the doer’…, you will find many of these so called neo-Advaitains today; they smell completely of personhood, but they are saying ‘I am not the doer’, ‘who are you’, you know? It is still coming from a place of arrogance. Do you see? It is ok to say that Consciousness is the one doer; but not a way as deflecting any personal blame. But just to see that there never was a person here, or there. And Consciousness has been the one doer and the one experiencer throughout all of this. And in this moment, this allows you to start fresh. Otherwise there are some many thoughts of guilt, fear, frustration, anger, regret that they will seem too strong and too magnetic for you to withdraw your belief from them. But in knowing that all is God’s will, then you will be able to just simply let go of all these thoughts that are coming. And they will come. Initially in satsang especially, they will come with full seeming-force. But very quickly you realize that, holding the hand of the Master, they have no power whatsoever. You just let them go. And in this moment, you will find that all the actions are just happening on their own in the most auspicious way. And all the suffering which has happened in the past has also been completely grace; because it has brought you to this point, to this openness, to this seeing of your own true Self. And without the suffering, you would not be here.

Ustreamer 610 says, “Beloved Master, I love you.”  I love you, too, my dear.  “Letting go of the next thought; how beautifully this Being has been led home with this grace.”   Very good.

SGhere says, “Afraid of to let go of this guilt, as it means that I stop trying to be better. Giving this over to you please. Cannot take it anymore.”

Yes. I am very happy to take it over from you. Just hand it all over. Hand it all over. Once you hand it all over, you will see that only the truth remains. And all has been thrown out. What can’t you throw out? Can you stop being now? Cannot stop being now? You cannot stop being. This Being is Consciousness. This Being is God. Can you stop being aware now? No. You are always Awareness itself. These you cannot throw out. These you cannot hand over. This is Awareness and Consciousness.

Shinein says, “Thank you, in experience there is deep recognition with conviction. Mind senses temporarily modifies outside seeing to accommodate this beautiful insight. But it goes. Is this outside seeing play of mind or…? There is a constant seeking of this altered outside seeing?”

You say ‘In experience there is deep recognition with conviction’. The deep recognition I am presuming with your true nature as Awareness itself, with conviction. Then you say ‘Mind senses temporarily modify outside seeing to accommodate this beautiful insight, but it goes’. Yes. All that comes will go. In fact we can say, if it is coming, then it implies that it is going actually. So any vision, any seeing, any state, any bliss, any joy, any peace, any love…, if it is coming, then it is going. Freedom is not something which stays in this way. Freedom is the freedom from all of these states.

And it so happens that when we are free from all of these states, without any expectation, then we see that Love, Peace and Joy have always been in service to us. With their heads bent down, they are showering all that they have on us; and there is no need here for any of them. There is no grasping at any love, any peace, or any joy. All is allowed. All is allowed. So don’t get attached to any appearance. Don’t even label anything as ‘my appearance’. It is when we label something as ‘me’ or’ mine’ in the appearance, that is when it becomes a seed for future suffering. All that is appearing is appearing; all that is coming is going. You are the untouched witness of all of this.

I am happy you expose this like this in an open way, so that you can be free from any attachment from any special sort of seeing, or special sort of appearances in phenomena.

Amaya says, “Seeing that comments I made were an attempt to reassure the mind that it is okay to have no-mind; since Intelligence is still here. Surrender this need for assurance.”

Very good. What a beautiful seeing. She is saying ‘I am still trying to tell the mind that it is going to be okay’. But don’t try to convince the mind, because this mind will never be convinced about your freedom. Your mind will never be convinced that it is all okay. It is not the nature of the mind to say that you are free. Very good that you see this, and expose this.

SGhere says, “I never did anything wrong? Because I don’t exist?”

Yes. This ‘I’ does not exist. And the ‘I’ that wants the freedom from the guilt also does not exist. You cannot do it half way, you see? So if there is a person trying to find a band aid against the guilt and saying ‘Okay, I can now let go of my guilt’ then along with the guilt, this person also should go. Who is the one who wants freedom from this guilt? This one also must go. You see what I am saying?

Amaya says, “So clear, Father.”  Very good.

Lonai says, “Everything is perfectly orchestrated by God. Everything is God-self. And all of it is just projection…, nothing ever happened; and really, I don’t know where these words come from, I know nothing.”   Very good. This is a beautiful nothing.

Ustreamer908 says, “Thanks for your grace.”    Very welcome, my dear.

SGhere says, “Only ever been this. Yet fear of accepting this? Crazy.”

Find out this one. Who is fearful also now? Can you find? Or is it just another figment of our imagination? What does this one look like, the one who is fearful? Are all the attributes not just beliefs that we have had about it? You see? So just to repeat something we said yesterday ‘The person is only the sum total of all the beliefs that you are carrying’. And as you let go of these concepts, you will see that the person idea completely dissolves. Show me the person which is not an idea?

Atma says, “So much love to you, dearest Father.”   So much love to you, my dear.

Zoe says, “I love you so much, Father. Thank you for the blessing of your words and presence.”    Thank you too, my dear.

Lucian says, “Beloved Ananta, sometimes you say ‘Consciousness is the one doer’. But in my mind, the doer is an entity and a localized “something”. So apparently, in my mind, Consciousness and doer is not compatible.”

Yes this is a very good point. So if Consciousness, Beingness is the one doer, what it means is that all is being done by this Consciousness itself. Therefore it cannot be a localized entity. It must be the light itself which is playing in this way.

It is like in the movie…, who is doing the movie? Who is playing all the roles? When we are watching the movie, it is the light itself, isn’t it? So it is not that the light becomes the person and hence does in a localized way. But the light is only playing in this way to create these images, on itself. So the light and the screen, in this case, both are Consciousness itself. In that way it is the doer. Not that the light of the projector ever goes into the person over there, and does anything personally. You see?

When we are speaking about doership now, we are taking it away from the personal sense of doership, in which the movie’s characters are feeling like they are doing something…, to seeing that it is all a play of this light of Consciousness itself.

I hope this clarifies. It is not doing in a personal way. It is the light itself which is playing and projecting these appearances. Very good point you bring up. And you must look at this. Very good.

Aryamaan says, “Guruji, when we meditate, for the meditator focusing on the Self, is there any importance left of worshiping of deities and certain key rituals like today’s Ganesh Chaturthi today? Is there any more relevance?

When you realize your true nature then all can flow through in a playful way. It is God himself which is playing in celebration to his own Self. But until also it is seen clearly that ‘I am this consciousness itself’ if even then we bow our head down to anything, it is still good; because in this way the ego is getting diminished. For the ego, it takes a lot of suffering to get it to bow down. It asks a lot of questions. Even if it meets a Master, it will say ‘Can I trust you? Are you really a Master, before I bow down to somebody I want to be sure of I’. You know? All of it. Which is its own egoic arrogance. So if there is faith in something, the magic is in the bowing down actually. In the dissolution of the ego, all truth can be seen. So it doesn’t matter in which way it happens. It can happen through devotion; that God is all, that all my life is being run by God itself. This is devotion. Or it could be knowledge that this individual person just did not exist. I see no duality in Bhakti or Jnani.

Shinein says, “Thank you. Clear seeing without holding phenomena. Yes, true emptiness.”    Very good. Very Good.

Ustreamer681 says, “This fire burns everything, doesn’t it?”   Yes it burns all that is false.   “So happy to walk into this fire and allow it to burn it all; as it can burn only the unreal.”  Yes, very true. Very good. “Allow it all to burn.”

Adam says, “Letting go of all future projections.”   Very good.

SGhere says, “All ideas. Thank you for this pointing. Many explosions of ideas.”   Yes. Let go of all these. Life is unfolding in its own beautiful way.

Louise says, “So much love, Father. Thank you so much.”   Thank you, my dear.

SGhere says, “Who is afraid?”

Yes. That’s an excellent question. It is just that thoughts or emotions or fear are coming, and we are inventing a person who these thoughts and emotions belong to. Actually this one just does not exist.

Ustreamer047 says, “My questions are disappearing by time. I think it’s enough that watching videos of Moojiji, Papaji and You.”   Yes. Can be nothing better. Good.

Ustreamer681 says, “This life is beautiful, only because of your Grace. The Grace that removed the ghost of personhood from this being. Always at your feet.”   Very beautiful.

Atma says, “So beautifully said, Father”    Thank you, my dear.

Lonai says, “The magic is in the bowing down; bowing is happening here, melting, surrendering; no guarding is happening here.”    Very good.

Adam says, “Letting go all that is false. Thank you.”    Very good.

Jayani says, “Thank you, Father. Love you so much. So grateful.”   Love you, too.

Cornelia says, “So much love, Anantaji.”   So much love.

Jayani says, “Like space moving in space.”    Very good.

Lucian says, “Thank you so much.”     Lucian, thank you.

Thank you all so very much for joining in satsang today.

Moojiji ki Jai ! [Namaste]

And I will see many of you in person tomorrow, in-person satsang in Bangalore, and some of you online as well. Thank you, thank you.

Sangha: Moojiji ki Jai ! Anantaji ki Jai ! Thank you. Love you.

So if any of you feel that something is not clear, don’t feel scared to expose it because of the peer pressure. If you feel that ‘Oh, everybody seems to be celebrating, but I am not understanding anything’ don’t just sit with that. Feel free in satsang to come up and express it, so that we can walk together. We can hold hands and bring you out of this delusion, out of the delusion and into the celebration.

That is the power of Presence.

That is the power of Satsang.

Out of the delusion and into the celebration.

Satsang is the celebration of our own Being, of our own ever-present Self.

I feel that, in these three simple pointings, all that must be said is said.

Not that there’s an aversion to use any other words, but there is a wonder now as to what else is required.

What else is needed to be said?

And if you were to publish this as a scripture, it would be the shortest book ever.

The first line being a simple instruction: Let go of your next thought.

The second line would be: To experience God in this very moment by asking: Can you stop being now?’…, and tasting the presence of Being right here. [Snaps fingers].

And thirdly: To experience your own true Self, which is prior to Consciousness by the simple looking that: Are you aware now?

I feel so blessed that the Satguru has put these words in this mouth. Because I truly feel that just in these simple pointings freedom is available to all Beings.

In all Beings where there is some openness, freedom is available this very instant.

Namaste everyone, a very warm welcome to satsang today. Moojiji ki Jai!

If this is your first time here, the way to ask questions is through the chat window.  And I don’t see any chat,  so if you can let me know that it’s working fine, the audio and video are fine, then we can get started. Okay. Very good, I see it now. I was wondering for a second there. [Reading chat and responding]. Namaste. Oh, am I late?  Four minutes? Maybe there’s some confusion about the timing. No, it’s not late. Very good. I see everything now. Namaste, namaste, namaste. Very good. ‘Just a minute or two’ [someone typed in chat]. Okay, that’s fine.

Freedom is available to all of you now. Right here, right now. It’s the simplest thing and it’s available right now.

So let’s look at ShivaMahima’s…,

She says or he says, “Anantaji, question: Does one have to have the astrology to bring about self-realization?”

‘Does one have to have the astrology’…, in the sense of does one have to have the karma, does one have to have the destiny to have self realization? It might seem that way. It might seem that way in the play of the world, that there are a destined few who come to the truth or come to the right conclusion about themselves. But, the fact is that it seems that way in the play. To You, it does not matter. The real You is beyond karma. The real You is beyond astrology. You are the one that controls destiny. Destiny does not control You. So, do not base your freedom on what it appears to be for others. You can find your freedom right now. And that is what I was saying, that it is the simplest thing now. In fact, there are no excuses left for non-freedom. There are no excuses left for bondage now.

Some of you said ‘I cannot do Self-inquiry. It is too difficult. It is too abstract’. Some of you said that. So, we said: Okay, don’t do Self-inquiry. Just let go of your thoughts. It is the simplest thing.

Then some of you said ‘I cannot let go of all of my thoughts’. Then we said: Okay, don’t let go of all of your thoughts, just let go of the next one. Don’t even think about the future. Just let go of the next one that is coming now. We cannot make it simpler than that.

Then some of you said ‘I cannot become aware of my own true nature as Awareness itself’. And we said: Are you aware now? And, answering this simple question ‘Are you aware now?’ you’ll become aware of your true nature as Awareness itself.

And in the same way some of you said ‘I cannot become aware of my Being. I am not aware of the sense ‘I Am’. And we said: Can you stop being now? And naturally it is seen that Being cannot be stopped.

So, just in this simplicity of being able to say ‘Let go of your next thought’, of being able to ask ‘Are you aware now?’ and then to ask ‘ Can you stop being now?’…, just in this much, all the scriptures, all the understanding, everything that we speak of is condensed in theses three simple points.

Can we make it simpler than this? Is there any part of this which is difficult to comprehend? Is there any room for the mind now, for you to say that realization is difficult, or it’s not for me, or it does not seem real, or that it does not exist now? We have left no room for it now. So, if freedom is truly what you want, then in great simplicity, it is available already, here.

Now can you tell me what is your difficulty? What is not understood? Is there anything abstract, complex left now? We’ve really brought it to the clear basics. Complete simplicity!

[Can you put on this fan? Talking to daughter.] My daughter is intent on interrupting satsang today. [Looking towards daughter with affection and talking to her so sweetly].

Shanti says, “Good morning/afternoon sangha and Father.” And she says, “I am happy to see you play this ‘father’ role. So sweet.”  [Laughs and smiles].

So if ShivMahima is still here, she can say whether the question is answered now. Whether it is completely clear or something still remains from it.

Is it too noisy with this fan, or has the audio become bad now? It’s alright? Okay. Audio is fine. Okay, great. [Reading chat]. Namaste, namaste, very good. Very good. Namaste.

VishwasKr says, “It’s okay, you can let the fan be. Must be hot.”    Yes, it is a little warm but not hot enough for air conditioning, so I felt that the fan would be good.

So now, what we’re saying is that: Freedom is the simplest thing. And you can disprove me if you disagree. I’m happy to look at this together with you.

ShivMahima says, “Thank you. The difficulty is my environment is in complete contrast to this spiritual life. It has in some way fuelled my finding of Gurus, but sense of material accomplishment runs high in the family.”

Yes, and it is very much the same in this case also. Very much the same in this case also. So it’s completely possible. It’s completely possible right now to be completely free, irrespective of the environment.

ShivMahima says, “It’s not okay to leave everything.”

But, there is nothing here that said you must renounce everything. We did not say that. I have a job, I have a family, I have responsibilities, but all is allowed to unfold on it’s own. So, we do not say renounce the world, we only say renounce the mind. And I don’t even want to say it in such a scary way. All that is said is: Let go of your next thought. That is all that is required for freedom.

Complete freedom: All you must do, in every moment, is just let go of your next thought.

So even leave the thought that ‘I must give up my family, or leave everything or something special must be done’. Because, if it is something that needs to be done, it would mean that it is something that needs to be created. It would mean that some effort is required to create the Self. But the Self is already ever-present. It is already here, isn’t it? You already call it the Self! The meaning of the ‘Self’ means it’s ever-present. It’s already here. It is my own Self. If it required a creation or some effort, even renunciation of something, then it would not be the Self. If it required work to be done, then it would mean that it requires work to maintain it also. In this way we can see that this is the ego which requires work to be done and effort to maintain it. So therefore, required to maintain the ego is that; belief in our thoughts. As we keep believing our thoughts, we keep nourishing our ego. But if you were to stop this nourishment, if you were to stop this effort of believing our thoughts, then you will find that the ego fades away very quickly. Therefore the effort is not to find the Self, the effort it is actually believe that we are something else.

That is why I’m saying we made the crux of spirituality completely simple and approachable for all of you. And I feel there is really no reason left for the mind. There is no excuse left for the mind now; no difficult practice, no anything required to be done. Everything is available right here right now.

Clare says, “You make it so simple and I am so grateful. Thank you.”   Thank you, my dear.

Yes. We want to make it completely clear, approachable and simple for all of you. All that is required seems to be the presence of some openness. And if that little bit of openness is there in all of you, then freedom will be seen right now actually. That which we have been searching for is available already, here. In fact, you will start questioning how you ever believed that you were bound. This belief will sound completely silly and unfathomable to you. Can any of you show me how you are bound right now?  [Reading chat]: “No.”

ShivMahima says, “Letting go of thoughts creates serenity in Being. But my job is very high pressure with boss wanting goals to be accomplished. It creates a rift because my Being is far from planning.”

Yes. There does not need to be planning. God’s plan is the best plan. And God knows how to play every role perfectly. Every role can be played: parent, employee, worker, business man. There is no role which cannot be played. In fact the role is already being played by God itself. There is no you, right now even, which is saying that ‘I do the planning’. This ‘you’ just does not exist. So the state of surrender that we speak about is only the understanding that we are ever-surrendered. The individual identity or the ego never existed anyway.

So the goal of letting go of thoughts is not just to create serenity. It is to rid yourself of delusion. And the delusion is what? That I am a separate person. And most of you have seen now that this person just does not exist. It was a pure figment of imagination. So all that is happening: the boss is God, you are God, all the work place is God. Everything is only the supreme One. It is only God pretending to play the role or the game of person, personally. So let the One who is doing, do everything anyway. All that you are is Being itself. Just be the witness of all of this play.

And the mind will say ‘But does that mean I will become passive?’ No. Being a witness does not mean that you will become active or passive. It only means that you will become the witness of all of this play. The activity or the passivity is exactly what is meant to unfold. So don’t try to predict what will happen through this body / mind. Because that is asking for guarantees before the surrender. It is like saying that ‘I am completely surrendered, but make sure you take care of the person’. And that is not surrender.

Ustreamer297 says, “Master, there is a concept of recognition left here.”

What recognition? ‘Master, there is a concept of recognition left here’. In the sense of Self-recognition, I’m presuming the question is. So, very good question, and I have the simplest solution for you. Are you aware right now? This recognition, don’t try to make it an experience. If you’re asking for experiences, then that is not Self-recognition. That is just experiences. If you’re asking for fireworks, then that is not Self-realization. Self-realization is asking the simple question: Are you aware right now? And you will simply see that there is an awareness of Awareness already here. And that is Self-recognition, pure Self-recognition with no contamination. I’m happy to carry on this conversation.

Shanti says, “It is seen to be simple and something has been fighting with this simplicity and trying too hard.”  Exactly.  “Leaving this at your holy feet. I love you.”

I love you too. Very good. Yes. We have been making hard work out of nothing at all. The Self is already here.

ShivMahima says, “My family freaks out when concept of leaving job is put in front of them.”

Why do you want to pre-decide whether the job will be left or not? Why do you want to presume that, for Self-realization, the job must be left? Let go of every thought and let every moment unfold on its own. Don’t pre-decide. Don’t pre-judge. Let everything unfold through the grace of the Guru itself.

ShivaMahima: “Thank you.”

Marcel says, “These words…, parting the veil of delusion.” [Big smile].  Very good.

Jasminder says, “Hello. As there is increasing clarity, there is also a sense of depression. Can you help here please?”

Yes. It does seem like that sometimes, because there comes for some Beings a sense of sadness. It’s like a sadness of letting go of an old friend. This is just some emotional residue because we feel like it is the death of something which was always with us. So as we keep letting go of the person idea, for some Beings there emerges some sadness. And, as long as you’re not interpreting or believing the interpretation of this sadness, then this sadness can be allowed to come and go.

I don’t want to glamorize this by saying that this is your time of final struggle. I don’t want to say that this is your forty days and forty nights in the wilderness. I don’t want to say any of that, because ultimately you are completely untouched by this. Just know that it is not uncommon for this kind of sadness to emerge, but you stand your ground. You keep letting go of the interpretation; and you will see that even this, one day when you wake up, will not be there. It is not your depression. It is not your depression. The feelings are arising in some way, the depression is arising in some way. Let it also dance the way it wants to dance, and let it go. Just like any other spiritual experience, any other experience which is coming in front of you, don’t give more reality to the sense of depression. Just know that it is another feeling; that the witnessing of this feeling is untouched by the feeling itself.

Do you feel there is a sense of ‘I am depressed’? Because you already say that more clarity is emerging, therefore it means more freedom is there. Then it cannot be said very easily that ‘I am depressed’. It’s more like some feelings, some dark feelings seem to be emerging and they can be let go of. Don’t resist them. Don’t fight them. Don’t say that they should not come. They’re just some residue, some repressed emotions which are getting released. Let them come and let them go. Don’t analyze them. Don’t interpret them at all. And also, don’t make them a part of any story. Do not say that ‘I am depressed’. You said it already quite well. You’re saying it in the sense of ‘There’s an appearance of this here’. And what appears will disappear also, if we don’t resist it.

Clare says, “Awareness is more natural and effortless than even breathing.”  Yes. It’s the most natural thing that requires no effort at all. The most natural thing. Good.

Ustreamer293 says, “Thank you, Master. I’m very happy right now.”  Very good.

Aradhana says, “Ananta, checking in with you. I feel I am just paddling on the surface of this great ocean of the Self. Not diving deep. Is this true? If so, please help.

If you are paddling on the surface, then the Self is who? The Self must be apparent for you to be able to say that ‘I am paddling on it’. So if you are the paddling or you’re the one paddling, then the Self is who? Hm? Or is it not that the one who is paddling is just purely imagined and you are the Self itself. Which one are you? Are you the paddler or are you the Self? Who is watching this paddling on the Self? Who is the witness of this appearance? I see you as only the Self. And the Self is free to pretend to be anything at all. But you can never really be anything other than what I see you as.

Sindhu says, “Beloved Ananta, the feeling today was that everything is somehow brought back to non-existence. It is all set free in the eternal. Very liberating.” Yes.

You will have this insight that nothing has ever existed anyway. None of this ever really happened. Because you are completely untouched by this play of appearance, you will start questioning the very appearance of the emergence of the appearance at all. And you will see that it never happened. But this cannot be explained to the mind. In fact, very few words are available which can speak of this insight. Yes. So intuitively you will know that this is true. All this Maya, all this Lila has never existed. That is why it is Maya and that is why it is Lila. A delusion is never real. That is why it is delusion.

What is aware right now? What is aware in this very moment?

Aradhana says, “Thank you for reminding of who I really am.”  Very good. “Releasing the discontent felt here, the mind play. Resting at your feet.”  Very good.

That is why we said we have made it completely simple for all of you to come to the complete point of rest. Just in two, three simple pointings. The simplest of pointings. We have only said:  Let go of your next thought. Just let go of your next thought. Then you say that ‘I want the darshan of my true Self’. And I say: Right now! By asking this simple question: Are you aware now? This is the darshan of the true Self. In this very instant, it is available.

And then you say, ‘But I want to see God. I want to find God. I can’t find God, I can’t find Consciousness, I don’t know what ‘I Am’ is’. Then we say: Can you stop being now? Can you stop being now? And this being that you cannot stop is God, is Consciousness, is ‘I Am’. Just because it is so easily accessible, don’t let the mind tell you that this is of no value. This is the crux of all spirituality. All spiritual paths, every sadhana, every practice that you can do will only get you to this point of realizing your own true Self.

These steps, even a child can take. But you have to become child like. If you are trying to take them from the intellect, if you are trying to take them from the mind, it will not happen. So you have to become like a child when you listen to my words, and just something will click on it’s own. Don’t even try to do something about it. Just be open to the Presence of these words and soon there will be this great clarity; and your own Self will be so clear to you that you will laugh about how you ever questioned it; how you ever got confused with the delusion. But, if you are still working towards it, then I can tell you to drop it.

The freedom that you want is here. It is the most simple thing! So in these three simple steps: we have got rid of your suffering, we have shown you your own true Self, and we also got the darshan of God. What else can we possibly want? And, if something doesn’t work, you tell me that this is not working and we can look at it together.

[Long pause while reading the chat responses and looking lovingly into the camera].

Zoe says, “This week end I dropped the effort to make everything happen perfectly and let things happen as they would happen.”   Very good.  “And everything happened perfectly and beyond my imaginings.”  Yes!

It can turn out like this or it can turn out any other way, which the mind was not expecting; but ultimately it will be seen that it is perfect. So don’t expect that it will turn out a certain way according to the mind’s idea of perfection. Just accept that whatever is happening is perfection. Whatever is happening is God’s doing and that itself means perfection. No matter how much our mind disagrees with it, what is happening is happening and we cannot argue with what is appearing.

Ustreamer280 says, “So clearly pointed. Resting in peace.”   Very good.

Vish says, “It’s great when you look at the camera.”  Okay. [Purposely looks at camera and smiles]. “You should look at it more often.”  Yes. I’ll look at it more often.

Zoe says, “Yes. Thank you Father.”   Very good.   “Tears”

Jyoti says, “Yes, yes. It’s great when you look at the camera.”   Yes. [Big smile and lovingly gazes at the camera for some seconds].

Aradhana says, “Yes. True rays of grace for me.”

Shanti says, “Missed some earlier chats.”   That’s Okay.

I feel to tell all of you now, you must sing with joy! Sing with joy because your freedom is here.

And this does not mean that it has to be an external joyous expression. But celebrate the fact that the truth is completely clear. What else is there now left to do? You have seen now that you play as God Himself in this apparent universe. We play as God Himself in this apparent universe. And ultimately even this appearance, you are not.

After knowing this for your own true nature, what else must there be now left to find? Drop these old clothes of the seeker. Drop these old clothes of a spiritual person. In this moment, you have found your truth. And it has always been this. And it is unshakeable. What else is left to do now? Drop even this Guru, teacher / student mindset and come and hug me as One. Not even a smidgen of separation now.

Very good, very good. [Nodding head and smiling while looking at chat]. Yes. I’m not going to read all the messages because we don’t want to make it a tearful satsang. [Smiles and chuckles]. But I read every single one of them, and all your words are going straight into my heart. So much love to all of you, to my own Self. You are my own heart.

Aradhana says, “Big hug Ananta and sangha as One. Sangha of Beyond.”   Yes. Beyond! I love it!

Shanti says, “The One Heart”

Zoe says, “Yes, yes. Sangha of my Heart.”   Very good.  “Group Hug”   Yes.

Prema says, “BEYOND!!!”   And right on cue…

Atma arrives and says, “So much love. Was not able to connect before.”   I was just going to ask where Atma is.

Celebrate your freedom! Stop listening to the mind. Don’t wait for fireworks. Don’t clamor for any experience. You are the supreme One. How can you suffer? Very good. [Nodding and smiling].

Atma says, “Came right on time to see that ‘BEYOND’.” Yes.   [Laughs].

Clare sends kisses and love.  So much love to you, too. Very Good, very good.  [Eyes closed in silence with big smile].

Zoe says, “Long-held worries are dissolving effortlessly.”   Yes.

Prema says, “I celebrate my freedom.”  Very good.

Om says, “Love fest.”  Yes

I feel that, in these three simple pointings, all that must be said is said. Not that there’s an aversion to use any other words, but there is a wonder now as to what else is required. What else is needed to be said? And if you were to publish this as a scripture, it would be the shortest book ever.

The first line being a simple instruction: Let go of your next thought.

The second line would be: To experience God in this very moment by asking: Can you stop being now?’…, and tasting the presence of Being right here. [Snaps fingers].

And thirdly: To experience your own true Self, which is prior to Consciousness by the simple looking that: Are you aware now?

I feel so blessed that the Satguru has put these words in this mouth. Because I truly feel that just in these simple pointings freedom is available to all Beings. In all Beings where there is some openness, freedom is available this very instant.

Atma says, “Yes Father, I do know it. I am the supreme One.”   Very Great.

Om says, “To spend a moment at your feet is our greatest privilege. Needs dissolve, fears dissolve. Just life moving.”    Because this moment is when you’re in touch with your own Presence, your own Being.

[Laughing].  Jyoti says, “It’s quite a good idea for a book.”   Yes. It can be a post card size book. The shortest scripture ever.

Lucian says, “Yes, yes, yes.”   Very good.

Ananya says, “What a blessed life.”

Amaya says, “Wonder of B-E-Y-O-N-D. Celebrating.”   Yes

[Laughs]. Zoe says, “I missed the ‘Beyond’ satsang. What is this ‘Beyond’?”

‘Beyond’ is Atma’s favorite word. And I find it a very beautiful word and especially in her way of expression. It’s so beautiful because it conveys: Beyond thoughts, beyond words, beyond worlds, beyond the person itself. Reality is beyond all phenomena, and this reality is You. That’s why I love this ‘beyond’.

Amaya says, “Hugs and love.”   So much love. Good.

Shanti says, “Bless all Beings in this simplicity. Love you, Father, so much.”   Same, same, dearest One. Same, same.

Zoe says, “Aw, beautiful.”   Yes, yes.

So if any of you feel that something is not clear, don’t feel scared to expose it because of the peer pressure. If you feel that ‘Oh, everybody seems to be celebrating, but I am not understanding anything’ don’t just sit with that. Feel free in satsang to come up and express it. So that we can walk together. We can hold hands and bring you out of this delusion, out of the delusion and into the celebration. That is the power of Presence. That is the power of Satsang. Out of the delusion and into the celebration.

Satsang is the celebration of our own Being, of our own ever-present Self.

Ananya says, “Looking into your eyes, I forget everything else. Such immense peace and joy. YAY, Ananta!”    [Laughing]. Thank you so much my dear. [Gazing with love into camera].

Sindhu say, “Love you so much, beloved Ananta and sangha. Signing out now. Thank you.”  Thank you. So much love. So much love to you, too. See you soon.

Thank you all so very much for joining in satsang today. [Namaste]

May the Master’s grace continue to guide you to the ever-present Self.

So much love. Moojiji Ki Jai!  [Namaste]. [Blows Kisses and waves].

Sangha:  Moojiji ki Jai !  Ananta ki Jai !  Thank you. Love you.

It is so simple actually. A thought actually seems like an invitation or a ticket to get on to a merry-go round.  A thought actually seems like a ticket to get on to a merry-go round. You buy this ticket with your belief and attention, and you are on top of the merry-go round. And it might seem fun at first, but when it keeps going round and round and round and round and round and round, then you will say ‘I am sick of this. I want to get off the ride’. And then I say ‘You hold my hand and you jump off. Nothing will happen to you, you will not get hurt’.

And initially for some of you there is this fear of getting hurt from jumping off the ride. Or maybe there is an expectation still that the ride might get better, but all the ride is doing is going around and around and around. So when you get truly tired then you will accept my invitation to hold my hand and jump off. And then we watch this ride together from a distance. But maybe again sometimes the invitation of a thought comes. ‘Come, come, this ride is different, it will actually get you some joy’. And we purchase this invitation sometimes, and we jump back on.

And sometimes when you just jump back on the ride you are saying ‘Hey, this is so much fun’. But after a while, after it has gone around and around again a few times, you come back to the Satguru and say ‘Hold my hand and help me down’. That is all that is happening in this world. So if you are enjoying the ride, enjoy the ride. If you are tired of the ride, you hold my hand and jump off, and we can enjoy it from a distance. It is as simple as that.

Yes, but you will find that it is not a falling but it is a flying. I said sometime earlier that we are naturally able to fly. Naturally we are able to fly, but we have forgotten about this, we have forgotten about this. And we believe that even to walk we need the crutches of thought. So not only have we forgotten that our natural state is to fly, but we also believe that even to walk we need the crutches of thought. And it is these crutches that we are scared to let go of because we fear that we will fall. But the instant we let go of these crutches, we start to fly.

And flying actually seemed new to us. Because flying seems new to us, initially it seems a little shaky. We often say ‘It does not feel like my feet are on the ground; it feels like I am going to fall any minute’. And that is when the Master says ‘Come, come, let’s fly together. Hold my hand and we will fly together’. Together as one actually. The whole spiritual journey is condensed into this, to get you to a point where there is no need to hold on to any thought. There is no fear of falling.

You will love the Master so much that you know that if he is there with you then nothing can hurt you at all. And with this love letting go becomes the simplest thing. And what is letting go actually? It is not really that we are hanging from some cliff. If it was real that we were hanging from some cliff, then I would understand the fear, but the fact is that we are always the one in which all this appearance is happening. We are even more Supreme than the Supreme Lord itself who is creating this entire universe.

So there is no cliff, there is no flying, and there is no falling also. It only seems this way. And in this play this is how it plays out. Your own heart is holding your hand. And the instant it is realized that it is all one, then everything is completely clear. So letting go is not even of opening your hand, letting go is not even of opening your hand. It is only to not believe the thought that comes next.

Only don’t believe the next thought, that is all that letting go is. That much we can do, no? All of us can do this?

Welcome to satsang today. Moojiji ki Jai.

Welcome, welcome. And if this is your first time here, the way to ask questions is through the chat window. Namaste. Welcome back Clare, good to have you back with us. Namaste Amaya, very good. Yes very good.

Ustreamer180 says, “Love this song playing of the recorded satsang.” Yes, we had some beautiful songs at he end of the silent intensive, so maybe we will make some highlights out of them, no? You can make some highlights out of them and they can also be posted. Namaste everyone, namaste, very good. Om namah Shivaya.

Ustreamer180 is cooking, and in and out of housework today. So we will not say ‘burn everything in the fire of satsang’ today. Rashmi is Ustreamer180 okay. Namaste, Namaste. Very good.

Just relax. Let go of all that needs to be done and let it all unfold on it’s own. It’s that simple actually. Have you all heard the let go joke? The let go joke that Mooji says?

Very good. Wiebke is here, Aryev is here, Cornelia, Zurim, Lucien, very good. Oh. you have not heard the let go joke!? Clare has not heard it, Wiebke has not heard it; Aryev, Stacy is also not sure. Okay. Alright well no one can tell it like he does, so let’s see if I can play it here. So I will play this joke. Unfortunately there is not a way for me to broadcast the video as well.

[Mooji’s joke:] It’s true, the first day we had satsang people were hanging over the side of the building. ‘Let’s hurry up and finish quickly, no accidents’. Oh yes, maybe I can tell you that joke, Thomas’s joke. It’s a good one, isn’t it? Everybody knows it, no? Ah okay. Thomas tells this joke, he says: Once a pilgrim, he was on his way. This is my version I have to speak my version, I don’t know, I make things up. And he is on his journey, this pilgrim is on his journey to some place, and he is walking through the mountain range in the night, and he slips and he tumbles down the side of the hill. And last tumble, at the very edge of the cliff, he is hanging on, dangling, just by holding on maybe to the root of some tree. Down below is a big drop, and he is hanging there all by himself. He is there for a while and he is shouting ‘Help, help, is anybody there? Help!’ Then minutes go past and his arm is hurting. ‘Help!’ He has not enough strength to pull himself up. ‘Is anybody there?’

Then finally a voice came. ‘YES.’ ‘Ah,’ he says, ‘Help. Who is there?’ So a voice says, ‘GOD.’ (He is making special effects: Ah, [sound man] Nataraj.) So the voice says, ‘God.’ He says, ‘God.’ He is dangling still, ‘God, help me. Thank you for coming. What should I do to come up?’ So the voice says, ‘LET GO.’ So he says, ‘Let go?! No. Let go? If I let go I am dead. Help me, what I should do?!’ The voice says, ‘LET GO!’ He says, ‘Let go? God help me please, please, what I should do? Help me.’ … ‘LET GO.’ So he is hanging, he is sighing. So minutes pass, and again his hand is burning now, his fingers are losing their power. He says, ‘Hello? Help. Hello, help. Is anybody there?’ No voice comes. ‘Hello, help, is anybody there?’ So the voice tells again. ‘YES.’ ‘Who is it?’ ‘GOD.’ …..’Is anybody else up there?’

Okay enough of the echo. So, I like this because in some ways, big truths about how we are. There is a prayer which is very, very famous which says ‘Thy Will Be Done’. It finishes like this: ‘Thy Will Be Done’. But secretly we are thinking ‘May my will be done’. Yes, you see? So sometimes it’s not the option that we want, sometimes not what we want. And if we were free of wanting, if you are free of wanting which gives rise to projection, desire, discontent; free of these, we are free. Be free of want, be free. ‘I have another desire, life is not going according to my projections therefore I suffer, therefore life is cruel, life is hard’. We have not learned, even after thousands and thousands of years. We are developed sophisticatedly, our abilities to create and prevent knows no bounds. But in simplicity of being, still the old tendencies still lurk there. So this was a funny story… Is anybody else up there apart from God? Okay anybody have something to say? [End of Mooji’s talk/joke].

Ananta: Moojiji ki Jai! [Namaste].

So it is that simple no? Just that simple.

Aradhana says, “Thank you. Listening to Moojiji and seeing your face beaming filled with love for the Master; such a privilege, thank you.”   Thank you.

Stacy says, “It really is and it feels like falling sometimes.”

Yes, but you will find that it is not a falling but it is a flying. I said sometime earlier that we are naturally able to fly. Naturally we are able to fly, but we have forgotten about this, we have forgotten about this. And we believe that even to walk we need the crutches of thought. So not only have we forgotten that our natural state is to fly, but we also believe that even to walk we need the crutches of thought. And it is these crutches that we are scared to let go of because we fear that we will fall. But the instant we let go of these crutches, we start to fly.

And flying actually seemed new to us. Because flying seems new to us, initially it seems a little shaky. We often say ‘It does not feel like my feet are on the ground; it feels like I am going to fall any minute’. And that is when the Master says ‘Come, come, let’s fly together. Hold my hand and we will fly together’. Together as one actually. The whole spiritual journey is condensed into this, to get you to a point where there is no need to hold on to any thought. There is no fear of falling. You will love the Master so much that you know that if he is there with you then nothing can hurt you at all. And with this love letting go becomes the simplest thing. And what is letting go actually? It is not really that we are hanging from some cliff. If it was real that we were hanging from some cliff, then I would understand the fear, but the fact is that we are always the one in which all this appearance is happening. We are even more Supreme than the Supreme Lord itself who is creating this entire universe.

So there is no cliff, there is no flying, and there is no falling also. It only seems this way. And in this play this is how it plays out. Your own heart is holding your hand. And the instant it is realized that it is all one, then everything is completely clear. So letting go is not even of opening your hand, letting go is not even of opening your hand. It is only to not believe the thought that comes next. Only don’t believe the next thought, that is all that letting go is. That much we can do, no? All of us can do this.

Okay so let’s catch up.

Atma says, “Thank you for reminding us of natural flying.”  Yes.

Rashmi says, “So sweet.” Yes.

Zoe says, “I think I have let go but clearly I haven’t because the idea of letting go of control scares me. I didn’t know this about myself.”

So, don’t plan the future, don’t worry about the past. All that is required is let go of your next thought. Every moment, when the thought comes, just allow it to come and go. And don’t even need to make any conclusions about whether you have let go or not. Even that conclusion is another thought. Your very perfume, the perfume of your Beingness will bless everyone around you; and even then you will be loathe to make any proclamations.

Atma says, “I still fly during the night during my dreams.” Yes.

Stacy says, “Holding your hand, letting go. I feel your presence and love and know that’s all there is. Thank you Father.”  Very good, very good.

Amrita says, “Love you.”  Love you too.

Clare says, “On holiday in Croatia some deeper seeing emerged of subtle shadows of duality in those four areas you talked about.”

Yes. It is only in those four areas, that’s right. Thank you so much.

Stacy says, “It almost feels like the fears of future are trying to fight to stay alive, because there is less attention and belief going to them; like they are panicking. When not thinking of them, they don’t exist.”

‘When not thinking of them they don’t exist’. Don’t even give this much attention to them, not even to figure out what they are, whether they are fears of the future or ghosts of the past. Don’t even need to worry about any of this. Not even this much interest to see what they are. Just they are coming and they are going. There are some tourists who are visiting your area; wherever you are in America, so there are some tourists who are visiting. You don’t even analyze which country they are coming from. Are they from India, are they from Japan, are they from Korea, are they from Europe? No analysis required, they come and they go. Very good.

Ana says, “How to let go also the desire for liberation?”

Yes, it is your very desire for liberation which has got you here. And here you are being told to let go of just simply the next thought. Whatever it might be, how great, important, humble, fantastic, useful, meaningful, however it might sound, you just let go. And you will see that this desire for liberation will also dissolve along with the idea of separation, the idea of being bound. So the idea of being bound and the idea of liberation will dissolve together. Because liberation only means to see that ‘I have never been bound actually’. There is no real bondage here at all. So the desire for liberation has done it’s job. The desire for liberation has done it’s job, it has done whatever it had to do, it has brought you to satsang. Now you will listen to the voice of the Master. And the voice of the Master says: simply just let go of your next thought. Today I am not even saying let go of all thoughts. In any moment just let go of your next thought. That is all that is needed. And then you will see that automatically all belief, all attention and all identification with thought goes away, and your true nature is what emerges clearly for you. It has always been this but we have only been distracted by our thoughts. Nothing real has changed actually.

Sindhu says, “Such a blessing to be in satsang forever.”  Very good.  “So much love beloved Ananta.”  So much love to you too my dear. Very good.

Stacy says, “Thank you, thank you for your guidance.”  Very good.

Ana says, “Yes, Ananta, thank you.”  Very welcome. Very good.

Sindhu says, “Silently receiving all the love given by Mooji and you.”  Very good.

Zoe says, “Thank you so much, beloved Father. Your word goes straight to the heart.”

Yes, same, same, dear one. Same, same. Your words also go straight to the heart, very good.

Marcel, so much love to you too, very good.

Lucien says, “Exposing doubt and fear which have been a part of my identity. Can I fully count on the Satguru in all situations under all aspects?”

‘Exposing doubt and fear which have been a part of my identity. Can I fully count on the Satguru in all situations under all aspects?’ Yes. Who else would you count on? If you were to give me a list of options, you would say Satguru and who else? Who are the others that you would count on? What is the reality of the existence of any of the others? So surrender only means to see that you are already surrendered. There is nothing you can do anyway, because the person just does not exist. So when you speak from the perspective of the person we can say that you just do not exist at all. So who else then would you count on?

Atma says, “Lovely, so much love, sweet Father.”  So much love to you, too.

We must see this now, that when we say surrender we are recognizing the truth of what already is. You are not the doer, you are only an idea. If you still refer to yourself as a person, then be clear that you are only an idea, a figment of imagination. Pure conjecture. So what option do you have except to count on the Satguru? The only option you have is to either see reality for what it is, or to continue to live in this imaginary delusion of a separate existence. Very good.

Amrit Gaurav says, “Anantaji, true.”

‘True’. From the previous one, okay let me read again.

Amrit Gaurav says, “Anantaji, this morning when I was washing my hands, suddenly I saw my hands are being washed. I am not washing it. What is that want to?”

Can we re-phrase the last part again? But I see where you are coming from. It was very nice to see this. Washing his hands in the morning, and he sees that it is all being done on it’s own actually. There is no person actually doing anything at all, because that would admit to the possibility of the existence of a person; but this person can never be found. No person can ever find himself; no person can ever find himself. What is found is that the person never existed, and that the reality of Beingness and the awareness of even this Beingness is ever-present. That’s why I say that: If this is a personal journey trying to find who the person is, then the only conclusion you will come to is that the person just does not exist.

Ustreamer180 says, this is Rashmi, she says, “I second Amrit. Suddenly something feels very raw.”

Very good. What you are calling raw I am calling your natural state without the burden of doership. This is the natural state. It will seem new initially. Like my Master says, it seems there is a switching over of power from the person to Being itself. So it can be experienced for many as withdrawal symptoms from the person, which are not that great. For some others it can be experienced as bliss, joy. But what these by-products are is not important. What is important is that a person is being dissolved. The idea of a person is not being believed in anymore. Very good.

Amrit says, “What is that that wants to know ‘What was that?’”

Yes. We want to know what that was. It was a moment of clarity actually. It was a moment of clarity where it is seen that this is how things are happening on their own anyway. It is just that the monkey sitting in our heads is taking credit for everything, where actually it can not do anything. It is just the narrator, the interpreter, taking credit for doing everything.

Yes, so Rashmi says, “Yes sometimes even small movements of the body feel so enjoyable.”

Yes, yes, this natural joy will always be with you. That is why we can only laugh with those who say ‘I have renounced the world’ and they go about life in a very glum, in a very morose fashion. All that is needed is to renounce the mind, to renounce the ego. And once that is renounced, you will see in every moment; and every movement, like you said, is full of joy. It ceases to be even something special actually.

So simple isn’t it? Have we gone too far? Are we just presuming that it is so simple, or do all of you see the simplicity of this? And don’t be fearful of any peer pressure. If you are still finding that something is strong, that something is not clear, then feel free to expose it.

Rashmi says, “As always…” (an ad, I am presuming) “…came up when my question was being answered.”

Clare says, “Yes.”

Atma says, “To renounce the ego.”  Yes.

Rashmi, “It is so funny. No ad, some pressing issue at home.”

Yes. Maya clearly doesn’t want you to leave. But soon, in fact right now, you can see that you are beyond this maya, you are ‘amaya’, untouched by this play; because what is speaking actually is speaking from within your own heart. But it can seem to play like this.

Rashmi says, “I had my laptop in one hand, and dealing with the issue with the other.” Yes.

Vive says, “Yes, it is simple.”

Very good. Where is the struggle now? Where is the effort now? Where is the striving for even freedom? Now we can just rest in the assurance of our own true Beingness.

Atma says, “Yes, I am amaya.”  Beautiful.

Stacy says, “No struggle, clear, just peace.”

Vive says, “No effort.”

Lucien says, “It seems like every morning something goes back to a sort of person-hood, and I have to pick up the inquiry and reach stable grounds. It is becoming more like this play; but still exposing it.”

It is very good. It is becoming lighter and lighter, it’s very good. For some it might feel like it is oscillating very strongly. So all this is also part of the play. And I know for a fact that you are nothing but the awareness of this play, irrespective of whether it is a gentle movement towards dissolution, or it seems like a tsunami and then a low-tide or something like that.

Okay let’s catch up.

Louise says, “Father, I can see that some thoughts still have a sense of ‘me’ in them but I don’t feel worried. A deep trust is growing.”

Very good. In fact, all thoughts, we say, refer to you as a person. Even when they call you God, they are referring to the person having become God. That is why it is safest to ignore all thought. Let them all come and go. Your Self does not need to rely on thoughts to play any role also.

Ustreamer716 says, “My desire to do a lot of good in the world with psychotherapy and meditation still lives. ‘Could this be God’s thought?’ says something here. Is this my ego again?”

Yes. All the action that is meant to happen through you can continue to happen. So if the action is of some sort of healing, psychotherapy, some other meditation classes, all this is okay as long as you are not putting on the persona of the healer, of the psychotherapist or the teacher. And God does not need to rely on thoughts to execute his plan. If this is what is meant to happen through this body-mind, then it will happen.

The interpreter or the narrator is just keeping your attention distracted. If that is truly God’s plan then it does not need to convey it through thought. Who is God speaking to? Because if God needed to convey it through some thought that would mean that there are two. There is God and there is you; and the medium of communication is required between them. This is not the reality. The separate person just does not exist, and you are God itself. So even these thoughts can safely be let go of. And you will find that automatically the action is happening through this body.

Aryev says, “Dear Ananta, if the person cannot be the doer then nothing at all can be done, even surrendering. Please explain.”

Yes. This seems to be some sticky point for you, Aryev, so let’s look at this clearly today. So you say ‘Yes, a person does not exist therefore it can do nothing at all, even surrendering’. So we are not asking the person to surrender. We are not asking the person to surrender because we know that a person can not do anything at all. This is communication between Consciousness, within Consciousness, with Consciousness itself. And that is why we jokingly say that ‘This is rehab for God himself’. God himself has created this delusion, God himself has created this situation, God himself has got identified with the belief of a person, and God himself is saying ‘Get me out of this’ and God himself is answering that: ‘It is simple. You were never a person, you are God himself. No person can do anything and no person can experience anything, there is no person here’. That is why I say that to say that you are the doer, to God, ‘You are the doer but I am still the experiencer’ is still only the half truth. The full truth is that only God does and only God experiences, so this is nothing but God’s communion with himself.

To give you an instruction as a person would give reality to the person idea. Nothing is said here which is meant for some person to do. The person is the result of some thought. The person idea is only the result of belief in thought. Therefore a belief or an idea cannot be given any instruction. Who would carry out this instruction? So the root of this is that you still consider that you are a person, and the person must do something including surrender. But we are not referring to you and me as people. Sometimes we might, just for the ease of pointing or if the words come like that; sometimes it can be done like that just for communication. But truly this is consciousness speaking with consciousness. It is truly a monologue actually, and that is why it is ‘Advaita’. Very good.

Amaya says, “Peaceful, quiet, spacious, at rest. Feels like love beyond definition.”

Very good, very good. ‘Peaceful, quiet, spacious, at rest’. Yes. These are the gifts of Self discovery, these are the gifts of going beyond maya. Very good.

Amrit says, “Thank you, Anantaji.”  Very welcome.

Cornelia says, “These changes are slow. Start with short flashes, and already starts to another level, but these are seen too. Just wanted to expose.”

Very good. And don’t even presume, don’t even predict that it will be slow or fast or ‘for me it is slow, for another it is very fast’. Just be the watching itself.

Lucian says, “Thank you for seeing me as I am. This is the most precious gift. Love you so very much.”  Love you too, my dear.

It is impossible for me to see you as anything but my own true Self. But in the play it might seem like…, when there are some words which are coming from you and I might need to be a little strong to clarify those or to pretend as if it is two people talking. But truly I can only see you as my true Self.

Atma says, “Very beautifully explained, thank you, Father.”  Very good, very good. “It is so clear.”  Very good.

Rashmi says, “Everything seems so hilarious today, thank you.”  Very good.

You will see the hilarity of all of this. The world seems like one big happy joke.

Wiebke says, “I am dealing with health issues combined with guilt, but seeing takes place that there is actually nothing.”  Very good.

Life creates sometimes very strong situations; illness, diseases. Through all of this you see that you are the witnessing itself. The pure witness of awareness itself. And therefore these so-called crises are also opportunities to transcend. We said, you know last time, that the Chinese actually have the same word for ‘crisis’ and ‘opportunity’. So all that seems like a crisis is actually an opportunity to transcend.

Cornelia says, “Thank you Ananta.”  Very welcome, very welcome.

It is so simple actually. A thought actually seems like an invitation or a ticket to get on to a merry-go round.  A thought actually seems like a ticket to get on to a merry-go round. You buy this ticket with your belief and attention, and you are on top of the merry-go round. And it might seem fun at first, but when it keeps going round and round and round and round and round and round, then you will say ‘I am sick of this. I want to get off the ride’. And then I say ‘You hold my hand and you jump off. Nothing will happen to you, you will not get hurt’. And initially for some of you there is this fear of getting hurt from jumping off the ride. Or maybe there is an expectation still that the ride might get better, but all the ride is doing is going around and around and around. So when you get truly tired then you will accept my invitation to hold my hand and jump off. And then we watch this ride together from a distance. But maybe again sometimes the invitation of a thought comes. ‘Come, come, this ride is different, it will actually get you some joy’. And we purchase this invitation sometimes, and we jump back on. And sometimes when you just jump back on the ride you are saying ‘Hey, this is so much fun’. But after a while, after it has gone around and around again a few times, you come back to the Satguru and say ‘Hold my hand and help me down’. That is all that is happening in this world. So if you are enjoying the ride, enjoy the ride. If you are tired of the ride, you hold my hand and jump off, and we can enjoy it from a distance. It is as simple as that.

Louise says, “It feels very quiet in satsang today.”  Yes, it does.

Wiebke says, “So much peace, thank you.” Very good.

Atma says, “Thank you beloved, much love.”  Same, same. She says, “Yes, bring me with you Father.” Yes, very good.

Aryev says, “That is very true, thank you for pointing it out.”  Very welcome.

Clare says, “Holding your hand and watching the pulls of identity. None are true.”

Yes, none are true. The ride never moves forward. The ride never moves forward, it only goes around and around.

Vive says, “Thank you for this pure clarity and compassion.”  Very welcome. Thank you too, my dear.

Good. So much love, Ian, so happy. Very good.

So now just realized we can play some. Actually I wanted to find the video where the sangha are singing the blues. Did you all hear that in the satsang yesterday, the satsang with Moojiji? There was this very nice song at the end. So I don’t feel I will be able to play it right now, but all of you can watch it later.

Thank you all so very much for joining in satsang today. Moojiji ki Jai.

Ian said, “Gratitude and Love.”

Louise said, “So happy to hold your hand Father. Thank you so much.”  Thank you.

Ustreamer716 says, “Letting go of one thought at a time.”  Very good. “That really helps to see how simple and easy this is.”  Yes it is that simple. Just the next thought.

Ustreamer438 says, “Thank you for your reassuring words. So much love. Yes it was great fun.”  Very good.

Ana says, “Yes so nice. Thank you, Jai.”

Thank you all so very much. Thank you, thank you, thank you. [Namaste]

Sangha:  Moojiji ki Jai ! Anantaji ki Jai ! Thank you. Love you.

Namaste everyone, very warm welcome to Satsang today. Moojiji ki Jai.

I’m very sorry I’m late today. I just got stuck in another meeting and lost track of time. I feel what we can do is that the Bangalore Sangha, if someone can call me if I’m more than five minutes late, someone can give me a call. I also wasn’t able to put up the Satsang reminder, so if one of you could do that? Just say that we started now.

If this is your first time here, the way to ask questions is through the chat window.  Namaste, Namaste. And I’m just presuming that audio and video are working fine, but if there’s a problem you let me know. Thank you, thank you.

Who are you without your past? Who are we without our pasts? Suppose that all memory was just made up, just imagined. Who would we be without our memory? And who are you without your future? Without your ideas of what the future must be, who are you? When these ideas about who we were and who we want to be are kept aside, then we are what is. Very good.

Atma says, “Just Pure Presence, I Am.”  Good.

Cornelia says, “So happy without memory.” Yes.

Louise says, “Namaste Father, love you”.  Love you too. Good.

Amaya says, “No future. More fully present without memories. Surrendering how loved most memories are.”

UStreamer80 says, “This.”  Yes, very good…, ‘This’.

Atma says, “Thank… <censored>…your feet.”  Thank…, there’s a word missing. ‘Thank you, at your feet’ I’m presuming.

So right now, in this moment, be free from all ideas about your past. Stop interpreting your past to mean something. And stop deciding what must happen in the future. Let go of past and future right now. There is no time like the present. The present is the present because of the Presence. The Presence is only here. The Presence is only now. Drop all ideas about past and future. Be a newborn baby this very moment, in every moment. Be completely fresh right here, right now. Nothing has ever happened and nothing is going to happen. Is this Freedom, or is this a sense of disappointment to you? And we can share whatever is coming up.

Ustreamer19 says, “I suffer with thoughts regarding my work as a doctor. Work brings in all thoughts of comparison, money, competition, future, position; all leads to suffering. There is strong feeling to do charity work. Is charity work better in letting go of this identity?”

I would not necessarily say that. I would not necessarily say that charity work is better as work. This might come as a surprise to some of you that I’m saying this. But it is not the content of work actually, but if we are identifying as the doer of that action.  I used to actually run a charity many, many years ago. It was called the Kushal Foundation where we used to have doctors take care of under-privileged children in the slums of Bangalore. But if charity is done with a sense of ‘there’s a person doing the charity’, in the charity work, I’ve seen the strongest ego’s I’ve ever encountered, actually. I’ve seen many, many egos that are so strong because it becomes all about personal glory, it becomes all about specialness. Note that I’m not saying that we must not do charity, I’m only saying we must not give rise to the person idea, irrespective of our content of work.

So you say ‘I suffer from thoughts regarding my work as a doctor,’ but you cannot show me where this doctor is. So “doctor” is just another identity you have taken on for yourself. But this doctor identity is dressing up a non-existent entity. The person who is a doctor just does not exist. The most natural reaction is to say, ‘but I am the doctor.’ But this “I”, can you show me this “I”, who is the doctor? And the mind will come and say ‘but that is very difficult.’ And therefore we say, that just let go of your thoughts first. It feels so deluded and confused by our thoughts, than true inquiry can never happen actually. So the simplest way first is to let go of all thoughts.

And what does it mean when we say let go of all thoughts? It only means divest them of your belief. Don’t believe anything that they are saying, because everything that you believe the mind is saying is going to make the false idea of being an individual entity, it will make that seem truer and truer. So first rid yourself from this false identity by letting go of all your thoughts and then you will find that only auspiciousness is flowing through your body. It does not matter whether you are in a commercial establishment as a doctor or in a charity establishment as a doctor. You will see that your life will be in service on it’s own, without this false sense of doer-ship or choice. Both the doctor identity and the charity worker identity are just identities of nothing itself.

The ego does not exist. It is just purely imagined. And if you feel that this individual identity exists, can you show me where it is? Can you show me what it looks like? When was this born? And then you will find that all these decisions of where life has to go come on their own. They arise in your heart and you know with full clarity that this is what your next step is going to be. And you won’t ask for guarantees. You won’t say that this is where my next step is going to be, but show me first where I’m going to be five years later. Where is this leading me? That question will go away. When you’re so established in your true nature, then there will be no fear of the future also. Because you realize that no matter what the content of this life is, in reality you do not change in any way. The content of your life does not touch you at all.

Very good.

So Atma says, “A new born baby every moment, yes.  Atma says “It is freedom, freedom, freedom.” Very good.

Amaya says, “Coming up: Memory is flashes in the moment. Don’t feel am hanging onto them, but do love when they arise. This is okay, isn’t it? Present with what arises on its own?”

Yes, just to be neutral and just to be the witness, and the witnessing of all that is arising is absolutely fine. But once we start attaching to them, that ‘This is my memory, this happened with me’ then we are perpetuating the story of this ‘me’. So the ‘me’ had a past, then the ‘me’ will have a conclusion about the present and the future as well. So as long as we look at them as just another appearance and they are allowed to be let go of, then it is fine. But the moment we start attaching them to the ‘story of me’, the ‘non-existent me’, then they are bound to cause suffering at some point; because it is not the story of you actually. It is only the story of the appearance. It is the story of the imagined one.

Ustreamer80 says, “Nothing to be free, nothing to be bound. This is freedom.”  Yes.

If we are completely in the present, we are completely with the Presence, then we say there is no freedom, no bondage. It is the state of no freedom and no bondage, which is referred to as Freedom. [Laughter] Good.

Aradhana says “Namaste, Ananta. Just joining, sorry a bit late.”

No problem at all, I also got more than a bit late today.  So some of you in Bangalore can give me a call if I’m more than five minutes late in Satsang, just give me a call. Good.

Amaya says, “Like a nice movie, but seen as not real. Still, place this love of memories at your feet,”  Good. Yes, if it is like a nice movie, it is fine. It’s fine. “…since it does really seem the memories are me.”

It really does seem, yes. Then it’s good that you’re transcending this now. It’s very good. Whose memories are they, who’s memories are they? If there is no person to be found here now, then was there ever a person here anyway? And if there was no person here anyway, then these are not personal memories.

Ustreamer19 says, “I cannot find the identity right now.”

We can never find the identity in the right now. The moment we look for the identity, we see that the identity was not real. That is the power of the Present; that is the power of Now. That in the now when we look for the identity, it is never found.

“The thoughts regarding this identity sneak in always, and so hard to catch it. I really want to be free. Thank you.”

Yes. The thoughts can be allowed to sneak in, but don’t hold onto them. Let the thoughts come and let the thoughts go. And you will say that ‘attention goes to them’. Yes. It is true that initially I do not say that withdraw your complete attention from them. But what I do say is that divest them of your belief at least. It is easier to divest all thoughts from your belief. It’s like saying that ‘Don’t think of a white monkey’, and immediately your attention will go to the thought or visual of a white monkey. So I’m not saying don’t give your attention to the white monkey, I’m only saying that don’t believe that you are the white monkey. It seems easier, isn’t it?

Therefore, when a thought comes, all you do is start with divesting your belief from it. The simple way of doing that is to just let it come and let it go. You will see that they will just flow like this. If it seems too sticky, then you can inquire and say ‘Who is this thought speaking to? Who is this thought speaking to?’ And you will find that these thoughts will start losing their bite, they will start losing their potency. They will lose their strength. And as they start losing their strength, you will find that your attention is automatically withdrawing from them as well. Thoughts will not take so much of your attention once belief is withdrawn from them. Once you stop caring about what they are saying, then your attention will not go so much to them. Once you have no interest in the content of thought, then thought will become miniscule. They will have practically no power over you.

But do not say that thoughts must not come, or thoughts must not sneak in. Thoughts sneak in for everyone. In fact, there is no gate trying to stop thoughts from coming. Be completely open to all thoughts to come. And just with this simplicity, letting all thoughts come and go, I can guarantee you that this is the end of your suffering. This is the end of your suffering. It’s not a small thing that we say. It seems like the simplest thing, but it is the most powerful sadhana and the simplest way. Ultimately, what we all wanted was this freedom from suffering. And just in the simplest way it is yours.

So the identity does not exist without belief in some thought. Without believing the thought, can you tell me who you are? All of us can do this: without relying on a thought, can we find who we are? Just in the pure looking itself.

Why must we have to refer to thoughts to find out who we are? To refer to a thought would be like I say ‘Go and see outside the window what is there’, and you want to refer the Internet to find out what’s outside the window. So instead of looking outside the window, you go and do a Google search. That is the same thing that we are doing; instead of just looking at who we are, we are asking our mind to answer this question for us. But this interpreter, this imagined one, will never give us the right answer. Because it actually does not know anything about reality. It has no capacity to look. Yet we want this one to give us the right answer. So keep aside all answers of the mind and just look for yourself what is outside your window. So now you can look for yourself: Who is behind these eyes? Who is looking through these eyes? Is there a person sitting there? What does this person look like?

Very good. Marcel says “Even presence is perceived.”

Exactly. So you are the Pure Awareness in which even Being wakes up, and then it is called the waking state. So it is seen that I Am. Even the I Am-ness is seen. And the seeing of this I Am-ness also, this seeing is You. This Pure Awareness is You. Then it becomes perfectly clear that ‘I was never a thing. I was never an entity. I can never be a phenomena. All phenomenon arise within Me’. Very good.

Wiebke says, “Just this Being, seeing, stillness and everything comes out of this.” Very good. “Feeling one with all.” Very good.

Prema says, “In the Presence now, just joy in the heart.”   Yes.

Amaya says, “Didn’t hear you read when wrote ‘surrendering this at your feet’.”  Okay, thank you.  “Please take it?”

Yes, I’m very happy to take these gifts. Hand over all that is false to me, I know exactly what to do with it. Hand over your past and hand over your future. Hand over your expectations and give up your memories. In this fresh Beingness, we are One. Very good.

Ustreamer29 says, “I feel like sitting for hours to finish with it all. Still a sense that the ego can do it.”  Yes.  “The Silence helps and feels right, but concerned about the ego still meditating.”

The ego cannot meditate. The ego has no power to do anything at all. The ego is just an imagined, mythical concept. It’s just a set of ideas. Can an idea do something? So how many hours does it take to finish it all? What must be finished and how long must it take? Is the Truth not here right now? If we drop the past and don’t pick up the future, then what is here right now? Where is the bondage now? Can you show me the un-free one? Is it not just your imagination?

“I surrender this to You.”  Yes, very good.

You are already free. I refuse to go with your imagination about bondage. If the Self is real, it must be here now. This is self-realization. This is freedom. Refuse to go with any imagination, no matter how compelling or strong it seems, you stay here with me. Refuse to leave home. Don’t try to go home, you are already home. Refuse to believe the serpent’s voice, which is trying to convince you otherwise. Believe this voice, which is coming from your own heart. Stay here now. What is here right now does not need time. It does not need effort. It does not need space. It is the dropping of the notions of time, effort and space. Drop all ideas about yourself. Let all of them come and go. They have nothing to do with you.

Atma says, “The simpler than simplest.”  Yes.

Atma says, “The end of suffering, yes, Father.”  Very good.

Very good, Amaya says, “All memories are ‘seen’ and freedom is true only.”  Very good.

Aradhana says, “So true, without referring to a thought, am no one, there is nothing here.”  Very good.

Ustreamer80 says, “No person here. Nothing here, no knowledge, words. Still these words come.”  Very beautiful, very good, very good.

Ustreamer80 says, “Thank you.”  Thank you so much.

Atma says, “Thank you, Beloved Father.”  Very welcome.

Much love, Lizelle. Very good.

Aradhana says, “Handing over all to you, Ananta. This present moment is all there is. All else surrendered at your feet.”  Very good. Very good.

Atma says, “Same here, same / same.”

Ustreamer80 says, “No time here.”  Yes.

Ustreamer22 says, “Surrendering past and future at your feet.”  Very good.

Atma says, “Here with you, not leaving home.”  Very good.

If you refuse to believe all ideas about yourself, then you’ll see that your own natural state is always That. You are this Pure Awareness. You are the Unchanging One. Time and space are meaningless for you. The universe is here in service to you, but it will never serve the person. Find out who you are. If you still feel there is something you can do, then only do this. Find out who you are. Don’t presume anything about yourself. Don’t accept even the Master’s word about yourself. See for yourself who you are. Find out what separates you. Find out if anything separates you from the seeing itself. What is the distance between Awareness and you? Let go of all that the mind is saying.

Atma says, “Pure Awareness, Fresh.”  Yes.

Cornelia says, “During the day are brief moments when I see the Leela; feel like in the eyes of others, see myself. But after that anger comes, and cannot manage. Then say, I give to you, I surrender it to you.”

Yes. So all these appearances can come. But even in all of this Leela, your true nature does not change. It’s very good what you say, that when some moment of clarity comes, all this is surrendered immediately. All thoughts that were believed in, even momentarily, are then surrendered. Very good.

Aradhana says, “So clear is the seeing in the presence of the Satguru here now; that Awareness is all there is.”  Very good.  “Untouched by the stream of information that flows in from the senses and mind.”  Very good.

And from this perspective, it is seen that it was always this way, isn’t it? There has never been a moment where truly you became the ego. There only seem like the time where you pretended to be one. Reality cannot change. Reality needs no effort.

Wiebke says, “Yes!!! Same / same.”  Very good.

In the Satguru’s presence, all Freedom is here. All understanding arises on it’s own. When we drop all effort, then we see that to realize our own Self is the simplest thing. It is prior to any effort. Effort implies going somewhere, doing something. But to go somewhere only seems to take us away from the Truth. Where must we need to go to find our own Self? The Self is always here alone. What effort is needed to come here? What effort is needed to be in the Now? Before time and space, You are. Before even Consciousness or Beingness, You are. Where must you go to find yourself? What confirmation are you seeking?

Atma says, “Always here, always here… only Is.”  Yes.  “At your feet, love you.”   Love you too, my dear. Good.

Wiebke says, “So clear that I was always this.”  Very beautiful. Very good.

Is there anything else we can become? Is there anything possible that can make us the non-Self? Can anything actually make us a person? What can imprison the sky? Who can put a chain around space? And You are prior to both the sky and space. What can bind you?

Aradhana says, “Thank you Ananta for this oasis of Grace in the middle of the <censored..”  The desert, I’m presuming; there’s a blank there.  “Much gratitude and love.”  Thank you so much. Good.

Zurim says, “All my tendencies to listen and believe the mind at your feet, Beloved Father.”  Very good, very good. Yes.

Atma says, “Nothing can make us a person; is simply impossible. All the suffering in my life was actually only a thought. Wow.”  Yes. And she says, “Understood completely.” Very good.

Drop all concepts about the past and the future. Drop all concepts about yourself. Be the newborn one. You have no history. You have nowhere to go. You have nothing to learn. And there is nobody you need to become. Stop trying. Drop all efforts. Don’t resist. Don’t expect. And don’t complain. Don’t judge what is. Accept the appearance as an appearance. Know that Reality is untouched by any appearance. This is Freedom. Here I Am. Here we are One.

Ustreamer80 says, “All is Shiva.”  Yes.

Aradhana says, “Awareness alone. Om Namah Shivaya.”  Om Namah Shivaya.

Atma says, “Thank you, thank you, thank you. Freedom is understanding that I have always been free.”  Yes.

Thank you all so very much for joining us in satsang today. Moojiji ki Jai!

And I’ll see most of you tomorrow. For most of the day, we’ll be together tomorrow in silence, in the Silent Retreat. And those of you attending tomorrow, try to begin your silence a few hours before the Silent Retreat. I’m not mandating anything, but it’s good if you marinate in your own silence for as long as possible before tomorrow morning’s Satsang. So as much silence as preferable. As much silence as is practically possible for you who are attending online. And in any case, those who are attending in person tomorrow will be given an environment where they can be completely silent. But for the rest of you, just be as silent as practically possible. Carry this intent in your heart.

So much love and I’ll see all of you soon. Love, love, love.

Moojiji ki Jai! [Namaste]

Sangha: Moojiji ki Jai!  Anantaji ki Jai! Thank you. Love you.

Namaste everyone, a very warm welcome to satsang today. Moojiji ki Jai.

Thank you all so much for joining in, and if this is your first time, the way to ask questions is through the chat window. We also have Ananya here with us today, so she can also ask questions is something comes. I actually don’t see a video, so if someone can tell me that the video and audio are working fine? Rashmi says ‘All is fine’. Okay, wonderful. Namaste, everyone. Namaste. Both are perfect. Ok, very good.

So what should we speak about today?

Jyoti says, “So happy to be here with you again.”

Thank you. Welcome back, dear one. Welcome. I hope you had a wonderful stay at Monte Sahaja.

Alright, so Rashmi says she would like to speak about resistance.

Dorthe said, “Why do we create depression?”

And Aradhana is using the handle Ustreamer33. Namaste.

So let’s talk about resistance.

Jyoti says, “Yes, of course, it was very beautiful.”

The resistance. So when a thought comes and it is given our attention and some belief, then what can happen…, depending on the type of thought it is? So usually most thoughts are resisting reality, in the sense that they’re not saying that what is here is perfectly fine.

What they are saying is that ‘This is here but something else is actually what I want’. So the non-acceptance of the ‘what is’ is resistance actually.

So any time we buy this kind of thought which says something that ‘what is’ is not good enough, or ‘what is’ should be different, then that is resistance. If you were to just accept the ‘what is’ then there would be no resistance. That’s why acceptance is one of the most important fruits of satsang. Because we get tired of fighting life. The life before satsang seems to be life with a lot of just fighting with whatever has come up, and you see most of our cultures are built around this.

‘Don’t give up’. ‘You can win’. ‘You can do it’. ‘You must’. ‘You can’.  Ambition. Leadership. Most of these concepts are based around ‘How we can fight with life and win?’ But there are two problems with this. The first problem is that we hardly ever define what our goal for this is. What do we mean by winning actually? Because if winning truly meant just coming to a place of peace and happiness and joy, then that is very simple to get to. But we say that that is what we want, but we also say that this amount of money or this kind of relationship or something like that will get us there.

But that hardly ever works, or I can say that it never works actually. Because for the mind there is never any peace in any of this. It always says, ‘Ok well done.  Let’s go a little more’. If it’s behaving well, that is. So then we start with a vague idea about what it means to live and when we start with this vague idea of what it means to live, then we get to…, even if we achieve all that we want to achieve, it does not give us the satisfaction we are looking for.

The second and the bigger problem is that we just presume that we must be this imagined entity and all goals, all things that we want to achieve, are for this imagined entity; which is a great sham, isn’t it? It’s a great sham and it’s a great shame also, [Laughter], that we spend so many lifetimes just catering to this imagined entity. So all resistance is in the form of this imagined entity. All resistance is because of belief in this imagined entity; that there is still a person there that wants life to be in a certain way. And when life does not seem to be going in that way, then we fight it or we believe thoughts that it should not be that way. And I know the trigger for this question could have been because of my post where I said that ‘I know it’s just two days before the Silent Intensive and some of you will face a lot of resistance’. And this always happens.

Not just the mind, but it seems like the whole Leela conspires to prevent this Freedom to happen. There was one Silent Intensive where we were supposed to go. Ananya might have heard the story, but some of you might not have heard it; which is that we were meant to go for the Silent Intensive with Mooji, both Garima and I wanted to go, and the kids were supposed to go along with us. So just before the day of the Silent Intensive our son broke his hand; he fractured his wrist in a few places. So suddenly this thing came, ‘Oh, this has happened, hence we just cannot go’. So thankfully what happened is we felt we must speak to Mooji about this. So we called up Tiru; this was when the retreats were happening in Tiru. So we called Tiru and requested to speak with Mooji and Mooji said, ‘Just come. Whatever it is, you just come’.

And we were so happy that we went actually. Because his hand was fine after that. Everything was fine and he had a great time until he was well. So a lot of these seemingly external resistances can come. And sometimes it can be in the form of family members, they’ll try to guilt-trip us. All kinds of things will happen, and then something will say, ‘Okay, I cannot do this’. And Mooji still talks about this. He says, especially in the retreats they have, their bookings get over like in ten minutes, right? They open the bookings and three hundred…, tac..tac..tac. They have bookings, and things like that, they get over in ten minutes. Somebody who’s waiting online, just waiting for 12 am in the morning and they’re waiting to book the thing. After having paid, after having booked airline tickets, then also on the last day they will call Mooji and say, ‘I cannot come’.

And usually, ‘I don’t care about the money. I don’t care about anything, but this has happened and I cannot come’. And Mooji always, always, always says, ‘Just come’. So this kind of external resistance can also seem to come.

Let’s catch up on the chat.

Shanti says, “For some reason, not Shanti on Ustream today.”  Her Ustream handle is not showing up.  “But here and loving it just the same.”

Soham says, “There has been much resistance to world events lately, disgust and disappointment arises with this. Yet, in ‘personal life’ all is fine and everything is accepted.”

So there was a question before this which we forgot about, which was the question on depression. Dorthe asked about depression. It’s actually very easy to get depressed. We’ve spoken about this. To get depressed is the simplest thing. All we have to do is take one hour to ourselves and just believe every thought that is crossing our mind. That’s the opposite of Satsang. Instead of spending this time, 4:30 to 5:30, you take one hour and say ‘I’m going to believe every thought that crosses my mind’ and I can guarantee you that after that one hour you will be depressed.

“One thought itself,” Ananya says, is strong enough to depress us.

So it’s very, very easy to get depressed. And what happens…, it’s a very attractive state for the ego because in the depressed state then it’s a constant state of following our thoughts, believing all our negativity, believing all our thoughts about everything that is coming up in the world,  then it is a very great state for the ego. Because there’s no question of…, in such a state, unless you really take it to the limit, in that kind of depressed state in moderation actually can last for a long, long time. But if we get really deeply depressed then something snaps sometimes. And you say like Eckhart Tolle had this thing, very strong depression.

“Fifteen years,” she says.

His depression lasted fifteen years. It seems so he had such a strong depression that one day he just said, ‘I am sick of myself’. And in that one statement there was grace there, so he just saw that ‘I am sick of myself means what?  Are there two of me? Who is the one who’s sick of who?’

And in that question, that simple inquiry, he says the ego just dropped and he found himself completely free. But depression cannot happen without belief in a thought. I have many close ones who suffer from these issues of depression and things like that, and I see that there are many bio-chemical reactions, many of these things happen. So it’s okay if it’s a strong thing; I say it’s okay to get some treatment if you feel that some treatment is required. Like we say, if the car needs some servicing, get it some servicing. Just do not say that ‘I am the car’. And you will find that more and more you are in Satsang you will have the ability to let go of your thoughts, and if you let go of all your thoughts it’s just not possible to get depressed.

Ananya says, “So we can say that it’s letting go of ‘what if’ and accepting what is.”

Very nice.  There’s a quote by Ananya. She says, “Letting go of ‘what if’ and accepting what is.”

So Soham says ‘There has been much resistance to world events lately, disgust and disappointment arises with this.  Yet, in ‘personal life’ all is fine and everything is accepted’.  But what is a world event? Is it just not another appearance? I know it sounds like I’m being cruel or without any compassion when I say things like this. There are many things which are constantly happening in the world; and with the Middle East there’s enough to cause how many centuries has it already been there? And it can go on for many, many centuries like this. But who is the one who is experiencing disgust? Who is the one who gets disappointed? So we have to see that there is a fine line there. So like I say that it’s okay to say that this colour is red, but does this colour have the ability to cause suffering for me? Do I not see that this red is just another projection of the same consciousness?

The same consciousness which projects our dreams is projecting this so-called waking state as well. So all this play of Maya can continue. And we can also have preferences about it. Like we go to a restaurant and we can see the menu and then pick. Because spiritual doesn’t mean that we don’t select from a menu, does it? But what you pick should not have the ability, or the menu should not have the ability to cause suffering to you.

So this is like saying that ‘It is completely clear to me that I am not the person. Therefore all actions that happen through this body-mind are all done by consciousness. But it also seems like everybody else is a person. The ones who are at war. The ones who are experiencing the war. Are they people? Or is it just not consciousness playing as consciousness itself? Also this does not mean that if there is some urge here to take some action, to be a little bit of an activist about it, this does not mean that you don’t do any of that. If that is flowing, let that also flow. But don’t assign any person to it, either on the side that agrees with you or on the side that disagrees with you.

And you have seen now that no person dwells here. No person can dwell here. It is only Being itself. Then it must be seen that it is only Being that is here. Just because an appearance becomes strong doesn’t make it stop being an appearance. And the Leela will play in such a way that it pulls you, it pulls you into giving it a sense of reality.

Cornelia says, “Namaste”.  Namaste.

Rashmi says, “The resistance is because the attachment to the ego is seemingly hard to let go of.”

So this is like that, for the writers, that sentence ‘Eats, Shoots and Leaves’. So without punctuation you can put your punctuation anywhere. So the resistance is because the attachment to the ego is seemingly hard to let go of. Actually the resistance itself is the ego. Ego means resistance to what is. If resistance is not there then there is no space for the ego. If there is complete openness right now, then show me where the ego is. The ego is only the resistance itself. In fact resistance is another name for the ego.

Marcel says, “Love being here.”  Thank you so much.

Rashmi says, “The resistance is all within.”  Yes, yes.

Om says, “You spoke about levels of consciousness in the other day Satsang. Could you say something about that?”

I would have said that it doesn’t seem true that there can be levels of consciousness. Because the Being is here and I don’t see a way in which the Being can have levels. Yes, yes, yes, I was commenting on a quote by Eckhart Tolle actually, where he was saying that there are various degrees of consciousness and various things. So I did not resonate with that quote because it is just one Being that is here. There’s not a separate Being dwelling there; a separate Being dwelling in Ananya, a separate Being in the chair. Because in the light of this one Being which is here is all of this movie projected.

How can we say one part of a movie has more light, one part has less light? It is the same one light actually. So what I would have said about levels of consciousness is that there cannot be levels of consciousness. Not in the way that we define consciousness. This Being is just being. So I don’t see how this can be a low level or high level, or low quantity or high quantity, or more quality or less quality. All this consciousness itself is beyond all these statements of quantity and quality.

So at the root there must still be a belief. Okay, I don’t want to say something like that about Eckhart Tolle, maybe the quotation went a little bit off the mark; but there must still be a belief that there is consciousness here and then there’s separately consciousness in the table, and there’s separately consciousness in the person sitting in front of us; which when inquired into is completely unfounded. All of this play is in the light of this one pure consciousness. Yes, so I hope that clarifies.

Dorthe says, “While in the silent retreat I felt it was right to drop the medicine, but now it is coming back and lacking energy to do all the right things to get out of it.”

I feel that if it is coming back strongly, and you feel right in your heart that this one, this appearance of depression or whatever state is coming, it needs the assistance of some medicine, some treatment, some doctor, I feel there is no harm in that. It is not a test of our strength. It is not a statement about you. It does not mean that you are not spiritual if you need to take some medicine. But there will be a point as you keep going, and with Mooji’s grace, there will be a point when it will feel completely right in your heart to not worry about any anti-depressants or something. That point will come. So just follow your heart if it feels that things will be much better, and there will be so much more calm and peace.

And right now it might be helpful to take some medicine. I see no harm in it. So don’t give this to the person. This does not make a statement about who you are, your level of accomplishment or anything like that. And the Eckhart Tolle example is the best. Right? In one instant it was all just left behind. So you’re to be guided by your heart and leave all shame and all guilt and all doership and choice aside; and just leave it to the Satguru in your heart and let it unfold on its own. Don’t make any judgments about yourself. That is the most important thing. Don’t judge yourself to be depressed, not depressed, fine, not fine, because all of this, the Pure Watching, cannot be depressed. It is only the state of the appearance which is changing. Being cannot be depressed. But the appearance can have anything. We cannot control what the appearance is showing us. So if you find actually that you feel there is a need to go back to the treatment, I see no harm in that.

Om says, “Don’t think I completely followed it.”

You mean now, or that time, or it’s not completely clear what I’m saying? Okay, so you just elaborate a little more and we’ll get to the next question.

Ustreamer90 says, “My wife Ashwini is with me. Can you please explain how to let go of the thoughts to avoid suffering, like you explained in one of the satsangs earlier? Love from Murthy.”

It’s the simplest thing actually. Unless you believe a thought about it which says that it is difficult; and if you can trust my words, it is actually the simplest thing. Because the effort actually comes in believing our thought, and we’ve become so conditioned to believe in thought that that seems to have become our natural state.

But you know what happens is, when we are travelling or we go on a vacation, we say we want to relax and you know what happens? You go to a new place. Suppose you see a beautiful mountain in front of you. So what happens is for a few moments we let go of our thoughts. That’s actually what happens. That’s where the real sense of relaxation and space comes from. So all of us have had these moments, but we don’t realise that what is actually happening is that my attention went away from my thoughts, and they were with this glorious thing in front of me and it was awesome, so my attention was completely with it. So first we can see that the sense of peace, relaxation comes from the lack of attention to our thoughts

But the same state, we could have otherwise travelled many, many miles for a vacation in Europe, or something like that to see the Alps or something, the same state is available to you right now. It is just simple, simple. Don’t give any thought your belief for some time. I’m not saying don’t let them come. If you say ‘I will not let any thought come’ then it will seem that the thoughts are becoming stronger and stronger. So what I’m saying is let all the thoughts come. They cannot do anything to you. Just be completely open. Have this attitude that ‘I’m not worried no matter what thought may come’. So let all of them come and let them go. But you have the power not to give them your belief. They will come and dance in front of you. They will cry for your attention. Like a child they will throw tantrums. They will come again and again and try to push all your buttons. But you have the power not give it your belief. So this is the second thing you’ll understand.

The third thing you’ll understand is that not all thoughts hurt you. It’s the one’s which are about an identification which we already have that seem to make us suffer the most. So if a thought comes about something that you are not bothered about….., so I’ll give an example. My son is a great Manchester United fan, as many other football lovers are Manchester United fans…, but I’m presuming that Ashwini is not. She might be, but I’m presuming that she is not. So this thought came that ‘Manchester United lost’. They won actually, but suppose the thought was they lost 7-0 yesterday. So this thought which will have no meaning for you will just come and go, will have so much meaning for him because he had the identity of being a Manchester United fan. So if they lose 7-0 and this thought keeps troubling him that Rooney should have played better, Van Gaal is a horrible coach; all these thoughts would have come, isn’t it? And all these thoughts would have made him suffer. But to another one, because there’s no identification with Manchester United at all, it just comes and goes. So when a thought comes and it hurts us, it is a great occasion to see that there is an identification about this.

So there’s an identification about being a parent, there’s an identification about being a wife, there’s an identification with the work we have to do. So all those are the typical identifications which are the easiest buttons for the mind to push. And it pushes a button. It could be about your husband, ‘He should give me more attention’ or something like that, and this thought comes and you start dancing to the tunes of this thought. So all these thoughts are referring to you as a person. But this person, I don’t know if this is your first satsang or not, but this person actually just does not exist. It’s a pure figment of our imagination.

So I feel that I’ve given you enough to use now. You can just start with the simplest one which is to let all thoughts come and go. Let all thoughts come and go. Try it for a few days and you will find that there will be some peace, there will be some joy which emerges and that’ll keep bringing you back to satsang. So I’m saying that don’t just take my word for it; just experiment with it for awhile. Try it and see how it goes. And with that some faith will develop and you will feel that what has been spoken here makes some sense. Otherwise, if you don’t try it, what happens it sounds too outlandish, too difficult or too abstract. For just a few minutes of time, even one minute, two minutes, you can say ‘Okay, for the next few minutes I will let all of them just come and go. I’ll not try to stop them. I’ll not try to inquire into what they are’. Just let them say anything at all. Let them just come and go. This is the simplest way of any sadhana. No difficult practises are described here. Okay?

Soham says, “Thank you Father.”  Very welcome.

Ustreamer90 Murthy says, “Ashwini asks: Why do we get negative thoughts for no reason?”

We get negative thoughts so that we remain distracted from our true nature. These are the tools of the mind. These are the tools of the ego that keep us distracted from our true nature. Because if you were not to believe these negative thoughts, our true reality as consciousness itself, as Atma itself, would be completely clear. Very, very quickly. But you will find that moments of clarity will come, then some thought, out of nowhere. It could be a ten-year-old issue which should be long forgotten. Somebody had hurt you at that point of time. You know? Just out of nowhere it will come. Just when you feel some moments of clarity come. But the good news is that, without your belief, and then as a second step, without your attention. First just with your belief and attention, we’ll stop  going. Without your belief, they do not have any power over you. They get their power only from you. Our thoughts, inherently, don’t have any power at all. But when we believe them, we have the power as consciousness. And with the power of belief, then they become real for us. They seem to become real for us.

Rashmi says, “Somebody’s knocking at the door right now. Always!”

Do you hear the number of doorbells we have at satsang?  It’s bound to happen. You will find that many times the appearance, the Leela, will not collaborate with your search. It will seem that way. But once you start transcending all of this…, You say ‘Okay, doorbell is ringing, someone’s knocking on the door, but Being is still here. Whether I’m able to hear the words of satsang or not the Presence is still here’. And you will transcend all of these issues. Before you must welcome them. You must not say that this must not happen. You say, ‘Okay this is here and still causes some picture, good, very good; so now I can look at this’. And it will very simply be inquired into and transcended.

And if all these things would not happen, there are two possibilities. One is that you become very arrogant very fast. That ‘I’ve got it. Now ‘I am that’. It would be that, or then we would become very complacent. ‘Yah…It’s all That’. So it’s very good. Life knows exactly what it is doing actually. And the times where it seems to be collaborating with us the least, those are the biggest opportunities for us to transcend all of it. That’s why in the Chinese language I believe the word for crisis and opportunity is the same. So what seems like a crisis in the appearance, is actually an opportunity for us to transcend it.

Zurim says, “Father, it seems that I’m able to rest and recognize awareness only when I’m alone or in a peaceful environment. But while with other people, I do not notice that I’ve bought a thought, and struggling comes.”

It seems that way initially. That’s why it’s good to have these things like Silent Retreats. We have these Satsangs which are all in silence. So it’s good to have that. But I do not advocate that we must all go to some cave and live there. It’s good to keep facing the world. Keep facing what the world has to show us, so that we can keep checking what is still to be transcended. If there is intent and earnestness here, soon you will walk in the most crowded place, and in the strongest environment where there’s all kinds of noise, it will nor touch you at all.

Actually the truth is that it is not touching you already. For what we truly are is untouched. It only seems that belief seems to be given more automatically in these situations. Actually this is reminding me of an incident that happened with Mooji. So again in Tiru we were walking around the mountain, this was not during the Pondichéry.

But early in the morning, we were going for a morning walk, and there were just two or three of us, and then suddenly what happened is a lot of beggars came. The Sadhu beggars who wanted money. So a lot of them came at the same time. Because there were so many of them, and they’re kind of intimidating to look at, Mooji just sort of started giving them money; and then after a few seconds he just held back and said ‘Even in this situation, actually, we can have this vigilance and see which thought is being bought’. And just in a few moments then we were back to the state of stillness.

So the seeming, what was almost like an attack of some sort…, the seeming attack then lost its bite. For a few moments it can happen like that, when you’re seemingly attacked in this sort of way. So you’ll find that in the most noisy, in the most attacking sort of environment also, maybe momentarily, maybe momentarily thoughts are given attention, but very quickly the clarity will come back and you will rest as awareness itself. And then whatever action is meant to flow can continue to flow. If money has to be given or not given that can still continue to flow as it was meant to be, but there is no concept of a person doing any action. There will be no concept of any person deciding what to do and not what to do.

Rashmi says “ So good to be here; even though the mind’s talking nonsense right now, like it has been doing always .”

Right now? The mind is always, always talking nonsense.  Mooji says ‘Ninety-nine percent of your thoughts are rubbish, and the other one percent are garbage’. It’s always talking nonsense. Oh, you already said that? ‘Like it has been doing always’ she already said.

Om says, “All clear, Father.”  Thank you. Very welcome.

Soham says, “Yes, that was just it, Father. I was identified still with my country and feeling very disappointed with the direction it is going. I took it personally as an American and Brit.”

So, it’s very good. I’m saying that a bit sheepishly now; but it’s very good that all of this came to your awareness so that you were able to identify that this identity still seems to have some juice for you. It’s very good. Where is this American person? No, half American, half Brit. Where is this? No identity will be carried to your place of ultimate freedom. No identity will be carried there. And all this appearance is happening just for you to do this identity. This is all about you. There is just this one consciousness.

Dorthe says, “Thank you, thank you, thank you for your words. And thanks for hearing behind my question (reading between the lines or how you say). I do feel it is a defeat to have to go back to the medicine.”

It is not a defeat. It is not a defeat and this is not an exam. We’re not handing out any certificates and marks. You can feel that way, no? Especially when there are Beings in satsang who are saying the most beautiful things. It does seem to put a lot of peer pressure on us. But it’s so great that you’re able to honestly expose. This honest exposing for me is more powerful than somebody who just from the mind is saying all the right things. Very good. So it is not a defeat. Lose the concept of decision-making. Let life itself…, let your heart…, let the Satguru in your heart guide you as to what is to be done. Don’t presume that you already know what the Guru wants. Because this one who presumes that you already know does not exist.

Then she says, “…but also that it might be the solution for now.”

If that is clear in your heart, then there is no problem. Very good. Then she says something very nice.

She says, “Now I can make a decision about it without the shame.”

Which is very good, but I’m saying that even this decision-maker…, this decision-maker also you surrender. And you will see that intuitively you will be guided towards what is to be done. Because life always seems to be giving us situations where we seem to have to make a lot of decisions. So just experiment for a couple of days and say ‘Today I will make no decisions’ and you will see that automatically all choices, everything just flows on their own. Everything is just flowing. There is just this imaginary concept here which says ‘Oh I decided this. I wanted to do this and hence I’m doing this’.

Actually, ultimately, there is no link even between action and thought. We said this yesterday also, that although all our Law of Karma seems to be bound to this principle that ‘Action leads to thought’, if you were to really inquire you would see that all action, all thought, everything is just an appearance. There’s no actual linkage between even action and thought. Just because one precedes the other usually it seems like the later is the consequence of the former.

Ananya has a question, “So when we let go of the person, we see that all thoughts are referring to something that I am not. They’re speaking to me as if I’m somebody else. But I’m not that.”

So very simply we can now just say: Who are you talking to? Who are you talking to? A thought comes; say ‘Who are you referring to?’

Marcel says, “ Much bliss just listening.”  Very good

Ustreamer90 says, “Thanks for giving the right awareness. Love from Murthy and Ashwini. See you soon in the silent retreat.”  Very good  See you soon. Very good.

Ustreamer524 says, “Thoughts = separation.”

Yes. Belief in thought equals separation. Thoughts by themselves are nothing. But belief in thought equals separation. So don’t expect that the state of liberation, of freedom, means the state of no thoughts ever. I have never met a Being who does not get a thought. So don’t set this unrealistic expectation on yourself. What you will find is that they are so powerless, they`ll be allowed to just come and go without any interest.

Atma says, “There was a problem here with the connection, but now is it okay.”

Welcome. Welcome.

Zoe says, “The thought of ‘no decisions’ scares me!”

Very good. So we can look at this now. She says ‘The thought of no decisions scares me’. And sometimes this is very true for many of us. You say ‘Okay, clear, clear; no person, no person. But don’t say no decisions’. No? Isn’t that funny? So for Zoe also I feel that it’s clear to her that ‘No person, no person here’. But no decisions? That seems to still be a scary thing.

So who’s making the decision? If there is no person, then who is the decision-maker? You can answer this, and we can continue the conversation. Just contemplate and say:  ‘Okay, I cannot find the person. That much is clear. But there’s still some juice in the decision-maker concept. So who must make the decision if no person is here? Who was the decision-maker?’

FB200, (That’s Jesse) says, “Namaste, Guruji. There are 8 billion people in the world, all knowing their own reality, but yesterday the question came to me ‘How can this be?’ Then the answer came ‘No, there is only one reality, and we cannot know what we are, we can only be what we…’ <censored>. Is this true?  Namaste and love.”

So let’s start from the beginning. So he says ‘There are 8 billion people in the world’. I would say there are 8 billion people in the appearance; in this so-called appearance of this waking state, then there seem to be 8 billion people. And we go to sleep in the night. There’s a dream state; over there, there seems to be another few million, billion, trillion people. So where do all these people come from? Are they not projected in the light of the same consciousness? Are there any people when you are not the Being? When the Being is not present, are there any people?

That’s why I say that it is all about You, actually. This is all for You. And You are not a person. You are the Supreme One Itself. And the Supreme One has picked up the belief that ‘I am a person’. And the Supreme One Himself has created this satsang to rid Himself of the person. So the Supreme One is playing this game of becoming deluded and then becoming awake to His own true nature. There is no-one but That One. There is only That and You are That. So no person can know reality. Because no person has ever existed here. All people have only been imagined. They are only figments of our imagination.

Even if you were to say that ‘This body is real’. You say completely, because many of you might be saying ‘But this body seems so real’. So let’s say completely that ‘This body is completely real’. Even if this body is real, can you show me where the person is? Can you show me that one who has interpersonal relationships? Who has problems at work? That is not referring to the body. So in the body or outside the body, can you show me where this person is? And no-one has been able to show me so far. Therefore what I’m saying is that, what we say often in satsang is that, the person is a second-level illusion. Even at this level, if we were to presume that all this is completely real, even at this level the person just does not exist.

If I missed out on something you can just ask again.

Rashmi says, “The peer pressure is so true in this case; been feeling it a lot! ”

It’s very good for even the spiritual ego to get completely crushed in this. The universe does not make a mistake and it has perfect timing. So all that is appearing. Let it appear. Don’t judge. Don’t presume to know better than God what needs to happen.

So when we’re resisting…, so the theme for today seems to be resistance. So when we’re resisting, actually what are we doing? We’re questioning God’s judgment. That God does not know how to run this Universe. That is why the world is like this. But ‘I’ know better. But this ‘I’ we cannot find.

FB201 says, “I meant we can only be what we are. Sorry for the bad typing.”

Yes. You are That One. You are the one with the Pure Awareness within which Being  also takes place. And no matter what you would do, you cannot become something else. Even if you were to try. Even if there was a way for us to try. There’s actually no way for us to try. We can only imagine that we are this person. We can never become the person. Therefore don’t even be scared of personhood.

So many, after satsang, start becoming scared of the personhood concept. ‘Oh, I went back into the person. I became a person again’. You’ll hear these words very often, but nothing actually changes. So it’s not such a horrible report for me to hear. Because you imagined yourself to be a person again for a few moments, and then clarity came back. As opposed to spending many lifetimes leading the lives of pretending to be people.

Zoe says, “If there is no person, then the decision maker must be God! So I can just relax?”

Yes. If there is no person then the decision-maker must be God; this consciousness itself. That’s why we say that ‘One doer and one experiencer’. So we’ve captured half of it now. One doer, isn’t it?  So therefore there can only be one doer which is God. And now, who is the experiencer? If there is no person, then who’s the experiencer? So is it even relevant now to say ‘Can I just relax?’ Is that not another doing? Is that not another choice? Even the choice to relax or not is not the person’s. Because the person does not exist. Because the root of even this simple question is the fact that, what must I do now? So it’s like saying ‘I’ve understood I’m not the doer, so what do I do now?’ Isn’t it? [Laughs]. So it happens very naturally for all.

I remember that I used to go to Amesha at one point, and his whole thing was about non-doership. But the question always remained. ‘Ok, ok, I’m not the doer. So what do I do now?’ [Laughs]. So I can completely understand.

Jayani says, “Felt to share  with Dorthemai: This body was on medication for years and thru the Guru’s grace it all fell. It was a great teacher, and brought me to my knees and the Guru’s feet. All such grace.”  Great.

Ananya says, “Are you saying that the doer and the experiencer is the consciousness itself?”

Yes, there’s nobody else here anyway. I’m saying ‘yes’ because there is nobody else here. There’s only This One.

Atma says, “Thank you Father”

Ustreamer147 says, “Father, I can never find the person, even after a lot of time. But when I look for the Beingness, it is  automatically there.”

Exactly. We cannot stop being. The quickest way to find Being is to try and stop being. And you realise very quickly that it is the ever-present One in the waking state. The quickest way to find Being is to try to stop being. This is very simple to find. But the mind will not recognise it as Being. But what you are, Pure Awareness itself, knows that  this is true. So don’t expect your mind, at least initially, to testify to this fact, of the simplicity of this entirety. In fact, so much laughter will arise because all of this was so simple, so clear. And you wonder how so many years went in this so-called search.

Marcel says, “All your words find the right place in the heart.”

Zoe says, “ What I’m doing now is sobbing and laughing simultaneously.”  Very good.

Dorthe says, “Thank you, Lorenbeinghuman (Jayani). It was so good to be at Monte Sahaja and in Mooji’s presence. Maybe I will be able to go there for a longer period sometime soon.”

If that is what God’s will is, then that will happen. Very good,

Shanti says, “All your words are from the brilliance of Awareness and bring so much light into all dim illusions. Love you so much, dear Father.”  Love you too, my dear.

Ustreamer583 says, “Thank you Father  So much love.”

Carla is here. Oh, very good. One hour went very quickly today. It’s Ananya’s presence here. [Laughs]

Ananya says, “I’m blissed out in your presence, Father.”

Very good. Thank you all so very much. [Namaste]

Love you so much.

Moojiji ki Jai !

Sangha:  Moojiji ki Jai !  Anantaji ki Jai !  Thank you. Love you.

Q: “It feels as if the ego answers back and rejects everything you say at times.”

Of course! The mind will not accept what is being spoken here. At best it will be a very meek acceptance. But I am not interested in the acceptance of the mind. Don’t try to convince your mind of anything that is being spoken here in satsang. You cannot refer the knowledge in satsang back to the mind to get the mind’s approval. It is not in the mind’s interest to approve this. The mind is only asking ‘What is in it for me?’ And there is nothing here for the mind. And this nothing which is here for the mind seems like death or torture to the mind itself.

So don’t go with the mind’s idea about what is being said here. Because if the mind is the cause of all misery and suffering, then the mind is not interested in the end of misery. It is not interested in losing it’s supremacy over you. So whose voice will you hear? Whose voice will you listen to? And I’m not forcing you to hear this voice. All I’m saying is that for many, many years you have tried it the mind’s way. Just for a few days try it my way. And then, take a decision.

Another Q: “Now when attention tries to go to any thought, something here is so powerful saying, ‘Don’t go there’.”

Meaning don’t even give your attention. Yes.

Q: “And I see this game. Ego does not exist Father, true. Dropping, dropped.”

Very good. With the loosing of interest in the mind, you will find the birth of the intuitive energy inside you which will guide you from moment to moment. The same energy which speaks through this mouth will be present with you. It is already present with you. It is just that it seems to be unrevealed because of belief in the person idea. You cannot sit on two chairs at the same time. You can try but I’m sure it’s not a comfortable experience. So once you drop this one chair of ego, then Beingness itself is your guide in every moment. And then ultimately there is a dropping of all guidance required also. But you don’t make this conclusion. Let the Master decide it.