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What will convince you of your freedom? What event must happen upon which you will say, ‘Now I am free forever’? The person is never free. Therefore, if you’re in this to bring a sense of freedom to the ego, then that will never happen. Therefore it is bound to be a very disappointing journey. But if you can really discover, just with a simple looking, that the mythical one (the ego) can never be you, then you will find that what you really are cannot be bound, even by the strongest chains in the universe. What can bind you? And for one who cannot be bound, for this one, what is freedom?

Q: “Thank you Father. I do feel it.”  Very good. Welcome back in satsang. We missed you yesterday.

What does freedom mean for you? Is it just another personal state? Or is it to see what is always real?  Realization means that we see that we have always only been free; that no chain can ever bind us. Even the strongest attachment has just been an illusion, has just been based on beliefs and concepts.

What questions do you have about this?  Let’s look at if there is something still to be exposed. Let’s come here and just spill it out. It is the simplest thing. Realizing your own self is the simplest thing. It is simpler than simple. It does not need any effort. It needs no time. It needs nothing at all. But this nothing seems very difficult for the mind. The mind does not understand ‘nothing’ actually. It only understands ‘something’. Therefore, when we say nothing needs to be done, it is the most frustrating instruction for the mind. But in this moment, if we were to drop this mind, then it is clear that what has always been here is this pure Being. And even prior to this pure Being, the pure Awareness; it sees even this one.

Another Q: “Feels that the seeing has been clear but perhaps needs to be more stabilized. Go back to sleep sometime during the day. Though, as soon as this is seen, it is very simple.”

Yes, so all that we are saying, speaking about, is the right now. Because we can never go to the past and change something. The past is only another energy construct from our memory. What is real is the right now. Therefore to be awake, is to be awake right now. Um?

Another Q: “Seeing is freedom, but there seems still to be some kind of expectations there and following very subtle thoughts and sensations somehow. It is still often not really clear.”

Yes, yes. But what we need to understand is that even if you were to follow every thought that comes, you are still the pure Seeing itself. The only thing that changes is that if we were to follow every thought that comes, there seems to be a lot of personal suffering, a lot of personal misery. But any personal suffering cannot actually touch this seeing. This Awareness is untouched by all the content, any content. So when you say that ‘some kind of expectations’…, all expectations must be of the personal variety. So, when there are expectations, even though they might be expectations of freedom itself,  this expectation is also personal. And as you stay with this seeing, all these expectations will also get cleaned up. It does happen in this game this way, that there is this process of stabilization, this process of cleaning up. But you don’t label it as that. Because the moment we start to say that this is ‘stabilization’ or ‘cleaning up’ then we are giving it room to stay. We are creating room for the mind to stay in the saying that ‘this is stabilization’.

So all that we expect, all the commentary even about the process of realization, comes from a personal perspective. And from a personal perspective, freedom is unattainable. From a personal perspective, the highest a person can go is get to a point of intellectual understanding and spiritual ego. That is the highest the imagined entity can go. So stop catering to anything that the person is saying. Drop this monkey off your back. Yes. And everyone is clear about how to get this monkey off our backs? [nodding and smiling while checking chat window]  Very good.

Q: “Thank you for bringing me back to now.”   Very Good.

Q: “Thank you.”  Very welcome.

Q: “And back into This Presence.”  Yes.

Don’t trust the interpreter even to make judgments about your state. The interpreter will always say that ‘this is still to be done’ or ‘the awakening goes away’ or ‘there are times when you’re not free’. It never speaks about the right now.

Another Q: “Something still interested in some of the thoughts and there’s an awareness of this.”

It’s good that this awareness is there and with this awareness, you see that there is a distance between you and your thoughts. They’re not automatically believed to be yours and you can see that there is still some juice left. There’s still some juice left in some of them. But as you get more and more glimpses of your own true Self, you will not believe any thought because all thoughts are referring to you as a person. So just this awareness itself is very good. And this distance will keep increasing, and the thoughts will become less and less meaningful for you, and soon they will become just powerless. And when thoughts lose their power over us, means that there is no identity remaining here for which these thoughts have meaning. And when theses false identities are dropped, then only the truth remains.

Q: “At the moment the person is feeling very sad; as if she’ll never make it. Still enjoying the play and don’t want to give all to God with no conditions or knowledge of what will happen.”

‘The person is feeling very sad’ you say, because the thought that is coming is ‘She’ll never make it’. And this she is where? So I say ‘This she is where?’ because you’re not saying ‘I’ll never make it’, which itself is very good. So, this ‘she will never make it’…, where is this one? Does it have any existence whatsoever? Is the ego any more real than the tooth fairy? Hum? All of you have this concept in your cultures. [Smile]. Is the ego any more real than the tooth fairy? And I can say this because hopefully there are no young kids in satsang. [Laughs]. I don’t want to take away their concept of the tooth fairy.

‘Still enjoying the play’, Who is this one who is enjoying the play, hum? That’s another imagination that the imagined entity is enjoying something. It is not true, actually. ‘And don’t want to give all to God with no conditions or knowledge of what will happen’. God is the only doer anyway. You as God are the only doer anyway. Therefore, it doesn’t ultimately matter whether we say that ‘I’ve given it to God’ or not. There is no other force here. All is Consciousness itself. Just drop all the thoughts. Drop every thought including all of this. Just 3, 2, 1, Drop it. These thoughts are not in service to you because I know that this thought ‘she’ll never make it’ is just not true. I see you for what you truly are. I can never see you as this person. Very good.

Only the imagined one can be hurt by anything at all. Only our identity gets hurt. Only our identity feels an attack. Only the identity feels a need to defend. Therefore it is great that, when these moments come, we feel the pinch or we feel the poking because that exposes the identity which is still there. And then very easily, once it is seen, it can be transcended. And some identities are the juiciest ones.

We’ve looked at this, isn’t it? Some of these identities are the juiciest ones. Which are the juiciest identities: Partner, life partner, special relationship in this way. That is one. Second is: worker, employee, business man. Third is: care giver, care taker. Fourth is: spiritual seeker, awakened one. So we can identify based on what still affects us. We can see which identity is still alive. And very quickly in the inquiry you will see that it is just belief in some concepts. None of these are true.

Namaste, a very warm welcome to satsang today. Moojiji ki jai. Welcome, welcome. If this is your first time here, the way to ask a question is through the chat window.

Namaste, namaste Stacy. You stayed up, huh? Good, good. [chuckle]. And Amaya says the audio is good. Good. [reading chat]. Namaste.

What will convince you of your freedom? What event must happen upon which you will say, ‘Now I am free forever’? The person is never free. Therefore, if you’re in this to bring a sense of freedom to the ego, then that will never happen. Therefore it is bound to be a very disappointing journey. But if you can really discover, just with a simple looking, that the mythical one (the ego) can never be you, then you will find that what you really are cannot be bound, even by the strongest chains in the universe. What can bind you? And for one who cannot be bound, for this one, what is freedom?

Atma says, “Thank you Father. I do feel it.”  Very good. Welcome back in satsang. We missed you yesterday.

What does freedom mean for you? Is it just another personal state? Or is it to see what is always real?  Realization means that we see that we have always only been free; that no chain can ever bind us. Even the strongest attachment has just been an illusion, has just been based on beliefs and concepts.

What questions do you have about this?  Let’s look at if there is something still to be exposed. Let’s come here and just spill it out. It is the simplest thing. Realizing your own self is the simplest thing. It is simpler than simple. It does not need any effort. It needs no time. It needs nothing at all. But this nothing seems very difficult for the mind. The mind does not understand ‘nothing’ actually. It only understands ‘something’. Therefore, when we say nothing needs to be done, it is the most frustrating instruction for the mind. But in this moment, if we were to drop this mind, then it is clear that what has always been here is this pure Being. And even prior to this pure Being, the pure Awareness; it sees even this one.

Stacy says, “Feels that the seeing has been clear but perhaps needs to be more stabilized. Go back to sleep sometime during the day. Though, as soon as this is seen, it is very simple.”

Yes, so all that we are saying, speaking about, is the right now. Because we can never go to the past and change something. The past is only another energy construct from our memory. What is real is the right now. Therefore to be awake, is to be awake right now. Um?

Wiebeke says, “Seeing is freedom, but there seems still to be some kind of expectations there and following very subtle thoughts and sensations somehow. It is still often not really clear.”

Yes, yes. But what we need to understand is that even if you were to follow every thought that comes, you are still the pure Seeing itself. The only thing that changes is that if we were to follow every thought that comes, there seems to be a lot of personal suffering, a lot of personal misery. But any personal suffering cannot actually touch this seeing. This Awareness is untouched by all the content, any content. So when you say that ‘some kind of expectations’…, all expectations must be of the personal variety. So, when there are expectations, even though they might be expectations of freedom itself,  this expectation is also personal. And as you stay with this seeing, all these expectations will also get cleaned up. It does happen in this game this way, that there is this process of stabilization, this process of cleaning up. But you don’t label it as that. Because the moment we start to say that this is ‘stabilization’ or ‘cleaning up’ then we are giving it room to stay. We are creating room for the mind to stay in the saying that ‘this is stabilization’.

So all that we expect, all the commentary even about the process of realization, comes from a personal perspective. And from a personal perspective, freedom is unattainable. From a personal perspective, the highest a person can go is get to a point of intellectual understanding and spiritual ego. That is the highest the imagined entity can go. So stop catering to anything that the person is saying. Drop this monkey off your back. Yes. And everyone is clear about how to get this monkey off our backs? [nodding and smiling while checking chat window]  Very good.

Stacy says, “Thank you for bringing me back to now.”   Very Good.

Weibeke says, “Thank you.”  Very welcome.

Stacy says, “And back into This presence.”  Yes.

Don’t trust the interpreter even to make judgments about your state. The interpreter will always say that ‘this is still to be done’ or ‘the awakening goes away’ or ‘there are times when you’re not free’. It never speaks about the right now.

Ustreamer232 says, “Something still interested in some of the thoughts and there’s an awareness of this.”

It’s good that this awareness is there and with this awareness, you see that there is a distance between you and your thoughts. They’re not automatically believed to be yours and you can see that there is still some juice left. There’s still some juice left in some of them. But as you get more and more glimpses of your own true Self, you will not believe any thought because all thoughts are referring to you as a person. So just this awareness itself is very good. And this distance will keep increasing, and the thoughts will become less and less meaningful for you, and soon they will become just powerless. And when thoughts lose their power over us, means that there is no identity remaining here for which these thoughts have meaning. And when theses false identities are dropped, then only the truth remains.

Zoe says, “I feel great peace and joy and space, pretty much without interruption but it still feels like I am personally enjoying this peace. Is this contradictory?”

Yeah, so let’s look at this. You say ‘It feels like I am personally enjoying this peace’.  Um? The person can actually never enjoy anything. All enjoyment is for the one who is the doer himself. So there’s a saying that, ‘You are the doer and you are the experiencer’. Which means that God or Consciousness or Being is the one doer, and God and Consciousness and Being is the only experiencer. Because the person, actually, just does not exist. So the non-existent one cannot even enjoy anything. It is only interpreting this enjoyment saying ‘but this feels like it is my enjoyment’. But without the interpretation of it, does it seem like a personal enjoyment or does it feel like just a global…, just a presence which is here?

Amaya says, “Exposing, as you said, this idea of hope that to be enlightened means no more life-times on earth and have really wanted this Masters’ awakening, for that goal. Surrendering this at your feet.”

It’s very good. It’s very good to surrender even this concept of no more reincarnation, no more life-times on earth. Because the one that is here, that is playing this game, at some level must be enjoying this play. Isn’t it? Therefore, set no conditions for what God must do. Just see that the belief in the separation was completely unfounded. [smile]. It’s very good. It’s very good that all these things are coming out because in the past we’ve heard so much of all of this, and it’s good that all these concepts are now being surrendered. Very good.

Wiebeke says, “How true that even one thought believed in can cover the sun.”

Yes. It’s true. One thought believed in can pretend to cover the sun. The sun actually never  gets covered. It is only that our attention goes to the thought. And therefore when the attention is with the thought, the sun doesn’t seem to be visible. It does not mean that it is not there. But it’s just that what is given our attention seems to be our reality. That is why it is said like this, that one thought or one finger nail can cover the sun.

Ustreamer232 says, “The ego tries to follow the instructions given and tries to control the whole process. It feels impossible to fire it.”

Yes. Very good. So this is asking the question ‘How do I get rid of this monkey off my back?’ The simplest way I give you, the simplest way I give you is that: Don’t believe any thought that comes. All that is required is, in this moment, not to believe any thought. Don’t even say that ‘I must not believe in any thought in the future’. Just in any moment, don’t believe the thought. It is that simple actually. And without believing a thought tell me how it feels, whether it feels impossible or possible.

The ego cannot actually do anything. It cannot experience anything. It is neither the doer nor the experiencer. It is only the pretender. It is only the pretender. It is actually You pretending to be a person. But this pretense can never come true. If the ego is only a bundle of thoughts and similar energies, then how can a bundle of thoughts do anything? And in this realization we see that even karma, even the law of karma does not apply to us. It applies only to the ego. It applies only to the delusion. The true Self is beyond all of these concepts. Even the understanding that thought leads to action is part of the delusion, actually. And this insight will come to you. You will see this as the reality once there is dissolution of the person idea.

Zoe says, “The peace is just here. Thank you, thank you, thank you, beloved Father.”

Very good, very good. Very good.

Prema says, “At the moment the person is feeling very sad; as if she’ll never make it. Still enjoying the play and don’t want to give all to God with no conditions or knowledge of what will happen.”

‘The person is feeling very sad’ you say, because the thought that is coming is ‘She’ll never make it’. And this she is where? So I say ‘This she is where?’ because you’re not saying ‘I’ll never make it’, which itself is very good. So, this ‘she will never make it’…, where is this one? Does it have any existence whatsoever? Is the ego any more real than the tooth fairy? Hum? All of you have this concept in your cultures. [Smile]. Is the ego any more real than the tooth fairy? And I can say this because hopefully there are no young kids in satsang. [laughs]. I don’t want to take away their concept of the tooth fairy.

‘Still enjoying the play’, Who is this one who is enjoying the play, hum? That’s another imagination that the imagined entity is enjoying something. It is not true, actually. ‘And don’t want to give all to God with no conditions or knowledge of what will happen’. God is the only doer anyway. You as God are the only doer anyway. Therefore, it doesn’t ultimately matter whether we say that ‘I’ve given it to God’ or not. There is no other force here. All is Consciousness itself. Just drop all the thoughts. Drop every thought including all of this. Just 3, 2, 1, Drop it. These thoughts are not in service to you because I know that this thought ‘she’ll never make it’ is just not true. I see you for what you truly are. I can never see you as this person. Very good.

Atma says, “Yes Father, hear you. There is nobody here to whom the thoughts can speak.”  Very good

Prema says, “Giving all desire to control or want to know what will happen to you Father.”   Very good. Very good.

Ustreamer232 says, “It feels as if the ego answers back and rejects everything you say at times.”

Of course! The mind will not accept what is being spoken here. At best it will be a very meek acceptance. But I am not interested in the acceptance of the mind. Don’t try to convince your mind of anything that is being spoken here in satsang. You cannot refer the knowledge in satsang back to the mind to get the mind’s approval. It is not in the mind’s interest to approve this. The mind is only asking ‘What is in it for me?’ And there is nothing here for the mind. And this nothing which is here for the mind seems like death or torture to the mind itself.

So don’t go with the mind’s idea about what is being said here. Because if the mind is the cause of all misery and suffering, then the mind is not interested in the end of misery. It is not interested in losing it’s supremacy over you. So whose voice will you hear? Whose voice will you listen to? And I’m not forcing you to hear this voice. All I’m saying is that for many, many years you have tried it the mind’s way. Just for a few days try it my way. And then, take a decision.

Atma says, “Now when attention tries to go to any thought, something here is so powerful saying, ‘Don’t go there’.”   Meaning don’t even give your attention. Yes.

“And I see this game. Ego does not exist Father, true. Dropping, dropped.”

Very good. With the loosing of interest in the mind, you will find the birth of the intuitive energy inside you which will guide you from moment to moment. The same energy which speaks through this mouth will be present with you. It is already present with you. It is just that it seems to be unrevealed because of belief in the person idea. You cannot sit on two chairs at the same time. You can try but I’m sure it’s not a comfortable experience. So once you drop this one chair of ego, then Beingness itself is your guide in every moment. And then ultimately there is a dropping of all guidance required also. But you don’t make this conclusion. Let the Master decide it.

Amaya says, “It seems that all is clear and free here, regardless of any phenomenon. Yet these ideas of what awake / free has looked like in the Masters keeps an idea of ‘more’…’not there yet’ alive.  Surrendering this…”

Yes exactly. And that is why I say that in the past the chroniclers of the Masters’ lives have done, unwittingly, a great disservice; because in their devotion they have made something special out of the awakened one’s life. They have given too much emphasis on the events and the phenomena that happened naturally around the awakened ones. They have given too much emphasis on the extraordinary states which have appeared. But they forget to mention that the Master has always said that ‘There is no difference between me and you’. We are one. This is what needed more emphasis. Because the emphasis on the miracles and the emphasis on the specialness makes it seem very unapproachable. But I am saying that ‘This is your true state. Your natural Being is ever present here and it is possible for everyone, in any instance, to become completely clear of their identity’. So the mind’s voice will always say ‘Just a little bit more, just a few more satsangs, almost there’. Just keep this voice aside, and let life unfold exactly how it is meant to.

Stacy says, “Only your voice is true. The one in my heart.”   [Smile]. Very good.

Prema says, “Let Beingness be my guide at every moment.”   Very good

Only the imagined one can be hurt by anything at all. Only our identity gets hurt. Only our identity feels an attack. Only the identity feels a need to defend. Therefore it is great that, when these moments come, we feel the pinch or we feel the poking because that exposes the identity which is still there. And then very easily, once it is seen, it can be transcended. And some identities are the juiciest ones. We’ve looked at this, isn’t it? Some of these identities are the juiciest ones. Which are the juiciest identities: Partner, life partner, special relationship in this way. That is one. Second is: worker, employee, business man. Third is: care giver, care taker. Fourth is: spiritual seeker, awakened one. So we can identify based on what still affects us. We can see which identity is still alive. And very quickly in the inquiry you will see that it is just belief in some concepts. None of these are true.

Atma says, “So powerful words Father and at the same time so simple.”   Thank you.

Yes. It is all very simple but to the mind it is completely complicated. So when we hear satsang just as the words, then it can seem very complicated actually. In fact, many that come to satsang say that it is just all Greek and Latin. If they’re being kind, they’ll say Greek and Latin. Otherwise they could even say that it’s all gibberish. Nothing is being understood. But when the Presence is felt then the understanding unfolds on it’s own. Therefore just to be open and to be in satsang, the undeniable Presence will be felt.

Ustreamer664 says, “Also, formlessness, timelessness and spacelessness is more present now. Master’s presence. Connection is ultimately without these. Internet can raise eternal and truest wisdom.”    [laugh].

Look at what they’re saying. They say ‘Also formlessness, timelessness and spacelessness’. Yes. Time, space, form: all three give birth after the birth of Beingness itself. They form the back drop for this play, this Lila, this Maya to happen. Time, space and form. So when we say ‘formlessness, timelessness and spacelessness is more present now’ means we are getting more in touch with our true identity, which is the pure Awareness itself, where there is no time, no space and no form. Good. And the Master’s Presence in the sense of Beingness is alive there. ‘Connection is ultimately without these’, Yes. ‘Internet can raise eternal and truest wisdom’. Very good, very good.

Ustreamer232 says, “Fear of being left with nothing. I surrender this.”

Very good to surrender this. Because even my Master said that this is one fear he had along the path. Along the path, he says, he had this fear that he would become like a beggar on the street. The mind was showing this visual to him that he will be like this hunch back beggar on the street, [it was] trying to create some sense of fear around this. It’s very good that you can surrender this. It’s very good.

No one who has found their true identity, who has realized their true identity has regretted it. No one has asked for the personal identity back after coming to a point of realization. No matter how the external circumstances seemed to have worked in the life of all these Beings, there is nobody who said that ‘Take away my realization and give me back my stuff’. [chuckle] Hmm? Very good.

Lucian says, “The identity that seems to have the most juice here is the one who helps.”

So we said the care taker, care giver, the responsible one; this identity can also have a lot of juice. But life will make sure that this juice is gone soon. Life is making sure that this identity is dropped. And all that is left then, if these situations of giving care or taking care arise, all that is left then is just a feeling of being an instrument in God’s hands. All that remains is this sense of just being an instrument, this body / mind becoming an instrument in God’s hands to follow the guidance of Being every moment, and to let life unfold as it is. That’s very good.

Prema says, “Also feel like everything is going.”

Very good. Everything must go. You cannot even carry a blade of grass into freedom. So, if there is any attachment, any identity, it will ALL go. It cannot stay. You cannot carry it into Awareness. You cannot give Awareness some money, or you cannot make Awareness have a relationship. So, when they say ‘We are carrying something into our freedom’ what are we saying? That ‘I am Awareness itself, but Awareness wants to have some money, or wants to have some relationship’. Isn’t it? Which is just not possible.

Stacy says, “Surrendering the energy of specialness. Energy still seems to go to wanting to feel special. Keep dropping it. Don’t always notice this until this has already been picked up.”

Very good. It’s very good to have this vigilance to see that it seems to be so subtle, that it gets picked up on it’s own. It seems that way. But as you create more and more distance like this, you will see that there is a picking up, there is a belief that is given to it. But first there must be some strong conditioning around this concept of being special, therefore it still seems to happen very quickly. But it’s very good that you see to the fact that it can be exposed this way. Very good.

In some cultures, it is ingrained to give a sense of specialness to this identity. And in some cultures, it is ingrained to give a sense of false humility to the identity. Both the sense of specialness and false humility are ego itself, are from the ego itself.

If there is oneness, then there is no distance at all, and when there is no distance, no separation, then there’s no concept either of humility or specialness. If we are one, then we don’t need to have a forced humility or an ingrained specialness. Very good.

Atma says, “True. All must be left. Thank you beloved. At your feet.”   Very good.

Is there a thought that is truly impersonal? Is there a thought which is without an agenda?

Stacy says, “Thank you so much for this clarity. I don’t want this belief, this personal feeling of specialness. It can go now. Surrendering it at your feet.”   Very good.

Amaya says, “No.”

Prema says, “Surrendering all to you Father.”  Very good.

Atma says, “All thoughts are speaking to the person; imagined one.”   Yes.

That’s why one of the simplest forms of inquiry is just to inquire ‘Who is this thought referring to, who is this thought speaking to?’ And an even stronger question to ask is  ‘Who is aware of this thought? What is aware of this thought?’

Lucian says, “All thoughts are personal.”   Very good.

Ustreamer726 says, “Lately I am experiencing some dying.”

Let all these ideas die. Let all the concepts that we have faced…, many beings have this experience of the death of the ‘person’. It’s not a prerequisite. I’m not wanting to create any expectations. But, it is very often seen that, along the way, you will experience the death of this personal idea. But the great thing is that you will be around to experience it. Therefore, the experiencing is there. The experiencing is untouched, even in the process of the idea, the personal idea, dying. And that experiencing does not change, irrespective of whether the content is of dying or of anything else.

Ustreamer232 says, “Surrendering all, although still lots of noise from the ego. Let it go. Melt into you.”

Very good. Don’t expect that the mind will shut up. The mind will try to become as noisy as possible, will try to create a tsunami of thoughts to get your attention and belief back in. But you let the mind throw all these tantrums, and you will see that when it is not nourished by our belief, and then by our attention, you will see that it does not even then retain the power to throw these tantrums.  All this mind noise can be allowed and let go of. So don’t even have the expectation that the mind will stop. Let the mind do whatever it wants. You stay as the Self alone.

Ustreamer726 says, “I see this.”   Yes, very good.

Marcel says, “Yes.”   Very good.

I’m very happy to be in your Presence. Thank you all so very much for joining in satsang. So much love to all of you. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Moojiji ki Jai! [Namaste].

Sangha: Moojiji ki Jai ! Anantaji ki Jai !  Thank you. Love you.

In this realization we see that even karma, even the law of karma does not apply to us. It applies only to the ego. It applies only to the delusion.

The true Self is beyond all of these concepts.

Even the understanding that thought leads to action is part of the delusion, actually.

And this insight will come to you.

You will see this as the reality once there is dissolution of the person idea.

Namaste everyone, a very warm welcome to satsang today. Moojiji ki Jai !

Thank you so much for joining in. And if this is your first time here, the way to ask questions is through the chat window. We also have a visitor with us today. Mandira is here. So if you get any questions in the middle, you can also ask. Alright. So if one of you can confirm that the video and audio are fine, then we can get started. And there are some questions already I see, so we’ll get to them. Namaste, Namaste, very good. So, let’s get to the questions.

Ustreamer616 says, “Pranam, Ananta. Yes, audio is much clearer today.”  Yes, I came in for a minute earlier. “I at times observe that my mind is looking through my eyes. I’m able to observe the identification, but I’m not able to completely dis-identify from it. What is this urge or desire to identify with thoughts?”

Okay, very good. So, if you can confirm that you’re still here, 616. We are looking at your question. You say ‘I at times observe that my mind is looking through my eyes’. So, let’s look at this and see if it’s really possible for it to be this way. Is it not that something is seen, and then we say that ‘I am seeing this’? Must be first that the seeing happens, and then the ownership of that seeing comes. So when I am seeing the phone lying in front, then I would see the phone and then say ‘It is my phone’. So very quickly it might happen that the identification is there that ‘This is my phone’. So this is way it operates. But it seems so much conditioning, so much habit is there to look at this world as my world, and my body as my body, my family as my family, that we’ve gotten conditioned to looking at life from a personal perspective. And when we hear this for the first time, it seems too radical, for the first meeting, to jump right to the core of it.

But the fact is, if we were to say ‘But who is this person actually?’ then you say ‘Oh, but that is not clear’ or ‘Can anybody find it?’ We accept an answer like that, which I feel is a shame because the fact is we are catering for so many years, and maybe many, many lifetimes, to this person, to this idea of being a person. So definitely we can spend a few minutes or a few hours or a few satsangs just looking for this one. Who is this one, actually?

Okay, I’m not seeing anything on chat, so if you can tell me that you all are still here, and hearing what I’m saying… [Laughs]. [Speaking to Mandira]: So, there’s a one minute lag between what I say and when it reaches them, so you’ll see them responding in a minute or so, if all is well. Seems to be broadcasting okay. Okay! AV is very good, everyone says. Everyone is still here, just listening. Very good.

So, I really feel to say that we can spend a few minutes looking for this person, because we spent so much of our time catering to this person. What this person wants…, you know, ‘Let’s not even talk about freedom, this person wants a better house, a better TV, a better car, a better something’ and we are running about, trying to get it for this person, no? And ultimately it says ‘Okay, not all of this. I’m over all of this. I want freedom’. And we spend many hours of our life wanting this freedom or trying to get this person happy by giving it freedom. But then, maybe we can take a few minutes to ask ‘But who am I doing this for?’ Who are we actually doing this for? Whose desire for freedom is this? And we can all answer this, I’m not only putting Mandira on the spot. Whose desire for freedom is this?

Especially the freedom, we feel that it is a special desire; when the rest of the world is all choosing materialistic stuff, but ‘Me, no, I’m chasing God, and I will not be happy until I find Him’. This one is who?

Mandira says, “Isn’t it the same?”

It is the same. My Master said ‘It’s the same guy’.

Mandira says, “But again, it’s a desire.”

But the wonderful thing is, that was the bad news. The good news is that this one, this desire for freedom, if it’s true, then first what it will do is it will destroy all other desires; at least to a very large extent. And then, eventually, it will destroy the idea of the person who came up with this desire also. So this one desire has this one special thing about it; that if it is persisted with, with integrity and earnestness, then what it will lead to is the burning of the ideas which lead to it’s own birth. All other desires will perpetuate the idea of it’s own birth. So, the one that came up with the idea that ‘I want a Ferrari’ that one will want a Lamborgini tomorrow, will want some more. But this one, who has the true desire for freedom will eventually come to the understanding that this one itself was not true. And when it is seen that this is all just a play of imagination, then you see that God has always been here. No?

Because very simply we say that God is everywhere. And then we say things like ‘But why doesn’t He then guide me properly?’ or ‘Why can’t I then just get what I want?’ Where does this ‘I’ come from? We just said that ‘God is everywhere’ then this ‘I’ must be what?

“Must be God” Mandira says.

And she’s saying it as if it’s some great blasphemy. [Laughs]. She’s committing great blasphemy by saying it. In fact, the truth of that matter is if you look at Consciousness as the one doer of all of this, the light in which all of this happens, no?… So when there is only pure seeing or awareness, like in the deep sleep state, then when the waking up happens there is the birth of Beingness. So, suddenly out of just pure seeing, without anything to report on even, then there’s a presence of a Being here; the sense ‘I am’ is here; the Presence ‘I am’ is here. So this Consciousness is the light in which the entire world is given birth actually. So what I say sometimes is even more blasphemous than what you just said. I say that ‘God gives birth inside me’. So in this pure seeing, there’s the birth of a pure Being. And this is happening right here, right now. It requires no intellectual understanding of any sort. All it requires is a little bit of openness, a little bit of willingness to just look.

But if you let the mind in, it will say ‘I’m trying, I’m trying, I can’t do it’. So the mind will only come up and say all kinds of rubbish, saying ‘I’m trying, I’m almost there’. Anything. So I’m not interested in what the mind has to say. I’m only interested in the looking happening or not.

Let’s see what’s happening on the chat.

Ajnani says, “Person wants, but person is not real.”  Yes.

Stacy says, “So perfectly clear, Father. Thank you for showing me no person is here.”

And just by losing this personal identity, we lose our ability to suffer. Then even the search becomes very easy, because there’s no suffering actually happening, but new insights happening every day. New insights, so then you will be able to see ‘Okay, in the pure awareness, there is nothing at all. Even the powers of attention and belief are not there’. Then with the birth of Beingness, we also have this power to direct our attention and to give things our belief, which actually forms our identity.

[To Mandira]: Is all of this sounding like Greek right now?

Mandira says, “No.”  That’s good.

So you will see that in pure turiya state, or pure awareness, or deep sleep state you will not have all of this. And then with the birth of Beingness, all these powers come; belief, attention, identity. So what I’m saying is that when suffering goes away then all of this becomes a wonderful insight which appears. Otherwise what happens is if we’re all still looking from a personal perspective, there’s too much feverishness, there’s too much desire around it, there’s too much personal agenda. So the whole thing becomes ‘What’s in it for me?’ because the person is always…, constantly has only one mantra. My chant, whatever mantra, basically at the end of the day it has only one mantra which is ‘What’s in it for me?’ So if it’s still with that agenda ‘What’s in it for me, what’s in it for me?’ then all of this becomes a struggle, all of this becomes a very difficult mind game to understand, all of this becomes very, very hard work. So you’ll find many Beings out there actually who are struggling hard or working hard at their spirituality; trying to get somewhere, doing thousands, hundreds of years of sadhana; thousands in the Himalayas. So all this sadhana is happening, but you have to go and say ‘What are you doing to find God?’ But if God is real, then why must we run around here and there, try so many different tactics, to win him over?

So in just this one simple understanding also, we then stop going here and there and trying to figure out what is what. So just ‘Okay. Truth is here, God is here, Reality is here.  Whatever is true is here. Everything else is just imagination’. So then it becomes very simple. It just takes a few moments of clarity, and then we see that ‘Okay. This has always been this way. This has always been this way’.

So, it’s only the interpreter that is sitting in our heads which makes us sort of distracted from what is real. So even what is heard in satsang, we are handing it over to the interpreter and saying ‘Okay, what do you think about this? Come in here, I need some help. Say something, will you? You always have lots to say, now say something.’ So, we’re waiting for our mind’s approval about even things which are said in satsang. Because that is the way we are conditioned, because we have this inner teacher that we have listened to for so many years. And he’s given us nothing but misery actually. That even when we hear what seems to be the truth, we are handing it over to him. And he will always come back and say ‘Yeah, yeah. He seemed like a genuine person but is it really possible? Maybe I need to see some more Youtubes of Mooji’. Something…, it will never say ‘Here. It’s here’. It will only say ‘Just a little more, just a little bit’.

So, can we say ‘I will not pick up this energy which is so tempting and seems to be so attractive’. Does it seem to be a possibility? [Mandira says ‘Yes’]. Yes? Very good.

So without picking up a thought, what remains? This is for all of us. When we don’t pick up a thought, then what remains?

Ustreamer877 says, “Bliss.”

Yes. And who experiences this bliss? Who knows about the presence of bliss also? Because if bliss is coming, that is also saying that bliss is going. Anything that is coming is also going. But what is not going? What stays?

Shanti says, “Just Presence.”

Amrita says, “Just Being.”

So, Being can not come and go in the waking state. I was telling her earlier that: ‘Can you stop being?’ You cannot stop being.

Yes, so Aryev says, “It remains just another story.”

The story of the mind, when it’s kept aside just becomes just like any other story, yes.

Ekla92 says, “Just perceiving.”  Yes.  “The perceiving remains without any concept.”

Ajnani says, “No words. Nothing.”  Very good.

Ustreamer200 says, “You.”

Stacy says, “Beingness. Just feel joy dancing in my heart.”

Ajnani says, “Awareness, Consciousness.”  Good.

Lucian says, “Nothing. But with a slight expectation. Some comment from the mind that it is not enough.”

But this comment like you said is also from the mind itself. And the mind will never say ‘Enough’. It will say ‘Almost there, just a little more, just about..” All of these things.

Prema says, “Just seeing.”

So what is clear is that the seeing does not stop. And the Being does not stop. So we’ve heard these fancy words for many years: Awareness and Consciousness. So pure seeing is Awareness. And pure Being is Consciousness. Which you’ve seen that; they’re here. All the rest comes and goes. Can we name one thing besides this seeing and besides this Being that does not come and go? It is the same in this state, this waking state, in the so-called dream states; everything else is coming and going. Every cell in our body is changing every few years. All the appearances around us are constantly changing. But does this Being go? Does this seeing go?

So, Prema says ‘Just seeing’. So the next question is: Where are you in relation to this seeing? And for all of you also: Where are you in relation to this seeing itself? And if we try to find the answer from our mind, it will come up with only some spiritual answers. So if seeing is here, there must be the possibility to see where I am in relation to it also.

Mandira [Inaudible].

So, she’s saying that if there’s only seeing, then you must be the seeing. But she’s saying it with a sense of…

Mandira [Inaudible].

Yes, it is using the mind to come up with this answer. In the sense that ‘Okay, it’s a logical conclusion that there is only seeing, hence I must be only the seeing’.

Mandira says, “But when I do sit and I….”

No, but right now? We must not have to refer to the past, or use any logic. It must be here. Seeing is here now? Are you seeing now?

Mandira says, “But I’m also using the mind…”

But who is seeing the mind also?  Is the mind not just a bundle of thoughts? So even the mind is seen, isn’t it?

Mandira says, “The mind is seen.”

Yes, as just this thought. So when Masters say ‘No mind’ it means that there is no thought; but when there is mind there is the seeing of that. So even no-mind is seen. That’s why I’m able to report, isn’t it, that there are no thoughts, there is no-mind; or able to report that there is a thought. But the seeing of thought or no-thought is the same, irrespective of whether it’s thought or not. No?  This seeing: Where am I in relation to this seeing? And not with using any logic or any past or anything. Just right now.

Zoe says, “I am the seeing.”

Aryev says, “The witness.”  We’ll look at that.

Prema says, “When I’m truly the seeing, can’t find a ‘me’.”

And when are you not truly the seeing? Try to become something else? Don’t be the seeing? Can you become…?

And Aryev had said ‘The witness’. And why I don’t like using the word ‘witness’ is that it sort of implies that there is a witness entity; that somebody who owns the seeing is sitting there in the backdrop somewhere and he’s sort of controlling this. But the fact is that even this witness we are not. We are the pure witnessing itself. There is no entity which owns the witnessing. And if it is understood like this, we come to the conclusion that I was never a noun, I was always a verb. I was never an entity, I was never a thing; I was just this seeing itself. But if that makes some uncomfortable, we can say that ‘You are Awareness’. Awareness is a noun, isn’t it? But it means the same thing, that awareness is not an entity. It is just the aware Presence. So just this seeing we have always been.

So, Prema had said ‘When I’m truly the seeing, I can’t find a ‘me’. And my question was: Is it possible for you not to be the seeing? Can you become the person and show me?

Ustreamer877 says, “No words to refer to. Just silence.”  Yes. Very good.

Shanti says, “Seeing is happening. No one to make it happen. Clear seeing takes place without a seer. It is beyond the mind.”

Yes, it is prior to the mind because the mind is just a collection of these thoughts, these memories, these images. When they are not there, then there is no-mind. But seeing…, the awareness is there that there is no mind. Just like the awareness is there that there is mind, we are able to report that there is no-mind. So that stays constant.

Ajnani says, “Only ever this.”

Prema says, “No. I’m always the seeing.”

I had told her ‘Can you try becoming something other than the seeing?’

So the worry comes ‘I can see this only in satsang. Very clear in satsang’. Anybody with a little openness, very easy to understand. The understanding is there, then the fear comes ‘but, but, but…in your Presence only, or in satsang only this is happening’. You know? ‘But when I go to my work and am with my family, then again I’m the person’. So I said ‘No. We only imagine ourselves to be the person, or pretend to be the person. Because this is the truth, we can never become something else. The seeing cannot become anything else. It cannot become the person. At best you can say that from this pure seeing itself, Being emerges. So there’s water, just water, and a part of that water gets frozen and becomes ice. It’s still water. But seems like it’s a different form. So from this pure seeing itself, this Being emerges. But more than that, any modulation does not happen to you. You can never …, you can try as you might, you can do whatever you want, but you can never become this person. You can only daydream about it. And therein lies the peace of God. Because in reality, nothing can touch you, or you cannot change. If it is truly happening to us that we are to become people, and then we are to become God again, then it would be pretty schizophrenic.

Ajnani says, “Nowhere.”  Yes.

Aryev says, “I see. Fair enough.”

Yes. About the witnessing. So even this witness, although it’s a good place to start; so maybe if somebody comes to satsang and they hadn’t had enough context, I would say ‘Can you just start by being the witness?’ And then after a few satsangs, I would say ‘Okay, tell me about this witness. Tell me just one attribute about it, about the witness itself’. ‘I was the witness for so many days, I did not get involved in the world’. So then the logical question is ‘Okay, then tell me about this witness. What does it look like? Where does he live? Give me one, any one attribute’. You cannot say anything except that all there is is witnessing.

So all entities that we can imagine ourselves to be are just imagined, even the so-called spiritual concepts that we have thought about or heard about. If we create just visual metaphors from them, that is the mind catering and saying ‘Here. You want the Universe? You want to be Universe? Here is my picture of the Universe’. So there are many Beings who come to satsang who say ‘I’ve seen the truth. There’s this huge black space, and in this space, I am there’. And then I say that ‘Who is the witness of this black space?’ Is that also black space, the witness? So it can seem like there’s a sense of spaciousness. I completely understand where they are coming from, but sometimes the trickster can just give us these visuals, saying ‘What do you want now? You want lights that are coming, with experiences of light?’ All kinds of things, right? But the witnessing is untouched by it, no matter what the content. The content could be here, it could be here, it could be here. [Points to head, heart, around the head]. It could be a great spiritual experience; but still content. The awakening experience is also content. Ultimately it has to be said. Because the awakening experience makes no difference to the witness; the witnessing. It is just part of the play itself also.

There are many who write to me on Facebook, for example, and say ‘Oh, you know, Ananta, 6 months ago I had an awakening experience’. And then they’re expecting some congratulations coming or something, you know? Because I’ve seen many, many times awakening experiences just get in the way actually. If they’re not properly guided, what happens is it becomes spiritual ego; and they cannot see themselves apart from this awakening experience. That becomes the center of their identity. And then it’s very difficult to have a conversation with them also because they are so stuck with the idea of being an awakened Being. So anything that is said from here that is sort of insulting the concept of their awakening, then the conversation starts going downhill. What happened? So I don’t engage much when it happens like that.

But the good news is that there is a beautiful thing called suffering. And anybody who has not come to the point of truth must be at the point of suffering. And suffering is God’s alarm clock. So when suffering is there, it is only there to show you that ‘Okay, this is something left to be transcended; there’s still something which you’re hanging onto, some belief or a concept about something’. Because it is not possible to suffer without believing a false concept, and all concepts are false. Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi used to say that ‘Use them as thorns to remove other thorns’… even what is said here, ‘Use them as thorns to remove other thorns and then throw away those thorns’.

You don’t have to hang on to anything. But if somebody is saying that ‘This is the way it is, I am saying because I’m so special’ then I would be very suspicious of that awakening. Because it is seen that all concepts…, there is no concept which is ultimately true. Even Nisargadatta Maharaj used to say that ‘All that can be said truly is that ‘I am’ and in the end, even that is not true’. Because even the ‘I am’ is arising within you; the witnessing is there for the birth of the Being. And where do we have to go to see this? Nowhere. It’s here right now. It is true right here, right now.

So what is seen is that it has always been this way; that I am untouched by the appearances, including the appearance and the disappearance of this person-entity which got so much belief from me in the past. And many times when we say this, the person is wanting to say something, or yell out something, or beat me up. [Laughs].

So, what are the pillars of this person idea? Some of the pillars of the person idea are identification with the body; that is one pillar. And when asked, they say ‘I must be this body. So clear’. But then when we look at what our problems are, what our issues in life are, what are things that truly concern us, we find that a very small percentage of them concern the body. They’re more to do with relationships, work, special relationships, money in the bank, no? So the body is completely unconcerned by all of these. So they realize that although we say that most of humanity believes themselves to be the body, it is not true. Because it would be a very simple, very easy existence if they truly believed that. The body would have some pain, then you would apply some medicine or take some medicine. The body just needs a little bit of care.

So most Beings actually do not believe that they are just the body; but they’ve never bothered to look at what they believe themselves to be. And everybody’s going around pretending to be a person. I know, it sounds like crazy talk if I was to go out on the street and say these things. ‘Are you going around pretending to be a person?’ [Laughs]. So, it’s a very normal part of our terminology, isn’t it? ‘What kind of person are you? I want to be a good person’. Everything is around this person idea. That’s why I like to use the word ‘person’ because it is more personal than using the word ‘ego’. The minute I would say ‘ego’ you would say ‘Oh, that’s not me. I know some people who are egoistic. That’s not me’. But the minute I say ‘person’ it’s like ‘Yes’. Sounds like a harmless concept. But actually it is the ego itself. And wherever there is a person, there is suffering.

So, Mooji actually joked with me once and said ‘Ananta, you know, this personal thing just doesn’t work’. It just doesn’t work. There is no person who is happy, peaceful, joyful. It is only those that have discovered that this person is not what they were, that come to this peace and joy. That doesn’t have to be in the form of a ‘state’. We were talking earlier about these states of bliss, or some kundalini experience or some chakras or something, something. But all these states will also come and go. What you are is untouched by any of this. So at best, they are spiritual candy along the way. Enjoy it. But if you are attached to this candy, then it’s more poisonous than fun actually.

So, many meditators, they will have some deep experiences; the next day they start their meditation with the expectation that ‘I should start from that point’. You know? ‘I saw some blue light here that I will see today also, because I will do it better, the technique’. And when it doesn’t happen, it’s so frustrating. It’s so frustrating. So if you’re attached to spiritual experiences then again there’s this attachment to the idea of what spirituality means.

So there are no practices. There is nothing to be done. It’s like Adyashanti…, did I give you a book once by him? ‘End of Your World’?

Mandira says, “You gave Nisargadatta.”

Adya [Adyashanti] says,( and all of them, I’ve heard it many times, but it will be fresh for you; he says), ‘Around which mountain does a shoe need to walk to become a shoe?’ If you are the Self, then what practice would make you the Self? Practices, at best, can be helpful in removing the person idea. But if they’re done very personally… So I don’t have a problem with meditation. I have a problem with the meditator idea. I have no problem with any spiritual practice; yoga, breathing, everything is fine; but as long as it is not reinforcing the person idea.

Alright, so Shanti says, “There is an invisible Presence that witnesses the visible.”  Yes.  “And there is the awareness of both. Simple but amazing when realized.”

The Presence actually is not even witnessing; it is just Being. And the witnessing is just witnessing. To put it very simply, the Presence is just Being, and the witnessing is just witnessing even this Presence. And this is the Presence of the Self that all of us are chasing through whatever paths we are on.

So now, we were just sharing the other day…, now with this very simple understanding, if you were to read our scriptures or any spiritual books, it will just seem like common sense. What seemed like so esoteric and unattainable knowledge will start to seem like it is just stating the basic facts of life; in the Shiva sutra, in the Ashtavakra Gita and the Ribhu Gita and the Brahma sutras.   … [Laughs]. Amaya is going to transcribe all this; and she will struggle through many of these words. But we’ll help you… But all of these scriptures will seem very, very basic. And you might find that some common things which have been read, for example in the Bible, God said ‘I am that I am’. And we spoke about the Presence of Beingness or ‘I am-ness’. And that is God. We said that in that light itself, the whole world is born. So, it’s that simple. So some of this which seemed like difficult messages or difficult to understand earlier will now become very, very basic.

Ustreamer200 says, “Love you. Thank you. Just here for some brief minutes, but now I have to go. Love you so much.”  Love you so much as well, Ustreamer200, wherever you are and wherever you’re going, love you so much. Good.

It’s simple, no?

Mandira says, [Inaudible]. “I’m afraid that I’ll be using my mind to filter, and still getting caught up in the person.”

So, the simple way…, although we said ‘No practice’…, the simplest way, the simple solution to this is don’t pick up any thought.

Mandira says, “Don’t pick up means that it’s going to come. So then I have to be …”

You can say ‘Some vigilance’. Initially it seems like some vigilance, but actually like my Master says, we are so used to carrying heavy bags that when we say ‘Drop your thought’ actually it means just dropping the bags. It does not mean a lot of hard work. The hard work is actually in the carrying. So now what happens with many in satsang is that to believe your next few thoughts, it will feel like very hard work. It will actually seem like ‘Oh, why would you want to go through all that?’ No?

Mandira says, “Yeah.”

So, in that sense, your starting to come here also very good. So what will happen is that believing a thought will seem like more work, which is the true place; because an actual state is to let everything go. So although this fear might come (which is another thought actually) that ‘What’s going to happen? Am I going to be able to…’ All thoughts again. But don’t say thoughts must not come. Don’t say that, because this is not about resisting thought. Because when we resist, we will repress, and it will sort of come back later. So just let everything come and go. And I use this in every satsang, ever since I’ve heard this sentence: ‘Let all come and go, just don’t serve it tea’. I think it was a great Zen Master who said this. Anyone knows the name of the Zen Master can type it out. Wonderful, isn’t it? So simple. Just let them come and go, but don’t serve them tea.

Ajnani says, “I am that I am.”  Yes. God said ‘I am that I am’.

Zoe says, “Jyoti. Love.”  Where is Jyoti? Oh, Jyoti, you’re Ustreamer200? Jyoti is in Monte Sahaja with Mooji right now. That’s good.

Ah! Ian says, “It was Shunryu Suzuki.”

Shunryu Suzuki that said ‘Let them come and let them go, but don’t serve them tea’. Very beautiful. At least this way we got Ian to say something during satsang. [Laughs]. Amrita has also looked it up and says ‘Yes, Ian’. But this is all we speak of every day actually. That’s why it’s a wonder why these 22, 25 people come.

Ma Prem Pragia says, “Namaste.”  Namaste.

Stacy says, “Before satsang, was addicted to spiritual experiencing.”  Yes.  “It was only reinforcing the idea of the meditator.”  Very good.

But there must have been the search for truth which was stronger than the meditation experience which brought you beyond that into satsang, which was telling you that you already are that which you have been searching for. In fact you cannot not be that.

And you know the most common thing the mind says in response to this is ‘Was that it? Is that all?’ And that’s when I say ‘So what must it be? What must it be that will convince you of your freedom? What must happen? To get this, to say ‘Okay, now I’m free’. We’ll manufacture that. [Laughs].

Mandira says, “But there must be something that happens. There must be a ‘before and after’ for you as well. At some point…”

Yes, the ‘before’ was the complete belief in the person idea, and the ‘after’ was the dropping of the person idea completely. And with that, then all of this becomes a very, very easy, happy dream.

Mandira says, “Does the person idea ever pop up?”

It does, momentarily, but just for a few moments.

Mandira says, “You don’t serve it tea.”   You don’t serve it tea, exactly. [Laughs].

Stacy says, “Satsang saved my life. Thank you, Father.”  You’re very welcome, my dear. Very good.

Zoe says, “Was the dropping of the person idea sudden or gradual?”

That’s a good question. So let’s look at it this way, that there was a dropping that was happening through listening to Mooji on Youtube. But when I went and sat with him, there was something where…, what we’ve heard of as ‘darshan’ but I’d never really experienced. But when I sat in his Presence on the so-called ‘hot seat’ then it was just so clear that it was not there, the person idea was just not there; and the oneness which sounded very good in books and in other people’s testimonies was so clearly apparent.

So it can be said that it was happening gradually earlier, and in the Presence of the Master there was a sudden sort of chopping; but it doesn’t have to be one way or the other. It can be gradual, gradual, gradual, gradual; it can be sudden, sudden, sudden. There can be some…, like in Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi’s story, if we were to say, if you have an experience, it was completely gone. Some would say ‘Okay, it is gone. I had an awakening experience; but then the person came back; and then it went again’. You know, all these kind of stories can happen. But the fact is, it is not how it goes. It is not about a sudden enlightenment or an awakening experience. It is about: In the now, what is there? Always in the now: What is there? So awakening is more relevant in the moment, not about the experiences of the past.

And it means nothing actually, because the awakening actually means nothing; because what you are is always what you are. Just by our belief in the person idea, nothing actually changes. Because if I was not always that, then it would have been some manufacturing, some new thing that was given to me. All the Master did was just wipe away the person for a while, so it was clear that it is ‘This’ which is true. And no Master does it like ‘Okay, I’m going to give him this, or give her that’. Just in the Presence of one who is not attached to the person idea, it automatically flows in this way.

Ustreamer877 says, “It is so beautiful to contemplate this. Pure joy, pure love. Thank you.”  Thank you, my dear. Thank you.

Shanti says [Laughs], “Slow cook or stir fry, as Mooji says.”  He has the best examples.

Mandira says, “Lovely.”  [Laughs].

Therefore everybody knows that I don’t fancy speaking about awakening experiences so much. I usually don’t even want to get into the story of me, and what happened, and what didn’t happen; because I know that it is so clear and true for everyone. It’s like Mooji also says, many times, that sometimes he feels that we are all just pulling his leg when we say we don’t see it or we don’t believe it: ‘You’re just messing with me’.

Lucian says, “Letting go of expectations is such a relief.”  Yes.

Because nothing new will happen. I know it’s a disappointing idea to the mind, but nothing new will happen. It will only be seen that it has always been this pure awareness. This untouched one has been this way…, in fact, time is born inside this one. So to say ‘this way forever’ is also not accurate. Good. It is the witnessing of the birth of the multi-verse and the dissolution of the multi-verse. All is happening for your own entertainment actually. This is all about you. Is that too much pressure? [Laughs]. All is a projection of your own Consciousness.

Zoe says, “Something to burn. Feeling a little guilt about feeling great joy after my dear friend’s passing. Feel like I have to manufacture extra grief.”

Yes. I completely relate to what you’re saying. So don’t attempt to manufacture anything. Just let it unfold in the moment exactly how it is meant to. Because it is.., especially in some cultures, it is very strong that we must grieve after someone has died. But for what are we grieving? What are we truly grieving? If we have truly seen for ourselves that we are the undying one, then how is it possible to grieve for another? I’m not saying that grief cannot come. Of course, grief is allowed to come just like everything else is allowed to come. But we should not be pressurized into feeling any emotion. But it’s very good that you can experience this, and then expose it in satsang. Because I know that, in many societies, even to talk about death and joy in the same sentence is considered almost sacrilege. But because you know the truth that nothing real can ever die, it is not possible to force yourself to grieve. And it must be said that in the Presence that is felt, your friend’s Presence also is the same Presence. There is only one Being. This Being is all-encompassing actually. It is not that there is a separate Being, and a separate Being and a separate Being…, all Being is This. The sense ‘I am’ is the one Being.

Shanti says, “Such beauty in the simplicity of [inaudible].”   Yes.

Zoe says, “Yes. Thank you, beloved Father.”  Very welcome.

Lucian says, “Satsang is such a beautiful way of reminding, this way towards innocence.”  Yes.

So if there are no burning questions, maybe we spend 5 minutes in silence together, all of us. Okay, there’s a question.

Amrit Gurav says, “Anantaji, is there any difference between in-person satsang and online satsang?”

Maybe one of the others can answer this one. For me, it’s all the same. I don’t feel that the Presence is not here in online satsang; in fact, I feel all of your Presence, I feel that the Presence of the Satguru is also felt here; and in-person also the Presence seems very strong. And I don’t feel that there is anything lacking in online satsang, but if there’s a strong feeling in your heart that you must come to the physical in-person satsangs, then that also can be followed.

Ustreamer877 says, “Same, same.”

Okay, so let me speak from the perspective of Mooji and myself. So I would have to say that online satsang is beautiful, and his Presence is so strongly here all the time anyway, but there is sometimes the urge to be in the physical Presence of the Master; but there’s not a feverishness about it. And to be honest, every year we promise Mooji that we’ll go to Portugal but it doesn’t just flow in that way sometimes. So, we’ve never been to Monte Sahaja. So although I can’t feel that there’s anything lovelier than sitting at the Master’s feet, the fact is that even now we are sitting at the Master’s feet.

“Yes, true,” Amrit says, “but sometimes feel like meeting you.”

Yes, of course, of course, you’re always welcome to come to Bangalore.

Shanti says, “We can’t physically hug, only virtual.”  Yes.

Ustreamer877 says, “Yes, everything happens in the right time.”  Exactly.

Om says, “Yes, Father, online satsang is great, but in-person satsang is quite something else.”

Stacy says, “Feel same, and strong feeling to be in your physical presence.”

Just trust that whatever brought you here will make sure that everything else also flows according to plan.

Amrita says, “It’s the same, but for some there might be some distractions if they are physically away. With physical proximity, full attention is on the Guru.”  Okay, very good point.  “Experience seems more enhanced, and more beautiful.”

Ananya says, “Your Presence is always here, Father.”  Very good.

Just follow your heart moment to moment, let everything unfold exactly like it has to.

Very good. Thank you so much. [Namaste].

Thank you everyone for joining us in satsang today.

Moojiji ki Jai !

So much love to all of you. [Waves]. Bye bye.

Sangha:  Moojiji ki Jai ! Anantaji ki Jai ! Thank you. Love you.

Namaste everyone, a very warm welcome to satsang today. Moojiji ki Jai.

[Namaste]. If you’re joining us for the first time, the way to ask questions is through the chat window. And I hope the broadcast is fine today. [Silently reading chat greetings]. Namaste. Both are perfect, video and audio. Okay, great, great. Namaste.

What is the birth of separation? Where does this sense of separateness come from?

We can all check, let’s look within ourselves. And what we might find is that in pure Awareness there is no sense of separateness at all. Do you see this, that in pure Awareness there is no sense of separation?

So, Ajnani says, “Identifying with the body or the thoughts.”  Yes.

Let’s come to that. Slowly let’s see step-by-step how this birth of separation takes place. So in pure Awareness there is no concept whatsoever of separation. So this ‘I verses the other’ just does not exist. Then what happens? In this pure Awareness, what is it that starts stirring first? What is the first movement?

You can all see and identify that in the pure seeing itself there is nothing at all; nothing to call even ‘one’ or ‘separate’.  All is Awareness itself. Then what is the first movement?

Ajnani says, “I”.

Atma says, “That ‘I am’. ‘I exist’ is the first.”

Ustreamer96 says, “I”.

So in this sense of pure seeing-ness, from somewhere, from within this Awareness itself, arises the sense of pure Beingness. Is this clear for everyone, that before this Beingness arises, nothing else is seen? It is only awareness of Awareness itself, before this Beingness takes birth.

So let’s be with this sense of Beingness. Means what? Means that with the birth of this Beingness is also the birth of attention; and subsequently also the birth of belief. So when we say ‘Be with the Beingness’ it only means ‘Keep the attention with the Beingness itself’. And notice that, in this Beingness, still no concepts have taken birth. So this Beingness is before the concept of Beingness. So when attention is just with this pure Presence ‘I am’, then is there now any sense of separation?

Ustreamer37 says, “Seeing is clear. Beingness is not.”

Okay, so are you asking what this Beingness is? Let’s look at the question. They say ‘Seeing is clear. Beingness is not’. This seems this way because the mind cannot fathom this Beingness. But if I were to ask you: ‘Are you being right now?’ Then very naturally you will say ‘yes’. Can you stop being now? Just stop being now.

So Ustreamer37 says, “Seeing is understood, Beingness is not felt.”

Actually, because it is ever-present in the waking state, and the dream state, that is why it seems like it is not felt. It is the difference actually between the sleep state and the waking state. So between sleep and waking up, what actually wakes up? What wakes up first? This is called the pure Presence ‘I am’. In sleep state, do you feel that you are? Do you feel the sense that ‘I am’? But in waking state, we cannot stop being. We cannot stop this sense that ‘I am’. And it’s not in the words ‘I am’. It’s in the sense which is the Presence itself; the sense of Being, the sense of existence.

Let me catch up.

Ajnani says, “No, I can’t stop Beingness.”

Stacy says, “Lightness of being. So peaceful, yet still sense of separation. The interpreter there, and this is seen.”  Okay, we’ll come to that.

Ustreamer30 says, “Sorry, ad has come.”  And somehow it seems to be working this way that whenever an answer is coming for that Being, then the ad comes for them. But what you can do, for next time, download the AdBlocker so that you don’t see the ads.

Atma says, “First wakes up the Beingness.”

Ustreamer30 says, “Between sleep and waking up, what wakes up? You mean the Consciousness?”

Yes. Exactly. This Beingness is Consciousness itself. So this Presence of Consciousness, of Beingness, of ‘I am-ness’, of Atma, whatever label we want to put on it is fine, but as long as it is seen that there is a Being here, there is a Being happening here. This is seen?

And we’ll come to Stacy’s point in a while. We’re just going step-by-step; step-by-step we are going. So even in deep sleep state, there is a sense of awareness. There is awareness which experiences even deep sleep. Therefore, when we wake up we can report ‘I experienced deep sleep’. There is nothing else; no phenomenon there to report. But awareness is still present. Then, with the birth of Beingness, with the birth of Consciousness is the birth of the ‘I am’. And if it is only the birth of this Beingness, would there be a sense of separation?

Ustreamer30 says, “Consciousness equal to mind.”

So, let’s look at the basic definitions again. When we say ‘mind’ here, what we are referring to is that mind is an energy construct, or a bundle of energy constructs called thoughts, imagination, memory; these kind of energy constructs are what we call the mind. So when we say ‘A thought is there’ then mind is there. When we say ‘No thought is there’ that is called the ‘no-mind’ state. But the sense of Presence or Consciousness is still there, whether there is mind or not, whether there is thought or not, whether there is memory or not, whether there is imagination or not. The sense of Beingness is ever-present in the waking state. Therefore we do not say, (and it could be a question of definitions), we do not say that Consciousness equals to the mind. Hope this is clear.

Then, Shanti says, “I cannot know ‘I am’ unless this sense of Being is felt. Is this said correctly?”

Yes. This ‘I am’ is the sense of Being itself. The sense ‘I am’ is the sense of Being itself. Yeah. So in pure Awareness itself, there is this emergence of this sense of Beingness; which is also seen. Awareness is also aware of this sense of Being. This much is clear to everyone?

Aryev says, “While one is in deep sleep, there is no awareness that one is deeply asleep. Is that the highest state?”

‘While one is in deep sleep, there is no awareness that one is deeply asleep. Is that the highest state?’ Yes. It can be said that way, that Awareness being aware of itself is the turiya state or the highest state. But because you are aware right now, therefore this awareness of Awareness is here right now. Therefore, this what you call ‘highest state’ is ever-present. And although it might seem like the backdrop of all that exists, actually it is the ground on which everything appears.

Lucian says, “I see Beingness, but I don’t see exactly when it takes birth.”

So what happens is that the waking state comes, and this Beingness is there. And we are able to say that ‘I just woke up’. Many times it will be that our eyes will still be closed. Many times it will be that all our senses will be closed, there are no signals coming from outside, but still the Being is there. We say ‘I woke up in the night and everything was quiet; it was all dark’. Eyes were open or closed, makes no difference, but ‘I woke up’. So this Beingness is present there. So what you say is that ‘I am not able to report seeing this Beingness wake up’. Because the ability to report comes after the birth of Beingness. No conceptual recollection can happen without the Beingness itself. Only a recollection of emptiness or nothingness can happen before the birth of Beingness. Very good.

Duran says, “Namaste, Father. A bit late today.”  No worries. Welcome.

Shanti says, “What I am trying to say is: Being is the clue to the Awareness that alone exists.”

For some, it is a very good clue. The Being is seen, and it is pure, untouched Beingness, but there is still an awareness of even this. So in this simple step we can come to our truest nature. Our truest Self can be recognized in this simple step of seeing what is aware of even Being.

And I know for some of you, this might be seeming a little bit abstract, a little bit too difficult; but go through this process. It is good. Because this is where the mind cannot help you. And the mind must give up in this process. And when the mind is side-stepped or by-passed, then all of this will seem like a very, very basic understanding. It will seem like kindergarten stuff. But if you try to understand it with your mind, it will seem like it is a Doctoral study. Just in a very simple seeing, without even trying to understand anything; just to check and to verify that clearly there is the seeing here, that sees all that appears, and there seems to be the Presence of Being here, that ‘I am. I know that I am’. And God said ‘I am that I am’. So this pure Presence, Being, Consciousness, God, Atma, Self, whatever term you want to use for it is fine as long as it is clear, and it’s not just a label. And the simplest way to look at it is to see: I cannot stop being now. Therefore, what cannot be stopped; that is Being.

Ajnani says, “This morning, very clear, more than ever, not intellectually but I don’t know what to say…,  like a very clear cling.”

This understanding will become clearer and clearer. And soon Being will be here like the sun itself. ☼ In the presence of the sun, you cannot deny the existence of the sun; in the Presence of the Being, you will not be able to deny the existence of Being.

And actually, only mentally we deny it. Because intuitively we know that ‘I am here’. We know that ‘I am Being’. If I were to say: ‘Are you here now?’ you would say ‘Yes’. What is this ‘I’? It is Being itself.

Okay, very good. So we’ve seen now that in pure Seeing there is no sense of separation, and attention is only with the pure Being. Therefore the concept of separateness has not given birth, isn’t it? So in many paths actually, just coming to this place of Being is called ‘Self-realization’. What we say is that: the Self is even the awareness of this Being. The Absolute, the truest Self, is the awareness even of this Being. Hmmm? But because when attention is just with this Beingness, where the sense of separation cannot arise, in many paths it is called the ‘Self-realization’ itself. This Being is called ‘the Self’ in many paths. And that is absolutely fine. We have no problems with any definitions. Only that it seems like a very simple step to say that: Even this Being is seen. Isn’t it? So, there is Seeing prior to even this Being. And there is no distance between me and this pure Seeing itself. Hence, ultimately I must only be this pure witnessing, pure Awareness, pure Seeing. Yes?

Good. Then what happens next? I want you all to look within, and see what is the appearance that comes next; and how it is identified with. So in the pure Seeing, there is the birth of the pure Being. What happens next?

Aryev says, “The feeling or experience of Beingness is called Self-realization, but it can come and go several times a day.”

Actually the sense of Beingness does not come and go several times a day. In the waking state, it is ever-present. It is only that attention can go to several things during the day, and does not necessarily stay at the Beingness itself. But throughout the waking state, there is still a ‘you’. There is a ‘you’ in operation; there is a sense ‘I am’ in operation. You are Being throughout the waking state.

Amaya says, “Lately noticing how ‘seeing’ includes all ‘looking at’, as awareness includes all seen, inside and out. Is this where the oneness comes from? All in field of awareness comes via this seeing.”

Let’s look at the question again. She says ‘Lately noticing how ‘seeing’ includes all ‘looking at’.  Yes. In the seeing, all the ‘looking at’s are there, yes.  “…as awareness includes all seen, inside and out’.  Yes, yes.  ‘Is this where the oneness comes from?’

Yes. Because it is all in this one awareness that all appearances come, all the ‘looking at’s can happen, like you said, within this field of Awareness itself. Therefore, this sense of oneness is there, that all comes from within me, within this awareness itself. Yes, that is very good. Good.

So now the Being is here. Then what happens next? Check for yourself, verify with your own experience.

Shanti says, “The pure Beingness gives birth to the idea or dream ‘I am a person’ or ‘a body with a person in it’.”   Yes. Very good.

She says ‘The pure Beingness gives birth to the idea or the dream of the person’. So what happens is that, with the birth of Being, then there is the ability to give our attention and belief. And even if there is an identification with this pure sense ‘I am’, in the sense of a separation with the rest of the appearance…, as long as this concept comes that there is a separation with the rest of the appearance in any part of it… So, even if there is a concept that the light of the projector, the light itself which is Consciousness, is separate from the movie; even if this idea comes, then that is the birth of separation. You see this? We say that ‘We are only the light of ‘I am-ness’ means it requires a belief in a concept. Otherwise, when there is a global seeing with no concept, then even the appearance is part of the light itself. In fact, it is impossible to distinguish between the ‘I am-ness’ and the rest of the appearance.

Atma says, “Happens the feeling that other Beings also Being, but other.”  Yes.

So, the instant that this belief in any concept that ‘I am restricted to this part’, (could be ‘I am-ness’, it could be the body, it could be the person idea), as long as there is the belief in any concept of duality, that means that there is separation. As soon as we label something a part of something, as ‘I’, instantly then there is separation itself. So that is the birth of separation.

Ustreamer10 says, “Sensations in the body appear; movements of thought.” Yes.

And the instant we attach the idea ‘I’, an idea of ‘I’ to anything, then the separation doesn’t actually happen, it only appears to happen. What is real can never be separated; only the dream of separation begins in this way.

Amaya says, “Attention goes to ‘another person’ standing there, and especially if talking. Still, all in awareness. But now (only seems to be) not-Oneness.”

Yes. ‘Only seems to be not-Oneness’. Because we have labeled something as ‘I’ and labeled another part of the appearance as another. But ultimately the sense ‘I am’ is also the root appearance, isn’t it? It is appearing to pure Awareness itself.

So the instant we label something as ‘I’ then automatically there is ‘another’. Unless we keep the sense ‘I’ with pure Awareness itself, the instant we label something as ‘I’ then there is the birth of another. That is duality. So if I label myself as ‘I-as-a-person’ then there is a birth of all other Beings as persons.

Amaya says, “Yes. See that. All in the light of the projector itself.”

Ustreamer96 says, “Yes. No suffering or words here.” Yes.

Atma says, “I hear <censored> clear, deep. Inside it is clear. Thank you, Father.”  Very good.

Lucian says, “Some thoughts happen charged with personhood; the responsibility. Sometimes they feel like a subtle attack.”

Yes, yes. Completely. So when we say that a concept was believed in, that ‘I’ as a concept (and it could be any concept was believed in), it must be only after a thought arises and is given belief to. And it is therefore that we say that: Let all thoughts come and go.

So what seems like a very basic, very simple exercise has the power to get rid of this sense of separation from the very root. Because to believe in separation means to believe in any ‘I’ concept. And when all concepts are allowed to just come and go, without any belief, then this world of suffering cannot be given birth, because the ‘separate person’ idea is not believed in.

So ‘Thoughts are a subtle attack’. Yes. Because they are an attack on reality. They cannot actually attack reality, but they seem like an attack on reality. What that means basically is that they are all lies. Because they refer to you as a separate one, they are all lies; because you cannot be separate.

Okay, so Amaya has a good question. She says, “Awareness is all one. But is Beingness /  ‘I Am’ the same ‘I Am’ for all Beings, isn’t it?”

So, let’s look at this very clearly. There is one Awareness within which there is born this one Beingness. In the light of this Beingness, all is projected; the whole universe is projected. The body is projected, everything else around this body is projected in the same light of Beingness. So just like this body is a projection, all bodies are a projection. Just see that there is this one light of Beingness.

Because this is a common misperception in spirituality. Even yesterday I read something where a great master had said something once which was, (ultimately has to be said) not true actually. Because he had said that ‘All in appearance have different levels of Consciousness’. Which is not true. It is like saying that some parts of the movie have less light. So if a chair is being projected in the movie, it has less and different light; and if a person is being projected in the movie, it is a different light. It is just not true. This is like saying ‘In a dream some parts are made of a different consciousness, and another part of the dream is made up of a different consciousness’. All Beings in a dream, all appearances in a dream, are made up of the same one Consciousness. It is not a different set of Consciousnesses. (Even if that is a word? ‘Consciousnesses’). [Laughs].

It is all one Consciousness. So now we’re getting to the root of the teaching itself; the root of ALL the scriptures, the deepest understanding which is possible, which is to see that: In the light of this One Beingness, the entire universe emerges. All Beings in the dream, all Beings in the illusion, are only the One Being. All that appears in the dream is using the light of the same Consciousness.

Atma says, “To believe in separation is to believe in any ‘I’. <censored> Yes, is clear. Thank you, Father.”  Very good.

Amaya says, “Guess it must be, since no separate ‘I’. Still hard to get that there is no ‘I’. Surrendering this.”

The ultimate ‘I’ is the ‘I-Awareness’ itself. The ‘I’ seeing the seeing of all there is; with no ‘seer’ at all; with no entity that owns the seeing; just the pure seeing is ‘I’. And yet, with the birth of Consciousness, we have the power to give this identity ‘I’ to parts of the appearance itself. Maybe it is designed so that when this game is played it has more juice for us. And when this ‘I’ identification is given to smaller parts of the appearance, any part of the appearance, then this causes the sense of separation. But ultimately ‘I’ is Awareness itself. I am that within which even Consciousness takes birth.

Amaya says, “Thank you. Yes, I see now.”  Very good.

Atma says, “To believe in separation is to believe in any ‘I’. <censored> Yes, is clear. Thank you, Father.”  Very good.

So, is this clear for everyone? Does it seem like it’s too difficult or too abstract?

Ustreamer96 says, “Thank you.”  Thank you very much.

Cornelia says, “Clear.”  Very good.

Wibeke says, “It’s clear.”  Very good.

Atma says, “Thank you, Father.”  Very good.

Ajnani says, “Very clear.”

And if this is clear, now you can pick up any scripture, the most esoteric scriptures; you can pick up the Shiva sutras, or the Brahma sutras; these ones which are supposed to be read only by the most accomplished yogis and sadhus; you can pick up any of these scriptures. And now you can read all the Ashtavakra Gita, and Ribhu Gita you can read, and it will feel like very common sense, very, very basic, because now you have tasted for yourself the truth. You have experienced for yourself the truth. So all knowledge will seem very simple to understand.

Ajnani says, “Very clear.”

Atma says, “The Being is only one.”   Yes.

Ajnani says, “Thank you.”  Very good.

Amaya says, “When realize ‘If I am not there to see it, it’s not there’, then can realize that all appears from Awareness.”

So, yes. Exactly. If the seeing is not there, it does not exist.

Ustreamer510 says, “I cannot understand rationally, but it feels right to be here.”  Very good. Very good.

In this feeling right, in this feeling of the sense of Presence in satsang, all will get cleared up; all will get conveyed in the silence; all will get conveyed in the Presence itself. Therefore, satsang is not just in the words. I say this often that: Satsang is more in the Presence itself, and the words are just a by-product. Because if it was just words, then it was not possible that so many Beings are understanding this SO simply; this knowledge which was supposed to be available only for the one-in-a-million; only for the very rare Being, after doing many, many years of seva in a Guru’s ashram were given access to knowledge. But the very Presence now is making it available even through this medium of technology.

So it’s good that you are not understanding rationally; although there is nothing ultimately wrong with an intellectual understanding. But if it is not happening, but you feel right in your heart that the Presence of truth is here, then all will get clarified very quickly.

Stacy says, “Yes, seems like so basic and common sense when read.”  Yes.

Aryev says, “Sorry, I am a bit confused now.”

It is fine. It is good to get confused because the mind will lose its confidence in it’s misconception. In the Presence of the truth the mind will get more and more confused until you just set it aside, and see for yourself what is present here, right now. Because what we are speaking of is Present Here, Right Now. So if we can keep the mind aside, let it get as confused as it likes, and say ‘This is here right now. This I see’. Then we can start from there.

Cornelia says, “At last I understand the Bible.”

Very good.  God said ‘I am that I am’.

Amaya says, “Yes, you have made it so amazingly easy. So grateful.”

It’s all Mooji’s grace, all the Master’s grace which is flowing in all of us. Very good.

Stacy says, “Just silence. Presence very strong. And this Presence is seen.”  Very good.

Who can say these kind of words without the true experience of truth? Very good.

Ajnani says, “But you made it very simple.”

Stacy says, “Surrendering whatever is left here that believes in separation at your feet, Father.”  Very good.

Aryev says, “I understand that Beingness-state feeling…,”  Okay, very good.  “…but is Self-realization just an intellectual understanding that this state of Beingness is what Self-realization is?”

No. The Self-realization is not the intellectual understanding. What I said was that in many paths just to come to this understanding that ‘I am this Consciousness itself’, just to come to this point of Beingness itself is considered Self-realization; not as an intellectual understanding but as this pure seeing that ‘This ‘I am’ is here, and this ‘I am’ must be me’. This is what is called, in many paths, Self-realization. ‘Atma Sakshatkaar’ means to come…, (and I know that non-Hindi, non-Sanskrit speakers will have trouble with this but…), to witness the own Beingness is for many called Self-realization. ‘Atma Sakshatkaar’ means to be a witness to your own Being. But what I was saying is that in many of these paths they are not saying ‘What is witnessing even the Atma? What is witnessing even this pure Beingness?’ So even this pure witnessing, which is really ever-present even in the deep sleep state, or deeply meditative states like turiya, that pure Awareness must be me; that ‘I’ must be the true Self.

Atma says, “I am that I am.”

Prema says, “Awareness seems to be more and more existing everywhere; not in or out of me, but there still seems to be a center that is around the 3^rd-eye. Is that okay?”

So, especially if we have done some yogic exercises in the past, attention seems to go in deep states to this chakra here, the 3^rd-eye, and that is absolutely fine. So some might even say that the center of Beingness seems to come from here. [Brings hand out from 3^rd-eye area]. But we will see that there is a non-localized seeing, a global Awareness, that is even aware of the birth of Being from here, [Brings hand out from 3^rd-eye area], if that is your experience. More usually it seems to be the heart region that seems to be the center of Being itself. That’s why the great sages like Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi had talked about it as the Heart itself. Many times they refer to Being as the Heart itself. But it is okay if it is happening in the 3^rd-eye. That seems to also be an experience. But to see that there’s a global Awareness within which the concept of this space, [Brings hand out from 3^rd-eye area], the concept of this 3^rd-eye, is also born in this Awareness. Without Awareness, it does not exist. Without Beingness also it does not exist actually; because in deep sleep state there is not even the 3^rd-eye, there are no chakras. But it is fine.

Shanti says, “Seen and felt. No belief necessary.”   Yes.  “Only the false needs belief.”

Only the false needs the crutches of belief. The true is ever-true, irrespective of belief.

Ustreamer996 says, “Ananta, when everything is pre-destined, how to understand planning and preparing a daily plan at work? Sometimes bogged down with planning. Most of the time, planning does not work. How to completely surrender to the Cosmos?  Understand that the world is illusory, but still sometimes expectations happen; and how to overcome them also?”

So, let’s slow it down. Let’s look at all the questions. They say ‘Ananta, when everything is pre-destined, how to understand planning and preparing a daily plan at work?’  The simplest way to understand choice.., otherwise it can be a subject of debate for many, many years…, the simplest way to understand choice is to first understand what we are referring to ourself as. So, mostly it seems like we are talking about personal choice, that ‘I as a person should have the choice to decide to do something or the other’. Therefore the first, most logical question to ask is: ‘Is there such a person in existence? Where does this person exist?’ And if you were to enquire with an open mind, you would come to the conclusion that no such person ever existed; it was just a bundle of ideas, it was just a set of beliefs which were clumped together to create the concept of this person.

That’s what most of our satsang is about is to SEE the illusion called the person never existed at all. And if it seems a little complicated, and if this is your first satsang, just stay for a while, come for a few more, and it will seem like a very simple understanding. And once you see that this person never was anyway, the idea of personal choice itself becomes very funny. And then you will see that all that is here, all that is appearing here, is a play of Consciousness itself. So all is only God’s choice. Even God plays the game of pretending to plan, or pretending to not plan; pretending to make effort or pretending to not make effort. Only God is here actually. The person never was.

‘How to completely surrender to the Cosmos?  Understand that the world is illusory, but still sometimes expectations happen; and how to overcome them also?’ So, when we see that no person actually existed, and all thoughts are referring to us as a person, then we say ‘Okay, I’m going to let go of this voice of lies. I’m going to let go of this voice of lies which is constantly only calling me a person, only calling me an ego, only calling me the separate identity’. Then we’ll decide to let go of this voice of lies. Then this voice is allowed to just come and go; and with this, all expectations, all desires, all misery, all suffering is let go of. God cannot suffer. It is only the imagined idea which suffers from it’s own ideas. So if you refer to yourself as a ‘person’ then suffering will continue, because ultimately you are believing a lie.

So if you are believing that you are a person, you must be able to point out and say ‘Here. Here is where this person is’. And we have seen through many satsangs that it is not the body idea which is the problem, because most of our problems are not the body’s problems. The body has very simple needs and requirements. Most of our problems are to do with inter-personal relationships, personal issues, personal likes and dislikes, personal desires and aversions. All these are not belonging to the body. All this is belonging to the false person idea.

So, where is this person who has likes and dislikes, who has desires and aversions? And once this person idea, if truly inquired with some openness, very simply then it will be seen to fade away very quickly. Therefore life is great in that it makes those that are believing in lies suffer. As long as there was a belief in lies here, there was suffering here. It was pure grace. Because if there was no suffering, even after believing lies, then the delusion would last forever. So the game works in this way that when we believe lies, we suffer.

So, do one of two things. One is inquire into the nature of who you are: ‘Who am I? Am I really this person?’  Or, what I say is the simplest way is just to have some faith and let go of all your thoughts, and see how life will unfold very beautifully. But don’t expect it to unfold according to some other thoughts. It will not unfold according to your mind. But intuitively you will sense that it is so auspicious the way it continues to flow.

Lucian says, “There is a reluctance to say ‘All is clear’. But actually it is.”  Very good.

There’s no need to say actually. And saying in satsang is okay, but no need to make any proclamations to any Beings outside of satsang; no need to put any specialness to ourselves, because that is the birth of the spiritual ego.

Atma says, “Thank you. At your feet always.”  Thank you, my dear.

Lucian says, “I put everything at your feet.”  Thank you so much.

Ustreamer996 says, “It is pretty trickier in official life.”

There is no ‘official life’. It is an ego trip to say that ‘When I go back to the real world, when I go back to work, when I go shopping in the marketplace, then everything changes’. It is just another thought; don’t believe it. Nothing actually changes. You are Awareness itself, always. The truth is always the truth. The Self is always the Self.

Cornelia says, “Thank you, Ananta, for removing the veils and curtains.”  Very welcome.

Amaya says, “Thank you so much.”  Very welcome.  “Wonderful to more fully see Oneness.”  Very good, very good.   “Surrendering all ideas of any separate entity to you / Satguru.”  Very good.

Stacy says, “Thank you. I love you so, so much.”  Same/same, my dear. Very good.

[Namaste].

Ajnani says, “Thank you so much.”   Thank you. [Namaste].

Thank you all so very much for joining us in satsang today. [Namaste].

Beautiful, beautiful.  Moojiji ki Jai !

Sangha: Moojiji ki Jai !  Anantaji ki Jai !  Thank you. Love you.

Namaste everyone, very warm welcome to satsang today. Moojiji ki Jai.

Thank you all so very much for joining us. If this is your first time here you can ask your questions in the chat window. Namaste, Namaste.

What do you feel about having the silent sitting today? What I feel to do is we can sit in silence together today. Unless there are some burning questions that one of you has, or some of you have. Especially if it’s your first time here, and you would like to ask some questions, let us know. Else, we will spend an hour in silence today.

Okay, so most of you are saying ‘yes’. We’ll wait for a minute or so if someone has something else to say, we will wait.

Silent is good. Okay, very good, very good. So maybe what one of us can do is announce here in the chat window, as well as on the social stream, that we are having a silent sitting today and that is why there is no speaking going to happen.

Also, just some guidelines for all of you: That when we are sitting in silence, after the first few minutes what might happen is a strong mind resistance would come; and it could be in the form of some work that needs to get done, some email that needs to get checked, or some talking that needs to happen, or any other activity. So just decide that until the end of satsang today all of this will be left aside as much as possible. As much as possible, we will leave aside all other activities and just be with this presence. Just be with the presence of satsang for the next few minutes.

[Laughter] Amaya says, “You could get one of those ‘in silence’ buttons for your shirt.” Yeah, we used to have those badges, ‘in silence’ badges.  Yes.

Very good. Moojiji ki jai. May his presence shine through our hearts during this time of silence and love that we will spend together now. We often say that satsang is not just about the words. In fact, words are just a byproduct of satsang. True satsang means to be in the presence of the satguru in your own heart. And with Mooji’s grace, I am certain that all of us in this silence today will have a deep experience of this presence. Om shanti, shanti, shanti.

[Long Silence].

If sleep comes strongly for some of you, then for awhile you can keep your eyes open. Otherwise, it is okay to have them open or closed, as whatever you feel more comfortable. Let all distractions come and go. Just for a short amount of time, don’t engage with anything at all.

[Long Silence].

Be completely open to all that is arising. Observe the sensations arising in your body.

[Long Silence lasting the rest of the hour].

Om Namah Shivaya. [Head bowed]. [Namaste]. Satguru Moojiji ki Jai!

If there is a strong feeling in the heart to say a few words, then we can. But there is no rush to come out of this silence. Slowly and gradually, let your heart guide you if any words need to be expressed.

I will not read out every comment because some of you are still in silence. I’m so happy to see so much love which is flowing here.

Thank you all so very much for joining us in satsang today.  Moojiji ki Jai!

Sangha: Moojiji ki Jai. Anantaji ki Jai.  Thank you. Love you.

There will come a point in all our lives where we will be face to face with the fact that all the suffering that has ever come has been because of this person that we believed ourself to be. We will be confronted by this fact. And then this person will be asked to leave. This person will be given no interest, and will be asked to leave. You will say that ‘I am only interested in hearing the voice of my Master. There is no interest in hearing the ego’s voice any more’. And whether you call it choice or whether you call it grace actually makes no difference. But once this ego’s voice has been let go of, then you will find that ‘I am always the Self. I am the Self alone. I have always been That’.

So the so-called spiritual journey ends at the point with the realization that it never started anyway; that there was no journey; I have always only been the Self. And in this apparent contradiction is the life of a seeker. Starts off as a journey, and ends with the realization that no journey was required.

Q: “Ananta, the other day you said ‘If you truly surrender’. What do you mean by truly surrendering.”

Did I say? I have no recollection that I said ‘If you truly surrender’ but what it means very simply is that if we really let go of our thoughts. What is the simplest way to surrender? Even if there is a sense of duality?  But if we were to say ‘My life is my Guru’s problem now’. If it is not an experience that ‘My Guru and I are one’ but at least there is this sense of surrender that ‘My life is my guru’s problem now’ then why does it work? It works because all these thoughts which are coming into our heads are not our problem now. All these thoughts are talking about how to make our life better; but we have already surrendered to the Master, therefore they hold no meaning for us. So it is clear that…, we can say ‘If you truly surrender’ it is clear that this surrendering is also a play of Consciousness itself, it is pure grace itself. Just like all other action and experience, it all belongs to Consciousness. In the same way even this surrender is a play of Consciousness itself.

But I don’t usually say it like this, because it seems to become a very convenient excuse. Therefore what I like to say is that: If you feel that as a person you have some choice, then the only choice you need to make is the choice to surrender. And then as the surrendering happens, you will see that this game of choice was also only a play of grace itself. So if there is any sense of personal volition or choice, then we can make the choice to let go of our thoughts.

Q: “In that case can we talk about arrogance? There is seeing of much arrogance and ugliness in this personality.”

Yes. What is the ultimate arrogance? What is the arrogance at the root of all other arrogance? The ultimate arrogance is the belief that ‘I can be separate from God’. The ultimate arrogance must be that ‘there is a person here who is not part of God’. Which means that we say ‘God is everywhere; but me as a person, I have the power to lead a separate life’. It doesn’t seem like an arrogant thought, but in effect it is the most arrogant. All other arrogance flows from this root thought of separation. Because if the separation is not there, and all is seen as one, then how can there be any arrogance?

So, the easiest way is to see that: The arrogant one never existed anyway. It was a character in the book which seemed to be given the characteristic of arrogance. The character in the book never came out of the book; it’s life is completely dependent on the author. But the author is free to write that the character became arrogant. Did the character even create his own arrogance? Does he have the power to create anything at all? Is all of this not just a happening in God’s own imagination? When we say that ‘All of this is just a projection of consciousness itself’ does it not mean that it is a dream that God is having? And if this is God’s dream, and you exist, then what must you be? Must you be a character in the dream, or must you be That in which this dream is born?

Like, in this way, if you continue to observe and just be the witness, you will find that without giving it an attribute like ‘I became arrogant’…, if you were just able to say that ‘Arrogance appeared and then it went away’ then that is absolutely fine. Because actually there is no one here to control what appearances here are appearing. But you do seem to have the power to believe or not. So if I believe that ‘I became arrogant’ then that is what causes suffering. If it was just seen that there was an appearance of arrogance, like you say ‘just an appearance of arrogance’ then it just will come and will go. The minute you say ‘I became arrogant’ that becomes the root of suffering.

Q: “Father, can you please talk about the physical body, it’s limitations, it’s sickness, ailments, and pain; dealing, coping with all of this and not getting into body identification?”

Yes, sure, sure. So, the medicine is the same. The medicine for this is the same medicine as for all other appearances of suffering. And the medicine is: not to believe our mental interpretation. So, a pain will arise; there is no body which is without pain. In fact in every body, to some degree, there is always some pain. It’s only that our attention doesn’t go to it because it is below a certain threshold. But even if you were to scan right now, you would find that there are some slight areas of pain; and for some there might be areas which are more. But there is always something in the body. But the suffering comes only when we believe a thought about it. When we say ‘Oh, why does this always happen to me?’ or ‘I’m losing my health now. I’m starting to grow old now’…, then this thought can cause the suffering actually. To just be with the pure presence of pain actually is not too bad.

I know some of you will feel that it’s not a compassionate thing to say, but try it out for your own self. To be in the pure presence of pain is not too bad; but to believe these thoughts about the pain…, that causes real suffering. When we stop fighting the pain, where there is openness and acceptance of the pain, then scientifically it has been proven that the experience is much more bearable. So also, pain is telling us something; that something needs our attention. And if it needs some treatment from a doctor, or needs some application of some medicine, then all of that is fine as a very practical interpretation. But the instant we start giving it some belief that ‘it affects me’ in some real way, that is when we fall into the ego trap. And the minute we start fighting with our pain and resisting our pain, denying it’s existence, then the pain seems to be even more loudly shouting for our attention. So pain actually just seems to be a call for our attention. And when we are open with giving it our attention, it seems not too unbearable.

Q: “When there is pain or sickness, the pain seems to go there completely and exaggerate what actually is.”

The attention can go there completely. And if you’re completely open to keeping the attention there, then it will not even bother you. The exaggeration comes only from a thought. And the exaggeration only comes when we feel that our attention should not go with attention. We can all try this even right now. If we are open to our feelings and we’re fearless about it, and we’re happy to be in the presence of this pain, you will find that it does not want to hold onto your attention also for too long. But if you make it a fight for your attention then it seems to scream louder and louder to get out.

Namaste everyone, a very warm welcome to satsang today. Moojiji ki Jai !

Thank you very much for joining in. If this is your first time in satsang, know that the way to ask questions is through the chat window. And I hope the audio and video are fine. Namaste. Pranam. Namaste. Good. Both are good, okay good. Namaste. Rashmi says, “No audio or video are here.” Maybe you should try refreshing. Vish is also here today, very good.

My apologies for being a little late to satsang today, but I have had quite a day where…, and it rarely happens like this, but from 9:30 onwards this morning I have been in some meetings or the other. I realized that I have spoken almost non-stop from 9:30 onwards until now, which is 4:30 in India. One of those rare days. So much speaking has happened here. But it’s completely clear now that once we are dealing with the idea of personhood, everything becomes very complicated. The belief in the ego is the birth of complexity, which is very good to understand; because any time we find complexity, we know that there is personality.

Thank you so much. Thank you, Amrita. Thank you, Shanti. No, I am perfectly fine. And Jyoti forgives me for being late. Thank you, thank you, my dear.

Ustreamer812 says, “We can be silent if you would like to take a break from speaking, Ananta.”

No, I am good for now. Maybe as we go along, if there seems to be no energy here to talk, then maybe we can become silent. But for now, words seem to be flowing very nicely, so this is fine. Speaking with all of you is always such a joy. Very good.

So without giving birth to a person, can we say that anything is complex? All complexity must come from belief in some concept or another. Therefore those who find satsang very complicated, satsang very complex, it is only because there is a person trying to understand it.

Ah, Prema says, “Ananta, the other day you said ‘If you truly surrender’. What do you mean by truly surrendering.”

Did I say? I have no recollection that I said ‘If you truly surrender’ but what it means very simply is that if we really let go of our thoughts. What is the simplest way to surrender? Even if there is a sense of duality?  But if we were to say ‘My life is my Guru’s problem now’. If it is not an experience that ‘My Guru and I are one’ but at least there is this sense of surrender that ‘My life is my guru’s problem now’ then why does it work? It works because all these thoughts which are coming into our heads are not our problem now. All these thoughts are talking about how to make our life better; but we have already surrendered to the Master, therefore they hold no meaning for us. So it is clear that…, we can say ‘If you truly surrender’ it is clear that this surrendering is also a play of Consciousness itself, it is pure grace itself. Just like all other action and experience, it all belongs to Consciousness. In the same way even this surrender is a play of Consciousness itself.

But I don’t usually say it like this, because it seems to become a very convenient excuse. Therefore what I like to say is that: If you feel that as a person you have some choice, then the only choice you need to make is the choice to surrender. And then as the surrendering happens, you will see that this game of choice was also only a play of grace itself. So if there is any sense of personal volition or choice, then we can make the choice to let go of our thoughts. Is that clear?

Shanti says, “In that case can we talk about arrogance? There is seeing of much arrogance and ugliness in this personality.”

Yes. What is the ultimate arrogance? What is the arrogance at the root of all other arrogance? The ultimate arrogance is the belief that ‘I can be separate from God’. The ultimate arrogance must be that ‘there is a person here who is not part of God’. Which means that we say ‘God is everywhere; but me as a person, I have the power to lead a separate life’. It doesn’t seem like an arrogant thought, but in effect it is the most arrogant. All other arrogance flows from this root thought of separation. Because if the separation is not there, and all is seen as one, then how can there be any arrogance?

So, the easiest way is to see that: The arrogant one never existed anyway. It was a character in the book which seemed to be given the characteristic of arrogance. The character in the book never came out of the book; it’s life is completely dependent on the author. But the author is free to write that the character became arrogant. Did the character even create his own arrogance? Does he have the power to create anything at all? Is all of this not just a happening in God’s own imagination? When we say that ‘All of this is just a projection of consciousness itself’ does it not mean that it is a dream that God is having? And if this is God’s dream, and you exist, then what must you be? Must you be a character in the dream, or must you be That in which this dream is born?

Like, in this way, if you continue to observe and just be the witness, you will find that without giving it an attribute like ‘I became arrogant’…, if you were just able to say that ‘Arrogance appeared and then it went away’ then that is absolutely fine. Because actually there is no one here to control what appearances here are appearing. But you do seem to have the power to believe or not. So if I believe that ‘I became arrogant’ then that is what causes suffering. If it was just seen that there was an appearance of arrogance, like you say ‘just an appearance of arrogance’ then it just will come and will go. The minute you say ‘I became arrogant’ that becomes the root of suffering. Good.

Rashmi says, “The seeker today was so tired of seeking but something feels better now.”

This attribute which you refer to is an attribute of the personal idea. To be a seeker, first there must be a person, isn’t it? So you saw that the seeker was there, and it was tired of seeking. But was the seeker ever real? Were you ever this seeker? Are you all with me? Are you all with me today?

So the minute we say that ‘The seeker was tired’ it is already good because we are not saying that ‘I became tired’. And now very easily the interest in the life of the person, and what is unfolding in the life of the person, will also start to wean. There will be not so much interest in measuring the content of this personal life. Every moment will be treated with new wonder and new joy. So stop taking care of the person. Stop catering to the needs of this person. And note I am saying the person; I am not saying the body. But stop catering to the needs of the person. Because the person is wearing the mask of a seeker now, and the seeker can have many, many complications it’s journey. It is building a very strong story of it’s own journey to freedom.

But you have never been this seeker. You have always only been the impersonal Awareness which is aware of this emergence of the idea of the seeker. So let the seeker be completely tired or let it be completely full of enthusiasm, it does not affect you. So we are not now giving room for you to identify even subtlety. Even through subtle testimonies we are not allowing any identification to happen now. Because the ego is such that you give it an inch and it takes a mile. So if I were to allow you to identify with the seeker identity, then this seeker identity can keep you trapped for many lifetimes actually. So while in reality nothing will change, you will always be this impersonal Awareness; but your testimony in words will be that ‘I am suffering the life of this seeker identity’. Very good.

Louise says, “There seems to be a cycle that comes around which is times when satsang feels complicated and frustrating to completely silent and coming from my own Self.”

‘There seems to be a cycle that comes around which is times when satsang feels complicated and frustrating’. It does happen this way, where it seems like sometimes the words just don’t make any sense. It seems like only gibberish is being spoken, and the same words to some other Being would seem like it is pure heavenly music. Every word seems to carry so much Presence.

So this is a great indicator to see whether there is some identification which is happening here to even a person attending satsang. So if you are coming into satsang as a person, it is bound to feel frustrating and tiring actually; torturous. But if you leave the person now, if you let go of the idea of being a person and let everything just dance in front of you, then very quickly you will find the joy in the Presence which flows here. But it can happen sometimes where this seems very strong, because actually the person idea is being squeezed out of you and it doesn’t want to let go. And until it’s last breath it will keep fighting for you. In the same way that until my last breath I will keep pointing you towards what is true, because this voice can only say what is true. But that voice, the voice of the ego, will only keep you caught up in the personal idea. And if there is a seeming choice, the only choice is whether to listen to this voice or whether to listen to that voice. So let the roller coaster, let the cycle happen. Just be the witnessing of this up and down. Is the witnessing touched by any of this up and down, any of this cyclic pattern; does the witness get touched?

Atma says, “Yes, my life is my Guru’s problem now.”  Very good.

Cornelia says, “My life belongs to you, Anantaji.”  Very good.

Shanti says, “There is observing of this person, but there seems to be some, not strong, reaction to it’s words. It seems to be in sharper focus than before.”  Yes.

So if you are referring to a sensitivity about it, in a sense of ‘nothing is able to escape this witnessing now. All these things which were denied earlier and repressed seem to come up to the surface’. If you are speaking about just this process of all this bubbling up and being allowed to be released, then it is absolutely fine. But if there is something which is judging, if there is a judgment of your own arrogance, then this judge also must be thrown away.

There is a difference between seeing something as red in color and that red in color becoming important to you, or you wishing that the red was blue. So just to see that arrogance is here, or ego is here, is absolutely fine. But to see the appearance of any appearance and to say that ‘This must not be’ and to give it meaning enough to cause you suffering, is again coming from the person itself. So we must check and see whether it is just a normal seeing that ‘All this appears to have been here’, you know, with a sense of surprise even saying ‘Where did this come from?’ Many times we are surprised, no? Where all this stuff comes from? So to see it with that sense of wonder is fine. But to say that ‘Oh, I thought that I was completely over this, I didn’t realize that I am still arrogant’ then we are giving birth again to this personal ‘I’. So let all of this appear and let it be thrown away in the same way as we are doing with all of our thoughts. Every thought can come and it can go. Very good.

Atma says, “Yes, I saw it yesterday, Father, that even this is a play of Consciousness; this surrender. But I love this game so much.”

It must be that Consciousness loves this game, otherwise why would he choose to play it? Beingness must love this appearance in some way, and that is why it keeps appearing in this way. And as long as you don’t put on a persona, it is absolutely fine to enjoy the fruits of what are here, what is here appearing. There’s such great wonder, great joy, at all the appearances. All this is possible. As long as we don’t confuse ourselves to become part of the content, all content can be enjoyed.

Aradhana says, “All surrendered at your feet.”  Thank you. Good.

Atma says, “Consciousness loves this; enjoys it.”  Very good.

Vishwas says, “Father, can you please talk about the physical body, it’s limitations, it’s sickness, ailments, and pain; dealing, coping with all of this and not getting into body identification?”

Yes, sure, sure. So, the medicine is the same. The medicine for this is the same medicine as for all other appearances of suffering. And the medicine is: not to believe our mental interpretation. So, a pain will arise; there is no body which is without pain. In fact in every body, to some degree, there is always some pain. It’s only that our attention doesn’t go to it because it is below a certain threshold. But even if you were to scan right now, you would find that there are some slight areas of pain; and for some there might be areas which are more. But there is always something in the body. But the suffering comes only when we believe a thought about it. When we say ‘Oh, why does this always happen to me?’ or ‘I’m losing my health now. I’m starting to grow old now’…, then this thought can cause the suffering actually. To just be with the pure presence of pain actually is not too bad.

I know some of you will feel that it’s not a compassionate thing to say, but try it out for your own self. To be in the pure presence of pain is not too bad; but to believe these thoughts about the pain…, that causes real suffering. When we stop fighting the pain, where there is openness and acceptance of the pain, then scientifically it has been proven that the experience is much more bearable. So also, pain is telling us something; that something needs our attention. And if it needs some treatment from a doctor, or needs some application of some medicine, then all of that is fine as a very practical interpretation. But the instant we start giving it some belief that ‘it affects me’ in some real way, that is when we fall into the ego trap. And the minute we start fighting with our pain and resisting our pain, denying it’s existence, then the pain seems to be even more loudly shouting for our attention. So pain actually just seems to be a call for our attention. And when we are open with giving it our attention, it seems not too unbearable.

Vishwas says, “When there is pain or sickness, the pain seems to go there completely and exaggerate what actually is.”

The attention can go there completely. And if you’re completely open to keeping the attention there, then it will not even bother you. The exaggeration comes only from a thought. And the exaggeration only comes when we feel that our attention should not go with attention. We can all try this even right now. If we are open to our feelings and we’re fearless about it, and we’re happy to be in the presence of this pain, you will find that it does not want to hold onto your attention also for too long. But if you make it a fight for your attention then it seems to scream louder and louder to get out.

Ananya says, “Namaste, Father. Ananya here. Are even insights phenomenal in a way?”

All that appears, apart from the pure awareness itself, is phenomenal in a way. We have gone to the extent of calling even the birth of Consciousness, the sense ‘I am’ or Beingness, phenomenal. Therefore all that appears from this Consciousness must also be phenomenal. Can there be any insight without Consciousness? Can there be any insight without Being? Therefore it must be also a part of Consciousness itself, and hence phenomenal.

Rashmi says, “Yes.”
Atma says, “Yes, yes. With you, Father.”

And there are a lot of “Yes” so I must have asked whether all of you are with me, and you say that you are. Very good.

Rashmi says, “Let the seeker burn in this fire of satsang.”

And we don’t even need to make it so dramatic. We’re completely unconcerned now with what happens to the seeker identity. Why would we be concerned with something that was only imagined? But I get the sense of what you’re saying, and am very happy that you would throw even the seeker identity into the fire of satsang. Yes. Very good.

Shanti says, “Yes. Not really too interested in the person. Leaving this person for you to absorb into your holy Being. I am free.”  Very good, very good.

Rashmi says, “Yes, it felt like a trap. All this seeking, take it all away.”

The desire for freedom also starts off as a personal endeavor. Like we said before, although it starts off as a personal endeavor just like everything else, this desire for freedom, if it is full of integrity and earnestness, then will lead you to the dissolution of the personal self. Good.

Shanti says, “I am silent now.”  Okay.

Ustreamer172 says, “This life is yours.”  Thank you so much. Good.

Ajnani says, “Anantaji, it is so clearly seen that the seeker is like a hamster that has been on a treadmill for hundreds of years; and now the treadmill has stopped, but the hamster is still running.” [Laughs]. And she says, “This seeking energy cannot find; it is just the mind’s attempt to say ‘I got it’. It is a subtle play here, and has nothing to do with what is true.”   Very good. “Felt to expose this and put it in the fire.”  Very good.

So, because the desire for freedom starts off as a personal endeavor, there are many times where the person will come and say ‘I got it’. Because it was a personal journey; just like there could be a personal endeavor to get a degree in college, or it could be a personal endeavor to make some money, or could be a personal endeavor to find a partner in life. And when all these milestones have been reached we say ‘I did it’ or ‘I got it’. In the same way, when the person feels that there is some understanding, it wants to jump up and say ‘I got it’. And when the Master says ‘This one, this ‘I’ must also go’ then there is sometimes even a sense of anger, frustration, irritation. That is called the spiritual ego. Where there is more attachment to the sense that ‘We have achieved something’ than to trust the Master’s voice and to say that ‘Even this one who is claiming to be awake now, even this one must go’. That is true faith. And if grace has blessed you with this true faith, then this one who is screaming up and down saying ‘I got it’ or ‘I didn’t get it’…, this one will also very quickly leave now.

So much love.

Louise asks, ah, very good question, she says, “Father, what is the integrity if the person is the source of the seeker? What constitutes the integrity?”

This is an excellent question. And this is something that I also grappled with when I used to read Maharaj [Nisargadatta] talking about integrity and earnestness. So just like surrender, just giving up the personal idea, just like the concept of letting go or self-inquiry, as long as there’s some identification with a person here then all these concepts are for that. If there is no identification with the person, then all these words can be heard just like music, actually. So, satsang is for those who start off a persons, and eventually dissolve into the Being. And to those who are fully dissolved into Being, there is nothing that needs to be said. But as long as there is a personal idea, it is my job to say: Be honest to your Self. Be truthful to your Self. Continue to surrender, continue to let go, continue to inquire. So based on whatever is coming up for the questioner, an answer will come. So just in the same way that it is to be said that: Don’t deny. Be truthful in your search. Expose what is happening. Shine your light on everything that is showing up. And if you are blessed with this integrity and earnestness, then you will find that ‘you’ never was anyway. And if you already understood that ‘you never were’ then we’re just sharing in this beautiful communion of Presence itself. Then no words are for you. No instruction then applies.

Rashmi says, “At your holy feet, Father.”  Very good.

Zoe says, “Dearest Father, I feel so very free and joyful and peaceful in my life. But there is also, at the same time, an energy that tries to control the direction of my life, even though I know this is nonsense.”

So, she says ‘I’m so happy and free and joyful in my life but there seems to be an energy that wants to take control of this life’. So let this energy come, let it play whatever it wants to play; you do not say that it should or should not come. But just don’t identify yourself to be this energy. It is the ego itself. It is the ego itself which is the energy which presumes to have some control over the direction of life. But it is in our satsang inquiry we see that no individual has any control of any sort.

Anything can show up in the body, in the thoughts, in the emotions; anything can show up at any point in time. In the external world, there is no control at all. But, yes, there is this energetic entity called the ego which seems to control our life and bring it in a certain [niche]. And as long as you don’t say that ‘I am that energy’ it will not last. It needs to rely on you for it’s life; you do not rely on it for your life.

Zoe says, “Placing this at your feet.”  Very good.

Ajnani says, “Yes, Father, this spiritual ego is yours now, and Moojiji’s. All is Moojiji’s.”   Very good. Thank you.

Ustreamer749 says, “There is great opening here.”  Thank you. Very good. Good.

The days seem to be getting shorter in Bangalore; that’s why it seems to be getting darker a little earlier, so maybe it’s time I put on the light. Just give me a minute. This is the nice way to create the halo; the halo light, no? Why spend hundreds of years doing sadhana? You can just do it with this. [Laughs]. I’m not sure where these jokes are coming from.

Ustreamer67 says, “A sense of self-importance for feeling freer from disturbing thoughts. I want to expose it and give everything to you.”

So, there’s ‘a sense of self-importance for feeling freer from disturbing thoughts’. Yes. So there’s a sense that something has been achieved. ‘I’m free now from disturbing thoughts’. The sense of ‘I got it’. You know, it’s very subtle. They are all saying the same thing, the sense that, a feeling, ‘I got it’. ‘I’m special, I’m important, because I got it’. ‘I want to expose it and give everything to you’. Very good. Your sharing it in satsang itself is exposing it and giving it. Very good.

Soham says, “Now you have a halo, Father.”  [Laughs]. Exactly what I’ve said.

Ustreamer807 says, “It’s dark in Mumbai also because of heavy rain.”

Ajnani says, “I love you so much, Anantaji.”  I love you, too, dearest one. Very good.

Zoe says, “My screen cut out for your reply to me, and then I tried to control that, and then I laughed.”

Oooh, thank you, very good. This always happens, this is always happening; just that person’s screen seems to cut out when the reply is coming. Maybe that is the reply. That is life’s reply to us. Very good. She says, “Control? What are you talking about? Here, gone.”

Zoe says, “So much gratitude and love.”   Same/same. Very good.

And Cornelia says, “So much love.”   Thank you, thank you.

Rashmi says, “Exposing comparison and judgment in this person.”  Very good.

Shanti says, “Love for all the beautiful Presence here. Om Shanti.”  Very good.

Louise says, “Maybe some integrity? I feel so much shame at being this way, at not seeing my truth, at going over and over the same stupid things.”

‘I feel so much shame at being this way, at not seeing my truth, at going over and over the same stupid things’.

This ‘I’ does not exist. The ‘I’ that is feeling all of this just does not exist. You are watching all of this play out. You can look and check in this very moment that this is true, that this ‘I’ that is saying all of this just does not exist; it never did. It is just that some thoughts are appearing, and some energies are appearing which are pulling this body / mind in this direction. But you are still completely unmoved. You are the pure witnessing itself. And if you say that ‘This ‘I’ does exist’…, can you tell me where it is?

So I say: I do not believe that this ‘I’ exists without some evidence. Can you show me some evidence of it’s existence? Are you also believing in the existence of this ‘I’ without enough evidence; without ANY evidence actually? Because even one attribute which is real you cannot give of this ‘I’.

It’s very good that you expose in this way. So this false ‘I’ idea can now be snatched away from you. When I say that you expose, it means that you are putting your head in the chopping block; you’re putting your head in the chopping block. And when you put your head on the chopping block, then accept the chop that comes. Don’t be scared to get your head chopped off here. So, all that our head is saying is complete rubbish. Throw it all away; throw it away this instant. And once all this head stuff, mind stuff, is thrown away, then tell me what remains.

Brenda says, “Thank you for your guidance, Ananta. So grateful.”  Very good.

Ustreamer967 says, “The thought that ‘I am always teaching spiritually in all my relationships’ keeps coming back. Please take it with you.”  Yes.

They say that ‘The thought that ‘I am always teaching spiritually in all my relationships’. No? Somewhere there’s a smelling of some arrogance there which they are feeling, therefore they are saying ‘Take it with you. I do not want this distance between myself and my relationships; do not want this sense of self-importance that I am a teacher’. Very good. It’s very good to have this courage to expose.

Ustreamer769 says, “Thank you, Ananta. It can’t be easy to be on your toes and in meetings all day and then speaking some more to all of us, and blessing us with your Presence. Thank you so, so, so, so very much. Ever grateful.”

Thank you so very much for your Presence as well. This is complete joy, complete joy for me. Being in your wonderful Presence is complete joy. Thank you so much.

Rashmi says, “Thank you so much for being with all of us even after a hard day, I’m presuming. Much love to you and all here now.”

Thank you so much. I know it’s not easy for you also with two young kids to be in satsang every day. I’m very happy that you’re able to join.

Atma says, “So much love, dearest Father.”  So much love to you, my dear.

There will come a point in all our lives where we will be face to face with the fact that all the suffering that has ever come has been because of this person that we believed ourself to be. We will be confronted by this fact. And then this person will be asked to leave. This person will be given no interest, and will be asked to leave. You will say that ‘I am only interested in hearing the voice of my Master. There is no interest in hearing the ego’s voice any more’. And whether you call it choice or whether you call it grace actually makes no difference. But once this ego’s voice has been let go of, then you will find that ‘I am always the Self. I am the Self alone. I have always been That’.

So the so-called spiritual journey ends at the point with the realization that it never started anyway; that there was no journey; I have always only been the Self. And in this apparent contradiction is the life of a seeker. Starts off as a journey, and ends with the realization that no journey was required.

Thank you all very much for joining us in satsang today.

[Namaste]. Moojiji ki Jai !

[Blows kiss. Waves].

Sangha: Moojiji ki Jai !  Anantaji ki Jai !  Thank you. Love you.

Let’s bring our attention to our breath.

Gently and playfully, with no sense of effort or force, let’s keep our attention with the flow of breath.

As we breathe in, keep the attention on the breath going inside; and as we breathe out, notice the breath flowing outwards.

In this moment you have no other purpose but to breathe.

All that you are is a pump for this breath, breathing in and breathing out. Just witness the flow of breathing.

Now drop all effort even for breathing. Just witness how breathing is happening on it’s own.

Just witness the flow of your breath.

Stay as this witness through all that comes and goes.

The witness of your breath is the witness of your life, it is not a separate witnessing.

Be completely open to all that is arising, and just be the witness.

In the same way as the flow of breath is witnessed, all can be witnessed.

Be the witness of all the sounds around you.

With complete openness, don’t resist any sound which is appearing.

Don’t interpret it as good or bad, just let sounds come and sounds go, just be the witness of it coming and going.

Have the same sense of openness now to all thoughts that are coming, the same sense of openness.

So all thoughts, let them come and go.

Just be the witness of all of them.

Don’t judge any thought. Let them all come and go.

All thoughts of boredom, of specialness, of anger, of worry; they are all welcome, they can come and they can go. Don’t resist any thought.

Don’t resist anything at all. Become the witness of all your emotions.

If the other energies are coming now for your attention, like sounds, like thoughts, then let them come as well.

Be completely open.

Be the witness of all your emotions.

Let them arise and let them fade.

All emotions are welcome, we are completely open space. In this open space all is welcome.

Be open to all imagination. All that you see is ultimately your own imagination.

You are the space in which all visuals can come, all images are allowed.

No judgement about what the images are, let them all come and go.

Become aware of your Being.

Become aware of the feeling that I Am, the Presence that I Am.

Continue to be completely open.

All thoughts, all sounds, all emotions; continue to be completely open to all of them.

Just gently and playfully bring your attention to the sense I am, the feeling I am.

Now, let your attention completely free.

Give it complete freedom.

Have no control even on your attention.

Let it go wherever it wants.

And be completely open to whatever it goes to.

No judgement, no interpretation of wherever attention might be going.

And while keeping this attention free, you may open your eyes if they are closed, and continue to be in this way. Continue to be completely open, and let your attention go wherever it likes.

Om Shanti, Shanti, Shanti

The illusion of control is another strong leg on which the concept of the ego rests. As long as there is a sense of some personal control over something, or the sense that ‘I need to have some control over something’ then this leads to strengthening of the false belief of the individual ‘I’. But if you were to really look, we would find that there is nothing at all that is within a person’s control. A person is completely powerless; and it had to be like this. It had to be like this because the person does not exist at all. So for something to exist it must have some reality about it. If we say that something exists we must mean that it is real in some sense. But the ego, the person idea, is just an idea. And most of humanity seems to have bought into this idea.

So what is it that you have control over? What is it that the person has any control over? Do we really control the outer world? Any thing can happen here. Do we have any control over what happens with the body? It all moves on its own. And we have definitely no control over which thought will appear next. We also don’t know which emotion is going to come up next. Therefore at what level do we feel we have any sense of real control? And if the person has no control over anything at all, then what power does it have? It’s all a big pretense, it’s one big pretending. Do you see this? Even the feeling that ‘I am moving my hand’ comes after consciousness decided to move my hand. The feeling that ‘This is my thought’ comes after the thought has already appeared. The feeling that ‘I am experiencing these emotions’ is post facto after the emotions are already here. So it’s all just one big pretending.

So we have seen at a phenomenal level; all control is a pretense. And at a non-phenomenal level, from the point of Awareness, it is a constant. From the point of Awareness, can it go away, can it be stopped, or can it be regulated in any way? It cannot be. And in the waking state, can we change the Beingness in any way? Can we stop being, or can we ‘less be’ or can we ‘more be’? It sounds funny to say. So if in the phenomenal world there is no control, and in the stage of Consciousness and Awareness definitely there is no personal control, then what is it that we are doing anyway? Is it possible at all to be the doer of any action? Do we see this? That all sense of control is a complete pretense, is a complete myth. On seeing this you can relax completely. On dropping this idea of control there is a relaxation emerging with your own Being; and when we drop this control we will see that even attention stops jumping around from place to place. When we stop this running around, when we stop chasing things, we see that all is already here; all is already here. Is there anything missing right now? Very good.

Q: “Yes, clearly seen.”

Another Q: “Yes, Father, I am finally relaxing completely. Yes, it is coming from my own Being. I feel it and see it. Relaxing; yes, I got it. Really inside me it is understood.”

Very good. And dropping this sense of control does not mean that no action will now happen through the body. All will continue to happen from a state of complete neutrality. Consciousness continues to use the body as it sees fit.

Another Q: “There is the idea that I have to feel in a special way, that I have no control, that I am somehow attached to.”

No. It is not a special idea. It is just a very simple seeing that in the external world anything can happen. Anything can happen this very instant. There can be an earthquake right now, and I can be swallowed into it this very instant in the external world. In the body, anything can show up in any instant. Right now anything can show up. Any thought can show up. When we go inside, we see that any thought can show up in the next instant. And also any emotion, any memory, any imagination. All these are completely free to appear in whatever way Consciousness sees fit. Therefore what is it that I have any control over?

So even this was looking in the phenomenal states. If you were to go inside towards reality, you will see that Beingness continues irrespective of whether we decide to be Being or not. We cannot stop Being in the waking state; and the pure Awareness, the pure watching, the seeing continues in all states. I cannot turn myself off. Even Awareness can not stop being Awareness. So it’s as simple as seeing this. But there is nothing special in this; don’t have an expectation that it will bring about a special state, except a simple relaxation, a dropping of all concepts of control.

Another Q: “Many actions are still happening, but as you say, it comes from a state of neutrality.”

Yes. We do not even have the control over becoming lazy or becoming a vegetable. These fears will come that ‘If I lose the control, then will I become just like a vegetable sitting in bed all day?’ Even this control we do not have.

Another Q: “Namaste, Ananta. If all this is seen, but yet the sense of feeling bogged down shows up, a move away from the silence within, what is that due to? I do know I have no control over anything.”

She says ‘If all this is seen but yet the sense of feeling bogged down shows up’. Bogged down means what? There is a sense of lack of energy. There is a sense of a lack of enthusiasm, maybe even a sense of a lack of joy and peace. So this was what is appearing, and it seems like ‘There’s a moving away from the silence within. What is that due to?  I do know I have no control over anything’. Good. So if there is this emergence of all of these or the lack of the emergence of peace and enthusiasm, then what you could say is, is there something which has been kept inside, has been pushed inside for a long time? And once we are now leaving the sense of control, leaving the repressing, some of this pent up stuff is starting to appear now, is starting to get released.

As long as we don’t give the identification that ‘This is my state’, as long as we don’t give an appearance ‘my state’ then it cannot last. But the instant we say that ‘This is what I am going through’ then we start running about for solutions also ‘that I am going through’. But what are you in all of this? Is the watching of all of this in any way touched by whatever is appearing? Is Awareness impacted by the lack of enthusiasm, or the lack of life energy, or the vital force? The watching is completely unconcerned by it.

So don’t attempt to diagnose why this is happening, because that conveys that there is a sense of interest in what is happening. In this way we give reality to the unreal. If you completely let go, then you will find that if the body needs to be rested it will come to a point of rest on its own. If some exercise needs to happen, then it will come to a point of exercise on its own. Just refuse to pick up the person idea and you will see that all will flow very beautifully on its own. Also because of the kind of job that you have, which is like a healer job, it can be that sometimes life energies seem to get diminished. Therefore all healers must take the time to just be with themselves. If the body is an instrument that is being used to share this healing, then don’t burn out this instrument. And you will find that when you let go of all concepts of control, then the body will find its own balance. Don’t listen to the ideas of others and don’t listen to the idea of your mind, just let life unfold on its own. Very good.

Namaste everyone, a very warm welcome to satsang today. Moojiji ki Jai.

Thank you, thank you for joining in. And if you are joining us for the first time, the way to ask questions is through the chat window. And if someone can confirm that the audio and video is working fine. Namaste. Okay, audio and video are good, that’s good.

The illusion of control is another strong leg on which the concept of the ego rests. As long as there is a sense of some personal control over something, or the sense that ‘I need to have some control over something’ then this leads to strengthening of the false belief of the individual ‘I’. But if you were to really look, we would find that there is nothing at all that is within a person’s control. A person is completely powerless; and it had to be like this. It had to be like this because the person does not exist at all. So for something to exist it must have some reality about it. If we say that something exists we must mean that it is real in some sense. But the ego, the person idea, is just an idea. And most of humanity seems to have bought into this idea.

So what is it that you have control over? What is it that the person has any control over? Do we really control the outer world? Any thing can happen here. Do we have any control over what happens with the body? It all moves on it’s own. And we have definitely no control over which thought will appear next. We also don’t know which emotion is going to come up next. Therefore at what level do we feel we have any sense of real control? And if the person has no control over anything at all, then what power does it have? It’s all a big pretense, it’s one big pretending. Do you see this? Even the feeling that ‘I am moving my hand’ comes after consciousness decided to move my hand. The feeling that ‘This is my thought’ comes after the thought has already appeared. The feeling that ‘I am experiencing these emotions’ is post facto after the emotions are already here. So it’s all just one big pretending.

So we have seen at a phenomenal level; all control is a pretense. And at a non-phenomenal level, from the point of Awareness, it is a constant. From the point of Awareness, can it go away, can it be stopped, or can it be regulated in any way? It cannot be. And in the waking state, can we change the Beingness in any way? Can we stop being, or can we ‘less be’ or can we ‘more be’? It sounds funny to say. So if in the phenomenal world there is no control, and in the stage of Consciousness and Awareness definitely there is no personal control, then what is it that we are doing anyway? Is it possible at all to be the doer of any action? Do we see this? That all sense of control is a complete pretense, is a complete myth. On seeing this you can relax completely. On dropping this idea of control there is a relaxation emerging with your own Being; and when we drop this control we will see that even attention stops jumping around from place to place. When we stop this running around, when we stop chasing things, we see that all is already here; all is already here. Is there anything missing right now? Very good.

Dee says, “Yes, clearly seen.”

Atma says, “Yes, Father, I am finally relaxing completely. Yes, it is coming from my own Being. I feel it and see it. Relaxing; yes, I got it. Really inside me it is understood.”

Very good. And dropping this sense of control does not mean that no action will now happen through the body. All will continue to happen from a state of complete neutrality. Consciousness continues to use the body as it sees fit.

Wiebeke says that, “There is the idea that I have to feel in a special way, that I have no control, that I am somehow attached to.”

No. It is not a special idea. It is just a very simple seeing that in the external world anything can happen. Anything can happen this very instant. There can be an earthquake right now, and I can be swallowed into it this very instant in the external world. In the body, anything can show up in any instant. Right now anything can show up. Any thought can show up. When we go inside, we see that any thought can show up in the next instant. And also any emotion, any memory, any imagination. All these are completely free to appear in whatever way Consciousness sees fit. Therefore what is it that I have any control over?

So even this was looking in the phenomenal states. If you were to go inside towards reality, you will see that Beingness continues irrespective of whether we decide to be Being or not. We cannot stop Being in the waking state; and the pure Awareness, the pure watching, the seeing continues in all states. I cannot turn myself off. Even Awareness can not stop being Awareness. So it’s as simple as seeing this. But there is nothing special in this; don’t have an expectation that it will bring about a special state, except a simple relaxation, a dropping of all concepts of control.

Atma says, “Many actions are still happening, but as you say, it comes from a state of neutrality.”

Yes. We do not even have the control over becoming lazy or becoming a vegetable. These fears will come that ‘If I lose the control, then will I become just like a vegetable sitting in bed all day?’ Even this control we do not have.

Ganga says, “Namaste, Ananta. If all this is seen, but yet the sense of feeling bogged down shows up, a move away from the silence within, what is that due to? I do know I have no control over anything.”

She says ‘If all this is seen but yet the sense of feeling bogged down shows up’. Bogged down means what? There is a sense of lack of energy. There is a sense of a lack of enthusiasm, maybe even a sense of a lack of joy and peace. So this was what is appearing, and it seems like ‘There’s a moving away from the silence within. What is that due to?  I do know I have no control over anything’. Good. So if there is this emergence of all of these or the lack of the emergence of peace and enthusiasm, then what you could say is, is there something which has been kept inside, has been pushed inside for a long time? And once we are now leaving the sense of control, leaving the repressing, some of this pent up stuff is starting to appear now, is starting to get released. And as long as we don’t give the identification that ‘This is my state’, as long as we don’t give an appearance ‘my state’ then it cannot last. But the instant we say that ‘This is what I am going through’ then we start running about for solutions also ‘that I am going through’. But what are you in all of this? Is the watching of all of this in any way touched by whatever is appearing? Is Awareness impacted by the lack of enthusiasm, or the lack of life energy, or the vital force? The watching is completely unconcerned by it.

So don’t attempt to diagnose why this is happening, because that conveys that there is a sense of interest in what is happening. In this way we give reality to the unreal. If you completely let go, then you will find that if the body needs to be rested it will come to a point of rest on it’s own. If some exercise needs to happen, then it will come to a point of exercise on it’s own. Just refuse to pick up the person idea and you will see that all will flow very beautifully on it’s own. Also because of the kind of job that you have, which is like a healer job, it can be that sometimes life energies seem to get diminished. Therefore all healers must take the time to just be with themselves. If the body is an instrument that is being used to share this healing, then don’t burn out this instrument. And you will find that when you let go of all concepts of control, then the body will find it’s own balance. Don’t listen to the ideas of others and don’t listen to the idea of your mind, just let life unfold on it’s own. Very good.

Atma says, “For many months I felt lazy, but now it seems to have left me, that state; but I am not so active as I was before. Before all was led by mind, now all is happening by itself, there is harmony.”

Yes. So there can be lots and lots of activity, or there could be lots of inactivity. As long as we are not picking up the person idea, it is all fine.

Ustreamer414 says, “A kind of cloud of denial of what is being said, out of habit. Glad to see it.”

‘A kind of cloud of denial of what is being said, out of habit’. So it is appearing for you, this cloud of denial. As long as you just stay as the witnessing itself, then this cloud will come and go.

Atma says, “Existence has it’s own timing, I know it now.”   Yes.

Stacy says, “Everything drops when I am in your Presence. So much peace in your Presence. A sense of pleasure is felt with this state of peace. So this is okay, as long as it is only watched and not identified with?”

Of course. The sense of peace, the sense of joy, the sense of love will constantly be in service to you. In the presence of your own Master in your own heart, these forces will constantly be in service to you. As long as there is no expectation and, like you said, no identification, it is all fine. The fact that, it will become a fact that this will be no surprise. The presence of so much love, the presence of so much peace and joy will just be a very normal state of being, with no concern about whether it is there or not. Very good.

Ganga says, “Thank you so much for this pointing, Ananta.”

Very good. Just remember that life is in service to us, we are not in service to life. Life is the movie for our entertainment, it is not something that we are meant to bribe or control in any way. Just step back and be with your own Being; don’t leave this position and let everything unfold from there.

Ganga says, “I am in Rishikesh taking a break, resting and being in satsang with you.”

Yes, very good. ‘In Rishikesh taking a break, resting and being in satsang with you’. Very good.

Wiebeke says, “A lot of tension is coming up in the body, it is seen; experiencing takes place and a lot of joy.”

Very good. Let all that is coming…, let it all come and go. You don’t say that ‘It is mine’. It is very good.

Stacy says, “Thank you.”  Thank you.

[Silence].

Observe how the mind reacts when there seems to be an unexpected silence. Whatever the thoughts are saying, it is never about you; a thought is never about you. Any thought is never about me. It is only about the imagined one. And Self-realization only means that we drop the idea of being this imagined one.

Ganga says, “Ananta, if I could request you to do a guided meditation for a few minutes, if you feel like?”

Definitely we will do one.  Let’s bring our attention to our breath.

Gently and playfully, with no sense of effort or force, let’s keep our attention with the flow of breath. As we breathe in, keep the attention on the breath going inside; and as we breathe out, notice the breath flowing outwards.

In this moment you have no other purpose but to breathe.

All that you are is a pump for this breath, breathing in and breathing out. Just witness the flow of breathing.

Now drop all effort even for breathing. Just witness how breathing is happening on it’s own.

Just witness the flow of your breath.

Stay as this witness through all that comes and goes. The witness of your breath is the witness of your life, it is not a separate witnessing. Be completely open to all that is arising, and just be the witness.

In the same way as the flow of breath is witnessed, all can be witnessed.

Be the witness of all the sounds around you. With complete openness, don’t resist any sound which is appearing. Don’t interpret it as good or bad, just let sounds come and sounds go, just be the witness of it coming and going.

Have the same sense of openness now to all thoughts that are coming, the same sense of openness. So all thoughts, let them come and go. Just be the witness of all of them.

Don’t judge any thought. Let them all come and go.

All thoughts of boredom, of specialness, of anger, of worry; they are all welcome, they can come and they can go. Don’t resist any thought.

Don’t resist anything at all. Become the witness of all your emotions. And if the other energies are coming now for your attention, like sounds, like thoughts, then let them come as well. Be completely open. Be the witness of all your emotions. Let them arise and let them fade.

All emotions are welcome, we are completely open space. In this open space all is welcome.

Be open to all imagination. All that you see is ultimately your own imagination. You are the space in which all visuals can come, all images are allowed; no judgement about what the images are, let them all come and go.

Become aware of your Being. Become aware of the feeling that I am. The presence that I am.

Continue to be completely open. All thoughts, all sounds, all emotions; continue to be completely open to all of them. Just gently and playfully bring your attention to the sense I am, the feeling I am.

Now, let your attention completely free. Give it complete freedom. Have no control even on your attention. Let it go wherever it wants. And be completely open to whatever it goes to. No judgement, no interpretation of wherever attention might be going.

And while keeping this attention free, you may open your eyes if they are closed, and continue to be in this way. Continue to be completely open, and let your attention go wherever it likes.

Om Shanti, Shanti, Shanti

Cornelia said, before the meditation she said, “All questions disappear before taking shape.”

Very good.

And then Atma said, “Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.”  Thank you.

Cornelia says, “Thank you.”

Ustreamer 414 says, “It feels as if I need hours of this practise.”

So what I am saying is just be open like this, and let attention go anywhere it likes. This openness will become your natural state. So not just hours; this will become your natural state. This is actually already our natural state.

Om Shanti, Prema. Thank you, Amaya. Ginger, thank you. Stacy, thank you. Dee, thank you. Amrit, thank you.

Someone says, “Thank you.”  Thank you, thank you. Thank you all so much. Very good.

Thank you all so very much for joining us in satsang today.

Stay with this sense of openness. Don’t bother about any interpretation of anything. Let your attention also go completely free. Relinquish all sense of control over anything at all.

Thank you once again. Moojiji ki Jai ! So much love to all of you.

Thank you, Amrita. Thank you, Cornelia. Thank you, Selebraham. Thank you, Amrita.

Thank you, Atma.

Sangha: Moojiji ki Jai ! Anantaji ki Jai ! Thank you, Love you.

Namaste everyone. A very warm welcome to satsang today. Moojiji ki Jai. [Namaste] Namaste everyone. Welcome, welcome. [Looking into the camera for several minutes with so much love]

One common misconception is that Being resides in the body. And an even stronger misconception could be that the Self itself resides in this body. There is a lot of specialness associated with this body. The body is not seen sometimes to be just a part of the appearance itself. That’s why we confuse here to mean spatially here. So, when we say ‘what is here now’ we are not speaking about a spatial location. Not about a location in space. What we are speaking of is prior to space and prior to time.

Let’s catch up on the chat.

Shanti said, “Father, right off the bat I want to expose there is neediness and insecurity here. Seems to be getting stronger with satsang and involvement with sangha. Sometimes there is a great urge to escape.”

‘There is neediness and insecurity here which seems to be getting stronger with satsang and involvement with sangha.’ It could also be that in the light of satsang, in the light of satsang, these things cannot stay hidden now. They come up more and more, and this feeling of being uncomfortable. Because these feelings are so clear now, and they’re being released from their denial. This happens more and more in satsang. And this can feel like you just want to escape this situation. That is the mind’s plan anyway. Because it knows that all of this pent up stuff is coming up and this is a good opportunity for the mind to say ‘This is getting too difficult’ or ‘This is getting too much. Good chance to escape now.’

So very simply now you can look at it and say there is a neediness, you have already said ‘There is a neediness and insecurity present here’. But, are they yours? What makes them yours? So there could be a pen present here, but what makes it mine? If I call it mine does it become mine? Anything can arise in our lives. All appearances can come, but without our identification with them, do they have the potential to cause any suffering?

Om says, “Father, when you look into the screen everything stops.”

Prema says, “So much love and peace when you look through the screen.”

Shanti says, “Leaving this for the fire and staying open for all the grace of satsang and your great love to deal with this as is best.”     Very good.

As my Master says, ‘Do not expect satsang to be only chocolate flavored moments’. That would be only half the job. Hm? I would not even say half the job. If satsang was only chocolate flavored moments, and all this pent up stuff did not get released and vomited out, then it would not be enough. Like I said, and you spoke about this earlier, ‘not one blade of grass you will be allowed to carry out of satsang’. Not even a blade of grass. All your insecurities, all the neediness will come out here stronger and stronger and will get released. And it is beautiful that it can happen in this way.

So do you have it? Can we adopt this approach to say that ‘I am completely open’ like you said? ‘Completely open to anything that arises. I do not have a preference for what is arising even.’ Can we have this approach? Then how long will this neediness and insecurity last? And we can also say that all that is arising now is the Master’s problem now. It has nothing to do with you. All thoughts will try to convince you that it’s about you. None of this is about you. This ‘you’ does not exist at all.

Rashmi says, “Lots of exposing here, too, dear Ananta. Resistance and lots more involvement with the mind surrendering. Lots of fear coming up.”

So for all of you, can you give me your heads? What are you without your head? What are you without your thoughts? Give me all your heads.

Atma says, “Mind’s plan.”     Yes.​

Rashmi says, “Something makes sure that I make it to satsang though.”     Yes. That’s very good.

Amaya says, “Thank you for what you said about ‘You may realize you are not the doer but you are also not the experiencer’.”      Yes.    “Good to be seeing this; looking at this.”     Very good.

Shanti says, “I’m TOTALLY [in capitals] I’m TOTALLY open.”     Yes. Very good.    “Giving up trying to improve.”    Very good.

Atma says, “Recently, even the strongest resistance here, that seems to be really hard to be melted, is melting by the grace of Guru and satsang.”

Ian says, “Ha ha. The ‘headless way’.       Yes.

Atma says, “So amazing. I’m just watching it.”    Yes. Everything will be dissolved in the fire of satsang. This is completely true.

Amaya says, “Surrendering all to you.”  Yes. Thank you.

Shanti says, “Thank you, Master. Take my head and leave my heart.”

Rashmi says, “Please take them away, all our heads.”     Yes.

Atma says, “I am allowing it to happen. Actually it is always about me.”

Rashmi says, “Some feeling of not being worthy enough to be free.”

[Laughing] Even without the head?

Sindhu says, “Head handed over.”    Very good.

Atma says, “Thank you.”    Very Welcome.

Om says, “All yours, Father. With so much love you ask.”      Yes.  [Laughing]

Rashmi say, “Only your grace, dear.”

Ananya says, “No matter what and how anything appears to be real, your eternal Presence has always radiated within.”    Very good.     “Nothing else I had asked for, Father. Love you so much.”      Love you too.

Rashmi says, “No. Not without the head.”    Yes. [Laughing]

Ananya says, “Handed over.”    Very good.

Jyotika says, “Yes, it’s all yours Father.”    Very good.

Shanti says, “My heart is also yours. Leave nothing here.”    Very good.

Ustreamer364 says, “Beloved Ananta, please talk something about the heart. Not the pump but still the heart.”    Yes, yes.

So when the head is handed over what remains then? And most confuse heart to mean an emotional center. A center where all the emotions are coming from. If you speak to most people in the world they’ll say that ‘I go with my heart’. And they’re usually referring to: they go where the emotions guide them.

The Heart we are referring to is your own true Being itself. And what we also say is that the Heart also means the voice or the intuition, which is the voice of this pure Beingness itself. So this pure presence ‘I Am’, which for many in the physical realm seems to vibrate starting from the heart center, (and that is where maybe it started being called the ‘heart’), this pure presence ‘I Am’ is the heart itself.

Om says, “My Being sings ‘It is done. Hallelujah! It is done. Om namah, namah Shivaya. Om namah Shivaya’.”      [Father reads with a singing lilt in his voice and laughs] Yes. It is done.

Atma says, “Hallelujah!”

Jyotika says, “You are always in my heart. Never shall we be apart.”     I am your own Heart. It is the very same Presence which speaks here.      “

“So beautiful,” Atma says.

It is this simple. Just give me your heads.

Zoe says, “Father, can you explain what ‘Om Namah Shivaya’ means?”

Yes. ‘Om Namah Shivaya’ means: ‘Om’ is the primordial vibration which means the sense ‘I am’, Being, Consciousness itself. So to say ‘Om’ before the start of anything is a very auspicious way to start. And ‘Namah Shivaya’ means: my head is bowed down to this pure Awareness itself. Shiva has many representations but the way I would look at Shiva is a representation of pure Awareness itself, the Absolute. In Hinduism, Shiva is associated with the force of Being, the Destroyer. In the holy trinity of Brama, Vishnu and Shiva; Brama is the Creator, Vishnu is the Preserver and Shiva is the Destroyer or Rejuvenator. But here when we say Shivaya we are mostly referring to Shiva as the Absolute.

So what we say when we say ‘Om Namah Shivaya’ is: ‘Om. I bow down to this Absolute, Shiva.’ Om Namah Shivaya.

Wiebke says, “Please, Ananta, tell me…, I am experiencing deep depressive emotions but there is total joy in this. So, what is this experiencing of this joy?

Because you’re ceasing to identify as the one individual who is experiencing this depression. When we identify, we resist. We confine ourselves to believing that ‘I am this one person who is feeling this depressive emotion’. Now, because your identification is dissolving, you are becoming open, and this opening is accompanied by a feeling of pure joy. Hm? It’s a more stable sense of joy. It is not necessarily a very effervescent, jumping around sort of joy. There’s more stability, a more stable sort of joy which is in the back drop of even…, though these depressive emotions are getting released; but they are in the context of this stable joy because you have ceased to identify with the imagined one who was saying that ‘this is my depression’. Now in all truth, you cannot say really that this is your depression. It is only that these feelings seem to come up. But you know that this does not touch you. The feeling does not touch you. And because this feeling does not touch you, there is a sense of freedom about it which creates the stable sense of joy in the background.

Atma says, “Yes, you are Father.”

Zoe says, “Was singing this all day.”

Jyoti says, “My heart, I love you.”     I love you too.

Ha, Atma says, “Yes, I don’t have a head for a long time.”

Prema says, “I am your own heart.”    Thank you, thank you.

Shanti says, “Om Namah Shivaya.”

Jyotika, “Much love. Om Namah Shivaya.”

Wiebke says, “Om Namah Shivaya, Om Namah Shivaya.”    Very good.

Shanti says, “Satsang is such pure grace. How could I think to escape? This is where salvation is. Hallelujah! Love satsang and sangha with all my heart.”     Yes.

I get what you’re saying, but just something is coming up to say, which is to say that: don’t bother about what you’re thinking. I know you didn’t mean it that literally, but just for everyone else also, that…, because if you try to change your mind or reform your mind you will find that it is a very frustrating process. No mind will get reformed. It will pretend for a while, after great effort and sadhanas, it will pretend to have improved, it will pretend to have become purer or whatever, but it will not change its spots actually. This leopard does not change its spots. So we are divesting it of all its power. That’s all that we are doing.

Ustreamer364 says, “When suffering is experienced, I try to ask ‘Can this be seen?’ and it can, of course; but somehow there is more magnetism in the suffering, like an addiction to suffering, like an addiction???”

It seems like that. But in suffering, is the opportunity to transcend suffering. It could be any thought. And if it causes suffering then it shows you what you are most identified with in that moment. And to see that ‘I am identified with this identity’. It could be a partner identity. It could be a worker identity. It could be a seeker identity. It could be a teacher identity. It could be a student identity. It could be a parent identity. But it just shows you that you have taken this identity too seriously. You have taken it to be real. And to remove this thorn of suffering, all that is required is to see that it can never be real.

In fact, it is great insight for you to see this. I remember there was a time here where there was this openness which said ‘Yes suffering is showing me all of this. Suffering is showing me what is still identified with’. Therefore, it is a great gift. It is a great blessing. And ‘May nothing be hidden now. May all of it come now. So that I might see what is still identified with here’…, this is a glorious prayer. To be able to say ‘Give all of it to me now. I want to see everything that I am identified with. Don’t keep any of it from me’. And there is complete openness for all our identities to be exposed. Can we have this openness? Can we have this openness?

So the magnetism actually is in the attempt to resist it. We’re so used to trying to counter the suffering. To say, ‘You should not be here. I don’t want you’. That’s where most of the juice comes from actually. The magnetism is from there. But if there’s complete openness, ‘I’m completely open to all that is arising’, then in a while all these identities will fall off on their own. Nothing will touch you actually. Nothing can touch you.

Louise is here. She says, “Namaste, Father. Max and Lou.”      Namaste.

Jyotika says, “Yes, Father.”

Shanti says, “No, thinking is not the matter. My heart’s voice is in the lead now. Listening only to this voice, through your divine guidance. So happy. So much joy.”    Very good.

Ustreamer531 says, “Namaste Swamiji.”       Namaste.

Zoe says, “The phrase ‘it’s the same guy’ has given me such peace today, knocked me straight back into Silence in situations which are strong triggers. Thank you, beloved Father.”

Yes. These situations with strong triggers must be resisted now. Be completely open to all these appearances.

Aradhana says, “Namaste Ananta….joining now. Sorry am late, just glad to be here.”     Welcome.

Amaya says, “Yes to this Openness.”    Very good.

Zoe says, “Yes, yes… let it all come now.”

Ustreamer364 says, “There is identification with realizing the truth without further pain.”

Let’s look at this.  They say ‘There is identification with realizing the truth without further pain’. Which also means that there is identification that the pain is yours. Pain is something which is ever present. In the physical form, pain will always be present. Even now if you were to scan through the body, you will find some areas of little pain. But when we don’t believe our mental interpretation about this pain, then you will see that it cannot become suffering. And you will find that it is very manageable, this pain. In fact, energetically you might find that there is not so much difference between pain and pleasure. Some of you might find this funny, might even resist this. But if you were just to look at pain with complete openness, you will find that it is not so different energetically from pleasure itself.

Just like Mooji takes the example and says that nervousness or fear is not very different from excitement, energetically. It is only that the interpretation of both these is very different; and one we are resisting and the other we are open about. So don’t identify. First, we must transcend this idea of pain also. It cannot be that you carry this fear of pain into the Truth. This one who is fearful of pain, is also ‘the same guy’. The imagined one. Who is worried about pain? Who is fearing this pain? Is it you? Can you show me ‘this’ you? Show me ‘this’ you. Where is it?

Wiebke says, “Thank you so much for your words. There is crying, laughing, crying, laughing.”     Yes. [Laughing] I know that very well. Crying, laughing, crying, laughing.

Atma says, “Thank you beloved. Much love. Yes, the pain is not mine.”

Louise says, “Father…, struggling with when very vicious thoughts and feelings come up and not wanting to express these. But they are expressed anyway. And, there seems to be no space.”

‘Struggling with when very vicious thoughts and feelings come up and not wanting to express these’. Yes, first you must not have a resistance for these thoughts and feelings to come up. Most of our strength is zapped by this resistance actually. Be open to all thoughts and feelings to come. It could be the most vicious thought. It could be the most vicious thought. Don’t resist it from coming. Allow all the vicious thoughts to come, don’t be fearful of them, and allow them to go. Let them be released. If you want, don’t think about it as a coming of these vicious thoughts. Just look at it as a release. It is there somewhere, and it needs to get released, so it is going. And if you have this openness about it, then my feeling is that the actions might not turn out in this way. But if it becomes a struggle between trying to stop these thoughts and not wanting to express, then we find that we are already trapped; and then our expression also becomes this way. So don’t be fearful of the expression also. Look at it as another appearance. If it has to appear in this way, through this body, then don’t be fearful of that also.

But either of these expressions: the expression of the appearance of this thought in this way, or the expression of the appearance of these words from your mouth: Do they really touch you in any way? In what way do they touch you? And if there is suffering coming because of this, then it is good, again, because it is showing you what you are identified with.

All is just this game, you see? All that is appearing is to show you what you are identified with. All which still has some juice, some magnetism, some power for you is only showing you this. And the more you run from it, the more it will try and come in front of you. You cannot escape it. So, I am telling you that you cannot be touched by this. There is no reason to fear, no reason to run. What are you scared to face? We will face it together. Let it be.

Ustreamer364 says, “What a relief. The pain isn’t mine. Nothing is mine, not even ‘me’ is mine.”

Yes. This ‘me’ which we have always believed our self to be is not you. It is only a figment of our imagination. It is only a bunch of ideas.

“The play of life. Thank You, thank you, thank you.”    Yes, it is that simple isn’t it?

Ustreamer670 says, “Hi Ananta, just joined. Love from London.”    Very welcome.

Louise says, “I guess there is identification through guilt.”

You are not the doer of this action. Show me the one who did something so that we can allow that one to feel guilty. The one who did it is the one who should carry the guilt, isn’t it? Can you show me the one who did it?

Rashmi says, “So much gratitude for your presence, dear Ananta.”    Very welcome.

Louise says, “O.K.” [Laughs]

Zoe says, “Dear Father, can you talk more about suffering showing you what you are identified with?”      Yes.

It’s very simple, actually very simple. A thought comes which says ‘You are horrible at gymnastics’. A thought comes to you and says ‘Zoe, you are horrible at gymnastics’. Does it hurt you? Hm? We will wait for your response. Does the thought that ‘Zoe is horrible at gymnastics’, does it hurt you?

Zoe says, “No”.

So this thought does not hurt. There is no suffering caused. And the next thought is ‘Zoe, you are a horrible mother’.

Zoe says, “Because I don’t identify as a gymnast.”   Exactly.

The next thought is, ‘Zoe, you are a terrible mother’. Does this hurt?

And Zoe says, “Ooh, the mother one has juice.”    Exactly.

So in this way all suffering shows us what we are identified with. It is this simple, isn’t it? We can’t make it any simpler. So there is a concept around being a good mother, and when this concept is attacked by your own thoughts then you say ‘this is suffering’. But now you are seeing that you are not the ‘mother’. It is Consciousness itself which is the one doer and the one experiencer.

So any time we are identified with a mis-belief, be it even the most glorious identification…, in the root of this, in the tale of this identification, lies suffering. And in the tale of the suffering lies the freedom from the identification. Isn’t it so beautiful, this game? In the tale of the identification lies the suffering, and in the tale of the suffering lies the freedom from the identification. Because the suffering will continue as long as we are identified. There is no way around it. But the instant it is seen that ‘I am not that’ then the suffering starts to vanish.

Atma says, “So simple, sooooo.”   Yes. It’s very simple.

Zoe says, “Tremendous relief and tears.”

The whole game of life has now been unraveled in this simple example.

Atma says, “Much love, Zoe.”

So if we can be completely open for life to show us all of our identifications, all of our misconceptions, all of our denials, then how long will it last? You cannot carry any misconception, any misidentification out of satsang. So, any of you can show me a thought which has the potential to make you suffer, and I can show you a mis-belief.

Shinein says, “Namaste. The ‘I’ seems to explore, this is seen, but the sense of seeker continues?”

Let’s look at this question again. He’s saying ‘The ‘I’ seems to explore’. The imagined one is only a bundle of thoughts. It cannot do anything at all. It cannot even search. It can only interpret what is appearing. It is only an interpreter. So the ‘I’, the fake ‘I’, cannot explore. It is the seeing itself, the pure witnessing which is the real I. So you say ‘This is seen’. The Seeing itself, the Awareness itself, that is You.

‘But the sense of seeker continues’. ‘Sense of seeker’ is also witnessed, isn’t it? That there is a sense of seeking here, there is a desire for freedom, that is also witnessed. So is the witnessing touched by the seeking or the sense of being a seeker? Is the witnessing touched by the sense of being a seeker?
Louise says, “Father I have identified with and suppressed huge anger. It is scary to be open to it; but so be it. Love you so much, thank you.”

I love you too my dear child and we will do this together. Don’t you worry. We will see this through. Actually, it is already done. It is done.

Zoe says, “Let it all come and let it be me now. My satsang prayer.”    Very good.

Om says, “Let it all come now. So be it. So beautiful.”    Yes.

Atma says, “So be it, Yes.”

Sindhu says, “Beloved Ananta, I see now that there used to be a need to push or speed up the awakening. Now it is clearly seen through, and everything opening up effortlessly and no more effort needed.”     Yes. It is the dropping of effort itself. Very good.

Shinein says, “Clarity. Love.”    Yes. Very good.

But if there is some other question, if there is still something that comes up, please feel free to type it out. Since we’ve not seen you before in satsang, don’t feel any peer pressure. Others are saying such beautiful testimonies; don’t feel any peer pressure about it. Whatever is there, let’s look at it together. It’s very good.

Jyoti says, “I had a dream yesterday where Mooji said ‘All this is past, including this hand that points’.”     Yes. Very beautiful.

Ustreamer961 says, “So beautiful. Always at your feet Father.”     Very good, Ram.

Ustreamer364 says, “I thank Grace for quitting my (new) job yesterday, so I could be able to follow your satsangs. So much love. This is so right.”

I must warn all of you..,  that there was a while in the middle where we used to joke and say ‘This seems to have become not the Sangha of Being, but the Sangha of Quitting Jobs, the Sangha of Quitting’. So, if you are deeply identified with your jobs, then you better beware. [Laughs] Is that scary? Welcome. We are also very happy you are joining us in satsang. Very good. There might be a time when I’m the only one in the sangha left with a job. [Laughing]

Om says, “With you looking into our eyes and asking ‘is it scary?’…, what can ever be scary, Father?”     This is just your love.  Oooh, what are we gonna do about you? [Big smile and shaking head]

Zoe says, “Yes, Om. Nothing scary, ever.”

Shanti says, “I think I should go get a job because I avoid this concept to avoid the identifications that come with it.”       [Laughing]

Let life unfold on it’s own. Don’t decide to get a job or be without a job. Don’t make any decisions because ‘the decision maker’ is fake. The idea that you’re making any decisions is a fake idea. Show me the one who is making the decisions. Who is this one? Just pure figment of imagination.

Rashmi says, [some word got missed out] “…job outside, home here.”

Jyoti says [Laughing while reading comment], “I agree with Mooji when he says he is making us ‘unemployable’.     Ah, it can seem that way. [Huge smile]

Shanti says, “Thank God. You’re right.”   Yes.  [Looking into the screen and beaming with love]

The Self can play all the roles. Even the worker role is possible to play. All kidding aside, there is no aversion or desire here for work. Just this state of neutrality is good enough. Let all that has to appear, appear.

Yeah? We say this often, isn’t it? That we don’t need to renounce our jobs. We don’t need to renounce our families. We don’t need to renounce our world. We don’t need to go into some cave. All that needs to be renounced is the interpreter in our head. Just fire the interpreter, it is that simple. It is as simple as that. All mean the same. It’s all the same satsang actually, every day. ‘Give me your head, fire the interpreter, let go of your thoughts’-it all means the same thing. But because this conditioning has happened over what it seems is a long period of time, then therefore in satsang, over and over we repeat the same thing in different ways.

Atma says, “Father, I love you so much. Beyond.”     Yes. Beyond.

Zoe says, “Trust beyond the word ‘trust’ here.”    Very good.   “So much love Father.”    Yes. With this trust, nothing can bother you now. Everything is my problem.

Atma says, “Father, all the same thing.”      Yes. It’s all the same thing.

Rashmi says, “So cute.”    I’m not sure what she’s referring to?

Shinein says, “Doubts rise then searching resumes. [repeats] I see this, but there is great joy in reading and viewing truth. Seeking and establishment have entangled? [repeats] Your pointing is love.”

It’s very simple. Let’s make it completely simple. All that is required to be free from suffering is to let go of your next thought. This is the end of seeking. Let go of your next thought, let go of your next thought, let go of your next thought. Show me your suffering now. It is this simple. The end of suffering is this simple.

So the spiritual journey starts with wanting the end of suffering. So, in this simple pointing, ‘let go of your next thought’, suffering is over. If there is openness, suffering is over.

Then you say ‘I want to see God. Can you show me God?’ and I say ‘Can you stop being now?  Can you stop being now? Right now, you stop being. Can you do it?’ You cannot do it. This being that you cannot stop, This holy presence is God itself. This is Consciousness. This is the sense ‘I Am’.

So now, in two simple pointings: ‘Let go of your next thought’ and ‘Can you stop being now?’ we have unraveled most of spirituality. Then you say, ‘but, but, but, I still want to see the absolute. Where does even God come from? Can I see that? The Absolute?’

And, the answer again is a simple pointing: ‘Are you aware now?’ Don’t try to do this with your mind. Simply, like a child, ‘Are you aware now?’ And your answer will be ‘Yes.’

This is Awareness aware of itself. This is Awareness aware of Awareness itself. Who is aware now? It is Awareness itself. This is the Absolute experiencing the Absolute. The only non-phenomenal experiencing.  Is there any room left for the seeker now? What is left to find?

You said, ‘I want the end of suffering.’ It is gone. You said, ‘Show me God.’ In your own being, it is ever present. This is God. This is Being.

And you said, ‘What about the Absolute Supreme?’ And, in your own Awareness of yourself, it is seen to be here. What is left to do now?

Ustreamer364 says, “No way to fire the interpreter. Also comes from that.”    Yes.

What are you referring to yourself as? Are you referring to yourself as the interpreter, or as That? The power of attention and belief, whose powers are they? Whose power are they? The power of belief, whose power is it? Is it the interpreter’s power? You must contemplate this. Very good.

Prema says, “Total trust in you, Father.”      Very good. Love you so much, my dear.

Shanti says, “Om. Love you, Father. Thank you, thank you, thank you.  Beautiful sangha, thank you.”      Yes. Thank you so much.

Ustreamer364 says, “My heart is about to crack. Please do. So much love.”    Very good.

Zoe says, “How can I resist such heavenly words?”    You cannot.

Ustreamer364 says, “Aha! I will so contemplate ‘who’.”      Very good.

Don’t let the interpreter tell you that you are the interpreter. It’s a very subtle trick of the mind itself. This is a conversation that Consciousness is having with Consciousness as Consciousness.

Sinhu says, “Beautiful words.”     Thank you my dear.

Aradhana says, “I am seeing the Self in blue shirt speaking to the Self via Ustream.”

Jyoti says, “Thank you so much. Love you so much.”      Love you too, my dear.

Om says, “The love here is melting me.”

Ustreamer961 says, “Aaroo, don’t forget an awesome beard.”

Shinein says, “This head is at your feet. Space here now, but for who?”

[Laughs] I like this joke. It’s very nice. But resist the temptation also to become the ‘Advaita police’. You know this joke about the Advaita police? The ones that are always saying, ‘but for who, who?’ That also we can keep aside. In the heart, if it feels that the sense of surrender is there, it is good. Yes, I know you were just joking about this.  Thank you, thank you.

Ian says, “Wonderful, Ananta.”     Thank you so much.

“Yeah, Father” Ananya says.

Thank you all so much for joining in satsang today. Moojiji ki Jai!

So much love to all of you. [Blows a kiss to all]

Sangha:  Moojiji ki Jai!  Anantaji ki Jai ! Thank you. Love you.

Q: “Ananta, ‘You are the doer and You are the experiencer’. This is beginning to sink in. Thank you.”

So, this ‘You’ that you are referring to is the Satguru in your own heart, and it is the same Satguru that is using this body in satsang and using these words in satsang.

And if you truly surrender, then your body also can be just an instrument for the same Satguru; which is true for all of you. There is nothing special that the words must come from this mouth, or this body. When you carry only the holy Presence, then the body will also be used, and every step that you take will be satsang for all Beings that come in contact with you. And this is also a blessing for all of you.

Complete freedom is possible for you now.

There is no doubt about your true nature here.

It is your own mind which can doubt. And all doubts about the Master are ultimately just a reflection of your doubt of your own realization; your doubt about your own freedom is reflected in this way.

All this is just a play for You.

You are all there is.

You are transcending this play and coming to your complete freedom.

No object holds any meaning for you.

No external circumstance has any value for you.

No thought or emotion mean anything to you.

You are the untouched, free One.

You are the untouched free One.

If there is only one thing you believe, then let it be this.

You are the untouched free One.

Whatever the mind is saying is less meaningful than silence itself. Whatever it is saying, forget about it.

Alright so we have some questions.

Q: “Is it appropriate to ask about the nature of the mind?” Yes, yes, why not?

We have discussed this; we have discussed many aspects and the nature of the mind. But at it’s root, at it’s core, the nature of the mind seems to be to attempt to create the individual identity. To attempt to create and to perpetuate the individual identity. At the very root, this seems to be the nature of the mind. So the mind refers to us as a separate entity; and once this is believed that ‘I am separate from the rest’, once the duality is believed, then the play starts, then the game begins. And once separateness is believed, then we can easily believe the rest of the mind’s concepts as well. Because once we start to believe ourselves to be a separate individual then there must be a need to defend. So it becomes about a separate individual and the individual’s story about survival, and eventually reaching some level of greatness.

All of our so called inspiring stories, if you look at the most popular novels, most popular stories, they are about how individuals have dealt with adversity, and ultimately come out on top. So what really happens is that the mind first convinces us that we are separate, and then tries to help us to become great, even almost godlike. So ultimately, the mind’s ambition for us is to become a person-god, or a godly person; not a ‘godly’ person, but you know what I mean. A person who is god himself, as powerful as god; and could have many attributes which could make the person feel like god. It could be money, it could be relationships, it could be the state of the body’s health, it could be our work. That is why the ultimate compliment we can give these beings…, in the world you will see this often, that many times sports people are called god. So Sachin Tendulkar is called the god of cricket, Messi is called the god of football. So ultimately the mind’s goal is to get the person to the point of becoming god.

But anyone who sees this, who inquires into this for just a few minutes, will see that it is just not possible; because nothing can replicate the peace, joy and happiness of this pure nothingness. Holding the identity of trying to become a person-god is a very, very heavy burden. And that is why you don’t see, even with a lot of success in any sphere of life, you don’t find beings which are happy, peaceful and joyous. The only beings who are truly peaceful are the ones who have gotten over this or transcended this being a person. And this is true throughout history. There are billions and billions of beings that seem to have been born here and this is true for all of them. So that is the core of the nature of the mind.

And this has many other small, small attributes which you can ascribe, but the fact is, this is the main nature. There are many smaller things, like to discuss the nature of the mind, you’ll see…, if you inquire into the nature of the mind you will see that, even in satsang, I could say 1,000 times that ‘I love you’. I could say 1,000 nice things about each of you. But if I was once to say that ‘I hate you’ then it will be this one that is more believed. The negative will be more believed. We will always doubt the positive. So if I tell you that ‘I love you’ your mind will say ‘Oh, but he is saying it very generally; he is just saying it because there is so much love; he doesn’t actually love me’. But if I were to say ‘I hate you’ you will not doubt it; you will say ‘Oh, he hates me’. So it’s just one of the attributes of the nature of the mind. But ultimately, at the core, is to create this idea of separateness.