BOOKS BY ANANTA Welcome to Satsang with Ananta

Q: Father, yesterday a few thoughts believed in brought a huge sense of falling apart and everything was believed about ‘I must go alone and forget about all this’. Thank God, something brought me to satsang.

This is very good. All of you just remember these words: Always come to satsang.

The trickster cannot win. If you come to satsang, the trickster cannot win. Otherwise it will play all its tricks. It will say all kinds of nonsense. But I know what is true here is true everywhere. And without satsang, I would be completely lost. I’m so grateful that Grace brought me to satsang with my Master. So, no matter what the mind is saying, no matter how convincing it is, no matter which feelings are coming: just always be in satsang. Very good.

Q: Even when the feeling was the opposite.

Yes. Especially when the feeling is the opposite! Especially when the feeling is the opposite. Very good. Very happy you came. This is trust. What Louise spoke about also earlier, this is trust. The Teacher has said ‘Always come to satsang’ …, so no matter what resistance is coming. Very good.

Another Q: Yes, Father it is. Losing!!!

[Laughing] Very good.

Another Q: Heart seems to be open again, clear-seeing truth, merging in truth. But also thoughts arise about ‘It will all close up before tomorrow again’.    

See you must also stop taking your temperature all the time. Stop observing your state all the time.  Stop being interested in the state all the time. Because if we keep taking our temperature, we will create some disease actually. [Soft laugh] We are not a state. We cannot be measured by our state. It is not about whether there is bliss or joy or whether there is any other state. It is not about any of this. Drop all concerns for which states are coming. Let that be also my concern. Then what stays?

Another Q: So grateful for satsang. Thank you so much.”  Very welcome, my dear. “But then I will of course come to satsang again. Satsang seems to be the Alchemy dissolving all illusions.

Yes. [Big smile]

Another Q: My heart is full of gratitude to you and to Moojiji, to Satguru.

So much love. Very good.

Nothing will be left. All will be cleared in satsang. [Looks confidently at screen] Mind is a trickster. It will play ALL kinds of tricks. It will give you stories like ‘Why does Ananta say ‘always come to satsang’? I want to be alone. Maybe he just wants more people in his sangha’. You see?  All this kind of rubbish it will talk. The only reason to say this is I know that being in satsang, all the tendencies, all the vasanas, all the conditioning that have been picked up for millions of years, millions of life times, all get burnt up in the Presence of satsang.

And it is completely true that it is your own Heart’s Presence.

The Satguru which is in your own heart; it is that Presence.

But, until you are in constant communion with this ‘Heart’ then you will come to this Heart satsang.

Come to this Heart.

 Very good.

Namaste, everyone. A very warm welcome to satsang today. Moojiji ki Jai.

Thank you all so very much for joining in and if this is your first time in satsang, the way to ask questions is through the chat window.

Namaste. Welcome, welcome. Welcome Jesse. Very good.

We must drop the idea that something is happening to me. All that is happening is just a happening. Nothing is happening to you. Nothing can happen to you. Just like the space is unaffected by what is appears inside the space, you are that Witnessing which is unaffected by all appearances; by any appearance. [Namaste]

So any time we say that ‘something is happening to me’ it is not true actually. Nothing has ever happened to you. At best we can say that something is arising here; arising within me or in front of me. But nothing, nothing, nothing has ever happened to you.

Not even enlightenment is happening to you. Freedom cannot happen to you. Because for freedom to happen to you it must be possible for you to be bound first. Even freedom is not happening to you. Nothing has ever happened actually. And knowing that nothing has ever happened, we can now stop waiting for things to happen. Stop waiting for things to confirm that you are free.

What is the event that will confirm your freedom? Whose testimony are you waiting for? And if we keep waiting for the mind’s testimony it is never going to come; and even if it does come it would be only with the perspective to set you up for failure. It will only build up the spiritual ego and set it up for failure, set it up for more suffering.

No waiting for any events now. No waiting for any confirmation. At least can we define, if we are still waiting for something, at least can we say that ‘This must happen and then I know that I am completely free’. What is that ‘this’? What is it that needs to happen to confirm your freedom?

Can we even identify one who is bound? And if we cannot identify that one that was bound then we can see that what is here is completely free. Free beyond the concept of freedom. Beyond the idea of freedom. If all we have is an idea of freedom, an image of freedom then that image will also be dropped first. Freedom will not confirm an image of freedom. It will confirm that it is image-less. You are image-less. Very good.

Atma says, “There is no one here that is bound.”    Very good. So simple and so clear isn’t it? [Looking intensely at screen before speaking] You are the magnificent and completely innocent Self.

Loney says, “I cannot write anything to day because there are too many ‘but’s.”

There can be. These ‘buts’ can come. You see? But, but, but…, it can keep coming like this. Doubt can keep coming. But how can your belief go to them without your permission? It needs your approval to make your self suffer, or at least imagine to suffer. And then giving your belief to doubt, giving your belief to thought, you are giving this approval for suffering. It’s just like saying actually that you get a request, you know, and it says that ‘You listen to me and you will suffer’. And you say ‘approved’ by giving it your belief.

So actually both sides of the coin are true. Hmm? Both sides of the coin are true. You cannot suffer without believing a thought. You cannot suffer without believing a thought and cannot not suffer without believing a thought; cannot not suffer when believing a thought. Cannot suffer without believing a thought and cannot not suffer when believing a thought. Because a thought means resistance to ‘what is’. ‘What is’ does not rely on thoughts.

Right now are you relying on a thought? Which thought do you need? Which thought…, so you need to be?

Namaste. Very good. Thank you, Clare.

Atma says, “Yes, Father. It’s what I’m discovering exactly. Completely innocent Self.”    Yes.     “So much joy in this not believing thoughts. So much joy in not believing in mind.”

Wiebke says, “Just at your Father.”    Very good. Very good.

Loney says, “No thought is needed to be.”    Very good.

And is there a lack in Being? Is there any lack in Being?

If there is no thought needed to be and there is no lack in Being then why rely on thoughts? Which are the special ones? Which are the ones which you are still believe have some meaning? You will see that all of them have no meaning.

Loney says, “No lacks, Being is being, is complete.”    Yes.

Then when a doubt comes, what is the value in that? Why do we give it our belief? This is great contemplation. Isn’t it?

Ajnani says, “No lack but completion.”   Yes. Being is complete. Being is full.

Atma says, “Father, you are so sweet. Love you so much.”   [Modest chuckle] Love you too, my dear.

Loney says, But (sorry)…”  [Soft laugh]   “I don’t know where these words come from. It is a sort of knowing without anyone to know this.”

‘I don’t know where these words come from. It is sort of knowing without anyone to know this.’ There is nobody here. We’re expecting some words to come from an entity, and for your Self to identify the entity from where they are coming. But all that I have been trying to say for so long is that: ‘There is no separate entity. It is all one Being. It is all one Seeing’.

The point of the looking is simple, isn’t it? We look and we see that there is no entity there and we see that there’s just this one Being, the presence of which is ever-present in the heart and even this is ultimately witnessed by the Absolute, by the Self.

So then how can I be this appearance which is arising? I am That. It is clearly seen, this Witnessing of all of this appearance. The problem is that it seems to be too simple. The only problem seems to be that it is too simple.

Loney says, “Previously it was thought I was the smart one. Now this ‘I’ is dissolving. Words arise, thoughts arise, feelings and sensations and activity arise.”

Yes. And we say that this ‘I’ is dissolving but actually what it means is that we see that it is not there, and we stop operating from that perspective. That is the meaning of dissolving.

Loney says, “YES! That is in fact the problem, it is so simple.”

And this problem is again a problem only for the mind. As with all problems, the problem is only with the mind. Without your head, can you show me a problem? What problem can you have without your head? How long will you listen to the doubt? How long will you continue to say that ‘I know what you say is true’? How long will you say that ‘I know what you say is true but, but, but…’? Hmm?

Loney says, “No problems, and it is not a problem.”    Yes.     “Just realizing all this searching and looking for freedom…”    And something more will come.

In the meanwhile, Ajnani says, “I gave my head to you. Please don’t give me back.”    I will never give it back unless you ask.

And then Loney says, “…searching and looking for freedom that was always right here.”

Yes. How does one find something that was always right here? This is like trying to find your Self.

Ishani says, “As right now there is no feeling to anything at all.”    [Pause] Oh. ‘As right now, [Gestures to indicate ‘here and now’] there is no feeling to anything at all.’

If there were feelings, they would arise only within You and You would be the witness of them. There is nothing which can say ‘This is my feeling’. It is just another appearance.

Loney says, “So many paradoxes for the mind, there is no ONE to find, and nothing to be found.”    Yes.

You see, if I was to try and teach the mind, if my job was to teach the mind, then it would be much more difficult. I would actually give up. Because what is being spoken to here is beyond the mind, is prior to mind. And if we are waiting for mind to be convinced then it is something which is going to last very, very long. Because it is the job of the mind to be unconvinced, to be separate. You see? So as long as you don’t consider yourself to be just the mind then I don’t have to worry. But if you keep referring to yourself as the mind then even satsang can’t help. Because all that satsang is trying to say is that: You are not this. The mind is just some energy which is arising within You. It is not You. It is not Your voice also. Why would you need a voice to communicate with your own Self?

Ishani says, “You missed a previous question.”     Okay where is that?    “It got missed.”    So maybe it didn’t show up on my chat at all. Would you like to send it again? It’s not here in my chat. While you do that, let me just put on the fan. Okay, while Ishani’s typing…

Kapil says, “Please clarify the term ‘Being’ for me. I kind of struggle with this word. Are you referring to this feeling because of which I can say ‘I am’ OR ‘I am here’?”

The feeling ‘because of which I can say I am’. Yes. And it seems a little bit prior to a feeling. Although it can feel like a feeling, this Presence has a deeper sense of quality in the sense of ‘it is not fading. It is not coming and going’ …, this feeling, this Presence which allows you to say ‘I am’, the Being that we are speaking of. And it is ever-present, isn’t it? There can never be a time when you can say ‘I Am’ is not present. You can only report on it not being present in the deep sleep state after waking up. In the Presence only you can report on it. So it is this, this sense of Being, which shows you that you cannot stop Being. That Being is ever-present.

And this Being is also called the sense ‘I Am’ itself. But it is not in the thought ‘I am’ but the presence ‘I Am’. When we say ‘I am here’ we’re not speaking of the ‘here’ in the spatial sense, not in terms of time and space. When we say ‘I am here’ we’re referring to ‘Here’ the Eternal Now-ness. The Ever-Present. So if ‘I am here’ is confusing to you, just stay with the sense ‘I Am’. Don’t worry about the ‘here’.

Kapil says, “The mind tries to define it but is unable to.”    Yes.

The mind cannot define it. It is that in which the mind is born. All the energy, all the appearances, are born in the light of this Beingness. First Being exists then the world exists. That is why it’s said that: All of this arises within You.

But it is as simple as what you’re saying. ‘This feeling because of which you can say ‘I am’. Only I would not call it a feeling; I would call it a Presence or sense of Being.

Shanti says, “It’s like I have all these phantom limbs. There may be an itch but when I look, nothing at all is there!”    Yes.     “But I am still here. I cannot stop Being and I am aware of all of this.”    Exactly. Very good.

Nothing is there. Nothing has ever happened to you. That’s how we started satsang, isn’t it? Nothing has ever happened to you and nothing will. So what are you waiting for? And if you’re not waiting, then this is Freedom. You are already all there is. All this is about You. As long as you are here to hear these words, I will repeat these words. Because we are replacing the hypnosis of the previous conditioning. And eventually to be replaced with nothing at all. And when there comes a point where you can say that ‘I have no concept’, the only concepts you are left with are for conversational use. Only for conversation, some concepts are used but you don’t believe any of them to be true. Yes. Very good.

Kapil says, “This is always here. It’s actually so simple.” Exactly!

Shanti says, “It is done.”    Very good.

Loney says, “Please talk a little about not making any pictures of how freedom looks like.”

This is, the painting of pictures is, just the mind’s way of trying to be an ally on this search. So the mind knows you want freedom now. So it tries to bring you freedom in its own way. And it sets conditions and expectations. It’ll say things like ‘When you stop getting angry, when you stop having desire then you know that you are free’ knowing fully well that it is only setting you up for failure.

It will never say ‘You are free NOW. Let all that needs to appear appear’. So this is one way in which the mind makes pictures. It means expectations, conditions, the ‘state’, getting attached to particular states. This is one way in which the mind makes pictures.

There is another way in which the mind makes pictures. So when the mind hears terms like ‘Being’, it will paint a picture of Being for you. It could paint a picture of just pure space or white light. No? When it hears ‘Awareness’ it will paint this big space of black nothingness. But it is not in what is seen. Even this image is not it. It is always the Witnessing alone. The Awareness of this image also is what You are.

Yes. Atma says, “There is a super sound in the back ground…birds?”    Yes. There’s a large crow, some crows sitting in the balcony. [Smiling]

Jayani says, “Father there is an old trying energy that still gets attention. It feels like if it finds, it will be done. So crazy. Exposing this and placing in the fire.”    Very good! Very good. Let it go. You have seen that it is not true. This is very good.

AmritGaurav says, “Self remembrance is bliss, forgetting Self is the only sin…, just came in my mind.”

It is okay to say like this. Ultimately there is no sin. There is no sin. But the mistake, if we can say like this, if there is any mistake it is to give belief to our thoughts. And in giving this belief to our thoughts we can say that ‘I have forgotten who I am’. Therefore what you say…, which is forgetting the Self. Yes. That’s good.

Clare says, “The missing question is up a bit at 12:27.”     Yes but India time here is different. [Laughs] It’s 5 pm here. So it’s up a bit from Ishani’s? We’ll ask Ishani to type it again.

Oh Ishani says, “Typed again but got missed.” Again? What is this? [Laughing] Oh, there it is.

Ishani says, “Father, as there is no effort to be doing anything, will there be a time I will need to push myself to do something?”    No! [Said emphatically with a soft laugh]

She says, (very good question),  ‘As there is no need to be doing anything, will there be a time I will need to push myself to do something?’ You see, when you say ‘push myself’ itself, you’re inventing a doer entity and another entity which can be pushed. So one that can do the pushing and one that can get pushed. Both of these are fictional. So nothing, none of this game is needed.

Then you say, “In terms of work that is? As I have nothing I feel to do.”    Yes.     “No fear but maybe doubt.”    Trust what is happening to you.

You are in Moojiji’s heart. All is taken care of. And when something is meant to happen, He will provide the energy also for it to happen. Hmm? The One whose will this is, is the One who’s giving the energy also. It is all His will. Let Thy will be done. Actually surrender is only the seeing that it is only His will that can be done. The rest is just pretending. Isn’t it?

So without sounding like the Advaita police, I would just say that ‘Who would push who to do what?’ [Laughing] You see? Don’t let any event that is occurring convince you that you are a person. Very good.

Shanti says, “These words are music to my ears and the image of you Father, the most beautiful vision”.    So much love, my dear. Very good.

Louise says, “Father I read somewhere today where you said ‘Everyone takes Arjuna’s perspective’.”

Yes. I said that Nisargadatta Maharaj had spoken about this once, where he said that everyone reads the Bhagavad Gita from Arjuna’s perspective, from the seekers perspective. But why don’t we read it from the Satguru’s perspective?

Why don’t we read it from Krishna’s perspective, from Consciousness perspective? And this is the true perspective. Because the ‘seeker’ we cannot find. We look and we look and we look and we cannot find. But we see that Being is ever-present. So why not read from the perspective of this Being? This is very good.

Then you say, “I don’t remember the exact words but it really hit me.”    Yes. When I read it also, it had a strong effect. Yes.    “I am Krishna’s perspective,” you say. Yes.     “Why believe the wrong perspective?”    Perfect. Very nice. Very good.

Jayani says, “So something tries to get clarity.”

And now it is seen that no clarity can come from any belief in thought. Why do we believe thoughts? Because we feel we will get some meaning, some value, maybe some clarity out of it. That is what the thoughts are selling. Actually clarity comes from the dropping of these. We have seen this now.

Ishani says, “Thank you, Clare; typed again and got missed. Maybe I just keep quiet.”    Sometimes it can play like that. Yes? I hope you got it now?

Thank you, Atma. She says, “Beautiful they are. Thank you, Mooji.”

Ajnani says, “When you say ‘You are Mooji’s heart’ tears are coming.”    You are completely the Satguru’s heart. Yes. Very good.

Atma says, “So happy to know he is taking care of all.”   Of course! Of course He is.

Loney says, “Who would push who to do what?”    Very good.    “All is arising, happening, by itself. There is no one here to take credit for anything or be guilty about anything.”    Very good! This is very good.

Clare says, “May my will not be done anymore.”

‘May my will not be done anymore’ and may I see that this me just does not exist at all. So it cannot even have a will, you see? A dream character can have no will. A character in a day dream now can have no will. All is a projection of God. All is a projection of Consciousness.

Shanti says, “Satsang is a confirmation to my Heart from my Heart.”    Very good! This is very good.

Loney says, “And nothing ever happened. It is actually so hilarious!”   Nothing ever happened. Yes!

Shanti says, “It’s very funny, but your image just froze on my screen in the most beautiful smile. Love you so much, too.”

Atma says she needs to go. “Love you so much.”    So much love to you.

Shanti says, “There! You’re back in action again.”    Much love.

Clare says, “Handing over all subtle managing and control in all situations, gratefully. No me or dream character. Thank you.”

Grace is doing everything. Grace is doing everything. And it knows what to do. We used to say ‘The Universe knows what it is doing’. It makes no mistakes and it has perfect timing. The Universe makes no mistakes and it has perfect timing. No matter what we might believe to the contrary. What you are right now is what you are.

Ishani says, “Thank you, dearest Father. Love you so much. Grateful for Moojiji’s and your Presence.”   Thank you.    “And blessings that no words can express.”    Very good.

Loney says, “Thoughts about being arrogant arise. But it is, in fact, felt ‘I am Grace itself’.”

You are all there is. You are all there is.

Louise says, “Father, all I can feel and know for certain is that trust is stronger than doubt. My heart is now stronger than my mind.”    Very good.

Doubt will lose all meaning for you. Hmm? It will not last. Already most of it is gone. And now as you refuse to pick it up, it will die for lack of attention. It’s like a plant that we need to water, we need to provide soil, without which it does not grow. We need to give it air and sunlight, without which a plant cannot grow. In the same way our thoughts, our doubts, without our attention and belief, they will not grow. They will just shrivel up and die now. [Laughing] Very good.

Zurim says, “Father, yesterday a few thoughts believed in brought a huge sense of falling apart and everything was believed about ‘I must go alone and forget about all this’. Thank God, something brought me to satsang.”     This is very good.

All of you just remember these words: ‘Always come to satsang’. The trickster cannot win. If you come to satsang, the trickster cannot win. Otherwise it will play all its tricks. It will say all kinds of nonsense. But I know what is true here is true everywhere. And without satsang, I would be completely lost. I’m so grateful that Grace brought me to satsang with my Master. So, no matter what the mind is saying, no matter how convincing it is, no matter which feelings are coming: just always be in satsang. Very good.

He [Zurim] says, “Even when the feeling was the opposite.”    Yes.

Especially when the feeling is the opposite! Especially when the feeling is the opposite. Very good. Very happy you came. This is trust. What Louise spoke about also earlier, this is trust. The Teacher has said ‘Always come to satsang’ …, so no matter what resistance is coming. Very good.

Louise says, “Yes, Father it is. Losing!!!   [Laughing] Very good.

Loney says, “Heart seems to be open again, clear-seeing truth, merging in truth. But also thoughts arise about ‘It will all close up before tomorrow again’.”

See you must also stop taking your temperature all the time. Stop observing your state all the time.  Stop being interested in the state all the time. Because if we keep taking our temperature, we will create some disease actually. [Soft laugh] We are not a state. We cannot be measured by our state. It is not about whether there is bliss or joy or whether there is any other state. It is not about any of this. Drop all concerns for which states are coming. Let that be also my concern. Then what stays?

Clare says, “So grateful for satsang. Thank you so much.”    Very welcome, my dear.

Ajnani says, “My heart is full of gratitude to you and to Moojiji, to Satguru.”    So much love. Very good.

Loney says, “But then I will of course come to satsang again. Satsang seems to be the Alchemy dissolving all illusions.”    Yes. [Big smile]

Nothing will be left. All will be cleared in satsang. [Looks confidently at screen] Mind is a trickster. It will play ALL kinds of tricks. It will give you stories like ‘Why does Ananta say ‘always come to satsang’? I want to be alone. Maybe he just wants more people in his sangha’. You see?  All this kind of rubbish it will talk. The only reason to say this is I know that being in satsang, all the tendencies, all the vasanas, all the conditioning that have been picked up for millions of years, millions of life times, all get burnt up in the Presence of satsang.

And it is completely true that it is your own Heart’s presence. The Satguru which is in your own heart; it is that Presence. But, until you are in constant communion with this ‘Heart’ then you will come to this Heart satsang. Come to this Heart. Very good.

 Jesse says, “It seems obstacles arise to give the person something to chew on. Chewing is seen.”     [Smiling]

It is also so beautiful to see that this is getting transcended now. When something is arising, we see that ‘Oh, there is wonder about how this still is here’. And then that is also transcended. All is getting transcended. This is very good.

Jayani says, “Thank you, Father, all is Grace. Infinitely grateful.”     You’re very welcome, my dear.

Stacy says, “Just sober seeing stays.”    This is very good. There is great value in just the sober seeing because it has no expectations of any fireworks.

Clare says, “Laying a situation at work at your feet and all habits of going to mind with it. Thank you.”    Very good!

Louise says, “Father, not in a disrespectful way, but you are starting to feel very normal to me lately. If that makes any sense.”    It is very good.

I had said once earlier that in my regular-ness is my message.  If it can be said like that, in my regular-ness is my message. I don’t want to be up on a pedestal seeming unapproachable. I want to make it completely clear that there is nothing special here. It is your own Heart which is speaking through this body. It’s very good.

Zurim says, “Yes Father, it has been seen how easy we can be deluded when believing in mind.”

Yes. I feel no belief in mind is without its delusion. Believing in mind itself is delusion actually.  And all belief in mind will lead to suffering unless it is dropped. Very good.

Julio says, “The saying ‘author-less’ was read somewhere today. It feels that when there is clarity, the divine tool mind only magnifies what I am not and when it is ‘author-less’, it widens to ‘everything is love’.”    Yes.

So what is seen is that this mind then becomes the Universal Mind. When we drop the person idea, then this mind itself merges into Consciousness itself and you cannot find a difference between ‘mind’ and ‘Being’. Very good.

Clare says, “Dearest Father, I gladly give you all habits of referring to mind for anything anymore.”     Very good. I’m very happy to get these gifts. That’s very good.

Jesse says, “Thank you for showing us that life is so much wiser than any thought.”     You’re very welcome, my dear. Very welcome.

Ishani says, “A few days ago lonely false identity arose again. This is a juicy one. Then 1, 2, 3 dropped very easily, to my astonishment.”    Very good. Yes.

You will be astonished at how these strongly juicy ones will not temp you now. All identities will be let go of. This is very good.

Shanti says, “Love you all so much. Very beautiful satsang. Thank you, Father.”    Thank you, my dear. Thank you so much.

And thank you all so very much for joining in this beautiful satsang today.

Moojiji ki Jai!

[Reading messages of love and thanks]  Thank you. Much love.

Very good. [Blows kiss]

Sangha:  Moojiji ki Jai!  Anantaji ki Jai! Love you. Thank you.

Q: It’s complicated for me because there is a memory of what ‘essential nature’ felt like, which is complete joy and non-existence, yet at the same time along with the ‘yet I still am’.

You see, this is the trouble with spiritual experiences; and that’s why we don’t focus so much on spiritual experiences because we start to relate that state; the spiritual experience state as the freedom state, but this is not true. All experiences, all states are coming and going, but inside ‘what’ are they coming and going?

They are all arising inside you and going inside you. This One who witnesses this state which you call the essential nature, and the one that witnesses the state which you call person state …, is the witness of either of these states touched by any state? You see? The One Witness, is that touched also? This you must see; and then you must see whether there is any distance between you and this witnessing. Are you in what is being witnessed or are you in the witnessing itself?

This contemplation you must do. And when this contemplation is done you will find that you are untouched by any state no matter how beautiful or sublime it is. You will be untouched.

You are never that.

You are always here.

You’re never an appearance no matter how beautiful it is.

This witnessing of this sublime state, as well as the person state; this witnessing is what you are.

Q: Father, yesterday I had a tantrum. It came and went just like a child’s.” Yes.  “There was no holding onto it afterwards although there was thought in the background. The only thing that came, which was a bit sticky was now this (other) person feels there is a problem between us, and how do I approach them next time I see them?

Ah! I see! So you had a tantrum with another person and now there is a ‘person’ here which feels like something has gone wrong in the relationship and ‘How do I plan the next meeting? What is going to happen?’ There’s a fear about it, or there’s a need to fix it in some way. See, it can get very complicated if we were to deal with issues at this level, at a personal level. ‘What should I say? What should I have done or not done? What can I say now? Should I apologize? Should I not apologize?’ No? All these questions can come. You see? Whether to apologize or not has been also a theme for some time, in the last week. You see?

That is why we have dropped all this complexity now. And you know what I’m going to say next [Laughing], because we have dropped all this complexity, what we have said is ‘Just don’t believe your next thought’ and then let everything unfold as it should. And you might find your mouth saying completely the opposite; and it is all completely fine. It is the guilt or the planning for the future which is more mentally tiring and mentally stressful, isn’t it? As it is, it is going to unfold in exactly the way it is meant to.

All this thinking is needless. So now if you see that it can just be let go of. And these kinds of things they can be sticky. So when we say ‘Don’t believe them’ they seem to come back again. And if this is something really sticky and keeps coming back then it gives you a lot of fodder for inquiry: What is it that is so worried about this relationship? Which identity still exists here? Which identity am I carrying about myself still that I don’t even have a freedom to throw a tantrum? You see? Is there some fear of how I will be perceived?

It gives us so much fodder for beautiful transcending and Self-inquiry. So we can be grateful even for this. Although when I say this, sometimes I know the feeling might come that ‘This is crazy. It was such an unpleasant event, how can he say be grateful even for this?’ Be grateful because it is an opportunity to transcend this. First an opportunity to see that something like this still is here, and then an opportunity to let it go, to let it get released.

Q: Because it just came and went, Father, I did not feel there was a problem at all.

Yes, very good.

Q: But do not know how to approach the person when they feel there is.

Don’t plan anything. Don’t plan anything at all. The mind will say that ‘If I don’t plan then it will be a static state; it will be a state of limbo. I will not do anything if I do not plan’ is what the mind is saying. But this is not true. There is actually no linkage even between thought and action. You will see that very spontaneously, very automatically something will unfold. Nothing will be left unresolved. Just don’t need to rely on your thoughts for anything. It doesn’t matter what conclusion you come up with in thought.

So even if you were to say that ‘What should I do now?’ And you get some guidance that you must decide now to apologize, see, that means nothing; because what will unfold in the moment when you are together or in communication will just happen on its own anyway. Many times we decide that we will apologize and instead we go and shout at that person more, isn’t it? Many times we decide to get angry with someone and then when we are in their Presence we find that we have said ‘Sorry’.

All of this is happening on its own. It has nothing to do with you except that it is only that it is appearing as a movie for you. But you are not a character in this movie. And any time you try to play the role of the character then it is bound to come with its suffering, because the life of a movie character is very difficult. You see? It is much easier to just watch the movie.

Very good.

On Saturday when we had the in-person satsang, we discovered something which we hadn’t spoken so much of earlier, which was that on this path it seems like we have gotten used to constantly taking our temperature. Were some of you there? You heard this part? We are constantly evaluating the states in which we are in. Let all these states come and go. Let all that is happening, happen.

Don’t use any state as a pointer to your freedom, because if you rely on a state to find your freedom, then this state goes…, like all states must go; and then you again start believing that you’re not free. You see?

So we can also drop this thermometer now where we’re not constantly checking up on what is appearing.  We’re not labeling also what is appearing. It is another way in which the mind will keep us involved, because the mind starts interpreting your so-called spiritual progress also and this still seems meaningful to the seeker.

But I will not leave you even with this. Even this you will let go of because it is just not freedom to be constantly concerned about which state is appearing. It is just not freedom. It is just another way for the mind to say that you are almost there or you’re not there or you were there and you’re losing it again. So don’t buy any interpretation of the states which are appearing as well. Don’t label them even as good or bad. Very good.

Q: “Anantaji, all day I looked at my children and saw them as a result of my own imaginings.” Yes. “It was such a sweet and beautiful seeing; no threat. Real and unreal disappeared & only the creator of the dream was seen.” Very good. Very good

All that is appearing is a projection of your own Being. All of this is about you. This is all about You, just not ‘you as a person’. Because somewhere when I say this is all about you, the person wants to feel special and feel good: ‘Yes, this is all about me, I am special’. It is not about that.

We are one Being, we are one Seeing. Very good.

Another Q: “Let all is happening, happen.”  Very good.

Another Q: “Love that part with the temperature.”  Yes.

Real subtle tricks of the mind, isn’t it? ‘Now this one has lost all interest in everything else so let’s keep giving them a report of how I’m progressing spiritually’ …, and we buy our spiritual stories now. So don’t be so quick to buy your stories, even if they are spiritual. Very good.

Another Q: “It seems like it’s been a habit to believe what the thought says”, Yes, “be it spirituality or anything else.” Yes. “Now in this silence, it is crying for more attention.”

You see, now the rubber is really hitting the road for you, isn’t it? This is very good. Now when the intellectual understanding has even been set aside…, because there might have been a time not so long ago where you would have said ‘I understand all of this; I got it’. Now you see that there is nothing to get. And in this silence of nothing to get, no lack, no need then very gently you can see what is really going on. And all these tricks will be seen very clearly now; and with no effort to try and get something, all of this will unfold for you. And there can be no spiritual ego now with this. It’s very good.

[Silence]

Let the mind try as much as it wants. Don’t be so compassionate towards the mind. Just stand your ground and say ‘Let’s see what happens’.

It’s like my daughter she has this new tablet, so on that tablet computer she has this new… some game … where she has a pet cat. And then you’re supposed to feed that cat, you’re supposed to take care of it. So she has been refusing to feed this pet cat and the cat has been crying out for more attention. And then ultimately yesterday she said that ‘I cannot be so mean, so let me feed her something’. So the mind is like this imaginary pet; it’s our imaginary friend, but it is truly not our ally. It only brings misery. So don’t feed this imaginary friend for some time and see what happens.

Namaste everyone. Very warm welcome to satsang today. Moojiji ki Jai!

Thank you all so very much for joining in, and if this is your first time in satsang, the way to ask questions is through the chat window.  Namaste. Namaste.

In Satsang it is Being which is speaking to Being. Consciousness speaks to Consciousness. And actually every time that any communication is happening it is between Consciousness alone. But this communication in satsang is still little different because it is not with the pretense of being a person. There is no pretense of a person speaking from here. There is no pretense of a person hearing on the other side. This is satsang. And no other communication, or rare communication, can happen in the world without this pretense. Most of the communication we are referring to each other as people, as egos, as separate individuals. So just in this much itself it is great power to have the opportunity to commune like this, as Consciousness Itself; without referring to each other as people and mostly without referring to our personal issues, this is very powerful.

And yes, it is true that when satsang starts…, in the first satsang for the new one who comes into satsang, it can seem like a person has come into satsang. Yes. But very soon this person starts to dissolve; and sometimes it is a stir fry and sometimes it is a slow boil. Therefore sometimes there are strong reactions coming from personhood even within satsang, and other times the person just gently seems to melt away.

Namaste, Namaste everyone. Namaste.

So when this person, this belief starts to melt (and now for most of you it is completely dissolving), then what remains? As the personal identity is dissolving, what remains now?

[Silence].

Namaste, Namaste. So, Rashmi is having some Ustream issues. Welcome, Kanchan.

Clare says, “Only you remains.”

Yes. Only you remains; the Satguru in the heart remains as your own Self.

Then Atma says, “Just ‘isness’ remains.”  Yes.

Lizelle says, “Pure Being.”  Yes.

And it is seen that the person is never here anyway. The personal identity which seemed so strong for some of you just a few weeks ago…, it could have seemed so strong and now we really start to wonder what all the fuss was about.

Atma says, “Person is never here. True, Father.”

And if the person was ever real, if the person was ever real, then my task in satsang would not be as easy as it is. It would not be as easy.

My job is very, very simple, it is only to ask you to look; look at what is real right now. And that’s why I say if there is a little bit of openness and this looking happens, then you cannot miss it. You are It. How can you miss it? You cannot miss your own Self.

Ananya says, “Namaste Father, I would like to expose something and burn it in the fire of satsang. We are being taught to interpret everything, and not see things as it is. This accumulation of knowledge just enhances more arrogance sometimes. Trusting only your words, I place this at your feet. Really tired of it.”  Yes. Yes.

The world’s idea, the minds idea, the ego’s plan as the interpreter, is to provide you a commentary on everything that is going on; and now we have given up our own seeing and we go with the version that this commentator is providing us. So most of us don’t see the world fresh, we see it through the eyes of this interpreter who always sees separation alone. It actually invents separation where none exists. Therefore the real question is: What is true right now? Not what the commentator is saying. We are not asking for what the commentator is saying.

And like Ananya said, it is only in satsang that we have this kind of conversation. In all other cases everyone is expecting the response from a mind. They are always saying: What do you think about this? So we’re living in this world of interpretations; living as the interpreter itself.

But who is the mind speaking to?

Who are your thoughts referring to you as?

Does this one exist?

It’s actually very simple, isn’t it?

You as a separate ‘you’ just do not exist. It is as simple as that. And then if you say but I am here, this is very good. When I say you do not exist, then you could say but I am here. What is this that is here? Let’s find out this one. Who is this one that is here?

Very good. So much love Louise.

Cornelia says, “Only pure seeing remains.”  Yes. Ultimately only Pure Seeing remains, yes. Namaste.

Atma says, “Therefore it is easy, because person has never been here.”  Yes. It is the simplest thing.

Namaste, Amrit.

Ananya says, “Yes, I am here now.”

Very good. And this one that is here now does not need to rely on any knowledge, you see? No intellectual understanding is needed now.

Atma says, “I am just feeling to close the eyes and melt into your voice and Presence…”

Yes, that’s very good.

On Saturday when we had the in-person satsang, we discovered something which we hadn’t spoken so much of earlier, which was that on this path it seems like we have gotten used to constantly taking our temperature. Were some of you there? You heard this part? We are constantly evaluating the states in which we are in. Let all these states come and go. Let all that is happening, happen.

Don’t use any state as a pointer to your freedom, because if you rely on a state to find your freedom, then this state goes…, like all states must go; and then you again start believing that you’re not free. You see?

So we can also drop this thermometer now where we’re not constantly checking up on what is appearing.  We’re not labeling also what is appearing. It is another way in which the mind will keep us involved, because the mind starts interpreting your so-called spiritual progress also and this still seems meaningful to the seeker.

But I will not leave you even with this. Even this you will let go of because it is just not freedom to be constantly concerned about which state is appearing. It is just not freedom. It is just another way for the mind to say that you are almost there or you’re not there or you were there and you’re losing it again. So don’t buy any interpretation of the states which are appearing as well. Don’t label them even as good or bad. Very good.

Ginger says, “Anantaji, all day I looked at my children and saw them as a result of my own imaginings.” Yes. “It was such a sweet and beautiful seeing; no threat. Real and unreal disappeared & only the creator of the dream was seen.” Very good. Very good

All that is appearing is a projection of your own Being. All of this is about you. This is all about You, just not ‘you as a person’. Because somewhere when I say this is all about you, the person wants to feel special and feel good: ‘Yes, this is all about me, I am special’. It is not about that.

We are one Being, we are one Seeing. Very good.

Atma says, “Let all is happening, happen.”  Very good.

Wiebke says, “Love that part with the temperature.”  Yes.

Real subtle tricks of the mind, isn’t it? ‘Now this one has lost all interest in everything else so let’s keep giving them a report of how I’m progressing spiritually’ …, and we buy our spiritual stories now. So don’t be so quick to buy your stories, even if they are spiritual. Very good.

Ananya says, “It seems like it’s been a habit to believe what the thought says”, Yes, “be it spirituality or anything else.” Yes. “Now in this silence, it is crying for more attention.”

You see, now the rubber is really hitting the road for you, isn’t it? This is very good. Now when the intellectual understanding has even been set aside…, because there might have been a time not so long ago where you would have said ‘I understand all of this; I got it’. Now you see that there is nothing to get. And in this silence of nothing to get, no lack, no need then very gently you can see what is really going on. And all these tricks will be seen very clearly now; and with no effort to try and get something, all of this will unfold for you. And there can be no spiritual ego now with this. It’s very good.

[Silence]

Let the mind try as much as it wants. Don’t be so compassionate towards the mind. Just stand your ground and say ‘Let’s see what happens’.

It’s like my daughter she has this new tablet, so on that tablet computer she has this new… some game … where she has a pet cat. And then you’re supposed to feed that cat, you’re supposed to take care of it. So she has been refusing to feed this pet cat and the cat has been crying out for more attention. And then ultimately yesterday she said that ‘I cannot be so mean, so let me feed her something’. So the mind is like this imaginary pet; it’s our imaginary friend, but it is truly not our ally. It only brings misery. So don’t feed this imaginary friend for some time and see what happens.

Louise says, “Father, yesterday I had a tantrum. It came and went just like a child’s.”

Yes.  “There was no holding onto it afterwards although there was thought in the background. The only thing that came, which was a bit sticky was now this (other) person feels there is a problem between us, and how do I approach them next time I see them?”

Ah! I see! So you had a tantrum with another person and now there is a ‘person’ here which feels like something has gone wrong in the relationship and ‘How do I plan the next meeting? What is going to happen?’ There’s a fear about it, or there’s a need to fix it in some way. See, it can get very complicated if we were to deal with issues at this level, at a personal level. ‘What should I say? What should I have done or not done? What can I say now? Should I apologize? Should I not apologize?’ No? All these questions can come. You see? Whether to apologize or not has been also a theme for some time, in the last week. You see?

That is why we have dropped all this complexity now. And you know what I’m going to say next [Laughing], because we have dropped all this complexity, what we have said is ‘Just don’t believe your next thought’ and then let everything unfold as it should. And you might find your mouth saying completely the opposite; and it is all completely fine. It is the guilt or the planning for the future which is more mentally tiring and mentally stressful, isn’t it? As it is, it is going to unfold in exactly the way it is meant to.

All this thinking is needless. So now if you see that it can just be let go of. And these kinds of things they can be sticky. So when we say ‘Don’t believe them’ they seem to come back again. And if this is something really sticky and keeps coming back then it gives you a lot of fodder for enquiry: What is it that is so worried about this relationship? Which identity still exists here? Which identity am I carrying about myself still that I don’t even have a freedom to throw a tantrum? You see? Is there some fear of how I will be perceived?

It gives us so much fodder for beautiful transcending and Self-inquiry. So we can be grateful even for this. Although when I say this, sometimes I know the feeling might come that ‘This is crazy. It was such an unpleasant event, how can he say be grateful even for this?’ Be grateful because it is an opportunity to transcend this. First an opportunity to see that something like this still is here, and then an opportunity to let it go, to let it get released.

Louise says, “Because it just came and went, Father, I did not feel there was a problem at all”. Yes, very good. “But do not know how to approach the person when they feel there is.”

Don’t plan anything. Don’t plan anything at all. The mind will say that ‘If I don’t plan then it will be a static state; it will be a state of limbo. I will not do anything if I do not plan’ is what the mind is saying. But this is not true. There is actually no linkage even between thought and action. You will see that very spontaneously, very automatically something will unfold. Nothing will be left unresolved. Just don’t need to rely on your thoughts for anything. It doesn’t matter what conclusion you come up with in thought.

So even if you were to say that ‘What should I do now?’ And you get some guidance that you must decide now to apologize, see, that means nothing; because what will unfold in the moment when you are together or in communication will just happen on its own anyway. Many times we decide that we will apologize and instead we go and shout at that person more, isn’t it? Many times we decide to get angry with someone and then when we are in their Presence we find that we have said ‘Sorry’.

All of this is happening on its own. It has nothing to do with you except that it is only that it is appearing as a movie for you. But you are not a character in this movie. And any time you try to play the role of the character then it is bound to come with its suffering, because the life of a movie character is very difficult. You see? It is much easier to just watch the movie. Very good.

Aradhana says, “Thank you, Ananta, your response to Louise applied here too.” Yes. Very good. Good.

Ananya says, “There was an expectation that certain kinds of thoughts or judgments shouldn’t come”, yes, “but I saw that this demand was pure arrogance. Who is to say what should or shouldn’t come?” Very beautiful words, very good. “So grateful to life to strip me off completely like this and see it as an opportunity to only look inside.” Very good. “What is still being identified with”   Very nice. Very good.

Aradhana said, “There is a fear here that if I don’t lay the ground rules for sibling’s and my patch-up, will be taken for granted again. Though there is no residue of anger or resentment or anything negative….”

Being can always be taken for granted. Because it never leaves, it has no expectations, it is ever-present. So get used to being taken for granted actually. This is the end of specialness. ‘I’m being taken for granted’ will not bother you now. It’s very good that you bring this up, you see. Don’t have any fear of being taken for granted.

Atma says, “Father, I am just listening to your voice…, eyes closed. Father, I feel like I don’t need to know anything or to understand anything.”  Yes. “There is nothing to hear or to be understood, Father…, just to listen and hear you and melt and give all to you.”

Yes, yes, and this is happening on its own, isn’t it? So even this surrender is not a doing. It will be just a realization that ‘This is what I always was’. Very good.

[Atma], “All I need to do is to let go all and give all to you.” Yes. “Not to collect anything but to leave all. Take all from me, it’s all yours. I just Am.”  Yes.

Whatever you give has been taken that very instant. Very good.

Aradhana says, “Throwing this into the fire of satsang, that I have to pretend to be a ‘person’ even though there is no belief in personhood.” Yes.

You don’t have to pretend to be a person. The Self knows exactly how to behave in any situation. No pretense is required here, no pretending even to be some awakened person. Just let everything flow moment-to-moment. There are no ground rules for the Awake One. There is no code of conduct. But it is seen that all that will flow is completely auspicious; and we will not even identify with these seeming-miracles that will happen around us.

And she adds, “simply because sibling is identified with sister role. Makes no sense. Thrown into the fire.”  Yes.

The supreme intelligence knows how to play all roles. It does not need the mind’s intervention, you see.

Louise says, “This is what I feel, Father. Not to give it any more thought and it will unfold as it will.”  Exactly, very good.  “There was just a thinking about apologizing. But even this doesn’t feel needed.”

Very good, very good. So no guilt, no resentment, no pride, no fear…, just a simple sober Being; pure innocence of Being. Very good.

Naomi says, “Exposing that my mind attaches to criticism of others, particularly my husband, and even though I think I am dropping the next thought resentment still resides within me. It is palpable to others and feelings of shame arise. This Being is struggling with dropping years of hurtful words and resentment. Thank you so much.” Yes.

And this is very natural and common actually. It is very common. This special relationship / partnership… I even said once that this was also my own last bastion, so to speak, because I was refusing to believe thoughts which were happening here, thoughts which were happening for others; but if a thought came up for Garima then there was still some juice in it. And if a thought came up also here about Garima, there was still some juice in it. And I can happily report to you that most of it is gone. And if it can happen here it can happen there also, because my seeing is your seeing. My Sangha is me actually.

This will also go. It will not go completely, but 99.995% exact calculation [Laughing] it will go. You see, this is the relationship with the most juice. This and the children – our relationships with most juice. Therefore it is completely natural for the thoughts to be the most tempting or the most attractive when it is about our partners. But now that you have seen this, and you have even had the courage to expose it in satsang, then you will find that this also will start dissolving very fast. It is very good. I am very happy to see the honesty and integrity in your report. It’s very good.

Atma says, “Yes, even this surrender is not a doing.”  Yes, it is not a doing, it is just a seeing. It is just a realization.”

Ananya says, “The only homework that that the teacher gives us in this Univers(ity) is not to believe the next thought. J ”   Yes. Simple, no?

It’s actually very easy for me to come up with a set of practices; very, very easy. I can give you all different sorts of games to play, all different experiments to do; but again there is potential for the mind to get involved with those, the mind to give reality to those, the mind to start keeping score of how you did in each experiment or practice. So it’s best to keep it simple like this. Very good.

Aradhana says, “Thank you, Ananta, your will be done.”  Very good my dear.

Charles says, “Father, I don’t know how to escape the belief that I’m still deluded.”

But good that you call it a ‘belief.’

[Charles] “I understand the truth in what is spoken. I remind myself of the tricks to stop the mind when it is caught up in thought. There is still belief that delusion exists here because I still feel the individuality, and not the essential nature of the natural Being.”

Then you say, “When I surrender and try to give up and let be, I usually just want to sleep. Then Grace usually steps in with a good kick.”

This is very good. See this sentence: ‘Then Grace usually steps in with a good kick’. To call a kick ‘Grace Itself’ is great beauty. Who can call a good kick Grace? This itself is great beauty. So, now you see that all that is happening is Grace, which is another way of saying that ‘We are grateful and we say thank you for all that is arising’. As my Master says ‘the simplest mantra’. You see?

I want to also look at something you said earlier which was that ‘I still feel the individuality’. And this I am very interested in. You say ‘I still feel the individuality’. So now, can you feel the individuality right now? What does it feel like? So we’ll stay with you for a while because I feel there is something here. So you say ‘I still feel the individuality’. If this is true, can you tell me what it feels like? Where is this individual? What does this individual feel like or look like?

And while you type I’ll just read up the next.

Atma says, “Your Sangha is you, Father.”  Yes. Very good.

Zoe says, “Namaste, beloved Father, just joining for the last fifteen minutes.” Very good.

Naomi says, “So relieved to hear your words that we are You.”  Of course. Very good. “It will all burn away.” Definitely.

Jayani says, “Beloved Father, experiencing satsang flu; fever and pain in the body with lots of fighting and resistance to feeling so terrible. Please take this, Father.”  [Silence]

I’m very happy to take it; very happy. It is all my problem now. Let me deal with it and don’t ask for it back. Don’t say that ‘It is happening to me’. Say that ‘It is all happening to Ananta now’. You cannot find the ‘me’ to which it is happening or you can simply say that ‘It is Ananta’s problem’. Let all that has to appear, appear.  Very good.

Zurim says, “Father, you tell us not to believe the next thought. But that doesn’t mean not to express something that is just coming, isn’t it?”

It doesn’t mean that. All actions can unfold in their beautiful innocence. All actions can unfold. We’re not to believe the interpreter about these actions also, you see. So, to not believe the next thought does not mean that we force ourselves to be in some limbo state or we get into this constant state of Samadhi with no action. When you let go or you don’t believe your next thought, internally you will see that you are in Samadhi but outwardly all the actions could still happen or the words could still be expressed. It is not about renouncing any action at all. Very good.

Then you say, “Because sometimes something just comes and I just let it go. There is something not clear about this.”

Yes. Let everything just come and go. Like the words in this satsang are flowing on their own; there is no preparation, there is no deciding that something will be said or not said. There is no preconception that a particular question will be answered in this way. There is just a trust that everything that is doing all of this knows what it is doing. Being does not need to rely on thought, everything can flow.  Very good.

Charles says, “It’s complicated for me because there is a memory of what ‘essential nature’ felt like, which is complete joy and non-existence, yet at the same time along with the ‘yet I still am’.”

You see, this is the trouble with spiritual experiences; and that’s why we don’t focus so much on spiritual experiences because we start to relate that state; the spiritual experience state as the freedom state, but this is not true. All experiences, all states are coming and going, but inside ‘what’ are they coming and going?

They are all arising inside you and going inside you. This One who witnesses this state which you call the essential nature, and the one that witnesses the state which you call person state …, is the witness of either of these states touched by any state? You see? The One Witness, is that touched also? This you must see; and then you must see whether there is any distance between you and this witnessing. Are you in what is being witnessed or are you in the witnessing itself?

This contemplation you must do. And when this contemplation is done you will find that you are untouched by any state no matter how beautiful or sublime it is. You will be untouched.

You are never that. You are always here. You’re never an appearance no matter how beautiful it is.

This witnessing of this sublime state, as well as the person state; this witnessing is what you are. You see?

Ishani says, “Namaste, Father and Sangha. Got late but good to be here.” Good to have you as well, my dear.

“My mind has set up a contradiction,” Charles says.

It is the mind’s job to keep you confused. Don’t believe anything that the mind is saying: Report from the state of non-belief in any concept. What will you say from here?

Atma says, “Such joy in this understanding that there is nothing to be understood. Just to let go of. Grateful. Beloved Father, at your feet.”  Thank you, my dear

Then Jayani says, “Dearest Father, no sufferer.” Yes. No sufferer. Very good. Love you, too.

Rashmi says, “Can’t listen to audio, but just reading chat is so beautiful. Feel you all in me.”  Very good.  Thank you.

Atma says, “I just feel and see this. I see You came to us and You say: Beloveds, children, my friends, I saw this here in myself.” Yes, yes. “It is an ultimate truth, and you come and see for yourself, find the same truth that I found”, Yes, it’s true. “And we are trusting you. You are our Father and friend. I see it now so simply like children see and feel.”

You see? That’s why Christ said ‘only the babes will find the kingdom of heaven’…, or am I mixing up? [Smiling] So with this childlike innocence you will see the Truth; not with a learned mind, not with an intellectual understanding but this childlike innocence.

Louise is saying, “Today, Father, for the first time among heavy energies which normally give a sense of being completely lost, there was Presence and space and seeing all of these energies.”

This is very good. And this will happen naturally more and more, and all these energies will lose their strength. There are a couple of others also in the Sangha who feel some…, used to feel very strongly these energies and now they are fading away completely. It’s all going to be just fine. Very good.

Atma says, “Such joy in my heart, such joy realizing what we are really doing here.”  Very good. “So happy. Love you all.”  Love you too, my dear.

Zurim says, “I see now. There is also a huge fear here to the possibility of being rejected. This is what has been coming for me these days after the retreat with Guruji. [Mooji]”

Yes. But Guruji cannot reject you, you see? This fear like all fears is completely unfounded. But again, I completely understand what you are saying because there is memory here of what used to happen here also. So I understand where this is coming from completely.

You will become so fearless. You will become so fearless that even if Moojiji shouts at you or gets angry with you, you will feel only love which is coming, because that is the true position. Even if externally to others it might seem that the Master is being strong with you, you will wonder what the fuss was about because you will see only love. But this feeling is natural, don’t feel that it should not be there. But I can tell you from my own experience that it will mean nothing. This will also go. This is just the way it plays out, you see? It’s very natural.

Louise says, “A sense of my true Self among these energies,”   Yes.  “which is normally not recognized.”  This is very beautiful. Very good, my dear. I’m very happy.

You see, all of it plays out in this way. Sometimes when you get angry or what you call the tantrum or some resistance or anger…, even against the Master could come. But a True Master will always welcome it because it is the releasing of these energies which have been your companions for so long. It is very good.

Zurim says, “So it feels like mind has been using all these spiritual instructions to hide this fear of being rejected.”  That’s very good.

As long as you stay in satsang, nothing will stay repressed; no tricks of the mind will not be seen through. All will be burned in the fire of satsang. This is very good.

Jayani says, “There is a seeing that the body is nothing more than a modulation of Awareness.”  Yes.  “An arising sensation, can’t put into words but it is like I have no real physical body; the world is my body.”

Yes, the Universe is the body of Being. The Universe is the body of God. Very good. And all these insights will flow. Very good.

Then we will not be concerned with what is happening in this particular body. Of course you can continue to be compassionate towards it. If it needs some help you can take it to a doctor, even take medicine; nothing wrong with any of that. You will just not confuse it to be you. It will always be seen to be a beautiful innocent instrument, that’s all.

Jayani says, “This is usually followed by a period of sickness and identification. Just exposing and placing all in the fire.”  This is good.  “There is no cause and effect. Don’t know if this makes sense.”  Yes, it does.

And you will stop tracking these patterns also. What will happen is that…, this is another form of taking the temperature, right? We keep taking our temperature; and this flows very well with the discussion we had today. So you will not remember also that is this what happened last time to the body? You will not even remember. Very good.

Ananya says, “All these years, there was a tendency to be influenced by what the world said or considered to be true.”

I find it very funny when she says ‘all these years’. She is just twenty one, you see.

[She says], “All these years”… How many years?! [Smiles] “…there was a tendency to be influenced by what the world said or considered to be true. Now I see and know with so much conviction and love, that only your words have brought me out of suffering.”  Very good.

Who can say such beautiful words at such a young age?

This is a beautiful reminder to all of us that it is not the body’s age which is important. So even though the body might be only twenty-one there can be such beautiful unfolding that can happen. Very good.

And she says, “I am home, mentally, psychologically, in every other way. I love you so much, Father. Resting at your feet.”  Very good my child. Very good.

Charles says, “How does one know one is free?”

When in the moment, right now, you are not able to find any bondage. Show me one thing that binds you now? And if you cannot find the bondage, then you are free.

So either you show me your chains, either you show me what binds you, or you hear my words that: ‘You are constantly ever-free. You have never been bound. You can only pretend to be bound, you can only pretend to be a person by believing in thoughts; it doesn’t actually bind you. You are the Self. Self cannot be bound’.

Atma says, “Crying is happening; visible feeling. Just tears, tears.” So much love, my dear.

Kapil says, “Thank you, Charles. Your questions are showing me my doubts as well.”

All will be burned in the fire of satsang. All that is untrue will be exposed and will be left behind here. Just keep showing up in satsang and you will see that none of this will be left behind. Good.

Zurim says, “Thank you. Beloved Father, let nothing remain. So much love.”  So much love to you too, my dear. You are right there in the lap of God. All is perfect.

So much love, Soham.  So much love. One heart, yes. One Being, one Heart, yes.

Denan says, “Thank you, I trust you completely, let nothing here remain.” Very good. Very good.

Jayani says, “Yes, Father, thank you. Can see now how this is ‘taking temperature’. All nothing.”  Very good, my dear, very good.

Ananya says, “It does feel like a lifetime, Father.”

Girija is also here. She says, “Thank you, Anantaji. Your presence is a blessing. Pranams.”  Namaste to you, too. Good.

Charles says, “Sorry for… <censored> Sure I could supply many of them.”

I would like to hear these. If you can tell me how you are bound right now, without referring to past story or future projection…, if you can show me how you are bound right now without referring to any past story or future projection, this will be good for me to hear as well.

Thank you, Prema, dearest One. Good.

Thank you, Ishani.

Jayani says, “Nothing binds me, nothing touches this; never born, always here. Untouched.”  Beautiful scripture your words are now. Very good.

Louise says, “Father, I feel Bhaktiness coming here. My heart truly feels like it is opening up.” Very beautiful.  “So grateful, Father. Love you so much.” I love you too my child, very much. Very good. Very, very good.

Zoe says, “Such joy here, Father, in all sorts of circumstances. Eternal gratitude for your Grace. At your holy feet.”  Thank you, my dear. Thank you so much.

Thank you all so very much. Thank you, thank you.

Ishani says, “That’s the sweetest thing I have heard; Bhaktiness.”  Yes.

First time I have heard that word; Bhaktiness. It’s very nice.

Very good. Good. Okay, no more energy to read here. [Ustream had changed something, and during satsangs lately the chat stream has been jumping, not staying in one place or easy at all to read, and Ananta was having a hard time reading from the chat.]

Very good. Thank you all so very much for joining in Satsang today.

Moojiji ki jai! [Namaste] Pranam. [Blows a kiss and waves]

Sangha: Moojiji ki Jai ! Anantaji ki Jai !  Thank you. Love you.

Namaste everyone, a very warm welcome to satsang today. Moojiji ki Jai.

Thank you all so very much for joining in; and if this is your first time in satsang, the way to ask questions is through the chat window.

Much love. Welcome. Jasminder is also here, welcome. Big welcome to all of you.

So what can convince you that you are not free? One big seeming obstacle on the path seems to be that we start with this perspective that we are bound. And this is a perspective which is untrue. [Nisargadatta] Maharaj had once said that when we read the Gita, the Bhagavad Gita, the holy conversation between Krishna and Arjuna, we always read it from Arjuna’s perspective. But if you were to read the Bhagavad Gita from Krishna’s perspective that would be something else, wouldn’t it?

So why it is that we continue to identify more with the seeker rather than as Consciousness? Because this seeker we cannot even find, and Consciousness is ever-present. So what would we rather associate with first? It would be much better if we start with associating with this Being; and from this Being, then listen to all knowledge and to read all scriptures.

Come in satsang as Being itself.

What does this mean? It means that the voice that is trying to convince you that you are a person.., this voice must be kept aside; belief must be withdrawn from this voice.

So what are you attending satsang as? Are you attending satsang as a seeker, or are you attending satsang as Being itself?

Zoe says, “Identifying as anything other than the seeker would feel like arrogance. But this is just mind-nonsense, isn’t it?”

Yes, sort of, sort of. Because we feel to identify with the seeker. Then first, can we identify where the seeker is? And if you cannot, and even if you have trouble identifying or seeing that this Being is ever-present, then let’s come as nothing. Let’s come completely open and empty then. We do not need to carry the seeker perspective to find freedom. You see?

And I’m saying all of this to you because most of you have been in a few satsangs now. For a first-timer, it might seem a little strong or confusing because such strong identification is there now with the seeker mindset. So if we find the seeker, then we can say ‘Okay, I’ll identify as the seeker and that’s how I’m coming to satsang’. But if it cannot be found, then come completely empty. Just the beautiful ‘I don’t know’ is also very helpful. Even if you come with the mindset that ‘I don’t know what I am. I cannot find what I am’ then it’s a simple pointing to find the Being which is ever-present. You see?

Yes, and the mind will say actually…, the mind will say ‘This is arrogance. Of course you’re a seeker’ it will say. But you WHO? You see? This ‘you’ does not exist. It’s a subtle point, but it’s important; because of so much identification with this seeker, so much grasping for the truth, so much neediness to find answers. Who is this one that is seeking? There is never a seeker.

Very good. Namaste. Namaste, everyone. Very good.

Because the seeker of the truth will not find the answer, because the answer will always be that ‘No such seeker existed’. Hmmm? So if there is a fear to drop the seeker identity because you feel that ‘Without the seeker I will not find the answer’ then it is not true.

In the final stage, it is the seeker identity which is actually getting dissolved. Because if you go with any conditioning, any identity, then you will find meaning in what is speaking to that identity. You see? If you trust any identity or if you identify with any identity, when our mind’s voice comes it seems to be relevant to this identity; we’ll find meaning in that and hence our belief will go to that.

Okay, let’s catch up on some chat.

Zoe says, “I feel like I’m sitting in the same room with you today, Beloved Ananta.”  So beautiful. Very good, my dear, very good.

Ajnani says, “Neither bound nor boundless. There is no Ajnani, no seeker, no enlightenment, no goal, nothing has to be achieved; it is just appearing, but it is not happening to anyone.”

Your words now are beginning to sound like the Avadhuta Gita, The Song of the Avadhut. Very good.

Vivi says, “There is nothing to seek for.”  Very good.

Lizelle says, “Dropped the seeker, but still holding ‘beginner’s mind’ or ‘I know nothing’.

Yes, but this ‘holding’ is not a holding. If you’re forcing a holding that ‘I know nothing, I know nothing’ then again it is another concept that ‘I know nothing’. Once we have withdrawn our belief from thoughts, then this ‘I know nothing’ is automatic; that ‘I know nothing that is from intellect, I know nothing that is just knowledge, just conceptual’. Then true knowledge emerges from this not knowing, which is to see that Being is here now. To see that Being is here now is not an intellectual knowing, is not a conceptual knowing. And it is next to impossible to explain.

You see? So this is the true knowledge of the Self, to see that ‘I am aware now’ is the true knowing of the Self. But it is not an intellectual knowing. So we can still say ‘I know nothing’. I can say ‘I know nothing’ but in another way I can say ‘I know that I cannot be anything but this Awareness itself. It has been seen, it has been confirmed. There can be no doubts left now’.

Ishani says, “Yes, Father, there was a feeling of disorientation recently as I couldn’t find the seeker itself, in which I escaped and hid and enjoyed a lot.”  Yes.

It becomes a comfort-zone; it becomes very comfortable that ‘I am the seeker. I am a spiritual seeker’. And also, there’s a sense of specialness about it, you see? It comes, the specialness comes. So now that we cannot even find the seeker, it can feel like it’s a bit disorienting. Yes. But if we can manage even this little bit of discomfort, then we will see that this is your final step to freedom. No identity now remains. Very good.

Aryev says, “I have often wondered, if the Consciousness is one, then why / how it’s able to have so many viewpoints (persons)?”  Yes.

So the light of the movie projector is one; one light, one source, one bulb, or whatever is the source of this light, you see, so one Consciousness is like this, but so many characters get projected. So many characters get projected. So when you have a dream, are there not so many people in the dream? All these people are coming up in the light of your own Consciousness. So where do all these viewpoints in the dream come from? It comes from your Being, isn’t it? So we’re able to see it as reality when we talk about the dream state, you see? But we’re not able to see it as reality when we talk about it as the waking state. But actually there is no difference between dream state and waking state. We could be having this satsang in a dream, and you could wake up now and say ‘I had such a strange dream and Ananta was talking about dreams’. You see?

It’s okay, even if this seems completely real. If this phenomenal world seems completely real, even that is fine. So I’m not arguing about that. But in this phenomenal world also we cannot find a ‘person’. So when we talk about viewpoints of the person, can we find any person? It just does not exist.

Wiebke says, “Never understood this ‘with the seeker identity’. Never felt like that. But now I see where the seeker was.”

It was pretending to be You; or rather, more accurately, You were pretending to be that.

Amaya says, “Almost seems like a fine line between seeker identity (which we have seen as untrue) and yet staying vigilant (to know it is all only THIS moment; to not be premature and say ‘have arrived’ anywhere)?”  Yes.

So, not to pick up any other identity; this is a good point. So, many will say ‘Okay, now I’ve dropped the seeker identity; and I will pick up the identity of an enlightened Being. I will say that I am free or I am special’. Truly realizing your Self, it must be seen that there is nothing special in this. It must be seen that ‘This is all I ever was, and therefore, this is all just One Being playing out like this’.

So, all identities inherently come with a sense of specialness, with a sense of separation. So it’s good to be vigilant and to see whether now ‘I’ve picked up another identity’…, even a glorious identity like a Self-realized soul or something like that. No need to associate, identify with any identity now, and be completely free.

Charles says, “So beautiful, Anantaji. I prepared a question for the first time, in case you asked, and it was if any words could be spoken about the removal of the ‘hats’ of the seeker and the sufferer. I’m done with them. In the fire they go. Thank you.”  Very good. This is very good.

It is always found in satsang that our questions seem to be getting answered, isn’t it? Very good.

Vivi says, “I enjoy so very much this beauty and Presence of your holy company, but without you everything is well, too. There is enormous gratitude and joy of being here at your feet.”  Yes. It is very good.

So this relationship of love is not based on any need. When you find me in your Heart when you’re not in the company, then also you see that I am there. Very good.

Cornelia says, “Last night I went to Bangalore, and took an elevator to the satsang hall. It was a beautiful projection, Ananta.”

Yes. You do have to take an elevator to the satsang hall, this is good.

Aryev says, “I see. Thank you for making it so clear.”  Very welcome, my dear.

Zoe says, “I used to think ‘If we are all One, how do I not know what other people are thinking?’ But is this just part of the play?”

What you’re not aware of does not exist.

This can seem a bit confusing, so let’s use the dream analogy again. In the dream that you have tonight, another character will come and say that ‘I am thinking this about you’. So you hear these words, and these words seem real because they appeared in your awareness. But really, this other character, did he actually think those thoughts? No. It does not exist. All that exists phenomenally is all that exists for you. It is all about You.

All of us are dream-characters which are appearing for You…, just a projection of your own Consciousness.

See, the person wants to become the center of the Universe. If you see all the personal desires, all the personal motives are to become more and more special, more and more special so that the ego becomes the center of the Universe. It is only trying to replicate what is reality. It is only a false replica of reality. And reality is that: You, your True Self, is where the whole Universe arises. It is all about You.

And we don’t have to force these insights. Because what we are talking about now is way  beyond the mind. But all these insights will become clearer and clearer to you in your true intuitive understanding of what is going on.

So, it’s not all about you-as-a-person…, but it is all about You-as-Consciousness, as Awareness.

Rashmi says, “The last two weeks, there was a seeing of taking comfort in the relationship identities, the closest ones. Surrendering them at your feet.”

Natural love flowing, natural affinities with relationships, is absolutely fine. We have never said that you must renounce anything at all. So this natural flow is never needy, is never clingy, is never desperate. But if you sense this sort of need, clingy-ness, desperation, then you see the potential for suffering in them, and you surrender them in satsang. This is good.

Stacy says, “I also had a beautiful dream last night of being in India and in satsang with you.”  Very good. “Felt so real.”  Yes. Good.

Cornelia says, “Oh, didn’t know about the elevator.”   [Laughs]. Can you tell us which floor you came up to? What fun.

Ustreamer8933 says, “I love you, Ananta. This time, crossing over to where you are is now here in the Heart. We send our love. Sahaja and Meru.”  Very wonderful to see you both. Very good. So happy to see you both. Very good.

Wiebke says, “A lot of offers to identify are here. But at your feet, all is well. So grateful.”

This is so well-put. These are all offers. [Gestures with hands like juggling balls]. The salesman is giving us all these offers, and we have all these ‘value sales’ that are happening in India, you see? Like that big sales that are happening during Christmas time in the Western countries, the same way we have all these e-commerce sales which are going on…, and it is attracting so much attention; because the mind is geared towards these offers. So I like the way Wiebke has put it very much.

Every thought is actually an offer. It is offering you some meaning. And we feel that some meaning will come from these offers. But no meaning is actually to be found in these. And that is why, like she is doing, it is very beautiful to surrender it. You see, you say it like this: Every thought is actually offering some meaning. It’s trying to pretend to be useful, you see, so we stay addicted to this drug of thoughts. It is offering the feeling of feeling special. Belief in the thought…, we believe it because we feel like it is something which will be useful and it will make me special.

So if you’re able to see now that this is just the snake-oil salesman who is making offers when we say we are not to buy. ‘My wallet is with the Master now; cannot buy any offers.’ That is what it means to surrender to the Master. We lose the ability to buy any of these deals which are being offered.

Zoe says, “I just burst into laughter when I heard your answer, beloved Father, and then the tears came. So much love.”  Welcome tears. Very good. So much love to you, too.

Vivi says, “It is good to be here. I love you.”  I love you, too, my dear. Very good.

Shinein says, “Not that long ago in time it was only a dream in which the seeker seemed to mature, and the seeker came to satsang,”   You see?  “Now it is known this ghost-seeker was only dissolving and satsang is ever-present in my waking state.” Very beautiful words! Look at this. “Satsang at work, at the gym, with the family; all day.”

Very beautiful. Like I said, in a few satangs, your words will begin to sound like scripture; with no sense of specialness or arrogance, but such a beautiful perfume of Being. I want to read this again: Shinein says, “Not that long ago in time it was only a dream in which the seeker seemed to mature, and the seeker came to satsang, Now it is known this ghost-seeker was only dissolving, and satsang is ever-present in my waking state.” How beautiful. “Satsang at work, at the gym, with the family; all day.” Beautiful simplicity. Beautiful report. Thank you so much.

Soham says, “This should be a quote, Father. ‘It’s all about You actually; just not you as a person’.”  Yes. This is a nice one. This could be a quote.

Aradhana says, “Aristotle or Plato said ‘I go to the marketplace just to see all the things I don’t need.”  [Laughs]. Yes. “Same with mind; marketplace of things I don’t need.  J )

Very beautiful. And I will steal this from you. I have a feeling that this will be used often: ‘Mind is a marketplace of things I don’t need’. Very nice.

Very good. I feel such a strong Presence of truth in your reports now. It feels like I’m surrounded with the sangha of Sages; the sangha of One Being. [Eyes closed; blissful face]. Very beautiful.

“Another quote. Hehe.”  Yes, Soham.

Yes, Lizelle says, “Rumis – all of you.”  Yes.

[Silence, gazing lovingly into camera]. Very beautiful to hear that now even this seeker identity is dissolving. And when it is truly dissolving…, you see, most other identities get replace by another identity. This identity, when it is going, can either get replaced with nothing at all, pure emptiness…, just a remnant of the burnt rope. Or it gets replaced by the spiritual ego. You see? But if you stay in satsang then there is no room here…, it will not happen that you end up as a spiritual ego. You will keep dropping that head over and over.

Ajnani says, “Last night in my dream, I saw Moojiji and he was laughing and making jokes and enjoying life.”  Yes, he does. [Laughs]. It’s so much fun. It’s so much fun.

Zoe says, “Before I knew anything about seeking, I used to have many lucid dreams, and I would wake up almost in tears and longing; and now my life is transforming into one amazing lucid dream. Not always chocolate flavored experiences,”   Yes. “but amazing nevertheless. At your holy feet.”  Very beautiful.

Ginger says, “I love you is all I know.” I love you too, my dear.

Clare says, “Giving you my wallet, Anantaji. The thought police are snapping and insistent. Putting all this apparent struggle at your feet.”

Yes. Give me the struggle. No struggle is required. It is appearing; you will see that it is not happening to you. It is just another appearance. Nothing is happening to you. So just give me your wallet. Don’t go for any of these offers. Very good.

Amaya says, “Father, can you speak about this more; what you began satsang with. What keeps us from knowing ‘it is done’ or willing to know it? It is done, yet so afraid to live as if it is done; like it’s better to be vulnerable, open, ‘still not done’. Surrendering this.”

Yes. But in this also, there seems to be the sense that there is someone who is living life; someone who is living life in a certain way. So someone who is living life in the ‘seeker’ way or someone who is living life in the ‘it is done’ way. You see? Realize that there is no separate one who is living life. So then it is seen that there is nothing to be done, because I was never the doer anyway. No person can live a life, because no person has existed; but then we see that life is living itself. You see?

So you said ‘What keeps us from knowing it is done or willing to know it?’ Nothing keeps it from you because now you’re letting go of all the belief in thought. So it can be said that ‘Only if there is belief in thought, then there will be this doubt that it is done or not done’. When this ‘it is done’ also becomes meaningless or ‘left undone’ becomes meaningless, because it is seen that ‘I am only ever the Self’. The only thing that keeps us, if at all, is only this belief, or this imagination and this belief that we are the impossible one.

You see, you say ‘It is done, but so afraid to live as if it is done’. So this perspective that ‘I must live in a certain way’ will also go. And every moment will be lived fresh; on its own, with no concern about the outcome. You see, this was the basic message of the Bhagavad Gita, the basic message of Karma Yoga. There is no discrepancy between what we say here and with Karma Yoga, because when we see that life is living completely fresh in the moment, then how can there be any fear of outcome? So the only one who needs to be dropped is this one who believes that life can be done in a certain way. You see?

Very good. You say, “It seems so silly now. Thank you.”  Yes. But it’s completely fine, you see, completely fine to share what is coming up in satsang so it can just be burnt. It is very good. Very welcome.

Vivi says, “There cannot be fear.”

There can be fear as an appearance. But it cannot be ‘my fear’. You see? All emotions are now free to come, just like all thoughts are now free to come and go; emotions feel like they are here to come, and they seem to stay a little longer than thoughts. We’re not to resist them; we’re not to push them or push them away to go. So momentarily some fear can arise, and it might even stay sometimes, but you know it is not about You; so then you will not buy the interpretation about it. You will say ‘I will not buy these offers’. You will not say ‘Oh, I must not be really free. I must be only pretending because fear is still coming.’ All this is the nonsense which will be dropped. But all emotions can come.

Clare says, “The impossible one here is dancing on hot coals.”  Yes.

See, this is the audition. This is the audition of the impossible one, of the ego. Some of you who are new in satsang, know that the ‘impossible one’ that we refer to is the ego, because it is not possible for it to exist. It never existed. It is just pretense. It is just imagination. So now it can pull all kinds of tricks as auditions; as my Master says ‘It is auditioning for your attention’. So then if you keep tracking what it is doing, if you keep taking the temperature of this impossible one, then it knows that it can keep playing like this. Let it do whatever it wants. You stay as the Self.

Amaya says, “Yes. Sadness is rain, reaction is lightening, thunder is anger; all pass.” She says, ‘Sadness is rain, reaction is lightening, thunder is anger; all pass’. “Sky is truly always here.”   Very good.

You see? The sky is untouched by any of this. This is beautiful. Now another quote here; today is quotes day from the sangha…, to say that the sky is always untouched, no matter which cloud is passing through. No matter which thoughts are coming and going, which appearance is coming and going, Awareness remains forever untouched and free; just like the sky or space is untouched by any of these appearances.

She says, “Sky is truly always here. It’s realizing none of it determines freedom, isn’t it?” None of these appearances determine freedom, absolutely. “…‘Freedom should be only clear sky’ idea…, am putting it into the fire.”

Yes, to presume that freedom should only be clear skies, that’s what she’s saying. ‘Freedom means only clear skies’ is a trap that many fall into. This is a good way to put it. Don’t expect freedom only to be clear skies. Allow all clouds to come: that is freedom. Knowing that you are untouched. That’s why we say that ‘Freedom is not a state’. Freedom is the allowing of all states to arise and go, without getting attached to any of them. This is very good.

Shinein says, “Yes, for a moment in thought, the seeker was elusive. But it always left a trail of bread crumbs with a stench of arrogance. That arrogance gave it away.” Yes, you can smell the arrogance, isn’t it? You can smell the ‘person’. This is very good.

He says, “It is humorous how a thought reveals itself only when observed and let go of.” Yes. “Your pointing is a bulls-eye. Thank you so much.”  You’re very welcome, my dear. “Grateful. So much love.”  So much love to you, too, my dear. Good.

Very beautiful reading your words today.

Ishani says, “I can see now how any identity or the mind could never comprehend this, which is so simple and just here. Not even the seeker, because as Being there is not even seeking, which was just an entertainment.”  Yes. It’s very good.

Aryev says, “Awesome.”

Yes. What awesome words. Very good. All of you, such awesome, beautiful words. Very good.

See, it’s not just about the words. Because I’m not concerned so much about the contents of the words, but I can smell where they’re coming from. And now your words come from this Presence, this Being. That’s what makes it so beautiful for me. So it doesn’t matter whether it’s great English, or like Shakespeare, or it’s very, very normal, regular language; even bad grammar I don’t mind. But I can smell the sense of Being, the Presence of Being in all your words, which is very beautiful. Good. Very good.

Clare says, “Thank you. Smiling. It’s funny when you say about the auditioning, and all of it is only imagined.” Completely.  “I give you my thermometer, too.”  Very good. Good.

Very good. This is a very important step, you see? Because for a long time, as a seeker, we keep looking for progress. We keep looking for what’s appearing and what’s not appearing. We keep measuring how much peace or bliss is here, or how much anger and resentment came. Now we have dropped the thermometer also. Then only the present, fresh, is here. No concern for anything at all. Very good.

Ajnani says, “Gratitude for your graceful words, and for your putting it in a very simple way; for your Presence.”  Thank you so much. “Bowing at your feet. So much love.” So much love to you, too, my dear. Very good.

Wiebke says, “See this thought energy coming first, going after it, and then there is the habit to label them to be able to not believe them.”

See, you’re capturing all the subtle tendencies now. Very good. See, we have this habit to label them and say ‘Now I want to let go of my angry thought. Now I want to let go of my resentment. Now I want to let go of my feeling left out’. You see? All this we have this habit of labeling, and then saying ‘Okay, now I’m letting go of this’. But we see that the labeling itself was a needless step; and the labeling itself gives it some meaning. So it is very good to see this habit.

And then you say, “All this is not needed at all.”  Very good. “Just at your feet. So much love.”  So much love to you too, my dear.

[Silence]. Satsang itself seems like such a beautiful dream today, isn’t it? Pure Being is speaking through all of you.

Aradhana says, “Fresh is here, sangha-tagline.” [Laughs]. Exactly. Yes. Always fresh.

Clare says, “All labeling here, too, at your holy feet.”  Very good.

Ginger says, “I have never spoken a word.”  Very good.

Jayani says, “Father, just to expose sometimes the thought comes and is believed in that ‘I don’t know what Awareness is, and need to be stable in it’. All nonsense, yet hooks the seeker identity.”  Yes.

This is good.  So we can see that…, I will show you what Awareness is right now. I will show all of you what Awareness is right now; or actually, you will show yourself what Awareness is right now. But don’t expect to see something phenomenal. It is not an object which you will see.

So if you want to show yourself what Awareness is right now, then I ask you this question: Are you aware now?

And I know what your answer will be; unless you hand over the question to your mind, your answer will always be ‘Yes. I am completely aware now’.

So it is seen very clearly by you that Awareness is here. This is Awareness being aware of awareness. This is the simplest way, the simplest way. Awareness being awareness.

But the mind will say ‘I did not see anything at all’. But if you did not see anything at all, then why did you confirm ‘Yes’. It is clear; the answer is really clear to you that ‘Awareness is here. I am aware now’. The mind is expecting to see an object, but Awareness is not an object. The first phenomenal birth is the Immaculate Conception of Being itself, this Being that you cannot stop. This Presence is the first phenomenon which can be perceived or witnessed by Awareness itself. So That, which knows even this Being, is Awareness.

So, let’s look at the second part, which she says ‘…and I need to be stable in it’. ‘Need to be stable in it’. Actually, you cannot be moved from it. So the hard work would be not to be stable in it. [Laughs]. You can never not be this Awareness. You can never become anything else, even if you tried your hardest; even if you tried your hardest to be unstable as Awareness. So to ‘be stable in it’ only means that You are always This, to confirm that You are always This. It is not a ‘doing’. It is just a ‘seeing’.

Can any of you become a person and show me? Stop being aware; stop awareness for a minute, and just become the body and show me, or become the imagined person and show me. Stop now. Can you do it? This awareness is what you are; it cannot be stopped. It is the Eternal One.  Good.

Zoe says, “Yes, a beautiful dream, satsang. So much love, beloved sangha.”  Yes, a beautiful, beautiful satsang.

Adam says, “Sitting happily in your Presence.”  Very good, my dear. Thank you for your Presence as well.

Kapil says, “You are too sweet.”  You are too sweet, too, my dear. Good.

Jayani says, “It’s total nonsense, Father.”  Yes. “Just mind. Can never not be This.”  Very good. “Just wanted to expose its insanity.”  I know. It’s very good.

I see You only as the Self. It’s very good.

Ishani says, “Thank you, Father. I love you so much.”  I love you too, my dear. Good.

Ajnani says, “Yes, very beautiful dream-satsang, and Satguru is playing the character of Ananta and is amazingly making wake up the other dream characters.”  Yes. “This dream character at your feet.” [Laughs]. Very good to hear these words. Amazing.

Prema says, “Feeling such emptiness, Father. Witnessing this.”

Yes. Very beautiful. You are just marinating in this. I get that sense from your silence. Very beautiful. Very good.

Aryev says, “Awareness, Beingness, ‘Who Am I?’ …, I Am, Consciousness, full-nothingness, bliss, ananda…, all words point to the same thing: I Am-ness. The ‘mool maya’ as Nisargadatta Maharaj ji says.”  Yes.

We can say Beingness, I Am-ness, Consciousness, bliss, ananda…, all point to this ‘I Am-ness’…, Beingness, Consciousness, bliss, ananda all point to this ‘I Am-ness’.

But Awareness…, ‘Who am I?’ …, full-nothingness…, these words actually point to That which is aware of even this Presence ‘I Am’.

You see, when we say ‘Can you stop being now?’ there is an awareness even that there is this Being here. And this Being is present in the waking state or the dream state, whatever we call it; it just is not present in deep sleep. Yes, this Awareness is aware even that deep sleep exists. If you were to fall asleep now, you would know that you fell asleep. So this Awareness is aware even of the absence of Beingness, that ‘I lost consciousness, and now consciousness is back’. Only from this Awareness can this be reported. So ultimately it is the same Awareness which is all-that-is and it modulates itself to this Consciousness, Beingness.

So all is this One Awareness. And even the Immaculate conception, Being, Atma, Consciousness…, whatever word your want to use, this is born from this pure Awareness itself. It is very good. So all phenomenal existence then comes from this pure Being I Am. Very good.

Aradhana says, “Beautiful, Ajnani.”  Yes.

Thank you, Denan. Hope you’re having a good time with the others as well. So much love to all of you.

Soham says, “So much love, Father.”  Thank you, my dear. So much love.

So much love, Lizelle.

Thank you, Cornelia. “It was the 5^th-6^th floor,” she says. [Laughs]. Yes. We’re on the 8^th floor, but that is close.

Naomi says, “Beautiful. So grateful for the poetic seeing of Being. So much love.” So much love to you, too. Very good.

Thank you, Amaya. Thank you so much.

Zurim says, “Father, everything is on fire here. Emotions, thoughts, old patterns are coming up constantly. Letting all go at your holy feet.”

Yes, let it all come and get burnt. And don’t have any interest also in what is coming up. Just stay as the Self. It can seem a bit unsteady at times, you see? Because now all that identity is getting burnt so it can seem…, it’s natural for it to seem a little unsteady at first. You just hold my hand and stay. Don’t give any attention and belief to all of this. Don’t even track where something is coming from. Just let it come and go. It’s all just coming and going. Very good.

Thank you, Shinein. Thank you, Cornelia. Thank you so much. So much love, Stacy, Jayani. Thank you, Aryev. Thank you very much.

Ishani says, “Feel like we are all like children, skipping into a heaven of beauty, love and freedom. At the feet of the whole sangha.”  Very beautiful.

So much love, Adam. So much love, Zoe. Thank you, Wiebke. Thank you so much. So much love, Ajnani and Vivi as well.

“We’re all truly blessed dream characters,” Vivi says. Yes.

Thank you all so much for a beautiful satsang today.

Moojiji ki Jai ! [Namaste].

Yes, Ustreamer6630 says, “I leave my tension today at your feet.” Yes, very welcome to leave it here. It is not your problem now. Very good.

Thank you, thank you, thank you. [Blows kiss and waves].

Sangha: Moojiji ki Jai ! Anantaji ki Jai ! Thank you. Love you.

Q: Father, it feels like the natural simplicity of innocence before thought becomes idolized.

This is very well said. The simplicity and innocence that the children have; the small children. There is no future for them. They don’t think about the past. They’re completely in the moment. And when pain comes they cry. Pain goes away, they stop crying; and forget about the pain also…, this momentary living in complete neutrality. It’s very beautiful.

So ‘natural simplicity of innocence before thought becomes idolized’.

Q: Feels funny that after all this knowledge-collecting to find truth, in the end, none of it was ever needed.

It can be said like that, but [Nisargadatta] Maharaj also said that ‘All this knowledge acts like blows of the hammer’. There’s so much conditioning. You see, the tree has become now strong; the tree of thought, the tree of ego. So it might need many knocks from the axe; many hits of the axe to make it fall. And once it has fallen, the axe can be thrown away. Once the tree of ego has fallen, then the axe can be thrown away. But until then, this axe is very useful.

So this knowledge, this axe, was removing all this conditioning. It was removing the nutrients from this tree. It was taking away the strength of the tree of the ego. And it is true that once the tree has fallen then you don’t have to hold onto the axe. The axe can be also thrown away.

Q: So much trying and control has been seen here. Trying to control thoughts and states that are not comfortable. Contradictory thoughts about what I have to do or not to do in order to be what I am.

And you say ‘it has been seen’. Once it has been seen, then there is a distance from it. The minute we say that something has been seen, we see that there is a distance between ‘me’ and what is ‘being seen’. It is seen that ‘I am the Awareness itself. I’m the Witnessing of all of this. And although all of this arises within me, it cannot be called ‘me’. At best it can be called ‘a part of me’. It can be called ‘an appearance inside me’. But it does not make it ‘me’; because I am much more glorious’. You are much more glorious than this appearance.

This is very good. Just be in this Witnessing perspective and all will be allowed to come and go, and you will not be able to identify the ‘you’ which is involved in all of this. Even now, can you find the ‘you’ which is trying? Where is this ‘you’? Can you try now?

Find the one who is trying. Try this now. And if this one doesn’t exist, then how can this one control anything? All the stories are the stories about this ‘impossible one’. How could it have been that something is separate from God? How would this miracle happen? What magic would separate you from God and make you ‘a separate me’? And without believing your thoughts you will realize that it never happened.

In any moment that you’re checking, looking for yourself, you will never find this ‘me’. You might find some thoughts. You might find some residual feelings or energies; but the interpreter comes and says ‘these are yours’ or ‘this is about you’. But it cannot show you where you are. So when it says that: ‘This bad feeling is about you’: ‘This confusion is about you’: ‘This controlling is about you’; ask ‘Which you are you talking about?’

We often say this that ‘This wrong number has come’, and we refuse to ask: ‘Who’s speaking?’ And we also refuse to ask: ‘Who are you talking to?’ Even to ask one of these questions is the end of suffering. At least ask one of these questions, it is the end of suffering. When this voice speaks, find out who it is, or find out who it is talking to.

Namaste everyone, a very warm welcome to satsang today. Moojiji ki Jai.

Thank you very much, everyone, for joining in. And if this is your first time in satsang, the way to ask questions is through the chat window. Namaste. Welcome, welcome, welcome.

I was saying yesterday that it is Supremely Simple Satsang. Supremely simple satsang. Just don’t believe your next thought. It is as simple as that. Nothing else is truly needed. All insights…, everything that must come will come. So the rest of it is only dealing with the, like I was jokingly saying, dealing with the; ‘but, but, but…, this happened’. ‘But, but, but.., this’. ‘But what about this?’

But you also see now that none of it is real actually. It is just the old conditioning coming back in the form of this doubt; in the form of this ‘condition’ for your own Freedom. But your Freedom is now ‘unconditional’. Nothing has ever really happened. Very good.

Loney says, “I am not able to stop crying now.”

Not able to scroll up and read the messages. It jumps straight back down. So either there’s something wrong with my computer or the chat has changed.

Ajnani says, “One scripture, one teaching from Ananta. ‘Let go of your next thought’.”

Yes, and now we made it even simpler. Isn’t it? Because many would come back and say ‘I’m not able to let go’ or ‘What is the meaning of this Let Go?’ Now we made it even simpler: Simply don’t believe your next thought. In this much, it is enough. If you don’t believe your next thought you cannot show me any suffering. Pain will come and pain will go. Joy will come and joy will go. Anger will come and anger will go. All this will come and go; but without the belief in the ‘interpreter’, you will not suffer.

Shanti says, “Okay, thanks for the simple satsang. See you in the next one.” [Laughs] and she says, “No, I just want to be in your presence.”

So just in this ‘giving up belief in the next thought’ now actually, if this is taken to heart, then no more words are required in satsang. No more words are actually required. But to marinate in the Presence of satsang is very beautiful.

At my Master’s feet all is good, and I am always at my Master’s feet.

Jesse is also here. Namaste, dear one. So happy you’re here. Very good. And Oscar is also here. Very good. One day we are going to have a satsang for kids. We will have that soon.

Zurim says, “So much trying and control has been seen here. Trying to control thoughts and states that are not comfortable. Contradictory thoughts about what I have to do or not to do in order to be what I am.”

And you say ‘it has been seen’. Once it has been seen, then there is a distance from it. The minute we say that something has been seen, we see that there is a distance between ‘me’ and what is ‘being seen’. It is seen that ‘I am the Awareness itself. I’m the Witnessing of all of this. And although all of this arises within me, it cannot be called ‘me’. At best it can be called ‘a part of me’. It can be called ‘an appearance inside me’. But it does not make it ‘me’; because I am much more glorious’. You are much more glorious than this appearance.

This is very good. Just be in this Witnessing perspective and all will be allowed to come and go, and you will not be able to identify the ‘you’ which is involved in all of this. Even now, can you find the ‘you’ which is trying? Where is this ‘you’? Can you try now?

Find the one who is trying. Try this now. And if this one doesn’t exist, then how can this one control anything? All the stories are the stories about this ‘impossible one’. How could it have been that something is separate from God? How would this miracle happen? What magic would separate you from God and make you ‘a separate me’? And without believing your thoughts you will realize that it never happened.

In any moment that you’re checking, looking for yourself, you will never find this ‘me’. You might find some thoughts. You might find some residual feelings or energies; but the interpreter comes and says ‘these are yours’ or ‘this is about you’. But it cannot show you where you are. So when it says that: ‘This bad feeling is about you’: ‘This confusion is about you’: ‘This controlling is about you’; ask ‘Which you are you talking about?’

We often say this that ‘This wrong number has come’, and we refuse to ask: ‘Who’s speaking?’ And we also refuse to ask: ‘Who are you talking to?’ Even to ask one of these questions is the end of suffering. At least ask one of these questions, it is the end of suffering. When this voice speaks, find out who it is, or find out who it is talking to.

Louise says, “Jesse says ‘Yay, kids satsang’…and hugging my phone.” Very good. Remind your mom to help us organize this. Namaste, Jesse. [Louise’s daughter].

Zurim says, “No, I can’t find it now.”

You will never find it. When you look for this separate me, you will not find it. Only trouble comes when we just presume it is here. It is always just imagination; always just a presumption. The sun has never risen from the west. Only we’re believing the voice which is saying ‘The sun is rising from the west’. That’s why I say that the simplest satsang…, supremely simple satsang: Just don’t believe your next thought. Trust me, you can do without it. Because the trickster has an endless number of tricks up its sleeve. If you keep playing the game, it will keep playing with you. But if you drop it now, as my Master says ‘3-2-1 drop’ and now refuse to pick up the next thought. No matter how strong the sales-pitch is, no matter how good the audition is, don’t give it your belief.

You are Free now.

Jesse says, “No-one in possession of this life. Just silence here.” Very beautiful.

With this simple seeing; with this simple understanding, nothing else needs to be done.

Loney says, “Energy and interest in work is returning. I know in my heart that everything will show up by itself but there is somehow an intuitive urge to ask you Ananta, How, if at all, it can be possible to combine psychology with spirituality?”

You’re also a psychologist? We have so many wonderful psychologists in the Sangha. We have Gangha. We have Denan. We have Ginger. Who else? Stacy. We have you. And there’s a reason for this, because you have…, in psychology you also have been looking for what is the truth here; what is the truth about identity, what is the truth about mind. You’ve looked at emotions. So it’s a natural progression, in a way, to come from psychology into the true knowledge of the Self.

So don’t make an effort to combine something. Don’t make a strategy. In psychology also, just completely let every moment unfold. You will find that healing is happening on its own, without referring to the mind. And sometimes you will find that you will not say anything at all, but your patients or clients will still feel the benefit. So don’t become the psychologist. Don’t pick up any ‘hat’. Let all the ‘hats’ play out on their own. Just let it unfold. Life knows exactly what is to be done. Very good.

And if interest for work is returning, let this interest also play out the way it has to; this is very good to see that neither desire nor aversion towards anything. When you see that some interest is arising for work, it can also be done. That’s why I’m dressed up in these corporate clothes today. I came straight from a meeting. All flows on its own.

Jesse says, “I trust you and love you.” Very good. So much love to you, too.

Shanti says, “It is a miracle that this simplicity is here through the beautiful appearance of Anantaji, that this freedom is so accessible, it is a miracle.”

That is could be so simple do undo this ‘big’ word called Suffering. It seems to have so many connotations about it. Many Sages have had many inquests, maybe for many lifetimes, to get rid of this suffering, and to find that the answer was so simple. The key to unlock this is so simple; it is actually a miracle.

So much love, Cornelia. Very good.

Stacy says, “And Naomi, too.” Yes. Naomi is also a psychologist. It’s a natural progression.

Zurim says, “Yes, Father, total trust. Much love to you. Thank you so much.” You’re very welcome, my dear.

Loney says, “Won’t pick up any hats. All flows on its own. Thank you.” Yes, this is very good.

You know it’s so funny how things just unfold sometimes in meetings. Even in the so-called work situations. You’ll be amazed at how things just seem to flow. [Silently gazing at camera]

Zoe says, “A friend just posted a video of a letter being answered by Moojiji, and she talked about drowning in this love.” Very beautiful. “It touched me deeply.”

Sometimes we say that all of you have become Rumi now. [Laughs] Our own Sangha of Rumi. Such beautiful love. So much peace and joy. Such magic in your words also. This is very good.

Zoe says, “I realized I am scared of drowning, but water cannot drown in water.”

The Truth cannot be hurt. The Truth needs no defense.

Ajnani says, “With my experience last winter my daughter was in too much conflict and I stayed in silence and neutral (with Mooji’s words, grace and guidance from videos) and it’s dissolved beautifully. Thank you again. At Master’s feet.” This is very good.

Atma says, “Namaste, my shining Father.” Namaste, my dear child.

Louise says, “Father, it feels like the natural simplicity of innocence before thought becomes idolized.”

This is very well said. The simplicity and innocence that the children have; the small children. There is no future for them. They don’t think about the past. They’re completely in the moment. And when pain comes they cry. Pain goes away, they stop crying; and forget about the pain also…, this momentary living in complete neutrality. It’s very beautiful.

So ‘natural simplicity of innocence before thought becomes idolized’.

[Louise], “Feels funny that after all this knowledge-collecting to find truth, in the end, none of it was ever needed.”

It can be said like that, but [Nisargadatta] Maharaj also said that ‘All this knowledge acts like blows of the hammer’. There’s so much conditioning. You see, the tree has become now strong; the tree of thought, the tree of ego. So it might need many knocks from the axe; many hits of the axe to make it fall. And once it has fallen, the axe can be thrown away. Once the tree of ego has fallen, then the axe can be thrown away. But until then, this axe is very useful. So this knowledge, this axe, was removing all this conditioning. It was removing the nutrients from this tree. It was taking away the strength of the tree of the ego. And it is true that once the tree has fallen then you don’t have to hold onto the axe. The axe can be also thrown away.

Atma says, “No future for me too, Father.”

Yes, and it’s not depressing. You see, when most Beings would say ‘I have no future’ it’ll be a sign of despondency. It is usually said in a depressed way, that ‘Oh I have no future’. It’s not like that; it’s Full. Full Joy, Full Wonder in this moment. No concern about the future. That’s what it means. Whatever wants to come can come.

Om says, “Maybe that’s why not many incidents from childhood leave a trace in the form of memories, Father.”

Yes, because we don’t keep replaying them over and over. ‘I should have done this: He should have done that: She should have done this: Why didn’t I say this?: Why didn’t I do that?’…, all this back and forth, over and over. It’s not there as a child. And because it has not been replayed like this so much, we don’t retain so much in our memory also.

Jayani says, “Father, my head is on the chopping block.” [Looks silently at the camera]

And the head is chopped off. The head is chopped off.

But you have the power to grow it back now. How do you grow it back? You can grow it back only by believing your thoughts. This power of belief is your ‘primal power’. With the birth of Consciousness, this power of belief is born. But as long as you choose not to grow your head back it will not trouble you now. Nothing needs to be believed. Not even the most glorious sounding concept. Just become completely empty of All beliefs. This is the chopping of the head. And it is very good to expose this in satsang, and say it like this is also very good.

And this is for All of you.

Do you want your heads back?

Do any of you want your head back?

Or is ‘heart’ enough now?

Om says, “Love you, Father. I’m your child.” Of course you are.

Jayani says, “Even this is nothing though, beloved Father.” Very good.

All nothing, nothing, nothing.

Clare says, “The tree of ego is very persistent here with all kinds of directions and commands and fears. I remain as emptiness and just allow.”

Yes. Without your interest it is nothing. It’s like when you’re walking on the street and a dog comes and starts barking. And sometimes it can seem very strong, it can seem very scary also sometimes and sometimes it can be a whimper. But if we don’t give it any attention and belief, then we know that this too will stop. But if we start trying to decipher what is going on, why is it behaving like this, then we are making it more long-drawn-out than it needs to be.

So, no heads coming back. No, no, no, everybody is saying, they don’t want their head back.

Loney says, “Becoming a child again. Nothing sticks, thoughts arise, disappear, talking happens, nothing is remembered from that, time feels different, yesterday seems like a previous life, like it never happened. Much more Presence, much less head, happening by itself.” This is very good.

Love you too, Zurim, very much.

Shanti says, “Father, I don’t even want the identity of a Rumi. Anything that flows from here is just pure joy. I am not responsible for the language of the Heart. Take my head, I am only Heart presence.”

Very beautiful. Very good. [Smiles.] This is very beautiful because Rumi would not have felt ‘I am Rumi’. It’s not like that, you see. But the Beings around you have the freedom to call you Rumi or whatever else. Yes, but you don’t have to pick up this or any other identity.

Looks like Ustream has changed something on their chat. I am able to read some of it but the other parts just jump straight back down.

And for those of you who are new to satsang, just play around with what is being spoken here. Play around with what’s being spoken here. I never say: ‘Just take my word for it.’ Some of you have come to that point where what I say is just taken as the truth, but we can wait for that kind of faith to develop.  Until then, just play around with what is being said; experiment with it, contemplate it, and the deepening of trust will happen when we see that this works, when you see that not believing your thoughts removes all the misery from your life instantly.

When you see that it happens like this, then this will lead to the development of a lot of faith. And with this development of faith, then what happens is surrender. And when you surrender then your life is Consciousness’s problem. Then your existence is handed over to Existence. But simply just don’t rely on what your mind is interpreting about what is said here. If you do that, then it will be a much more seemingly painful and longer journey. Even the mind will mellow down in the Presence of satsang, but that is the longer way to do it.

It’s actually very simple, just to play with it, just to say: ‘Okay, this man in this computer screen seems to be saying, ‘Don’t believe your next thought.’ Can I just try it since I came to satsang? Okay, this much I can do, isn’t it?’

But if you’re just waiting: ‘Okay, he’s saying ‘don’t believe your next thought’…, and we’re instantly waiting to believe our next thought and our next thought is ‘Oh, but how can it be this simple?’ And if you buy this thought, then instantly it’s over and you’re back to presuming yourself to be a person.

But if you hear like this: ‘He’s saying, ‘Don’t believe your next thought.’ The thought is coming and it is going, no belief is given; you do this even for a little while, you will find that so much Peace and Love is here. But if you’re waiting first to convince the mind, if you need the mind’s buy-in, then we are just postponing.

Freedom is not for the mind. We’re not teaching the mind anything, actually. Freedom is from the mind. It is not for the mind. And freedom from the mind does not mean that it will stop, that thoughts will stop coming. It does not mean that. It only means that they lose their power. They have no meaning for us now.

Om says, “Maybe create a new Facebook group for asking questions during satsang, Father.”  We will contemplate this; we will look at this. Very good.

Hans says, “A name is just for practical use.” Yes.

Zoe says, “Internet crashing constantly, beloved Father. Will stay with you in the Heart and watch satsang tomorrow. So much gratitude and love.” So much love to you too, my dear child, so much love.

Loney says, “What is left of this head is left entirely by your feet.” Very good. “I trust you completely and I trust you so much, Ananta.” I love you too, my dear. Very good.

Just lay it in satsang and don’t even track any progress. Don’t worry about what is happening, what is showing up; is there pain here? is there fear here? is there peace here? is there bliss here? …, just don’t even worry about any of this. Don’t ‘take your temperature’. You are absolutely fine. It’s completely alright to let go of all of this. Even the tracking of spiritual progress is not required. You are already the Self and there is no exam. There is no certificate which I am handing out. You are already my own Self. I know that you are completely free. It is very good.

Louise says, “I have to share something funny which Jesse just said: ‘Are there presents in satsang, Mum?’ [Laughs.] Very excitedly.”

There are presents in satsang. Every moment in satsang, the Presence itself, this Presence itself is my biggest present for all of you, to bring you to your Presence of your own Self. To see that God lives in your own Heart is my present to you. So I give you this gift of God, and he is always taking care of you. And because God is taking care of you, you must always be happy. And when you come to physical satsang, if you come to Bangalore satsang, we’ll make sure that there is a present for you as well. [Smiles.]

Thank you all so much, very good.

Thank you Ajnani.

Thank you Shinein.

Thank you Lizelle, Vivi.

Ajnani says, “Sweet tears, oh my Lord, thank you.” Thank you, my dear.

Prema says, “Thank you for your Presence, Ananta, the greatest present of God.”

And this beautiful sangha is also my own heart, a beautiful gift from God. You are all so beautiful. I really cannot make out any difference. I cannot make out who is the teacher or who is the taught.

Clare says, “Thank you, you make me cry with joy.” Same here, my dear.

Thank you, Jayani. Thank you, Hans. So much love, Shanti, very good.

None of the imagined darkness in the world can survive now. In the light of this beautiful sangha, how can any darkness, real or imagined, survive? And all darkness is only imagined.

All of you are so amazing. You are my Master’s present to me.

Ajnani says, “Could you tell me what pranam means?”

Pranam is just a way of saying that you bow down to the Presence in you. It is another way of saying Namaste, or pranam; it is the same, that you bow down to the Holy Presence in the seeming-another.

Thank you, Stacy, my dear, very good.

Om says, “You are beyond, Father.” Thank you.

Louise says, “Thank you, Father.”

Zurim says, “Thank you, beloved Father.” Thank you both so much.

Pranam, Ajnani. [Laughs.]

Thank you, beloved Lizelle.

I know this fan might have become pretty noisy now because we are on back-up power supply.

Good, Zoe’s still here, she says, “My head at your holy feet.” Very good, very good.

Kapil says, “Thank you for the super gift, Ananta, thank you so much.” You’re very welcome.

Jesse [man, not the child] says, “This gift you give is not for keeping.” Yes. “How can I keep what I am?” How can I keep what I am, and how can I lose what I am? It has no meaning. Keeping or losing. “You give me my Self.” Absolutely. “Thank you for ever.” Thank you too, my dear, thank you so much.

Clare says, “Dear Ananta, is it possible to help someone who is suffering a lot and very attached to ego?”

Yes. We must become the change we wish to see in them. Mahatma Gandhi had said this: We must become the change we wish to see in the world. So first we must drop all ideas and thoughts about his seeming-another. We must be free about all thoughts about them first, also, be completely empty.  In your emptiness, so much auspiciousness, so much blessings and Grace will flow through your very Presence that no words are even required. But you might find that words are coming out. But you know that these are not the person’s words. These are the words coming from the Satguru in the heart. So all auspiciousness will flow through your own emptiness.

The best way to heal the suffering in the world is to first heal our own suffering forever; get beyond the reach of any suffering. Like I say, you will lose the ability to suffer now.  And with this all Beings who have the true desire to be free from suffering will come to your Presence. They will come and fall at your feet. But if there is no openness then they will not come.  Until they are open to the truth, until there is this feeling that ‘I must identify who I really am’, until this openness comes they might run from you actually. That is okay, it’s all part of the game.

Shanti says, “There is only Love. Darkness and light are seen by and in this Love.” Very good. And you are the Witness of even this Love. So now Love is in service to you. You say, “I love this love. I love You who point to this. Love, love, love.” Very beautiful.

It’s like Ram had said the other day, isn’t it? That now Love and Peace will keep knocking at your door. They will not want to leave your Presence at all. They are in service to you.

Soham says, “For me I had a dream last night, and it’s being talked about here today essentially. It is that One being.”

Yes, you can get used to all of this. You see, there’ll come a time where you won’t find anything unusual about all this intuition, déjà vu, whatever it’s called. All these miracles will happen all around you but you won’t be able to have any interest in any of them. And we can talk about this, like this, in this funny way. All is a projection of this One Consciousness. It is that One Being. Yes.

So if this is the message that’s taken from all these miraculous incidents, then it is very beautiful. Sometimes what can happen with miracles is that the mind comes in and contaminates the pure experience and tries to sell you the story of being special now; that ‘Now you are free, and hence now in your Presence, all these miracles are happening and you have some sort of super-power’. The mind tries to come and sell us this story.

Louise says, “Father, the other day out of nowhere it became clear that everything was happening in me. The ‘I’ that I had felt myself to be was happening in Me.”

Yes, yes. The appearance of this ‘I’ was your own imagination. Everything can only appear in You. There is no outside You anywhere. Very good.

Louise says, “Sounds, thoughts, feelings, everything.”  Yes.

You are all there is. You are all there is. Therefore we must be One. Advaita is this simple. Non-duality is this simple. That there cannot be two because I am all there is.

Soham says, “Yes, Father, that’s what the dream was about. It was this pointing. I posted it in the chat so I won’t do here.” Oh, I see. I’ll have a look at that.

Jesse [man] says, “Father, Mooji read my letter at tea satsang and it has brought up so many thoughts that have arisen because of that. They all point back to simple seeing. I realize that all my conditioning has led me to you. So grateful.”

Yes. It is very, very beautiful to have you here. Very good. So happy, so happy to see you.  Hand over all your thoughts to me. This is what is meant by ‘chopping off the head’, that ‘I hand over all that is happening; these thoughts, this energy called ‘thoughts’ is now not my problem’. It is very, very good.

So much love to all of you.

Thank you so much for joining in this beautiful satsang.

Moojiji ki Jai!  [Namaste] [Blows kiss and waves]

Sangha: Moojiji ki Jai!  Anantaji ki Jai!  Thank you. Love you.

Q: Energy and interest in work is returning. I know in my heart that everything will show up by itself but there is somehow an intuitive urge to ask you Ananta, How, if at all, it can be possible to combine psychology with spirituality?

You’re also a psychologist? We have so many wonderful psychologists in the Sangha. And there’s a reason for this, because in psychology you also have been looking for what is the truth here; what is the truth about identity, what is the truth about mind. You’ve looked at emotions. So it’s a natural progression, in a way, to come from psychology into the true knowledge of the Self.

So don’t make an effort to combine something. Don’t make a strategy. In psychology also, just completely let every moment unfold. You will find that healing is happening on its own, without referring to the mind. And sometimes you will find that you will not say anything at all, but your patients or clients will still feel the benefit. So don’t become the psychologist. Don’t pick up any ‘hat’. Let all the ‘hats’ play out on their own. Just let it unfold. Life knows exactly what is to be done. Very good.

And if interest for work is returning, let this interest also play out the way it has to; this is very good to see that neither desire nor aversion towards anything. When you see that some interest is arising for work, it can also be done. That’s why I’m dressed up in these corporate clothes today. I came straight from a meeting. All flows on its own.

Today I feel we can start by talking a little bit about money. I know it’s a rare topic in satsang, and we rarely ever bring it up; but with some friends in the chat yesterday we were talking about this topic, isn’t it? The topic of money. And actually, it’s a very simple topic, but can be sticky for many of us. Even after a long time in satsang, it can still seem like a real subject.

So what it is about money that makes it so sticky? Money actually, I feel, gets correlated with two different things. The first thing it gets correlated with, which is very primal, is a sense of security. The feeling is that if there is enough money, then there will be a sense of security. And on the flip side, it can feel like if there is not enough money, then there is not enough security. You see? So this one, the feeling of wanting security or feeling secure is something that is very primal to most human beings. And that’s why money seems to become important.

But as this sense of personhood is now dissolving, and the sense of separation is now going, you will all see that this being secure, or the sense of insecurity from the lack of money or anything at all will start to fade away. What is it that we need to secure? What is it that we need to defend? We have seen that this one that needed defending, that needed security just does not exist. So find out what needs to be secured; what needs to be defended? You see? So that is the first.

The second is this feeling that money seems to be the way to keep count of how well we are doing in this phenomenal world. And again, it comes from the root of the person concept. The person wants to do well, and it wants to do better and better. The person wants to become something. And that is why, in the eyes of the world, when a person has money they say that he has become something. But if you were to go and ask that person, he would say that ‘I still have a long way to go’ because no amount of money is ever enough for most people.

So I would much rather, if we have to keep count, which actually there is no reason to, but if we had to keep count, could we keep account of how peaceful we are, how happy we are, how joyful we are. How much do we smile? And if you were to ask most people, they would say ‘I am earning money so that I can be happy’. But happiness is always in the now, joy is always in the now.

So when we see that this second reason, as a way of keeping count, is also nothing…, so both the reason of trying to provide security to something which does not exist, and as a way of keeping count of how well a person is doing…, now that we see that the person itself does not exist, then what are we keeping count about? You see?

So with this, what is seen? What is seen is not that we must have an aversion towards money. Yesterday also we were talking about this pendulum which goes from desire to aversion. So sometimes when we say ‘Okay, I don’t now have a desire for money’ we swing the pendulum too far back and it becomes an aversion towards money. That is why it is good to see that it is not a desire nor an aversion. Because an aversion also is a desire; a desire strongly to not do something or to not have something. You see? So as with everything else, with money also, be completely neutral. It means nothing to You. If there is lots of it, it means nothing. If there is none of it, it means nothing.

See, there are these special symbols, these worldly symbols, which appeal a lot to the ego. And with this we create a sense of specialness about it; either through unnatural desire or an unnatural aversion. It is the same for sex also. It either becomes too special, or we make it too shameful. We can do the same thing for hunger also. We can make food too special or we can develop an aversion towards it. None of this is required; all of this is a play of the mind. Without belief in our thoughts, we will find this beautiful neutrality towards all things. All things are allowed to come and go. If they are coming in the appearance, they can be enjoyed. And when they are going, also there is joy that is here; independent of all that is coming and going.

So neither King Janaka nor a Sufi saint or a Fakir do you have to be. Stop deciding what you’re going to be anyway. Life is unfolding in its own beautiful way, and everything is taken care of. Life does not need the input from our mind. It does not need to rely on our thoughts. No appearance can touch you anyway.

So many of these are very subtle things, you see? They’re very subtle; and once it’s pointed out in satsang, then you can just quietly contemplate where any of this sticky stuff is still around for you; lurking somewhere quietly to come up in the right opportunity.

This is very good.

Namaste everyone, a very warm welcome to satsang today. Moojiji ki Jai.

Thank you all so very much for joining in and if this is your first time in satsang, the way to ask questions is through the chat window.

Namaste. Welcome, welcome.

So good to have all of you with us. The video is not showing up for me, so I don’t know if that’s only a problem here…, all of you are seeing it fine, I’m presuming? Namaste. So if one of you can confirm that the video and audio are fine, then we can get started. Okay, Amaya says that she hears and sees me fine. Okay, wonderful.

So today I feel we can start by talking a little bit about money. I know it’s a rare topic in satsang, and we rarely ever bring it up; but with some friends in the chat yesterday we were talking about this topic, isn’t it? The topic of money. And actually, it’s a very simple topic, but can be sticky for many of us. Even after a long time in satsang, it can still seem like a real subject.

So what it is about money that makes it so sticky? Money actually, I feel, gets correlated with two different things. The first thing it gets correlated with, which is very primal, is a sense of security. The feeling is that if there is enough money, then there will be a sense of security. And on the flip side, it can feel like if there is not enough money, then there is not enough security. You see? So this one, the feeling of wanting security or feeling secure is something that is very primal to most human beings. And that’s why money seems to become important.

But as this sense of personhood is now dissolving, and the sense of separation is now going, you will all see that this being secure, or the sense of insecurity from the lack of money or anything at all will start to fade away. What is it that we need to secure? What is it that we need to defend? We have seen that this one that needed defending, that needed security just does not exist. So find out what needs to be secured; what needs to be defended? You see? So that is the first.

The second is this feeling that money seems to be the way to keep count of how well we are doing in this phenomenal world. And again, it comes from the root of the person concept. The person wants to do well, and it wants to do better and better. The person wants to become something. And that is why, in the eyes of the world, when a person has money they say that he has become something. But if you were to go and ask that person, he would say that ‘I still have a long way to go’ because no amount of money is ever enough for most people.

So I would much rather, if we have to keep count, which actually there is no reason to, but if we had to keep count, could we keep account of how peaceful we are, how happy we are, how joyful we are. How much do we smile? And if you were to ask most people, they would say ‘I am earning money so that I can be happy’. But happiness is always in the now, joy is always in the now.

So when we see that this second reason, as a way of keeping count, is also nothing…, so both the reason of trying to provide security to something which does not exist, and as a way of keeping count of how well a person is doing…, now that we see that the person itself does not exist, then what are we keeping count about? You see?

So with this, what is seen? What is seen is not that we must have an aversion towards money. Yesterday also we were talking about this pendulum which goes from desire to aversion. So sometimes when we say ‘Okay, I don’t now have a desire for money’ we swing the pendulum too far back and it becomes an aversion towards money. That is why it is good to see that it is not a desire nor an aversion. Because an aversion also is a desire; a desire strongly to not do something or to not have something. You see? So as with everything else, with money also, be completely neutral. It means nothing to You. If there is lots of it, it means nothing. If there is none of it, it means nothing.

See, there are these special symbols, these worldly symbols, which appeal a lot to the ego. And with this we create a sense of specialness about it; either through unnatural desire or an unnatural aversion. It is the same for sex also. It either becomes too special, or we make it too shameful. We can do the same thing for hunger also. We can make food too special or we can develop an aversion towards it. None of this is required; all of this is a play of the mind. Without belief in our thoughts, we will find this beautiful neutrality towards all things. All things are allowed to come and go. If they are coming in the appearance, they can be enjoyed. And when they are going, also there is joy that is here; independent of all that is coming and going.

So neither King Janaka nor a Sufi saint or a Fakir do you have to be. Stop deciding what you’re going to be anyway. Life is unfolding in its own beautiful way, and everything is taken care of. Life does not need the input from our mind. It does not need to rely on our thoughts. No appearance can touch you anyway.

So many of these are very subtle things, you see? They’re very subtle; and once it’s pointed out in satsang, then you can just quietly contemplate where any of this sticky stuff is still around for you; lurking somewhere quietly to come up in the right opportunity.

[Laughs]. This is very good. So is there any question about this? Is it still sticky for any of you? Or do you find that there is a beautiful neutrality about all appearances?

Ajnani says, “Anantaji, after reading Ramana Maharshi, if I catch myself holding any statement, immediately I cancel and drop that statement; and the opposite one to this statement.”

See, I don’t think she finished, but this is like when we played the opposites game, isn’t it? Did we play this one? A thought comes and immediately we attract the opposite of that thought, and we see that it is possible to give our belief to either of them. And based on our conditioning, it seems easier to give belief to one of them, but we see that it is purely coming from the conditioning. But just as easily the conditioning could have made it the other way also. You see? So neither of these thoughts is true. It is not talking about us anyway. So, this is very good.

Stacy says, “The money one can still get sticky here, around the primal fear of security. I’ve been looking at this a lot the past two days actually: ‘Who is it that is afraid? Whose life am I concerned about?’”  It’s very good. These are beautiful contemplations.  “It’s clear that life is taking care.”  Very good.  “And when these financial fears arise, they are in service. They keep me surrendered. And there’s a sweetness in this surrender, in not knowing and trusting.”

It’s beautiful that all of these opportunities to contemplate come up, because if they were to just keep hiding, we would never know that they exist. So life is such a beautiful teacher that all which needs to be looked at is looked at very easily. We cannot avoid it. The more you hide from something, the more it shows up in front of you. You see? But when you have this trust, trust in the Master, trust in God, then you can say ‘Everything is allowed to come. Everything can come now’.

And in this, sometimes it comes! You see? [Laughs]. So if you’re doing it with the expectation that ‘If I say that I trust the Master then none of this will come’ then this is not true. Sometimes if there is a sense of escapism about it, then that escapism is also converted into faith in this process of burning. So very strong things can come. Sometimes when we make a prayer, it is heard immediately, and many strong things can come. But this is the process of development of faith. And you see that you are untouched by any of this appearance. That’s why jokingly I say sometimes that a good prayer is to say that ‘I’m open to getting slapped by life. I’m open to life’s whacks. If there is something here that can get hurt, then this must be only arrogance, and let it get slapped out of me’. What is real cannot be hurt; what is real cannot be attacked. It does not need any defense. This is very good.

Cornelia says, “Everything is unfolding as it should. Just be neutral.”  Perfect. Very good.

Ajnani says, (Opposite one of the statement) “at the same time.”  Yes.

Natara91 says, “Oh, it seems so simple when we listen to satsang.”

This will become completely real for you. You can take this as a prophecy or as a blessing, but if you stay in satsang this will become your daily living experience. There will be no stickiness around these special relationships; be it money, be it any other relationship. Very good.

Ajnani says, “Yes, right, Anantaji. Otherwise it makes a shadow identity.”  Yes.

So the pendulum is not stuck on either extreme and we are just neutral, completely empty. What does neutral mean? Neutral actually means being completely empty of any concept. Being empty of any concept, this is beautiful neutrality.

Cornelia also says, “This is true. Every thought comes with its opposite.”

Yes. And even this game will stop. Nothing required. Just let it go. Just withdraw your belief. Don’t have a feeling that the opposite should also arise for it to not become part of your identity. Just in the withdrawl of your belief, it is enough. It is enough.

Denan says, “Still stickiness here; guilt if too much, fear if too little.”

Very good point, you see? There is a sense of guilt if there is too much money; we feel undeserving. And we also feel fearful; we get insecure about the money. You see, if there’s too much money, then people sometimes are even more miserable; about what to do with it, is it safe? So too much is also a problem, too little is also a problem.

But there is no actual problem unless we believe our thought about it…, unless it means something to us. The meaning that money gets is only through our belief, and our interest. That’s why it’s good that we also talk about this openly and expose it in the fire of satsang. For some, it might seem like it’s a petty topic. ‘Why are we discussing this in satsang when we should actually be talking about the true Self?’ But we discuss it only because there seems to be stickiness around it; and rather than hiding it or denying it, it’s good to expose it and be done with it.

So give me all your concepts about money. There can be a complete surrender: ‘Which ever state the Master wants to keep me in…, keep this body in…, is completely fine by me. I don’t mind at all. No yearning here for any state, rich or poor. None of this exists in the present moment’. Very good.

Denan says, “Just continue and drop and hand it over.”  This much is enough. This is very good.

Loney says, “What would it matter to be very fearful around money? There is no ‘me’ to do anything about it anyway.”

Yes. If you can have this detachment, if even fear is arising and it is seen to be not yours, then there is nothing to be concerned about. All feelings are allowed to arise and go.

“Life takes care of life,” she says.  Very good.

Charles says, “How to know which way the pendulum has swung? There has been little interest in looking for work here.” Yes. It is a common problem…, not even a problem; a common occurrence. “As it is, the predicament of being homeless has been a real one that produces anxiety. This game is losing interest for me, but the game keeps playing whether I’m interested in it or not.”

Yes. This is very good to see. You see, as long as the waking state is here, as long as the Being is here, this play of appearances continues. The play of appearances, this leela, does not stop. And no one can predict where it is going to go. No one can predict the play of this leela. And there is no interest in this prediction also. You see? So don’t feel that with freedom this play of Maya is going to stop. As long as the waking state is here, as long as Consciousness is here, this movie will continue. And all will flow exactly as it is meant to.

And how do we know that the pendulum has swung, either this way or that way? Life will show us. And if we feel that we are suffering from anything at all, know that the pendulum has swung. If there is any appearance of suffering at all, it is an opportunity to check what desire or what aversion is here; what ‘should’ or ‘should not’ is still here. You see, some concept must still be alive if there is the appearance of suffering. When we are completely open, not resisting anything, this means that this is a concept-less state. To be in this beautiful, neutral, concept-less state no suffering will arise. And in this way, now suffering also becomes Grace, isn’t it? Because it shows us what is still hiding; what still needs to be transcended. In this play, in this game, what still needs to be transcended will show up now; very quickly, quickly. And we’ll know that the pendulum has swung. And we don’t need to bother so much with which way it has swung, because it is actually the same. Whether it is the desire or the aversion, it is just the same thing; two sides of the same coin.

Stacy says, “I trust the Master. I trust you completely, Father. I am open to getting slapped by life.”  This is very good. “Let all arrogance be slapped out of me.” This is a very good prayer. “This is my prayer: Let nothing remain.”  Very good. Very good.

Naomi says, “Each of these things have been sticky for me at times, and the mind has been so powerful. But when the mind is surrendered, these thoughts begin to drop.”  Very good. “The path has already been laid. So grateful!”  Very good.

All this will become laughable. Not laughable from a point of view of arrogance. You will laugh at how all of this would have the ability to catch you at one point. And you will say ‘What a beautiful ride it was’. Like a roller coaster seems so scary while we’re on it; once we’re off, we say ‘Wow. That was fun’. [Laughs]. So, it’s going to be like that.

And it is very good that it has happened to all of us, because we don’t then become judgmental when we see other Beings with these seeming-problems. We have the ability now to laugh at our own problems, at our own seeming-problems of the past; but we will not laugh at any other’s pain or suffering. This is the beauty of this. And it is seen that this is why most sages had a conditioned life before they awakened, before their liberation came. Because if they were liberated…, only a few rare ones have this story. But for most sages, they went through all the ups and downs in life and then the awakening or the liberation happened. This is very good, so that there was not a sense of arrogance that could arise. The memories were still there about these past occurrences which prevents us from getting arrogant about what others are experiencing, and seemingly it seems so real to them. And we know it is completely unreal, but we can be compassionate towards their suffering.

Ajnani says, “Being in satsang is the short-cut and blessed way.” Yes. It’s the short-cut. It’s life’s ‘cheat code’ …, you can say like that. [Laughs].

Aradhana says, “Remember when I first came to satsang, this used to be very sticky; and you told me that lack or abundance will make no difference as you stay as the Self. Both don’t mean anything now.”

‘Lack or abundance will make no difference as you stay as the Self’.  Yes. This is very good.

She says, “Both don’t mean anything now.”  You see? Very beautiful. “Thank you, Ananta.”  Thank you, my dear. Very good.

Charles says, “I don’t feel there is any control of the pendulum here.”

This is very good. Very, very good. You see that life is unfolding on its own; everything is happening on its own.

Charles says, “At your feet, Anantaji.”  Very good, my dear; always in my Heart. Very good.

Soham says, “I give it all to you, Father.”  Very good, my dear. Very good.

Kapil says, “Although I like to tell myself that I’m not bothered about money, I have noticed there are times when I feel anxious about what will happen when money is involved.”  Yes.

So, first stop telling yourself anything. Neither this nor that; just let go of all thoughts. And then, you see, when the time is right or when it is needed, then the words you hear in satsang will show up for you on their own; from your own Heart all guidance will be made available. We don’t have to replace one concept: ‘I need money’ with another concept: ‘I don’t want money’.

No concept is required here. Just let it all go. Let it be the Master’s problem.

Loney says, “Ramana Maharshi writes somewhere: ‘What is meant to be, will be, no matter what. What is not meant to be, will not be, no matter what’. Does this mean that the script is written, and cannot be re-written?”

Are you asking this as a person, or are you asking as Consciousness? For the person, the script is already written. For this imaginary, impossible one who does not exist, it can be said that the script is completely already written. A non-existent entity called a person cannot have free will; cannot have will at all because it doesn’t exist. You see? So it’s all a matter of perspective. So if you’re asking from a personal perspective, to the person this is the perfect answer.

But if you’re asking as Being, if you’re asking as Consciousness, then I can say that it is all Your own play, and You are playing it moment-to-moment as You see fit. You are God whose will is supreme. All there is, is God’s will. So from Consciousness’ perspective, You can say that You have complete Freedom. See?

And from the Absolute perspective, from the Awareness of even this Being, Awareness of Consciousness even…, from this perspective of pure Awareness, none of this means anything at all. Will has no meaning at all. None of this has ever happened. There has been no movement at all in Awareness, at all; nothing has happened. You see, so it’s all a matter of ‘As what are you asking?’ I hope that makes it clear.

Louise says, “Father, there always comes this big feeling of aversion to anything bad happening to my girls when we talk about aversion. Still can’t see how this will ever feel neutral.”

See, what you’ve spoken about here, to care for our offspring, or the natural feelings of protectiveness to our offspring, are very primal concept, you see? They are very primal concepts. Even in animals, these concepts are so strong. Therefore, in this realm, in this world, this seems to be one of the primary concepts. And there should be no pushing, forcing, for these concepts not to be there. This much is not required. And don’t set yourself up for failure by saying that ‘Freedom must mean that I must feel the same about all kids; my kids, anybody else’s kids’. It is not like that.

In this conditioned play, there will be this play also of parenthood which will play out. Even Sri Ram, who was an Avatar of Vishnu himself, is said to have cried when Sita was taken away from him. You see? And in this, there is a beautiful example of even Beings who are called Avatars, in this realm, in this world, these relationships can act in this strong way. It does not say anything about you. It does not make you less free or more free. It’s just naturally the Self playing out in these relationships. Let all relationships unfold in the most beautiful way as they are. And if some protectiveness about our children and some special relationships still exist, don’t try too hard to push it away. It will all be just fine. Very good.

Amaya says, “Don’t care at all about social status, but utterly vulnerable feeling regarding body and money to care for its wellbeing. Grace always takes care because of surrendering. Give all of this to you, including anger about life giving pain and dire neediness to so many people.”  Yes. “Still such anger here about life on this planet where people experience such pain and fear; yet don’t believe the thoughts since Grace and surrender seems real.” This is good.

So you say ‘Still such anger here about life on this planet where people experience such pain and fear’. It’s all part of Grace; everything that is happening is Grace. And sometimes, for some Beings, it is important to experience all the entire spectrum, the entire contrast of life. Maybe it is what they signed up for, at some level, you see? Ultimately all will come to the understanding that they are completely untouched by any of these appearances. Very good.

Soham says, “Three years ago, I got kicked out of the house with £50 and a bus ticket. All I had was what could be stuffed in a backpack. I’ve never been without food or a roof, so it’s pretty obvious to me that life takes care if you trust.”

Sri Krishna also said ‘For a true seeker, none of his authentic needs will go unmet’. And Gandhi also had said, and you can correct me if I’m misquoting him, but I believe that Mahatma Gandhi had said that ‘All your needs will be met. But don’t expect any of your greeds to be met’ which I found was very beautiful.

Amaya says, “Exposing and surrendering this arrogance, and even shame to say that. So much love.”  So much love to you, too. Very good.

Girija is here. She says, “Very happy to be here, Anantaji.”  Very happy to have you here as well.

Cornelia says, “So much love, Anantaji. I’m dissolving in your Seeing.”  Very good.

Girija Leela is Girija Chandran, yes. Very good.

Shinein says, “Subtle arrogance is burning here.”  Very good.

I will not leave you, satsang will not leave you with even a blade of grass. All arrogance, all concepts, all beliefs, everything will be burned in the fire of satsang. All even intellectual knowledge will go. [Laughs]. You see? Even intellectual knowledge will go, because the Master one day will say ‘X’…, the other day he’ll say ‘Y’. One day he will say ‘Trust me, that this is the truth’. And the other day he will say ‘None of what is spoken, even in satsang, is true’. So you cannot hold onto any intellectual knowledge at all. And one day you will come to this neutral point where you will find no dichotomy in anything which is being spoken. You see? Otherwise, the intellect keeps questioning: ‘But didn’t he say this the other day? Didn’t Moojiji say just the opposite the other day? Didn’t he say just something else the other day?’ All this intellectual knowledge will get burnt in satsang. Nothing will remain, and you will see only pure Presence in every word which is arising in satsang. Very good.

Aryev says, “I like that answer.”  Okay. “Personal perspective vs Beingness’ perspective. What I thought you were saying until now always used to bother me until now, because I have seen the evidence to the contrary. Thank you for clarifying! Appreciated!”

See, this is very good, because even if you say that ‘I’ve always felt that something you have said is bothering me; and yet I continue to come to satsang’. And in continuing to come to satsang, you will see that all will get clarified; all concepts will go. You will be left empty; completely neutral. Because, actually, there is no truth… [silence]. There is no truth. [Laughs]. As [Nisargadatta] Maharaj used to say ‘The only truth that can be spoken is that I Am; and ultimately it is seen that even that is not true’. Very good.

That’s why we say: Just keep coming to satsang and everything will be clarified.

Girija  says, “Feeling so blessed to have this channel whenever I am at home.” Very good. Yes.

This is the beauty of technology, isn’t it? And if there is openness in your Heart, it is now available to you any time that you want. And now there are so many months of recorded satsangs also. Good.

Jyoti is also here, very good. Namaste. She says, “I loved the October 6^th satsang. Was not able to join for almost a week.”  Yes.

Like, just yesterday, we saw one of your photos. We were looking at some photos and I saw one of your photos, and I was wondering where you are. It was so beautiful to see you again. Very good. And I’ll be seeing your beautiful family on Saturday as well.

Louise says, “Father, I’ve lost video. Not sure if others have.”

Soham says, “It keeps freezing.”

So, can one of you confirm if I’m back now? Should I restart, or do something else? If one of you can confirm that I’m back on now? Okay, so sound is okay, so we’ll make due with sound then maybe for a while. Hmmm? Okay, it is back. So we’ll stay with this for a while, and if required, we can turn off the video for a while.

So, Ananya says, “Whatever it is, I am done fighting the flow of life, or pretending to do something.”  Very good. “May you remove whatever remains. At your holy feet.”  This is very good. Good.

Stacy says, “It’s working well now.”  Good.

Lizelle says, “It all boils down to being in satsang. Like you said ‘Stay in satang’. So much love.”  So much love to you, too.

You see, all paths, all spiritual movements, all spiritual Masters that you meet, in most, I should say, spiritual paths, you will be given a practice, you will be given a code of conduct; you will be given, maybe sometimes, strict procedures that you have to observe. None of that is here; none of that is here. The only rule, I jokingly say, if there was a rule here, it is only to make sure that you stay in satsang. Very good.

Ginger says, “Whoa. There is no truth. What could survive that? Just this love. Amen.” Good.

Cornelia says, “Sound is okay, Father. It freezed. It’s so beautiful.” So much love. Okay. “It is back now,” Bhagavatiji says, “But a bit sticky.”  That’s okay.

Ishani says, “Father, one separation I held onto was ‘Life’ and ‘Satsang’.”  Yes. “But now all seems like satsang.”  Very good.

Yes, this unity is very beautiful. And as you say this, I am reminded of this questioner…, this one encounter which this questioner had with Papaji a lot. And he said ‘When I am at your feet, everything is very peaceful, very calm. All is understood.’  Even somebody said that to me today, isn’t it? That in satsang, everything is so simple. So this questioner said that ‘Whenever I am at your feet’ he said to Papaji ‘everything is fine and peaceful. But when I get up and go, then all the trouble comes’. I’m paraphrasing: ‘But when I get up and go, then all the trouble comes’. And Papaji says ‘Who told you to get up? Why do you get up?’ You see? There’s so much beauty in this. And he explained that ‘Master’s feet’ does not mean the physical feet of the Master necessarily. He explained that it is the Presence of the Satguru in your Heart; the Presence of Being, Your own holy Presence. And if you’re with this Presence, then nothing can seem like a problem. No trouble can seem real. And then your entire life becomes a satsang. You see? Very good.

Also there is another mind-tendency which can say that ‘I have now understood. I don’t need satsang anymore’. See, the mind can come up with these things. Also it can say that ‘Oh, the Master is now in my Heart, so I don’t need to go for satsang’. This is again the trickster’s voice. You see? Always stay in satsang unless the Master himself has asked you to take a break from satsang. That can happen sometimes. And it has never been that…, I have been in Tiru or in Rishikesh along with my Master…, in 5 years, this has never happened that I have been there, and he had satsang, and I did not go. You see? So this pointing works in both ways. Even to actual physical satsang, and to the sense of being in satsang in Your own holy Presence.

Lizelle says, “Wah, Wah!”  Yes. [Laughs]. I don’t feel I can explain that, but I understand.

Soham says, “I feel like I need satsang even more now.”  Very good.

Cornelia says, “Anantaji, I love you so, so much! Grace brought this ‘me’ here. At your holy feet, dearest Father.”  So much love, dearest one. We’re so happy you are here. Very good.

Ishani says, “No choice is being made here, Father. Always find myself in satsang.”  This is very good. See, this is very true. When you say these words, I can smell that they are not coming from any arrogance. [Smiles]. This is very good. They’re not coming from an intellectual understanding; they’re coming from a pure space of Awareness itself. This is very good.

So she says, “No choice is being made here, Father. Always find myself in satsang. Grateful, and at your holy feet.”  Very good.

Kapil says, “Can the trickster also say ‘I cannot stay without satsang’?”

Yes, it can say like this also. This is rare, but it can say like that also. But you will find that as you let go of all your thoughts, you will find yourself in satsang, in Your own holy Presence.

Amaya says, “Yes, always find myself in satsang.” Good. And then she says, “10 months non-stop…”  So beautiful. Very good.

Yes, and I know that times have not been easy in terms of the satsang timing. I know also that for many of you these are unnatural times, and still you make it a point to be here. So much love and gratitude to you. Thank you so much. That’s very good.

Ginger says, “Thank you for making this entire life an inferno.” Very beautiful. Who can say ‘thanks’ for something like this? So beautiful. Very good.

Stacy says, “Thank you for this satsang, Father. So much gratitude. I love you so much. At your lotus feet.” Thank you so much, my dear. You’re always in my Heart.

[Video cuts off.]

[Sangha chat messages continue for a bit]:

Anantaji ki Jai. Love you. Thank you.

Q: Ananta, ‘person’ has faded so much. Still not quite gone. Was of course never here.”    See in this sentence itself, the truth is here. That it seems like it is not quite gone but in the same breath you say it was never here. This is very good. So it is only a seeming that it is not gone. In actuality, in reality it was never here.    “It makes life pretty peculiar. I am here and I am absolutely not here.

Yes. But you were never here as a person, you see. In any moment can you show me a person?

Q: Silence everywhere. Inside. Outside. Outer noise, no problem. Only silence is heard.

Yes.

Q: I really want to merge completely into Oneness/Existence of God. So I guess there is nothing except waiting patiently for the complete emergence?

This is what we say about ‘it is water itself that seems to be now thirsting for water’. You cannot not be the Self. You cannot not be Awareness. You cannot not be the Witnessing and become anything else. You can try it right now. Stop being the Witnessing and become a person and show me. How will you do this trick? Therefore person-hood is nothing to be scared of. Even in the strongest belief in person-hood you are Awareness alone. This truth is not coming and going. This truth is eternal.

Any of you, can you stop being Awareness and show me now? Become a person and show me. [Laughing] Because remember, some of you remember that we used to have a bet of one thousand dollars. If you can become a person, really, and show me then I will give you a thousand dollars right now.

So what you are referring to is a particular state. It is setting conditions on your awakening, setting conditions to your freedom. The only thing, if we can say something is required to be done, then the only thing required to be done is to not believe any of these thoughts. See we’ve made it so simple. Don’t believe any of these thoughts. And it is completely…, this power, is completely yours. This power to withdraw your belief from these thoughts is completely yours. Don’t let any thought convince you otherwise. Believe my words. Don’t believe the words of this mind.

Now you are free. Now you are free. You are all free!

And I’m not talking about some utopian state. And I’m not wearing rose colored spectacles in which I’m seeing you in a special light. I can say this about all Beings. How do I know that you are completely free? Because I know that there is no bondage possible for you. You cannot be bound at all. Can anybody show me what really binds you? How are you not free? Only when you refer to your thoughts, you refer to your ideas you have about yourself then this kind of confusion will come.

It’s time to now drop all of this. Just simple; three, two one drop it! It is done. It is all nothing, nothing, nothing. Don’t pick up a thought and show me the trouble.

Very good.

There was a request in the ‘chat’ to speak about Bhakti. And I’m not sure if this term is familiar to all of you but Bhakti roughly translates into devotion. But I would say a better way to define Bhakti would be to say surrender. See? Surrender. So Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi had said that if you want to find the Self there are two ways. One is to surrender and the second is to inquire about your true nature. Both lead to the same goal. Both can lead to the complete realization of your true Self, this Self-realization which all of us are seeking.

And in today’s world there seems to be some sort of a dichotomy between Bhakti and Jnani; between Devotion and the path of Self-Inquiry. But today hopefully we will see that they are the same. They’re ultimately the same. We can look at how this is.

So what does it mean to surrender? Surrender actually means to hand over your existence to Existence. To hand over your existence to God, to the Guru, to the Universe, to Life: it all means the same thing actually. So when we say ‘I hand over’ or ‘I surrender to You completely. Let Thy will be done’. You see.

So ‘Let Thy will be done’ is a beautiful start. It’s a beautiful start to complete surrender. But today it is coming up to say that although it is a beautiful start maybe in this statement also, there is a need for some completion. What could be the completion of such a beautiful statement ‘Let Thy will alone be done’? Maybe the completion needed here is that ‘You are now even the experiencer. If You are the doer, You must also now be the experiencer as well’. Because to say that ‘You are the doer and yet I am the experiencer’ is only half surrender.

If the Guru is the doer then who must the experiencer be? Can there be any distance or difference between the doer and the experiencer? If Consciousness is the doer then Consciousness itself must be the experiencer isn’t it? And it is important to caution against this half-surrender. Because when we see that this is only half surrender then we will not have these kind of concepts like, ‘Why does God always do this to me? I am such a good person why do I always have to face this suffering?’ These kind of questions will come in the path of Bhakti sometimes. In the devoted ones, this is what we can caution against.

So to say that ‘You are the doer and You alone are the experiencer’ is full surrender. What it means is ‘I cannot find what I am. I see only You anywhere I look. Everything is only my Beloved’. And this devotion must always be accompanied by the presence of love. There cannot be devotion without love. We find that so much love is present here and when love is present then fear cannot exist. Love and fear are opposites. If true love is present then fear cannot exist. You see? And when fear doesn’t exist then it is complete surrender. So surrender means this state of fearlessness. And whatever existence has in store for me is completely fine.

So this is Devotion. This is Bhakti. To see the Beloved in everything that is seen. This is devotion. So then, ultimately at the end of this journey, at the end of this seeming journey, you will see that the Seeing and the seen are not separate. That ‘I and my Beloved were never separate. There is no distinguishing line left now between me and the Beloved One’. This is Oneness. This is Jnana. You see?

So what happens is that the fruit or the prasad of this devotion, this surrender, is to attain the Jnana of true Self-Knowledge as well. Therefore there is no dichotomy on this path. So the devotee will ultimately come to the place of Oneness. And the words that he speaks will be completely the same as a Jnani’s words. Because now he has seen the truth. So devotion is not devoid of Self -Knowledge or Advaita or the non-dual path. There is no dichotomy.

In the same way, the ones who are temperamentally inclined towards searching or inquiring or knowledge then they come to the same conclusion that there is no difference between the Seeing and the seen. That ultimately Awareness and Consciousness are One. And resting in this Awareness, it is not possible to be in this Awareness without the presence arising of love and devotion. This surrender automatically arises for the Jnani as well. So then it can be said that this devotion, this surrender is the fruit or the prasad of the Jnani. He is not left without this Pure Love.

So just to visualize: as a metaphor you can look at it as two rivers going into the same Ocean ultimately, going into the same Ocean of true understanding, true realization; truly what you really are. So this is a little bit about Bhakti devotion or surrender.

See, one tendency I notice sometimes is that we say that ‘I know that this is true but, but, but…this is what is happening.’ You see? We say ‘I know that this is true but still…’

Now is the time to drop this ‘but’. Drop this ‘But still, this happens’. Nothing happens. Nothing is happening. If I were able to believe your stories about yourself, then I would be completely useless to you. Then I would be part of the problem actually.

But this does not mean that I do not care. You see, sometimes it becomes confused like this. ‘I am not concerned’ does not mean ‘I do not care’. There is no concern here about anything at all. There is a lot of love here, there is a lot of compassion and I do care. You see? And because I care, I cannot let you believe your stories about yourself. And how will I stop you from believing your stories about yourself if I myself also believe them first?

Everything we can say about our self is only a story.

No one can speak the truth. Nothing has ever happened to you. None of this Maya has ever happened actually. It’s just not possible.

You are always the Supreme One.

And because you are the Supreme One, I am completely unconcerned.

And yet I care. You see?

So I say very simply that ‘Just don’t believe your next thought’.

And in this it is enough. And I see no complication in this. I see no difficulty in this.

And if you believe my words, then in this moment you have finished your suffering.

All the storyfication can be gone right now.

There is no problem.

Namaste everyone, a very warm welcome to satsang today. Moojiji ki Jai.

So much love to all of you. Thank you all so very much for joining in. And if this is your first time in satsang, the way to ask questions is through the chat window.

[A beautiful exchange between Anantaji and Sita, his daughter. Our little sister.]

Namaste, namaste. Oh, Kanchun and Vasundhara are also here. Welcome, welcome. Very good. So if there are any questions you can ask through the chat window.

So there was a request in the ‘chat’ to speak about Bhakti. And I’m not sure if this term is familiar to all of you but Bhakti roughly translates into devotion. But I would say a better way to define Bhakti would be to say surrender. See? Surrender. So Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi had said that if you want to find the Self there are two ways. One is to surrender and the second is to inquire about your true nature. Both lead to the same goal. Both can lead to the complete realization of your true Self, this Self-realization which all of us are seeking.

And in today’s world there seems to be some sort of a dichotomy between Bhakti and Jnani; between Devotion and the path of Self-Inquiry. But today hopefully we will see that they are the same. They’re ultimately the same. We can look at how this is.

So what does it mean to surrender? Surrender actually means to hand over your existence to Existence. To hand over your existence to God, to the Guru, to the Universe, to Life: it all means the same thing actually. So when we say ‘I hand over’ or ‘I surrender to You completely. Let Thy will be done’. You see.

So ‘Let Thy will be done’ is a beautiful start. It’s a beautiful start to complete surrender. But today it is coming up to say that although it is a beautiful start maybe in this statement also, there is a need for some completion. What could be the completion of such a beautiful statement ‘Let Thy will alone be done’? Maybe the completion needed here is that ‘You are now even the experiencer. If You are the doer, You must also now be the experiencer as well’. Because to say that ‘You are the doer and yet I am the experiencer’ is only half surrender.

If the Guru is the doer then who must the experiencer be? Can there be any distance or difference between the doer and the experiencer? If Consciousness is the doer then Consciousness itself must be the experiencer isn’t it? And it is important to caution against this half-surrender. Because when we see that this is only half surrender then we will not have these kind of concepts like, ‘Why does God always do this to me? I am such a good person why do I always have to face this suffering?’ These kind of questions will come in the path of Bhakti sometimes. In the devoted ones, this is what we can caution against.

So to say that ‘You are the doer and You alone are the experiencer’ is full surrender. What it means is ‘I cannot find what I am. I see only You anywhere I look. Everything is only my Beloved’. And this devotion must always be accompanied by the presence of love. There cannot be devotion without love. We find that so much love is present here and when love is present then fear cannot exist. Love and fear are opposites. If true love is present then fear cannot exist. You see? And when fear doesn’t exist then it is complete surrender. So surrender means this state of fearlessness. And whatever existence has in store for me is completely fine.

So this is Devotion. This is Bhakti. To see the Beloved in everything that is seen. This is devotion. So then, ultimately at the end of this journey, at the end of this seeming journey, you will see that the Seeing and the seen are not separate. That ‘I and my Beloved were never separate. There is no distinguishing line left now between me and the Beloved One’. This is Oneness. This is Jnana. You see?

So what happens is that the fruit or the prasad of this devotion, this surrender, is to attain the Jnana of true Self-Knowledge as well. Therefore there is no dichotomy on this path. So the devotee will ultimately come to the place of Oneness. And the words that he speaks will be completely the same as a Jnani’s words. Because now he has seen the truth. So devotion is not devoid of Self -Knowledge or Advaita or the non-dual path. There is no dichotomy.

In the same way, the ones who are temperamentally inclined towards searching or inquiring or knowledge then they come to the same conclusion that there is no difference between the Seeing and the seen. That ultimately Awareness and Consciousness are One. And resting in this Awareness, it is not possible to be in this Awareness without the presence arising of love and devotion. This surrender automatically arises for the Jnani as well. So then it can be said that this devotion, this surrender is the fruit or the prasad of the Jnani. He is not left without this Pure Love.

So just to visualize: as a metaphor you can look at it as two rivers going into the same Ocean ultimately, going into the same Ocean of true understanding, true realization; truly what you really are. So this is a little bit about Bhakti devotion or surrender.

Okay, so there’s a bit of chat which I missed. Welcome. Welcome Mike as well. Very good to have you with us again.

Loney says, “Ananta, person has faded so much. Still not quite gone. Was of course never here.”    See in this sentence itself, the truth is here. That it seems like it is not quite gone but in the same breath you say it was never here. This is very good. So it is only a seeming that it is not gone. In actuality, in reality it was never here.    “It makes life pretty peculiar. I am here and I am absolutely not here.”    Yes.

But you were never here as a person, you see. In any moment can you show me a person?

And then you say, “Silence everywhere. Inside. Outside. Outer noise, no problem. Only silence is heard.”    Yes.    “I really want to merge completely into Oneness/Existence of God. So I guess there is nothing except waiting patiently for the complete emergence?”

This is what we say about ‘it is water itself that seems to be now thirsting for water’. You cannot not be the Self. You cannot not be Awareness. You cannot not be the Witnessing and become anything else. You can try it right now. Stop being the Witnessing and become a person and show me. How will you do this trick? Therefore person-hood is nothing to be scared of. Even in the strongest belief in person-hood you are Awareness alone. This truth is not coming and going. This truth is eternal.

Any of you, can you stop being Awareness and show me now? Become a person and show me. [Laughing] Because remember, some of you remember that we used to have a bet of one thousand dollars. If you can become a person, really, and show me then I will give you a thousand dollars right now.

So what you are referring to is a particular state. It is setting conditions on your awakening, setting conditions to your freedom. The only thing, if we can say something is required to be done, then the only thing required to be done is to not believe any of these thoughts. See we’ve made it so simple. Don’t believe any of these thoughts. And it is completely…, this power, is completely yours. This power to withdraw your belief from these thoughts is completely yours. Don’t let any thought convince you otherwise. Believe my words. Don’t believe the words of this mind.

Now you are free. Now you are free. You are all free!

And I’m not talking about some utopian state. And I’m not wearing rose colored spectacles in which I’m seeing you in a special light. I can say this about all Beings. How do I know that you are completely free? Because I know that there is no bondage possible for you. You cannot be bound at all. Can anybody show me what really binds you? How are you not free? Only when you refer to your thoughts, you refer to your ideas you have about yourself then this kind of confusion will come.

[Sternly] It’s time to now drop all of this. Just simple; three, two one drop it! It is done. It is all nothing, nothing, nothing. Don’t pick up a thought and show me the trouble. Very good.

Namaste. Narasimha Murthy is here. He says, “Do the ‘DEW’ which means Doer, Experiencer, [laughs] Witness.”    Yes.

Shanti says, “The more devotion I feel, just naturally the more I want to inquire.”    Very good. This could be called a virtuous cycle, isn’t it?

Belief in thought is a vicious cycle which leads to deepening of identity. The more identity we pick up the more we feel that we are being attacked and the need to defend. And the more we feel that we need to attack or defend, the more thoughts we will pick up on how to do this. That I call defense. So that can be called a vicious cycle. A vicious circle.

And this can be called a virtuous circle, [the cycle referred to in the question] which means that devotion feeds on knowledge, knowledge feeds on devotion. Truth cannot be far now. It is already here. This is very good.

Soham says, “Such a great point about half surrender. Thank you Father.”     Very welcome. Yes.     He says, “In this devotion there is only the Beloved. Only the One. So, no person.”    Yes. Lovely. Very good.

Wiebke says, “So beautiful to hear these words Ananta. Thank you very much.”    Very welcome, my dear.

Shanti says, “Yes Doer / Experiencer is all a great sea of joy!”    Very good.

Shinein [Julio] Namaste. “No separation.”    Very good.

Ananya says, “Father, I’m unable to hear you. Just sitting here in silence and seeing you.”    The rest are able to hear fine? Maybe there’s a problem with her computer but if the rest are also not able to hear, then let me know.

Shanti says, “Thank you for the explanation, Father.”    Very welcome my dear.

Ananya says, “Most beautiful silent movie.”    Very good. [Laughing]

Julio says, “As the Seer, person-hood is fading. As the Seen, it is non-existent.”     Very good.  Yes. This is a very beautiful point. You see? Very beautiful point.

Because initially we say that ‘Be the Witness’. Initially it is okay for those who are new to satsang for the pointing to be ‘Just be the witness of all of this coming and going’. Then when the witness state becomes steady and all is allowed to come and go, then we say ‘Is there really a witnessing entity also? Is there someone who is being the witness?’ And this someone cannot be found. What is found is the Pure Witnessing itself, the Pure Awareness itself. You see? So there is no Seer actually.

There is no Seer. And this is shocking for many traditionalists. For so long we’ve heard about the Seer, the Witness. In many scriptures also it is said like this; The Seer of the Witness. But actually there is no Seer. There is only the Seeing.

All of you have the capacity to hear these words now because you’re not so much hypnotized by thoughts. So all this will make sense to you. Very good.

Namaste, Atma. Very good. Very good, Julio, very good.

Shanti says, “The minds words are no match for your words. So much strength and compassion.”     Very good.

Loney says, “I cannot become a person.”     Very good.    “Three, two, one dropped and done.”     And then [Laughing] she says “almost.” You see? This ‘almost’ comes from where?

This ‘almost’ comes from some meaning given to some thought still. Some meaning given to some idea of a person. And this ‘almost’ will fade away in satsang. This will go. But I’m happy at least that you’re able to say this with integrity. It is very good.

Atma says, “Today is nine months full that I am with you. And It is done.”     [Laughing and smiling] Aw, just nine months? Seems like a life-time. I’ve known you for many life-times it seems. Very good.

Namaste, Ishani. So much love. Very good.

Om says, “Father, picking up a thought feels a bit like constructing a dam across a river of thoughts that simply flows by. Once the Dam is constructed, Damn!”     [Laughing]    He says, “Once a dam’s constructed…Damn! It gives more space for water thoughts to flow.”

This is good because when we pick up, it becomes like a dam. You see? And this virtual dam is like the idea of being a person, and then this dam is holding more and more of these thoughts. More and more thoughts are getting stuck onto this non-existent entity. So more and more water is stored in the reservoir or the dam. You see? It is like this concept of person-hood. Yes. Very good.

When we let go, we stop holding on, we see that this river was always flowing. There was nothing in our control anyway. You see? This is another important point about surrender. Surrender is not a doing. It is only a realization that ‘I was always surrendered’. It was just a realization that ‘I never existed anyway’. Ultimately that is the realization, but in the beginning it can be seen that ‘I was always surrendered. Nothing was ever in my control anyway. It is only this interpreter voice, this voice of thoughts which was convincing me that I am doing something or am in control of something’.

Kapil says, “A/V is good here.”

Ajnani says “Fearless. Yes, there is nobody to fear from anything.”   Yes. No need for any defense. What needs to be defended now? What needs to be defended now?

There are many on the path who, once they feel they know something then they want to defend it with all their life. ‘Yes, I know I’m Awareness. How can you say I’m a person?!’ [Laughs] You see? This still smells of person-hood. Isn’t it? But to see that there is nobody here to defend at all then you know that you cannot be attacked. Can space be attacked? Can the sky be attacked? No thought can actually attack the sky. No cloud can actually attack the sky. Very good.

Vishwas is here. Good, good, good.

Loney says, “I am the Witnessing and that is seen and felt by no one.”     [Big smile and nodding ‘yes’] You see? You say you are the Witnessing and this is felt by no one. But Witnessing itself is reporting that it is the Witnessing. It is not a ‘thing’. It’s a ‘No Thing’, but it is that from which all ‘things’ emerge actually. You see?

Then you say, “A short period after pure seeing, pure bliss, illusions are back. Not very heavy and nothing sticks any more. But maybe I need a cesarean.”

Let all appearances come. You show me how an appearance can touch you, how a cloud is touching the sky. Can you show me how Witnessing can be touched by any appearance? No matter what the illusion is. Whether it is sublime or horrendous. [Chuckle] Satsang is your cesarean. Very good.

Atma says, “Yes. Many life-times.”    Very good.

Shanti says, “There is no one here to be in or out of control. Really!”    Yes. There is no one here.

Zoe says that, “The realization that the person never existed is such an old familiar feeling.”    Yes.    “It has always been known on some level.”     Yes. Even when the day- dream is on, it cannot be that you have completely forgotten your true Self.

Julio says, “Person-hood equals arrogance.”    Yes. At some level it is true. Very true

Person-hood means that ‘God is everywhere but me, and I am separate from God and I can do something’ that ‘I am something’, that ‘I control something’. You see? If this is not arrogance then what is it? To feel that ‘I can have a will which is separate from God’, to feel that ‘I can be a separate entity’ is just the arrogance of the impossible one, of the one that never existed.

That is why this is such a funny game. Isn’t it? Um? The ego is the impossible one. It is never here. It never existed.

Narasimha Murthy says, “How do you see yourself (Beloved) in everything without deflection or deviation?”    It is a very good question. So I say don’t force yourself. Don’t force this.

So this set of ‘post it’s’ that’s lying here, the process its not to look at it and say ‘I am this set of post it’s’. It is not like this. This is automatically going to flow. When you see that you are this Pure Witnessing itself and all phenomena comes from within you, you will know that all of this is yours. You see God gives birth as Being inside Pure Awareness. And it is this Beloved which is everything, which is everywhere. But if this is not an insight yet then you don’t force it. You just find out who you really are. And just stay with what you really are. Don’t give your belief to any thoughts and one day it will be so clear that ‘All of this is me. It is my own Self being projected in this way. It is my own Being which is the creator of all of this phenomenal appearance. In the light of my own Being all this is appearing’.

Can anything appear without your Being? If Being is not there then can any phenomena appear? You see? This is very good. It’s an excellent contemplation. You just find out who you really are and stay with that then this insight that all is Consciousness will also arise. It is good.

Soham says, “Yesterday there was so much mental activity witnessed with adding employment as that seemed to be the topic of the day. It took some vigilance not to be drawn in. Last night I said on chat that it was like a mental turkey shoot.”     [Laughing] Yes. Or like the baseball game that we play sometimes, yes.    “One thought after another popping up and getting shot down. They had no chance.”     Yes.

So playfully we can play like this but in a completely fearless way. No thought can hurt you now. No thought can touch you because you have let go of your identities and thoughts can only attack beliefs, concepts called identity. Thoughts have no chance now for you. For all of you. [Chuckling]

Atma says, “The arrogance of the impossible one. Wow! Love this.”    Yes. ‘The impossible one’ you see.

Julio says, “I see that seeing the Self everywhere. It is known without knowing. Effortlessly love.”     Yes. It’s completely effortless.

Love is in service to you now. It is always in service to your Being. It takes no effort to find love.

You see all the teachings of the mind, all the pointings from the mind (from the ego) are upside down. Everything is upside down.

It is that simple, no? It is as simple as not believing your next thought. See, one tendency I notice sometimes is that we say that ‘I know that this is true but, but, but…this is what is happening.’ You see? We say ‘I know that this is true but still…’ Now is the time to drop this ‘but’. Drop this ‘But still, this happens’. Nothing happens. Nothing is happening. If I were able to believe your stories about yourself, then I would be completely useless to you. Then I would be part of the problem actually.

But this does not mean that I do not care. You see, sometimes it becomes confused like this. ‘I am not concerned’ does not mean ‘I do not care’. There is no concern here about anything at all. There is a lot of love here, there is a lot of compassion and I do care. You see? And because I care, I cannot let you believe your stories about yourself. And how will I stop you from believing your stories about yourself if I myself also believe them first? Everything we can say about our self is only a story.

No one can speak the truth. Nothing has ever happened to you. None of this Maya has ever happened actually. It’s just not possible. You are always the Supreme One. And because you are the Supreme One, I am completely unconcerned. And yet I care. You see?

So I say very simply that ‘Just don’t believe your next thought’. And in this it is enough. And I see no complication in this. I see no difficulty in this. And if you believe my words, then in this moment you have finished your suffering. All the storyfication can be gone right now. There is no problem. [Nods head and smiles to gesture that this is final].

Loney says, “Ananta, your pointings, your satsangs are so clear and consistent and loving. Whatever confusion could remain always drops away.”    Yes. Very good.    “Clouds disappear. Thank you, thank you, thank you.”    Very good.

You see? Clouds disappear or appear; just be fearless about it. Even if strong storm clouds appear, strong storm clouds appear yet they cannot touch the sky. They only seem to appear in the sky but the sky is not hurt by them. The lightning also cannot hurt the sky. All is allowed to appear and disappear. So don’t feel that if some clouds are appearing that something is happening to you. Nothing is actually happening to you. Very good.

Namaste, Louise. Very good.

Shanti says, “Can we have a guided meditation or just sit quietly with you, Father?”      So it’s at 5:15 pm now? Okay, so if there are no burning questions after I read everyone, then we can sit in silence for a while. That’s a good idea.

Jayani says, “Yes Father. Nothing is happening. Kicking all ‘buts’ out the window.”     Very good. It’s as simple as that. Very good.

Julio says, “So much love seems to be the only words that spontaneously arise. I don’t mind.”     Very beautiful. Yes.

Zurim says, “Yes. I know that this is true but, but, but… this is happening. [Joke]”     You see this ‘but, but, but’ is trouble. [Laughing] Yes.    “Love you so much Father.”    Love you too my dearest one. Very good.   “Thank you for your words and guidance. So much trust is here.” Very good.

This trust will take care of it all. This trust is enough to take care of all of it. Everything is my problem now. Very good.

Soham says, “Devotion has played a larger part in this for me. I trust you so completely, Father. And also seeing that all appearances arise within me proves that trust.”    Very good.    “So it is clear that there is no person here and God is running the show.”     Yes. This is very good.    “Therefore why worry about jobs or anything else?”     Yes.

So no desire and no aversion. I feel the guidance that is required for most Beings who are coming to satsang is to say also ‘no aversion’. Sometimes we have swung the pendulum too far back. We have gone so far back from our desires that somehow they have become aversions sometimes. So it is the same thing: to desire or to desire not to have something. Both are the same thing. Therefore no desire and no aversion; let life flow as it is. Job coming, then job is coming. Job is going, then job is going. Hands are moving, then hands are moving. Mouth is moving, then mouth is moving. [Laughs] Mouth is not moving then, mouth is not moving. And it seems to be moving a lot today, so I will shut up soon. [Laughing] Very good.

Atma says, “I am very happy you are unconcerned about my stories.”     Very good. Thank you, my dear. Very good.

Shanti says, “Just following your pointing is enough.”    Yes.

Julio says, “Yes. I believe. All gone.”     Yes. Very good!

Ajnani says, “There is not even any bit of ‘but’.”    Very good.    “No ‘buts’ left. Thank you.”     Very good.

Zoe says, “If trust in you is enough, Father, then it is done. Love you so much.”    Yes.

So what we said is that this devotion means that ‘You Father, are the doer and the experiencer. There is no separate me left here any more’. This is trust. And if this is the trust, then it is done. Very good.

Soham says, “Yes, that aversion was arising yesterday, too.”    Yes.   “Mind was saying to be a sadhu, sit in a cave. This was seen, too.”    Very good.

You cannot be caught in any of this now. Neither this nor that. Just neutral. This car moves perfectly well in neutral. Don’t need to put any gears on it; neither forward nor reverse. Nothing is required. [Chuckle] Very good.

Ustreamer4825 says, “Namaste, I want to experience I am not a person. How can I get this state? If I keep to focus ‘present’ is it bring to there?”    Yes. This is a very good start. A very good start. You say that ‘If I am in the present, then is this the state of non-person-hood?’ Yes.

When you are completely in the present, can you show me where the person is? You can show me the body. You can show me the body. But most of the time when you’re referring to yourself you’re not referring to yourself as a body. You are referring to yourself as a person.

You say, ‘I have problems about relationships’. You say ‘I have problems about money’. You see? These are not the body’s problems. So when you say that ‘This is what my problems’ are then you’re referring to the problems of this imagined entity. So actually you can never become this person. You can only imagine yourself to be this person. And you imagine yourself to be this person by believing your thoughts. It is only thoughts which are referring to you as a person. Everything else is just dancing for your entertainment. All the appearances are coming and going for your entertainment. This dance of Shiva, this dance of Nataraj is just there for your entertainment in service to you.

But if you pick up a thought, if you believe a thought, then it will seem like the dance which Shiva is dancing is trampling you. The dance of Shiva will then become very heavy. It will seem like it is trampling you. But it is not trampling you.

You see, in mythology we see that Shiva is dancing on top of the ‘asuras’, on top of the demons. So this demon is nothing but the idea that ‘I am separate from Shiva’. It is only an idea. So right now, in this moment, you are not a person. You are just the witness of all this which is appearing and going. You are the witness of these words. You’re just the witness and this witness is not a person. It is actually not a thing at all. But for now, where you said, you see, in this very moment if you don’t pick up thought then you cannot become a person. This is the non-person-hood that you are asking for. It is already available in this very moment.

Just don’t believe your next thought. This is the simplest pointing I have given all of you. And this pointing is enough.

Very good. Welcome. Welcome to satsang. Very good.

So unless there are some burning questions, some strong freedom questions, let us just be in silence for a few minutes today.

[In stillness, looks at screen for some minutes sometimes closing eyes]

May none of you leave this satsang today with the belief that you are bound.

May none of you also leave this satsang today with the belief that you are free.

May you be empty of all beliefs.

May you be free from all concepts.

May you be the Pure Space in which all is allowed to come and go.

Yet you are completely untouched by any movement.

May none of the stories appeal to you now.

May all identity be burnt in the fire of satsang.

May you see now that no thought is true.

May Grace open your eyes to your true Self.

May you see that you are Shiva Himself.

Om Namah Shivaya. Om Shanti, Shanti, Shanti.

Very good. Jesse. So much love.

[As the sangha is showering gratitude and love onto Anantaji, he responds with great love].

So much love to all of you.

Zoe, please give my love to Mike. He is so amazing. I love him dearly. Very good, Loney. Very good. So much love to all of you.

Thank you, Shanti. Thank you, Soham. Thank you, Ishani. Thank you, Jesse. Thank you, Jayani. Thank you, Prema. Thank you, Zoe. Thank you, Loney. Thank you, Ananya. Thank you, Zurim. Thank you, Aradhana. Thank you, Vivi. Thank you, Kapil. Thank you, Amaya. Thank you, Vishwas. Thank you, Om. Thank you, Lizelle. Thank you, Ajnani. Thank you ALL so very much for this beautiful satsang.

Mooji ki Jai! [Namaste] [Blows kiss and waves good bye]

Sangha: Mooii ki Jai! Anantaji ki Jai! Thank you. Love you.

May none of you leave this satsang today with the belief that you are bound.

May none of you also leave this satsang today with the belief that you are free.

May you be empty of all beliefs.

May you be free from all concepts.

May you be the Pure Space in which all is allowed to come and go.

Yet you are completely untouched by any movement.

May none of the stories appeal to you now.

May all identity be burnt in the fire of satsang.

May you see now that no thought is true.

May Grace open your eyes to your true Self.

May you see that you are Shiva Himself.

Om Namah Shivaya.

Om Shanti, Shanti, Shanti.

Namaste, everyone. Very warm welcome to satsang today. Moojiji ki jai!

Thank you all for joining in. And if this is your first time in satang, the way to ask questions is through the chat window. Namaste. Welcome. Namaste, welcome, welcome.

Bhagavatiji says, “Joining you with Nirmayi.”  Welcome, Nirmayi. Good.

No journeys are required now. No path is required; nowhere to go. What you are seeking is already here. The Satguru stays in your own heart. Your own Being is the Satguru himself. Your own Being is God himself. Then what could you be looking for now?

Where would you like to go? What would you like to happen? Which event is required to prove to you that you are completely free now?

Namaste, welcome.

What you seem to be missing is your own Being. And I said seem to be, you see? Your own Being is the source of all phenomena. Everything that you could look for in the human experience comes from this Being itself. And you cannot stop Being. So there’s nowhere to go, nothing to find. You cannot stop this Being. That’s why we say that it’s not even the fish that’s thirsting for water now. The fish in the ocean thirsting for water is a funny example. But this is the water thirsting for water! The Self trying to find the Self is water trying to quench its thirst. You are what you need to quench your thirst. You are what you have been thirsting for. Where would you need to go to find yourself?

How could the Self have gone missing that now you are looking for it?

So the question ‘Who am I?’, or the enquiry ‘Who am I?’ is the simplest enquiry. It’s the simplest question; but for the mind it is the most difficult. But if you stop relying on the mind for a little bit of time, you will see that you have always been this pure Witnessing which is witnessing all that is appearing.

And you cannot stop being this pure Awareness. [Silence]

So what are you right now? [Silence]

We can all check and see what is true for yourself. There is no need even to take my word for it.  Just verify whether what is being said in satsang is true or not.

Who are you right now? We don’t need to go to memory, we don’t need to go to imagination. No past is required, no future exists. Right now, what are you? [Silence]

And we can answer what comes to our heart as a true seeing of what I am. [Silence]

Namaste.

Zoe says, “Every word you say rings true in my heart, dearest Father, and I know it to be true from my own experience; such joy!” This is very good.

You have to check from your own experience. The pointing is pointing you back to your true understanding of your own Self.

Loney says, “I am – nothing – spacious – nothingness.”  Yes. Very good. Very good.

So in the moment it is very easily seen that I am this; that I am this Beingness and ultimately I am this Awareness aware of even this Beingness. It’s very simply seen. Is there any trouble in this? Is there any suffering in this? In this that you see now, is there any trouble at all? Is there any problem in the right now? [Silence]

We can all check and say: In the right now, is there any trouble?

Welcome Adam.

Vivi said, “I am this.”  Yes.

Kapil says, “What I can say from my experience right now is ‘I am aware’…, and ‘I don’t suffer as long as I don’t believe a thought’.”

Yes. I am aware. See? He says ‘I am aware’. It’s not a person that he’s talking about. This Awareness does not belong to a person. And if it did, if there is still a feeling that this Awareness belongs to a person, they must look for this ‘person’. Find out if this person exists.

Amaya says, “No trouble right now.”  Yes.

Kapil says, “I don’t.”  Yes.

Stacy says, “No trouble at all…, very content. No trouble. Only peace and love.”  This is very good.

So, can any of you say in this moment, in the right now, there is some trouble? Is there some suffering in this present moment?

Very good. Lizelle says, “Not even the mental ability to label IT.”  Yes.

Zoe says, “Any problems are only the problems in a story.”  Yes. “Either the story of the past or a story of the future, but in right now, there is no trouble at all.”  Very good.

Loney says, “No trouble. Only vast seeing.”

Zoe says, “And the story isn’t ever real!”  Yes. Very good.

Vivi says, “All is well.”

Then, what can come?

All of you say there is no trouble right now, not even the concept of suffering exists. You see it is the rare one; in this humanity it is the rare one who can speak these words, that now not even the concept of suffering exists.  You see?

So then now, what can happen which can make you suffer?

What is the work that is required from the place of non-suffering to go to a place of suffering?

What is it that is needed to be done?

What do you need to do to suffer now?

And I’ll wait for some answers.

[Ananya and her friend enter the room.] Ananya and her friend are also here. [Speaking to them] So if you have some questions, you can also ask.

So Ginger says, “I cannot ever suffer. I can only imagine I am suffering.”

Ishani says, “Father, I don’t know if this is a question, but just wanted to check that attention, in the sense of Being, is very blissful? Attention resting in Awareness is just empty, it feels like.”  Yes. Yes.

So when attention is with the sense of Being, or the sense that I Am, we can still say that there is attention. We can see that attention is still on something. You see? But when attention is completely at home, or in Awareness itself, as you say, then we cannot even call it attention, isn’t it? Even the concept of attention is not there in pure Awareness; so attention can only be said when attention is on a phenomenal object. So that’s why we say that if attention is at home then it is resting in Awareness itself, and nothing at all can be reported from there; at least, nothing phenomenal.  [Silence]

[Looking across to Ananya and friend] Any of you in some pain or some discomfort?

Ananya: “She says she wanted…she’s been longing to come here.”

To Ananya’s friend: You have a question? “No, Guruji, I don’t. No, nothing.”

To Ananya: You want to get this fan? [Pointing to the ceiling fan.]

So Vivi says, “No suffering.”

Zoe says, “To suffer, I first have to imagine myself to be a person, and limited.”  Yes.  “And then I have to imagine problems for this imaginary person. Lots of hard work!”

Ishani says, “Although Awareness is meant to be higher, it feels like there is a feeling to just be blissful in Being.”  Yes.

There is a lot of bliss in being with the sense of Being. This pure Being is here and maybe to experience this love, this bliss, this peace, this joy could be the reason for Being coming into existence.

You see? Otherwise if Awareness is all there is then as a modulation of this Awareness, why would this Being come into play? Maybe it was to experience this bliss. But ultimately you will see that even this bliss will have no meaning for you. Even this, the highest bliss of Being itself, you will see that it’s another experience, or just another state. But there is no harm in resting in this sense of Being; in fact many call it the ultimate sadhana, actually.

Naomi says, “If I believe the story that something is happening to ‘me’ it seems there is always some perceived ‘suffering’ but the story about this ‘me’ person is not real.” Yes. This is very good.

[Silence]

I’m getting the sense that one of you is in some strong pain or discomfort.  So I hardly speak about these things, I know but suddenly there’s this strong energetic force which I’m feeling and it’s completely all right. Just be in satsang.

Ananya’s friend: “Sometimes I cannot tell the difference between Being and Seeing. Is there?”

Ultimately, no but it’s pretty apparent, in the sense that if I say: Can you stop being?…, what is the sense you get?

Ananya’s friend: “The sense of I am.”

This sense of Beingness is here. If I say: Can you stop seeing?…, what is the sense you get?

Ananya’s friend: “The Seeing sees the Being.”

Yes. So that is it.

Ananya’s friend: “I’m making sense?”   Yes.

So ultimately even this sense of Being is perceived, isn’t it? And the perceiving is the same. So the same perceiving is perceiving the external world, our internal world; this Being. All of this Being is being perceived by this pure Witnessing; of this Awareness itself. So even if…, in the waking state when we say ‘I cannot stop being’ even that is witnessed, isn’t it? So this Witnessing must be prior even to Being; even before I am. So it is said that the father and the son are the same. The only difference is that the son comes from the father, but the father does not come from the son, although they are the same. So Being comes from Seeing but Seeing is ever present, it does not come from Being.

We see that there is Being here, although there is no Being in the sleep state. There’s nothing; not even Being is there to report. But something is able to say that ‘Being was not there’. So there was an Awareness in sleep state also. And the same Awareness is here also. So Being is the Immaculate Conception which can come in this waking state but in sleep state it is not there.

Someone in the room speaks to Ananta: [Some parts inaudible] “Father why do we…, thought or these feelings…, why do we do that? Or we happen to relate to those thoughts and feelings and we reacting emotionally now? I don’t know what this means.”

So first you must know that it’s very normal, so you should not first beat yourself up about it. Because if you were to take some random polls on the street, you will find most Beings will say ‘Yes, this is true for me also’. You see? So then you’ll not feel guilty about it, at least to start with. Then you will see that…, you said ‘I react to my thoughts’. Yes? So we can actually look for the next thought to come, and the thought will come. Do you create this thought?

“No”

Sure about that?

“Yes.”

That itself is very good; to see that a thought just arises from Consciousness or whatever word you want to use. You see, a thought just arises, then what happens? So a thought comes; suppose a thought is ‘This guy’s making no sense at all’. Then what can happen to this thought?

Someone in the room responds to Ananta [Some parts inaudible] “… bring up another thought”.

Okay, so when this thought comes up, first your attention goes to it, isn’t it? So if attention would not go to it then the thought would just come and go without it even seeming like it ever happened. Wouldn’t it? Like there are so many objects in this room but your attention has gone to some of them and those are real for you. Isn’t it? So first there must be this force called attention which acts on a thought; but just by giving a thought attention, do you react on it? So if the thought is ‘In the next life I will be born as a pink elephant’ then would we react on this?

[Inaudible]

Yeah, so a picture would come up, right? And then it would go, but it would not cause us any suffering. The suffering would come if you would say ‘Why is my best friend behaving in this way?’ You see? Suffering will come from belief in a thought like this. So a thought of a pink elephant will not cause suffering, although attention has gone to both.

So what is the second thing you need to do to get the misery out of a thought? We have a radical way of looking at things. So what else do we need to do to make ourselves suffer as a result of thought? We need to say that this is meaningful to me; this applies to me, you see? This…, what we call giving it our belief. So what happens is you could say…, a thought could be that ‘Ananya should not have brought me’. Or the thought could be like that and attention can go to it, but unless you give it your belief, you will not suffer sitting here. You see? The thought would never come. You would find it’s nice, it’s all fine. But if the thought comes ‘Why am I here?’ or something like that, and we give it our belief, then we are stuck with it. So when you say that ‘I react to my thoughts’ this is actually what is happening.

And it is very simple for us to be able to withdraw our belief. I know a thought will say…, a comment say ‘No it’s not that simple; it’s very difficult’. You see? But this is another thought and you can actually choose to believe it or not. No, the first time it seems a little crazy with this type of talk.

[Inaudible]

So yes, yes because mind will come up now with strong resistance, you see. So all kinds of things could be coming or you could say ‘It’s going blank’ or ‘It’s all confusing’.

[Inaudible]

So what we could actually try is: You don’t believe your next five thoughts.

Try this, no? So we can all actually do this. Don’t believe your next five thoughts. Wait for them to come, and you count till five as you let go of them. But if something comes which gets your belief, then you say it out, whatever it might be. Don’t be scared to expose what it is. You can do like this?

Very good, so all of us can do this starting now. We’ll not believe the next five thoughts that we get.  [Silence]

[Speaking to Ananya and her friend]: Possible or no?  Aware of something that was very sticky or kept coming back?

Ananya’s friend: “It kept coming back, but I still don’t know why I’m here.”

Why you’re here, no? Yeah, it can seem like.

Ananya’s friend: “That’s the only one.” Yes. “The others just went away.” Yes. “I happened to have…, the thoughts which just went away. It was fine. I happened to answer too, yes or no. It was…, the answers were only from yes or no and the first question which arose was ‘What are my feelings here, because feelings happen’.  And the next one is…

[Ananta moves the computer screen round so that Ananya and her friend are in view.]

Ananya: “Namaste

Ananya’s friend: “Namaste. And the next one is ‘Neeru [Ananya’s birth name] has got me’.”

So the first one was that ‘What am I feeling when I am here?’

Ananya’s friend: “Yes.”  Ok.

Ananya’s friend: “I’m feeling peaceful.”  Good.

Ananya’s friend: “And the second question is: ‘Has Neeru got me into a problem here?’ And the third one: ‘Am I feeling peaceful here?’ And the last question just kept on pricking that ‘What am I doing here?’”  Yes.

Ananya’s friend: “And answer was: ‘I don’t know’.”  Yes.

Ananya’s friend: “I don’t know how it was repeated?  … Four times.”

Yes, you see, it is so beautiful because you have seen now clearly that they are just coming and they are going.

Ananya’s friend: “How?”  You see?

Ananya’s friend: “Yes.”

And it is in our giving them our attention and belief that they seem to get some power. Otherwise they would just flow. The clouds in the sky…, actually they just come and they just go. The sky is unaffected by them. See? And, same way, you are untouched. But in your giving them this attention and giving them the belief that it applies to you, that is what makes it powerful. Even your response could have been ‘Oh, why has Neeru brought me here?’ and then the response ‘Eeeyah! She shouldn’t have!’ That kind of response will have come.

[Ananya’s friend nods in agreement.]

But it’s lucky that it did, because the fact is that you did not create either of the responses.

Ananya’s friend: “Yeah…I didn’t.”

Did you not? So if you’re just going to be subservient to these energies which are coming and going then we are completely at their mercy, isn’t it?

So if we feel that she should not have done this, anger could have come. Ok? Some other thought believed in could have led to some other forms of expression / frustration, anger / rage. So we do not want to lead a life which is subservient to just the content of something which we are not creating.

Still sound a little crazy?

[Ananya and her friend giggling and smiling]

It’s okay, it’s completely understandable. But you will realize that what happens is that we feel that ‘I am thinking these thoughts’. But you just said that ‘I did not create them…, it is just coming’.

Ananya’s friend: “Just coming.”

So what makes them my thoughts? Just because they are arising in front of me does it make it something that I believe?

No? So a thought could come that ‘I really like this satsang’ or another thought could come that ‘I really don’t like the satsang’ or a more common one actually is that ‘I don’t think I’m ready yet’. This kind of resistance can come from the mind. But the power of belief rests with you. If we said that ‘A thought of a pink elephant could come’ but automatically the thought of a pink elephant coming does not make you believe that you are a pink elephant. You see? So you have to give it your belief; you have to say something like ‘Okay, I am this’… when thought comes: ‘I’m angry now, I don’t want to be here, I am not ready’. All these kind of thoughts will come.

So freedom from suffering is as simple as this.

I know that all of us have heard that it takes a lot of practice and a lot of sadhana to get to this point where we can be free from all our suffering; a lot of prayer, a lot of meditation is required. But all of that is just preparation for us to come to this point, you see, and for some reason you are at this point now. Now Grace has to decide which way you go. So, I am completely open. So the thoughts could be very strong, resisted now, or the thoughts could be that ‘I’ll just be here, see what will happen’. And you have seen that they just come.

Ananya’s friend: “They just come.”

In this seeing that ‘they just come’ itself you have found the master key to be free from suffering. Because before satsang what would have happened is you would have said “but I am thinking this…”

Ananya’s friend: “Yes.”

“…Why is he doing this to me?” or “Why is this happening to me?” All this kind of thoughts would have come and they would have seemed true in the mind.  You have so much ownership of these thoughts that they seem to run your life. But if you were not to believe them then what is the problem, if you were not to believe them?

[Turning computer screen round] Let me just get this back on track.

Then what is the problem that would come? And you can share, I know there’ll be one or two. If you were to let go of all your thoughts, then what is the problem?

Ananya’s friend responds. [Inaudible]

Yes, yes. So these thoughts are arising to create a sense of separation in you; to create the sense of separateness, that I…, sorry, what’s your name?

Ananya’s friend: “Rameer.”

…that ‘I, Rameer, am separate from Ananya’ or ‘separate from Ananta. So, I am a separate individual who is leading my life’. This concept can come only after belief in thought. When you play a video game a video game, it is a lot more exciting if you believe that you are the character who’s playing it, you know? Girls usually are not so much into gaming but there’s a game like James Bond. It’s no fun if you have no attachment to the character, if they are separate, ‘who is it?’  If it’s like that, then no fun. But there has to be some voice which is saying that ‘I am this character, I’m gonna play this game seriously’. Then the game has a lot more juice, it has a lot more bite, you see, seems a lot more real.

So to make this phenomenal appearance seem real, and to make Rameer’s life seem separate and important, and for you to seem like you have this control over your life, these thoughts will arise.

But usually what happens is if you’re in Satsang, there is something inside of you which is tired of playing the game; you’re tired of all this ups and downs in life; all the suffering, all the problems, all the seeming lack of stability and relationships and so many other things constantly. We are constantly searching for some stability, isn’t it, but it is not to be found in this realm of thought. Thoughts are constantly changing.

Rameer: “Constantly.”

The thoughts a few years back are completely different from your thoughts now. Isn’t it? So we cannot find any sense of stability in this. So if you were to let go of your thoughts, then what could happen?

Rameer: “I would feel free.”

You would feel free?  Very good.

See usually what happens is when I ask this question then people say ‘What will happen to my life?’ Usually people say ‘What will happen to my life, who will pay my bills?’ There’s this presumption that ‘Thoughts are taking care of me’. It’s complete falsehood actually.

So if you were to let go of your thoughts, you yourself say that you would be free. It is as simple as that. Now there are two ways: One I can give you a hundred day program; on each day you do this and each day you do this, and at the end of hundred days I can tell you a secret. Or the second way is I tell you the secret now.

Rameer: “Now.”

Good!  [Laughter]

So the secret to be free from all of your suffering is: To not believe your thoughts.

Make it even simpler: don’t believe your next thought, no matter what it’s saying.

And even if this fear comes…, because it’s very natural for this fear to come that ‘My life is just going to fall apart’ or something like that.

Rameer: [Inaudible]

Good. It’s very, very auspicious that this fear is not coming; but even later if any sort of resistance comes, just let it unfold. Just experiment with it for a day or two and see that everything will continue to move very smoothly. There’ll be no trouble at all.

So this is the simplest, super lazy man’s way to enlightenment: Just don’t believe your next thought. Then you will not suffer. See. And the key for me is the end of suffering.

Me, I’m not so interested in experiences, events, the awakening experience, the lights appearing; all of that I’m not so interested in. The key for me is the end of suffering. If a Being comes and says ‘You have taken away my ability to suffer’ then that for me is enough; because without suffering the sense of separation cannot actually last.

Good. Okay let’s catch up on the chat as well.

So Wiebke said, “Yes, me, Ananta, but I am glad to be here!”

Yes. I feel that there was a strong energy felt here, but it has been processed now and it is gone; so I’m feeling a lot more space here now and I hope it’s the same for you. So much love.

Loney said, “It has been pure bliss, only seeing, no ‘me’…, everything arising in the seeing which is sensed as I.”   Yes.  “Yesterday together with international teacher…”  I’m not sure what that means, “…was saying ‘Awareness is the problem for liberation’. Bliss collapsed; sense of person came back, only very vague though. Your voice and pointing is enough to BE again.”

See, any teacher that we go to, we must not just take their word for it. We must validate for ourselves as to what is being said is true or not. You see? So I never say ‘Just take my word for it and believe these words’ because it is never in the words actually. The words will never accurately describe to you what you really are, especially words like this which make no sense, to me at least, which say that saying that ‘awareness is the problem for liberation’.

How can Awareness be a problem at all? It is what you are. And if Awareness was a problem then this is a problem that cannot be gotten rid of. So maybe the way he was using Awareness, the definition that he was using for Awareness is definitely different from what we say, what we mean Awareness to be.

Lizelle says, “Anantaji, I recently saw that I was ‘chasing’ the feeling of Bliss that comes as a perfume of Awareness / Being”. Yes. “If there was no ‘ananda’ (bliss) I label that as ‘not in Awareness’. This is, of course, no longer there; but thought I’d share.”

This is a beautiful seeing, because many of us have learned to associate the state of freedom as a particular state. Freedom only means a freedom for all states to arise. Freedom is not a state actually; it is a stateless state.

Freedom would not be freedom if it only meant that ‘We must be only like this’. And it would be constrained actually, it would not be freedom. It would be a fearful state; fear of losing a particular state or particular feeling of bliss or joy or love. That is not freedom.

Freedom here means that ‘All is free to come. All energies are free to come and free to go. We are the infinite space in which all can appear and go’.

So there were these uncomfortable feelings which were coming a while ago but they were given space, without the sense that they should be resisted or should not be here; and without the resistance, they don’t last. Some remnants can last; some remnants have been felt here also, but there is no concern to me actually, see, because as Awareness I am untouched by whatever feeling is coming. You see?

So if freedom meant that only bliss should be here, then we would all say that ‘Ananta is not free; because clearly this strong feeling, some emotion, this thing came, some energetic transfer came and he was not in bliss, therefore is he free or not free?’

Freedom only means that there is no concern about it, there is no fear about it. And then when we stop living our life in fear of what state will come. That is freedom.

This is very good, Lizelle.

Zoe says, “Mike is in satsang with us again, beloved Father, just able to read comments.”  So lovely.

[Ananta types a message for Mike]: So great that you’re here with us, Mike. So much Love.

Naomi says, “A thought that has arisen in me that has some ‘juice’ has to do with sharing my joy of the seeing I gained here with ‘the other’ who rejects it by saying ‘This makes no sense’.”   Yes.

It’s much better (and this is what I found in my life also) to not try and tell another. Let them come to you and say ‘What is it that you have? What makes you so peaceful? What makes you unconcerned by whatever is coming?’ And then, when they come to you, that means there is a sense of openness about it. You see? So with our loved ones sometimes that is difficult for them to do, for them to come; so what I suggest is you knock but you knock gently. So you try to say some words and you feel…, just feel if there’s a sense of openness with which they are being received. And if you find that there’s no sense of openness, it’s good to just step back and wait for the right time to come. Don’t try to knock and break the door down because there will be very strong resistance to that.

Naomi says. “The thought arises of defense but I realize this is just a thought added to my emotion that I have identified with.” Yes. Very good.   “Thrown into the fire.”  Very good.

Ishani says, “Father, I think somehow that attention is automatically disappearing in Awareness, and there was a slight fear that I am disappearing/ But I do realize that this is some old idea trying to get noticed, so trying to hold onto Being or anything familiar.”

And if attention is going completely back home, you can completely trust this. You can trust this completely. It will seem a little unsteady to begin with, that even this most reliant (the sense of Being) attention seems to be stepping away from that even, and it can seem a little bit unsteady. But know that nothing is being taken away from you. This Being is also in your service. This is what you will realize.

Atma says, “Namaste, Father and beloveds. I had problems with the internet connection.”

Welcome! Happy Birthday! Hope you have a wonderful day. You are always in our heart. So much love.

And we wish…, we have not forgotten Ananya’s birthday yesterday.

Zoe says, “Mike just messaged me and he said: ‘With thoughts there is no peace.’”

Exactly, you see? As simple as that. So beautiful. In fact this could be a beautiful quote, as this captures it. If he’s still relying on thoughts to find peace, that is not the way to get there. It’ll just lead us down the garden path, this mind. Very good.

Wiebke says, “Yes, same here.”  Very good.

Zurim says, “Namaste, beloved Father and Sangha. Just a few minutes of Satsang today. Enough for me to see your beautiful face and feel your Presence again. Much love to you.”  So much love to you, too. Good.

So much love, Lizelle.

Mike says, “Hi, Ananta. Zoe is passing messages through to me.”   Very good.

I’m so happy you are able to join us in Satsang. I think in fact he might be the first one ever to join a satsang from a ship. [Smiles]. So he’s out at sea and he’s joining satsang from there. So he’s not able to get internet which is enough for audio and video; and he has this feeling to join at least through chat. Can you imagine? So beautiful that is. So much love to you. Very good.

Ananya: “Father, I may say something?”  Yes.

Ananya: [Inaudible]  “…in space, often when I see when everything that just comes and goes, and there’s nothing to report as such.”   Yes.

Ananya: “And when I keep reading the chat of other people’s reports and how people express those things, there’s actually nothing to report. But then I see there’s some sort of fear that comes up that ‘You have nothing to report. I mean, what is this? You have nothing to report!’ So I wanted to expose, to see if I’m not seeing it clearly, or…? It’s because, like, these things keep coming; I keep checking whether this is some sort of a thought [Inaudible] but even if I push myself there’s nothing to report.”  Yes. “But it just doesn’t come out! There’s actually…”

The only report now left is that there’s nothing to report.  [Laughter] It is absolutely fine. I also have nothing to report. [Laughter]

So if you feel that there is nothing actually; all is just coming and going, then no problem, no trouble, no suffering. So you feel is there something missing in this?

Ananya: “It keeps popping up: Are you sure?!”

So don’t need to even be sure about anything. If nothing is sticking, it is completely good. It’s perfectly fine.

See the whole world, 99.99% of humanity, you go to them and say ‘Tell me your problems’. Let them start with and they won’t finish.  They start from everything; every relationship some problem, many problems, work problem, body problem, problems, problems, problems. So it is a rare Being who can say ‘I’ve no problems. I can’t report anything to you’.  So that is not a problem. [Laughter]

Rameer: “Father.”  Yes.

Rameer: “Whenever I have a problem, whenever I feel that something is annoying me…”

[Inaudible]   Yes.

Rameer: “Then in truth [Inaudible] we feel like sharing it with our close [Inaudible], we feel that we might get an answer from them.”  Yes.  “I don’t do that and I find another random person who is somewhere around me and I can share.”  Yes.

Rameer: “And though they give me an answer or a suggestion… [Inaudible] I happen to not [Inaudible] that clearly. And then I go back to my close ones and maybe I’ll share it; and then they just speak to me in such a way that I’m back into my senses. I don’t understand quite why I just choose a person who’s random in the beginning, and then go back to my close friends. I don’t understand why.”

So I can solve this question; or we can get you to what she’s saying which is that ‘I cannot find a problem itself’. So either we can figure out where to go with your problems, or we can get you to a point where you cannot have a problem. Which one do you prefer?

Rameer: “I don’t want a problem.”  Yes. Very good.

You see because once you’re out of problems, then you don’t have to worry about who you’re taking the problem to. So what can our problems be about? It can be about relationships…

Rameer: “Yes.”

… either family or partner, or whatever relationships. Second, is it can be about work, about money, financial security. Third it can be about body, health, pain; body related issues. Any other problem in the worldly realm?

Rameer responds: [Inaudible]

These three main ones. And then the rare problem comes that ‘I am searching for my purpose’ or ‘I am searching for my meaning’ ultimately ‘I am searching for who I am’.

Rameer: “Yes.”

So then, if this problem comes, then it is very good because all the other problems first get wiped away by this one. Because nothing else seems to be relevant once you see that ‘I just want to find out who I am first. Before I can decide how to deal with something or how to live my life, first I should at least know who I am’. So this also becomes a problem for some time.

But these are the four main areas of problems. And we’ve been asking for some time now; but people have not come up with another category. It has only been this. So first it is good to understand that it’s only this much. Though you say ‘It’s so many problems; it’s that, it’s that’. Actually in our life, just these three / four main types of problems.

Now, I can tell you very simply that: ‘You have no problem actually’. Nothing is ever a problem without our belief that something should be other than what it is. Let me repeat that. Nothing is ever a problem unless we believe that it should not be what it is.

You accept that?

You can resist it because that [Inaudible] too much before satsang to accept this.

Rameer: “I’m just trying to…”  Okay.

What the mind will say is ‘How can you say that if my, you know, best friend is behaving badly with me, then how can you say it’s not a problem?’ Actually it is not.

So, you see that, because you are untouched by it. It is only the identity which you have picked up along the way. You picked up this identity that ‘I am a person, I am this one’s best friend, I have a special relationship with this one’. All of these identities have been picked up but actually the person just does not exist.

It’s too strong?

Rameer: “Yes.”

So ‘the person’ is only a set of ideas; and the set of ideas which we have about ourself, like we discussed earlier, keep changing.

Rameer: “Keep changing.”

So where is this ‘person’ who believes these things about themselves? So we believe ‘I’m an honest person, I am truthful, I am good daughter’. All these concepts will be there, but who are they applying to?

You can say ‘me’, it’s okay!

But we cannot find this ‘me’. So the body’s not concerned by the amount of money in the bank. The body’s not concerned even with relationships. Then who is this ‘me’ which is concerned?

See we have this feeling that there’s somebody inside this body. But if we were to get the surgeon and say ‘Okay, let’s cut and see where this person is’ we would not find it.

Rameer: “No.”

So where is this person that we believe ourself to be? It actually does not exist. It is only in our imagination. You see. So this person is only a sum total of all the thoughts we have believed that ‘I am this, I am that, I am this, I am that’. That becomes the person. Then somebody comes and says ‘But you are a liar!’ and because we have a concept about ourselves ‘No I’m not a liar, I’m a truthful person’, we get attacked, we feel attacked.

So then we see all our problems are like this. I joke sometimes and say that if I tell you that you are horrible at ice hockey, will that bother you?

Rameer responds affirmatively.

It’ll bother you? You play ice hockey? [Laughing] Okay. Usually it will not bother you because you have no attachment to ice hockey; but if I say that ‘You’re not a good friend to Ananya’, this kind of thing will bother more. Or ‘You’re not a good doctor’ or something like that. Where we have our identities or our attachments, if the opposite is heard…, if somebody says, or if it comes up in our own mind, that seems like an attack and we get upset by this. But if you were to ask ‘who is he talking about? …you’re not a good friend to Ananya?’ You will find that there is nothing there. Then this talk will not affect you at all. See?

So, it’s all just this. I’m going to go get some water.

Ananya [comes to camera screen]: “Namaste! He’s gone to drink water. Okay, he’s coming back.”

Ananya asks Ananta about his cough. No, no, I don’t know what it is.

Did we lose the chat window? Oh here it is.

So Lizelle says, “See if there is such a thing as mind. Then the mind merges in the Self, and there is neither the seer nor the seen.”

She is quoting Sri Ramana Maharshi. Good. It’s good.

We have satsang on this Saturday in person. It’ll be very good to have you here. Very good. She is also Rameer. We have another Rameer also in the sangha. Good.

So big happy birthday to Atma once again! And big happy birthday to Ananya!

[Ananta and Ananya hug] Thank you. Very good.

Thank you all so very much for joining in satsang today.

Moojiji ki Jai!  [Blows a kiss and waves]

Sangha: Moojiji ki Jai!   Anantaji ki Jai!  Thank you. Love you.

There is a lot of bliss in being with the sense of Being. This pure Being is here and maybe to experience this love, this bliss, this peace, this joy could be the reason for Being coming into existence.

You see? Otherwise if Awareness is all there is then as a modulation of this Awareness, why would this Being come into play? Maybe it was to experience this bliss.

But ultimately you will see that even this bliss will have no meaning for you. Even this, the highest bliss of Being itself, you will see that it’s another experience, or just another state.

But there is no harm in resting in this sense of Being; in fact many call it the ultimate sadhana, actually.