BOOKS BY ANANTA Welcome to Satsang with Ananta

No journeys are required now. No path is required; nowhere to go. What you are seeking is already here. The Satguru stays in your own heart. Your own Being is the Satguru himself. Your own Being is God himself. Then what could you be looking for now?

Where would you like to go? What would you like to happen? Which event is required to prove to you that you are completely free now?

What you seem to be missing is your own Being. And I said ‘seem to be’, you see? Your own Being is the source of all phenomena. Everything that you could look for in the human experience comes from this Being itself. And you cannot stop Being. So there’s nowhere to go, nothing to find. You cannot stop this Being. That’s why we say that it’s not even the fish that’s thirsting for water now. The fish in the ocean thirsting for water is a funny example. But this is the water thirsting for water! The Self trying to find the Self is water trying to quench its thirst. You are what you need to quench your thirst. You are what you have been thirsting for. Where would you need to go to find yourself?

How could the Self have gone missing that now you are looking for it?

So the question ‘Who am I?’ or the enquiry ‘Who am I?’ is the simplest enquiry. It’s the simplest question; but for the mind it is the most difficult. But if you stop relying on the mind for a little bit of time, you will see that you have always been this pure Witnessing which is witnessing all that is appearing.

And you cannot stop being this pure Awareness. [Silence]

So what are you right now? [Silence]

We can all check and see what is true for yourself. There is no need even to take my word for it.  Just verify whether what is being said in satsang is true or not.

Who are you right now? We don’t need to go to memory, we don’t need to go to imagination. No past is required, no future exists. Right now, what are you? [Silence]

And we can answer what comes to our heart as a true seeing of what I am. [Silence]

Namaste everyone, very warm welcome to satsang today. Moojiji ki Jai.

Thank you all very much for joining us. And if this is your first time here you can ask your questions in the chat window. Welcome. Namaste. Welcome, welcome. Namaste everyone.

The cause of all suffering. The cause of all suffering is thoughts. More specifically, it’s our belief in thoughts. I did not say ‘some suffering’. I did not say ‘most suffering’. I said the cause of all suffering is belief in our thoughts. And it is very simple to withdraw our belief.

Namaste, welcome.

See, so it is as simple as that. This whole journey of freedom from suffering comes down to this one simple point. You cannot suffer without believing a thought. At the root of all suffering is this belief. So if you can convert this belief to disbelief, then it is done. Just convert this belief to disbelief and it is done. And a thought will come and say ‘But this is too difficult’ or ‘I’m not able to do this.’ But see, that it is just another thought. A thought will come and say ‘But who will run my life?’ See that this is just another thought. We can look at any of these thoughts and look at the concepts behind them and see that they are completely untrue. You see? Because at the root they are talking to you as if you are a person. But you were never this person. So at the core of all thoughts is this untruth, of your personhood. Then we must not believe any thought.

So yesterday spontaneously I found myself saying to a dear friend that, who is new to satsang, I told her that ‘Don’t believe your next twenty thoughts.’ And I really don’t know where that came from; not sure where that came from, but I felt it is very nice. You see?

Namaste, welcome welcome.

Ginger said, “It is done. The most simple.” Yes.

Kapil said “Today a spiritual-looking thought…”

Yes, ‘spiritual looking thought’. You see, we said once earlier that ‘Don’t believe any thought, irrespective of how well dressed it is’. Even if it is the most well dressed thought it can be let go of.

So he says, “Today a spiritual looking thought ‘Express your love to the loved ones around’ also caused me to suffer….”

Yes, at the root all thoughts, even the best looking ones, is only suffering.

So he says, “…also caused me to suffer for some time because it seemed I was not doing something right.”

Yes, a thought is never neutral, you see? It is either about pride or about guilt; it is either about arrogance or it is about humility; it is about forcibly doing something or forcibly not doing something. A thought to the mind does not understand neutrality. So neutrality means to let go of thoughts. So if some of you are new to satsang…, in fact all of us maybe can do this, isn’t it. Can we first just withdraw our belief from our next ten thoughts? As a game, very playfully, can we just see this?

So every time a thought comes, you count a number and you let the thought go. You don’t give it your belief. And when you get to ten thoughts you can say ‘done’ or you can say that ‘it is over’ or something like this. So we’ll do this?

Namaste. Dee says, “Yes, now clearly seen, no thoughts are true.” Yes, very good.

Ginger says, “So either there is spontaneity or there is a movement to follow thinking. This is why spontaneity is free of karma, yes?”

Yes, we can say like that…, we can say like that. But actually if you were to go even deeper, you will see that although thoughts and actions happen sequentially, both are just appearances and there is actually no correlation between thinking and action also. Although the trickster will try to convince us that actions are happening as a result of thought, we will come to realize that both thoughts and actions are just spontaneous appearances in this Consciousness. If Consciousness is the doer of all actions, then why would it need to rely on thought, you see? So to see that all these actions are also flowing on their own is actually complete freedom from karma. Because karma is a concept which applies only to a sense of personhood, it applies only to mind.

Okay, great, so we’ll do this. Yes. Soham says ‘Yes’. Ananya says ‘Yes’. Namaste Ajnani. Stacy says ‘Yes, great. I love these games’. Yes, very good.

So very playfully, very playfully…, if we want to close our eyes or keep them open, either is okay. Every time a thought comes, you just count. Just increase the count by one, and when you get to ten you say you are done. Don’t give any of these thoughts your belief. So we start now and we count the next ten thoughts without giving them our belief. Very good, very good.

[Silence].

So Shinein said, “Yes, even the thought ‘no thoughts are coming’ is seen.”

Yes, see, this becomes a very common thought when we are trying to play some of these experiments, you see? It’s very good you spotted this. I’m sure many of you have this experience of this thought coming that ‘No thoughts are coming.’ Because the interpreter tries to interpret everything, isn’t it? Tries to sneak in like this. And many of you would have actually found that thoughts have become very slippery. Very difficult even to decipher what they are trying to say. In this seemingly controlled environment of this experiment, then they try to run from you, isn’t it? So when we are running from our thoughts they seem to become stronger and stronger. When we run from our thoughts, when we have fear of thoughts they become stronger and stronger. And when we say, ‘Bring it on, let me see the next ten thoughts’ then they become slippery, they want to run. You see? Very good.

Kapil says, “Done. Without belief, there is just peace.” Yes. As simple as that.

Stacy says, “Wow.”

Aradhana says, “… ‘I am thirsty, my son is angry with me, and get up and get something to eat while watching satsang’ were the first three.” Yes. “Laughable these thoughts are. The next seven will also be as nonsensical.” Yes.

Ginger says, “Silence.”

Amaya says, “Done. Real power seemed to come with the ‘sweet’ thoughts not believed.” Yes, this is good.  “The thought ‘Ananta’s face! Ah, Love itself’… then the thought came “Whose face?”

Yes. Because as we say, reality does not need to be reinforced by thought. It is only the false beliefs which need the crutches of thoughts to survive, need the nourishment from thoughts. Very good.

Aryev says, “Interesting! I noticed that looking for thoughts was quite efforting.”

Yes, see? When we felt that letting go of thoughts was effort…, now we see that to bring them to even our attention, forget about belief, seems like so much work.

Ajnani says, “But my fourth one is ‘Anantaji, how sweet, smiling’. Can I believe that one?”

Stacy says, “First 3 funny, like ‘this is fun’ and so on. Then a thought about doership came…” Yes “…and very helpful to withdraw belief.” Yes.

Atma says, “I know my first ten thoughts…, are always the same.” Yes.

Clare says, “Done.” Very good.

Ganga says, “Mostly silent, Ananta. A form of restless energy was perceived which was breathed out.”

Yes. So as long as we are not believing the interpretation of this energy. Even a subtle interpretation that some energy is good or bad, as long as it is not believed you will see that it will not last. This is very good.

Ishani says, “Just sitting looking at Father with big smile that can’t make effort to stop.” Very good. [Smiling]

Denan says, “Thoughts about why can’t I find any thoughts…” See this? So good. “Usually so many flooding in…” Yes.

Atma says, “Repeating and repeating.”

Cornela says, “After counting to three thoughts, my mind started singing.”  Yes, yes.

Soham says, “Pretty silent. Very subtle thoughts, still not believed.

Shinein says, “Yes, very slippery.”

Marcel is just joining in. Namaste.

Aradhana says, “Mind is getting used to getting the cold shoulder these days.”

Yes. And with this cold shoulder, it will lose all its nourishment and it will start to dissolve.

Aradhana says, “Ananta needs to drink water…, the thought :-).” Yes.

Naomi says, “Much more slippery…, easier to let go.” Yes.

Aryev says, “Yes, I try releasing sensations and thoughts, it works better for me. I have more sensations than thoughts.”

Yes. And if sensations are there, still the only trouble is the interpretation about them. You see? Still the master key is to let go of our next thought, to drop our belief in the next thought. Because in this way, we will not resist any energy or sensation. If we get into a judgment of the sensation, it becomes a resistance of that sensation and it continues. Don’t say that this must or must not come. Let everything come and go in its own time. There is no rush for anything at all. You are the infinite space in which all of this can occur and it does not touch you.

Prema says, “Repeating ‘don’t believe’. Lots of space, joy, energy, vibration.”

Yes, so all the energy can stay. Just keep withdrawing your belief about the thoughts about them, also. This is very good.

Zoe says, “Joining late, Father.” No worries. Namaste.

Shanti says, “Mostly all thoughts about being tired. One after another. All dropped and left. I don’t mind.” Very good. Good.

Ananya says, “Just silence.” Very good.

Jayani says, “Namaste Father. Missed exercise. So much love to all.”

Yes. Maybe we do it once again.

And Adam says, “Thoughts start sentence…, then disappear.”

Yes, see? In our true light, in our complete seeing, all these thoughts actually are getting burnt. And the mind does not want this to happen, so it starts withdrawing actually, it starts running away. See? So this is very good.

And some of you missed the exercise. Okay, there is some more chat. Somehow it’s not scrolling down today.

So Stacy says, “I’ve noticed having a harder time divesting belief from the thoughts about how much I love you; yet even as you said, these are just thoughts that are dressed up nicely.” Exactly. “This love does not rely on a thought.”

Ginger says, “Sometimes the thoughts aren’t even thoughts yet…, like a potentiality of a thought.” Yes, exactly.

Aryev says, “My experience is that when my bodily sensations quiet down, then the mind quiets down & I have a quiet spell for a while. Sometimes even loose consciousness for a while.”

Yes. Don’t expect to get into any state at all. Because what the mind will say is that freedom is about being in a certain state, in a certain state of turiya or samadhi. So don’t feel that freedom means freedom from a particular state or the presence of any state. You see? That is freedom that is fearless then. No matter what is arising, freedom cannot leave you.

Ajnani says, “No resistance and no persistence.”

So I know some of you missed the exercise, so we’ll do it again. So the instructions are very simple. Allow the thoughts to come, and as each thought comes you count ‘one’. And you add to the count until you get to ten. But as every thought comes you don’t believe it. We just let it come and go. So the point is only to withdraw our belief from the thoughts and we do it for the next ten thoughts. And your eyes can be open or closed, as you like. Just gently count from one to ten until your next ten thoughts. Starting now.

[Silence]. Very good. So if you’re done, you can share.

Ajnani says, “No resistance, no persistence.” Yes.

Aryev says, “Ananta, I thought sensations are at a deeper level than thoughts. What do you think?”

Yes. See if you were to invent this spectrum, then we can say like this, no? We can say objects are far from us. Then we can say thoughts are closer to us. Then we can say emotions are even closer. Then we can say Being is the closest. See? But the fact is that ultimately all of these are just appearances. And for the witnessing actually there is no distance. So at one level what you say is right. But ultimately for Awareness there is no distance from any of this. All is arising inside.

Atma says she needs to go. Much love. Very good.

Shanti says, “Can’t seem to frame most thoughts. Just seems to be one big blur. But as I type and try to form a thought, they are given form. Otherwise just Seeing is.” Very good.

Aradhana says, “Greetings of love to Garima :-).” [Who just came to sit in satsang room].

Naomi says, “The thoughts that arise now seem connected to sickness in the body that is occurring.”

Yes. So sickness is also not a problem, unless we believe our interpretation of it. Sickness is another form of energy which is getting released, and unless we start believing our thoughts about it, it is not possible for sickness to cause suffering. It can definitely cause pain, but suffering will not arise. See?

She says, “It seems instant for the emotion to go to worry, but today more spaciousness is noticed.” Yes.

Ganga says, “Silence. Didn’t interpret anything like you suggested.” Very good.

Marcel says, “I love being here…, Silence…, and there’s a sensation of fear.”

Yes. We don’t even need to label it as fear. It’s just a sensation. In our labeling of it, it becomes fear. The same energetic form could also be called excitement.

Jayani says, “Lots of thoughts about thoughts. Like ‘oooh, no thoughts. Where is the next thought?”  Yes, these kind of thoughts.

Lizelle says, “Very quiet, must be the retreat.” Yes.

Denan says, “It feels more like images than thoughts. Can’t quite grab hold of them or even make sense of them…, like a weird dream.”

Yes. They start to run like this, you see? When we invite them to come, when we say ‘I am here, tell me what you want to say’ then they start to run away like this. Very good.

Zoe says, “There were thoughts, but when belief was removed from the thought, there was an instant return to neutrality.”

Stacy says, “So interesting to observe the mind. Found that most of the thoughts were about wanting to tell you how useful this exercise was, and this thought repeated a few times. Then some thoughts in form of images…, totally random.”

Soham says, “Same as before. Mostly silent, watching subtle energy.”

Ustreamer78 says, “Father, these thoughts are speaking to nobody.”

Exactly. There is no person here to which the thoughts are speaking to. That’s why we call the thoughts the ‘wrong number.’

Prema says, “Thoughts describing sensations/state. When not believed, witnessing is stronger.”

Witnessing stays the same actually. It’s just that our attention is stronger into the thoughts, so we feel that witnessing is getting weaker.

Wiebke says, “Thoughts came. In these games my thoughts are always hiding.” Yes.  “There are no thoughts. This is too hard to do, too tiring etc, etc.”

Yes. These are all the tricks of the mind to resist this simple exercise. As you expose them, you are letting go of them. So it’s good.

Charles says, “All my thoughts feel so beautiful right now. A complete 180 from the last few days. At first I didn’t want to let these beautiful thoughts and feelings go, but then let them go to come to even more rest.”

Yes. What is true will stay. In the letting go of thoughts, we will not lose anything. You will only lose your suffering and misery, and you will see that Joy, Love and Peace are constantly in service to you. You will not lose any of this. Only you will come to your true position as the Master of these beautiful forces of Love, Peace and Joy.

Clare says, “I’ve been in a big blur of suffering for the past 18 hours. Just crying in satsang; and then looked at all the thoughts believed in.”

Yes. You cannot suffer without believing a thought. No matter how many thoughts come and tell you that it is possible, it is just impossible. Suffering means belief in thought. Belief in thought is the only problem ever. No matter how convinced we are that it is an external appearance, or it is another person, or it is pain in our body, or it is some disease, or it is some relationship, or it is our work, or situation with money…, it is always only the belief in thought. Very good.

Amaya says, “Very aware since retreat to not hang onto ‘state’…., elation.  But seeing here that even the commentary ‘so beautiful’ covered a deeper, direct seeing which was lessened by interpretation.”

Yes. Don’t need to rely on any thought no matter how well dressed it is. Even if it seems like it is filled with humility, it is nothing at all.

Shanti says, “Now thought coming ‘getting bored’. Let go, and boredom goes with it and is replaced with something else.”

Yes. In fact, before starting the second time I felt to say that the mind will come and say ‘I already did this and it is good enough.’ It will say things like this, like ‘this is too boring’.

Ananya says, “Laughing at this thought that says ‘You will be too boring without any drama’.”

Yes, see the subtly of the thoughts which can grab us? Ultimately the ego is a drama queen. It loves creating all this drama just to keep us distracted from what we really are; just to keep our attention fixed on the false.

And Ajnani says. “My first one is ‘Come on, I am here as bus station.’

Yes. Buses can come and go, but the station is unmoved, yes.

Cornelia says, “I find myself like a display with multiple windows…, thoughts.” Yes

Ananya says, “It yaps…, only rubbish.”

Shanti says, “The seeing is stronger than the belief in thought.” Very good.

Ajnani says, “But not belief in even that thought.” Exactly. Very good.

I see all of you are getting deeply immersed in this simple pointing to not believe your next thought. And with this simple pointing, it is my promise that suffering will not survive. We will lose the ability to suffer. Everything will come momentarily, all emotions will be allowed to come and expressed but nothing can last.

Stacy says, “So much peace and silence here after even dropping the subtle thoughts.”

Shinein says, “Recently, this ‘little me’ in a form of arrogance was completely clear.” Very good.

And don’t have any expectations that this ego or this ‘little me’ will completely vanish. It will remain as a ‘burnt rope’. Bhagavan [Ramana Maharshi] did not say that the rope vanishes. He says that the rope becomes burnt and it does not have any power left at all. But it still remains; the remnants of the ego will always remain.

Stacy says, “They drop automatically when belief is removed.” Yes.

Soham says, “Just realized something. Been thinking more about coming to India lately. Then realized, even if this body was in an airplane on the way to India, the thought ‘I am on the way to India’ shouldn’t even be believed.” Yes. “It is still just a witnessing. Awareness is nowhere in time and space!”

Wiebke says, “Laughing, laughing, laughing…”

Ginger says, “Om Namah Shivaya.”

Clare says, “Laying all beliefs about other people and events and choices affecting ‘me’ and putting the belief in a ‘me’ at your feet.” Very good.

Zoe says, “It is dawning on me that I am completely allowed to not believe my next thought.” Yes. “To not suffer.” Yes.

You can now suffer only with your own permission; with your own approval.

Then she says, “That, just because a thought appears and seems legitimate, that I am completely allowed to ignore it!” Completely!

So all of you can do this simple exercise. There are some thoughts that still always grab your belief. Then you can make a little note out of them. You see, because these will point you to some identities that are still nourished. And as you inquire into those identities, you will see that they are untrue. They’re talking about the imagined person. They are talking about the impossible one.

Shinein says, “Yes, only the scent of the ‘little me’ is here, but it smells like arrogance.”  Yes.

Shanti says, “I cannot suffer these blurry thoughts. They are weak. I am only witnessing and dropping isn’t even held onto. There is just easy and effortless sense of Being. Thoughts don’t stand a chance.” Very good.

Jayani says, “Father, laying all comparing thoughts at your feet.”

Yes. This is very good because many of you might get these thoughts ‘Why is it that this one seems to get it? Why can’t I get it?’ Or even thoughts could be more like ‘How much they are just pretending?’ or ‘Is this really true about them?’ So it is never about anybody else. It is all about you. All this is only about you. Good.

Dee says, “Just the old lady in the head knitting socks (Mooji’s analogy from the retreat).” Yes. Constantly going on, you see? Very good.

Ananya says, “A friend just joined in with me now, Father. She wants to know what this exercise is about.”

Yes. Welcome, welcome to satsang. So we are just looking at belief in thought, and how this belief in thought is the cause of all suffering. See? So as we let go of our belief in thoughts, we will find that it becomes impossible to suffer. And we don’t lose anything at all. All that is auspicious still remains. A thought will come that ‘If I let go of thought, then my life will become useless; or it will become too boring’. But that is just another thought.

Kapil says, “A family member called me during the exercise and the thought ‘Why is she calling me at this time?’ was believed for a few seconds, and suffering followed.” Yes.

Wiebke says, “Putting all thoughts about tiredness in the fire!”

Very good. When tiredness is there, there is no harm in resting the body. The body is just an innocent instrument. There is no harm giving it any rest. Just don’t believe the interpretation that it is you. As long as it is clear the car is not you, it is just an instrument for your convenience, then there can be no trouble.

Ishani says, “There is nothing to report, Father. There was an effort to try and get something but nothing comes up to report. Just at your feet.” Very good.

Shanti says, “Father, all is a pretend play of Being and it is my play. Always about me.” Yes.

Zoe says, “A thought is coming ‘If I let go of all thoughts I won’t know what to do!’ Removing this belief from this thought also.”

Yes. Very good. God does not need to rely on thoughts to do what It has to. God does not need to rely on a thought to run the universe. God does not even need to rely on a thought to pay your bills.

Zoe says, “I can feel such joy and space arising from this contemplation.”

Very good. That is the purpose of this simple contemplation. No confusing instructions, not a lot of things to do. Just very simple.

Stacy says, “Just had thought about how don’t want satsang to end and then sadness followed.”

Satsang can never end, isn’t it? When you are in the Presence of your own Being, this is satsang. Very good.

Ginger says, “I want to expose that there is fear about letting go of thoughts about loving Sri Moojiji. I can see the madness in this thinking. Putting it in the fire.”

Yes. This love is for the Satguru in your own Heart. ‘My Master is in my heart’ is not a thought, you see? It is seen to be completely true; and no thought of whether this is true or not can change this, because it is our living experience now. You see? Once you have seen that the sun rises from the East, then no matter how many thoughts come and say it rises from the West, you will not believe them. Don’t need to rely on thoughts for anything at all.

Marcel says, “Just bathing in this light of satsang.” Very good. Good.

Jayani, “Effortlessly just Here.” Very good.

Louise says, “Just don’t believe you next thought keeps coming as a thought.”

It’s okay. It’s okay for a while. See ultimately this final thorn will be let go of. So right now if you’re hanging onto this one, it’s okay for a while.

Ginger says, “I see, I see, I see.” Very good.

Wiebke says, “Somehow there is the habit playing out these days to resist just everything. It is seen and I cannot take it serious anymore.”

Very good. As long as you see this appearance as just an appearance, as you’ll see all of this is just the play of Maya, then it doesn’t matter. As long as you’re not calling it ‘me’ or ‘mine’ then there is no trouble. It’s only when we call parts of the appearance ‘me’ or ‘mine’ that the trouble can start.

Clare says, “Laying the trail of ‘ifs’ at your feet too. Like ‘If I do this and then this, then everything will be okay.”

Yes. No ‘if’ is required; no path is required to come to Now. And in the Now there is no trouble. You are what you are looking for right now.

Prema says, “So much space and peace. Witnessing this. Thank you, Ananta.” Very welcome, my dear. Good.

Cornelia, “Father, everything is flowing as it should. So much love.” Yes, very good.

Soham says, “Forever at your feet, Father. I love you.”

Ajnani says, “Even about love, thought is dividing that moment; but only Witnessing has a great power.” Yes, good.

Aradhana says, “At your feet, Ananta. Thank you.” Very welcome.

Who could have ever imagined that freedom could be so simple?

Cornelia says, “Drowning in your eyes.” So much love.

Louise says, “Father, just noticed that there is a holding onto wanting freedom to change what plays out.”

And in your seeing this, it will now start to dissolve. Freedom is the freedom from wanting. Very good.

Denan says, “I could never imagine freedom so simple. Thank you, thank you, thank you!” Thank you so much.

Shanti says, “Father, your words are the only reality. Giving you all my own beliefs about what is and is not.” Very good.  “All thoughts dissolve in this love for You.” Very good, so much love.

Ishani says, “Love you, Father, thank you so much.” Love you too, my dear.

Louise says, “This is a strong desire still.”

Where is it? Where is this desire? You see, it is only that we nourish the thought about wanting freedom so much, we believe it so much, that it seems to still be strong. But with this letting go now, there might be a fear that ‘If I let go of even this, if I let go of even this desire for freedom, then nothing will remain’. And that might seem a little scary. But I am holding your hand, nothing will happen to you. Just let go of any thoughts, even about freedom. You have nothing to worry about. I am in your Heart. Just let it go.

Ginger says, “I pinch myself, it is so so simple. Un-earned love is so sweet!”

Clare says, “Putting the belief that freedom is dependent on specific conditions at your feet.” Very good, yes. Freedom is unconditional. Good.

Zoe says, “I burn all confusion, internal debates and general nonsense in this fire.” Very good. “Not needed here now.” Yes. “At your holy feet, beloved Father.” Thank you. Very good.

Prema, very good. Very good Stacy, Shinein and Dee.

Thank you very much for a beautiful satsang.

So much love to all of you. Moojiji ki Jai! [Namaste]

So much love. Thank you. Thank you, thank you so much.

[Blows kisses at camera and waves]

Sangha: Moojiji ki Jai. Anantaji ki Jai.  Thank you. Love you.

Namaste everyone, a very warm welcome to satsang today. Moojiji ki Jai.

Thank you all so very much for joining in and if this is your first time in satsang, the way to ask questions is through the chat window.

I know some of you have had a beautiful retreat and were in silence for a few days in the Presence of our beloved Master. And the retreat actually continues, isn’t it? I have had conversations with some of you and I can sense the depth and the quietness in some of your words, which is so beautiful. And you see, with every retreat there are fresh insights, fresh awakening, Very good. Namaste, Namaste.

Shanti says, “Yes, so beautiful and full of Grace. Forever.” Yes. Very good.

Soham also says, “Very beautiful retreat, Father.”

Namaste.

So has anybody had any trouble with the simple instruction ‘Don’t believe your next thought’? And for some of you that don’t know, I had this feeling sometime last week that I used to say that the simplest pointing to the end of suffering is to ‘Just let go of your next thought’. But I realized that some of you came back to me and said that ‘I am not able to let go’. And therefore there was the feeling to make it even simpler and to say ‘Don’t believe your next thought.’ But with this now, is any suffering possible?

Very good. So Zoe says, “I felt I benefited from everybody’s silence. I felt their joy.” Yes, same here actually. Very good.

Atma says, “Today I can be here only for half an hour. But I am here.”

Ajnani says, “No, Anantaji, not any trouble.” Very good.

Aradhana says, “No problem at all. Made it even more simple.” Yes.

Shanti says, “No, it’s a gem.”

Clare says, “No trouble and only clarity.” Very good.

Zoe says, “Both my children here in satsang today, Father, Izzy and Oscar.” Very wonderful. Welcome dear Izzy and Oscar. So good to have you. I’m sure you had a great time with Ruby and Jesse in Louise’s house.

Atma says, “No suffering is possible now.”

Soham says, “Not possible, Father.” Very good.

Atma says, “We have a key in our hands…, actually in our Hearts.”

Amaya says, “’Don’t believe your next thought’ produces the ‘let go’ automatically.” Yes! Very good.

Om says, “Though I wasn’t in retreat as such, I felt the silence too, Father. It was beautiful.” Same here.

Shanti also says, “Can’t suffer.”

This is so beautiful, you see? This is very beautiful. Because how many Beings in the world can truly say this? How many Beings in the world can truly says this: that I have lost the ability to suffer? And now you can also say that ‘I have seen that what I really Am has never suffered at all’.

Namaste, Louise. We were just telling Izzy and Oscar that I’m sure they had a great time with Ruby and Jesse at your place. Very good.

Yes. Ajnani says, “Yes Anantaji.”

Atma says, “True. What I am has never suffered at all. I did see it, Father.” Yes.

Shanti says, “Something carries on as if it suffers. But I can truly say, I can’t suffer.”

Very good. So the appearances can continue, you see, and we can call it pain. So some pain can continue. But truly now to be able to say ‘I suffer’ is not possible. And even if some suffering comes it is seen to be only momentary. When some past conditioning or some strong conditioning from the past can come back, and belief is given to it momentarily, only then we suffer for a few moments. But more and more this suffering will start to seem like an alien concept.

But the beautiful part is that you will not lose your compassion for those who are suffering. Even though it seems like an alien concept, it is beautiful that even after Freedom the memory of what happened in the past still remains. So we will not be judgemental or lose compassion for those who seemingly still seem to suffer.

And I know some of you are already going through some of what would have seemed like very strong events in your lives. Some of you are going through health problems. Some of you are going through job-related issues, money problems, relationship problems. And yet now you are able to say that ‘I cannot suffer. All these appearances are coming and going, the pain is coming and going, but truly I can see that I do not suffer’.

And in your saying this, actually, it makes something feel like this life has been worthwhile. The appearance of this life seems to have been worthwhile just by this testimony that you are giving. It’s all my Master’s Grace, and I consider this satsang as seva for my Master. And all of you are such a beautiful sangha, that in losing your ability to suffer you have actually made this life worthwhile.

Namaste, Lizelle.

Ajnani says, “If I observe pain as an object (without interpretation) ıt is over, Anantaji.”

Yes. The only problem ever is the interpretation. It’s not actually the interpretation but the belief in the interpretation. It is the only problem ever.

Atma says, “Yes, the memory still remains. Every word you are saying is so true. Thank you, Father, for this seva. At your feet.” You’re very welcome. This is my joy actually.

Soham says, “At your feet dearest Father.” So much love. You are in my Heart, actually. Very good.

Aradhana says, “Tears, no words.” Yes.

Thank you, Cornelia. Love you too, Atma.

Shanti say, “The highest seva. Om Namah Shivaya.” Thank you.

Zoe says, “At your feet always, beloved One.” You are in my Heart always. Very good.

So much love, Kapil.

You see, once we have lost the ability to suffer then all the rest is just for fun. The bite has now been taken out. The poison is now out.

Ajnani says, “My daughter and sister living in Cambodia are now in a better relationship in a miraculous way.” Very good. Very good.

You see, with this, letting go your inner conflicts are getting wiped clean. And when your inner conflicts are all getting wiped clean, your outer conflicts will not matter. And when they cease to matter, you will see that over a period of time it will become impossible to have long-term outer conflicts also. So conflicts might emerge moment to moment, even now. Because now you cannot hold on to resentment. Simply put, you cannot hold a grudge now. So even the outer conflicts will go away.

In A Course in Miracles it says ‘Love holds no grievances’. So you will find it impossible now to hold a grievance. You see, some short-term grievances could come; even with me you could have some short-term grievances. You could say ‘Oh, he never reads my messages. Everybody else’s messages he reads so lovingly’. These kind of mental grievances can come up. But they cannot stay because you actually know how much I love you in my Heart, and I know that we are One actually. So you will lose the ability to hold any grievances.

You will not go with the mind’s conclusions about anything at all. You do not now need any decisions, you do not now need any preferences, you do not need any conclusions. All of these are just resistance.

Prema says, “Thanks to the retreat with Mooji I feel your love even more…” I really feel it was a retreat with me. It is the same voice that speaks. “So grateful to Mooji and you…, so much love.” Very good.

Atma says, “Smiling, dearest Father.” Very good, my child. Very good.

Ajnani says, “Tears again, and smiling, and gratitude.” So much love to you.

Zoe says, “Such love!”

Shanti says, “It’s an adventure now. Everything is new and fresh in every moment. A ‘Let’s see what happens’ attitude makes life fun and full of surprises.” Very good.

Zoe says, “Same, same.”

Clare says, “Laying all my conclusions at your feet.” This is very good.

You don’t have to come to any conclusions at all. Life is not about conclusions. The ego is all about conclusions. The ego is all about preferences. The ego is all about decisions and the ego is all about conclusions. Life is not interested in any of this. Life is just flowing on its own. So don’t come to conclusions about anything at all, not even about your Freedom. Just let it unfold naturally on its own.

Soham says, “I see my ex-wife and her new partner all the time. Often I know she is telling me lies, yet no anger ever arises.”

Yes. And even if anger was to arise, it can come up, it will erupt momentarily and it will go again. You will not have the ability to resent.

He says, “I cannot help but love them both.” This is very beautiful. Who can say these kind of things? This is very beautiful.  “Sometimes it even amazes me.” Yes. It’s very good.

Clare says, “Thank you for this Freedom.” So welcome, my dear. [Gazes lovingly.]

So we have exploded the ego now. Of course, some shreds will always remain, but for most of you we have exploded the ego now. And what we thought will be a huge explosion is nothing but a bursting of a bubble. It is not even that. It was only an idea. So all we have done is burst an idea. It was just a stupid idea that we have picked up along the way, and now we have left it.

Atma says, “Just nothing is true. Nothing.” Yes.

Aradhana says, “Ananta, something here wants to be in the same place of neutrality as Soham when it comes to my sibling and our conflicted relationship. Laying this expectation at your feet.”

It’s good. It is there for you; this will be true for you.  As you keep letting go, as you keep dropping your belief in your thoughts, this beautiful neutrality will be there for you. Soon it will be there for you.

And you use the right word, ‘neutrality’. So from this neutrality in the moment everything can flow. So we don’t have to make the effort to love everyone. Don’t make it work. Don’t even make it something to aspire to. You just be neutral now and from this neutrality everything will continue to flow beautifully. Don’t even try to be loving, don’t try to be compassionate. Nothing that is ultimately true requires a doership, requires a doing. All that is true is flowing on its own.

So don’t even feel it is like somewhere that you have to get to. Drop all ideas of journeys and destinations. You have never left the destination. You are your own destination. This is the journey of self-realization, you see? You have always been your own destination. And the instant you realise this, that is self-realization. And I am already That. I am already Me. I am the Self. The Self already means Me. You are already That. Nothing needs to be done. You don’t have to go anywhere. It’s all very good.

Ajnani says, “Yes, like Soham, I know my ex-husband with a new partner and there is not any bit of jealousy.” Very good.  “Instead love them both.” Very good. Very good.

Sometimes you might even feel compassion for the new partner, knowing what they have to deal with, you see? [Smiles.]

Atma says, “Father and Sangha, I am going now. Love you all, always.” We love you too, come back soon. So much love. Very good.

Kapil says, “What Soham has written above sounds impossible to me as of today.”

So be neutral. Don’t make it a goal. Be neutral. Then you will see whether the impossible one is possible, or whether the Eternal One is possible. You might even come to a point where anything other than what Soham is saying will feel impossible. You will start to wonder ‘How is it that I could get really conflicted about something?’ Just be neutral and don’t believe your next thought. Simple, simple. And all of this and much more. You are all the Light of the Universe, actually. You are the Light of the Universe actually. All of these are just small candy along the way. I know this. Very good.

Kapil says, “I am referring to the persons conditioning here.”

Yes. And this conditioning is going, going, going. In the neutrality now it is gone. Then it tries to come back. You see, start with the perspective of Freedom. You are free now. Take my word for it. You are free right now. And as my Master says, I am not throwing any magic powder in your eyes to make you believe this. Right now, in this moment, there is no bondage. You are completely free.

Then the conditioning tries to come. In the free state, it tries to come and make you believe in the bondage. But the fact is, even if you were to believe in the bondage, that doesn’t make it real. The way to stop believing is to not give it your belief. It is as simple as that. So start from the perspective of the Truth. Truth is here now. Freedom is here now. Self is here now. And now, refuse to believe any nonsense that the mind is saying. It’s as simple as that.

Shanti says, “That’s very funny, Father.”

Mike says, “Am with you Ananta. Cannot hear or see as Internet too slow on my ship at sea, but I have chat!”

I’m so happy you are here. I am going to type a message for you. So I just wrote to Mike. I said, “Beloved Mike. You are in Satsang and in my Heart…, therefore you cannot truly ever be ‘at sea’. So much Love.”   Very good.

Louise says, “Father, Max is here in satsang tonight.” How wonderful! So great to have you with us, Max. So wonderful.

Kapil says, “Yes, it feels the conditioning is going, going, going…” Very good.

Om says, “Father, sometimes when you say something that doesn’t yet completely feel true here, I accept it, always knowing that what’s true for you is true for me.” Very good. “Soon it becomes my reality too.” This is a very useful tip you say. He says, “It’s like a cheat code.” Yes, this is very good.

My truth is yours. We are One.

Shanti says, “Mooji tells a story about a sage who found his wife with someone in bed, and someone steals his possessions and his house catches fire. In the case of his wife, he gives her his blessings. With the thief, he hands him more things. With his house, he pours more gas on the fire and laughs. People think he’s crazy but he’s totally free.”

Sounds like one of the Zen stories, isn’t it? You make the point so strongly…, so strongly. Just stay neutral, and in the moment everything will unfold in the most beautiful way. Very good.

So much love, Zoe. Very good.

Jayani says, “Namaste Father. Lovely to be here with You. So much love.” So great you’re here, my dear.

Ajnani says, “This is Nasruddin Hoja’s story.” Mullah Nasruddin’s story. Yes, very good. And she says, “It’s a Turkish sage.” So Mullah Nasruddin is a Turkish sage? Oh, I see, okay. I never knew that actually. Very good.

Who could have ever guessed that it is so simple? It is often said that ‘It is not easy but it is simple’. I want to say today that it is ‘super easy’. Don’t even believe that it is not easy. Is there any pointing which you find difficult now? If you find something that is difficult, you can expose it and we can look at it. And it is good for me also to know, so that I can work towards making it more digestible. I can make it more palatable. So if there’s something that seems difficult, or difficult to digest or to understand, you can expose it and we can try to look at it again.

The effort here is to distil the teachings for you so that complete freedom is there for you now. We’re not trying to create ‘the new religion’. We’re not trying to create followers of it too. The effort is simply to make it easy to understand what is true right now and how the play of this ego is just a trivial ‘nothingness’, the ‘impossible one’. Very good.

Shanti says, “So easy to let go of thoughts. Harder to pick them up. They’re so slippery.” This is very good. Now you’re speaking my language. Very good.

So the mind will say ‘But it is so difficult to let go of thoughts’. Now you have checked for yourselves; it’s more difficult to actually make the effort and grasp onto these fleeting thoughts which mean nothing at all; are the source of all trouble.

Kapil says, “At times I wonder why was life so kind to me.” Yes, this is nice. “I look back and don’t find any great karmas that were done through this body.”

That’s why one definition of Grace…, the definition of Grace that I like is the one that says that: ‘Everything, every appearance is Grace, All is the Grace of God’. But there’s another definition of Grace which I’ve heard Baghavan [Ramana Maharshi] using sometimes which says that ‘Grace is Unearned Blessing: Undeserved Blessing’.

And if I were to look back at the story of this life also, the encounter with Mooji was definitely ‘undeserved’. So it cannot be found that in the life of this person there was something so special that I got the Grace of my Master. So ‘wonder’ is the right word. But know that Grace knows exactly what it is doing; and all Beings are completely deserving of this Freedom because we are all One Self. We are One Being and One Seeing.

Soham says, “I like that ‘undeserved’ definition. Sure feels that way.” Very good. [Smiles and gazes into camera]

Kapil says, “Yes, it feels totally undeserved.”

This is very good. This is beautiful humility and it is unforced. It is natural humility. I can sense that none of you are forcing this humility.

Zoe says, “What could I possibly do to deserve such joy?”  Yes.

That’s why we can say that ‘All is Grace’. See that every moment of the appearance, even though it might have seemed so painful when it occurred, is all for This; is all for our Freedom.

Shanti says, “It’s so clear that all is Grace.” Yes.

Wiebke says, “All is His Grace.” Yes.

I see no dichotomy in the two definitions. And I also see no trouble with: if you feel that you are not Free yet, and you believe that this Ultimate Freedom is only available for one in a million, then this should not be demotivating. It should say ‘Yes, I am that one in a million. This Freedom is for me’.  If you feel that you have found this Freedom, this Love, Peace and Joy in your heart; then you can say that ‘It is completely undeserved, yet I know that I am the One whose grace is also flowing here’. Very good.

Zoe says, “Yes, yes Father. You were right…, I do trust life.”

Yes, you do. I know you do. [Laughs] Cause like me, you have also calculated the probabilities of events. You see even scientifically, you have calculated like I have probabilities of events, which were seemingly improbable; but then when you calculated the probability, you have seen that it was next to impossible. And yet they have happened with unerring regularity, with unerring frequency. Therefore we can say that it is Grace. It must be Grace. Very good.

And there is so much beauty in this because we have not relied on any blind fates. At every moment we have tried it; we have played with it. We have checked whether it works or not. We have seen what is true. So we don’t need to constantly reinforce it with thoughts. And this insight cannot leave you. We have tried it; we have tested it; we have seen it completely, logically, scientifically as well. And the Truth stands up to all these tests; and the ‘false’ falls apart at the first inquiry. With any inquiry the ‘false’ cannot last.

Ishani says, “Namaste, Father and Sangha. Joining very late. Feel so much love and grace flowing here.” Very good, my dear. Welcome.

Ustreamer1310 says, “How do I quit smoking? I hate it but am not able to quit.”

Simple, just don’t believe your thoughts. Let go of all of your thoughts and you will find that these habits will also start to leave you. The biggest withdrawal symptoms, you can say, the strongest withdrawal symptoms are ‘the withdrawal symptoms from the mind’. We have relied on this ‘false ego’ so much; on these thoughts and the mind so much that this is the true withdrawal symptom; not really true, but in a manner of speaking. If any withdrawal symptoms are true, then these seem to be the strongest ones. And once you’re over the withdrawal symptoms of this mind, then no habit will be difficult to drop.

No habit is difficult to drop; because the Truth does not rely on thoughts. Life to flow does not rely on thoughts. The first resistance which will come is that ‘If I drop thoughts how will life unfold?’ You see the entire Universe is unfolding. Many Universes are unfolding in a beautiful way; and life has no trouble paying your bills also. Just don’t expect it to go the way that your mind is saying it must go. That is called resistance.

So thoughts are always in resistance to ‘what is’. Thoughts are always pointing to ‘what it should be’ or ‘what should not be’. And we have believed that we need to hang onto these crutches to walk. The crutches of thought make us believe that we need them to walk; but what you will find when you let go of these crutches, is that you are actually able ‘to fly’. But there is this fear that ‘If I let go of these I might fall’. That is why the power of the Sangha is so important; because there are many Beings here who will tell you that; will tell you that this is True: ‘I used to believe the same thing, that I cannot do without my belief in thoughts. But after letting them go I find that life is so much Peace, so much Joy’.

Wiebke says, “Resistance here playing out in sickness. Feeling these days a little like an alien in Sangha. Just want to expose this.”

It’s okay. It’s just another feeling. The Sangha will never feel that you are an alien. I can never feel that you are an alien to us. I am in your Heart and you are in Mine. Some uncomfortable feelings can come relying on these seemingly strong appearances of pain in the body, illness, trouble with relationships, trouble at work…, all these. Not so many actually. If you look at our problems, we’ve discussed, isn’t it? There are only three or four main categories of problems. So if we have time we can do a quick re-cap. Yes, we have a few minutes.

So what can problems be about?

Problems can be about the body, like you said; so all ‘body-related’ problems. What else?

Trouble can be about money, economics, business, work. So let’s call it ‘work or money’. This is the second bucket of problems.

The third bucket is about relationships; with special relationships, partners, marriages, and other relationships. So these are the three main usual buckets of problems.

The fourth one is the search for Freedom, or the search for Meaning or the search for Purpose of life. This is a rare one. And once this problem starts, first it blows apart all the other problems; they seem to become more and more meaningless and then this problem will also drop; and you find your Freedom and you see the Truth for yourself. Then even this does not last.

Then sometimes, once and awhile, one of these problems hiding in one of these buckets starts to shake again: ‘Are you willing to buy me as a problem? ’ This will try to sell itself again that ‘I am a real problem’. But with your letting go of thoughts, with your lack of belief…, as you withdraw your belief in these thoughts, all these buckets will be meaningless.

Like my Master says, ‘All these thoughts will audition for your attention’. But with your lack of interest in the auditioning, you will not buy any of this. And you will see that all is just another appearance coming and going. All of this is coming and going. But you are the Eternal Witnessing of all of this. You are the Awareness of all of this; untouched by any appearance. So this too shall pass. And don’t believe the thought that you could be alien to the Sangha.

Ustreamer1310 says, “What kind of thoughts”

All. All, but since you asked this question, at least can we start with the negative ones. At least can we start with the negative ones.

Very good. Wiebke says, “Thank you, Ananta. Thank you all.”

We saw some glimpses of the retreat also this time with Mooji and some of you, of course, attended the entire retreat. But in some glimpses there I saw, the Master kept emphasizing the point of the Sangha; which I felt is new. I don’t feel He’s emphasized on the Sangha so much in the past. So it’s beautiful that this Sangha is a part of His Sangha, isn’t it? And we’re here to support each other in this beautiful, beautiful Freedom.

You see, because you diminish each other’s doubt. In your Light, it is clear the possibility of Light in our own Self is seen. That is the beauty of the Sangha; that in the Light of the Sangha your own Light seems very possible. Because if it is only a Master; if it is only a Teacher actually, then sometimes the Light seems unapproachable. It seems like the mind can sell the story that it is ‘only for the rare one’ that this Awakening can happen.

When you see the Light of the Sangha then you see it is possible for all varieties; from people across the world: some devotional, some intellectual, some jnani, some bhakta, some young, some old, some with strong bodies, some with weak bodies, some with good English: some with bad English. Nothing matters. It is an open possibility for all of you.

Thank you for being such a beautiful Sangha which is going to be the Light of the Universe; actually it already is.

Soham says, “Don’t think I’ve ever sat in pranam in front of the computer as much as in the past week. Bowing to everyone and everything these days.” Very good.

Zoe says, “This Sangha is pure grace. Thank you, beloved Anantaji.”

You are the Sangha actually. All of you are the Sangha.

Clare says, “Wiebke, your honesty helps me to expose a self-hatred, self-denial that arises here when I expose myself; like doing a video recording earlier today.”

This is another beautiful part of the Sangha, because the problems are shared and we find that ‘I’m just the same’. We’re all just the same. That’s very good.

Mike says, “Thank you for your love, Ananta. I feel joy.” This is very good.

Aradhana says, “Satguru’s Will be Done.”

We are One Being and this One Being is the Satguru Himself.

Soham says, “All one guy.”

Jayani says, “Father, after Guruji’s retreat there is a movement away from Facebook and chat…, to just keep quiet in the heart.”

Yes. Very good. Just stay in your neutrality state, and from the neutrality state, let whatever is arising, arise. Don’t form any conclusions about anything at all. Just be completely neutral…, means nothing. Facebook means nothing. Chat means nothing. It is all nothing, nothing, nothing. All appearances can come and go. Don’t make it a desire or an aversion. It is just nothing. So from the neutrality, you see nothing. I don’t know. I don’t know what’s going to happen next. Satsang will be over soon most likely in another minute or so. I don’t know whether I’ll be in Facebook or chat. So I could be there for the next few hours or not be there for the next two days. I just don’t know.

And in this ‘I don’t know’ there is so much beauty. There is no plan for life. ‘I have no future’ like my Master says.

Then you say, “Just checking if this is resistance.” It won’t be if you’ve now exposed it in satsang, then it means nothing.

Vivi says, “Same here.” Yes, it’s natural for it to arise after being quiet for so many days. It’s very natural.

Jayani says, “Yes, all nothing father.”

Shanti says, “We are altogether now, on or off the internet. Love you all so much. Thank you, Father, for your amazing Grace.”  Thank you too, my dear.

Kapil says, “I love when you say nothing, nothing, nothing.”

Have you seen that video when Mooji says ‘Nothing, nothing, nothing’?

Clare says, “I love you, Ananta and Sangha.” We love you too, so much.

Zoe says, “Me too, Kapil!”

Vivi says, “Yes, I don’t know.”

This is a beautiful ‘I don’t know’. Most times in the past the ‘I don’t know’ has felt like we are stupid or something. Most of our ‘don’t knows’ in the past have come from a place of feeling bad about the ‘I don’t know’. But this ‘I don’t know’ is a wonderful ‘I don’t know’; literally wonderful, full of wonder.

Wiebke says, “Again, thank you all so much.” Thank you.

Soham says, “Love you so much, Father. It feels we have always been together. Yes, of course we have! Never can we be apart.”

Aradhana says, “Love you, Fatherji. Love you, Sangha. Clare, big hug.” Love you too, my child.

[Namaste] So much love to all of you.

Thank you all so very much for this beautiful satsang.

Moojiji ki Jai ! [Blows a kiss. Waves]

Sangha: Moojiji ki Jai !  Anantaji ki Jai ! Thank you. Love you.

Namaste everyone. A very warm welcome to satsang today. Moojiji ki Jai.

Welcome, welcome. Namaste. And if this is your first time in satsang, the way to ask questions is through the chat window.

So, what would you like to speak about today? Namaste, Namaste.

Atma says, “About this Universe, the body of God.”

So we can say like this, isn’t it, that the Universe is actually the breath of God or the body of God himself. All that appears in the light of this Consciousness belongs to this Consciousness itself. There has never been another to which this can belong. Like we say ‘Who does this body belong to? Who do these thoughts belong to? Who does any appearance belong to?’ It all must belong to God himself or Consciousness itself; whatever label you want to use is okay. But in this there is no role for an individual person. I don’t see an individual person anywhere. [Smiles]. If you can find an individual person, can any one of you show me where is this person?

Clare says, “Ananta, did you see Ustreamer1767’s question at the top of the chat?” No, I did not.

Ustreamer1767 said, “Beloved Ananta, I feel socially anxious, as in fear.”  Yes.

Are you still here now? And maybe you can elaborate on this a little more. When you say ‘socially anxious’ do you mean when you have to interact with people then you feel that a sense of fear comes up? So, this is typical when somebody is sort of a loner, they like being alone, then when they’re put into a social situation they feel a lot of fear coming. Is that what you are referring to? So, while you answer, we can look at this aspect of it to see that this fear, at the root of it, must have some separation, isn’t it? It must mean that ‘I have defined something to be me and I have defined something to be another’. And when you find that this ‘me’ and ‘another’ is not there, then some of this will start to fade away. See? Some natural anxiety can still be allowed to appear, because if this is part of your conditioning, don’t say that it should go away completely or that it says something about your freedom. If it has been part of our conditioning, then something will naturally continue to arise; but it’s just that you see that it means nothing to you. So when it arises, it will be only momentarily, but it doesn’t mean anything.

You see, in my own case, I would never have believed…, the person I was before would never have believed that ‘One day you will have online satsangs with people, you will have in-person satsangs with people’. I would rather be alone in a room reading a book or something like that. The conditioning here was also not very social. But now it is seen that it means nothing at all. So even if some old conditioning comes up, it is allowed to come, and it is allowed to go. It says nothing about me. Because ultimately here there has been lost this fear of what others will think about me. See, because this fear is not there of what others will think about me, this is a great freedom actually. Many of us had this fear. We have been able to let go of our thoughts, we are unconcerned with the content of our thoughts, but still we got concerned about thoughts others might have about us. It is as meaningless as our thoughts. It is ‘the same guy’.

So, I go through the [chat] list and I don’t see that Ustreamer1767 is still there. So when you come back, we’ll look at this part of your question again.

There is no thought which we need to be concerned about; no thought that we need to be concerned about at all. And if you’re not concerned about thought, then nothing can bother us. This is openness, this is allowing, this is non-resistance. A thought is only resistance to what is. A thought is ‘what should be’. So belief in a thought means a non-acceptance of what is.

Atma says, “Thank you, Father. Smiling, smiling.”  Thank you, my dear.

Amrit says, “Namaste, Anantaji.”  Namaste. Good.

Atma, love you, too. Meera is here. “Namaste, Father,” she says. Namaste. Namaste, Naomi. Atma is smiling.

Atma says, “The thought is ‘what should be’. Yes. Totally clear. <censored> Mother used to say it so often, ‘you should do this or that’.”

A thought is always a ‘should’ or ‘should not’, ‘want’ or ‘don’t want’, ‘do’ or ‘don’t do’. None of it means anything at all.

See, the person is not an improbable one. It’s not highly probable that a person does not exist. The person is the impossible one. It’s impossible for a person to exist. And we cannot hide behind the word ‘ego’ because ego only means the sense of personhood itself; the sense of being a person. Most people will say ‘I’m not egoistic’. But ego is the sense of being a person.

Atma says, “Much love is here. Just came from nowhere. Love you.” Love you too, my dear.

Adam says, “Yes, thank you. Was going to write about one of my problems but no power to do so. No problems here.”

You see, it seems like so much effort now; so much effort to give belief to a problem. Many of you are seeing now that it seems like so much effort to pick up a thought; whereas initially it would seem like it was effort to give up thoughts or not to believe thoughts. Now you see that it seems like effort to pick up this burden of thoughts. And for what? What have thoughts given to us? What has been the gift of thoughts? Only suffering or misery. Pride or guilt, fear or regret; all of this has been the gift of thought.

Wiebke says, “Can you talk about resistance?”  Yes.

Resistance means a non-acceptance of what is. And see, ultimately, resistance is a non-acceptance of God. Actually, it is seen like this. So what is: It is. What is, is. What appears, appears. What is happening, is happening. Then a thought comes that this should be another way, this should not be like this, I want it to be different, or I want it to be always the same. All of this is resistance. So the function of the mind, the function of the ego is to resist what is. And in this state of resistance, then it’s the cause of the root of any suffering. When there is none of this resistance, when there is complete openness then you cannot suffer. And no knowledge is required; all is clearly seen. Our true nature is apparent. So resistance is another name for the ego.

There cannot be an ego without resistance, there cannot be separation without the resistance. And sometimes resistance becomes like this game. You’ve seen what is real. You know that you’re the pure Witnessing itself, you’re the pure Awareness itself, but you’ve played the game so long that you don’t want to let go of it; then you say ‘Because there is so much resistance here’. It is the nature of the mind to resist. Don’t expect the mind to change. Don’t expect this leopard to change its spots; it will not. And if you keep relying on the testimony of this mind then you will say that ‘I am still resisting’. Because the mind’s function is to resist. You see?

Namaste, Ishani.

Ginger says, “Sometimes, when I watch mind activity, it literally looks like a circus; random thoughts, images, etc. I can see the movie-like quality of this force. It is utterly harmless.”

Yes. It is completely harmless. And even when we say that we give it reality through our belief, it is not real. To give it reality through our belief only means that we imagine it to be true. You see? Don’t imagine it to be true. That is the meaning of withdrawing our belief.

Namaste, Cornelia. Very welcome, Wiebke.

You see, we can do this. Let’s all do this now. We have done this once before, but what we can do is:

Just be aware of the thoughts that are coming. Be completely open. Be welcoming to all thoughts that are coming. Don’t resist any thoughts. Welcome every thought. And then, if there is a thought that you believe, then you can expose that in satsang. Let all thoughts come and go, but if there is a thought that still catches your belief then you can expose that to yourself. And if you feel to, then you can expose it in satsang as well. Shall we do this? Let’s do this for a few minutes. And while I wait for your answer, we can read what Ginger said.

She said, “I can see, even if it is imagined to be true, it is a play in (Consciousness). <censored> It has nothing to do with awareness.”  Yes. It’s true.

Atma says, “Yes.”  So shall we do this quick contemplation, where we actually search for a thought to come which still gets our belief? Meera says, “Yes.” Clare says, “Yes.” Very good. So eyes can be open or closed. And I’ll read your responses in about 10 minutes. Just for ten minutes, we can be silent and we can be completely open to all thoughts to come and go; and expose if any thought gets our belief.

There could be a thought which says ‘Okay, we have ten minutes, let me quickly check my e-mail or let me go and check what’s happening on Facebook’. Just see that this is just another thought and don’t give it your belief.

[Silence]. Very good, keep going. Don’t get distracted.

[Silence]. See which thought still gets your belief.

[Silence]. Kapil is joining late, so we can just quickly explain what we are doing. We’re letting all thoughts come & go, and we’re exposing a thought which still gets our belief.

[Silence]. Look for the specific thoughts. See if there are thoughts about which thoughts are believed. Check if there are some thoughts which say that ‘These are meaningful thoughts still. These are acceptable thoughts to believe’.

[Silence]. Another minute or two.

[Silence]. Very good, very good.

So, I went through what you all had written, and there were some common threads. So initially what happened is that there were thoughts which were saying that ‘You are an individual doer who must do something’. So they presume that there was an individual person here who could take this thought and use it to do something.

So there was a thought about acceptance about people; that you must ‘do’ acceptance. There was a thought about helping sick people or needy people; that you as a person must do something. And Atma said the same thing, that ‘You have to do or not do something’. And Naomi also said ‘Avoid heavy traffic. Go to the doctor’. All presuming that there is a person who must do something. But we have found now that there is no such person here. It’s like the thoughts are speaking to nothingness. So this presumption that God needs a thought or Consciousness needs a thought to be able to do something; to be able to help suffering people, to be able to avoid heavy traffic, to be able to accept…, does God need to rely on these thoughts?

And then it seemed like the second part of the thoughts which were getting believed and getting exposed here were thoughts about the lack of belief in thoughts itself. There were thoughts with more of a spiritual quality, isn’t it? And Consciousness does not need to rely on any of these spiritual thoughts also. So it’s very good that all of you are able to expose this. Amaya also exposed something nice.

She said, “That the only thought that seemed to be believed was the thought ‘I don’t believe this thought’.

Very interesting to see this. See, this is what Bhagavan [Ramana Maharshi] is talking about, that we use one thorn to remove the other thorn. So ‘Let go of the thought’ or ‘Don’t believe the next thought’ is like this thorn, is the master thorn which is being used to remove all the other thorns; and then even this is thrown away. Very good point.

Ginger had said, “When attention isn’t resting in awareness, the world appears and I imagine I am in the circus.”  Yes.  “Many thoughts can be believed from this position. They are all ‘I, me, other’ thoughts.”  Yes, most thoughts are concerning I, me, and another. “No other thoughts cause trouble.”

Usually there are no other thoughts, you see? Most thoughts, at the root, will have the ‘me’.

Wiebke said, “I am tired. I cannot ‘not’ believe this thought.” Which is another thought, so she put it in quotes. Very good.

Cornelia had said earlier that, “It is the thought of believing (in being) a mother and having a big responsibility.”

You see, this is very good also, because it exposes the identity which still remains. So when the thought has some juice, we see that it exposes the identity which still remains.

And then Cornelia said, “No thoughts now.”  Very good.

Naomi says, “I have to say some anxiety has arisen that the idea of dropping a thought is an idea in itself. Just noticing.”

Some anxiety has arisen that the idea of dropping a thought is another thought. So like Amaya said, it’s another thorn that we’re using and this also…, ‘drop the thought’ is another thought which will be dropped in the end. You see, when the infection is gone, then no need for the medicine also.

Namaste, Zoe, very good.

Stacy said, “The thought ‘There are no thoughts’ and then ‘What should I write here?’…”  Yes. [Smiles]. “So, really, the assumption that there was an individual thinker was identified with and then it was seen.”  Very good.

Atma says, “Yes, if there is belief in thought it is only from the position of the seeming-person.”

Yes. Thoughts are only referring to you as a person; even when they’re calling you ‘Awareness’ they are saying that the person has become Awareness.

Let me skip a few because there are lots.

Amrit also says, “What believes a thought is also a thought.”  Yes.

Zoe says, “All thoughts come and go, but none seem to have much bite anymore. ‘What should I do today’ is another thought.”  Yes.

Ishani said, “Father, this morning I had a doubt which kind of went away as soon as I wrote it, which is that I have heard Masters say that ‘You can use thought for practical purposes’ and I don’t seem to have thoughts which get any attention now.”  Yes. “And a thought came that ‘I will be able to take care of things’ and it immediately went away when I realized it was another thought which just passes.”  Yes.

See, many times the Masters will say, based on the questioner also. You see, there are many questioners who come, and they have so much reliance on thought for everything that the Master first says ‘Don’t rely on thought for psychological needs’ because maybe for some it might be too much medicine to say ‘Let go of all your thoughts’. You see? Usually I am a little more strong and I say ‘Let go of all’ but sometimes Masters will say ‘Let go of the thoughts which you are relying on for psychological needs, but practical thoughts are okay for now’. You see? And when the psychological needs, the thoughts are gone then, in that itself, the identity of the doer starts vanishing, then this question of ‘practical thoughts’ or ‘practical requirements’ will go away; because it is seen that ‘I was never the doer of even the practical actions’. There is no individual ‘I’.

Louise says, “Father, there is still just this energy without any actual words. Hard to pin-point what is being believed.” Yes.

This energy sometimes can be strong. And some of you have suffered from these kind of energies for a long time. But they will not survive satsang. And with your devotion and faith to the Satguru in your Heart, this Satguru will clean up all of this energy. Don’t have any fear about it. Don’t have any concern about it. There is no ‘me’ which this energy is touching anyway now. The ‘impossible one’ is gone. The ‘imagined one’ does not have belief now. So don’t resist any energy; it is coming here to get burnt now.

Sometimes these energies get so strong that they try to prevent you from coming to satsang. But you are here…, and since you say ‘The energy is here’ then I know the energy will not last. It will be burnt in the fire of satsang. Very good. You will find it diminishing more and more. And sometimes you will find that it goes into hiding, then just appears. These are all just repressed energies, you see, because of some events or something that happened. They will not survive.

Naomi says, “Very clear. Much love.”  Much love to you, too.

Ishani, “Thank you, Father.”  Welcome.

Atma says, “The ‘impossible one’ has gone. Love this.”  Yes. [Smiles].

We say ‘The impossible one has gone’. We already said it was the ‘impossible one’. It was never here; only in our daydream it was here, and now the daydream is over.

Stacy says, “Amen.”  Yes.

Clare says, “Yesterday I saw very clearly the trickster thoughts of congested fear and separation. They were very strong and corrupt and I was just able to not believe them, like you said.”   Very good.  “So just rested and they unraveled and disappeared.”  Very good. “Thank you so much.”  Very welcome. Very good.

You see, with this we see that all of these thoughts are nothing; they’re just nothing. They just come and go. It’s very good.

Atma says, “The impossible…, yes. Smiling.”  Yes.

Amaya says, “Very great, the ‘Don’t believe the thought’.”

Yes. I’ve even shifted from saying ‘Let go of your next thought’ because even this was causing some confusion as to ‘How do I let go?’ or ‘I’m not able to let go’. So now we looked at it and we made it even simpler; we said ‘Don’t believe your next thought’. Just don’t believe your next thought, and in this itself it is the end of your suffering.

So Amaya says, “Very great, the ‘Don’t believe the thought’, since have found also when it’s hard to drop it, it was always easy to not believe it.”  Yes. That’s true. Very good. “Thank you. So clear.”  Yes.

So, we’re moving towards complete simplicity. You see, even to say ‘Let go of your next thought’ was a little complicated sometimes, so we looked at it and said ‘What is it that is completely clear?’ And this pointing ‘Don’t believe your next thought’ makes it even simpler to understand. Good. Just in this simple pointing is the end of all suffering.

Clare says, “It’s so beautiful, thank you.”  So very welcome.

Zoe says, “Father, when you said yesterday ‘I am not a thing’ this was so clear to me; and as a person is not a thing, I cannot be a person. So simple.”  Yes. Very good. “Thank you, beloved Father.”  Thank you, my dear. Very good.

I’m very happy to see that you and Louise are together. It is, in a sense, the first meeting in Australia of the Sangha of Being. [Big smile].

You are no ‘thing’. How can you be a ‘thing’? You are not an object.

Atma says, “Wow.”

Clare says, “The most beautiful thought in existence: Don’t believe the next thought.”

Yes. At least the most useful thought in existence, we can say.

Atma says, “Thank you, sweet Father, at your holy feet.”  Very welcome, my dear. She says, “I am not an object.”

So now we have stopped pretending to be an object. We have stopped pretending to be the impossible one. The impossible never IS. What you are is ever-present.

Atma says, “Yes, I have stopped pretending to be impossible. So clear.”  Thank you.

See, for many years, many lifetimes, we’re in this strange state of hypnosis. It’s a strange state of hypnosis where just blindly we are believing ourself to be a thing or an object. For many, many years we have believed this. And when the first time it was heard that ‘Do you want to find out who you are?’…, there’s a sense of strong resistance that came up for many of us when this question was first asked. You say ‘Of course I know who I am!’ And we’ll use the label or we’ll put the name for an identity and say ‘This is what I am. It is completely clear to me’.  But through grace, when this openness comes to just look for yourself ‘Who am I in reality? What is it that is not coming and going?’ …, if grace gives us this openness, just with this openness the false will completely unravel, and the truth has already revealed itself.

Naomi said, “Thoughts have some juice when paired with fear. But noticing when thoughts drop, so does this sensation. Thank you, thank you, thank you for the gift.” Very welcome.

You see, you will stop fearing fear also. You are the infinite space in which all emotions can exist; where all of them can appear, but none of them can touch You in reality. Then you see that it is just another feeling.

The difference between thoughts and emotions is that thoughts are energy constructs which seem to be coming and going very fast; but emotions are energy constructs which seem to linger on for longer. But in the same way, we do not resist them. We do not want to force them out also. And sometimes this is just some energy which is getting released.

So when we say that some emotion is coming, it is actually going. If we don’t resist it, we don’t fight with it, then we don’t perpetuate it. So instead of saying that ‘This emotion came’ we can say that ‘This emotion is going now’. But the seeing of it, the awareness of it, is completely untouched.

You see, ultimately, if we’re not believing the thought about the emotion also, then also: no trouble. It is always the interpreter which is causing trouble. It is the interpreter which is resisting this emotion also. It is the interpreter which calls the same emotion almost the same emotion; sometimes it calls it excitement and another time it calls it anxiety. The only trouble is belief in this interpreter; even belief in the interpreter about our feelings or anything else which is appearing. You see this? That’s very good.

Atma says, “So grateful, so grateful. Smiling and crying, full of love.”  Very good.

Adam says, “Yes. Thank you.” Very welcome, my dear.

Denan says, “Thank you, Ananta, for making this so, so simple.” Very welcome. “So much gratitude.”

It’s so useful to have this memory also; this memory is a useful tool so I can see that what seemed to have appeared in the past here is also an opportunity to try and make it simpler for everyone else. From my own experience of what were the things that caused confusion, now I can look at it from this perspective and say ‘Maybe this is still a little confusing, so how can we make it simpler?’ That is why it is very beautiful that all Teachers still have memory about their conditioned state and how it was; because that provides the raw material to come up and say ‘This might be simple to understand’ or ‘This may be more difficult to digest’. Otherwise, from the ultimate perspective, nothing needs to be said at all, isn’t it? [Laughs].

So it is a beautiful life, it is pure grace, everything moves according to the Divine plan. With this beautiful trust in life, just we can enjoy this game. Every moment is full of so much life, so much wonder so much joy, so much love. And this beautiful sangha’s Presence is also so beautiful and loving and joyful. I thank you all so very much.

Thank you for being in satsang today, and thank you for your Presence.

So much love to all of you. Moojiji ki Jai ! [Namaste]. [Blows kiss. Waves].

Sangha: Moojiji ki Jai !  Anantaji ki Jai ! Thank you. Love you.

Namaste everyone, a very warm welcome to satsang today. Moojiji ki Jai.

Thank you very much, everyone, for joining in. And if this is your first time in satsang, know that the way to ask questions is through the chat window.

What do you have to do now? For freedom, what do you have to do now? Do you have to stay in a particular state? Do you have to focus on the sense of Being? Is there anything that is required to be done for you to become free? Do we need more knowledge? Do we need to be constantly in the presence of love? What else is required to be done now?

You see, this must come from our own concept of ‘What is freedom?’ So if freedom is still a state, if freedom is a state of mind, then to achieve a state of mind we can say that something must be done. But this is not true. Freedom is not a state of mind. Freedom is your own true nature. Your Self is ever free and the Self is here now. Therefore the Self was never bound. Bondage was only a day dream.

So what must be done to find freedom? So most of you said ‘Nothing to be done’. So you know this already. Nothing is to be done. Therefore if nothing is to be done are you free now? If nothing is to be done then you must be free now.

Aryev says, “From absolute point of view nothing needs to be done but from a relative point of view one needs to release thoughts and identify with the true self.”    Yes

So conversationally we can say these things. You see? Conversationally we can say it like this that from the absolute point of view, nothing. And from the relative point of view we need to let go of our thoughts. But the only true point of view is the absolute point of view. You must remember that the only true point of view is the absolute point of view; the point of view of Awareness itself. This is the only point of view which is ever-present. For any other point of view we have to imagine ourselves to be something we are not. And if we have to imagine ourselves first to be something we are not, what takes more effort?

What takes more effort, the absolute or the relative? The mind will confuse us about this and it will say that first we must get through the relative and that will take us to the Absolute but have we ever contemplated this? What is more difficult? It is more difficult to first put on the persona, to imagine ourselves to be something we are not and then work from that perspective. And when all false perspectives are dropped then what remains?

Who is seeing now? Who is aware now? And don’t struggle to find an answer. You see? It is not about the answer. It is just the looking. Who is aware now? The One who is aware now, does that One have any dimensions? Can this One be relative to anything else?

Shanti says, “Awareness is aware now.”

Aryev says, “Witnessing is Self-aware.”    Yes

And for this Awareness, this Witnessing, is there something called the relative perspective?

Atma says, “Totally clear.”

See it must become totally clear, the instant we drop all efforts we see that what is here now is just the pure Awareness itself.

Soham says, “No relative perspective Father.”    This is very good.

So no effort required and it is clearly seen what we are. Then what decisions do you have to make now? What decisions must you make now? So you say that ‘I have seen that I cannot do anything because I am the pure Witnessing of all that appears and disappears but how do I decide what to do next?’ You see? It sounds very funny when I say it like this but I still get some questions around ‘How do I decide?’ If you are not the doer then what decisions can be made?

Atma says, “No decisions.”   Very good.

Soham says, “No decisions to be made.”    Yes.

Atma says, “Nothing, nothing.”

Stacy says, “I can only say there is nothing here; just resting as presence.’  Very good.

Soham says, “Not even concept of decision.”     Very nice.

Shanti says, “Awareness is in charge.”

Amaya says, “But did find myself calling the dentist as if guided in that moment.”     Yes.

So the life will continue to unfold. See this is very good that she brought this up. Because when we say this we feel that we will come into a state where no movement will happen, that no action will happen. All actions and movements will continue to happen so what is seen is that ‘I’ as a person was never a doer. But Consciousness has been doing things all along. All is just flowing in the light of Consciousness. So the calling of the dentist can happen but there was no individual who decided to call. It only feels like there was an individual here who decided to call. It was just another feeling. The feeling of the individual sense of ‘me’. Um?

Yes so Amaya said, “Just not a ‘conceived doing’.”

So there still…so when we say a ‘conceived doing’ maybe what she refers to is something that was preplanned. So she says that planning is gone now but in the moment she was guided. Yes. It is true but even this ‘you’ was not an individual person. It was Consciousness itself who said that ‘I will move’. Or ‘I will change the way the light is shining so that the appearance appears differently’.

You see so the individuality cannot even hide behind being guided by intuition now. You see? It is all just One Being itself playing this game of being guided also. And with this understanding there is so much freedom. With this understanding there is a complete dropping of the ‘me’ concept. Because the ego cannot live without the sense of doing something.

The ego constantly needs to be doing something. Even a ‘not doing’ it is okay with. You see? When I say even a ‘not doing’ means it is doing ‘not doing’.

Okay and since some of you are new this might be a little confusing so you can ask.

You see the neutrality is our true state. When we say ‘I’m doing’ or ‘I’m not doing’, when we say ‘I’m the doer’ or ‘I’m not the doer’ both imply that this ‘I’ exists as an individual entity. You see then we see that something does not exist. When we say something does not exist then will we attribute even a non-doing attribute to it? Will we say that ‘I am not the doer’? Or will we call an object that doesn’t exist a ‘non-doer’? No. Because it is irrelevant. It is not applicable. All attributes are not applicable now. You see?

So Shanti says, “’God is my secretary now’.”    Yes.

So this can be said from the perspective of the Absolute. Only from the perspective of the Absolute Awareness and it’s a question of definitions. So if we are saying that the Absolute Awareness is what I am then we see that what appears in this Absolute Awareness is this sense of Consciousness or this Beingness-‘I Am’. And if we define this Consciousness as God then we see that this entire projection is for me. It’s in service to me. And therefore we can say these words ‘God is my secretary now’. Without any sense of pride or arrogance we can say these kind of words if our definitions are like this.

Amaya says, “Yes.”

Clare says, “When I am in satsang or alone or at work (I work with children) my self is apparent. With my partner Barry who is very mind orientated I notice that I get pulled in to confusion and stress because Barry needs a lot of momentum/planning to feel safe. I place all my relationships in your hands.”    Yes.

You don’t have to even pre-decide how you’re going to be. Let life decide moment to moment. That’s exactly what we’re talking about today. So when she dropped this concept that ‘I am the decision maker’ and ‘I can decide to be the Self or a person’ at the root of it, it is this. Isn’t it? So I can really say there is no ‘decision maker’ truly. And if there is no ‘decision maker’ then you see that life is unfolding moment to moment as it must.

So in the presence of someone who is mind orientated also we don’t have to worry about how to behave, what to say. Let life take care of itself. Like my Master says, “Leave your existence to existence”. And then you will find that in your own presence even the apparent ‘others’, their minds will turn towards silence, and they will have a desire for the same peace which you are experiencing.

So if there is no doing needed, there is no decision making needed. Then what is left? There is no choice, no decision making, no effort, no doing. Then what is left? Then what could be left is just a feeling that ‘something should arise in my appearance and something else should not arise’. So that is also a subtle preference, a subtle decision that you have made.

Therefore we can become completely open and fearless towards any appearance. Because no appearance can really touch you. And when I say ‘become fearless’ it does not mean that you have to do something to become fearless. It is only to contemplate whether any appearance which is arising can touch this Awareness, can touch what you are. Can any appearance touch what you are? We can all answer. After contemplating and seeing from the heart, if there is an answer coming we can say it here.

Shanti says, “I was just quoting Mooji earlier and I like what you said about it.”    Yes, yes.

My Master says that Consciousness is the God of the waking state, is the Deity of the waking state. He also says, “God is my secretary now” then speaking from the ultimate perspective, yes.

So can anyone find an appearance which can touch the witnessing?

Atma says, “Yes father, I am totally fearless. Nothing can touch me ever.”     Very good! Good. What can hurt the witnessing? What can make the witnessing suffer?

Atma says, “Allowing everything.”

Soham says, “I am neutral witnessing. Nothing can touch me. Emotions may be seen but they have no effect on me.”    Very good.

Loney says, “This morning, in silence, chaos is taking place. So glad I/me don’t have to figure it out.”     Yes.

This chaos is also an appearance. The awareness of chaos or the awareness of non-chaos is untouched by any of these states. Just in the same way as awareness of mind and awareness of no mind is untouched by either state. Nothing is stronger than you. In fact you’re beyond any definition of strength. How can One that is completely untouched by any appearance, how is this One even in the paradigm of strength or weakness? It is not. It is beyond any such attributes. You are beyond any such attributes. All we are doing is talking about You.

So is there anyone here who feels that they are touched by any appearance or hurt by any appearance? Very good.

Stacy says, “Over last couple days it’s more clear nothing can touch me.”    Good.

Shanti says, “Witnessing is not touched. Witnessing only sees and cannot be seen or otherwise acted upon. It’s a one way street.”    Yes.

Denan says, “It is seen nothing can touch Awareness and yet some separation is felt between ‘me’ and Awareness. This thought of separation still has some juice but is seen through…seems still moving from person to Presence.”

Okay so let’s come to the now. Is a ‘me’ here now? Is there a ‘me’ here now? All of us can do this because I feel this is a common testimony to say that ‘there is still some distance between Awareness and me’. You see? So is there a ‘me’ here now? Who can find the ‘me’? It’s very good to contemplate these things even if the mind is saying ‘I already know this’. You see?

Denan says, “Laughing… I know there’s not. I know better than to believe.”     Yes.

So even if there’s this ‘me’ which you might ultimately be referring to as the sense ‘I Am’, the presence of Beingness, the presence of Being which you might be referring to as ‘me’, even this is witnessed. There is Awareness even of this. So to Awareness, even this seems to arise and subside. Ultimately this Awareness is you. Even when you say ‘I witness this Pure Being-I Am’. You might say ‘I witness even the Pure Being-I Am’. In that statement itself you say that you are the witnessing and not the Pure Being, not even the Pure Being. You’re prior to even the sense ‘I Am’. That’s why Moojiji has this book called ‘Before I Am’. What is before even ‘I Am’ in light of which the entire Universe gives birth?

Clare says, “I do get caught up in person-hood still.”    Yes.

But if you were to look, you will find that it is not you. It is just the appearance which seems to be caught up. It is only the imagined one which seems to be caught up. It is only your attention which seems to be stuck at something. But even now it is not you. It is not Awareness which can ever get stuck with something or get caught up in person-hood.

So this ‘I’ which you are referring to yourself as is which one? That’s what we’re trying to see.

Shanti says, “Mooji said something I liked very much: ‘A thing is not there because it is there. It is there because You see it’.”     Exactly!

And this is very much scientific also. All the scientific experiments about Shrodinger’s cat… You see? The world exists for you. It arises within you actually.    “This simple pointing was so amazing.”    Yes. That’s very beautiful.

Loney says, “Ananta can you talk about…there is I am, being, and the seeing of that. Doesn’t that make two?”    Yes. Which one are you?

First you must see which one are you? Ultimately you are only the witnessing of all there is. So when the presence of even Being is not there, we see that awareness is all there is. Pure Seeing, Pure Witnessing is all there is. And then the birth of Being happens. So where must this Being be coming from? If Awareness is all there is then Being also must be coming from Awareness itself. There is nothing outside of Awareness. Therefore Being also must be made up of Awareness itself. It is like what we say, isn’t it?  We say that ‘ice is also water. It’s just in a different form’. So Being is also Awareness itself but it ‘feels’ different. It ‘seems’ different. Just like ice seems different from water. So there’s an ice cube inside water. Inside a bowl of water there is an ice cube. Is it one or is it two? It feels like it is two but ultimately it is all water, isn’t it?

Then Loney says, “I am the seeing…”    Yes.    “But not as an I- it is selfless.”     Yes!

That is what I’ve been trying to say. Isn’t it? [Laughing] This is what satsang is about. That this ‘I’ that you are is not a person. So when you say ‘It is selfless’, this selflessness is what I call the Self. This Absolute without even the sense of there being any self, without any sense of individuality, without any sense of separation is what I call the Self. Therefore it is not the definitions I’m interested in. You see the Buddhists call the ego the sense of self and we use the word ‘Self’ for the Absolute. So it’s not the definitions that I’m so much bothered about. It is to see that I am this Pure Seeing, this Witnessing, this Awareness is what I am. With no sense of individuality, no entity, this is what you are. You are not a thing. You see? Now you have seen what you are.

You say, ‘but not as an I’. Yes. It is not as an ‘I’. So you have lost this separate ‘I’. It is just a Pure Awareness itself. This is good. Now for this Awareness all states can come and go and this Awareness is what you are.

Denan says, “The feeling of person/me and the one who thinks it’s experiencing separation and the one who feels proud for catching this….all seen through and dropped.”    Very good! [Big smile] You got many of these tricks, subtle tricks and you’re throwing them away. Very good.      “Just I am.”      Very good.

Soham says, “Father, every small doubt that had been seen and surrendered to you, has been completely burned during this retreat.”    Very good.     “I can say without any sense of person ego, that there is complete clarity now.”     Yes. That’s very good.

In the now there is always complete clarity. Just be a little vigilant to any sense of feeling that ‘I as a person have now become free’, that ‘I am a liberated person now’. You see, this is where the mind comes in and tries to trick you. This is very good. You say ‘it’s completely clear now’. Very beautiful. [Looking lovingly at screen and nodding head] That’s very good.

Jayani says, “Namaste Father. When all falls away and only emptiness remains, is this awareness?”

If you say that emptiness is seen; that it is seen that there is only emptiness here which means that nothing is moving, everything has quietened down, there are no concepts left, all beliefs are dropped therefore you cannot find a person here anymore. And then you say ‘I can see that there is only emptiness that remains’. So ’emptiness’ here could refer to the state of there still being some content or not being any content. You see? And even this is seen. So when we refer to emptiness in terms of time and space then we are even the witnessing of this emptiness which is happening in time and space. But sometimes we refer to Emptiness as this Pure Awareness itself, this Pure Witnessing itself. So when we are saying ’emptiness’ are we talking about the appearance of Emptiness or the witnessing  of what is appearing? So it depends on what we are calling ’emptiness’. But when all falls away we see that only Witnessing remains. So we can say that in time and space even the concept of emptiness or fullness falls away. Then what remains? Still the Awareness remains. Isn’t it? You see? In the space where there was something now in that space there is nothing. But the witnessing of the space with something and the space with nothing is untouched by it.

Jayani says, “Beyond time and space,”     Very good.

And for those of you who are new here, just be a little careful not to create any visual metaphors for Awareness or any of these concepts that we speak about. Don’t fall for a mind’s visual of what Awareness is. Because many will visualize Awareness to be one dark space or some pure white space or something like that. No. It is not the visual. It is the witnessing of even this. It is the seeing of even this. It is the Awareness of this which has no attribute and cannot be seen as phenomenal. It is a non-phenomenal Seeing. Just like when we say ‘Are you aware now?’ We can say that there is a seeing of Awareness but it is not seen phenomenally. So therefore we can say that ‘Nothing was seen and yet I know’. We can say ‘Emptiness was there and I am That’. When we speak like this then it is fine.

Goldeneagle13 says, “Quietly here. Om”     Welcome.

Soham says, “Yes Father. No person to be free. No one to be liberated. Only liberation exists.”     Very good. [Laughs]     “Can’t even say liberation is as no concept of bondage is.”    Very beautiful.

Jayani says, “Beyond time and space.”

What is untouched by time and space? Can you find that One which is untouched by time and space? We’ve often heard these terms ‘timelessness’ and ‘all pervasive’ which means that it is untouched by time and space. So what is it that is untouched by time and space?

Loney says, “One more question Ananta.”    Of course!    “Awareness is the limitless one isn’t it?”    Yes.

We can say that of Awareness and Beingness which is Awareness itself. But even as pure unassociated Being we can say that it is the Limitless One because time and space are born inside Being.

Atma says, “Yes. That One.”    That One you are.

Loney says, “I mean as in Brahman.”    Yes. Awareness, the Absolute, the Brahman is the Limitless One. Yes.

Denan says, “Awareness is untouched.”

So the final question could be ‘Can you ever stop being this Awareness? Can you become something else? Can you in reality ever become anything else?’ Okay?

Shanti says, “The timeless and spaceless is untouched by time and space.”     Exactly. Very good.

So can you ever become something else other than Awareness?

Soham says, “No.  Impossible.”    Very good.

Loney says, “I don’t know what is happening, but I am so falling in love with life right now.”    Yes. This is very good.

Jayani, “Been immersed in Guruji’s satsang. Pure Grace. No words. Only ever This.”    Very beautiful. Very good.

Shanti says, “There is nothing ‘else’.”     You see?

So if you can never not be Awareness itself, if you can never NOT be Awareness itself then is there anything that needs freedom here? Or should we say ‘If you can never not be Awareness itself do you need freedom now?’ Do you need freedom? So at best we can say ‘Only in our dreams. Only in our imagination’.

Aryev says, “Imagination is made up of self-stuff too.”     Yes.

As long as we see that it is all imagination then nothing that it is made up of can cause any trouble. If we give it a sense of reality through the power of our own belief then all the trouble starts.

Loney says, “What a silly question.”     Yes! [Laughing] So I’ll start replying like this. You see?

When someone says ‘Can you give me freedom now?’ I’ll say ‘What a silly question!’ Because you are Awareness itself. How can Awareness be bound? How can we give freedom to Awareness? Very good.

Shanti says, “Freedom is.”    Yes.

Clare says, “I place this insistence within me that person-hood arises still here; this habit of person-hood at your feet.”

No matter what day dream comes, what imagination comes, what game we play you are untouched by all of this. Because you cannot stop being the Awareness. Can you try, you can try? Stop being the Witnessing now. Stop the Witnessing and become only a person. Can you stop the Witnessing? What will you do to turn the Witnessing off? Okay then you might say ‘I can’t stop the Witnessing but how do I know that I am the Witnessing?’ You see?

This question can come. ‘I can’t stop the Witnessing but how do I know that I am the Witnessing?’ So can you try and step away from the Witnessing? Can you stand aside from the Witnessing? Can you create some distance between you and Witnessing?

Clare says, “Witnessing is always here.”    Very good.

Can you stand apart from this Witnessing? Can you create a real separation between Witnessing and your Self?

Loney says, “Stop being what I am; turning into a ghost that doesn’t exist.”    Not possible. You see? Exactly.

Aryev says, “I agree with you. Identifying with person-hood is more effort than being the self now.”     This is very good.

This is very good because just the other day we were speaking about whether it was effort to drop the person-hood. And now he sees that identifying is more effort. Very good. I’m very happy to hear that.

Clare says, “I am the witnessing.”

Even when the person-hood is arising, the sense of being a separate one is arising, even then ‘I am only the witnessing alone’.

Loney says, “No distance. Selfless Self is always here and is sensed as ‘I am That’.”     Yes. [Looking and smiling into screen]

When we say that ‘I am this Self’ then there is no trouble possible. No suffering can arise. [Silence and expression of great peace]

Jayani says, “Everything is on fire here. Let what can be burned. Doesn’t actually matter as nothing touches. Namah Shivaya.”

For you, even the fire you do not have to be concerned with. Isn’t it? Awareness is unconcerned of whether there is fire no fire.

Loney say, “So much love is here. So much love!”     Very good. This love is in service to your true Self.

Denan says, “The prayer keeps coming here to hand existence to (something got censored but let’s presume ‘existence’) Please absorb me in You.”      [Closing eyes and nodding] Yes. Such a prayer is never left unanswered.

[Bangalore Sangha arrives for online Silent Retreat with Mooji]

Thank you all so much for a beautiful satsang today.

Moojiji Ki Jai. [Kisses and waves goodbye]

Sangha: Moojiji Ki Jai. Anantaji Ki Jai.

Namaste everyone. Very warm welcome to satsang today. Moojiji ki jai!

Thank you so much for joining in. If this is your first time in satang, the way to ask questions is through the chat window. Namaste. Namaste. Welcome, welcome, welcome. Namaste.

So you do not now have an excuse to suffer. You see? We do not have any excuses left to suffer. What can make you suffer now?  And we are making it simpler and simpler so that no more excuses can remain. It’s super simple now; and we’re saying that the simplest way is to let go of your next thought. And yet there are some who said ‘I am having trouble letting go, how do I let go?’ See? So I felt that we must make it even simpler if possible; must make it even simpler if possible. So I feel it is even simpler to say don’t believe your next thought. Don’t believe your next thought. This is completely simple to understand. And it is also seen that to not give belief to the next thought is not a doing, is not any work, you see? With this, can you find any way to suffer? Without believing your next thought, can you find any way to suffer?

Shanti says, “Namaste Dear Father. So good to be with you and the sangha. I missed you so much as I was totally off line during the retreat.”  Very good, very good. Good to have you back.  “Just couldn’t stay.”

Cornelia says, “No more suffering.”  Yes.

Zoe and Louise are together. So lovely. Very good.

Atma says, “Nothing can make me suffer now father.”  Yes.

Kapil says, “Without ‘belief in thought’ there is no suffering.”  Yes.

It’s as simple as that isn’t it? Then what remains? What is still left to be done? When there is no more suffering then what is left to be done?

Namaste.  [Silence]

Atma, you are so sweet too. Thank you.

I want to leave you without any excuses. You have no reasons left now to suffer. Actually, there’s only one reason. Suffering is caused only by one reason and that is through belief in thought. So the other day I was joking and saying that we will maybe use the other way to say this, you see. We will use the other way to say this:

So if you want to become miserable; if you’ve not suffered for a long time and you’re really missing it and you want some misery…, if you want to be miserable I have the simple solution for you: quickly believe your thoughts.  [Smiling]

If you’re missing misery, if you’re missing suffering, quickly believe your thoughts.

So this satsang we can call ‘How to become miserable very fast’.

Kapil says, “Today, morning, the thought ‘you haven’t got it’ troubled me for some time. And then the pointing ‘do not believe the thought’ helped me laugh and get out of the sadness.”  Very good.  “Then tried looking for the one who was troubled…, nothing showed up.”

Yes. This one does not exist, see, and without belief in thought it is not possible to invent this one, to pretend to be this one, to imagine this one.  Stop being the impossible one. Stop being the impossible one and start being the Eternal One.

Stacy says, “You have taken away my crutches.”

Yes. So that you can fly. If I take away your crutches it is not so that you will fall. It is so that you can see that you cannot fall, you can only fly.

So do we want to be miserable? Do we want to be miserable?

Loney says, “I am still the impossible one; stuck, burning.”

Yes. Even if the stickiness is there, even if the burning is there, you cannot be the impossible one. You see, because it is not possible. In the saying that ‘it is the impossible one’ it is clear that it is just not possible.

Which thought are you believing now? Which thought are you believing?

You see for a while what happens is it seems like I must believe something. I must believe something. Because it seems too unsteady without belief in something. And that is why we have satsang, because you can believe these words. For the time being you can believe these words and not the words coming from your mind; not your egoic thoughts.

You can believe these words in satsang and these words will self-destruct. They will self-destruct and leave you as complete emptiness.

Atma says, “How to become miserable very fast…, hehe.”  Yes.

Ginger says ‘No’ to something we asked earlier.

Loney says, “I am the person – thought.”

Loney says, “I am hypnotized, then wake up, then hypnotized again.”

Don’t believe any of this story. Because the story seems so strong and so real, doesn’t mean you believe it. You were never hypnotized, you never woke up and you cannot be hypnotized again. This ‘you’ that you are referring to does not exist. It is your own game that you are playing.

Kapil says, “The thought ‘When Ananta has told me I am free, it means I am free’ helped me…” Yes. “… when I was sad/upset with the thought ‘you haven’t got it yet’.”

You see. That’s why Bhagavan [Ramana Maharshi] has said that these are thorns which we’re using to remove the older thorns of identification. So use the words in satsang; use these tools to free yourself.

Dee says: “So much love beloveds, just came to say hi. Back to silence”

So much love. Thank you for dropping in. Very good. Very good.

Prema says, “Father, so when there’s no more suffering, what’s left?”

You have to tell me. Whatever I say will become an expectation for the mind. You see? Right now when you don’t believe a thought you can tell me what is left. You can check if there is anything lacking. Is there anything missing? Is there any lack at all of anything?

So this much I can tell you, that there will be no lack, there will be no need. The rest, all of you can check for yourself.

Aryev says, “I heard King Janak had a few assistants who reminded him several times a day that he is not this body-mind. The habit of believing oneself to be a person is so strong.”

So I am your assistant, see? I’ll remind you. At least if you’re in satsang then for one hour I will keep reminding you.

‘The habit of believing oneself to be a person is so strong.’ Yes. But don’t energize it more by believing even this thought. You see, the mind is a trickster. It’ll pretend to be your ally and it’ll say ‘The habit is so strong’. It is not stronger than you. It arises from you. Nothing is strong for you.

Don’t postpone the journey.

Don’t make it a journey. It is now! You are free now! To make a journey out of it is also a tactic to postpone. Without believing a thought, show me how you are not free. See who you are, see what you are without believing a thought.

[Silence]

I feel in just this one phrase: ‘Don’t believe your next thought’ can be the end of all suffering.

And if all else has become meaningless for you; all you want is God, all you want is freedom, all you want is to realize your own Self…, if this is the only desire that is left then the words in satsang will explode what is false in you. And this explosion will not leave you with any concept.

Are you ready for this explosion? Are you still hiding something? Is there still some desire left?

Do you want to be an enlightened person? If you want to be an enlightened person then that is not possible. Enlightenment means: person goes. Enlightenment means the person idea dissolves. The impossible one is seen through.

Oh, I missed a lot of chat because it was not scrolling. I see. Ok.

Shanti says, “…’I’m very tired and can’t concentrate’ is just a thought and I can see it’s not true, even though the appearance is so strong. Awareness is never tired and does not have to concentrate.” Yes. “Nothing needs to change about what is appearing.” Beautiful. Very good.  “All is well.”  Yes, always. Very good.

Aryev says, “Hahaha !!! The satsangs are extremely helpful !”  Very good.  “So grateful for your guidance. Thank you!”  Very welcome, my dear.

Ginger says, “Yes”

Atma says, “Satsang is the way to see what is false in me.., yes Father, very great.” Very great

Everybody says, “Yes.”  Yes. Very good. If you are ready to explode then it is done.

Ustreamer391says, “I am ready for this explosion! How will we live then? Work-wise? Lots of thoughts arising, shall I ignore them?”

Yes. But do not run from them. You see, when you try to resist them…, that’s why I usually don’t recommend ignoring something because it is usually not so simple to turn your eyes away. I give you the easier way. The easier way is to not give it your belief.

The thought will say ‘If you’re not ambitious what is going to happen to your work?’ But you know now that work is happening on its own. Life is flowing on its own. The universe does not need help from your mind. God does not need help from your mind to work. And if it is work which is auspicious to happen in your life, then work will happen, but you will be unconcerned by any of this.

Once you realize who you are you will be unconcerned about whether you are a king or whether you are a beggar.  We will be unconcerned about whether you’re a king or whether you’re a beggar. And even in this you can see some fears might arise, isn’t it? When this is heard then some fear might arise saying ‘I don’t want to become a beggar, how can I choose the king option?’ You see, it’s like the red pill and blue pill. Which pill do I have to swallow to get the King Janaka enlightenment? Then that is not surrender. This is not surrender. If you already decided that this is the way it’s going to be, then these decisions are coming from the mind. You are completely untouched by any appearance. The Witnessing/the pure Awareness is not touched by any appearance.

You can check this for yourself. See how an appearance here in the external world or an appearance in the internal world of thoughts, memories, emotions is actually touching you.  How is anything actually touching you?

Very good.

Denan says, “Let it be done.”  Very good.

Atma says, “It is done.”

“Yes. It is done.” Vivi says.

Shanti says, “Kaboom! Mooji and you Father. Exploding with Love.” So much love.

Atma says, “Thank you.”

Stacy say, “Willing to be a hunchback beggar on the streets…, no conditions.” Very good.

Zoe says, “All is yours now Father.”  Very good.  “I don’t have to worry about it anymore.”  Very good. This is good.

Vivi says, “I am untouched.”

All of us can do this. We’re very quick to believe that ‘This is happening to me’. We’re in a rush to believe that something is happening to me, whereas in actuality nothing has ever happened to you. Show me how the Witnessing is touched by any appearance. Bring me that appearance that you are really touched by. You see? And when I say ‘touched by’ I am not saying that some emotions arise. Even the emotions cannot touch you. Let’s not be quick to claim that this is happening to me.  I have seen that nothing has ever happened to me and you will all also see the same.

Good. Vivi says, “I am untouched.”  Yes.

Ustreamer391says, “Please take the ego by me, beloved Ananta.”  Yes.

If you say that ‘All my thoughts, all that this mind is speaking to, is now Ananta’s problem’…, if you say that ‘It is all Ananta’s problem’ then this is what is meant by surrenderer. I am very happy to take everything. All your problems can be mine now. Give me all, your suffering.

Very good.

Denan says, “Something was a little rattled when you said…” and something got missed there… “was seen through as the untrue. I will live on a park bench for freedom.”  Very good. You see? Very good.

When we don’t predict that the life is going towards becoming the king of the universe or a beggar on the streets, when we stop predicting and we say ‘Let thy will be done’ then we realize that we are the Supreme Lord itself. Even a king means nothing to the Supreme.

Shanti says, “Nothing is happening to me.”  Yes.  “The world is as it is and I am unaffected.” Very good, very good.  “So clear.”

Yes. I can see the clarity in your words now: ‘Nothing is happening to me. The world is as it is and I am unaffected’.  Very good.

Aryev says, “Another thing I have checked is that indeed things that I used to believe, I had to do, get done by themselves somehow”.  Yes. “Belief in the person’s role in things is indeed fading.”

This is very good and this is the fruit of satsang. Because you have been in satsang it is not possible for you to escape this now. This is very good.

Stacy says, “Let thy will be done. Thank you, Father.”  Very welcome, my dear.

This is not a personal universe you see? There is no person here. Is this a person’s body? Are these a person’s thoughts? No! The person never existed. The universe is the body of God. I have said this before, isn’t it? The universe is the body of God. Let God do what he likes with his body.

Father knows best.

Aryev says, “As one of my friends jokingly says ‘Don’t be the doer, just be. ……Be the be-er!”

This is very nice. His friend jokingly says ‘Don’t be the doer – just be. Be the beer!’ It’s very nice.

Lot of flying [airplanes, helicopters] happening here today. I hope it isn’t interfering with audio too much.

Vivi says: “No kings or beggars here.” Very good. “Thank you.” Very good.

Stacy says that the audio is fine.

So who has an excuse left to suffer? What excuses are left now? Let’s expose them openly so that they can be looked at? What excuse do you have to suffer now?

[Silence]

Soham says, “No excuse possible, Father.”  Very good.

Shanti says, “No more excuses can come, but is quickly able to be seen now.”

See the thoughts will keep coming; like Shanti is saying, thoughts will keep coming and each of these thoughts is an excuse to suffer, but they cannot work on their own, they need the forces of attention and belief to first work on them. They cannot work on their own. Without your attention and belief they are meaningless. And I know that to withdraw attention seems difficult initially, but belief is easy. Belief is easy.

So if you don’t believe your next thought you have no excuse left to suffer.

[Silence]

There are all kinds of things today; helicopters, planes.

[Silence]

I’m just going to grab a glass of water and come back in a minute. Yes? I’ll be right back. [Ananta goes to get some water]

So that’s a first and we have another first, or a second; Garima’s also joined us for satsang now, so if any question comes up for her she can also ask.

So Shanti says, “No more excuses can come, but is quickly able to be seen now.”

Adam says, “Willing to give them all up now.”

Shanti says, “The hardest ones to let go of are the ‘pretty’ thoughts. But even these are seen to create suffering. Now can see them as well and letting go of ALL thought.” Very good.

Truth does not rely on a thought, only the false needs the crutches of thoughts. Truth does not rely on belief. Truth does not become better with belief. The false becomes stronger with belief.

Soham says, “Father, you know how you often say ‘There is just the one guy’? During these retreat satsangs, I have seen myself in every one of these speakers.”  Yes.  “I have seen myself in every one of these speakers. The person I once believed in has felt or believed everything I have heard them say.”  Yes. It is very good.  “And when someone gets it, such joy arises.”  Yes.  “It is not just their joy, but my joy as well. It is seen that this joy is universal.”  Yes.  “…no me or them …only the one guy.”  Yes.

If this entire universe is the body of God, then all that is arising here is God’s. You see? This is not a personal universe, this is not a person’s body, this is not a person’s mind because the person is the impossible one. It never existed. It was only imagined.

Louise says, “Big hugs, Garima.”

So how do I know that satsang will win? Eventually satsang will prevail because the enemy does not exist. The ego never existed. It was just a dream, it was a daydream, it was imagination.

So all our concepts; doer-ship, humility, arrogance; all the concepts we have about our self will be washed away in satsang. We will finally keep the phone down on this wrong number called the mind.

And we will not feel a lack of anything all. Nothing will be missing. All is in service to you and nothing is in service to your mind. As long as you live the life of the mind then you will always face resistance, you will face sorrow, you will face grief; all that we call suffering. When you stop living the life of this mind, when you stop catering to the needs of this ego, then no trouble can last.

Yes it can be tricky, yes it can be subtle, yes it knows all the buttons that can be pushed, but you are the Supreme Intelligence, and if you truly want freedom then the trickster’s game is over now.

So if you’re willing to explode everything…, explode everything for this freedom then you will realize that you are God. But the explosion must include the desire to be free; the desire even to be liberated. Even that will go away eventually because it all is a person’s desire. All there is cannot have any desires, can it? You are all that is, pretending to be a mere person, pretending to be the imagined one. That’s why we made it very simple now. I’m not even saying let go of your next thought, I’m only saying ‘Don’t believe your next thought’. That we can do. To withdraw our belief from the next thought is super-simple.

So from all the satsangs; you’ve had more than hundred online satangs now, from all the satsangs even if you’ve not heard anything…, and if you’ve never heard anything, you’ve been in a trance and nothing has been processed, just today hear these words. It is very simple: Just don’t believe your next thought. That is all. No other pointing is needed to be free from suffering.

Shanti says, “Exposing, Father. I just saw how I wanted to always explain myself so I could be understood and seen. This has been happening right up to this moment.” Very good.  “This has been happening right up to this moment.  Now it’s seen and done with.” Very good.  Giving it to you to burn.” Very good.  “No more explaining.  Love you so much for bringing the false into the light.”  Thank you, love you too. Good.

Even after the understanding, it is a tendency that some of us have to still refer to ourselves as people. And it is ok to do that conversationally, you see. It’s completely ok to do that conversationally, but it must not be done with a sense of reality.

Loney says, “Maybe I have been desiring freedom too much. Maybe I am clinging too much to be free ???”

Ultimately, all thoughts, all concepts and beliefs, including freedom, must be thrown into the fire of satsang.

[Silence]

And this desire for freedom is very auspicious initially because it burns all other desires first and then burns itself as well. So ultimately even this will go. If there’s still a person here wanting to be seen to as a liberated one, if there’s still a desire to be an enlightened person then remember that that will never happen.  No person has ever been enlightened.

So now, in not believing your next thought, is there anything that can make you suffer?

And don’t be too compassionate with your thoughts, don’t molly-coddle your thoughts too much; just let them come and go. Give them no room.

Atma says, “No more desires here, Father.” Very good.

Vivi says, “At your holy feet. Thank you.” Very welcome, my dear.

Stacy says, “Nothing.”

Just follow these simple pointings, which are not even effort actually. They’re the dropping of all effort. The mind will come and say ‘This is too difficult’ but it is nothing but a mere thought. The mind will come and say ‘I am not there yet’. The mind will come with all kinds of excuses. The mind will even now come and pretend that it doesn’t even want freedom.

Just let go of this trickster.

Atma says, “All I need I already have. I am aware of being aware.”  Yes.

Zoe says, “There are some thoughts of others that I feel guilt about dropping…”

There are no ‘others’. If there is no person here, then there is no person anywhere. It is all God, it is all Consciousness. It is one Being.

And why must there be guilt? Because there must be belief in some concept like ‘If I drop the thought then I might become irresponsible and I might stop taking care of the others’.  It is not true. God has no trouble running our life.

Louise says, “Laughing, Father. Mind has been saying lately ‘Maybe this isn’t what I actually wanted’. Lol.”

Yes, you see? That’s what it does. Just when it’s starting to become completely clear it will come with this kind of excuses. It’ll even now say ‘Freedom? No, no, not freedom. I didn’t want freedom. What? Who wants the presence of love, peace and joy all the time? Not me!’ [Laughing] It’s good that you can expose this and throw it away.

Loney says, “In one retreat, God was realized as I am, as everything; you, the street, the cars, the cats, the sun: God IS that. But then merging within awareness, even God could be seen, and then God somehow disappeared. That creates confusion, and confusion creates suffering.”

When you say ‘God was seen and God disappeared’ that is not possible because you are still here. So God must have been seen as my own Being. You see? God cannot be seen phenomenally in that way. God must have been seen as my own Being or ultimately as the pure Awareness itself. And this Being cannot go anywhere. Can you stop being now? If you can stop being now, then I’ll believe your word that God disappeared.

If this Being can leave you now, then you can say God has disappeared. But if this Being is here then this is God. No other phenomena, no other experience, no other state.

No appearance is God. All appearances come from God. You see?

Zoe says, “Laughing, laughing, laughing! So it’s ok to drop even these thoughts?” Of course. She says, “Dropped.” Yes.

Soham says, “The way you put it, Father, when you said ‘God has no trouble running “our life”. Just the one life. Without a believed ‘me’ there is no believed ‘you’. There really is only the one life, and even that is untrue.”  Very good.

Denan  says, “I thought I was suffering because of the catastrophic thoughts of illness, death, befalling myself or loved ones, now realizing it’s the thought that there is an ‘other’ that causes the suffering.” Very good. “Wow. This somehow just landed.”  Very good.

Loney says, “God didn’t really disappear, but the Being could be seen …, not as a thing, but … Can’t explain it.”

The Being can be seen. Not through the senses, but when you check ‘Can you stop being now?’ and you answer ‘no’ then you have seen the Presence of Being. This Presence of Being is perceived. And just because it is always there, we find that there is nothing special that is seen, but this Being is the birth of the entire universe; the light that gives birth to the entire universe is your own Being. You see? What comes and goes is not real. This Being is ever-present; and in the simple answering of ‘Can you stop being now?’ you see that Being is still here.

Shanti says, “Thank you so much, Father. So grateful to you and Moojiji. Satguru Ki Jai!”  Jai!

Cornelia says, “Such a beautiful satsang, Father. Thank you, so much love.” So much love to you, too.

Thank you all so very much for a beautiful satsang.

Moojiji ki Jai! [Waving and blowing a kiss]

Sangha:  Moojiji ki Jai ! Anantaji ki Jai! Thank you. Love you.

Namaste everyone, a very warm welcome to satsang today. Moojiji ki Jai.

Thank you all so very much for joining in; and if this is your first time in satsang, the way to ask questions is through the chat window. Namaste.

Lonai says, “I am addicted to satsang.” Very good.

Soham says, “Father, we are so blessed to see you nearly every day. So grateful.”

I am also blessed to see all of you nearly every day. Thank you so much. Very good.

I feel that most of you have now grasped what we are saying actually. So you have grasped what we are saying; but sometimes there’s a tendency to actually refer to yourself as a person. So, it’s okay when we’re referring to ourselves conversationally as people; conversationally we can refer to ourselves as people be actually taking on a personal perspective? That seems to be the root of the matter.

Therefore, I felt today what we could do is just check for ourselves:

‘What is it that I am believing myself to be?’

So, we can check:

‘What is it that I am referring to myself as?’

And with simple honesty and integrity, we can just do this simple checking. Without making a practice out of it, or any hard work out of it, just a simple checking in terms of: ‘What is it that I am still referring to myself as?’ So all of us can take a minute or so and then whatever answer is emerging, we can share. If we feel to share, we can share. Otherwise we can just check for ourselves: ‘What is it that I am referring to myself as?’ So, take a minute, and whenever an answer emerges, we can type it out.

[Silence]

What is it that we are still continuing to refer to as ourself, in spite of so much clarity that I feel has emerged for most of you? And with integrity and honesty, you can answer. And some of you have answered, so let’s start at the beginning.

Cornelia says, “Very often I take it personally; that means I’m still referring to myself as a person.”  Okay.

Then Clare says, “I noticed this morning that I’m still listening to the dull whispers of the identity.”   … which means the same thing, ‘I’m still listening to the person’s voice’.

Ajnani says, “Nothing.”  Very good.

Labode says, “A fearful Being.” Okay.

Prema says, “A spiritual seeker.”  …which again is a personal identity.

Lonai says, “It differs. Sometimes as a person, sometimes as the Absolute Seeing where everything arises inside Me.”  Very good.

Zoe says, “I often refer to myself as a person. I often believe myself to be a person. And I often take personal problems seriously.”  Yes.

So, to refer to ourselves as a person is not a problem; in the sense where conversationally we do it. But we actually refer to ourselves as a person then that is the root of all problems. We’ll look at this some more.  It’s good.

Soham says, “It feels like Consciousness, Father.”  Yes.

Ginger says, “Spiritual seeker. I notice that it is a deeply-engrained habit and I still think of myself as a person.”

Wiebke says, “As a Being of fear and someone who makes a lot of things wrong.”

So, we’ll look at this also. Very good.

Ginger says, “Being a seeker is painful; if it’s time to drop it, I will do so.”  Yes. [Smiles]

Okay, Stacy says, “I don’t know. Still often as a seeker.”  Very good.

Thank you all so much for participating in this. So, let’s look at the next step now.

For whatever your answer was, be it a person, be it Consciousness or be it the Absolute Awareness; whatever your answer was:

‘What is the evidence that you have that you are that?’

Look for the evidence of being a person, being Beingness or being Awareness…, what is the evidence that you have?

Because here, we are not relying on any words now. I’m not trying to convince you of something through words. I want you to check for yourself. So whatever your answer might have been, what is the evidence that you have?

And evidence is not a thought. So I don’t want a thought as an answer. I want what you’ve actually seen, actually experienced as evidence that this is true. Understand? So what we are saying is:

‘What is the evidence you have for whatever your answer was?’

So some of you said ‘I still believe I’m a person’. Some of you said ‘I believe I am Consciousness, Beingness’. And some of you said ‘I am the pure Seeing itself’. So just check, and show me what evidence you have for any of these; in your own seeing, without reliance on any thoughts.

Denan says, “Technical difficulties, so missed the question; but so glad to be here.”  So, we just repeated the question; hopefully you heard it this time. Charles also says, “Technical difficulties here, too. Missed the question.” We, repeated. Hope you’re able to hear now and participate.

So, the question was: ‘What are we still referring to ourself as?’ …, in actuality; not just conversationally, but in actuality. Because all of you have now had, I feel, a real seeing of your true Self. But many of the questions I get still seem to be coming from this person identity. So we will get to the bottom of this today.

So first, we said: ‘What are we still referring to ourself as?’ …, seriously; not just in conversation but in actuality. And then: ‘Whatever the answer was, can we see some evidence of that?’

So, all of us can take a couple of minutes to just explore this, contemplate this. And as always, I am less interested in the content of the answer. I am more interested in the actual looking for your own-self.

We’ll take another minute or so to get some more answers. [Silence] Okay.

Lonai says, “No evidence for being a person. It is a habit; a habit happening by itself.”

Yes, but for You also, whose habit is it? Is it a person’s habit? If there is no evidence of a person, then isn’t all of this habit also part of the appearance?

Vivi says, “Now.”

Zoe says, “It seems to me that this person acts, or doesn’t act; and that there are consequences of this action or inaction.”

How does this one, which you can find no evidence of its existence also…, how would this do any action? What are the tools the imaginary one has at its disposal to take any action whatsoever?

Ginger says, “It’s only thoughts, all being believed.”  Yes.

Ajnani says, “No evidence; only Seeing itself, Being itself.”

Zoe says, “As I sit here now, though, I am completely content. I am aware that all arises within Me. This is my experience.”

So, this ‘me’, this ‘me who is having this experience, is that a person? The evidence of this person is what we are looking for. Very good.

Cornelia says, “In almost any situation, it comes as a reaction.”  Yes.

We can say ‘it comes as a reaction’ but to say that would be giving it too much reality. You see? It’s just that the appearances move about, and it seems like a person is operating. But in no instance is there a real person. All is only a play of Consciousness itself.

Ginger says, “The seeker is a thought.”  Yes.

Stacy says, “I’ve been in satsang all day [Mooji online retreat] but just no-thing, nothing now; but the mind comes in and comments on why that is not true.”

Denan says, “I can’t find concrete evidence; only thoughts and sensations that claim ‘I’.”

Soham says, “It feels like I’m watching everything arise, but am still in the middle of what’s arising. It’s like watching it from within it. Interactions go on, but it is not personal.”

Prema says, “When I was criticized about my spiritual path, I am affected.”

Yes, but this ‘I’ that is affected…, we’re looking for this ‘I’. And we’re not looking for the symptoms. You see? We’re not looking for the symptoms which are feelings, which are thoughts. What can you tell me about this ‘I’ that is affected?

Cornelia says, “After the reaction comes a thought ‘I should not react’.”

Yes, but this is again symptoms, isn’t it? So, thoughts, another appearance; external, another appearance; emotion, another appearance. But all these appearances…, are they appearing to a person? Where is this person sitting? What does this person look like? Hmm? Very good.

Wiebke says, “I cannot find anything; just believing thoughts. But a lot of crying here without a reason somehow.”

Yes. So if this cleansing, this cleaning up is happening, let it happen. There is nothing wrong. But even this is not happening to a person.

Wiebke says, “Fear is somehow only energies.”

Ustreamer6363 says, “I say ‘Om’ is evidence as soundless vibration.”

Yes. So if you refer to yourself as pure Being, you will say ‘Om’ or the sense of ‘I Am-ness’, Beingness, Consciousness…, all this is evidence of pure Being. Namaste.

Marcel says, “There is only pure Seeing.”

Yes. Is a person saying this? Just checking…, is a person saying this? Because if it is still a person that is saying this…, that is why there is still a potential for suffering. But if it is seen that there is no person at all saying any of this even, then there is no reason for any misery now.

Zoe says, “There isn’t a person; there is only Seeing. The seeing of guilt, even the seeing of the belief of being a person, but no person as such.”  Very good.

Prema says, “Person doesn’t exist. Just witnessing the reactions.”  Very good.

So everybody with us so far? Anybody who can give me one attribute of this person? What does it look like? Where does it sit? Is there a person inside the body? Can anything at all be said about the person itself?

Clare says, “The person has substance, and my Self is empty.”

Okay, so where is the person who has substance? Can you show me this one, substance?

Ustreamer85691 says, “Who is witnessing the reaction?”

Yes, that is the next question. We’ll come to that.

Aryev says, “There is no person, but sensations and viewpoint of this person is so real.”

Yes, but let’s find out, no? So far, it’s been a presumption that if a thought is coming which refers to me as a person, that ‘You must do this. You must not do this. That person should not do this to you’ …, all these presumptions of these thoughts, no? So first thought will come that tries to convince us that we are a person. No thought is referring to us as Witnessing; no thought is referring to you as Awareness. All thoughts are saying that ‘You are a person’. You see, even when a thought is saying that ‘I am Awareness’ it is referring to the person saying that ‘I am Awareness’. The person is proclaiming now that they are Awareness. You see?

So although sensations might arise, although thoughts might arise that refer to us as a person, why do we believe them without any evidence of there existing a separate person? If we have no evidence of the existence of such a separate person then why do we believe this thought which refers to me as a person?

And this thought doesn’t only have to arise here. You see, there are many of us in satsang now who have let go of their own thoughts, but still are very interested in what others are thinking about us. But remember that it is the ‘same guy’, it is the same ego which is appearing in the form of this needy, this desperate, this grasping energy; in the form of thoughts.

Ustreamer63 says, “It’s like thick energy.”

Yes. But there is a witnessing of this thick energy. Are you in the thick energy, or are you the Witnessing of it?

Prema says, “Tears. Such a relief.” Very good.

You see, when the person idea is let go of, when the person dream is let go of, when the person imagination is let go of then there is this relief; because we have been carrying an imaginary person on our backs. We can say it like that, the weight of an imaginary person on our backs.

Clare says, “I only exist as an imaginary person when my attention follows the thoughts. A sticky old habit.”

See? So in this also, there is something to check. ‘I only exist’ you say ‘as an imaginary person’… Then if you were to exist, then it is not imagination, you see? To say that it is imaginary means that you can never be that. So we can say at best that I only dream, or I only imagine myself to be this person when I am following thought. You never exist as a person. You can never become a person.

Ajnani says, “There was a seeker identity but here in your Presence, it dropped.”  Yes.  “Expectations gone. What a relief. Gratitude.”  So beautiful. Very good.

This is the entire point of satsang actually. This is the meaning of realization, this is the meaning of freedom.

Aryev says, “I am able to let go of thoughts now, but bodily sensations are still very strong. The other day, I had a toothache. It was very convincing.”  Yes. I understand.

See, but even when pain is there, if pain is there, also it is not a problem. I know some of you will find this shocking when I say this. So pain arises; and it can be there in anybody. In any body, there will be some pain. Pain will be there. But when we start believing the interpretation of it, it is again believing a thought about it, that ‘This pain I am not able to let go of’. You see? Especially when we become spiritual, we say that pain should not happen in the body also. It’s like we jokingly say that ‘Just because you’re spiritual doesn’t mean that your car can’t break down’. So, this body is an instrument like the car. And it can have…, if it is not well maintained, and there are other issues…, then it can have problems. You see? In fact, will have problems. But only if we believe our interpretations about this pain, if we resist it by accepting our thoughts about it, is pain a problem. You see?

So, if there’s a toothache, I’m not saying that don’t take some medicine or don’t go to a dentist, but don’t say that ‘This pain is mine’. If you say ‘This pain is mine’ then show me this ‘me’ whose pain it is. At best what we can say is that the pain exists, and the pain is being Witnessed; and there are strong feelings of discomfort or agony which are also appearing along with it. But is there still a ‘me’ to which they are appearing? This ‘me’ that we are believing ourself to be, where is this one?

Soham says, “When I just sit, it’s evident that everything is arising in me, and this pure ‘I’ is aware of what arises and doesn’t change. The rest of the time, it feels more like I’m watching it while being within it, because the seeing feels like it is from the specific point.”

You don’t have to aim to get a particular perspective. You don’t have to try to see that everything is arising within you. You see, because in this trying itself, you will invent the person. Being is not trying to do anything at all. Being is only projecting an image which could be of a character which is trying. You see what I’m saying?

Clare says, “Thank you for this contemplation.”  You’re very welcome.

Soham says, “Started to see that the Seeing doesn’t change, but the perspective seems to.”  Exactly what I am saying.  “But just realized that it doesn’t. That too is an illusion of feeling like the Seeing is body-centric.”   Very good insight; very good.

Lonai says, “Who is maintaining the body???  Here it is experienced that everything is unfolding by itself; until the idea of the person arrives and claims doership.”

‘Who is maintaining the body?’  [Laughs] Can you give me the list of options now? So, you say ‘Who is maintaining the body?’ then first step is What are the options? We already said the person does not exist. We cannot find any evidence. Then who else could it be? It’s a simple as that, you see? What are the options? Who could it be?

Stacy says, “The person doesn’t exist and this sense of ‘me’ has dissolved more and more in your Presence, but it still seems to be hanging on to the false sometimes.”

Yes. The thoughts will continue and they will keep saying only what is false. It will keep referring to you from a separate…, from an egoistic perspective. So don’t expect that the thoughts will stop or the thought-flow will stop. It might seem to reduce; but whether it is a lot or whether there is no thought-flow makes no difference to You in reality. And as your identities are dropped with the withdrawal of belief in any of these thoughts you will find that they will not even seem loud now. So what used to seem like this big wrestler who could throw us around…, you know.., if a thought is saying ‘You’re a horrible person’ we have grief; if a thought is saying ‘You’re a great person’ we feel pride. You see? So we were swaying to the tunes of this wrestler; then becomes like a tiny mosquito who is twittering for your attention that can be easily flicked away.

Cornelia says, “I struggled so many years to build and believe in this person, and now I cannot get rid of it.”

[Laughs] Where is it? Where is it? You say ‘I built up this person and now I cannot get rid of it’ so can you show me where it is? You have never built it up, you cannot build it up; you can only pretend. You see? So when you say ‘I cannot get rid of it’ it means that these thoughts will still come which refer to you as a person, but actually these thoughts do not matter. But actually this person which you say you cannot get rid of; this one doesn’t exist.

Stacy says, “May whatever I’m holding on to that is false be let go of.”

Yes. This is very good, and in ‘the right now’ you are free from whatever was held on to. In ‘the right now’ everything is gone. And very simply, when a thought will come and try to convince you about anything at all, you just don’t give it your belief.

Lonai says, “I don’t know anymore. Life unfolds. It is sensed Awareness is the absolute Source but it is doing nothing.”

Yes, so Awareness is doing nothing, so that is one option. What is the other option? Person does not exist; Awareness is just Witnessing; then what is left?

Stacy says, “Thought aren’t actually that loud now. They still like to refer to me as a person.”  They always will…  “Yet, I can see more and more when you say ‘It takes effort to pick up a thought’.”  Good. Very good.

You will see this, and this will be the experience for all of you …, that it is not effort to let go of thought. Although initially it might seem that way because we are habituated to picking it up, it might seem that way; but actually it is more effort to actually pick up any thought. It’s very good.

Ginger says, “Sri Moojiji maintains this body.”  Yes.

Cornelia says, “Oh, this person was only my imagination.”

Exactly. You see? Only ever in imagination. It does not even exist at a phenomenal level. This table exists at a phenomenal level, this computer exists at a phenomenal level, this phone exists at a phenomenal level…, show me the person phenomenally. You can say the body exists at a phenomenal level, but our problems in relationships, our problems with money, our problems with our bosses…, these are not problems of the body. The body is seen to be just an instrument. But where is this person who claims ownership of even this body?

Kapil says, “The person here is often saying ‘Online satsang is not enough. You need to be in Ananta’s physical Presence. Exposing it here, and letting go of this thought as well.”

Just let go, and you might find that automatically you might find yourself in the physical Presence also; or you might not. But there is no concern about it without believing the thought. You see?

So when we say that it is a non-doing, it doesn’t mean that you have to ‘do’ what is the opposite of the thought. You see, many take it from that perspective. So if a thought is saying that ‘I must go left’ we say ‘No, no, now I am spiritual; if the thought is saying I will go left, then I will go right’. It is not like that. We have to be neutral and just watch how life is just unfolding on its own. Very good.

Cornelia says, “Thank you, beloved Father.”  Very welcome.

Zoe says, “Let all residual belief in anything false be burned in this holy fire.”  Very good. Amen to that.

Wiebke says, “What about when I know I am doing things which bring me into trouble, and cannot stop them. Can you say something about this?”

You asked me something about this and about tendencies, isn’t it? That due to some tendencies some of these activities still continue. And the answer is still the simple answer: No tendency can survive if you are letting go of the thought. Tendencies operate only through thoughts.

So, there are two ways in which we can do this; and different paths take different ways to do this.

So, one way is to look at it one tendency at a time. So, you can start by looking at lust, then you can look at greed, then you can look at anger, some other tendency, rage, fear, frustration, all these. And then for each, we can have a different practice: to get rid of lust, do this; to get rid of greed, do this; to get rid of anger, do this. All this can be defined. But you find so many people get so involved in all of these practices and it becomes circular in some sense, you see? So what happens is it starts off by wanting to get rid of lust, then you get rid of anger, you get rid of rage; then you see lust is back. See, then it becomes a game like this.

So, what we [in satsang] are doing is we are chopping off all tendencies from the root itself. Because tendencies operate through thought. Tendencies are another set of beliefs. They are a set of identities we have about ourselves. So, as we let go of our thoughts, and life is unfolding on its own without you even keeping track…, you will not keep track of how many brownies you ate anymore. All will be allowed to flow. The Self knows perfectly well how to run our life.

The Self knows perfectly well how to maintain the body. So, somebody asked earlier ‘Who is maintaining the body?’ …, it is this Being, it is this Consciousness which is the Light projecting this entire world. The same Light is projecting this body also. You see, we still give too much importance to this body. We feel that it is separate from the ‘appearance’ [the world around us]. I say ‘Everything else I see appears, but this body? No, this body must be special’. This body is as much of an appearance; you are not sitting somewhere inside this body. You see? This is also just an appearance; like the body in a dream seemed just as real as this one. Where is it now? Wasn’t it just another projection? How can it be that the whole world is a projection but this body must be special; must not be an appearance? So all of this is an appearance that is being projected in the Light of Consciousness itself, and this Light knows what it is doing.

Ustreamer53321 says, “Who is it that [inaudible] is born to, what person is?”  Yes.

So this is the same question that Lonai is also asking, that who is the one doer actually? You say that the person is not there, and you say that the witnessing is just witnessing …, then what remains? That is the question that we asked Lonai also, ‘Then what remains?’  It is this Being. In the Light of this Being, this entire Universe is projected. So it is the light of the projector which is projecting the movie. You see? But the Light is unaffected. So although it can be said to be the doer, it is not doing it as a participant in the movie. It is the Light itself which brings the movie to life. You see what I’m saying?

So what happens is, this Light of Beingness, what we call the waking state comes when this light is switched on. And the Universe wakes up. When this Light is not on, Beingness is not on, there is nothing phenomenal at all. This Light of Beingness is put on and the Universe of phenomenon wakes up. So, who is doing movie? Who is playing all the characters? It is the same Light, the same Beingness, which is doing the entire play called Leela, Maya; whatever you call it.

Cornelia says, “Why all the time I believe I am on a path?”

Yes. It is just another thought. That ‘You have got it’ or ‘You have not got it’ are both thoughts. To Awareness it doesn’t matter. Awareness has nothing to get. To Awareness there is no path. Right now, You are That! In the eternal now, You are That. Show me how you are on a path without believing a thought. Good.

Ustreamer53221 says, “Who is looking at what person is, trying to answer an invisible question?”

No, it’s a fair question. In fact, it’s a wonderful contemplation. You see?

Soham says, “When I had vows, I struggled with keeping them. Now even the thoughts rarely arise, and if they do, they are seen as what they are and just go away. No struggle anymore. Now the approach above seems almost counter-productive.”

Yes. When you have reached the top of the mountain, then what uses the map that helps you get to the top? And this mountain requires you to take no steps to get to the top, because you have always only been That. Therefore all paths ultimately bring you to the point where you are clear in the ‘now’ and you can see who you really are; not distracted by thought. That’s why I say that all thoughts ultimately are only bringing you to the point of letting go of your next thought. They’re building up your muscles so you can just let go of your next thought. You see? It can be said like that.

Aryev says, “The example of dream just struck a chord with me. Last night I had a dream. I was in it, and I was trying to escape a situation. It seemed so real.”  Exactly! “I identified with the person in the dream so much at the time. Now it is just a memory.”

Yes. And where was this dream? You see? It seemed like the whole Universe was there. In a dream it doesn’t seem like we’re running out of space, isn’t it? So if there is this ability to project this Universe in a dream and a person body in a dream, then what is the difference between dream state and waking state? There is none. Both exist in the Light of our own Consciousness. In fact, there is no way to say whether that was a dream or this is a dream. Very good.

[Aryev] “This person body could be like a dream-person body.”

Yes. But even this, you don’t have to believe. I’m not asking you to believe that the phenomenal world is an illusion. I’m saying that even if this phenomenal world is real, and that a dream world is just projection, then even in this phenomenal existence, can you show me a person? I do not want to get into the ‘illusion vs. reality’ debate, because it is never-ending. But even if this entire phenomenal existence is real; even in this, no person exists. So the person is a ‘second-level illusion’…, ‘second-level delusion’ actually. [Laughs]

Wiebke says, “Now I can see all the interpretations of all; I wasn’t aware of this.”  Very good.  “Thank you, Ananta.”  Very welcome, my dear. Very happy.

Ustreamer7180 says, “Yes, I feel what you say quite beautifully.”  Very good. Thank you.

Cornelia says, “So much love, Anantaji.”  So much love to you, too, my dear.

Stacy says, “Thank you, Father. I am here as nothing.”

Very welcome. [Silence, eyes closed]

Prema says, “Throwing out the concept of a spiritual path.”  Very good. “I am That.”

Yes, you are. Yes, I am. And therefore we are One. This is the true meaning of Oneness. This is the true meaning of Advaita. There is no separation. There is no person. All is Consciousness. All is the Absolute Awareness, the ever-present Witnessing even of Consciousness.

So even when satsang gets over, I know that many of us will have this tendency to say ‘Okay, Satsang is over now. Let me get back into the real world’.  Don’t let your mind trick you like this. The Self, God, can run your life completely. Just don’t expect God to run your life based on your mind’s plan. You see, there’s this very nice joke, which is a little old but indulge me. [Laughs]  It’s like ‘What is the best way to make God laugh?’ I know that most of you know this. See, but it’s so true, because it’s got such a deep essence about it. It is ‘The best way to make God laugh is to tell him your plans’. [Laughs] God is not so unkind that he will fulfill your mind’s plans for you. God could never be so unkind that he will fulfill your mind’s plans.

Wiebke says, “Throwing the interpreter in the fire.”  Very good. You must throw it in the fire. Very good.

Shinein says, “It is felt that lately there has been more attention to experiences than the Self.”

It is the nature of attention to jump around like this. So it will jump around from here and there. So don’t expect to be in a particular state; don’t expect that attention should not leave home, because in this pushing, it will jump around even more. It is the nature of attention to do this; just don’t believe any interpretation about it. Without you believing your thought, nothing can cause any trouble for you. Your true nature will be apparent to you, completely.

So let attention go where it can. All of you can do this; we have 5 minutes left in satsang. All of you can leave you attention completely free. Sometimes I feel we have misunderstood the teaching and we try to constrict our attention either to be very strongly with the sense ‘I Am’ or be completely at home in the pure Awareness itself. But Freedom is not this constricted state.

See, many come to me with this confusion; they come with this constricted state that attention should not leave, should not waver. Just leave it completely free, and tell me where it is? Don’t resist any appearance and then tell me where it is.

It’s completely harmless. So among the two forces, attention and belief; as long as you’re not investing your belief, attention can cause no trouble.

Ustreamer61 says, “Satsang never ends. No seams. Satsang is the real world: I Am.”

Zoe says, “I trust your every word, beloved Father, and I know there is nothing to fear. Not a blade of grass will be left.”

Yes. I will not leave you with even a blade of grass. All your concepts, all your beliefs, all your tendencies…, everything will be burnt in the fire of satsang; and you will not regret it.

Zoe says, “Am letting go of every thought that attempts to control life.”  Very good.

All thoughts, if you see, are some attempt, either subtle or strong, at controlling life. So when I say ‘Am letting go of every thought that attempts to control life’ means you’re letting go of all thoughts. All thoughts are a resistance to what is. Even the thought that says ‘I am accepting what is’ is a resistance to what is, because it invents this separate entity ‘I’ which is accepting what is. You see, it’s very subtle like this. And as we speak more and more, you will realize the subtleties of this trickster.

Kapil says, “Yes, initially I was also trying too hard to keep the attention home.”

Yes, it can happen like this.

Shinein says, “Yes, there has been a doer in attention.”  Very good that you see this. “I am letting go of this now.”  Very good.

Denan says, “Yes, throwing all in to be burned in the fire.”  Very good.

Yes, in this satsang, you have to be All In. You cannot keep some chips to yourself and hide them. You see? That’s why we say: Expose everything. Just be All In.

Prema says, “I love you so much, Father.”  I love you, too.

Clare says, “Thank you for this satsang, and un-doing.” Very welcome.

Cornelia says, “I feel so blessed to be here, Father. Thank you, thank you.” Very welcome.

Zoe says, “Thank you, thank you, beloved Father. Everything that seemed so important is seen to be nothing.”  Very welcome, my dear.

Shinein says, “Thank you so much. I am All In!”  Very good!

Once you’re All In, there is no concern about winning or losing. Once you’re All In, you have already won. Very good.

Soham says, “Love you so much, Father. This Heart…”  Love you, too, my dear.

Stacy says, “So much love for you, Father. This life is yours.”  Thank you, my dear.

“All In,” Ginger says.

Marcel says, “The trickster is subtler and subtler.”

Yes, very good. So we’ll just take a minute on this point. Beingness is the Supreme Intelligence. You, Consciousness, are the Supreme Intelligence. And this trickster also gets its intelligence from you. But ultimately the Supreme Intelligence will prevail. No matter how much of the intelligence it has inherited from You, (and it seems to know all the buttons to push), ultimately You are the Supreme Intelligence. So now the trickster cannot trick You. In fact, all suffering now is seen as an opportunity to transcend the false, to transcend an identity. And in this way the Supreme Intelligence has outsmarted the trickster. Because suffering, which was meant to keep you in personhood, is now seen as an opportunity to transcend this false identity.

Wiebke says, “Thank you so much.”  Very welcome.

Ajnani says, “Thank you. So much love.”  So much love to you, too.

Vivi is also ‘All In!’ Very good.

Amrit is here. He says, “Thank you. So much love.”  To you, too.

Naomi says, “Letting go of the struggle I had to today to drop the thoughts.”

Yes, don’t make it a struggle. Just drop all resistance. You will see that they will all come and go on their own. Be completely open. There is nothing to be done. Good.

Aryev says, “Thank you for the wonderful satsang today, dear Ananta.”  Very welcome, my dear. “Namaskar.”  Namaskar.

Kapil says, “Thank you, Ananta. Please help me be All In.”   Yes. All my blessings are with you. Good.

Clare says, “Surrendering.”  Thank you.

Labode says, “Thank you for being here.”  Thank you as well, my dear. Very good.

Thank you all so very much for joining in satsang today.

Moojiji ki Jai. [Namaste]

Thank you, all of you; and all of you who are joining in silence as well, the ones who are participating in the Zmar retreat [with Mooji, online]. So much love to all of you as well. [Waves, blows a kiss]

Sangha: Moojiji ki Jai. Anantaji ki Jai. Thank you. Love you.

Namaste everyone, a very warm welcome to satsang today. Moojiji ki Jai.

Thank you all so very much for joining in. And if this is your first time in satsang, the way to ask questions is through the chat window.

Namaste. I know that some of you are in the silent retreat [Mooji, Zmar] participating online, so we won’t necessarily speak too much unless some questions come up. But if you have some questions, please feel free to ask. And the way to ask, for those of you who are here for the first time, is through the chat window. We don’t check the social stream too much, although every time I check, there seems to be a question there. Maybe we’ll just disable it from the online platform. But if you’re here, the way to ask questions is through the chat window.  [Silence].

Yes, Wiebke says, “Please say something again about doership.”  Very good.

When we say ‘doership’ what are we referring to? When we say doership, we are always referring to the idea of personal doership. Isn’t it? When we say doership, we are not talking about Consciousness doing, God’s doing. So doership can be very complicated to understand on one level, but it is the simplest thing at another level. The simplest way to understand doership is to realize that when we say doership we speak about personal doership. And in our explorations, in our contemplations, in our inquiry we have seen that no person exists here. When looked for, we cannot find the existence of this separate individual person. And that is why we like to use the word ‘person’ rather than the word ‘ego’. Because if I were to say ego, everyone says ‘No, I don’t have an ego’. When we say ‘You still consider yourself to be a person?’ then most will say ‘yes’. So this sense of being a separate person, being a person which is not part of this One Consciousness, this sense is called the ego; and this sense is pure imagination. Because this separate one, we can look all we like but nobody can find. So if this separate one cannot be found, if this person cannot be found, whose doership are we speaking about?

Namaste, Namaste everyone.

So whose doership are we speaking about? So this is the simplest way for us to understand. Are we referring to ourselves as Consciousness? Are we referring to ourselves, God, and then saying that we are doing something? That is completely acceptable. Just in the same way that the light of the projector is projecting a movie, and hence the light is the doer of the movie, in the same way Consciousness can say that ‘I am the One doer of all that happens’. But the light is untouched. It’s untouched by any doing. It is untouched by any event. You see?

So to say that doership seems relevant to me, it must be somewhere still believing that it is a separate person; otherwise who is this ‘me’ for whom doership still seems relevant? This is the root of the question. If you cut the question off the root, then all these endless debates about free will, God’s will…, all this will go away; because whose free will are we speaking about? Let’s get to the root. We’re speaking about the free will of an individual entity. But this individual entity, most of you will say, does not exist. You see? So doership is just another concept. We ascribe something which is moving in the appearance as ‘my action’ just like we used to ascribe these thoughts which were emerging from nowhere and going to nowhere as ‘my thoughts’. All actions are also just another appearance.

And then the question usually is ‘Does this mean that I can do anything at all? Does this mean that I can just lay in bed all day? Or does this mean that I can go around attacking people?’ No. It means that you as a separate entity does not exist. You have never done anything at all; neither will you be able to. Because you do not exist. This one that claims separation just does not exist.

So I hope it’s a little clearer now. Wiebke, you can say some more if there’s something left in this question still.

Wiebke says, “I had glimpses that there is no one doing something here, but mostly there is a feeling that I did something. But when I type this now, seeing is here that it is not true somehow.”  Yes.

And when this feeling comes that ‘I did something’ then find out ‘Who is this ‘I’?’ Introduce this ‘I’ to your own Self. Who is this one?

[Silence].

So if we cannot even find this ‘I’ then how can we say that this ‘I’ did something? If this ‘I’ itself is not to be found, what actions can it take?

[Silence].

Wiebke says, “Thank you. That’s what I needed to hear. Laughing here.”  Yes. [Smiles].

It’s such a joke, isn’t it? That we have been enamored with this idea of personhood is a complete joke. And I would be laughing if it wasn’t the cause of so much seeming-suffering in so many lives. But it is a joke.

[Silence]. Very good.

So one of the contemplations that we were doing, some of us, was: ‘What is identity?’ What is identity? Identity is when we start attaching attributes to pure Consciousness. To this pure sense ‘I Am’ we start attaching attributes that becomes identity. So when this pure Being is there, this pure Being is the root entity, the Immaculate Conception, Consciousness itself, the Light of the Universe.

But the minute we use the power of our belief to attach attributes to this pure Consciousness like ‘I am a person. I am a man. I am a good person. I am a student. I am a teacher’…, all these attributes which are attached to the pure sense ‘I Am’ which is untouched by any of these attributes actually; this is the process of giving birth to identity. And this identity is the cause of all suffering. Based on what concepts and beliefs we have picked up, this identity then becomes the cause of all suffering. We are hurt only when our own thoughts attack an identity which we have believed about ourself.

Wiebke says, “I want to put the thought in the satsang fire that ‘I have the feeling that I am not truly wanting freedom’. Let all this burn here.”

All Beings want to come home. All Beings actually never have left home. So freedom actually in not an option for you; it is your own true nature. And it is only the mind that will speak these kind of things; that you don’t want freedom so much, others want freedom much more. All of this is just noise from the mind. And I’m very happy that you’re burning it; you’re able to expose it and burn it in the fire of satsang. It is very good.

So without attaching attributes to the pure sense ‘I Am’ no suffering can come. And when suffering comes, we look at that also as an opportunity; an opportunity to expose which identity is still being held onto. And all identities, all attaching of false attributes to the pure sense ‘I Am’ will eventually lead to this suffering so that you can wake up from your delusion. Therefore don’t try to resist the suffering. Look at what it is trying to tell you.

[Silence].

Wiebke says, “Laughing, crying, laughing. Thank you so much.”   You’re very welcome. So much love.

[Silence].

Just let go of your next thought. No suffering will touch you.

Clare said, “Yesterday and through the night and this morning, the idea of who I am has been very strong; pulling and pushing, shame, blame, hatred, self-loathing, responsibility, helpfulness, holding myself ransom, neediness all mixed together. I lay them all at your feet, and this ‘holding onto’ energy, too.”

Yes. But you have seen that you are only the Awareness of all of this. In all these appearances, good or bad, you are just the pure Witnessing of all that is appearing. So this Witnessing is ever-untouched by any of this. We don’t even to need to constantly monitor then. Just it’s coming and going, it’s coming and going…., different thing, different appearances, just coming and going. I am untouched. I am unmoved. And I am unconcerned by any of this. Isn’t it?

So all this can come and go, but does any of it actually touch the real You? And in this way you will see that there is no interest in even remembering or categorizing or even exposing ultimately. All of it is just coming and going. And it’s all the same, just another appearance. And this will bring you back to the present moment, to the eternal Now. And with this, there is no trouble with complete openness. Resistance means ego. And in openness, there can be no ego.

Ginger says, “I cannot even imagine an ego.”  Yes.

[Silence].

You can see this now that ‘I can’t even imagine an ego’ because you have seen that it is such a joke. [Smiles].

[Silence].

Soham says, “Father, through Grace a Boddhisatva appeared to help me be able to attend Mooji’s silent retreat.”  Very good! Very beautiful. “So grateful for this. So much love.”  Yes. This is very, very good. Good.

Ginger says, “It is my power that makes the seeming-ego seems powerful.”  Yes. “I imagined imagination. I am the Source.”  Very good.

Ustreamer8496 says, “Then what does the term ‘mind’ mean?”  Yes.

The term ‘mind’ very simply means only a bundle of these energies called thoughts and similar energy constructs like memory, imagination; and ultimately you can also bundle the energy constructs of  emotions. So, when there is a thought or an imagination or a memory then we say that ‘the mind is here’. And when these energies are not there, and it is still, then it is called the ‘no-mind state’.

But you are the one that can say that there is mind or there is no-mind. So therefore there is something prior to the mind which can report on mind or no-mind. This witness is who? This perceiver…, can this perceiver be perceived? That is a beautiful inquiry.

So, all that is appearing, the external appearance, mind, emotions, all of these things; there is a perceiving of all of this. But can a perceiver be perceived?

[Silence].

Stacy says, “Just being in your Presence is enough.”

And this Presence that you speak of is the Presence of the Satguru in your own Heart, isn’t it? When you feel my Presence, you’re actually feeling the Presence of the true Master in your own Heart.

Marcel says, “All these beautiful feelings of Joy and Love are here with such power, but something notices this, too.”

Yes! Exactly! Therefore you are not bound by any state. You see? Love and Joy are here to serve you; they are here to serve your pure Presence. They are ever in service to you. We are not to serve them. We are not to chase them. When there is no desire even for Love and Joy then it is seen that they are always in service to us. Now we are unconcerned with any state which could be arising. If Joy is here, that’s okay. If grief is here, that’s also okay. All these states will come and go, but You will not come and go. So this noticing, this Witnessing, this Awareness…, this is what You are.

[Silence].

Wiebke says, “Again, this is my first satsang with you. So grateful.”  Very beautiful. Very good.

[Silence].

So much Peace, so much Love, so much Joy is here. And it’s all for you. [Silence].

It is only our belief in these energies called thoughts; it is only this. Only our belief in our energy patterns which we call thoughts which is the cause of all misery, all suffering. When we let go of our thoughts, then we see that freedom is our true nature. Nothing has ever been a problem.

AmritGaurav is here. He says, “I can feel your strong Presence. So much love, Anantaji.” So much love to you, too. Very good.

It’s that simple, you see? You cannot suffer without believing a thought. [Silence].

The inquiry ‘Who am I?’ is like the bridge which takes you from the false to the Truth. See? The inquiry is like the bridge which takes you from the false to the Truth. And once you have reached the place which you never left, then there is no need for the bridge also.

That’s why Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi said that all that is spoken in satsang also is like the thorn we use to remove the other thorns which are embedded in our finger. And then, once all these thorns have been removed, then even the concepts in satsang can be thrown away. But don’t throw away the thorn of inquiry prematurely.

[Silence].

Yes, Stacy says, “So much Peace, but I surrender even this Peace to you.”

The false diminishes when it is let go of. The false diminished when it is let go of. But the Truth does not change at all. It is ever-present and continuous. So, what is auspicious does not need to be held onto; and yet it does not go anywhere. The Truth needs no crutches of your attention and belief also. You see?

Ginger says, “Whatever there is still to see, I say ‘Yes’ to it.”  Very good. “This life is yours. Only for you.”  Very beautiful.

And how do we say ‘Yes’ to it? We are completely open to all that is appearing, and all that is going away. We’re not resisting, and we’re not holding something tight. Our hands are completely open now. We’re not grasping on to anything at all. And when our hands are completely open like this, then it is God that is holding our hand. It is the Satguru that is holding our hand. And then we are One.

[Silence].

Wiebke says, “This Seeing / Being here needs some very subtle effort to realize. Can you say something about this?”  Yes.

You see, it is actually the letting go of effort. The effort has been in believing our thoughts. You see, a thought will come, and then our attention goes to it, and then we give it our belief; we make it ‘mine’. So there is effort in this. There is work required to create an identity. But now…, for many years this had become a habit. To do this effort had become a habit. And then when it is said: ‘Just let go’…, and the thought will come and the habit is to latch onto it. Initially it can seem like effort to let it go. The dropping of effort can seem like effort.

It’s like when we were younger, and we had exams in school. We got so used to studying that by the end of the exam, it seemed like there was something missing. There was an effort to not pick up the books to study. So this effort can seem like this. And if it seems like effort, it is completely fine. But in this effort, the feeling like it is an effort will go, and you will see that it is a natural state of Being; unassociated natural state of Being. And this natural state of Being is what is called Freedom.

So it’s okay if it seems like a little bit of effort. Just keep letting go of your next thought and you will see that that becomes a natural state. You see, here what will happen is if a thought comes, and it feels like it has to be picked up, so much belief has to go to it, attention has to go to something; it all seems like needless hard work. But momentarily it can come. Something can come, and some identity which had been nourished in the past, then the thought can get picked up; but it doesn’t last. It’s only momentary, because very quickly it is seen that a thought has been picked up or a belief has been picked up, and it seems too heavy, too fast. You know? It becomes heavy very fast. Because we’re not used to carrying this load of thoughts now. When we pick up a thought, something seems very closed, very quickly. And this realization comes that one belief has been picked up; and in this realization, this belief is dropped.

So, yes, it’s okay to say that it seems like a subtle effort. But you will realize that it is the letting go of effort actually. Very good.

[Silence]. [Gazes lovingly into the camera, smiles].

It’s so beautiful. It seems like the silence of the Zmar retreat is percolating in these satsangs as well.

Wiebke says, “Oh, yes.”  Very good.

[Silence].

Wiebke says, “Here is this strong feeling that no question can disturb this. So beautiful.”  Yes.

This cannot be disturbed. Even in the seeming-disturbances, this Awareness is left untouched, undisturbed, unconcerned. Very good.

Clare says, “Your words to let go of all effort has just released everything I was holding onto.” Very good. “…and I’m just laughing.”  Yes. “I was holding onto all kinds of efforting that I need to give all this mental stuff away or it needs to be transformed, etc.”

Nothing needs to be done. In the Now, You are Free. We don’t need to make a journey out of this. We don’t need to walk on any paths. You are already home. That’s why we said ‘We have never left the destination’. You see? We have never left the destination.

She says, “Thank you so much.”  Thank you, my dear. Very good. Good. Very good.

Dee says, “Thank you, beloved Anantaji. So much love.” Thank you too, my dear. Good.

Thank you all so very much for this beautiful satsang.

Moojiji ki Jai! [Namaste] [Silence]. [Blows kiss and waves].

Ustreamer12351 says, “Don’t go.”  [Big smile].

Not going anywhere. Always in your Heart. Oh, it’s Amrita.

So much love, so much love. Hope all of you are having a beautiful retreat. And also all of you who are not logging on due to the retreat, hope you are also having a beautiful retreat. [Big smile]. Very good. [Blows kiss and waves].

Sangha: Moojiji ki Jai !  Anantaji ki Jai ! Thank you. Love you.

Namaste everyone, a very warm welcome to satsang today. Moojiji ki Jai.

Thank you all so very much for joining in; and if this is your first time in satsang, the way to ask questions is through the chat window. Namaste, Namaste. Welcome. So, what shall we speak about today?

Soham says, “Good morning, Father. Hope you got enough rest.”  Yes. I got some sleep; maybe not enough. [Laughs]

So is there something you would like to speak about? Let’s have something which has some fire in it. Let’s have a Freedom question. As my Master said ‘Let’s ask a risky question’.

Kapil says, “The person urge to <censored> get it.”  Want to tell us what the word was?

Okay, so while we wait for the word to come, let me get the essence of the question. The person always wants something, isn’t it? The ego always wants something. Most thoughts are pointing to a need. So this is the life of a person; constantly wanting something and not wanting to lose something. So it could be money, it could be relationships, it could be any possession; the person is always wanting something.

So, how do we know when something is coming from the ‘person’ or how do we know when something is coming from the ego, is to see whether there is a sense of grasping about it; whether there is a sense of need in what is being expressed. And the instant we sense this need, we know that it is coming from the ego. So, all these things the person wants; the person wants money, the person wants relationships…, and it is saying that ‘If I were just to get a little more of something, then I would be happy. If I would get the perfect partner, then I would be happy. If I were to get a million dollars in the bank, then I would be happy. If I would get this fancy car, then I would be happy’.

You see? But it is never happy no matter what it gets. It is always saying ‘Almost there. Just about; just a little more’. And it is also saying ‘I hope I don’t lose this’. So in getting something also there is a fear that arises that ‘I hope now I don’t lose it’. So all of this, the person wants.

In the same way, when the person feels that ‘None of this is working’ and says ‘Okay, I will be your ally and we will go to Freedom together. Let’s get Freedom. I heard that that works’. So the quest for Freedom or the desire for Freedom also starts off as a personal desire. And this one desire we can call ‘the auspicious desire’. So we can say that it starts off…, even the search for Freedom starts off as a personal need for happiness or peace. And this personal desire then burns all personal desires quickly. If it is true, then quickly it will see that none of the other desires are helping, so it burns all of them. And then only this seeker entity, seeker identity remains. You see?

So for many of us, for many years we’ve been living our lives leading the life of being this seeker identity. But it is only in this desire for Freedom that this desire itself will get burned also ultimately. Because it must be seen…, if there is integrity in the search, if there is honesty in the search, it will be seen that ‘I am not a person’. So then when a personal identity is also vanishing, then a personal desire also, obviously, cannot remain.

So, in this vanishing stage, it seems like the ‘person’ is still trying to get some credit; and say ‘I’ve got Freedom now’. See, we got there. It wants you to celebrate along with the mind. The mind wants you to celebrate, or the mind is running to make proclamations, and the mind is running to make disappointments and create all the needless drama around Freedom also. You see? Whenever you sense some drama, you can sense this is coming from the mind.

So the mind is very quick to proclaim ‘I am Free’ and the mind is also very quick to get disappointed that ‘Because this arose, some anger arose or some guilt arose or something arose, hence I must not be Free’. It’s very quick to make judgments. What are these judgments about? It is all about the ‘imaginary one’.

So when the mind is saying that ‘There is an urge to understand it quickly’…, whose urge is it? You see? It is nobody’s. This person whose urge it is, is non-existent. As Beingness, as Consciousness, you are already Free; you were never bound. And the Witnessing, the Awareness, is far from these concepts of bondage and freedom. So when the mind is saying ‘You must get it quickly’ or ‘I must get it quickly’ just remember that it is a ‘wrong number’. Just ask ‘Who is speaking to who?’ Why would we need a voice to communicate with ourself?  You see?

So the pointing is simple, even in this case: Just let it go. Don’t attribute any sense of specialness to this. You see?

Then Kapil says, “Person urge to understand what is discussed in satsang also.” Yes.

Because it is now pretending to be your ally. It’s pretending to be your ally and say ‘We can do this together’. It is not true. The truth does not need the crutches of any thought. All the concepts which are shared in satsang are just to uproot this ego conditioning.

See, it’s like you had a house and you gave it to a bad tenant. See, this happens in India quite often, so at least some of you will understand this. You had a house, and you gave it to a bad tenant who is not paying you any rent. He is only causing more and more trouble, and more and more misery. But this tenant had convinced you that it is your best friend; closer than your best friend. And then a guide comes along and he says ‘Why do you let this tenant stay in your house?’ And then the tenant itself will come and give you advice on whether you should listen to the guide or not.

Just throw this bad tenant out. ‘Fire the interpreter’. Put down the ‘wrong number’. All these pointings mean the same thing: Let go of your next thought. All the teaching is the same actually.

Namaste, Namaste. Loney says, “The person doesn’t exist. So all this desire must rise from Consciousness.”  Yes.

All arises from Consciousness itself, because Consciousness is all there is. And to see that this is the truth from the perspective of Consciousness can cause no trouble whatsoever. Then it is seen that some energetic force of a desire could come but there is no ‘me’ to which it comes. There is no individual to which it appears. This ‘me’…, to be able to say ‘This is my desire’ …, this individual ‘me’ you cannot show me, isn’t it? So a desire appears, which is nothing but an energy packet, then you say ‘Whose desire is this?’

So even if something has been nourished into becoming a desire…, you see how it gets nourished? All starts off as a thought. A thought should come that ‘I should move to a bigger house’ or ‘I should have a better partner in life; I should have someone who understands me’ or ‘I should get a different teacher’. And if they go…, even if attention goes to them, but we don’t give our belief…, they just go. But we minute we give it our personal identification, we say ‘It is my thought, it applies to me’ then we have invented this me and assigned another attribute to this ‘me’. And this ‘me’ is nothing but a bundle of these attributes. That’s what we say; that the person is nothing but the sum total of all our beliefs. So we add one more belief to this, and say ‘I must have a bigger house’. So with this belief it becomes a desire.

You see, it is the same thing; a desire and an aversion is both a believed thought. So it could be that ‘I don’t want a bigger house’. So that becomes an aversion. It is nothing but the same as a desire. You see?

So even if all our thoughts were to be believed, and all our desires and aversions are there, if you were to just investigate now that ‘Whose desire is this? Is there a person here?’ So is it the body’s desire to have a bigger house? The body is not saying anything at all. Then whose desire is it to have a bigger house? Is it Consciousness desiring to have a bigger house? It is only this play of Consciousness being a person.

So if you’re tired of this play, we can let go of the person idea. But if you’re not tired of the play, we can play for many, many lifetimes more. We can meet 20 years later also; and then maybe we have a hologram satsang instead of this wonderful technology that we have. [Laughs] Time means nothing to You actually. So you’re free to play as long as you like. But if you’re tired of this game, Freedom is available right here, right now.

Kapil says, “Yes. The person wants to announce now: I am Free! Exposing this here.”

Yes. Very good that you’re able to expose this. Isn’t it? This is what I’ve been saying, that: You are Free, that You have always been Free. But I am not talking to this one. It means nothing; for the imagined one to say that it is free is another statement which is referring to nothing itself. You see? So to be Free means to say that ‘I have always ever been this’ and that ‘There is nothing special in this; we are all this One Being, and we are all this One Seeing’.

But if it is coming from the sense of ‘There is an individual entity now which is free and the rest of you are still suffering’ then that is again coming from the ‘person’.

Loney says, “I am so fed up with the play, but I cannot let go of the person, so I am stuck. I try and try and try to let go of the next thought and it doesn’t work.”

So, first you come here now.

Be completely here now.

Just be here.

All that is arising, let it arise.

Don’t try to do anything at all.

Just give up.

You say you’re fed up?

Just give up.

Completely give up.

Don’t try to understand anything;

No knowledge is being spoken here.

Just you give up.

[Silence]

Can you show me now the person?

This one that you cannot let go of,

Can you show me right now where it is?

Don’t refer to the past, don’t project into the future;

Can you show me the person?

Where is it?

Is there someone sitting inside your head?

[Silence]

So it is the person itself that is saying ‘I am so fed up with the play, but I cannot let go of the person’. Whose voice is this one?

And Loney says, “No, it isn’t here to be shown.”

It is never here. It is only imagined. Imagination means ‘It is never here’. Therefore we should stop saying that the person is a problem, because it is not. Something that is never here is not really a problem. All that is claiming that it is a problem is still this ego voice or the person voice. Person is only this imagined entity. Imagination itself means that you cannot make it real. It has never been a person.

She says, “The idea, illusion, is the problem.”

No. Who is the one that is saying the illusion is a problem? Who is it a problem for? Is Consciousness saying illusion is a problem? How is Being touched by all these appearances?

You say, “I know I am hunted by a ghost. It still feels like the hunt.”

So you drop all the hunting now. Drop it all. Just be still. Let all that has to arise arise. Let it all be my problem now. Nothing is happening to You. Nothing at all has ever happened to You.

I feel that ultimately this question must be: Will you be happy without the hunt? Or has the seeking itself become such a strong part of you that there is deep attachment to it?

Sometimes the seeking itself becomes our primary identity. And everything else we can let go of, but this seeker we will not drop. There is no trouble; there is never a person. Don’t believe any thought about it. Don’t even believe that ‘I try and try and try to let go of my thought’. No. Just let go of your next thought. There is nothing to be done. No trying is required. Nothing is required to be done. To let go of thought is not effort. To pick up thought is effort. Very good.

Louise says, “Father, this thought is sticky: The imagined has no control over Consciousness playing as the imagined; it can only suffer the illusion. When feeling myself as this illusion, it feels hopeless.”

No. You can never be this ‘imagined’. You see, the imagined does not exist; it cannot even suffer. It is Consciousness itself playing the game of suffering. You see? The Light which projects the movie cannot suffer; but the Light can project suffering. You see? You have to understand this about Consciousness, that you are this Light which is projecting all this suffering. In that way, we say that Consciousness is making all this suffering. But the Light itself, is it suffering from what the movie is conveying?

So the simple question for you now is: Can you stop being now? Forget about everything. Can you stop being now? And all of you can answer this. Can you stop being now? Turn off the Being. Can you do it? Who has been able to do it? Who has not been able to do it.

Stacy says, “No.”

Zoe says, “I cannot turn off Being.”

So, this Being, this Being that you cannot turn off, is it suffering from anything at all? What is this being suffering from? Can you tell me? Can this Being suffer from anything at all?

So I don’t say ‘Go and find your Being’ because I know your mind will make it a task and it will be very frustrating. I say ‘Turn off your Being. Stop being now’. This which you cannot stop, it is Consciousness, it is Being, it is Atma. This is the Self that you’ve been looking for. And the Absolute is Witnessing even this.

Loney says, “I am this Light projecting all this suffering.” Yes. “Something touched the Heart with this.”

Yes. The Light is not suffering; this Being is not suffering. It is the Light in which the movie of this whole Universe is played. The Light does not suffer.

Ramaya says, “Will we always be in this phase of realization?”

What does it mean ‘this phase of realization’? You will always be this Free Being. You are always Free.

Ramaya says, “No, we cannot stop this Being.”

Yes. So this Being which cannot be stopped, did you start? Did you start this Being?

Clare says, “It is not suffering.”  Yes.

Zoe says, “This Being cannot suffer because it is open to everything.”

Yes! Nothing is resisted. Very good.

Ramaya says, “Suffering from delusions.”

Cannot suffer from a delusion without your belief in a thought.

So maybe we do a quick recap of what we are saying:

So the first thing, the first question that most seekers will ask is: ‘How do I get rid of my suffering?’ Even all the Sages started with this question; the Buddha started with this question. ‘How does one get free from suffering?’ And it sounds like a monumental problem, doesn’t it? But it is not.

Simple pointing to end your suffering, which is: Let go of your next thought; and don’t believe any thoughts about this.

I am telling you that with this simple pointing all your suffering is over: Just let go of your next thought. So, this is the first question.

What is the second question? Typically…, ‘Okay, suffering is gone now, but now I want to experience God. I want to see God. Can you show me God?’ Isn’t it?

And in response to this question also, there is a simple pointing: Can you stop being now?

This Being which cannot be stopped is Consciousness, is God, is Atma.

And for most seekers, this is enough.

But some of you might say: ‘But I want to know the Absolute Self, the Ultimate’. You sense that there is something prior to even this Consciousness, and you want to see that Absolute.

And for that also, we have the simplest pointing, which is: Are you Aware now?

In answering this question, no phenomena is seen. You don’t need to look at an object to confirm this: It is Awareness itself which is aware of Awareness.

And with this, it is Game Over !  In this, it is Game Over.

[Silence]

Loney says, “Being doesn’t suffer, yes.”

Ramaya says, “No, I did not start. No control on starts or stops.”  Yes, exactly.

The entire Universe is a projection of this Being, which is ever-present, which you cannot start or stop. And ultimately You are the Awareness even of this Being, the One that sees even this, the Presence of Being. The One that sees even the Presence of Being is what You are.

This pure Awareness You are. From this place, can you show me a problem? Can you show me a delusion? Can you show me any suffering? …as the One who is the witness even of Being.

Ustreamer3328 says, “It seems like I am moving about in life as a body, moving through the Seeingness that sees beyond physical objects and sees all objects as energies; and ‘I am’ is not ‘I am’ …, somehow, seeingness; and I feel simply wonderful beyond sensations. Hahaha. Love.”

[Reads again]. Very good. The witnessing of all of this, the Awareness of all of this is what You are. Very good.

Clare says, “I just feel to offer up all subtle arisings of identity…, anything untrue.”

Yes. Satsang is for that. You can burn all these identities. These subtle concepts and beliefs can all be burned in the holy fire of satsang. Very good.

Clare says, “All subtle effort…”  Yes.

Naomi says, “Feeling such joy lately in Being.”  Very good.  “Tonight exposing the resistance my spouse is having of my ‘thought dropping’ and his experience that this is disconnection from his person. This is a thought that causes some emotion to arise in me. Want to leave this at your feet, beloved.”  Yes.

So your thought-dropping must also include all of the thoughts that he is having about you. You see, this seems to be a common trick of the mind. Remember that, as my Master says ‘It is all the same guy’. So when dropping of thoughts is happening here, letting go is happening here, then there might be some thoughts appearing in the form of others. So if we have stopped now bothering about our own thoughts, why bother about the thoughts of others? And in this letting go of all thoughts, all that is auspicious will arise. And auspicious doesn’t only mean ‘chocolate-flavored moments’. Auspicious only means ‘what is meant for your complete freedom will arise’. You just keep letting go; no need to pay attention to any other thoughts. Very good.

Clare says, “Maybe also even this ask-er.”  Yes. So the surrender-er is also being surrendered. Good.

Stacy says, “There is both intense burning, and silence and stillness right now.”  Yes.

This is good, because you’re starting to see. Earlier if there was some strong event or sensation or an appearance then you would only be saying that ‘This burning is happening very strongly’…, that this appearance would seem to be your entire existence. But now you see that this pure Witnessing is untouched even by this seemingly-strong burning. And you will find that You are this Awareness which is untouched by any appearance. This is Freedom. It’s a simple as that: That ‘I am not the content of any appearance. Nothing which appears is me or mine’. Nothing that appears is you or yours. All is appearing from within You.

Naomi says, “Yes. All One Being. Dropping the thoughts of others now.”  Very good. “Losing its <censored> (losing its power, maybe?). Much love.”

Marcel says, “Peace, Joy and Love.”  Yes. Same, same, my dear. Good.

[Silence, gazing lovingly into camera for a while]

You are the pure Space in which all is allowed to come and go. Nothing can make a person out of You.

Zoe says, “I still care about what others think of me. This is still held onto strongly. Surrendering this at your holy feet.”  Very good.

See, even this; it is so simple. If we keep letting go of our next thought, we cannot be concerned about another’s thought about us; because even that we are interpreting. So one of the other things, that ‘I hate you’, then even that we interpret and say ‘How could he say I hate you’. So, the trouble is not in what they are saying. The trouble, again, is that we give our belief to the interpretation. It is as simple as that.

So that’s why we say this pointing: ‘Let go of  your next thought’ is the Master Key actually. As long as you feel you need a key, ‘Let go of your next thought’ is the Master Key. Nothing, nothing else is needed.

Ajnani says, “You made it so simple. And Maharaj’s [Nisargadatta] ‘Avyakya’ and ‘vyakta’ are very clear.”

Maharaj Nisargadatta’s, ‘Avyakya’ and ‘vyakta’, the ‘nomenon’ and ‘phenomenon’. The ‘nomenon’ pure Awareness itself, and then this ‘nomenon’ itself appearing as ‘phenomenon’, yes…, the ‘vyakta’…, ‘is very clear’…and then the ‘vyaktis’ are born from the ‘vyakya’ , from the ‘phenomenon’, then these appearances of people come. That’s the way I’m reading what you’ve written.

“I am that,” you say. Yes.

Zoe says, “Thank you, Beloved.”  Thank you, too, my dear.

Stacy says, “Thank you, Father. At your feet.”  Thank you, my dear.

[Long silence, gazing into the camera]

What remains to be said now? Most of you actually now have lost the ability to suffer. Sometimes I feel that just some last remnants of the mind seeking some attention stays, but you have lost the ability to suffer.

Wiebke says, “Thank you so much, Ananta, for not getting tired every day to repeat the same…”  It is my complete joy, actually. “… in this ever-present love.”  Very good. “I am so grateful for this.”   I am also so grateful for your Presence.

Ustream3328 says, “I am Aware now sees Awareness as Awareness, sees Beingness, sees Consciousness; sees the dynamic play as Consciousness, and I am unanswerable as a dropped thought.”    So beautiful! Very beautiful, my dear. Very beautiful.

They say ‘I am Aware now sees Awareness as Awareness, sees Beingness, sees Consciousness; sees the dynamic play as Consciousness, and I am unanswerable as a dropped thought’.

How beautiful!  It is that simple. So beautiful. I like this very much.

Ishani says, “Father, all that needs to be said now is thank you, thank you, thank you infinitely.”  Thank you so much also, my dear. Good.

Naomi says, “How does this letting go apply to rules in society? Are those just thoughts that should be dropped? I am so grateful for your patience and willingness to repeat.”

Yes. We must look at this again, because this is an important point that you bring up. Because the mind is subtly saying that ‘If you let go of thought then God is running your life, and God is completely incapable of following the rules of society’. [Laughs]. This one is again the trickster voice. This entire Universe is the creation of Consciousness. And Consciousness knows exactly what is to be done in any situation without any reliance on thoughts. You will see that your mouth is moving on its own and the appropriate words are coming out; your hands and feet are moving as appropriately as required. It has always been this way, actually.

You have never been the doer. Whether you have believed a thought or not, you have never been the doer. Consciousness is always the doer. Therefore it is very important to understand that surrender is not an action. It is not a doing which you will do. Surrendering is a realization that all has always moved on its own. This ‘person’ who claimed to be the doer never existed.

So ultimately you will see that even the letting go of thoughts is pure Grace. But as long as there’s a sense that ‘I can do something’ then we can just let go of the next thought. Then when the whole personal idea is completely dissolved, then we will see that even this letting go is part of the play of Consciousness itself.

Naomi says, “Beautiful. So true. The path has already been laid. No doer here. So much clearer. Thank you. At your feet.”  Thank you, my dear.

Dee says, “So happy, Anantaji. Life has made space for me to attend the online retreat.  Very good.  “My first with Mooji.”  Oh. How wonderful! Wonderful, wonderful. So happy. “Feeling so very blessed.” Of course. This is just Grace. Hope you have a beautiful retreat. Very good. Good.

[Silent moment looking into camera]

Prema says, “Just realized Witnessing is also watching space. Thank you, Beloved.”

Yes. See, it is watching space. It is also aware of the space between thoughts. So mind and no-mind…, Awareness is aware of both. It is also aware of sleep.

Amaya says, “So grateful; my first with Mooji, too.”  Oh, I see. Wonderful! Your first with Mooji. It will be super-beautiful.  “Still want to be here for satsangs with you.”

Yes. If you feel that that energy is there to still participate in satsang here, it is the same voice which is speaking so there is no dichotomy. Yes. Hope you have a wonderful retreat. I know that many of you will be there. Very good.

Stacy says, “Only silence, Father.”  Very good. Good.

Dee says, “Thank you.”  Thank you.

[Silence, gazing lovingly into camera]

Shinein says, “Thank you so much.”

You’re all Soooo amazing. Super amazing. I am blessed to be in your Presence.

Thank you all so very much for this beautiful satsang.

Moojiji ki Jai !  [Namaste]  [Blows kiss and waves].

Sangha:  Moojiji ki Jai! Anantaji ki Jai! Thank you. Love you.

Namaste everyone, a very warm welcome to satsang today. Moojiji ki Jai.

Thank you very much, everyone, for joining in. And if this is your first time in satsang, the way to ask questions is through the chat window. Namaste. I already have some questions today so we’ll open those as well. Let’s start with Louise.

Louise said, “Father wanted to share this even though I know even sharing this is part of what I want to share. Noticing the mind keeps coming in behind the seeing and interpreting it. There is this feeling lately of just not trusting anything it has to say.”      Yes.  It is very good.      “But even this thought/feeling is the mind again. It snuck in again as the helper.”

Yes. Very good. So letting go is not a reliance on any thought. It is just the intuitive feeling to let go of these thoughts. But if a thought is coming, like Louise is saying that a thought is coming saying that ‘You must let go of all your thoughts now’, even this thought can be let go of. Truth does not rely on any thought.

“Even all this feels like the minds interpretation of what’s going on.”

Yes because the mind is now grasping at straws you see. Somewhere it knows that the battle is lost. But it still tries some moves. It’s still trying to play some moves to see if something you will bite at. But you already see that it is nothing at all.

Then Louise says, “I just hear you say drop it all. All thought. But it seems to be coming as the mind trying to help.”

Ultimately even this instruction is not required. ‘Drop it all’ is only valid till the point that you’re carrying something. Isn’t it? If you already kept down this heavy luggage, this heavy baggage has already been put down, then there is no point of the instruction ‘Drop it all’.

Feels like a big circle at the moment. Clarity and interpretation and clarity etc. round and round. There seems to be still some trust in thought, because it’s the one saying don’t trust thought.”      [Laughing] So you see that even this is a thought. Isn’t it?

So this mind as a helper and even Kapil’s question was something like this, isn’t it? That the mind is now pretending to be an ally. Almost like it is saying that ‘I surrender. Now use me as an ally’. But the mind is still not your friend. It’s only pretending. So I don’t see this ’round and round’ as you say.

The ’round and round’ can also be an appearance. Isn’t it? And all this appearance is in front of you. Is the witnessing also ’round and round’? Is Awareness also going in this roundabout way? Or is the witnessing completely still, completely at peace, unconcerned with any appearance? So are you that which is going round and round or are you that which is the witnessing of all of this no matter what the state? And this is for all of you.

You see appearances will come, appearances will go. States will come, states will go. Freedom is not about getting to a state. Enlightenment is not a state. It is what you always have been. It is only the person which asks for a particular state. Only a person says ‘I want this to stay like this’ or can say ‘I want something else to appear’. Awareness has no trouble with what is. And I can say ‘You have no trouble with what is’. You are already what you are trying to get to. You are already what you are trying to get to.

And this what you are, in response to Kapil’s question also, this what you are does not need to rely on any thought. Hm? Are you using a thought to rotate this planet around the sun? Did you use a thought to create this Universe? Is a thought required for electricity to flow? Is a thought required for your heart to beat?

Thoughts are only an interpretation of what is happening. Don’t let them fool you into believing that they are responsible for anything at all. All movement is a movement of consciousness.

So Louise, if you’re here, you can ask if there is some more in this question. In the meanwhile I’ll read Kapil’s question out.

Kapil said, “Ananta, while letting go of thoughts, what should one do with ‘innocent’ looking thoughts…”  Yes. This is excellent.  “…with innocent looking thoughts like, ‘let me pick this up’ or ‘let me do this/that’ or ‘let me post this in the fb chat’? when I question who’s saying this, nothing shows up.”     Yes. It is the imaginary one that’s why nothing shows up.

“Should I force myself to not follow what the thought is saying? At times the thought seems very simple and true like ‘I am feeling thirsty, let me have some water’.”    Very good.

So you do not have to force yourself to do anything at all. See ‘letting go’ is not a forcible way of doing the opposite of what a thought is saying. This is very good you ask this question because many can have this misconception that if a thought is saying ‘go left, my house is towards the left’, and a thought is saying ‘your house is towards the left then I must go right’. No!

This is not what we have said. What we have said is that ‘have this neutrality’; this beautiful neutrality to all that is appearing, including thoughts. And you will see that life unfolds in it’s own beautiful way just as it has to. And most of you are ready to hear this. Most of you are ready to hear this that the thought is not controlling any action actually. It is just an illusion. Actions are happening on their own just like thoughts are appearing on their own.

And many times we believe a thought and just the opposite seems to happen. We believe a thought that ‘I will go to my manager today and tell him that I quit’ And we go to our manager and the words that we find coming out of our mouth is ‘How can I help you today?’ And in saying this, I realize that it’s not a trivial thing that we say. Because many theories like the theory of Karma and many things seem to convey that it is our thought which leads to action. But all this could be true at a personal realm as long as we believe that we are this imagined entity called the person then we can believe that ‘my believing a thought has led to this action’. But once we see that it is Consciousness itself which is the only One cause; it is the only cause of all thought and all action. It is the only Creator of all thoughts and all actions and it is the only experiencer of all that is to be experienced.

So Consciousness does not need to rely on the thought that ‘I am thirsty’ to quench your thirst. But this does not mean that we try and force ourselves to do the opposite of what the thought is saying. Just be neutral and you might find that your feet are walking towards the water and your thirst is being quenched. We’re not to resist anything at all. Completely open. To say that ‘I do’ or ‘I will not do’ is both doer-ship. Just be completely neutral and let life unfold as it is doing anyway. Very good. I hope that answers, Kapil.

Namaste, namaste everyone.

Louise said, “It’s clear Father.”     Very good my dear.

Zoe said, “Father I noticed that there is a real lack of trust in life here. I feel that things will collapse and people will be unhappy if I don’t make a huge effort to control.”

So let’s start from the very beginning of your note. You say ‘I have noticed that there is a real lack of trust in life here’.

And what does this ‘here’ mean? ‘Here’ in this case, what you mean ‘here’, is actually not Here. It means that there are times where this old conditioning about ‘trying to control life’ comes and something bites into this. Isn’t it?

“I feel like things will collapse and people will be unhappy if I don’t make a huge effort to control.”      Yes.

Also another thing which is being pointed here is the need for other people to be happy with you. So if other people are unhappy does that lead to your unhappiness? And if our happiness is reliant on other people’s happiness then it’s a long, long road. Maybe a never ending one.

First you be completely happy: completely not reliant on whether others are happy or unhappy. Of course we don’t have to rub their nose in it. We don’t have to use our happiness as a sword to attack another. To say that ‘I am happy and I am beyond all of you’ or ‘I am something special’. But just be happy. Show me how you can be unhappy without believing a thought. I know you know this. You know this. Isn’t it?

So if we believe any thought actually it can lead us down this road of a lot of untruths. Any phrase of thought if you look at, we say, take a phrase like ‘Huge effort to control’. ‘Huge effort’; as if I can make a huge effort at all. Can I make any effort at all? Where is the effort coming from? No effort is possible. And to say ‘control’; no control is possible. You ‘feel that things will collapse’. This Universe has been going like this, through the light of Consciousness, timelessly. Nothing that you can do to make it collapse. And ‘many people will be unhappy’; when people are happy or unhappy it is only because of the thoughts that they are believing. There is nothing you can do about it. Just let go of all of this. All of this can be let go of.

I feel today to question your question. [Chuckling] And I hope that is okay. I feel today to question your question. Because it is so beautiful to just inquire. So if I were to ask you actually ‘I have noticed that there is a real lack of trust in life here’, I don’t see this about you. Is there really such a real lack of trust in life? When I look at you I do not see this. You are way beyond all of this now.

There was one more question from Wiebke.

Wiebke said, “Ananta I need some help. I am mixed up with some old identification, and with this a lot of anger came up and doubts and all this stuff. And now fear because of asking for help. And even I can see that this is not true, there is force of holding on to it.”

So this seems to be the common theme. Isn’t it? That something is coming and it seems to be strong. We must all see whether we are actually touched by any of this. How is the witnessing affected at all? We must stop trying to control the experience. We must stop trying to control the appearance.

Maybe one thing we can do together today is to, for ourselves, identify ‘What is it that I feel should not appear?’ ‘What is it that I feel should not appear in my appearance?’ ‘What am I still resisting?’ ‘What do I fear the most?’ And these questions will lead you to your strongest attachments.

Ramya also said “Similar feelings here.”

And then Wiebke said, “After writing to you Ananta for a while a lot more came up and then there was a ‘voice’ saying: ‘just keep quiet, no need to talk about this’. And then there was a clear seeing of how the mind plays its role to sustain the idea of the person. And even it´s still going on some things, this I trust.”

Just let go of all your thoughts. Just let go of your next thought. I know I sound like a parrot repeating the same thing over and over but it is actually that simple. It’s actually simple, simple, simple. It’s the simplest thing which faces the most resistance. Let anything come you see. Anything can come. Does anything touch what you are? Very good.

Kapil said, “That really helped Ananta. Thank you.”      You’re very welcome my dear.

Dee says, “Zoe, exactly what has been happening here too.”

And then Zoe says, “I am very easy to please! So why do I worry about others?”     What others are you speaking about?      “Effort is just imagined…seeing this now.”     Very good.

Shanti says, “Father, last night as I was dreaming, I was able to witness the witness. There was such clear Seeing and awareness of the seeing. It was also the same upon waking and now. There is nothing going on from Here. It is totally Aware but there is no emotional or personal investment in what is witnessed.” Very good.  “All flows and total peace is over looking the scene.”     Yes.      “There is a subtle but evident distance and detachment. But… it is not”…       [Looking for the rest of the phrase]  So Shanti can finish. Oh she said  “There is a subtle and evident distance and detachment but it is not.”     Yes. This is very beautiful.

And what do we mean when we say ‘I was able to witness the witness’ or ‘witness the witnessing’? It is just the simple sense that ‘I am aware now’ or ‘There is Awareness now’. This is awareness of Awareness itself. This is very beautiful. Very good.

Aradhana says, “Just joined Ananta, sorry am late.”    No worries.

Soham accidentally closed the tab. [Chuckle] He’s back now.

Stacy says, “Thank you, these questions are very powerful to look at.”

Clare says, “Tension type energy but your help is changing this as I can let it happen without an extra layer of tension about it arising.”  Yes. Do not resist it. In this itself all this resisted energy will dissolve. This is very good.     “Thank you.”

Louise says, “I don’t mind you repeating father. Repeat until it’s no longer needed.”     Yes.

Wiebke says, “I found out that it is not possible to avoid anything. That was always the way I tried to control life. Feeling truly like in a washing machine these days.”

But remember that the washing can happen. And for all of you I say this; the washing can happen. You see? All the lack of control and the collapsing and everything. The washing can happen. But you have always been only the Witnessing of all of this. You are not getting washed. It is only your conditioning which is getting washed away. It is only our concepts which are getting washed away. Very good.

Shanti says,”But… it is not so obvious as I am now looking. But I don’t mind this. The experience was enough to convince. Sorry for such a long share. (The rest of my comment)”     It is very beautiful. Just in this resting, Awareness resting as Awareness itself, this is our natural state. Very good.

Is Zoe still around?

Zoe says, “I am here Father.”

Ustreamer411, Ananya says, “Hello Father just joining in.”      Welcome, welcome.

We have made a deal. Isn’t it? What is our deal? Who remembers our deal? [Chuckling] Very good.

Vivi says, “To stay in satsang.”      Yes.

Shanti says, “To give everything to you.”      Yes!

Aradhana says, “To hand everything over to you.”      Yes!

Clare says, “Not to believe the next thought.”

Shanti says, “Yes, stay in satsang too.”   It’s the same thing. Isn’t it? Stay in satsang means to ‘hand over everything to me’.

Soham says, “Yes. To give all to you Father.”

Prema says, “I am free now.”      Yes. [Soft laughter] Very good.

Very good. It’s all the same isn’t it?

Zoe says, “It’s all yours Father. Love”   Very good my dear. You even said that ‘It’s very messy. Are you sure you want it?’ You see? [Chuckling] And I said ‘Yes. I am sure I want it’. [Big smile and direct gaze into screen] Very good.

Louise says, “Choose to listen to you Father and not the mind.”     Very good!

Shanti says, “Yes Prema. Same.

Vivi says, “Yes.”

Wiebke says, “Yes. All the same.”

Clare says, “Thank you for taking everything.”     Very welcome my dear. [Gazing lovingly at the screen]

Shanti says, “Father, I have taken your hand and you have taken me fully into your heart.”     Very beautiful.   “Not Debra or even Shanti but the True One. Thank you Beloved One.”     Yes.

And once you have handed over everything that can be handed over, what remains but this Oneness?” It is only this Oneness which remains. Only this Oneness stays.

Louise says, “Jesse says hello Ananta.”    Oh..Hello Jesse. [Waving and smiling then blows a kiss] So much love to you my dear. Very good.

Zoe says, “I am realizing that I don’t believe thoughts about myself but I believe thoughts about ‘others’.”     Yes!   “It’s all the same guy!”  Yes!

Don’t believe thoughts about others and don’t especially believe thoughts that others are having about you. It’s all the same guy. The same guy which is trying to keep this separation alive.

Stacy says, “This is the most holy deal… the only true deal that can ever be made. Thank you father.”     You’re very welcome my dear.

I’m here only to make this deal. I’m not interested in any other deal making. Nothing else can tempt me. I only want all of your concepts. All of your beliefs and interpretations about your life. All your concerns, all your worries, all your problems are mine. And I can say that this is a rare deal. You see? In most other relationships we are trying to give our problems to others but others are not willing to take them. We feel that if I am in a relationship with someone, someone should take care of my problem and all my problems should be taken care of by them. They should even change themselves to fix my problems. It is only here that all your problems can be handed over with no expectations in return.

Prema says, “Father I don’t know how to express my gratitude for everything. Your truth has become my reality and it never…, (something got missed). At your feet forever.”     Very good.

Zoe says, “I give it all to you, Father.”   Very good.

Clare says, “Thank you sooo much beloved Ananta. I’m so grateful.” Very welcome my dear.

Jyotika is here. She says, “Oh Father Everything is yours. Thank you so much.”   Thank you my dear.

Prema says, “It never leaves.”

Clare says, “No expectations is such a beautiful freedom. Thank you.”     You’re very welcome, my dear.

Ajnani says, “Deep gratitude.”   Very good.

[Looking with deep love into the screen] Your home is in my heart.

Clare says, “Putting ALL expectations at your holy feet. Thank you so much for this freedom.”     Yes. Very good.

Zoe says, “Such stillness, such peace. This is reality.”

You are the light of the Universe. [Gazing at screen and smiling] You are the light of the Universe. This is the only story I am willing to believe about you. I cannot see you as anything else but my own heart you are. Even to say ‘stay as me’, even to say ‘stay as me’ would be inaccurate because you have no option actually.

Louise says, “Father do you ever get sore cheeks from smiling so much, he he.” [Laughing] Yes I do actually. Often. Often after satsang I do.

Soham says, “So wonderful to be aware of being home. By your grace, I will never again mistakenly believe that I have left.”     Very good.

Kapil says, “Thank you Ananta.”     Very welcome my dear.

Jayani’s also here. She says, “Yes, yes, yes Father!”

Shanti says, “Oh Louise. That’s so cute!”

Wiebke says, “YES! No option.”

Where would you leave to? Where could you leave? Wherever you go is only Me. Whatever is appearing is only My light. You cannot leave your own heart. So to leave the physical presence is not what we’re speaking of. To leave even this kind of satsang or ‘satsang with Ananta’ is not what we’re talking about. Why you cannot leave is because we are One Heart. It is the same One Consciousness, One Being that we are.

And it is enough now of listening to the mind. Enough of this story of separation. Isn’t it?

Ajnani says, “Some tension in solar plexus area. “I expose and give it to satsang fire.” Very good.

Let all these energetic releases happen. You are untouched by all of it.

Prema says, “You are always in my heart.”

Marcel is here. He says, “Bliss arising here now.”   Very good.

Ustreamer431 says, “I love the way you have so much faith in me when I can’t see it- yet.”

In my seeing it, you are seeing it. It’s just that the mind is singing another tune and trying to distract you. Without listening to this mind tell me what is unseen. What can you see about yourself which is not this Being, which is not pure Awareness without listening to the mind.

Prema says, “You/me same same.

Jayani says, “How could I be anything but what I am. Just catching end of satsang.”

You are already that. You see. That’s what she’s saying. You are already that.

Prema says, “No (something got censored) leaving…one heart.”

Dee says, “Wow, beautiful. Thank you.”

Zoe says, “I know that we are one heart, I know it so well. Enough of the stories. I love you Father. At your holy feet.”     You’re all going to make me cry today, isn’t it? [Big smile]

Ishani says, “Yes father enough is enough. There is only love.”     This one also showed up right on time. [Emotional moment]

Jayani says, “Even the seeming darkest times are this One light.”

To say I love you is an understatement. I am completely unable now to read any of your chat. [Soft laughter] I’m reading them but I can’t read them out loud.

What is this if it is not Love?

[Gazing into the screen smiling and radiating Love]

So we have a new answer for what is the purpose of the creation of this Universe? Um? [Soft laughter] The purpose is to have this satsang.

Thank you all so very much for joining this beautiful satsang.

Moojiji Ki Jai! [Namaste]

Sangha: Jai ! Anantaji ki Jai !

[A stream of loving messages to Ananta flows]

Q: “My boss says we humans are naturally evil.” [Laughs] “It takes effort to be good, evil comes naturally.”

No. So if you just let it be, you will see the presence of so much peace, so much joy. And these concepts of evil, good, truth, lies…, all of this will seem so …, just concepts. But there is good…, something in this to be learned, isn’t it? Because the nature of the mind is always devious. So if we refer to our self as this mind or ego, then we can say that this one is always trying to trick us into mis-belief; into belief that we are the imagined one.

See, in some parts of the world, or some spiritual paths, this mind or ego is called the ‘dark side’ or the ‘dark forces’ and all of that. We don’t refer to it like that because that would give it way too much reality than it deserves. It is nothing at all. No darkness can persist in your own light. It is your light of Consciousness, which is taking care of the entire universe.

Q: “The boss has said ‘There has to be a balance of evil and good in the world. The world cannot sustain only on good.’ Is this true?”

No, this is not true. But what is true is that in this realm of this world appearance, it is seen that this yin and yang, these forces of opposite, always operate. This is the world of duality. Everything comes with its opposite. ‘Me’ comes with ‘another’, good comes with evil, truth comes with lies; everything, everything is duality, at every level. So this is the world of duality, which is full of the opposites. This is the way it appears, and it appears this way so that we can transcend this duality.

So if you keep studying the nature of the world and try to sort out the world as a person, no one has been able to do that. Many avatars have come and gone, many great teachers, sages, masters, saints, have come and gone. Who has been able to sort out the world? There are Beings who have come to the place of realization of their Supreme Self and come to this place of happiness and peace. See? And all Beings will come to this ultimate place of recognition.

Therefore, if you want to truly be a role model to the world, show the world how you can be free from your suffering. Because it is not in the material things. If you help another with material things, that is not enough. And nothing wrong in doing that, if you feel from the heart that it is to be done, nothing wrong in doing that. To help in material or practical things, but it is not enough. Show the world how to be free from suffering. We say ‘Be the change’ (Gandhi ji I believe had said), ‘Be the change you want to see in the world.’ So what is the change that you can be?

You can be forever free from suffering. And in your being free from suffering, the world becomes free from suffering.

Very good.

Memory, imagination, emotion, appearance in the world. Memory, imagination, emotion, appearance in the world; none of them have any trouble. None of them can bring any trouble except when we believe our interpretation of them. Except when we believe our mind’s interpretation of it. Because in the mind’s interpretation of it, all these appearances become “mine.” We put a label through our belief saying ‘this happened to me’. But there is nobody that anything has ever happened to because nobody has ever existed.

So if you try to deal with these forces separately, then it will become a more indirect process and could take many, many lifetimes to find out what you really are. You see, because we start with looking at memory. Then we can say ‘Why are my dreams always so dark?’ and we say ‘What to do with all of these emotions which come up?’ and we say ‘What to do with all my greed, all my lust, all my hunger, all my desire?’ All of these things can come. That is why we have given you the simple approach, the simple approach which will short-circuit this entire game. And the simple approach is to ‘let go of your next thought, and let the appearances come and go.’

They do not, like we said earlier, no appearance has the power to hurt you. No appearance is loud or strong; it is only made that way by your own belief, by your own identification. And as long as we have some fear that something should not come up; either in the seemingly external appearance or from our memories, then the mind knows that this button can be pushed. And it will save these things up to catch you in a moment when you’re open to listening to the mind. So instead just be completely open for anything to appear, and just keep letting go of your thoughts about them.

Yes, but don’t let go of your thoughts about anything with the expectation that ‘Something should go away as a result of my practice’. This is very important, even yesterday we were discussing this; where we must not use any practice with the expectation that something will stop or some appearance will go. The letting go only means that we are not buying the interpretation about it. But if there is still some strong feeling that ‘this should not happen’ or ‘this should not appear’ or something that keeps recurring over and over, then we can look together and inquire into it. Or you can also shine your own light onto it and see. ‘Who is concerned with this memory coming up or not?’ ‘Who is concerned with this emotion?’

Good.

Q: “I see that this body has been living for 22 years.”

This body has been living for 22 years, but have You been living for 22 years? Every cell in your body has changed many times. No cell in your body is the same cell, which was born as the baby. Which part of your body has been there for 22 years?

The body is constantly changing, just like the world is constantly changing. Just like our beliefs are constantly changing. So if we ever rely on something which constantly changing for our identity, this is ripe for suffering, this is ripe for misery, because there is no stability.

On being your Self there is stability. Find the Eternal One.

This body has come, this body will go. It will not be even a blink of an eyelid.

Which part of you is the body?

How does the body connect with you?

See, this is another misconception, (not saying you had this, but many of us still have this misconception), that Being lives inside the body, or Awareness lives within the body. This is completely not true. It can only appear that way, it can only feel that way.

Being is prior to the body, Witnessing is prior even to Being.

Maharaj had this beautiful phrase: ‘Where were you before you were conceived?’

Namaste everyone, very warm welcome to Satsang today. Moojiji ki Jai. [Namaste] Thank you all so very much for joining in. And if this is your first time here, the way to ask questions is through the chat window. Namaste, Namaste.

We are never the appearance. We are never the appearance. All appearances arise within us. No matter how strong or how real it might seem, but the Awareness is untouched by any of this. And ultimately it doesn’t even matter whether we are playing the game of a person or we realize who we are. Ultimately, even that does not matter. Because you can only be That. And you are always only That. The imaginary world, no matter how beautiful or horrific it might be, can never become you. And you can never truly be apart of it. It can only seem that way. It’s like you’re having a daydream and something somewhere is trying to control the content of that daydream. It is just happening all on its own, and you will see this to be true. The person is not even the illusion. If the phenomenal world is all an illusion, it’s all a dream, even in this dream this person cannot be found. That’s why we can say that it is nothing at all. Not even a phenomena. It is not even a phenomena. And the whole divine mystery is how pure Being itself starts imagining itself to be this non-existent entity. It must be all a game, isn’t it? Must be all a leela.

But don’t believe this, you see. If you just believe it, as words, then it becomes another concept. So I’m not asking for any belief. But I am asking for the faith so that you can check for yourself. Have this much faith that you will check for yourself. And some faith is required in this. Because there will be some voice in your head that ‘this is useless’, ‘it serves no purpose’, ‘how does it help me’, ‘you can never get it’, ‘you are just fooling yourself’.  This voice is constantly telling you this kind of stuff. And that is where faith is very helpful. Faith gives you the ability to check for yourself.

Yes. So Aradhana says, “Even more nothing than phenomena.” This is very nice. “Double nothing.” The person idea is even more nothing than phenomena. This is very beautiful. “Nothing times two.”

Atma says, “It’s an amazing game. How can I be that what I am not?”  Yes.

You cannot be, you can only imagine it. And I don’t want any of you to hear this as just some fancy words. I don’t even want you to hear these worlds as if they are something special. Just hear these words as if we are having a conversation. Because what is being spoken about here is not mystical. It is not esoteric. It is not religious. It is universal. But it is a rare conversation. Because not too many Beings in this world will have this kind of conversation with you.

Namaste. Kapil says, “The voice in the head is losing its power very fast.”  Very good.

It is bound to happen. As you stay in the fire of Satsang, this voice will keep losing its power and sometimes it will save up all its energy and try to attack when you feel complacent. It has a lot of tricks up its sleeve, but you just keep letting go and you will see that it’s nothing. Just nothing.

Clare says, “It seems to me that it is a necessary journey from self-unknown to complete unshakable recognition and embodiment of Self.”   Yes.

It can be said like that. That is one of the explanations of the purpose of all of this. Yes.

Atma says, “True, only to imagine that.”

Jayani, Namaste.

Atma says, “These are not only words, it is my reality. And nothing special in this is. Only confirming simple reality.”

Yes, if you can just listen like that, just ‘simple, simple’, then the words will soak in on their own. If you’re working very hard mentally to try to understand something, then it can create a lot of conflict.

Loney says, “Ananta, there is so many direct seeings of Truth in this period, and at same time, voice in the head has grown louder. And I have not contemplated ‘what is belief’ very well.”   That’s okay [Smiling into camera]

The two are correlated, isn’t it? See, a thought is only a thought. It is just some energy. You can watch right now and see. All of us can do this. Wait for the next thought to come. It can be anything at all; be completely open and wait for the thought to come. You see? And when you see this thought, and you perceive this thought, you will see that it is neither loud, nor soft. No attributes can be said. All is directly proportional to the amount of belief or meaning that we ourselves assign to a thought. So for some of you if the thought is ‘you have not got it yet’ then this will seem very loud to you, because still there might be some identification with getting it or not getting it. See, so if this thought comes ‘I have not got it yet. I am just fooling myself’…, this will seem very loud if there is identity with this concept with freedom; identity still with getting something or understanding something. For another Being, this thought will be nothing at all. You know, it will just come and go. But a loud thought could be ‘that I want to eat some Chinese food today.’ You see? This could be a loud thought with someone who’s deeply identified with food; and the thought that ‘I have not got it’ has meaning for him. So it is not the question of whether the thoughts have become louder, it is only that some identity is still being pulled out, is being pushed. Some buttons are getting pushed.

Sometimes in satsang it can happen that these seem very strong, because it is that the mind is finding itself in some danger, you see? So it will try to push all the buttons that it has. But if you are empty without any identity, then show me a thought which can be loud. Be completely empty and then show me a thought which can be loud for you. Be nothing at all and then show me a thought, which is powerful. Very good.

Ananya says, “Namaste Father, there has been this one recurring thought that says, ‘You’re too young for all this. Truth is not for you now.’ Exposing this to you; and whatever identity is still left, let it get burnt.” Yes.

So then you must answer, ‘how old am I?’ How old are you?

[Video cuts off]

Namaste, I’m back here now and I’m broadcasting on my phone because my electricity just went away, and the only internet that is possible is through the phone. I’m broadcasting only audio right now, but I’m hoping that the chat window will show up and we can still look at some questions. But if it doesn’t show up, then we’ll have to keep it a monologue like this. Doesn’t look like the chat window wants to come up.

[Responding to Ananya’s question]: But in what way are you really young? Time and space are created inside you. So when we’re referring to our self as young, what are we truly talking about? We are referring to the age of this body.

[Video cuts off]

Namaste. Back on video now? Very good.

Okay, so I missed out on the chat while I was away, and it starts, the chat that I see first is Amaya saying, “There are many transcripts on Ananta webpage; some addressed that question.” [responding to a question on chat when online connection was lost].

Zoe said, “We will just be in silence with Father then.”

Was there something important before this, a question? You can type it again.

Kapil said, “Ramya, the best answer will come from him when he’s back on air again.” Okay, there was a question from Ramya, so Ramya if you could type it again we can then look at it.

Stacy says, “This is like the experience of awakening coming and going, but all illusory.” Yes. [Laughs]

Loney said, “Yes Stacy, this is a clear picture of daily life: Awakening, sleep, understanding, everything goes black. Need to go now love you Ananta, love you Sangha.”  Love you too, my dear.

Amaya says, “Father did you see Ramya’s question?” No, if one of you can see it and type it again. And if Ramya is still here we can look at the question.

Ah, Ramya’s still here, very good.

And Stacy says “Just so happy to be here with you.” Same, same.

Ramya says, “Can we still have goals to achieve after realizing the Consciousness?”

‘Can we still have goals to achieve after realizing the Consciousness?’ Yes, so this is when you realize that you are the Supreme One, untouched by any of this, then what goal will you still have? See, if you become, if you realize that you are already a billionaire…, you have a family inheritance which you didn’t know about, but one day somebody came to you and said ‘Look, look, look. Go into that room of yours, and open this box, which you didn’t know about. Inside that box you will find that check for a billion dollars’. And at first there was disbelief, ‘How can there be? This is just not possible’. But then if you have faith in the One who is telling you, then that faith will make you look. And once you look you will find this check worth a billion dollars. Then after finding the billion dollars, it’s complete freedom of whether you want to work at your job or not. You see?

So there is nothing that stops anything. This realization will not make a sadhu out of you. It will only remove the potential for any suffering, because once you realize that You are all there is, then what else could you want? So all of your actions will come from a place, which is not from a need. It will not come from a lack. It will come from a joy now. And with this joy there can be no stress; there can be no trouble. If you were to really see that you are everything; that this entire universe is arising within you…, if you were to see this, then would any ‘want’ be left?

And then she says, “Well, then what do we do with the rest of the life?”

It’s complete freedom once you see that you are Consciousness Itself. See, it’s not a person that realizes Consciousness. You realize that the person was never here, and you are always only this Consciousness. And then this Consciousness sees that all of life is moving on its own like it always has been. For most of humanity, what we do is trying to find peace and happiness. All our actions are taking us there. When we ask most people ‘Why are you doing certain things?’ they will say that ‘So that I can be happy and I can be peaceful’. Here then, you start from this point of peace and happiness, and all actions are free to unfold. So don’t let the mind paint this picture for you. The mind will paint this picture for you that you will lose all interest in everything. You will become like this sad character sitting isolated from the world, no joy. It is not that. You will enjoy every moment, no matter what the content of the moment is. No one who has realized the Self has come back with the complaint that ‘I have nothing to do’. They might say ‘I have nothing to do, all is happening on its own’ but it won’t be a complaint. No one who has realized the Self has lived to regret it.

Zoe has to leave now, “Leaving now, Beloved Father, at your holy feet.” So much love dear One. You had a question, but we can look at it later if you like.

Ramya says, “Thank you Master, thank you for the blessings.” You’re very welcome, my dear. I’m very happy you joined in online as well. So good to see you here. [Gazes lovingly into camera]

Zoe says, “Thank you, Father. Yes, later.” Yes.

You are what you want. You are the way to your Peace. You are the way to your Joy. You are the way to your eternal happiness. It is only You that you want. Because in the imagination, there seems to be this suffering. That’s why we say; we say that Kabir ji had this beautiful dohas: “The fish is thirsty in the water” (repeats “The fish is thirsty in the water”) and seeing this I laugh.” But in actuality we can say, that it is the water itself that is thirsting for water. The water is thirsting for water. Where must water go to find water? Where must water go to quench its thirst?

Atma says, “Wow, thank you for these words.” Very welcome.

Ramya says, “So the only control we have is to either believe or not believe our thoughts?” Yes. “Everything else is not in control”. Very good.

So if you feel that there is some sense of control, some choice, then it’s good to see that this is a choice. To see the thought is coming; whether I give my belief to it or not seems like a choice, and it is good to exercise this choice and say that ‘I will not believe.’ And ultimately you will realize that even this belief and not-belief was Grace itself. But it’s good because as long as there’s this sense that we can do some effort, that we have some choice, it is good to look at this and see that the thought is coming and whether I will believe or not. We can say that this is the only choice. Yes.

Adam says, “Yes, thanks for reminding me.” Very welcome.

Atma says, “So beautiful they are. Much love, Father.” Much love to you.

Shinein says, “Can you please speak about the person’s memory and when it is released and not influential.”

Yes. Memory, imagination, emotion, appearance in the world. Memory, imagination, emotion, appearance in the world… none of them have any trouble. None of them can bring any trouble except when we believe our interpretation of them. Except when we believe our mind’s interpretation of it. Because in the mind’s interpretation of it, all these appearances become “mine.” We put a label through our belief saying ‘this happened to me’. But there is nobody that anything has ever happened to because nobody has ever existed.

So if you try to deal with these forces separately, then it will become a more indirect process and could take many, many lifetimes to find out what you really are. You see, because we start with looking at memory. Then we can say ‘Why are my dreams always so dark?’ and we say ‘What to do with all of these emotions which come up?’ and we say ‘What to do with all my greed, all my lust, all my hunger, all my desire?’ All of these things can come. That is why we have given you the simple approach, the simple approach which will short-circuit this entire game. And the simple approach is to ‘let go of your next thought, and let the appearances come and go.’

They do not, like we said earlier, no appearance has the power to hurt you. No appearance is loud or strong; it is only made that way by your own belief, by your own identification. And as long as we have some fear that something should not come up; either in the seemingly external appearance or from our memories, then the mind knows that this button can be pushed. And it will save these things up to catch you in a moment when you’re open to listening to the mind. So instead just be completely open for anything to appear, and just keep letting go of your thoughts about them.

Yes, but don’t let go of your thoughts about anything with the expectation that ‘Something should go away as a result of my practice’. This is very important, even yesterday we were discussing this; where we must not use any practice with the expectation that something will stop or some appearance will go. The letting go only means that we are not buying the interpretation about it. But if there is still some strong feeling that ‘this should not happen’ or ‘this should not appear’ or something that keeps recurring over and over, then we can look together and inquire into it. Or you can also shine your own light onto it and see:

‘Who is concerned with this memory coming up or not?’

‘Who is concerned with this emotion?’ Good.

Ishani says, “Father, it feels as the old identity is gone.” Yes. “There is feeling there is something else acting through this body.” Very good. “Just being quiet as sometimes I see a bit of fear as I just don’t know anything really.”  Yes. It is very good.

This is what my Master calls ‘The switching over of power’.  The switching over of power from the mind to the Being. This is what many on the spiritual path call the journey from the head to the heart. So the head means operating from a personal identity, operating from the mind. And heart means Being, operating from the pure Being itself. And sometimes yes, the mind will try to make you fearful about this, this can happen. But you stay in satsang, you stay with me in your Heart and you will see that all this will soon go. And you will laugh at the idea of the mind to have any ability to create fear in you. Very good.

Louise says, “Father, there used to be this concept that everything will change. I’ve noticed that nothing has changed.” Yes, yes.

That’s what in Zen they say ‘Before enlightenment, chopping wood. After enlightenment, chopping wood’. See very beautifully, some very beautiful truths are exposed in this simple pointing. And to you, really, like we read in the Avaduta Gita, the freedom experience or the awakening experience means nothing. Liberation means nothing to the liberated. It is just another concept, because the liberated know that they were never bound. Therefore, what is so special about liberation? Very good.

Louise says, “Silence and distance from all that happens.” This is very good.

Yes, and this distance is very beautiful because it is not a distance coming from aversion. It is not a distance that comes from aversion, it is only a distance that basically it is seen that everything is dancing in front of me. All is coming and going in front of me. It can seem like that. It’s very good.

Ananya says, “There still seems to be some belief in this, Father. That’s why it keeps recurring probably? Letting go of this one also.” I missed the chat. Did you answer how old you are? Tell me how old you are.

Shinein says, “Very clear, thank you.” Very good. “Open and letting go of the next thought.” Very good, very good.

Ramya says, “My boss says we humans are naturally evil.” [Laughs] “It takes effort to be good, evil comes naturally.”

No, so if you just let it be, you will see the presence of so much peace, so much joy. And these concepts of evil, good, truth, lies…, all of this will seem so …, just concepts. But there is good…, something in this to be learned, isn’t it? Because the nature of the mind is always devious. So if we refer to our self as this mind or ego, then we can say that this one is always trying to trick us into misbelief; into belief that we are the imagined one. See, in some parts of the world, or some spiritual paths, this mind or ego is called the ‘dark side’ or the ‘dark forces’ and all of that. We don’t refer to it like that because that would give it way too much reality than it deserves. It is nothing at all. No darkness can persist in your own light. It is your light of Consciousness, which is taking care of the entire universe.

Then she says, “The boss has said ‘There has to be a balance of evil and good in the world. The world cannot sustain only on good.’ Is this true?”

No, this is not true. But what is true is that in this realm of this world appearance, it is seen that this yin and yang, these forces of opposite, always operate. This is the world of duality. Everything comes with its opposite. ‘Me’ comes with ‘another’, good comes with evil, truth comes with lies; everything, everything is duality, at every level. So this is the world of duality, which is full of the opposites. This is the way it appears, and it appears this way so that we can transcend this duality.

So if you keep studying the nature of the world and try to sort out the world as a person, no one has been able to do that. Many avatars have come and gone, many great teachers, sages, masters, saints, have come and gone. Who has been able to sort out the world? There are Beings who have come to the place of realization of their Supreme Self and come to this place of happiness and peace. See? And all Beings will come to this ultimate place of recognition. Therefore, if you want to truly be a role model to the world, show the world how you can be free from your suffering. Because it is not in the material things. If you help another with material things, that is not enough. And nothing wrong in doing that, if you feel from the heart that it is to be done, nothing wrong in doing that. To help in material or practical things, but it is not enough. Show the world how to be free from suffering. We say ‘Be the change’ – Gandhi ji I believe had said – ‘Be the change you want to see in the world.’ So what is the change that you can be? You can be forever free from suffering. And in your being free from suffering, the world becomes free from suffering. Very good.

Weibke says, “Thank you so much, Ananta, for these words! Throwing everything in the fire.” Very good. Very welcome.

“Liberation means nothing to the liberated”, Atma says. “Liberation means nothing to the liberated.” Yes. “Nothing changes anyway.” Yes.

Jayani says, “I have no age. No death. No birth. Timeless.”  Very beautiful.

Ananya says, “I see that this body has been living for 22 years.”

This body has been living for 22 years, but have You been living for 22 years? Every cell in your body has changed many times. No cell in your body is the same cell, which was born as the baby. Which part of your body has been there for 22 years? The body is constantly changing, just like the world is constantly changing. Just like our beliefs are constantly changing. So if we ever rely on something which constantly changing for our identity, this is ripe for suffering, this is ripe for misery, because there is no stability. On being your Self there is stability. Find the Eternal One. This body has come, this body will go. It will not be even a blink of an eyelid. Which part of you is the body? How does the body connect with you? See, this is another misconception, (not saying Ananya had this, but many of us still have this misconception), that Being lives inside the body, or Awareness lives within the body. This is completely not true. It can only appear that way, it can only feel that way. But Being is prior to the body, Witnessing is prior even to Being. Maharaj had this beautiful phrase, isn’t it? “Where were you before you were conceived?”

Ramya says, “Thank you, Master. Much love and peace to you.” Same to you my dear. Very good.

Ananya says, “Father, can we look at this together?” Of course we can. Very happy to look at it with you.

See, maybe I also perpetuated it, isn’t it? Because I keep joking with all of you ‘See how young you are?’ But it’s only in a joke, there’s nothing real about that. But it’s very good that you point this out. So I must also stop repeating this thing about all of you being so young. It’s very good.

Amaya says, “Thank you.”

Thank you all so very much for joining in on Satsang today.

[Namaste] Moojiji ki Jai! So much love. [Blows kiss and waves]

Sangha:  Moojiji ki Jai! Anantaji ki Jai! Thank you. Love you.

Namaste everyone, a very warm welcome to satsang today. Moojiji ki Jai.

Thank you very much, everyone, for joining in. And if this is your first time in satsang, know that the way to ask questions is through the chat window. Welcome, welcome.

Welcome Julia. Good to have you.

Clare says, “Can I ask a question from Julia?”  Yes, of course. Namaste. Welcome.

Ananya says, “Father, can you give us some clarity on intuition please?”

Yes, we’ll do that; and we’ll wait for Julia also to ask the question. But I want to start today…, it is feeling like to say to talk about something which seems to be coming up in satsang now, often. So we’ll start with that.

So we’ll look at: What is ‘the best case scenario for the ego’? What is ‘the best case scenario for the ego’? And also: what is ‘the worst case scenario for the ego’?

So the ‘best case scenario for the ego’ is to be ‘special’. The ego wants to be considered ‘special’. See in everything that it does; all of its attempts actually are to become something. And it says ‘I want to become something’. It is this need for ‘specialness’. This ‘nothing’ wants to prove that it has become ‘something’. This ‘nothing’ called the ‘mind’ or the ‘ego’ or the ‘person’. Its only attempt is to try and become ‘something’, and ‘something special’. So if this is ‘the best case scenario for the ego’ then what is ‘the worst case scenario for the ego’?

The ‘worst case scenario for the ego’ is to see that it is ‘nothing’ or for us to see that the ego is ‘nothing’. And for so long we have pretended to be this ‘person’. We have pretended to be this ‘person’ for so long, that when this ‘person’ is made to feel like it is ‘nothing’ it is like the ‘worst’ thing ever. And we’re not even getting into the spectrum of all the good and bad things that the ‘person’ would like to be considered; even the ‘worst’ thing that you can consider the ego to be would be to consider it to be ‘nothing’.

That’s how it can happen in satsang also. So, what happens is that initially, when a person comes into satsang, they feel like ‘Okay, now this ‘person’ has found a home. It seems like a comfortable place’. But actually for the ‘person’, satsang is the ‘least’ comfortable place. For a ‘person’ this kind of satsang is the ‘least’ comfortable place; because what will happen in these satsangs is that this false idea of ‘who you are’, this ‘ego’, will be dissolved.

So what happens to the ‘person’ is, there is somewhere a realization that there is no happiness for the ‘person’ in the world; and that they feel that we will find happiness in satsang; which starts off as a ‘personal’ journey. Satsang, or the desire for Freedom, also starts off as a ‘personal’ journey. But very quickly, in these direct kind of satsangs, it is seen that there is no comfort here for the ‘person’. We’re not here to perpetuate the idea of ‘person-hood’ and therefore you will see that as long as you carry a ‘personal’ perspective, every time in satsang some button will get pushed. Because the aim of satsang, so to speak, is to get you to see You as Consciousness; to see that ‘this person’, you are not.

That is why, also in many spiritual movements, and in satsang, what can happen is that our mind can say ‘But the Guru is not interested in me’ or ‘the Guru is ignoring me’. So suppose one of you has typed out a question there, which I don’t look at. Then many of you will immediately buy these feelings that, the Master is not interested in my question. He read out so much stuff, even some trivial stuff he showed interest in, but my question, which was so deep and so clear and so strong or so whatever; that he was not interested in. And in this, the ‘person’ starts to feel like it is ‘nothing’…, even here.

So even the spiritual search actually starts off with wanting to be ‘something special’. We don’t realize this; but it starts off with wanting to be a ‘special, free, self-realized person’. But there is actually no thing as a ‘self-realized person’. Self-realization only means that the idea that ‘I am a person’ will be blown away, will be thrown away. There is no ‘self-realized person’ here. There is no ‘special person’ here. So these strains of wanting to be ‘something special’ will show up in satsang also.

We were speaking yesterday about what Mooji says, to be this beautiful ‘invisibility’. He’s not necessarily referring to the fact that we must be quiet. He’s only referring to the fact that ‘Where is what you’re saying coming from? Is it still coming from a ‘person’s’ perspective? Is it still coming from the ‘wanting to be special’ perspective?’ Then that is noisy. Silence is not broken by words. The silence of satsang is not broken by words. It is only broken by the ‘personhood’ or the ‘false’ idea or the ‘imagined one’. The fear of this kind of ‘invisibility’, the fear of not ‘standing out’, the fear of ‘not being noticed’, the fear of ‘not becoming something special’ is very beautiful to expose.

And as long as there is some conditioning, all Beings carry it. So don’t feel that you are only now, stuck in this; hence you’ve not progressed or some nonsense like that. As long as there is some conditioning, there will be every Being who has this; because it is very primal. It is very primal. This ‘nothing’ called the ego wants to become ‘something’. And the way it convinces itself that it is ‘getting somewhere’ is for it to become ‘special’ or for it to be ‘seen’ or for it to be ‘acknowledged’. Are you all comfortable being No-Thing? You must ask yourself this: ‘Am I comfortable being No-Thing? If Moojiji would never look at me again, am I comfortable? If Ananta would never look at me again, am I comfortable? Am I comfortable with leading a life which is completely unnoticed? Am I comfortable with not ‘being special’? ’ Very good.

So in all the ego’s attempts, it is trying to become this ‘special something’. This need for ‘specialness’ is very primal to the ego. So it’s beautiful, isn’t it, to just see this? And I’m so happy that Rashmi exposed this, and that some of you have also exposed this in the past; this fear of ‘being invisible’ or ‘not noticed’ or being ‘ignored’. So it’s very beautiful that this comes up so that it can be burnt in the fire of satsang now. So the mind could be saying ‘I am No-Thing and I have seen I am No-Thing: It’s completely clear to me that I am ‘nothing’. All of you could be typing; I am nothing, I am nothing. But if that gets ignored, then something gets hurt, isn’t it?  Although that’s what we are proclaiming. So for many of us it can play out in this way; and it’s so good to be full of integrity and honesty about this, to see that there is still this button that can be pressed. Very good.

Shanti says, “Namaste, Father. I’m here after all.” So wonderful.

So before we come to Intuition maybe we can look at Julia’s question.

Julia said, “Please can I ask about relationships and finding a balance between the practicalities of home-life and being rested in the heart?”

We’ll give you the simplest way to look at this; and also I will tell you something which will seem like it is a bit radical. For many years here also actually, there was this attempt to balance ‘work’ and ‘spiritual’ life; ‘work’ and ‘life’ actually, cause this term is very often heard in the corporate world, isn’t it, words like ‘balance’. And everybody is struggling hard to maintain this balance. But what happens is, that in this trying to maintain a balance we have created a dichotomy between ‘work’ and ‘life’; between ‘spirituality’ and ‘work’; between the Truth and the ‘false world’ which we call the ‘real world’. There is no dichotomy. It is just ‘one life’. First we must see that it is ‘one life’.

Many Beings come to satsang and say ‘I’m so calm in satsang, but when I go to work it all changes.’ It doesn’t actually. It is just that you start operating from the ‘person’s space’. Nothing changes, life is still life. Appearances are still appearances. Nothing actually changes. Only the appearances which appear change. You are still the same. So then we must look at, once it is understood that it is ‘one life’, and we don’t need to balance anything, then we can see what is the best way to manage this life. At the root of this question must be this question ‘How do I live my life? How do I manage my life?’

So another bit of news I have for you is that ‘you’ cannot. No person has ever been able to manage their life. No matter what stories you read about them, or what they are saying on Facebook, no person has ever been able to manage their life. And I know that you are new to satsang but, for me, I always take the direct approach first; and then we can look at your objections and have this conversation to see how far we got. So why has no person ever been able to manage their life? Because no person has ever existed. No person has ever existed. The person is only a set of beliefs. So the person is just a total of all the ideas which you carry about yourself. It’s only a set of ideas and these ideas keep constantly changing.

So if we look back at our life we see that…, we say that ‘the person I was has changed now. I’m not the same person anymore’. We can see this about ourselves and all the Beings we meet also; that all people change. So what are we actually saying? When we say people change, what are we saying? We are saying that the beliefs that are carried here are changing. Many people, at one point in their life they could have believed that they are rebels. Some could have believed that they never wanted a job. Some could have believed that they will always have a job. But our ideas about ourselves constantly keep changing.

So this ‘person’ idea is an ever-changing idea and therefore very unreliable. So what then remains once it is seen that this ‘person’ is just an idea? What remains is you see that there is a sense of Being here, which is ever-present; in the ‘right now’ it is here, this pure sense that I Am. The ‘person’ is just a modulation of this pure sense I Am. Then it becomes: ‘I am a man’, ‘I am a husband’, ‘I am a teacher’, ‘This my name’. All of this attaching identity is the false attaching to this unassociated sense of I Am. And it is this Pure Sense of Being which is running life; which can be said to be Life itself. It is the Light of Life.

So as long as you don’t fall prey to your false ideas about yourself…, and any idea about yourself is actually false. Then you will see that the Life of this entire Universe is unfolding in a beautiful pattern. We say this often that; we believe that God can run this entire Universe but my life He cannot run; or my life He cannot balance. Actually, God or this Being or Consciousness itself has been running this entire show all alone, and it is completely balanced.

So the good news is that you don’t have to take effort to balance anything at all, because you will tire yourself out silly in trying to balance life. It is like trying to carry a huge river on your back. Can you do it? No, it’s constantly flowing. You don’t have any way to create a dam or a reservoir to control this flow of the river. So don’t try to balance life. Just be the witness of life and you will watch that life is unfolding in a beautiful way; and it will not seem tiring. It will not seem effortful anymore. What is the best way? The quickest way to do it is to let go of your next thought. Simply let go of your next thought. We made it super simple for all of you.

Very good. Welcome, welcome once again to satsang.

Shanti says, “I notice how there’s a lot of thoughts that come around specialness. I don’t take them seriously anymore and I don’t listen to the opposite thoughts of unworthiness.” Very good. “No thoughts have any importance anymore.” Yes, then nothing is required if this is true. “Still would like them to stop fooling around though.”

Thoughts will keep fooling around. Thoughts will not stop. Don’t expect thoughts to stop. It’s just that they will lose their power completely; and you know this, I know.

[Shanti] “Like why do thoughts keep showing up unwanted?”

There’s no Being in the world to whom thoughts do not appear, and it is a thought itself which will say that ‘I want thoughts to stop’. It is not the Witnessing; it is not Awareness which is saying this.

Welcome, Bhagavatiji.

HeartAlchemy is here. “Peace” Peace to you too, my dear.

Shanti says, “I guess there is still ‘something’ that catches some interest.” And now it has been seen and it is gone.

Ananya says, “Thank you, Father, for always chopping off our heads like this.” Very welcome.

Bhagavatiji says, “Totally comfortable as nobody.” Very good.

Atma says, “I am now comfortable with that.”

Soham says, “Absolutely, Father. So tired of the believed-in person who wanted attention and success.” Very good.

Also don’t believe in the person who does not want attention and success. Don’t believe in anything at all. Don’t even believe that there is a new person who has gone beyond the old one who wanted these things.

Wiebke says, “So beautiful questions, Ananta. I love them.” Very good my dear.

Atma says, “Yesterday we had such a beautiful satsang in chat.”

Wiebke says, “Yes those buttons still get pressed.”

It’s very good because not a blade of grass you will be allowed to carry into your Freedom. If your Freedom is Heaven then in the Gates of Heaven they will take away your last possession. Every button will be pressed until it loses its power. It’s very, very good.

Soham says, “Sometimes the question arises ‘Why am I posting this stuff on FB?’ Who is it that feels compelled to post?”

It’s a very good contemplation, and you will find that it is just happening on its own, seen in your true looking. Not just believing a thought which is saying ‘It is just happening on its own’. But just to look, and to see that it’s all just happening on its own; not coming from a sense of specialness, or need, or personhood. Then it is all fine.

Shanti says, “Those are hard questions. It seems the person will never be comfortable, especially being nobody, not noticed. The only way is to burn all personhood and stay as I am.” Exactly. That’s exactly it, right?

So if somebody is completely comfortable being ‘nobody’ then we can say that there is no ‘person’ here. It’s the same thing. Exactly. Good.

Soham says, “Who is it that cares if anyone likes it or not?”

Find out if there is still this perpetuation of this false identity. Then it’s very good that you look at it.

Rashmi says, “Gratitude is all I have to say; much gratitude.” Same / same, my dear.

Atma says, “Only appearances change, yes.” Only appearances change.

Clare says, “Yes, it’s the fears of failure which close me up with family and makes me lose my self.” [Julia] “Thank you, Ananta, for your honesty.”

Actually, if the Self is True, and the Self is True; but if the Self is True, then it can never be lost. There’s something very important in this for you. Just be with these words. Don’t even strain to understand. If the Self is True, then it must be ever-present. We are not interested in a Self which comes and goes, isn’t it? If Self Realization was only something which shows us something which could come and which could go, based on how much we’ve meditated today or which practice we have done, then ‘that’ kind of Self, at least I would not be interested in. Self Realization means, to find this which is Eternal; which is ever-present, which cannot be lost.

Then what happens? Then we see that all that can be lost was ‘not me’, because the Self cannot be lost. So all that can be lost must have just been an ‘idea’. Must have just been ‘ideas’ I had about this ‘person’. What remains when everything is lost? Find out that which remains when everything is lost. Then you will lose the fear of losing anything at all. Let everything go right now. Lose everything, and see what remains. My Master used to say earlier ‘Take a big net. Put everything in this net and throw it in the ocean. Then what remains?’ That which cannot be lost, that which cannot be thrown, that is the Self, the Eternal One. Very good.

Kapil says, “Yes, I also feel the peace I feel in Satsang is lost, when thinking about work, future and dealing with relationships.”

Yes, because something convinces you that ‘If the appearance is of work than I better start believing my thoughts. I better start worrying and thinking now’. Don’t buy this. Try it out for a couple of days. Nothing will happen. You will only see that everything was always unfolding in its own way. Very good.

Clare says, “Thank you.” So much love.

Atma says, “Super simple.”

HeartAlchemy [Smiles]. Vivi, thank you.

Wiebke says, “I am here for all buttons to be pressed.”

I am very happy. You see, for this one many buttons get pressed; be it for language, for many reasons, many buttons get pressed for her in Satsang but she stays. This is very beautiful. This is living up to that example which we talk about that ‘If you can’t stand the heat then you must stay in Satsang’. Because for most of us, at one point or another, there is bound to be some burning happening in Satsang. It is good to let it get burnt. It is only the false which can get burnt. Very good.

Shanti said, “There is so much joy and gratitude here hearing your words and basking in the love light coming from your eyes.” Thank you, my dear.

Ustreamer291, “So happy to be here.” So happy you’re here.

Atma says, “Thank you, Beloved Father, for these words. Self is ever-present.”

Okay, so we’ll just finish on this and then we’ll come to Ananya’s question.

Soham says, “Today walking back from town, I really noticed how legs were just

moving, arms were just moving. It was so clear that these things were just happening,”

No person has ever moved their arms. “…that there was no person who was doing anything.” Exactly. “It was clear then that only witnessing was happening, nothing else.”   Very beautiful.

Ustreamer121 says, “Even if the idea wanted to be personal and accepted as something special, because I felt that awareness is something special to share yet aloneness…”

Okay, let me just read this again. “Even if the idea wanted to be personal and accepted as something special, because I felt that awareness is something special to share…” Yes. “Yet aloneness and unlike-ness is all so laughably present.”

Yes. If this is your true experiencing then it is very beautiful and nothing can shake you. Whether in the appearance other beings are treating you special or treating you like nothing at all, whether there are other beings around or you are completely alone, it means nothing to you. You see, because the Presence is always present. Very good.

Okay, so Ananya said, “Father, can you give us some clarity on intuition?”

Yes. So we often speak about this, that the voice of the Satguru, the voice of the Master is qualitatively different from thoughts. All is phenomenal. All that appears after the birth of Consciousness can be said to be phenomenal. So, at that level, all is Consciousness and all is phenomenal. So know that when we are speaking even about intuition, we are still talking about appearance now. With phenomena there is always duality, there are differences. So now we are talking from a phenomenal level of: What are the differences between thoughts and intuition? So we see that in the Presence of pure Being, there can be some words that arise that seem like they have been dipped in honey. They come with this presence of Love, Peace and Joy. So these words we can call them coming from intuition. And it’s not necessary that this has to be in the verbal form. For some it can just be an image, you know, a sense that it has so much love and peace associated with it. It can be in any form. It can be a feeling also. So this is intuition of the voice of Consciousness, Beingness or the voice of Satguru itself, this voice is pointing you toward your Reality, showing you what you really are.

Now we can contrast this with the voice of the mind. The voice of the mind is, like we said, always saying ‘How can I become special?’ ‘What’s in it for me?’ is the mantra of the ego. So therefore a thought is always accompanied with some need, or some desire, or some aversion. And not only is it ‘what’s in it for me?’ it is also about ‘me first’, which is also specialness, isn’t it? ‘Me first’ or ‘me only.’ The worst case it operates like ‘it should only be me. I should be the only one free here. I should be the special one for my Master. I should stand out as the enlightened one’. All of this is voice of the mind, or we call them thoughts. So qualitatively you can sense the difference between the voice of the Being and the voice of the imagined one. Very good.

Zurim says, “Thank you for Satsang Beloved Father.” Very welcome. “I’ve been missing them for some reason since I came to live with my family.”

That’s okay, as long as you are here now. Everything is available right now. The Truth is here now. Very good.

[Zurim], “Just wanted to say thank you and Namaste to you.” Oh, so much love. Very good.

Ustreamer 291 says, “Is love and bhakti enough? And hugs.” Big hug to you my dear.

What does it mean when we say ‘bhakti’? Let’s look at this. True bhakti means that my Master or God or whatever we have faith in is doing everything and everything has been done by that One. And true bhakti also means that we see that if that is the One Doer, if my Master or God or Consciousness is the One Doer, then it is also the same who is the Experiencer. And we rely on this God to run our life. That is true bhakti. Completely unconcerned about what will appear because everything is God’s problem or the Master’s problem. You hand over your life to your Master. That is bhakti.

So we say, this bhakti is enough. And what will happen is as this bhakti deepens and deepens, you will see inevitably, you will come to the conclusion that this person who handed over everything to God was never here anyway. And the instant that this is seen that this person was never here anyway and surrender was only a realization that ‘I never did anything. There was no person here anyway’, then immediately you become a jnani.

So don’t have a sense of escapism about jnani. Same for the jnani’s. Many of the jnani’s have this tendency to say ‘all this devotion stuff is not for me. I’m too cool to put my head on somebody’s feet’. This arrogance of jnani is the same as the aversion that bhakta’s could have toward knowledge. You see? And the jnani’s will also become full bhakta’s and the bhakta’s will become full jnani’s. So if it is natural for you to just surrender, just surrender, just let go. In this letting go, everything…, no knowledge will be kept from you. You will see that you are the source of all the scriptures. And the jnani’s will see that their head’s are constantly bowed down to the Supreme Being. It is inevitable.

Clare says, “There’s a voice in me that is very authoritative and direct, and I’m not sure if it’s ego or not.”

Yes, this is very good you asked this. So any voice, whatever it is saying, for awhile now you let go of everything. Be completely empty first. Be completely empty first. And then you will start hearing my voice inside you. And you will recognize it to be the Satguru. You see? And when I say ‘my voice’ I’m not referring to Ananta ‘a person’s’ voice. It is this voice of the Satguru which speaks through here, it is not a personal voice. But you will recognize me in your own heart, and then this doubt will not be there. You see, this doubt, if it is there, it is best to just let go.

There can also be a phase where the mind and this kind of intuition gets mixed, so the mind will start using this emergence of this intuition and try to contaminate that in some way. It’s very sneaky, you see? So you just let go and surrender everything. Then you will have an unmistakable recognition one day and you will know that there is so much love and peace here. So it is not really the words of the voice. It’s not about the words that are being spoken. It is just about the Presence which is being felt. And this voice will carry the Presence of your own Being; these words will seem to come from you heart. So when in doubt, just let go.

Clare says, “Throwing everything and every action into your hands and heart.” This is enough. Very good.

Ananya says, “Wow, so beautiful, Father. It’s wonderful to see the distinction between the mind’s voice which carries some kind of an expectation or something in return,” (Exactly) “…and this pure being. No wants or needs. Resting at your feet, Father.” Very beautiful my dear. Very good.

Vivi says, “So much love. I can share something from my experience. Communing and being nameless in Satsangs with You and Sangha every day for many months opened my eyes. And it was very spontaneous and not done by anyone.” Very beautiful. Very good, my dear, very good.

Jayani says, “My children are not cooperating with my idea of how things should play out for me to attend satsang.” Yes.  “Placing frustration of what ‘I’ want into the fire.” Yes.

This is Satsang, isn’t it? To see that this can still arise, to see that this frustration or anger can still arise, is the most beautiful Satsang. That is Satsang. So Satsang is not just, as the Master says, not just chocolate flavored moments, not a comfortable place for a person. Satsang is a very uncomfortable place for the false. It’s very good that in super-quick time, life is exposing everything for you which still remains…, and quick, quick, quick, quick it is all going. It’s all going. Very good.

Fb200 says, (It used to be Jesse I’m not sure whether it still is?) “Namaste. Glad to see and hear you again. No questions, just silent love.” That is enough.

Clare, thank you.

Ustreamer8310 says, “I can accept the personhood as being imagined and false.” Very good. “In this acceptance the next logical thought is: How to be forgotten?”

You mean the personhood should be forgotten, isn’t it?

[Ustreamer8310], “Is it an error of ego to ask God to forget this me?”

No, you’re making it more difficult than it is. All that is required to be done is let go of your next thought. I know it will sound too simple to be true. The mind will say ‘it cannot be so easy’ ‘I must be forgotten’ or ‘I must be something’.

Even that you not be. Just simply let go of your next thought. This is freedom. Try it out.

Soham says, “Jayani, I do know this feeling.” Yes.

Rashmi says, “May all that needs to come up in this light of seeing, come and burn in your Presence.” Yes. This will definitely be.

Jayani says, “Yes Father, on high grill here.” Yes, very good. “All is Satsang. Also exposing specialness and non-specialness in the fire.” Very good. “These thoughts are not taken seriously, but giving them over anyway.” Very good.

Kapil says, “Thank you, Ananta, for holding my hand like a child’s hand and guiding me with so much love! Thank you!”

You’re so welcome. In handing over your hand like a child, it is done, in giving me your hand. And with this childlike innocence, it is done. There is no effort for me in this. It is my joy actually. Very good.

Jayani says, “Nothing, nothing, nothing.” Yes, nothing, nothing, nothing.

Jesse says, “Dear Guruji, it is still Jesse, but I feel I am only you.” Very beautiful. Very good. [Gazes lovingly at camera].

Jayani says, “It is done. Love you beyond, Father.” Love you, too.

Atma says, “It is done.”  [Gazes into camera]

Whatever it is, just hand it over. It is my job to collect all of this from you. All your troubles, all your pain, all your sorrow… just hand it over.

Not able to speak anything now, but I am reading all that you’re writing. So much love to all of you.

Thank you all so very much for joining in Satsang today.

[Namaste] Moojiji ki Jai! So much love to all of you. [Blows kisses and waves]

Sangha: Moojiji ki Jai! Anantaji ki Jai! Thank you. Love you.

Namaste everyone, a very warm welcome to satsang today. Moojiji ki Jai.

Thank you all so very much for joining in. If this is your first time in satsang, the way to ask questions is through the chat window. Namaste, everyone. Namaste.

So, what should we talk about today? [Silence]. Welcome, welcome.

Soham says, (and I’m not sure if this was a request to speak on this, but he says) “Divine Love.” He says ‘Divine Love’. So this sounds like a topic good enough to start with today. Very beautiful. Let’s speak about Divine Love.

So we’ve been contemplating actually the last few days about some of the forces like attention, like belief. Now let’s look at this energy of love, and what does it mean when we say ‘Divine Love’? So let’s look at what I feel to say about this Divine Love. We find that, in the pure Seeing, then there is the birth of this pure Being. See, in the pure Seeing, it is not even required to use the word ‘Divine’ because the pure Seeing is beyond any attribute at all. All we can say about the pure Seeing is just ‘the Awareness exists’ or ‘the Seeing or the Witnessing exists’. That’s all that we can say about the Absolute. But when Consciousness is born, when Being is born, then we can say that, as my Master says, ‘This is the deity of the waking state. This is the birth of God himself’. And this Being, we can use the word ‘Divine’ for this Being. And when this is ‘unassociated’ Being …, what does that mean? When the sense ‘I Am’ is unassociated with ‘I am  x, y, z’…, unassociated with ‘I am a person, I am the body, I am this, I am a husband, I am a partner, I am a son or I am a daughter’…, or any attribute, just unassociated Being is here. When this Being is left unassociated, then we find that automatically, in the Presence of this Being, there is so much Love that appears, so much Joy that appears, and so much Peace which appears.

So Divine Love, I would say, is the love which occurs spontaneously in the Presence of the unassociated Being. It’s almost like when this pure holy Presence is there, then all the gods of all of these forces…, the gods of Love, the gods of Peace, the gods of Joy, they all appear to pay their respects to this unassociated Being.

So, for all of you, this Divine Love is available, because you are this pure, unassociated Being. Ultimately you can say that even this Being arises within you; but it is alright to say that you are this unassociated Being. Everything else is just imagined. And when we let go of the imagination, when we let go of the misconceptions that we have about ourselves, we will find us immersed in this pure Divine Love.

What all of us must remember is not to chase even love. Because Being does not need love. Being does not need love. We can actually say that ‘Love enjoys the Presence of Being’. So Love is in service to Being; Being is not in service even to Love. Being is just Being. And in this ‘just Being’ all these beautiful forces are always in service to you; their light is always in service to you.

So, why is this ‘Divine Love’? Because it does not have a need. So in the human experience what is usually seen is that most often love & need are confused. So there is this pure Divine Love that we spoke about; then there is this human-mind’s version of what it thinks is love. You see? The human mind’s version of what it thinks is love; which is actually need. Love actually means full freedom, full freedom. It is our need for our relationships to be in a certain way which pulls out the freedom from these relationships. We say ‘I need my partner to be this way’ or ‘Why can’t he change (or she change) for me?’ See? This is not love. This is our own need which we are projecting, and calling it love. And we use the term love very lightly, and we say that ‘It is because I love you that I want you to change for me’. [Laughs] How funny is that? You see?

And love also becomes…, for the human mind, love also becomes deal making. Isn’t it? ‘I love you, therefore you must love me’. None of this is loud actually. See, when we take the mind’s version of anything at all, even the most beautiful thing, if you were to go to the mind’s version of it or the mind’s interpretation of it, then it will cease to look beautiful to us. If we buy the interpretation of anything at all, then it loses its reality; then it loses its vitality because then we are leading a second-hand life.

You see, what is, is. What is, Is. It is this mind interpreting ‘what is’. And if you’re leading the life of this mind, then we’re leading a second-hand life. Our life is then based only on interpretations, not on ‘what is’. So, living the life of these interpretations. See that life is ‘what is’. Then you see that you are so full of Love, so full of Peace and Joy. Like my Master jokes and says ‘Too much Love, too much Peace, too much Joy’. We’ll find no lack of anything at all. When unassociated Being, True Love automatically arises. This is Divine Love.

This is good? Very good. Atma says, “Yes, I hear you.”  Good.

And this is the same Love that we feel in the Presence of the Master, because it is the same Being that is the True Master. Your own Being is the True Guru, the Satguru. And in the appearance also, there are those Beings which embody just this True Master, then in that Presence also…, not necessarily the physical presence, but when there is openness in you to the Presence of this Master, who could be the embodiment of the Truth, then also this Divine Love is felt.

Ananya says, “This True Love feels Universal, Father.”

Yes. It’s completely Universal. It’s completely Universal, but don’t create this conception that ‘Then every Being I meet, I will have the same relationship with them as my special relationship or my partner, then I should not …’ Some of us also take it the other way around, where in our relationships in life, we’re like ‘You’re just like all the other children; there’s nothing that I feel for you which is different’. You see? This is not coming from the place of reality. Because the Self has no trouble playing out any relationship. The Self has no trouble playing the role of a father or a son. And in this pure spontaneity of the Self, all that is required to be said will appear. Pure fatherly love can come. Pure brotherly love can come. You see? So don’t force this thing that ‘I must now greet everyone equally’. That becomes another ego trap actually, another mind trap. But you will feel this Universal love for ALL Beings; unforced, naturally. Very good.

Prema says, “Tears, Father.”  Beautiful, Prema…

Rashmi says, “So beautiful this is, Father. It probably wouldn’t have made any sense a few months ago.”

Actually most of life does not make sense when we believe we know a lot. This is a contradiction which is so beautiful. Any time that we believe that we know so much, nothing will make sense. And it is so frustrating because we’re trying to know more, we’re trying to know more, we’re trying to understand the working of life. And life just ends up frustrating us more and more because we try to control the pattern of life by knowing it. But nobody has been able to control their life. And when we let go of knowing, when all intellectual knowledge is let go of, then we see that very naturally all these words coming from your own Being are making so much sense. You see? Because your cup is empty now. You’re not attached to any concepts. All concepts are seen as meaningless now, and then the beautiful patterns of life will make more and more sense. Intuitive sense, you see? Not a mental or intellectual sense.

You see every time we bind ourselves in some concept, then life will stop making sense. Even now, you know, if you want to play with it, just pretend to bind yourself in some concept; believe that they are true. And you will see that everything around you stopped making sense immediately. And when we let go, we stop resisting, we stop analyzing, and we stop believing the interpreter; then everything we see is unfolding in a beautiful pattern. And this doesn’t mean that automatically all events will become beautiful. But you will see the background of beauty even in the seemingly-horrific happenings. You will see that pure Beingness itself is the doer of all events. Then you will not come to the restaurant of life and ask for a menu. You will just say ‘Whatever is available is perfect for me’ because you have no concepts of what is good for you and what is bad for you; you have no concepts of what should appear and what should not appear. In this way, all desire and aversion is wiped away. Whatever is appearing, is appearing; that’s it.

See, most Beings spend most of their life trying to control what is appearing; trying to control what is appearing and what must not go. [Laughs]. It’s completely futile. Trying to control this play of appearances and disappearances is completely futile, and filled with suffering. Just let go, and see how everything just appears in its own beautiful way. That’s why we say that the Universe does not make mistakes and it has perfect timing. The Universe makes no mistakes.

Atma says, “Father, here is seen so much freedom (if I can say like that). Much joy, much of all, and yet a peace is all around in me. Peace is everywhere.”  Very beautiful. “Events are mostly not so beautiful.”  Yes.

You see, this is so beautiful; that the events are not so beautiful. In the typical convention, we would not call them beautiful events. And yet, there is so much Peace, so much Love and Joy. This is what happens when you are open to the Presence of the Satguru in your own heart.

Rashmi says, “How beautiful this maya is. Everything that is happening around is showing me what is left to transcend.”

This is very beautiful. Those who desire freedom in their heart will find that everything is pointing you back home. It’s very beautiful.

Atma says, “At your feet, beloved Father.”  So much love, my dear.

Naomi says, “Being a parent of a teen has tested my desire to love deeply.” [Nods head]. “If I walk this way, she walks the other way. Need to drop the mind and be present in love and let life unfold.”

Yes. So beautiful. So beautiful. I completely understand what you say. My son is also a few months, about a month away from becoming a teenager actually. And he’s entering that phase that anything his father does, he must walk the opposite direction. It’s not cool enough for him. And this can happen, isn’t it? I remember it was exactly the same here as well. There were these years where I completely wanted to be the opposite of what my father was. Yes, so beautifully you’ve already said ‘Need to drop the mind and be present in love and let life unfold’. Yes. Love never fails. You see, strategies might fail, mind tactics will fail, but love never fails; even though it might seem to fail momentarily, but ultimately love never fails. Very beautiful.

So quiet today, isn’t it? Very good. Usually I’m struggling to keep up with the chat. It’s the ‘contemplations’ maybe, no? Because we have been contemplating such deep forces like attention and belief, then you will find more and more that you are running out of words. It’s so beautiful.

Who are all of you if you not sages? Who are all of you if you not sages who could contemplate these things? Hmm? Only the sages could have looked at these primal forces like attention, like belief. And such clear looking. I’ve been reading some of your reports, and there is such clear seeing happening for all of you. So beautiful.

So, none of you are followers here. We are not sheep, that we will be followers. I have no interest in creating any followers. You are the light of the Satguru himself. And in your light, the Universe is taken care of. The ego cannot prevail in your light.

Amaya has a question. She says, “Silence so beautiful. But maybe I will ask.”  Yes.  “You were speaking of Consciousness not being involved in the play, of course, of things which happen or come up. But it ‘does it all’ (is the doer). About this?”   Yes. This is very beautiful.

So, the way to understand this is to say that although the light…, (in the movie), the light from the projector; we can say ‘the light of Consciousness’, or ‘Consciousness itself is the light’. But the light is un-involved in the movie, isn’t it? It is projecting the entire movie. In that way, we can say ‘It is the One doer of all’.

But is the light itself concerned about what is being projected, about what is being shown in the movie? The light does not care. It does not care whether it is a comedy or a musical. It is just being light. So, see? Being is just Being, and yet it is called the doer of all; because in this light, all this movie seems to play out. You see? It is not concerned by the play, and yet it is the One that is playing.

So, ultimately that is a good way to look at it. Of course, jokingly we can say that ‘Consciousness was this, and Consciousness did this, and Consciousness is suffering now, and Consciousness is teaching now’…, but not truly. Truly it is just the light which is unconcerned with this play. You see? Very good. Excellent question.

Atma says, “No followers here.”  Yes.

Ustreamer488 says, “Namaste, Father. Just wake up.”

‘Just WOKE up’? I’m presuming? [Laughs]. Either they just woke up, or I’m seeming too sleepy in satsang today, and they’re telling me to ‘Just wake up!’

Atma says, “I have never been one (follower). Only love is here.”  Very good.

Amaya says, “So much love. So happy; not much interest in concepts really any longer.”  Yes. You’ll find not much interest in any concept. “..or if I totally understand. Just Love and Presence, and drop the next thought.”  Very beautiful.

In dropping the next thought, it is enough. In dropping the next thought, it is enough. So all the contemplations, all sadhana, all practice are just giving you this ability to drop the next thought. And if you don’t pick up any thought at all, then there is no need for even any contemplation or practice. So all the practices, all the sadhana, is just meant to build your muscles to drop the next thought, you see? Dropping the next thought is the culmination of all practice.

Amaya says, ‘Great answer about that. Thank you.”  Thank you so much, my dear.

Naomi says, “Very beautiful analogy, ‘Just the light’.”   Yes.

[Laughs]. Atma is laughing about the ‘wake up’ thing.

Rashmi says, “Father, a question arises. What is with music and love? Does this question make sense?”

Music is very primal. And some music has so much power to make us realize our reality. So when you hear, for example, a Bach piece, ‘Air’…, if you’ve heard ‘Air’ on the G string by Bach, you feel that this is heaven actually. So it is beautiful; a beautiful, very primal force in a sense, which truly has the ability to bring us in touch with our reality. And with these kind of pieces, bhajans …, different kinds of music obviously works for different people; it could be cultural conditioning, it could be past life, whatever you say…, but it does have this power, which is unexplainable. Why it works like that, nobody can say. But it does have this power. These notes, when they are heard, they point us back to something. And in the Presence of Being in this reality, then love is bound to arise. Also we feel, when there is so much Love here, that automatically something wants to sing, isn’t it? So there is a strong correlation.

Maybe someone who has studied this topic more…, and I believe there is a book also called ‘What is Music?’ I’ve not read it, so I won’t recommend it yet. But if somebody has studied this, what is music and how it works, I would be very happy for you to share. Very good.

Cornelia says, “Father, your eyes are the space in which I am drowning and dissolve.”

Yes. You see, they are your eyes. They are your eyes. They are your eyes without conditioning. And when you let go of the next thought, we let go of conditioning. No conditioning can apply without belief in thought. And when your eyes are not murky with this conditioning, then it is the light of this Being itself. They are the eyes of Being itself. So they are actually your eyes. In the eyes of your Master, you can find your own True Self, your own True Being.

This is what happened when I met Mooji also. I went up and sat on the ‘hot seat’ and just looked into his eyes. And the false identity just dissolved. [Laughs]. You see, outwardly there were still some actions happening. All that laughing, crying; whatever was happening was happening. But it was seen that there is no one here who is doing any of this. I could see no distance between him and me, no distance between myself and the hall, no distance between anything at all; all was happening inside. See? This is the power of what can happen in the looking into the eyes of that which is without any conditioning.

Rashmi says, “Some ragas just resonate so deeply here.”  Yes. “Feel your Presence in them…, some Enya pieces.”  Yes, some Enya pieces are so beautiful. Yes. “Music probably resonates with the vibration within.”  Yes.

Cornelia says, “Thank you, Anantaji. So much love.”  Thank you so much, my dear.

Shinein says, “Is contemplation a form of separation, or primal separation?”

‘Is contemplation a form of separation?’ Maybe you need to expand on that a little bit. Let’s take an example of when contemplation could be a form of separation. So, let’s say, when we say ‘Who am I?’ So actually true contemplation, I would say, starts from the perspective of some sense of separation, and is meant to dissolve this separation in the Oneness itself. So let’s take the most renowned form of self-discovery; let’s say ‘Who am I?’ Typically when this question is asked, it is presumed that there is a seeker who is seeking to understand who the seeker-entity is. And if the contemplation is true, it will lead to the end of suffering. Like Bhagavan [Ramana Maharshi] said that ‘If there is still a feeling that there is someone here who can do some effort, then we must take the self-effort and do self-inquiry’. And then, at the end of the self-inquiry, it will be seen that all this contemplation was also done by grace himself, that God himself was doing all of this. You see?

But the mind can quickly pick up these concepts and say ‘Why should I say ‘Who am I?’ Doesn’t that mean separation?’ and very quickly pick up separation in all other things, but not in contemplation. So sometimes we have to see whether the trickster is playing, or whether it is now seen completely that everything is One, and hence now no contemplation is needed; because suffering is gone. But as long as we feel that there is some suffering, that ‘I am suffering’…, as long as there is a feeling ‘I am suffering’ then we can continue to contemplate, we can continue to self-inquire.

It is very good. So just confirm if this was the question you were asking. If there’s something left in it, we can look at it some more as well.

[Long silence, gazing lovingly into camera].

Shinein says, “Yes, it was stuck, the feeling of contemplation; I was leaving this Being, or extending? Was a little confused.”

So, no true contemplation is to be done with the mind. See, if you’re trying to find just mental answers then that is not a true contemplation. A true contemplation is just to look. So when we say, for example: ‘What is attention?’ we are not looking for a mental answer, not looking for any knowledge. It’s like saying ‘Are you aware now?’ and the checking happens very automatically. No mind is required to answer this. In the same way, when we say ‘Contemplate: what is attention?’ it is just a looking.

The mind cannot help us with this anyway. It is something which comes much later, so it knows nothing about attention, belief, Consciousness, you see? So, what we call contemplation…, and I know that the word can be a little confusing like that…, so when we say ‘contemplation’ we are just saying ‘the simple looking’. Not believing our thoughts about it; just seeing. So, what is this attention? And we see. Simple, like this.

So, we’re not making any work out of it. When any of you are contemplating something, don’t make any work out of it. Just very naturally…, it’s a very peaceful, stilling process actually. Yes, for some of you, the mind will come strongly, resisting, resisting; but just keep letting go. No rush. Just beautifully can be seen like that.

Because like we said, the answer is not of interest to us. The verbal answer is not at all of interest to me. It is just this contemplation itself, this looking. Just a simple looking. You see? And it can be made even simpler. It’s like we say, a simple contemplation could be: ‘Can attention go to multiple things at the same time?’ Then we say ‘Where is attention?’ Can it truly see two things together perfectly? These are simple contemplations; and the mind cannot help us. So, we just play around and see ‘Okay, can I look at this box and this phone clearly at the same time? Can attention be like that? Or is attention limited to focusing on…’ Just something like that. And then we say ‘Does it exist; when attention is not on it, how can we say that it exists?’ You see, they are just simple games. Just simple contemplations. But really helpful to let go of thoughts.

Naomi says, “Very grateful for your explanation of contemplation. What can be said about the body or form’s behavior? For instance, the compulsive behaviors like snacking or <censored> all the time feels very mindless, but feels like it is of the mind.”  Yes.

You see, when we are living the life of the interpreter, then the interpreter convinces us that this is what is needed for happiness. So when we find some of these compulsive tendencies, it is because of a few mis-beliefs. First that there is a mis-belief that ‘I need something’. See, many of these people that suffer from these compulsive disorders say ‘I feel that there’s a big, dark hole inside me which needs to be filled up’. You know? ‘And this hole I’m trying to fill up by eating’ or something like that they say. So, first to see whether there can ever be any lack inside you in the first place.

Without believing the interpreter, can we find any lack? Is this really this hole or something missing? And you will see that you are completely full, completely full. It is only, like you said, it is of the mind; and it is the trickster that is saying ‘You are not full yet’. And in believing that there is some lack in your life, then you try to fill it up with something. You see, all these addictions come from there. It could be eating, it could be television; it could be any addiction. You see? It could be alcohol, trying to fill something which we feel is missing, and fill it with something which we think has the potential to make us full again. But no material object can do that.

So it’s very good for those who seemingly have some compulsive behaviors to be in the Presence of satsang; and as they find that the hole of the mind weakens, if there’s a little openness there, then it will find that the hole of the mind is weakening, and this compulsive behavior will start getting reduced and hopefully finish off.

Jayani says, “Ah, missed satsang this a.m., will catch up later.”  Sure, my dear.

Shinein, thank you.

Kapil says, “Thank you, Ananta, for the explanation of contemplation. It really helped.”  Yes.

So, none of you should make hard work out of it, or even make a badge of honor out of it. None of you should feel that ‘We are the contemplators now. I am part of the contemplating group. See the others? They are not contemplating at all’. Form no such delusions. Just let go of all these thoughts. And, just simply…, if the question was ‘Let go of attention’ and if there was an inclination just to look, just simply look: ‘So, where is attention now?’  It’s that simple; that simple.

[Beautiful, long silence, looking into camera].

Atma says, “Thank you, Father, so much love.”

Naomi says, “Thank you so very much, and so grateful for you, Ananta, and this satsang. So much love.”  So much love to you, too.

Ustreamer50 says, “Head bowed, hands folded in prayer, to the Presence of my own Self gazing at me from my PC. So much love, Ananta.”  So much love to you, too. Good.

So much love, Lizelle.

Thank you all so very much for being in satsang today. Very beautiful.

[Namaste]. Moojiji ki Jai !

Clare says something. She says, “Dear Ananta, I say it in my heart but just want to type it as well: Throwing all badges of honor, all separation, all personality into your holy fire.” Very beautiful. Good.

Ananya says, “Such beautiful contemplations, Father. So much love.”

So much love to you. [Blows kiss and waves]

Sangha: Moojiji ki Jai !  Anantaji ki Jai ! Thank you. Love you.

The first question was ‘What is attention?’

And it has a sub-part which is ‘Is attention born before or after the sense I Am?’ And this one is a bit of a trick question. So, this is the first question. ‘What is attention, and when is it born; before or after the sense I Am?’

The second question is ‘What is belief?’

You see very often we speak about these forces. Isn’t it? That the energy of a thought will come, and then two forces will come. First the force of attention goes on it and then, for it to cause suffering, it needs the force of belief also to work on it. So that when both attention and belief are given to a thought we say it has the potential for future suffering. See? So we are exploring both these forces now. So the second question was ‘What is belief?’

And the third question is ‘What is identity?’

Because very quickly we say ‘I got identified with something. This identity was there. The personhood was there’. You see? But can we look at and see ‘What is identity?’

The Bonus question: ‘Does any phenomenon exist before our attention is on it?’

Namaste everyone. A very warm welcome to satsang today. Moojiji ki Jai.

Thank you so much for joining in satsang. And if this is your first time in satsang know that the way to ask questions is through the chat window.

Clare says she has a friend, Kim, with her today. Very welcome, Kim. Good to have you with us. Namaste everyone. Welcome, welcome, welcome.

It’s so funny that, we speak about this often but for some of you that are new, somehow the Universe creates a theme for satsang. And I find that most questions in a particular period of time, maybe this week, are clumped together around a particular topic. The topic for this week seems to be ‘doubt’. Or at least the last few days, the topic seems to be ‘doubt’. In one way or the other I’ve been getting questions about doubt and specifically doubt around the Master and the spiritual path.

It’s very good that this doubt is exposed. And in the past also when Beings have asked me, some have asked me very directly actually that ‘I doubt you’. When the question comes with so much honesty and integrity it is so beautiful. So Beings have asked, in satsang, ‘I doubt you’. And I feel that to say that you must doubt completely in the beginning. It is completely okay to doubt in the beginning. And if this doubt is coming, don’t feel that you must push it aside. Don’t feel that you must resist the doubt. Let the doubt play out.

And then the question remains ‘How do I know? How do I know that I have come to a genuine Master?’ And we’re not just talking about satsang here. We’re talking about any Master. ‘How do I know that I’ve come to a true Master?’ Or ”How do I know that this Master is right for me or not?’ ‘How do I know whether the Master is right for me or not?’ So I have some tips for all of you. I have some tips for all of you. [Laughing]

The first tip is; Do you feel some peace in the Presence of this Master? Do you feel that a sense of peace comes? And this sense of peace is deeper than the mind. Because it can happen that in the Presence of the Master, the mind goes very strong. It starts throwing all kinds of resistance. But you find, underneath all of this there is an un-shaking sense of peace in the Presence of this Being. This peace you can trust. So this is the first tip.

The second tip is that; you might get the sense of coming home. You might get this sense that ‘It’s all his problem now. Nothing needs to be done by me’. So, this sense of surrender or sense of coming home. It can sometimes feel like a very primitive feeling of being at home. You know, almost nostalgic in a sense sometimes. So this sense is there. Then also, you can feel that you are in the Presence of your teacher.

And when this peace arises and this sense of trust arises, then no label is also required. No label is required. Nothing is required here that you must call me your Teacher or Guru or anything like that. I am not interested in any followers. It just seems to be my joy to point you to what you really are, what you already are: The ever-present Self. There is no interest here in cultivating a large group of followers.

In fact my feeling here is that the sangha itself, all of you, will spread so much light of Truth onto this world.

So the Presence of peace, the feeling of surrender or coming home, are beautiful pointers. And also you can check if there is some sense of exploitation, if there’s any sense of manipulation. And if you feel that there is no such thing, then you will feel that you are at home with a true Master.

I’ve seen the mind’s tricks a lot. In my own journey, I’ve seen what all the mind has said about various Masters. You see. It says things like ‘He’s only after money’. It says things like ‘Is he really free?’ All these kinds of things can be said. Isn’t it? ‘Is he really bothered about my freedom?’ And it is so beautiful that these memories are there. It’s so beautiful that these memories are there.

So here now, in the Sangha of Being, we’ve made it very simple. There is no monetary transaction for anything at all. Not a single rupee or donation has been accepted here. So that takes away this mind’s objection that ‘Is he in it for the money?’

Those who have interacted with me will know that I am truly interested in the communion or the conversation when it is freedom that is being discussed. You captivate me with your powerful questions about the truth. The other things are not so much of interest, but they can flow very naturally. Of course we fool around at times in chat or when we meet. We have fun. Freedom is not a state of a completely boring, morose life; where we’re always talking Advaita all the time. In fact, it was earlier before I met Mooji, that there was a lot more inclination here to speak Advaita. Now words come only if there is some openness where the words are being received. There is no motivation here to speak about knowledge to Beings who are not open at all.

So if doubt is coming or doubt has been there, then doubt completely. Doubt completely and then do all your process, understand.  But then, if you get over your doubt, then leave this ‘doubting Thomas’ called the mind aside. And then you trust. Then you trust. And if there is even a little bit of openness I can tell you, that just in a few satsangs, words like stress, words like suffering, words like despair, motivation, aversion, desire, all of these words will lose their bite. And when they are used in reference to you, you will wonder how you could ever be one of these things. This is the power of satsang.

Okay there’s been a lot of chat. Let’s catch up. Welcome back Ginger, welcome back.

Clare says, “Kim asks ‘Please, could you send a blessing for the glands in her neck’. Thank you.”      Yes. So much love to you.

Shanti says, “Yes. It is just so clear here. Peace and complete trust.”

Atma says, “Yes. I feel that; the peace in the Presence. Never doubted you.”  Yes. “Coming home. Yes.”

Amrita says, “Now I think back, I completely trusted you. Even when I thought you weren’t my Guru.”      Yes. [Laughing]    “Every word you said; never occurred to doubt you.”

Then the label Guru also is not required, isn’t it? When the trust is present, then so much faith is there.

Stacy says, “It’s all your problem now. Very grateful. Thank you Father.”     Yes. I’m very happy to take all your problems.

Atma says, “From the first look at the photo, you and Mooji, I knew it was you.”

Amrita says, “Yes, in my case too, there was so much peace that was all that was needed.

Rashmi says, “Somehow there has never been even an iota of doubt here, Father.”

Atma says, “So happy. Tears. So happy it is you.”

Dee says, “Thank you, beloved Anantaji. I am home with a true Master, no doubt whatsoever.”      Yes, [Big Smile]  That was not the intent of what I was saying. But I accept your love. Thank you so much.

I was talking about when the feeling of doubt comes it is good not to resist, to let it just come and some pointers as how to clarify. Because the mind can be a big pest with this kind of thing, and if you don’t give it specific pointers to examine then this doubting mind will keep pestering us. Even during satsang it will keep saying all kinds of nonsense.

Therefore, all of you, I know that you love me so much, and I love you so much, and that we are One.

Rashmi says, “Someone once told me how I would know if I am on the right path. He said “how do you know that your thirst is quenched after drinking water.”      [Chuckling] This is very beautiful.

Atma says, “So many years of searching you and finally I found you.”     So sweet.

Kapil says, “Thank you, Ananta, for these pointers! And yes, it’s all your problem now!”     Very good.

Shanti says, “Yes, and like you said, all is One. Guru and disciple is an illusion. You are the sign that I have found ‘That’ in me that is qualified to look deeper, through your eyes. We are all each other Masters.”

Rashmi says,” The thirst is quenched here, Father, after having found Mooji and you.”     Very good.

Atma says, “Father you are Beyond all. No word can explain love you are.”

Shanti says, “It’s really just Life that is the Master manifested in the world. My daughter is a great Master. But, I recognize you as the Ultimate, final word.”

And not ‘you’…, I know that when you say ‘you’ you’re not referring to the person. It is the voice which is using this body/mind as an instrument.

Rolf says, “Freedom and truth. Thank you, Anantaji, you spoke (and speak every time) very nice, effortlessly and naturally.”    [Laughing] Thank you.

Zoe says, “My heart had a prayer that my mind didn’t know. You are the answer to that prayer, beloved Father.”    So sweet. Thank you, my dear.

It’s like what Om said yesterday. “You are the answer to the prayer I never knew I had.”

Prema says, “100% Trust since the first moment I saw you on camera. Just Love, Peace and Joy.”     Yes. I remember Prema.

Louise says, “Father, feeling a little confused about this. I truly feel like there is no doubt for you and what you speak. But something feel that if this were really true, then the truth of what you say would be recognized here instantly. Seems there is some doubt here somewhere.”

It is not necessary that it is that way. You see, what happens is when something is said, you feel that it is true. Because it is coming from this voice, I know you feel in your heart that this is true. It is just because conditioning has been on for so long in this phenomenal time, for many lifetimes maybe millions of years, that is why this Truth…, it seems like it takes a little while of defrosting or sinking in. You see? That’s why my Master also says it’s the process of ‘marinating in the Truth’.

If it were that simple, that Truth could just be spoken and within the first minutes of the first satsang everyone would just be free from all doubt, then that is a very, very rare occurrence. Usually it takes this time of defrosting, of marinating, to allow ourselves this gradual process of freedom.

So the doubt for the Master is actually nothing, nothing but the doubt for our own true Self. Therefore for many of you this kind of question ‘Am I really free now?’…, although the Teacher has said that you are always free, the question ‘Am I really free now?’ will still have some juice. Isn’t it?

Om said, “Father you are so amazing. Just knowing you are with me is enough. What needs to happen can happen now. I love you so much.”     I love you too my dear. [Said with a big smile and loving gaze]

So when I say that ‘You are free right here, right now’ these words are heard by most of you. But it’s just that prior conditioning has been nourished. And in letting go of our thoughts we are letting of this prior conditioning now. And it can seem to sometimes take a while. But I know that you are completely free. Therefore I can never doubt you. I can never even doubt your freedom. For me actually I feel that in any conversation that we have, no matter how short, I feel that the next Buddha is being born, actually. All conversations in satsang have the potential of the next Buddha being born.

If the Master was to doubt us and say ‘Oh I doubt whether this one will ever get it’ or ‘I doubt whether this one is really free or not’ then we’d all be in trouble actually. So my Master has shown me since the moment I met him that he has never considered me anything but free. And that is the same for all Beings he always meets. He has never considered any Being which he has come across as something other than himself. And that is why, in spite of all of your own testimony, I can never buy any bondage that all of you have. You are ever-free.

Atma says, “Thank you, Father, for these words.”    Very welcome.

Jayani says, “Father, in the True meeting of the Master no questioner remains. When I first met Mooji I was home. This is so beyond question. His light I see in your eyes. It’s all the same. Doubt is nothing more than thought.  Ideas believed in.”

Atma says, “Thank you, thank you, thank you. Such [something censored] at your feet.

Jayani says, “Father, can you please speak about attention, belief and identification as posted in the chat. If you feel?”

In a few days. I feel that this contemplation seems to be pushing a lot of buttons for many of you, therefore it is very good. So, maybe just on this contemplation, I hold back a little bit and not provide instant ‘fast food’ answers, and let it do its work which I know that it is doing. With this beautiful contemplation, you can read all the scriptures in the world and they will sound so basic to you. In your own Seeing this will happen. And now I’ve even given some hints, isn’t it? I’ve even given some hints.

The first hint was ‘What is the difference between Awareness and attention?’ All of us can do this, even those who are not on the chat can ask this question: ‘What is the difference between Awareness and attention?’ And I’ve given a very simple hint also, it says: ‘one of them is limited and the other is unlimited’. So this is one of the differences I’ve pointed to, but there is some commonality as well. Isn’t it? I know if I keep going I will spoil this entire contemplation for you, but I won’t. See? But I’ve given you a nice starting point now.

Amrita says, “I know; such a beautiful point made! What if the Master doubted the student?”     Yes. Just not possible.

Zoe says, “Father, this is Mike’s last satsang before he goes to sea for five weeks.”

I see. But we can still be in touch. Isn’t it? We can chat like we did earlier. I’m so glad you made it to some satsangs with us. So happy. So much love to you, beloved one. [Looking into the screen, sending love and blessings] Give me all your troubles, all that bothers you; Let it be mine now. You are forever free. You are the pure Awareness which is Witnessing the play of this entire universe, forever untouched by any of this. So much love. Very good.

Jayani says, “Thank you Father.”

[Big smile] I feel like this is the first time ever that I say ‘No, I will not answer the question’ [Laughing] and I’m really sorry about that, but I feel that there is something beautiful awaiting all of you in these contemplations. And if it is pushing some buttons then that is the best. It is ‘mission accomplished’ actually for me. That’s very good. And I’m enjoying it also, I must say. It’s very good like that. [Smiling and laughing]

Stacy says, “Yes, this contemplation won’t leave me.”     That’s very good. Yes.

Louise says, “No more words about doubt any more father.”    Very good.    “It doesn’t even feel like it has the power it seemed to have before.”     Very good!

Yes. That is why it is so good to expose these concepts. And I’m very happy to speak about all of these openly. So all of you can share these openly. I love a conversation where somebody comes and says ‘I doubt. I doubt you know what you’re talking about. I doubt you. I doubt whether.., I doubt everything about you’. You know? What integrity in this conversation. But if he was just denying it, or if it was hiding somewhere and this revealing was not happening, then it could carry on for a much longer time.

You see there are many Beings, many Beings that even I have seen in my Masters sangha, who nurtured these doubts for long, long years. And they struggled with it just inside themselves, and eventually something made them leave. You see? This doubt can keep festering, festering, festering like that and it can make you leave. I would much rather, actually, before any of you decide to leave, I would much rather you say that ‘I disagree with you’. I would much rather you say that ‘I don’t find any Peace in your Presence’. You can say ‘When I look into your eyes, I don’t find the Truth’. You see? ‘And that is why there is something, I feel to leave’. But if you just let it fester inside and let it just, like a termite, eat away at you then you are always looking for reasons to get out of the sangha. Always looking for reasons to get out of the Presence of Truth. So just expose. [Softly laughing] I’m not even sure why these words are coming up. But it’s very good.

Dee says, “Yes, the contemplation is really beautiful.” Thank you, my dear.

Atma says, “We see that you’re enjoying it.”   Yes. [Laughing]

Shanti says, “I love that you point and let us follow the pointing to reach the same understanding.”    Yes.    “This shows great faith and proves that the Truth is the same for everyone.”     Yes.      “Just by looking, it will be found.”

You see, I’m preparing all of you to be the lights of the universe. And you will start relying on your own intuitive voice, the voice of the Satguru which is already present in all of your hearts, to come to these answers. You see? We’ve all been learning how to ride the bicycle and I’ve been holding the bike behind while you started peddling. Now it’s good to test without holding for some time, but I am always there and I will not let you fall. You see? [Soft laughter] Very good.

Ginger says, “I doubt what you are to me, yet I love you.”  [Laughing] So beautiful.  “There is no doubt with Mooji.  No doubt he brought me to you. This trust keeps me here. The doubt is an itch but I don’t trust it. I find myself here with you.”     Oh! So beautiful! Look at this! There is so much beauty in this. You see?

None of you should ever feel that I would not want to read a report like this. I find so much truth, so much integrity in this. So beautiful. I love you too, my dear.

[Chuckling] Thank you Atma.

Amrita says, “This is the best classroom ever.”

Dee says, “I have been marinating quietly.”      Very good.

Atma says, “Yes, Amrita, I agree.”

Jayani says, “Father, sometimes mind says ‘Moojiji is my only Master’ and creates some hierarchy. All nonsense, but exposing. I don’t take any of this seriously.”      Yes.

If you were to say ‘Moojiji is my only Master’ you would have no problem from here. Nothing better can be said. Nothing better can be said. He is the only Master. Very good.

Ishani says, “Father, I think I was trying to ask you this but wasn’t successful. The attention is seen as being in Awareness or moving when in interaction. If attention is going out, it is brought back but in reality Awareness is all there is. Yet attention is seen to move sometimes.”      Yes. [Pauses before responding]

I’m working really hard not to ruin the contemplation for you, you see. [Laughing] That’s very good.

Jayani says, “All the same.”     Of course.

You see, I can say both that ‘Me and my Father are one’ and at the same time, I can also say that ‘I am not even a mere toenail on my Father’s feet’. I see no dichotomy in this.

Atma says, “What a challenge for you not to speak about it.”     Yes. [Chuckling]

Ishani says, “Yes, Father, it is so beautiful to feel so much love for another and know you are all there is. So much love.”

Jayani says, “Yes, Father. I love you so much.  Laughter and tears.”

Love you too, my dear. Love you, Atma. [Looking lovingly at screen] Thank you. Thank you.

Is there somebody here who doesn’t know about which contemplation we are speaking of? And we can ask those questions. I’m presuming most of you know, but if someone is here who doesn’t know which contemplation we are speaking of and would like to contemplate some topics…, Loney.

Loney says, “Yes, I don’t know.” Okay. So Loney, the first contemplation is ‘What is attention?’ And there is a sub-part to this which is…

Yes, Dorthe also says, “Will you say the contemplation again?”      And maybe one of you can type as we say them, type them out so that others can make a note of it.

[Contemplations]:

The first question was ‘What is attention?’

And it has a sub-part which is ‘Is attention born before or after the sense I Am?’ And this one is a bit of a trick question. So, this is the first question. ‘What is attention, and when is it born; before or after the sense I Am?’

The second question is ‘What is belief?’

You see very often we speak about these forces. Isn’t it? That the energy of a thought will come, and then two forces will come. First the force of attention goes on it and then, for it to cause suffering, it needs the force of belief also to work on it. So that when both attention and belief are given to a thought we say it has the potential for future suffering. See? So we are exploring both these forces now. So the second question was ‘What is belief?’

And the third question is ‘What is identity?’

Because very quickly we say ‘I got identified with something. This identity was there. The personhood was there’. You see? But can we look at and see ‘What is identity?’

So these are the three questions we just came up with very playfully in some conversation yesterday and they seem to be working very well actually.

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Louise has a question. She says, “Father is it arrogance to feel I have nothing to expose? Exposing there is fear that something will be exposed, maybe this is what is needed to be exposed. Fear of having something which is arrogance.”     So beautiful. I hope all of you can read this. It is so beautiful.

So eventually, in these words, something got seen which is saying that maybe there is a fear of being arrogant. Fear of having something which is arrogance. This is so beautiful. Very good.

The trickster will not be able to work on any of you now. You’re shining so much light, so much light into all of this. It has no room to operate now. Very beautiful.

And Ginger says, “That is a common fear for me too.”     It’s very good to expose this. And in exposing this the light of your own Being is shining on all of this and it will not be found. Soon it will not be found-any of this.

Just stay in Satsang. All of you, just stay in satsang. As we say we have only one rule. No practices, nothing to be done at all. Just stay in satsang.

Jayani says, “Yes. Here too”    Yes. This is a common fear then, isn’t it?

Loney says, “What do you mean by ‘born’? I am referring to the contemplations, which I will enjoy.”      Yes.

When does this force of attention arise? When does it give birth? When does it arise?

So first we know that there is just this pure Awareness, pure Seeing. When does this sense of attention or the force of attention arise? Is it before the sense of I Am or after?

Clare says, “And here.”     Ah, so Louise exposed something which was festering in many. Isn’t it?      “May any arrogance here be dissolved fully in your love.”     Yes, Amen to that.

Yes, Stacy says, “Father, there is a bonus contemplation too.”     Yes. Maybe you can type that out as well and I don’t remember actually. What was that? Which one was the bonus one? We can type it here my dear.

Narasim Hamurthy is here. He says, “Being here is so blissful.”     So happy you’re here. Very good.

Kapil says, “Love it every time you say “Just stay in satsang”.     Yes. Just stay in satsang.

Louise says, “Please, Father, if the mind ever takes me away from satsang, which I do not feel it has the power to do, do not let me go.”     [Looking compassionately at the screen and softly laughing] It’s a deal! It’s a deal.

Vivi says, “Yes. May any arrogance here be burnt in Satsang.”     Very beautiful.

Loney says, “Thank You. One more question. I am very aware not to turn on the mind too much, how do you contemplate without the mind?”     Very good question.

I’m glad you asked this because I don’t want any answers from the mind. No answers from the mind. I want answers from the same place ‘Are you being now? Are you aware now?’ Is the mind required for these answers? I’m not even interested in the answer actually. Not interested in the answer, only in the looking itself. So from the same place where you answer ‘Are you aware now?’ From that place these contemplations can be done. No mental exercise in this.

Ishani says, “Father, feels like I Am is the attention which moves from objects to itself and to infinite Awareness. Between objects to itself and Awareness rather?”     Very good. You’re contemplating very beautifully, my dear. I’m not going to have any spoilers for you today. [Laughing] Already too many hints. Very good. [Big smile]

Rashmi says, “Don’t let me go, Father…, even if the mind persists.”     You see all of you must remember these deals then. [Smiling and softly laughing while shaking head]

It’s like many of you tell me that ‘If there’s any arrogance here, then please give me a whack’. Eh? You pray for this actually. You say ‘If there is anything, anything that can be whacked, please whack it. If anything can be chopped, please chop it’. You say this. But when the chop comes you forget about the deal. Isn’t it? [Laughing and shaking head] I’m not worried about any of you.

Yes the bonus question (Stacy says) ‘Does a phenomenon exist before our attention is on it?’ Yes beautiful one. This is also very nice.

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The Bonus question: ‘Does any phenomenon exist before our attention is on it?’

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Yes, Clare also asked the same question.

Shanti says, “Thank you for this amazing grace. Your presence is a gift to be given the highest priority. Thank you so much. I love you.”     Thank you so much, my dear. I love you too.

Stacy says, “Surrendering any arrogance here at your feet, Father.”     Very good.

Rashmi says, “Father, somehow there is no interest in contemplating right now; hope that is not being arrogant.”     No, no, no! That’s absolutely fine. Only if this inclination is there then pick up these contemplations.     “The mood might come sometime though.”     Yes. When you find this inclination from your heart then you can pick up any of these questions and start.

Cornelia says, “Only at the end I was able to reach.”      Still you came. Very good.

Loney says, “Oh no, I wouldn’t be able to walk tomorrow then; only gentle wags.”     I missed the context of that.

Jayani says, “Yes, Father, please whack anything that needs to be whacked.”   Okay, my dear.

Ginger says, “I do not forget, but I wonder if something is entertained by the dance of lila (leela), like I am the prodigal son that gets restless and goes out again.”     Yes.

Just keep letting go of your next thought. It’s all simple, simple, simple. You are me, and I am you. You are the Father and the son. And the son has the complete freedom to be prodigal or not prodigal.

Ishani says. “Thank you, Father. I love you.”     I love you too, my child.

Vivi says, “Yes, show, whack, burn, take it. You see.”

Ginger says, “It is the only way I can make sense of seeing so clearly and still experiencing suffering sometimes. A sufferer must still remain in illusion.”

Even if there is suffering there is never a sufferer; only imagined, isn’t it? You’ve seen this already.

Louise says, “I have become very afraid of the whack lately. The more the love opens up the more fear there is of upsetting you, Father. Wanted to expose this too.”

Just know that I love you unconditionally. Just in the same way that you love Ruby, that way I love you. And we enjoy our banter, no? When you used to joke about my head shaking, my accent, my ‘no?’ [Looking directly at screen with big smile] Love you, my child.

Loney says, “Me too, Louise. That’s what I meant. Oh no; no more whacking.”

What do you think will happen in a ‘whack’? Is a whack any less loving than this love? Unconditionally I love you.

Ishani says, “This was exactly what needed some clearing. I want to scream with <censored>. Head at your feet Father.”     Always welcome. Always welcome to come.

Shanti has to go. I know we’re also out of time. Love you all so very much.

Oh, Ha! Jayani says, “When I was at Monte Sahaja, Mooji gave each of us a slap in the face.”     Really! [Laughing]     “It was so beautiful.”

Yes. Someone told me about this. I have a vague memory of this.

Ginger says, “Once at retreat, Mooji scolded all of us for being Cavalier. It was the most loving. Changed everything for me.”

The Master’s expression…, even in these strong ways; there is only pure love which flows.

Zoe says, “Mike says it’s getting a bit weird for him with the talk of whacking and slapping.”    [Laughing] No. It’s not that way.

I can understand where this weirdness would come from. Even I would feel very weird if I just started coming to satsang and there was all this talk of whacking and slapping. No real whacking [laughing] has ever happened here. And even the slapping must be more in terms of the love that came from him. [Laughing]

Jayani says, “But really sore.”     [Laughing] Okay.

Louise says, “Yes, Father, I know. Not sure what this fear is about.”    This too shall pass.

Amrita says, “Wow, Mooji!”       Yes. Wow, Mooji.

Thank you all so very much for joining in satsang today.

Moojiji Ki Jai! [Blows kiss]

Simple, simple, simple. Just let go of your next thought.

Simply let go of your next thought, and you will find that you are the ever present Self.

So much love. [Blows kiss and waves]

Sangha: Moojiji ki Jai ! Anantaji ki Jai ! Thank you. Love you.

We will not be free in the future. We will not even be free at the end of satsang. We are always free now. Freedom is always in the right now. Right now you cannot show me bondage. In the moment you are never bound. Actually it’s not even accurate to say ‘in the moment’, you see, because the moments are all arising within you; in the timeless now. You see? It’s only the personal voice which says that ‘I am almost free’.  It’s only the personal voice which says ‘Not yet’. This one that is wanting freedom is not You. This one that wants anything at all is not You. The one with desires and aversions is not You. The one who has ideas about what freedom is like… is not You. The one with preconceived notions of what freedom looks like is not You. The one with the ‘freedom check list’ is not You. And the one who is applying ‘the freedom check’ list, not just to yourself but to everyone around you, including the Master, is not You.

You see, one of my teachers in the past had said…, I believe it was Sri Sri Ravi Shankar who said once, very beautiful…, he said ‘First you call me a Guru and then you tell me exactly what I must do’. You see? That ‘If you’re my Guru, you must be like this, you must not be like this, you must speak like this, you must not do this’. You see? So he said ‘Who is the guru then? If the student is going to tell the Guru what is to be done, then who is the Guru?’ So not only do we apply this ‘freedom checklist’ for our own self, we’re always using it for others around us, as well and for the Master also. You see? So this is like…, I believe one of you posted on the Sangha of Being group (I missed the satsang yesterday so I don’t…, I wasn’t there), but I heard that someone asked Guruji [Mooji] ‘Why there are so many women around you?’  What a stupid thing anyway! I usually don’t speak like this, but what a stupid thing! So we have so many preconditions even for the Master, isn’t it? Oh! The Master has started asking for money now! Oh! The Master is surrounded by many women now! All this rubbish; and it’s our own doubt, you see? It’s our own doubt which is projecting in this way.

Usually what I’ve seen is that when we have an issue or a desire or an aversion for something, we start projecting it to everyone around us.

So if we are going to tell the Master how to behave and what to do, then who is the Master actually? It is our own mind which is getting the better of us in these subtle ways.

Q: “Only one thing on my list: is there a smell of a person?”

Yes. This is okay. This is like what Papaji spoke about; the vigilance. You see when my Master speaks about the feeling that, if there is a feeling that there is no arrogance here, then that can also be arrogance. So this little bit of vigilance, but not as a practice, you see, just a normal, very natural checking in once in a while to see whether the monkey mind  is back and it’s sitting on the throne or not; but not as a obsessive practice.

Life will tell us anyway. Life will tell us anyway. Because when suffering, when some resistance is coming, it is pointing you to a belief which is still carried. So life will anyway tell us. But it’s good to have this little bit of checking in. Like she said ‘the smelling of the person’. Where is this coming from? Is it still coming from a personal identity? Am I still referring to myself as the imagined one? You see? Not conversationally; so I don’t want any of you becoming ‘the Advaita police’ and going around policing people, you see? Only in terms of just seeing; not in terms of the words which are being used, but just checking where they are coming from. Is it still coming from a personal identity of desire, or aversion, need, wanting to become something, wanting to get something? Because like we said, the ego’s mantra is: What’s in it for me? So that’s the main mantra for the ego, isn’t it?

The main mantra of the ego is: What’s in it for me?

And the secondary mantra is: Me first.

So not only is it constantly looking for something, but it also wants to be the only one or at least the first one to get there, you see? And these tendencies are so clearly seen; almost childish in a way, isn’t it? When we see Beings saying “I am free, but you are not” it’s just spiritual ego. Not only does it want this concept of freedom, it wants to be the only one that can get there. It wants a specialness in this.