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Relentlessly Pointing to That Which is Absolute Reality (Ashtavakra Gita Intro) - 20th October 2016

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Ananta emphasizes a relentlessly one-pointed focus on absolute awareness, setting aside personal stories and worldly issues. He invites seekers to use his presence to realize their true nature beyond the fluctuating realm of the person.

Use me to see what you are in reality, beyond the play of this personal up and down.
I have no interest in the person story; I point only to that which is the absolute.
Every word is aimed at triggering self-realization, with no rules for moral behavior or self-improvement.

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Transcript

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Ananta

I just feel so good about this scripture right now. It just feels like Ashtavakra is speaking. These words are carrying so much strength, and we've been at it for a few weeks now. Even the retreat was spent quite a bit of time on it. So I'm wondering whether this which is being shared now can be helpful for those who might read it in the written form as well. In the transcripts, of course, it is very nice, but sometimes in a book form, maybe it needs some editing, some more clarification. Some things which can be conveyed with tone of voice—is it working in the words? Might it come across in a similar way? There is some current in it right now. Just lead me some direction onwards. Let's dive in and see what happens.

Ananta

I requested that all of you joining the Hangout also read a bit of it, and I'm sure you've read some of it as well. If any questions come or some insights, we're happy to look at those together. So if you were to read the introduction... the author is using this Bart Marshall's translation. Okay. It says: 'The Ashtavakra Gita is an ancient spiritual document of great purity and power. One-pointed, it is relentlessly one-pointed.' Commenting on the introduction of this... this relentless one-pointedness can also be very frustrating sometimes. I can spot it also in Satsang with some of you. Maybe I can also spot it in the Sangha and those who've been with him for longer periods of time. There it can feel like... and some have even told me like this, but not in such blunt words, but have said it's just like a one-trick pony. You see, all the trick is pointing to the Absolute, the Absolute awareness. But what about this? What about this?

Ananta

So, if you like what flows from here, there has been an increasing one-pointedness. I don't see it like that. For me, it comes very naturally to seemingly skip over everything else and just say: 'But who are you in reality?' So it can seem like it is just a complete ignoring or firing of worldly issues or my worldly problems, or what I am at the moment, what is happening with me at this point of time. It can seem like I have no interest in that. And mostly because I have no interest, in fact. What is this lack of interest in that? Hopefully, in service to the truth, I have to have the integrity to be able to say them. I really don't have too much interest in what might be happening in the person's story. So I will not take a false interest or false compassion. Sometimes some compassion can come, something to help the body can come, some Seva can come like that. But for me, if you were to say, 'What is the best way to use me?'—I come to Satsang every few days—'What is the best way to use me?' Use me to see what you are in reality. Beyond the play of this, beyond the play of this personal up and down, with this shifting realm of movement.

Ananta

And this can lead to things where it can seem like, okay, you know, we were building a personal relationship or building some special connection or something like this. But in many, I've found that it doesn't really have a grip in that way. It can feel like, 'But I have been coming to you for four years, I've been coming for three years,' but there is nothing there. There is no special connection over there, no special reciprocation over there. So that can be somewhat restrictive. And there can be also the sense that now, especially or more and more, I'm not saying to anyone, 'Okay, you've progressed so much, you have progressed so much.' I'm not giving you individual report cards. I'm saying more and more that all of you are there, which can also be frustrating because those who have been here longer can feel like, 'But he's not telling me how much I'm progressing, what I'm going through.' So see that this sense of progress, the sense of a report card, is also not being fed. It can also be frustrating. 'So what am I really doing here? Am I really getting anywhere?'

Ananta

I was reading something before I came in. There is a sense of, you know, at least on some other path, there is a sense of some Karma is being cleaned up, some tendencies worked away. It's a difficult process and I'm making progress. But here, you're not even saying that. Sometimes earlier we were, but now we're not saying that because I really feel to point you to that which is the Absolute. Am I saying that this is where everybody is? No. Some of you are stuck, but the heart brings you here, but you're not really necessarily enjoying what is being shared. So, effectively, you're just stuck together in that relationship. What is good is that in that moment you come to do something, it is irresistible to be within it. It's irresistible to come or to click on the link. And what you find when you come is: awareness, awareness, awareness, awareness, awareness. So, right now, don't believe your mind, and still you find yourself... soon you will find that you're not here. It's like, 'Poof, that's all he's got.' And that is fine because the idea of crowds, the idea of bigger numbers, is not attractive to me. Actually, at this point, I don't know in the future whether it will become more attractive to me or even less so. Tomorrow it might be that I feel like I want to just be with one or two and we take turns to come, or it might feel like, 'Okay, let's spread the word.' I don't know how it turns out. I don't feel like I know. But at least what I can say when I look at what flows from here objectively, you see that something just feels right. Let's go, let's go to that which is the ultimate reality. Let's prove that, because I don't see why it cannot be possible for each and every one of us.

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Ananta

I'm going to comment on the introduction here because it is relentlessly one-pointed. 'Every word is aimed at triggering self-realization. No suggestions for self-improvement, no rules for moral behavior, no practical wisdom for daily life. Powerful because the mere reading or repeated reading of it can be enough to send a right mind really into truth.' This is one aspect I am currently contemplating, to be honest. Because sometimes this sense of 'rightness' and the 'right mind' getting this... I never had the sense of, never contemplated this topic, that somebody could be more right, somebody could be less right. Because nobody can really tell at what stage anyone is at. So I've just trusted the voice to speak from here, whatever is coming, or that one trust me to... okay, into the presence, will take care of it. But I'm also contemplating now whether it does, because I've seen that ideas, just when they remain just as ideas, then they can be very, very strong ego defense. So it's a current contemplation and looking forward to see where that goes.

Ananta

And now, still with us: 'Little is known about the Ashtavakra Gita. Ashtavakra is the name that appears in Indian lore, but almost certainly he did not write it.' I don't know what the source of this information is. 'The author, likely an anonymous sage, merely uses the characters of Ashtavakra and King Janaka to set up a classic dialogue between guru and disciple.' It's a very beautiful tradition. All these details set up various situations. Like the Bhagavad Gita sets up the situation of the war, a huge war, one of the biggest that you can imagine. And in the middle of that, the great warrior, the hero of power, Arjuna, then talks to his charioteer, who is a metaphorical representation of the Master, of the Guru. He says, 'How can I? How can I attack all these attachments that I have? My brothers are here. Is he asking me to get rid of all of them?' So it's a beautiful setup. For this beautiful Ashtavakra Gita that happens, then there's another scripture called the Yoga Vashistha with a young Ram at the age of sixteen, then so disillusioned with temptations, with anything that this realm has to offer. And we read some of that in the retreat and we feel, 'Wow, this is really strong, and really strong.' So then Vashistha comes to Ram then. It is the same Ram then that spoken on another occasion in the Adhyatma Ramayana to another king, Vibhishana. So many of these dialogues have been set up in these strong situations, maybe just to give some more color to the dialogue, taking some more representation of what the practitioner must be going through so we easily relate to what those things were.

Ananta

So, 'He uses the characters of Ashtavakra and King Janaka to set up the classical dialogue between guru and disciple. It quickly becomes a guru-guru dialogue.' And in this way, it is rare. Is it because it quickly becomes a guru-guru dialogue? Because after the first volley of wisdom from Ashtavakra, Janaka realizes his true Self. That's about twenty verses in the first chapter. About twenty verses of Ashtavakra sharing, and Janaka comes to the realization of what is being spoken. And from then on, they get into an Advaitic jam session of the highest sort. That's why I enjoy this translation, because it speaks in this contemporary way. I was joking to someone and saying I'm happy with this one because it doesn't say, 'Verily, verily, thou art awareness.' It says, 'You are aware.' Sometimes in the indirectness of language, we miss the message. It is very clear that you are awareness.

Ananta

'Because of this, some translators have done away with the dialogue format and attributed everything to Ashtavakra. Indeed, since all the verses of the Ashtavakra Gita exist at the highest possible level of spoken wisdom, it would appear meaningless to attribute some to the teacher and some to his newly enlightened disciple. There is nevertheless a storyline set up in the Ashtavakra Gita, and for me, it goes something like this: Chapter 1: It all starts when King Janaka asks the seer Ashtavakra how he can attain knowledge, detachment, liberation. Ashtavakra tells him. Chapter 2: It works. Upon hearing Ashtavakra's words, Janaka realizes his true nature. In rapture, he describes the joy and wonder of his new state. Chapter 3: Ashtavakra is delighted for Janaka but sees inconsistencies. He fires off a series of confrontational verses about attachment to worldly pleasure.' So this is a test from the Guru and the prevention of any sort of spiritual ego or mind. 'They're not assured that the Lord of the universe can do as he pleases. Chapter 5: Ashtavakra does not disagree, but in four verses points out the next step: dissolution. Chapter 6: Janaka says, "I know that already," matching him in style and the four verses. Chapter 7: Unable to leave it with that, however, Janaka goes on to further describe his enlightened state. Chapter 8: Still hearing too much "I" in Janaka's language, Ashtavakra instructs him in the subtleties of attachment and bondage. Chapter 9: Ashtavakra continues to describe the way of true detachment. Chapter 10: Ashtavakra hammers away at the folly of desire, no matter how elevated or subtle. Chapter 11: Ashtavakra further describes the state of desirelessness to achieve peace. Chapter 12: Janaka replies by describing the state of timelessness in which he now finds himself. Chapter 13: Janaka, having been instructed by Ashtavakra in Chapter 1 to be happy, reports that he is indeed. Janaka then summarizes his exalted state with calm indifference. Impressed but not through teaching, Ashtavakra relentlessly points to the vast emptiness of Self. Ashtavakra attacks the futility of effort and knowing. Then Ashtavakra describes the nature of One. Finally, Ashtavakra hits him with everything is gone. A hundred verses of pure non-dual energy. If this doesn't do it, nothing will. Chapter 19: It works. Janaka no longer describes his enlightened state but can speak only in questions, revealing absence. Chapter 20: In the final flurry of questions, pointing only at their own meaninglessness, Janaka burns off the last vestiges of personhood and enters dissolution. He is no more, and no more can be said. Ashtavakra smiles, nods approvingly, and says no more.'

Ananta

Beautiful introduction by Bart Marshall of this document. Also, I want to tell you all that I haven't read this version yet, and I want to say that I haven't heard this for a long time. I remember many, many years ago there was a double session that I used to attend weekly. So since then, and also since we started reading it, I have not gone into the text beyond what we read together. I want for a voice to emerge, to see what comes up together instead of having any predetermined idea about what I will see, what I will say. You see, this has been really beautiful for me also because sometimes when I am reading, I feel like, 'Oh, okay, what is he saying?' Then it seems like it's immediately clear when we look together. So together here, enjoying the presence of this beautiful sage Ashtavakra. So I bow down at the feet of my Master, Satguru Mooji Ji. Also these two beautiful beings, Ashtavakra and Janaka, who have given us this beautiful text. And may this voice speak in resonance with what is there. A sense of what is being shared here. It is my blessing that all of you will see this for yourself and these words will not remain mere words, but take you beyond the words into what they're truly pointing at. Om Shanti, Mooji Ji.

The Thread Continues

These satsangs touch the same silence.