True Knowledge is the Dropping of Ignorance - 1st December 2017
Saar (Essence)
Ananta guides seekers to drop the false identity of being a limited person contained within the body. He emphasizes that the truth is already present and requires no effort, only the cessation of mental interpretation.
The journey from person to being is the dropping of the person, not the creation of a new being.
You are not contained in this universe; if anything, the universe is contained in you.
The truth is not waiting for your mind's certificate or for your engine to settle down.
contemplative
Transcript
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Namaste everyone. Ready? Everyone, welcome to satsang today. Satguru Sri Mooji Baba. I was saying the other day that even the idea of just being, to just be, can also become a position. That I found a way to be free, and the way to be free is to just be. But in the "just be," the "I" who is doing the just being is not that. I wonder if it's clear. You see, anytime we can decide to just be—"I am going to just be"—it is still a mask. Empty of all masks, you are naturally just being. Completely open, completely empty of any position, being is here effortlessly. That's why we call this the pathless path where actually there is no way, there is no strategy, there is no practice that'll make you that. Why? Because you already are.
Therefore, the wise one said true knowledge is just the dropping of ignorance. It is not the picking up of something new. That's why the wise one also said that the words of satsang are just the thorns that we are using to remove the thorns which are already embedded. What are these thorns? These thorns are the beliefs we have about ourselves, the conditions we have about ourselves. "I am this way and that way. I like this, I don't like this. These are my friends, these are my enemies. These are my grievances against these. These are my desires." All these conditions, at the center of which is the individual idea of me, the identity of "I." This is ignorance. It is these false ideas about ourselves. They are being removed.
But you will not become something other than what you already are. The journey from person to being is transformative only in the sense of the dropping of the person, not the creation of a new being. This is a very important point which gets mistaken many times. It is not something new which is being added on to you. To use a metaphor, we can say that it is just this what I call conceptual dust; it is being shaken down. So what happens is that the bath in the Ganga has already happened in this moment. All the dust is off. But as consciousness, you can decide to pick up some more of the dust, bath with the mind. But as you remain empty of these notions, and the notion of person does not have any room, as we remain conceptless, it is the mind which has run out of moves. As we remain conceptless, the Self has become apparent to itself.
Now you might feel that if I am empty of notions, what does that have to do with the Self? "I have found the Self, and if the notions are gone..." You see, this might be an idea, but this is not true. You are actually always experiencing only the truth, and so am I. Every time you are not experiencing suffering, but you are suffering your experience. You are experiencing only the truth; you are suffering from your mental interpretation of it. You cannot suffer from that which is naturally here without any interpretation. No suffering is possible. You can look at this in some depth if you like. What is an example of suffering? So suppose now, just sitting here, sitting, the mind can come and say, "So-and-so said that notion." It can come, and if that notion is believed, that becomes a grievance. So this experience is just an experience, certain sensations moving about, but when the interpretation comes, then it comes with its likes and dislikes. Anything that we call suffering—so this is an example of grievances. The other example could be a mistake somewhere emerged from here. The mind can come and say, "That was not good like that," and if you believe, then that becomes guilt. But you see that without these ideas, what is appearing is just a flow.
Now, when all of this is appearing, what are you? Don't try to interpret it. Don't be quick to the answer. Are you an object along with the rest of the appearance? Again, I'm saying I want no answers. As you're empty of any notion, what do you find yourself to be? And I'm emphasizing over and over, I don't want answers because our idea of knowing has to become this: "I have the right concept of it." So I'm saying I'm not interested in any concept that you come up with. See, the question has been asked. You leave the question unmolested by any notion. If any notion comes, well, let it come and go. Don't bother with it because I'm not interested, and you also don't be interested. The question is that this appearance is happening. All that is appearing is appearing. What are you? Are you also an appearance? Are you also an object? What is aware of all of these appearances? Is that also an object? And you are not confused about this at all in reality. You see, your concepts might be getting mixed up, but that is not your confusion; that is the confusion of the mind.
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So this secret I want to tell you all today, that I have told you before, is that as you are empty of any notion about yourselves, the truth is here. The truth is completely apparent to you. You don't have to take a step. You don't have to move an inch to find the truth. If I were to take a different approach, I would say, "Okay, you want the Self? Just for a fraction of a moment, don't think." So when you say "don't think," in that moment the mind would just stop for a moment and the truth is completely apparent. Now, I don't usually say "don't think" because that becomes a theme also, then you know, thoughts are just coming, so then, "Oh, why can't I stop thinking?" So don't worry about that. But do you see that as you are empty, as you allow these notions to come and go, what you are is completely present? You are aware of your own existence. You don't have to struggle with it at all.
Don't have to make this a conclusion, that whatever judgment, conclusion, concept you might be believing about yourself, the truth never changes. The truth is not waiting for your mind's certificate. The truth is not waiting for your energy to settle down. Whatever benchmark you have created for yourself to be free, to find freedom, the truth is not waiting for that benchmark. You might have said, "But I need to settle into this." Truth is not waiting for that. "I just have to stabilize a bit more." Truth is not waiting for that. Because in all of this, the "I" is the false one. It is not the true "I."
The ocean is not waiting for the waves to have a certain quality before it becomes the ocean. But the ocean, strangely enough, gave itself the power to identify with the wave, to believe the idea that "I am a wave." That's why I've been asking, listen, feel: how long will you believe yourself to be this, just this set of sensations? And if you want to believe that you are a set of sensations, then take a bigger jump and believe that you are every set of sensations. Every visual, every sound, every taste that exists is closer to the truth of what you are than to believe that amongst the millions, you use these few thousands—you know what I mean? The body set of visual perception and sensations of the body that we call the body. But the experience is only of a certain set of sensations which we have conceptually divided and made a "me" out of it. There is no actual "me" there. We have used a term "I" or "me" to divide up, to define a certain set of sensations. But in actuality, if these sensations are me, then the sensations of the sound of the traffic of the road are also me. The sensations of your heads looking confused or nodding are also me. All the tastes in Japan are also me. Why limit yourself? What is the basis of this limitation? It is not tangible. But the greater truth is that in reality, I am beyond even all of this. All of this is an aspect of me, but it doesn't cover that aspect of me which is not in phenomena, beyond all sensation.
So I'm pointing out your greatness to you. Everything in the world, whatever you can perceive, is just one aspect of what you are. That which is aware of all of this is not contained in any of this. How big a bucket do you need to fill all your awareness in? It sounds like phonics, but when we consider ourselves to be an object, this is exactly what we are doing. So little to be considering this body is the bucket. So if awareness can fill this bucket, why can't it fill that bucket? It is not in this body bucket. This body bucket is just a bucket of flesh, blood, similar constructs. Where is that which witnesses all these perceptions? When you have a dream, the entire dream is there and there is a body, but where are you? In which pocket in the dream are you contained? This is the projective power of consciousness. It can create these unlimited dreams, but you are that from which even this appears, rises. And no matter what arises, it does not touch you. It does not harm you because you are not in phenomena.
So this is the "you" that which is so beyond even the entirety of all the physical realms, that is now considering itself to be contained in this tiny pocket of the body and constantly chanting the mantra, "What's in it for me? What's in it for me? What's in it for me?" And it is even more vicious than that because not only is it saying, "What's in it for me?" the mind is also saying, "Let it be me first and me alone. If I can have it, I want to be the special one." So not only is there this great misunderstanding about who you are, you are trying our level best to make this misunderstanding special. How many times have we heard this report that, "I am completely fine if none of us are getting it, but it's most irritating if people around me are having all these insights and realizations but I seem to be lost"? It's the same "What's in it for me?" and "Me first, me alone." This "me" is our greatest misunderstanding, and it does not survive this moment. This misunderstanding is dealt with automatically by the truth in every moment. The desire to play the game can make it seem like it continues over a period of time, and this is what I've been wanting all of you to see. Right now, you are complete without the notion of completion. You are more special than any specialness that you can chant. The sun and the moon and the earth are tiny pebbles for you. What specialness do you want at the body level? What I am speaking is not fantasy, but what you believe about yourself is the fantasy.
You are that which is so beyond all this. There are nine faces on the camera and so on. How to deny this experience? But have I not said it is this experience not contained within you? Only when you define your container as this body do you feel that this experience is outside of you. Why would consciousness want to deny its own projection? We are only saying that you are not contained in it. You are something which is beyond this. All this objective universe is just an aspect of you. And then we can debate a little whether that which is an aspect which comes and goes is real or not real. I am not even getting into that. Where are you in all of this? What do you consider yourself to be?
All conditions are forms which have been trying to take position. And we say freedom. Every person has been trying to attain the glory of the Father, believing itself to be separate from the Father itself. When this notion of separation is dropped, there is nothing left but you. You is this fine "I." I mean, I seem to prove, I see the mind uses even our deepest spiritual insights and makes it about me. "I found it." Why does this still happen? How quick we are to become. You could be experiencing your very original Self in which there is no "me" and no "you." All this universe might be just a little bit of shining light put in the midst of all this, and your mind would come and say, "Well, okay, this is good. What is in it for me?" The greater sacrifice is this "me" at the heart of the Satguru.
This is the biggest attachment we might feel later because attachment is our family, our children. But actually, it is only because they are "my" children, "my" grandchildren, "my" plants in the garden, "my" house, "my" body, "my" relationship. Imagine if you cared about every relationship as much as you care about yours. Imagine if you cared about everyone's money as much as you care about yours, everyone's freedom as much as you care about yours. We often call this ego, the character. Actually, I call it... every time you know that it is the ego talking, not you, nobody can use this knowledge for any sort of personal benefit. Just like knowing that it is a movie doesn't change the content.
My house, my body, my relationship—imagine if you cared about every relationship as much as you care about yours. You wouldn't. So imagine if you cared about everyone's money as much as you care about yours, everyone's freedom as much as you care about yours. We often call this ego. The character actually is a call it. Every time you know that it is the ego talking, not you, nobody can use this knowledge for any sort of personal benefit. Just like knowing that it is a movie doesn't change the content of the movie, the thing has to happen. It is what the Zen masters were trying to say when they said, 'Before enlightenment, chopping wood, fetching water; after enlightenment, chopping wood, fetching water.' Because this, and I usually say, oh no, but it is a chop to this expectation that something should be different in my life now that I am discovering the truth of who I am.
If you truly are, then you know that it is not this bucket of flesh and blood which is discovering the truth. Why should things be different for this? This is still attachment to this set of sensations. You are not contained in this universe. If anything, the universe is contained in you. If you give it the notion of reality, it is contained in you. If you don't even give it the notion of reality, the universe never happened. But either way, you remain untouched. I am trying to convince you that reality is the fantasy and fantasy is reality. That's why when I say something like you are not contained in this universe, mind it, it might seem like a big fantasy at first. But just see for yourselves that all that which is perceived, you are not contained in that. This is the pattern to you actually right now. This is not a fantasy. And the idea that you could be something limited is so fantastic; it is complete fantasy. And yet this seems to have become our idea of reality.
Who are you? What I mean is, just a little bit of looking at this will make it clear that no sensation can contain me. I cannot be a perception. Who is perceiving all perceptions? And what is aware of that? Is that in opposition, in resistance to anything that is? That's why we say that resistance equals ego. What is this? The interpreter coming says it should be another way, this is not it. Some ideas. Empty yourself of all concepts. I don't even want to say vomit them out, because I know what some of you are doing: vomiting it out and then eating the same food again, and then vomiting. That's what it seems like. When is this going to get over? Now, if you like it, if you don't pick up the same old stories again, that is much more effort. I am not giving you a difficult task. The task is done for all of you. I don't need to know what your circumstance might be. Write it down; I can tell you right now, it is now. What is your move? Happy to remain empty without story? The notion 'what's in it for me' or the notion 'but, but, but'—still more something comes. Are you still so attracted to this? It contains nothing of value to you. Let it go.
I am like Ashtavakra enough. The mind is complex; let it go. You will not get to the truth through the mind. The mind is the machine of the false; it is the machine of misery. You will not get it with your intellect. You cannot reason your way into the truth. You cannot compute it. So both these devices I used, just put them down. Just be. As you put down your mind and just be, are you not aware of this? No reasoning is needed, no concept is needed, no effort is needed. What to do? If I keep reminding you that you are like the space in the room, but you keep believing that you are the mosquito in the room, I just keep reminding every day: you, you, you, you. It's almost time for holy silence. It's a great idea. All of you will join that. Enjoy the presence. This is good. Thank you all so much for being in satsang today. Satguru Mooji ki Jai.
The Thread Continues
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