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The Unreality of ‘Me’ and the Only Reality of God – 16th June 2023

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Ananta guides seekers to move beyond conceptual Advaita into a direct discovery of God's light. He proposes using prayerful breath to dissolve the individual ego and reside in the unconditional love of the heart.

The truth is that there is a higher being than the one we take ourselves to be.
You cannot come to God’s light and still be full of yourself.
If God is real, then you must find God now. Take the risk today.

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Transcript

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Ananta

I'll just randomly ask someone a question in the middle to make sure you're still seriously... this seems better. Let me know if my audio is good. How will you let me know? You can raise your hand on the Zoom hand. Audio is good? Thanks. I started the other day also like this, to come to the company of the truth, Satsang. So this truth is available apparently in Satsang. What is that truth and why do we capitalize the letter T and say Truth? What is that truth? It is also said that the Guru brings brothers from darkness to light, from avidya to Gyan, from death to immortality or eternity. Now, are these just fancy terms or is it really possible? Is this just something as we heard growing up, or is it really a possibility that we can go from death to immortality, from darkness to light, from ignorance to true knowledge, which is self-knowledge?

Ananta

For this we come to Satsang: to meet the truth, not to merely understand it. Because we've understood many things and most of those don't help us, because in times of trouble they are the first to leave. I can't think straight. I can't think straight because if it is a question of our thinking, then when we really need guidance, then it is the first to leave and we get into panic mode, we get into scrambling, you see. So conceptual knowledge can only go this far. What is this truth with a capital T? The truth is that there is a higher being than the one we take ourselves to be. There is no getting around that fact. And that higher being we call God. You can choose to call it what you want, but there is something higher. And we'll talk about what that higher is—higher than this bunch of food, this collection of food that we call the body.

Ananta

But the thing is that even after being in Satsang for many years, we don't really live in that insight. If God was really reality, how would you live? So Satsang is the place where you can come to and be guided to come to a discovery of that one which is higher, rather than just use it as a conceptual idea or a fallback option or sort of feel safe when I'm in big trouble. 'Oh God, God.' The rest of the time, meaning now, can it work like that? It can. In God's grace everything is possible, but it's rare and most likely it won't happen that way. Most of us started coming to Satsang because there was some trouble somewhere. Very few actually come without any trouble, especially this kind of Satsang. It squeezes the mind so much and seems so difficult for the mind to comprehend that usually there's some suffering which is giving fuel to the fire of coming to Satsang initially.

Ananta

And the fact is that if we are winning in life, then very few of us will look for that higher power anyway. It's all fine, okay, so the 'me' is working for me; why do I need to find the truth or the higher one, the greater reality? And that is why death is very helpful, because how long will you make the 'me' work? Death is always coming. It is the one unavoidable. So some have even had this question: 'Okay, if I have this and I had that and this also happened, everything is working fine, and then I die—so then what?' These kind of questions also sometimes bring us to Satsang. Okay, so if God is truly real and what we take ourselves to be, the ego, is not to be found and therefore unreal, what would our way of life become if God is here right now?

Ananta

Who comes and goes? People must be here right now. How is it that God can be found? That is the fundamental question, isn't it? If God is here right now and there is no 'me' right now, and yet the 'me' seems so real because there are thoughts and there are emotions and there's a narrative, there are things I have to do and there are my likes and my dislikes, and I have framed everything in the context of an individual perspective. Now it can seem like a big attack when you say that there is no such 'me' and all there is is God. But what if this was the reality of things? And what if we don't have to speculate or conjecture about it, but come to a real discovery, a true intuitive insight, Atma Gyan? How does one do that?

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Ananta

So what am I proposing? I'm proposing to you that most of humanity is living a lie. Just because the notion is popular doesn't make it true, and we've seen that in history many, many times. So most of humanity is living the life of the existence of a separate individual, but in reality all of this is just shining in God's light—the light of the higher being, the light of the only being. A metaphor would be to look at what I'm saying as if the dream character has taken themselves to be real, and now through the lens of the reality of the dream character, they're trying to figure out the picture of this dream. Okay, so if the point is to discover the truth, and the truth is the discovery of God, of the higher being, then your question should be: 'How can I find this one? How can I move it from concept to reality?'

Ananta

But to answer how to find this one, first I have to tell you how not to find this one. And this is where most spiritual seekers, those who are even genuinely searching for God, most of them are stuck in the wrong ways to find God. So what are the wrong ways? We think that God is going to be an object of perception. So most people are waiting for a spiritual experience. I was talking to some very sweet people and they live... and we had gone... I said, 'Okay, you were saying that you have found God here. How do we know that God even exists? Is there something you can tell us which will make us believe?' And then I said, 'What if you could find Him? If you find Him, then that is the best. Then we don't need proof or evidence or anything like that.' That much I feel like we were able to communicate. The rest I'm not sure whether I got through because this seems absurd, and you're forewarned about that. This means a leap of faith. This is the point where faith is needed.

Ananta

So I am going to tell you that to come to the discovery of this reality, you cannot rely on your perceptions. Cannot rely on your perceptions. That is the fundamental principle of Advaita Vedanta. Vedanta 101: everything that comes and goes, this Maya, is not real. Reality cannot be perceived. So nothing original has been spoken here. So that is the first way not to find God, which is to try and have a perceptual experience, experience of God here. Please stop me. So forget about trying to come to a visual, audio, tasted, any sort of sensory experience of God. If some byproducts happen, we'll talk about them later, it's fine, but don't worry about any of that.

Ananta

The second thing, and this is also a perception but has to be called out separately because we rely a lot on this: you cannot find God by thinking. They think and think and think. You cannot find God, and many have tried for many years and it comes to no solution. You end up becoming a 'Pandit,' quote-unquote, which means what? You have a spiritual encyclopedia in your head. You can quote scripture, you can become very knowledgeable in terms of all the shastras and the scripture and everything, but all the thinking is truly going to die along with the body. There is nothing eternal about it. So, cannot perceive and especially cannot think about it.

Ananta

Now where does that leave us? It may seem like it leaves us in a small box. Now we don't know what to do, but actually reality is the opposite. It is the unshackling. You're no longer reliant on perception and thinking. How are you? How are you? How is it?

Free. Free. Exactly, it is free.

Ananta

You're not constricted, you're not constrained. You don't have... because you don't have a narrative structure, you are not limiting yourself. Okay, so this is what I've been calling getting over yourself, because you cannot come to God's light and still be full of yourself. So Satsang is to first get over yourself. Humility, fear, devotion, compassion, generosity, love—all these things are an aspect of that, humility and devotion being very important. Because the conundrum is that as long as it continues to still be about you, God seems elusive. Only when we are willing to make that seeming sacrifice of letting go of the false one can we truly live in God. And that is when the Vedantic project comes to fruition. Who here lives as if only God is real? Nobody, including this one. Nobody. Individuality and ego lessen to such an extent because you've been propelled through Satsang with such an escape velocity that gravity is not full of individuality. It seems very, very mild, very, very meager. It may not completely go away, but you spend most of your life in the reality of God and not in the unreality of person 'me'.

Ananta

So for a true meeting with God, you need to come to an unborn mind or the no-mind. You need to become empty of ourselves. And it is impossible to be empty of ourselves, it is impossible to die to the false one under the hypnosis of a thought, as harmless as the thought might seem in the world. When have we been empty? No. Then we truly encounter something where we are met with... our heart is filled with an unconditional love, like the birth of a child. It's not that those children look so beautiful, but in the parents' eyes they look very beautiful because we're not judging, we are not evaluating. It is pure love. And occasionally even what may be called romantic love or love for a beloved or things like that, there are moments where everything feels so light and easy. There are many songs about this where in the presence of love, the mind doesn't seem to have the same power.

Ananta

And that love can become the perfume, the scent which we can follow doggedly to come to the discovery of the presence of God. But for most to just remain in that love without getting a barrage of thoughts and being attracted to them and saying, postponing and saying, 'I'll finish my work first, then I'll do all of this'—for most I've seen that it becomes very difficult. And that is why I'm suggesting that we use prayer along with our breath. And for some of you who may be hearing this for the first time, we can share more details with you about what I'm calling the Atma Darshan samadhi. It is nothing originally invented by Ananta or something like this, just something got revealed in a certain way here: that using our breath in a prayerful way can lead us against the relentless attack from the mind where you can open and empty. It becomes a personal strategy for us to use. I try to use it for my peace, for my... so what happens is that you're not truly open and empty, but we only are thinking we open and empty because it's just something that we can use to have a better life.

Ananta

So to use the breath with the words of the holy prayers to whatever aspect of God you resonate with is a good way to come to a lightness of mind, the ease of mind. And only in that ease can we remain in the unconditional love for God. And all unconditional love is love for God; if it is for something, it is conditional. So this pristine love we can remain in, and that love itself will guide us to its source, which is the source of all things, which is God's light, it's God's presence. And when you come to it, you will wonder how it was missed because it is always there, and yet we have to come to it. So to allow ourselves to let go of the mind using whatever tools are made available to us, meaning that presence of unconditional love, it may lead us to His holy presence of God within ourselves—not within our body, but in a seeing as if it is within the body, but within ourselves.

Ananta

Nobody is finding something which they can say, 'Oh, this is only here.' You may say that 'I feel it strongly in my heart,' but that is not its boundary. It's just the presence seems to have a core in our heart or heart region, but it is not everywhere in the sense of that there is air everywhere. It is everywhere just like the dreamer is everywhere in the dream. How is the dreamer everywhere in the dream? Only in the dreamer's light does the dream exist. Well, only in God's light does this waking state exist in all.

Ananta

Something which they can say, 'Oh, this is only here.' You may say that 'I feel it strongly in my heart,' but that is not its boundary. It's just the presence seems to have a core in our heart or heart region, but it is not everywhere in the sense of that there is air everywhere. It is everywhere just like the dreamer is everywhere in the dream. How is the dreamer everywhere in the dream? Only in the dreamer's light does the dream exist. Well, only in God's light does this waking state exist. In all of this, you will recognize as you come to God's presence, you don't need to understand too far in advance. And in most spiritual movements, sanghas, most places in the world, this itself is the end of the story because what more can there be? We come to the unbounded presence of God and we realize that everything is in God's light, on God's cream, everything is God, God. And yet, remaining in God and in God's light, we recognize that there's an aspect of God which is completely empty of attributes, and that is the Ultimate Reality where even the nature of being and its presence arise from. That is called Nirguna Brahman. No quality exists; all there is is a sheer innocence, so sheer intelligence of witnessing, the sakshi. You cannot give it any sort of color, shape, or size, you see.

Ananta

So the beauty of this is that you start with the sheer humility and that becomes your shield throughout the process—that you are nothing but a humble seeker, a humble servant of God. And you come to the discovery that you are that Ultimate Reality. I am that Ultimate Reality in which all those universes come and go. But even after coming to this discovery, in outer expression, mostly the humility and sometimes even the meekness may continue. Can it be that listening to this strange one, it is completely possible to come to the discovery of the Nirguna Brahman? To come to not just the insight into it, but to go beyond time and remain when nothing has really ever happened? It's a huge risk. It's a big bet that you have to take. What is the risk? Because everything now sounded very nice and narrative. What is the risk? The risk is that you have to let go of individual identity. And what does that mean? Primarily, you have to not be concerned about your story, your narrative. And for a while, that will seem very strange because how can I contextualize myself? How can I contextualize myself, situate myself in some way, unless I have a narrative? Don't worry about the sometimes. I have this cool teacher's threat of it, seriously: if you could not conclude what is happening with you, would you be okay with that?

Ananta

Are you making progress, not making progress? Are you finding God, not finding God? Are you doing well in satsang and not doing well? Are you doing well in your work, relationship, whatever? Can you let go of all of that specification? Until you are not able to let go of that story, okay, whatever I am saying will only be mere words with some slight glimpses of insight which we will insert then into the story again and then say, 'Ah yes, see how well I'm doing.' So that becomes the new spiritual winning. But a rare one—and all of you is rare enough for eight billion people, so don't be like, 'Oh Father, no chance.' I'm not saying that. I'm saying this already is rare enough. So all of you can come to that. You let go of personal identity and come to the discovery of the light within you, God's light within you.

Ananta

But my invitation always is to prove me wrong or prove me right, but don't just leave it, because the mind will play the game with time. See, it's not that many of you doubt me, actually. It's not that many of you have... you only postpone. You say, 'Tomorrow. Today something other important is happening.' Come on. And in this tomorrow, tomorrow is going to be the end of this life. If God is real, then you must find God now. If God is not real, find out who you are. And my challenge is that as you go looking for who you are, you will find God. And as you go looking for God, you will find yourself. But to leave it for tomorrow will not do. Take the risk now. Take the risk today. Right here, right now, and say, 'Empty of all my stories, I want to know what is true.' Don't make everything through the false self convenient to yourselves, nice to yourselves. Sometimes lovingly, sometimes with the sword, chop it off. Don't get into any of these like 'poor me' type modes.

Ananta

Which one? Which means the body? Or he is fine. It has very few complaints. Sometimes poor thing is in pain and complain about it... won't complain, but he'll send the signal, you know? Even that, it won't say anything. The body is no trouble. Thoughts, yes, coming, going; there's nothing about them. Emotions seem to be there, they linger for a little bit, but we don't hurt the space in which they are appearing. Nobody is hurt by them. The being is God's light itself. The light of consciousness cannot be hurt. So what did we miss in the middle? Where is the 'me'? At which point? At this point was the one that we were spending all of our life catering to so much? We looked at the body; it's fine. Whether it is here or on the street or in a five-star hotel or some other country, whether it is begging for food or it is living in a palace, it is usually unconcerned. This probably needs a comfortable place to sit or sleep. The body is fine. We looked at thoughts, emotions, your presence. At which point did we skip over the individual? Where is it? Where is he? No, she? There is no such one. There is only this being, and this being is not individual.

Ananta

So your thoughts are designed to convince you that this being is an individual being, and yet if you just met your being, you will realize that it has no boundary. So therefore it cannot be individual. So we are caught in a huge speculative idea about the existence of an individual entity. And literally Advaita is to show you that there are no two, non-duality. I have not seen as much self-concern, the concern for the false one, as there is in spirituality anywhere in the world. This is the most contradictory thing. Spirituality is where we come to get over ourselves, but because the spiritual checkup guy in our head takes over... I have not seen at work, I have not seen outside in other groups, other things, but the amount of self-concern we have in seeming spirituality is more than anywhere else. So let's change that. Be concerned only with God.

Ananta

Because through the pride, nobody has ever found God. So to use our breath—and I can speak volumes about how breath is helpful to let go of the mind, all of that—but we don't just have to trust me. Don't worry. Use that. Use a prayer which highlights the magnificence of the holy presence of God and also the insignificance of this 'me'. To genuinely see the contrast between the magnificence of God and the insignificance of me is humility. So that is why both those aspects are highlighted in the prayer. And then we ask for the greatest blessing that is possible: it is to meet God's light in our heart. As we try this, you will find that everything resolves. There is no posture of somebody remaining open and empty and tracking their progress. There are no tricks that the mind can play. It will try everything, of course, but because the tools are potent, it will become difficult for the mind to trick you. And in your humility, that is your only chance to experience unconditional love. With an iota of pride, that cannot be felt.

Ananta

So that love then becomes your beautiful support, your anchor. All the oscillations that we are troubled by, so many reports we made about, 'When this happens, then I'm shaking. When this happens, I can't remain open and empty.' Now you find an anchor within you. That's all. The rest of it, the presence itself will do. We may then naturally rest, remain where only the presence is apparent. The state of savikalpa samadhi, that is when we are truly tasting open and empty. And to go through this into that where the Self is recognized but there is no time, there is no space—it is like sleeping but not asleep. That is the true invitation contained in the phrase 'open and empty', in the pointer to recognize what you know when you know nothing. And this is also called Shiva, the highest, the Absolute.

Ananta

All the resistance that is coming is about what is the price we are paying for this lottery ticket? Nothing. So I remind... some of you were not there and I said people said to Ramana, 'If God is within us, if the Self is right here, you see, which is your teaching, why do you keep telling everyone do the pradakshina?' So he basically, maybe he got tired of the question, so he said, 'Okay, just quietly do it. What will happen? You'll lose some weight, right? That's all.' Okay, so what do you lose? And I have a very strong feeling, that intuitive knowledge, that as you try this, most of our lives are going to be transformed. And truly what I've been trying to communicate for 12 years will actually be met now, not that it has been completely unmet so far, but the depth in which we are living in God's light, the intensity of God's presence being felt in our life, that will deepen.

Ananta

Okay, let's see. Georgie has a question.

Seeker

Hello Father. Can you repeat that? I said I need my camera off.

Ananta

Uh oh, you can try. Everyone, maybe just one camera on should be fine.

Seeker

Oh, I meant you can put it on and see. Yes. Okay. And you can hear me okay?

Ananta

Yes, I can hear and see you fine. Yeah, this should be good.

Seeker

Okay. I had a couple of questions about... maybe it's more of a report about the prayer, because mine has become a lot more attacky. There have been a lot more attacks of mind and other sorts, and I feel it's because of this new guidance. I don't know. I don't know if I have anything else to say about that, just that as a report.

Ananta

I see, yes. But during the process, how is it?

Seeker

No, not during the process, no. Just during the day.

Ananta

Yeah. So what is happening during the process?

Seeker

Okay, during the process, a quiet thing. The mind quiets down and there's stillness and, like you said before, it is seen that all the concern about all this stuff, noise, it doesn't make much sense. And remember that I told you about how self-inquiry creeps in? It has been creeping in every time, and so I wanted to ask you about that too, because it seems like I can't stay away from self-inquiry.

Ananta

That's a very good first-world problem to have. All right, that's very good. So I don't know whether we were sharing when the broadcast was on, but I was saying that if there are some of you for whom self-inquiry has become very natural, you see, then what you could do is just after the Laya samadhi part, you could go to self-inquiry. Atma Vichara is completely fine to do. If there are some of you very naturally attracted to inquiring, it's completely fine.

Seeker

Yes, it feels that the prayer makes inquiry easier.

Ananta

Yeah. Maybe I was feeling it is too soon, and there are some other things also coming soon, but I'm trying to just pace it out for all of you. But maybe since you mentioned it, it's a good time to say that after the stillness of the mind in Laya samadhi, self-inquiry is much easier and it's very important. So you could use that instead of Bhava samadhi if you wanted.

Seeker

And that is exactly where you're leading me to. My three questions I had, that's the third question I have for you. Because I know you talked about Laya samadhi and I wrote them down, Bhava samadhi, but I'm still not clear what they are. I don't know if there's a text that you've written, because I don't want to ask you about it if you've spoken about it a lot.

Ananta

But we will be publishing also a video which again takes the excerpts of what I have said and clarifies. But just the short version is that we use the prayer and our breath, so prayerful breath, to dissolve the mind to a great extent, most of you.

Seeker

I know you talked about Laya samadhi and I wrote them down, Baba samadhi, but I'm still not clear what they are. I don't know if there's a text that you've written, because I don't want to ask you about it if you've spoken about it a lot.

Ananta

But we can be publishing also a video which again takes the excerpts of what I have said and clarifies. But just the short version is that we use the prayer and our breath, so prayerful breath, to dissolve the mind to a great extent. Most of you are already tasting that the mind is much quieter. So Laya itself means dissolution or to come to unity. So that itself, for many, this itself may be enough. But those who want to dive in deeper, if there are some of you who find that there is the presence of unconditional love which seems very natural here at least to find, then you could just be completely empty in the head and anchored in the heart when you choose to be.

Seeker

Clear. When you talk about this, I guess this is Bhava samadhi you're talking about now?

Ananta

Yes, that's right, that's right. Very colloquially, bhava is emotion. But really, this love that I'm talking about is beyond emotion, but there is no better term that I have found for it yet. So that is just the no-mind anchored in the presence of unconditional love is Bhava samadhi. So with sound effects, if you hear this music, know that you're in Bhava samadhi. Yeah, okay, it's a joke.

Seeker

All right. So are you talking about these things as if they were steps? Like as if it's good?

Ananta

Yeah, because in a way they are and in a way they are not. So this is in the self-inquiry, you would say 'Who am I?' Then when a thought would come, you would ask 'Who witnesses these thoughts?' And if the answer came 'I witnessed them,' then we would go back and say 'Who is this I?' So in a way, they're the same question over and over. But it also can seem like steps. In the same way, at one level, it is happening very naturally that your mind is dissolving, the presence of love is found. So it's not about invoking, 'Okay, now Laya samadhi, the mind dissolved, and then now invoking the love.' Yeah, like to follow the steps that Father said. It's not like that, is it? You're more describing what would—it's an intuitive process. Because after the dissolution of the mind, there's not much that it is useful for. That it's not useful anyway, but you cannot really use it for making steps or anything. Just intuitively something will move to subtler realms, you see? That's why I said that it's just one movement from the gross to subtle and beyond the subtle. But just to provide the instruction, all the stages have been given.

Seeker

And the—I'm sorry if I—

Ananta

No, this is very important for everyone because I always feel like everything is very clear to everybody. So it's very important that I hear the question.

Seeker

I just wanted to make sure that the instruction part is just the prayer and the format of the prayer, but not the other part when you talk about the samadhis and all of that. That's not part of the instruction, that's just—

Ananta

Yes, not the multiplication part. That part has been causing some trouble, so maybe we'll give it some time. Where I've been talking about loving God actively and seeing how love can be done, then also struggle is happening over there. We can graduate to it in a few weeks. There's no rush.

Seeker

Struggle with loving God?

Ananta

Yes, like an active, an active process of loving God. You can do the love, but yeah, mind will attack that with the full ferocity. Or no, okay, that's good. So for those who feel like it's too much, you just start with one prayerful breath. Very, very simple. Like I was saying the other day, breathing you have to do anyway. So all of you have become Maha yogis and you don't need to breathe, you see? So breathing you're doing anyway. Just coordinate a little with your Atma and coordinate a little bit with the words of the prayer. See what happens. So if some of you feel just comfortable with that part, start with that part. Naturally, you're tasting the beauty of this, you're finding that the mind has lost its intensity. Anything natural. Through both, experience the presence of love, but also notice that you can love, you can actively love God. Then you do it actively. Otherwise, just remain with the presence of the love that you're experiencing. Forget about the active part if it seems confusing.

Seeker

Is there a difference between the two? Uh, yes, yes, that part I have trouble with. I don't see a difference between—

Ananta

Yeah, if these are very subtle things, so don't worry. We will—we can not overcomplicate it at this point. So whatever seems most natural to you in the process, let's go for a few weeks with that. And then let's see. A lot of this, I'm expecting that this Satguru within will also reveal to all of us.

Seeker

That's good. I feel to say that love, yes, it can be active, but I don't see a difference between active love and the love that is here.

Ananta

Yes, whether there is a qualitative difference between the active love and the love that is here? No, no. And but—I heard the question as if you're saying that one is just to say, 'Ah, yes,' and the second is to love God. The love is the same, of course. And there are—and what you're saying is there are two different ways of approaching that love. Yes, one is to just experience that it is there, and second is to just love God without thinking about it, without categorizing, with the innocence of a child. Right now, sharing the Papaji story of Papaji saying to the child, 'Give God the sweet,' you see? Give God the sweet. And in the innocence of a child, the child wouldn't question, but the mother would have that question saying, 'How can you give God the sweet?' Important. And Father, in this 'love God,' can I have—so you are—yes, that is important for now. Yes, that is important. That is—I understand you to invoke the meniscus of your small 'i' and that is—our relationship has to come to a point where it does not have to be burdened by rationality. Right?

Seeker

Absolutely. I can follow that here. Yeah, this time you're giving a step-by-step instruction, so yeah, I want to make sure that it's all aligned. So Father, in this one 'love God' where you're saying, are we talking about swarupa God like Krishna or Ram, or we are talking about—

Ananta

Either way, either way. I believe some may find it very easy to love from Jesus, Allah. You may find it easier to frame it in that way for themselves. Some may just say God itself. Some may just say Om. Some—whatever, whichever. We just love God. Yes, for most. But some have conditions about it, so for them it will be much more difficult. So if I force it and say, 'No, no, it has to be a form,' then because they've had some conditions, some belief systems about it, that will be difficult for them. But for most, yes.

Seeker

Because you're saying active love, and it feels more like a subject-object love when you say that. So maybe it's easier to say 'love Jesus' in this case for you to love God. It's—use it. If your prayer is the Jesus prayer anyway, then that will be natural also.

Ananta

I also want to tell you all that where these instructions are coming from, that one is the one that you're meeting in your heart through this process anyway. So a lot of that guidance will come within as well. And if there's still doubts, you can always bring up and ask me. But yes, for now, I was telling some of the children: don't worry about doing it badly, just do it.

Seeker

Yeah, I know. Just last thing, Father. I noticed that you didn't really answer my first question, but I take that as a sort of answer.

Ananta

No, no, please ask me again. What was it? And if I don't want to answer, I'll say I don't want to.

Seeker

Yeah, yeah. Because I didn't really ask a question, I guess. To be fair, I didn't really ask a question. I said that it seems mind—it seems to be really a psychic that is happening throughout the Sangha. Reacting throughout the Sangha where mind attacks the most absurd things: fears, conditions, wanting to run away, all kinds of things.

Ananta

Perhaps don't worry. I feel it's the power of your guidance, I feel that's what it is. But something wants to do something about that. If there was more room being created for the mind, which itself is what the mind is resisting with, then the mind would want to be more in it, not run away from it. Hey, I know that sounded a bit complicated. So what is the mind resistance? The mind is saying, 'Oh, this is so mindy, there's this, this is much more mind, I'm gonna go from here.' But if there was more space being created for the mind, the mind would say, 'I'm going to live here, I really want to.' Because the mind is actually getting squeezed. And now, through God's grace, through God's hand, such a beautiful unfolding is happening which is going to bring us away from conceptual Advaita to a real tasting of God's light and God's presence. The mind is bound to want to run, and it's going to press every single button.

Seeker

Thank you so much. And I told you before, but it's very powerful, what you bring to us. Thank you.

Ananta

The other point is that we may start with this in the day, but we must remain open and empty then throughout the day. So this just gives us the escape velocity, as I've been saying, just to escape the gravitational pull of the mind so that we can remain in God's light throughout the day. Now, whether for that you need to repeat the prayer every few minutes, or you feel like you can return to the anchor of love, or truly with integrity if you feel that you can just remain in God's presence, then any of that is—for now, I'm leaving it open to all of you. But the point is not to just start the day in samadhi and then leave the rest of the day for the mind, but to remain in samadhi throughout the day.

Seeker

So it's okay if during the day we feel we've shifted, then we go back to the prayer?

Ananta

Yes, yes, yes. You will start getting a very strong intuitive sense of all of this, like it's just guided by your heart so beautifully. Sometimes you'll just be able to return to the presence, sometimes if you want to stay with the love, sometimes if the mind is really bashing you, you realize in your heart that to pray to God, to use the breath, is helpful. Like now, I'm actually already seeing all of you shining so lightly in my heart.

Seeker

Father, thanks for starting the topic, because my first question was to ask you how do you discover the true self? And I've been hearing you for the last while and I'm still not—in terms of, is it—devotion does not come naturally in me, the bhakti or the devotion or the love what you're talking. Other than open and empty the mind, is there some other ways which I could have at least a glimpse of the true self? Because that's evading me.

Ananta

So we're gonna share a video with you where I've defined the steps to what we are calling the Atma Darshan samadhi. Making some changes to make it really as simple as possible to everyone. So I'm going to share that also with you. If you remind me on WhatsApp or something, I will send it to you and have a look at that. Try it, and then if there's some reports, some difficulty, we can look specifically about that. So just for this reason, before—just for this reason, I just felt so strongly over the past few months that I want to be able to talk about this with everyone. But so far, the way the expression has been has been very like—to the mind, very difficult to grasp. How do we open and empty? Is this open? The mind is—is it very difficult? So now for the first time, I've sort of laid out a series of steps that may be more approachable to those who are new to satsang.

Seeker

Initially, because you said you don't really feel a lot of devotion anymore, just do it mechanically. I will—first one, another in the first one, just like you've ever done any pranayama or something.

Ananta

Yeah, but that also doesn't—I mean, I don't look forward to do it here. I've done it, but just give it initially. Maybe you don't have to look forward to it, right? So yeah, I have to do it just for them. Yeah, just mechanically we have to do because if we categorize—

Ananta

Initially, because you said you don't really feel a lot of devotion anymore, just do it mechanically. I will first answer the first one. Just like you've ever done any pranayama or something? Yeah, but that also doesn't—I mean, I don't look forward to doing it. I've done it, but just give it initially. Maybe you don't have to look forward to it, right? So, yeah, I have to do it just for them. Just mechanically we have to do, because if we cater to the mind so much to find something exactly to its preference, it's going to always run from it. No, the mind is never going to find anything that's going to lead to its dissolution. It's always going to say, 'This one, this one.' Just find some way to take a stand also within your heart and see it. If I feel like there's something truly to be discovered here, you see, it's just like for your next retreat, if you had to go to the most beautiful spot in the world, you see, but for that you have to climb like three kilometers or something up a mountain. You see, I have to go through some of that to get to that point. So if you really feel in your heart there's something there, then you can't mollycoddle the mind so much and say you just have to overcome it a bit. Of course, the mind hates that. 'Give me something that I want and I like.'

Ananta

Yes, one says, 'Father, somehow feels like being in the space of Para-bhakti after doing the prayers.' Yes, true love for God. Let me see, I already answered the question of resistance from the outside. Yes, one says, 'Father, in the beginning it felt mindly. The spiritual ego said I have already walked this devotional path and I need Jnana.' And today we sort of clarified that also for those of you who are truly in the heart, not running, but you're truly in the heart and feel that you would rather inquire than love, then use the inquiry. And maybe that for you also, I can share more with you. So there are a few requests for different variations of the prayer helping me. No problem. Yes, yes, this video that we're making is for everyone to use. She wants to share something with us all, but she has to be here to share. Can you hear me? Yes, yes. Okay, good.

Seeker

I would just like to share something if I can. Oh no, I cannot this way. So I'm gonna just do this. Thank you. Thank you so much. See you soon. They're saying, 'Okay, show again.' Thank you. We've been talking about Atma Darshan so much. I will be with or without... obviously all the tears are happy tears, but you can clarify everything. I don't know if they're happy or sad, but with Advaitic tears, I guess. Full mortality, I don't know. I just really felt I needed to come up. And the prayer has just been so beyond anything that I can express, and it's like everything in one place, you know? It's everything you need. Yes, and it does everything. Like, it burns everything and it exposes everything and it creates the ability to just really remain open, you know? And to remain in that openness. And I don't understand it at all, and I don't need to. And I say it all the time, in the morning and at night, and it's spontaneous. And everything that arises because of it is spontaneous too, whether it's inquiry or this love. And it deepens the invitation so much, so much. So it's really amazing. It's a miracle, really. And so much sensation in the body, but it's okay. It doesn't matter. Like, it doesn't need to come with any narratives anymore. Like, it's fine to be. Everything's fine to be what it is and how it is, and there's no why or how to it. It just is. Even the burning that comes up is just Grace, and there's love in that too.

Ananta

Very good. Anything else you wanted to say?

Seeker

I don't know. I feel like I can talk forever, but it's new to talk and not complain. Like, usually I complain when I report. So there's kind of like nervousness about it. No, I'm not—there's not really nervousness. I don't know. I just don't know. I feel like I have so much to say, but I just don't know. If you know, like, it feels like something wants to be said, but nothing comes. I don't know. Maybe we could have a good day at work. Thank you. Yeah, thank you. I love you. I love you a lot.

Ananta

Okay, just these two more and a bit early today. Baby is here. I haven't heard from her. Hello.

Seeker

Father, I wanted to speak to you because I feel somehow I've been a bit gripped by this negativity lately more, and it feels hard to find my heart again. And actually, this prayer that you spoke about, I was sometimes doing just naturally when the mind was attacking. I just felt to repeat like a holy mother or something, just some name of something, and it was helping. But it still felt like a fight, like I have to really not give into this negativity. And then it felt like effort growing in my strength. But lately, I don't know, it's just like everything I try, I'm making this worse. Like I'm creating this frustration.

Ananta

Yes, I'll be with you in a moment. You have to go over there. Sorry, I think I've been keeping you back. Okay, my love, I'm with you again. Yeah.

Seeker

Yes, and I feel there is some strong stubbornness in me or some fakeness. Then I don't know really how to get over myself, you know? Like you say, we have to be empty of ourselves.

Ananta

You don't have to do anything new except what I'm telling you now. So you don't have to figure out how. I'm already showing you how. And now I'm showing you very simple things which the mind will resist initially because it will try to use our knowledge and say, 'I like this, I don't like this one so much.' All that, just let it go. But what happened is that reminded me of my children. You're right, this is the childish stubbornness. This is reminding me of my kids when they were young, because when I would tell them something, they would just go, 'Okay.' That's so sweet. Is there something like when you open and empty over here, or just remaining in your heart, remaining in the prayer, any specific thing that you have trouble with?

Seeker

Like, for example, when I'm praying, there is this feeling like there's this strong, dense energy inside me, like a negativity. And it feels like I'm trying to focus on something and it's just like there. And maybe I'm trying to get rid of it, or I don't know.

Ananta

Don't worry. So now, even if this energy is strong—which I don't feel like in God's light any energy is strong—but suppose that you have some energy inside it, then is it best to pray or not to pray?

Seeker

It's good to pray. The only thing is sometimes when it becomes very—like when I'm tired and depressed and all these things—when I'm saying this prayer, some frustration grows. Like, I can't—it doesn't go. Look, it's still there. And I tried so much yesterday and now it's still back. And then I'm just like fighting with myself. Yeah, did you feel like that sometimes?

Ananta

And it's okay to feel like that sometimes. It's only been very few days since we started. Then as this deepens, you will find that you're getting an anchor for life. You're finding a shield against the mind's temptations and an ability to live in God's light for the rest of your life. So if you go through a few days and weeks of a little bit of struggle, it's all right. Okay? Don't struggle with the struggle. Allow the struggles. Many of the Sangha members are also struggling a little bit with this at this point as well. Don't feel like you have to overcome everything today. Don't worry. This is a beautiful project which will help you for the rest of your life. Don't aim for perfection. Just do it badly. I want this to be done badly by everyone. Yeah, it's good what you said before. Just do it mechanically. Do it in any way, just do it. Because the mind is resisting it like, 'Oh, it's not gonna work and it's gonna make it worse.' That's the thing that catches me. 'I'm making things worse.' So, do you feel like the mind would ever warn you if there was something that would make it worse? It's not right. Do you feel like the mind would ever warn you if there was something that would make the mind worse? It'll just be quiet about it. It'll encourage us. 'Very good, very good. Come, come home to me.' But now it's saying, 'Oh, this will make the mind worse.' It would never warn you if it was true. It is not possible that you learn how to live in God's light and the trickster, the imposter, becomes worse. It's just not possible. It feels like it becomes worse because it's fighting to stay there. This is its job. It will fight. But you know, light within will win. It will win. You don't rush. You'll be fine. Thank you. Thank you.

Seeker

Even I'm experiencing a lot of mind attacks, please.

Ananta

How do you know that?

Seeker

I mean, I feel like strong anger.

Ananta

How do you know?

Seeker

I can see that. I can feel that energy, Father. But I also try to notice the silence behind this.

Ananta

How do you notice it? Like, the judge of 'lot' or 'little bit' is which one? I didn't get you. So, is this a big hand or a small hand? There must be something else to compare. What can make the judgment?

Seeker

You're right, that some reference point has to be there. But also the intellect, the mind aspect or the intellect, is the judge of these things.

Ananta

So sometimes there's a mosquito or something and that seems like it's a lot of something. Sometimes there's so much pain in the body, but we feel like this is nothing at all, it's just a body. But what judges these things? My mind. And then yes, because for your reality, nothing is a lot. This whole universe is nothing for your reality. So don't get scared. Don't get pressurized by your mind.

Seeker

And then also there is this thing which I want to tell you, that there is this opportunity in Indira. That's a job opportunity. It's located nearby the satsang hall Kendra. So I'm not yet sure if I would get the opportunity, but I just want to inform it to you.

Ananta

I'll be very happy. I'll be very happy. Maybe. Okay, let's go to Ananda, an online member.

Seeker

Hello, Father. I don't have the camera, the computer is broken. I kept putting up and down the hand. I'm just noticing a lot of mind activity and just wanted to expose grasping, a lot of grasping. Okay, there's a lot of writing. Why do you want to—I don't know if there's a noticing that it's like making fun. For instance, writing, 'Are you there? Are you there? Are you there?' and you know I'm there. Thoughts are coming and sharing that, and then there's no answer. And then the thought will come, 'See, they don't like you anymore because you're bothering them.' And then this mind play starts happening and it's getting a bit too much. And like even right now that it's morning and there's usually just lying down and just knowing that the mind's trying to understand, that's all that's doing because it just wants to misunderstand. And it's bringing up a lot of memory continuously as the eyes are closed and I feel a bit overwhelmed at the moment.

Ananta

If you can see me, you can see me. You can just pause for a moment. So the main theme of satsang today was the unreality of 'me' and the only reality of God. Yeah, the reality of God. And not only is this being proposed to you, you are also being provided the tools with which to find this to be your reality now. Can you frame your report from God's perspective? Because what is the point of spending time?

Seeker

Thank you, Father. From God, nothing's happening. There's nothing happening from God. Besides God, is there anybody here? Besides God, is there anyone ever present? I mean, never space present.

Ananta

Okay, another thought. If God is real, if God is real, is there space for another one?

Seeker

No.

Ananta

Then I love you so much. To fall for the same trick where the mind will propose the existence of another one, whereas in reality only God is real. And now you actually have no excuse because the simplest methods are being provided to everyone. So all you have to do is...

Ananta

There's nothing happening from God, and besides God, is there anybody here? Besides God, is there anyone ever present? And I mean never space present. Okay, another thought: if God is real, if God is real, is there space for another one? No. Then I love you so much, so to fall for the same trick where the mind will propose the existence of another one, whereas in reality only God is real. And now you actually have no excuse because the simplest methods are being provided to everyone. So all you have to do is just breathe and come to God. That's right. Thank you, thank you.

Seeker

Okay, Father, I want to come for a minute. I do the prayer and at home it is good for me to pray. But when I am in the train or at my work, it is very hard. I often feel so much pressure, and also the pressure from outside. And there are some things which come very strongly. This is also last, and I know it doesn't matter what comes, but this triggers me a lot. And so I just wanted to come up and to expose it to you. And thank you that I can do it, and thank you for the prayer. Thank you.

Ananta

All this form of resistance will come. Start off very naturally. At home, you say it's quite easy, so start like that. And then if you're guided during the day to do it, just do it. Don't worry about how well you're doing it, whether you're distracted or not distracted. Don't judge yourself strongly. Just as natural as possible, because the steps are actually very, very simple. So it will become more and more natural as you go along doing it. Right, yeah. Thank you, thank you. What, somebody wants to enter the video?