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The Instant You Truly Turn Away From the Mind, God Is Inevitable – 4th November 2022

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Ananta guides seekers to abandon the mind's deceptive narratives and spiritual pride, urging a radical 'jump' into the heart's presence. He emphasizes that true freedom requires surrendering all conceptual understanding to experience the living divinity within.

The only way to experience your true self is to turn away from the mind; you cannot find God there.
I don’t want to be an accessory to your peace; my purpose is to get you out of your head.
Don’t buy the story. Turning away from the voice of falsehood instantly brings you to the presence of God.

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Transcript

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Seeker

Thank you. Thank you very much. I put the nicotine patches on to just get off regarding an addiction. It's been done before. Two days ago, what happened? I took, I put the nicotine patches on, I see, to quit vaping and it happened naturally. And maybe the particular words that in substance, I always turn off the camera and then have a quick one and then go back to satsang. And you said, you don't want to worry or you don't mind the action and actions of body. Can you hear well? Yes, yes. But it was like there is love, you know, and love, yes. Not the—I don't want any chemicals that play so nasty that you used to cover all violence and all of that and connected with the belief, yes, to cover the beautiful light over the true self. So if—I love you so much. I'm so grateful to the Sangha because that is my home. And it would be much nicer to bring lots of flowers to your feet, but this is what is placed to your feet, to your grace. And no matter what the body does, when it's time to go, it will go. There's no really, you know, the result. It's been troubling me our life because this nicotine world, like my wrong friend, looking at it from the wrong place. But it was also connected with the body that was fighting to protect, yes, not all of myself but others and so on. That's the narrative that is wasting of time.

Ananta

No, good, good. So I want to say a few things about this because this is how Grace works. Just few minutes before coming to satsang, I advised another friend that they should stop smoking weed, especially if they're going to come to the light of God. Then I feel like that sacrifice is the least among the sacrifices we can make, but it can feel like a lot if you're addicted to it or if you're used to it. So I'm so happy to hear this report that although I rarely ever comment on the outward functioning of this body and it's really about the open and empty, but sometimes, you know, it's good to really take a stand in our heart and say, 'No, this is not serving me, this is not helping me.' And anything that prevents you from being completely sober in satsang, you see, it's not in service to you. So satsang should make you high. It is high enough.

Seeker

It does, yeah. So I'm very happy that you've taken this step and hopefully with you in this and all my support, all my blessings are there that you get through with this fully. There have been a few examples already of those who are coming to satsang and they used to smoke a lot and things and they just fell away in some sense. So it is my blessing that the same happens here as well. Thank you. May I say something? Yes, of course. What mind does is that it's saying there is the—is bringing then like a chemical nastiness to the—that feels, you know, whole body and psychic, yes. It's more psychological mind than the normal mind because intellect can play with it, but the true self, there is no addiction. So if there is any excuse, like I would like to ask for your help to look at this, yes, and just about to say that to look through the belief and just dissolve that because it doesn't—but I know it's mind saying it doesn't exist, but also it doesn't exist. So the power, there is Guru, Satgurus here, so nothing is stronger than the light. If you could guide me into that.

Ananta

Very good. So if I heard the question correctly, really the mind can play this trick and I'm very glad that you were spotting it. So either way, the mind can say, 'But the Self is not touched by this.' Okay, but the Self is not touched by this aspect of Consciousness being in heaven or hell either, you see? The Self, the true Self, the Absolute, is untouched by it. But Consciousness playing in these ways, you see, comes to satsang because they experience the hell of a human existence, which is mind-oppressed. You see, they experience the hell of the human experience under the slavery of the mind, and you want to be free from that mental oppression. And that is the heaven that is possible to you because in Consciousness' amazing design of this Maya, in the hypnosis of the highest, of the biggest addiction that we have, which is the addiction to the mind, in the hypnosis of the mind, our true Self seems to get blurred. Only seems to, but that 'seems to' is hell, you see? Hell is only a seeming.

Ananta

So we come to satsang because we want to be free from that and we want to live in God's house, which is your heart, which is your presence, you see? So I'm very glad that you can see through these tricks of the mind which will say, 'Yeah, but you know, the true Self is not affected.' But the true Self is not affected if you go through a million lifetimes of hell also, you see? For the true Self, it is not, you see? So we come as Consciousness speaking with Consciousness, reminding ourselves that you as Consciousness do not have to have this hellish experience in the human condition, you see? So very good. The mind will throw all these things. It will say, 'But what's the need? In reality, nothing changes.' But in reality, nothing has ever changed, you see? So why don't we do a pub instead of satsang every Friday for some of your morning? But this is Friday evening time in Bangalore. So why do we come here instead of that? Because the true Self is not affected, no? So that a living Consciousness, you see, a breathing Consciousness, realizes its reality of the unchanging Self, you see, instead of identifying with the comfortable hell of individuality.

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Ananta

So this is very, very good. So clearly all these things which can make us suffer in the human condition, we must throw them to the fire. You must want to throw them into the fire of our surrender. And this is what I mean by: you must die to yourselves. You must die to yourself while you're living so that you can experience the living heaven while in the waking state. So very good. You can spot the trickster with its tricks. You can spot, in fact, you spot it as the mind, and then you know that it is not trying to help. It is pointing to what you need to sacrifice, you see, instead of what you need to embrace.

Seeker

It's like when the mind is saying whatever is said, it's not that.

Ananta

Exactly, exactly, yeah. And you can test it out. You can test out the nature of the mind. So I've been saying this, that if I say to you, 'Don't think of a sunset,' then immediately the mind produces the image of something. Or a famous example, 'pink elephant,' and immediately the mind produces that. So if this is the kind of friend that the mind can be, which is does the opposite of what we want, you see, then how come we go to it for advice in terms of guidance of the truth when it is opposing us in the simplest request? 'Don't think of an orange or a banana.' We start thinking of that. So what kind of friend is it? It is showing you defiance immediately. It is showing you the opposite of what you want immediately.

Ananta

So if you want God, it is not at all intelligent to go to the mind for advice. If you want to experience your true Self, if you want to live in God's presence, it is not at all advisable to go to this one who is the voice of individuality, of difference. Very good. So very good, keep smelling it out like that, you see? In the same way that you can smell the mind and say, 'I see you, I see you, this is the mind,' in the same way you can also smell for the call from your heart where you know that you are timeless, where you know that you are the unknown, where you know auspiciousness from inauspiciousness. It can seem initially like a subtler voice. It can seem unrecognizable in the beginning, but it is there. It is how you answer the inquiry 'Who am I?' It can only be answered from your heart. Every single beautiful question in the invitation can only be answered in the heart. 'Are you aware now?' 'Can you stop being?' cannot be answered in the head. And if you are answering in the head, then it is just spiritual ego, yes.

Ananta

We have to be able to look at it from the heart because this is the human condition. You will always have two voices calling, you see? One is a loud, rushing voice saying, 'Come, come, you're missing out, come right now,' you see? And the other is a quieter call for the truth, which is not so affected by time, which is not in a rush. But because you're in satsang, that is enough evidence to show me that you are ready for the call of the heart. You're ready for the call of the heart. But the thing is that when you start hearing the call of the heart, then the mind's voice sometimes starts to shout louder, starts to say, it starts to become more judgmental, it starts to say more strongly, 'Excuse me!' But to keep smelling in this way and to keep returning to the call of the timelessness within you, of God's presence within you, that is the seeming journey.

Ananta

Although you return to it instantly, you see, this is the gift: the instant you truly turn away from the mind, God is inevitable. You see, it is not work to find God. All it needs is for you to turn away from the voice of lies, from the voice of falsehood, you see? We don't even have to go to the truth. This is the magnificence. All you have to do is turn away from the false. And turn away also—you don't have to even work with your attention, just turn away with your belief, you see? Because turning away with our attention can seem more difficult. 'No, no, don't think, don't think,' then no thoughts, you see? But even that you don't have to do. Anything can come in your attention, just turn away in your beliefs. Don't buy the story. The story can still appear. Just in this turning away right now, you come to the presence of God. No additional work is needed.

Ananta

You don't have two steps. Not step one: turn away from mind, and step two: turn towards God. Step one includes both the steps. The only way to hear the call of the heart, the only way to experience your true Self, the only way in which God's presence is, is to turn away from the mind. You cannot expect to go to the mind and find God. So a lot of times in Advaita, there is a danger that we become super smart and we say that, 'Yes, yes, but mind is also God,' you see? Yes, of course it is also God, but the design of the mind in God's play is to create a living hell for you. So the turning away is very important to do as Consciousness. You cannot have your cake in this way. You cannot put one foot in the highest and try to keep one foot in the ego. It is not possible like that.

Seeker

Thanks for that. There is also recently—was surprised that thank you very much for destroying the spiritual ego that was noticed and I don't know how to say that else, but also the pride and beyond all of this that was quite surprising to realize. And the base for that was there was the pride. So all of this is put in your fire, you know, it's false. So there's no place for that here.

Ananta

Wonderful, wonderful. I'm very happy to hear this because pride is usually a blind spot, right? It's usually a blind spot because the words of pride many times start sounding like the words of satsang, so it's difficult to spot. And I'm so happy that you have been able to smell it and spot it and dethrone it from its kingdom. Amazing. So I'm very happy to hear that. That's very cool.

Seeker

So this one more thing is, one more thing. Maybe he's doing, I don't know how to say that, but like I'm begging for the vigilance, yes, for that clarity and to be able to spot instantly and not to be tempted because the one who is tempted will burn as well, yes.

Ananta

Full blessings, full love. May it be so, may it be so. And but remember that in the moments where the voice of temptation seemed real and it was believed, then when it is spotted that it seemed real and it was believed, then the idea is not to make—

Seeker

Maybe he's doing—I don't know how to say that—but like, I'm begging for the vigilance, yes, for that clarity and to be able to spot instantly and not to be tempted. Because the one who is tempted is the level of Brahman as well.

Ananta

Yes, full blessings, full love. May be so, may be so. But remember that in the moments where the voice of temptation seemed real and it was believed, then when it is spotted that it seemed real and it was believed, the idea is not to make ourselves guilty in any way, but just to surrender it that very instant and say, 'I was tempted, but now I see.' That's all. It is not 'I should not do that, I should stop doing this, when will this end?' None of that. Just return to the Divinity within you that very instant. That's the biggest antidote; that is the biggest solution today. Good start today. Okay, let's go to Snazza.

Seeker

Hello, hello. The question—I wanted to bring a few things to you, but now everything is now and it's different. So firstly, I would like to thank Bodhitara for bringing up the third thing I wanted to ask for your blessings. Last two years, I really went exaggerating in a kind of self-destroying way. Like, my mind would somehow rather kill the body than to let go. It's a mixture; it's hard to explain, or I don't want to use too much narrative about it. But it's time now that this, which was also helpful but also like an enemy... and I was often able to stop smoking for longer periods and then somehow I needed it to calm down the nervousness or anxiety or whatever. And I liked it also in a way, but now it went over all limits and I really ask for your blessing so that this can be left for good.

Seeker

And if I can, still I would like to report what happened since, or what is happening. Somehow, I don't know how to describe it, in maybe the last week or somehow, like the main triggers were the last retreat with Mooji and a few things he said which were really like striking. And your pushing all of us in the last satsang to the edge—at least I felt like that, and I also needed it. It was a crucial moment for that here. And it was like Mooji was saying in retreat: either you get crazy or you awake, no other choice. I was really at this edge. And when you were speaking about jumping, that not even knowing how—that if there is real humble intention that you jump and you don't know you jumped or you didn't or whatever happened—but it was happening like on Tuesday here with me. I don't know if I jumped or not, but I don't know. And last three days, it's like something is being revealed to itself finally differently as till now in the last, I don't know, eight years or since I'm following Mooji, or six years really intensely, and let's say two years also you. And I wanted to express real, real deep and humble gratitude to first Arunachala, Ramana, Papaji for Moojiji, and Moojiji for you. Thank you.

Ananta

Thank you. I want to say a few things about this, please. It's very good. So, I feel like I have been talking like this over the past couple of weeks, and I'm so happy that you came up and responded in this way because sometimes I start to wonder whether anyone is really listening to what I'm saying. So this is very good that you heard my invitation to jump, you see? And then that is meant to make you uncomfortable in some way, you see? It is not a comfortable instruction because I am not telling you how to jump. I am saying that you must risk it all; you must have full faith and jump. Now, if this was an instruction which was completely undoable, then no frustration would be caused by it because it would be like saying, 'Can you please go and change the kangaroo in your garden?' You see, you would have said, 'Oh, Ananta has lost his marbles,' you see, because it's undoable what he's asking us, right? And yet your mind complains that it is undoable in this case also because you don't know how to jump. You see, nobody's telling you how to jump, and yet it frustrates you because somewhere else you know it is the call for the truth.

Seeker

It is not—may I say something? I spotted it really, how the crucial first these questions, how the mind is like, 'Ah, ah, what's doing?' and then like a lack of courage and faith. And it was really like, 'Now you have to—this is the choice you have to make.' The only choice you have: or you go for it or not. This is the only two possible answers, and you have all the power to say or yes or no.

Ananta

Yes, and this was really like—exactly. This is exactly what it was meant to invite, exactly what it was meant to provoke. Because the mind will get frustrated with this, and then it stops being like a comfortable spirituality, you know? Once a week we attend satsang and it makes us a little peaceful, and then I can go around being a person for the rest of the week, and that bothers me, so I come to satsang with Ananta, you know, and then I feel like I'm rejuvenated for the rest of the week. This is not what spirituality is, you see? This is not what spirituality is. Spirituality is something so much beyond something that can be included in our life, you see? We want spirituality to be included in our life to make us peaceful. So I come and meditate a bit and I do some self-inquiry and I get some peace, so then the main part of my life then becomes more peaceful, you see? It is not meant to assist you in that way, you see.

Ananta

The true power is regaining control over this life which never belonged to the non-existent one in the first place. That's what satsang is for, you see? And this non-existent force which seems real in this living condition, the human condition, which is the ego, will obviously not like it. It will obviously not like it and say, 'No, no, now we are going a bit too far. I didn't come to satsang to jump out of my life. I didn't come to satsang to surrender myself fully, to get fully naked.' You see? 'I just wanted some help. Help to become a better person, a better parent, a better partner.' Then we are encountered with this, you see, that the true spirituality, the true quest for God, must mean a giving up for me, you see? It is when the cat sees in the mirror that there is no cat and yet says, 'So what should I do next?' It is to encounter that at that level and burn up the false, throw away the false, completely surrender that which we take ourselves to be. That is when the real rubber hits the road.

Ananta

So I don't want to be an accessory to your peace. I don't want to be an accessory to somebody's peace, so just like, 'Oh, I come to Ananta once a week, he has these beautiful sayings and then okay.' So now, if that's a byproduct, that's fine. I'm not opposed to that. But I'm saying that that is not my purpose. My purpose is to invite you into the heart where I found the much more valuable existence through my Father's grace. Get you out of the hell of your head into this Guru presence of the heart. And sometimes that friction is needed, you see? Because in spiritual ego, we get into a very comfortable hell which we don't recognize. Like what we said earlier, we don't recognize the trap. We feel like, 'Wow, I know this, I am this, nothing can touch me, my reality is untouched,' you see, all like in the mind. Because the words sound very much like satsang, we feel like we are onto something, we've got it, you see? So then we feel like, 'Ah, this is where I found.' So when I ask you to jump and I'm saying fully jump and you have to do it now, you cannot meet this instruction from the wrong place. And it is good to have that friction, you see? Whether the mind starts to steam and say, 'What is he saying? I'm gonna stop coming here.' You see, it's better to leave than to do this kind of stuff, you see? That's really important, you see.

Ananta

So there is no intention here to ever become popular, you see? There is no intention here to ever become popular because I see that popularity is contradictory to what we are sharing. The world loves to collect things; the world loves these attachments, you see? And most in the world are attached to the world. I am asking you to burn up everything. Who can follow that call? And I'm not even telling you how to light it up, and you're saying, 'Burn it off.' And it is an instruction that you can follow, and that is why it frustrates you, you see? That is why it frustrates you, because you can follow it in your heart but you can't follow it in your head. And that is where the frustration comes from. If it is completely undoable and you knew it, you would throw it away. You would say, 'Okay, now this part, it's not making sense, forget about it.' But somewhere it is sticking with you. Jump, jump, jump. It's staying with you, isn't it? And it's poking something, you see, saying, 'Yeah.' Why is it? Because I see a lot of things they don't bother you. They're like 99 out of 100 things I tell you, you may feel like you cannot do, they don't bother you. This one bothers you, you see? This one bothers you because you know you can do it.

Seeker

You are meeting that call like the heart—like the heart is starting to call you like this intrinsic intuition or knowing, yes, which is hearing it and it's getting stronger and stronger, the pull.

Ananta

Yes, exactly. So this is shaking you out of our comfort zone of spiritual understanding to a true meeting with God.

Seeker

Maybe if I can just say that I didn't come to Mooji or to you with this, in this way as you were describing now, as spirituality. And so I came like—maybe just say this—that in fact since 2014, my life is just falling really roughly apart with horrible things happening. And last two years, I was in constant, constant heavy mind attack and these were just the moments. And following just satsangs and Mooji and all others were just like tiny, tiny lights in real dark. So I'm so grateful beyond any words to all this. Morning I was listening to Mooji like saying, 'You can choose or you go now with the call of the outer world, yes, or you go to the sages which are standing six meters from here.' And here I also—I would beg you for your blessing that I don't react as I did two times when this recognition came. I misunderstood it like the recognition is something you get and it's permanent now, you are through the veil of illusions and you are there and all is done. And it was not so. And I reacted completely in opposite, so over-enthusiastic, like trying to repair all the bad things I did or were happening or I promised and I didn't do. And I was really going forensic. And I really hope that I—I need yours and Mooji's hand now really to calm down, calm down in slow recognition now. I don't need it fast, no fast process, but as much as I can and yeah.

Ananta

Hey, this is very good. To notice this excitement, is it? It's like, 'Oh yes, yes, oh it's so clear, there is no me, there's only the Self, so who can I talk to about this? What can I fix?'

Seeker

Follow your heart. So much arrogance, I didn't even know that it's in me, but it was too long, a monstrous huge, really. We can—like we were saying that it's very good that both of you have spotted this and called it out because it is this spiritual pride which is such a blind spot that it can grab us. And because the narrative is similar to the words of satsang, then it's very difficult to smell. So I'm so glad to hear both these reports, for both of you are able to spot this, you see? And say that this is pride, this is just a conceptual spirituality, a conceptual idea of what I've understood, not a true meeting in the heart.

Seeker

Yes, yes. I love you, thank you, thank you. You are my true Father, if you accept me as a child.

Ananta

Of course, of course, fully, fully. Thank you, thank you so much. Bless him.

Ananta

That is the true heart of a bhakta. Now, how—but it doesn't compute. Is your heart asking why, what's happening, right? The mind is in the practice. So for example, like, what is it saying? Yeah. So if I say—so the mind wants to achieve, the mind wants to get self-realization, wants—

Ananta

And not a true meeting in the heart. Facebook, yes, yes, I love you. Thank you, thank you. You are my true Father if you accept me as a child. Of course, of course, fully, fully. Thank you, thank you so much. Bless him.

Ananta

That is the true heart of a bhakta. Now, how? But it doesn't compute. Is your heart asking why? What's happening? Right, the mind is in the practice. So, for example, like what is it saying? Yeah. So if I say, so the mind wants to achieve, the mind wants to get self-realization, wants to become God or even bigger than God. But if I say to your mind, 'Are you aware now?' does the mind know the answer? If I say to the mind, 'Who are you? Who are you born? Do you have a boundary?' mind doesn't know any of the answers which are worth knowing, you see. What you know, you see. So this is what I mean by the two worlds. This one is the quieter one, is not shouting, saying 'Why? Why? Tell me.' It's just a holy presence within you. Yes, that Guru is sitting there now. Here, there is no difficulty in anything that I am pointing to you. Okay, okay.

Ananta

So if the mind is reporting that, okay, now another thing, but why should I take this? Who would be reporting a true pointing to you? Whose voice would you trust? Who will you take as a true guide? It is the same mind which also says, 'Why should I inquire? There is no individual doer, so who should do the inquiry?' The same mind says that, 'What is the need to inquire?' So this is just pure escapism that the mind proposes to you and says, 'No, no, you're done with that. Please, maybe he is talking to everybody else because I don't need to inquire anymore.' But why? Inquiry is a gift which we can give ourselves each moment, you see. A sage can live in inquiry all his life. So when something is resisted in that way, that itself tells you that something is trying to build up a defense. You see what is hiding behind that? There's a Master saying, 'Jump.' Why not jump? Isn't it? Why do I jump? Because it is scared of losing dominance. It is scared. It is saying, 'How? But how? I don't know.'

Ananta

So if I say to you, 'Be fully open and empty,' I've been saying open and empty for how many years? It's the same thing again, you see. But the problem with open and empty is that you've been seeing like, 'Um, yeah, I got this, bro,' or the job like, 'Do you open and empty and jump?' Gone. The comfort zone is gone, you see. So this is what I'm trying to shake up. I'm trying to shake up, okay? Because what can happen is that a mental concept of open and empty can be applied, you see, or the mental concept of being in the unborn or emotionless existence can be applied. So now I'm going to make sure I have enough contradictions in everything that I'm saying so that you remain uncomfortable. My job is to make you uncomfortable every time, you see. Because what will happen in a few weeks is that you will become comfortable with 'jump.' So then I have to keep coming up with something new to make you uncomfortable.

Ananta

How can you be made uncomfortable? If suppose I came in today and said to you that everything I've said so far has been all nonsense, I'm going to share a new spirituality which is the opposite of everything that I've said. Yeah, you see. 'But I have been following you two years, five years, ten years. Yeah, I am really... I think there's something wrong with you.' She's... I mean, there's something wrong with you. But if you become comfortable in what I'm sharing, where did you become comfortable? Is it in God's light? And if it is in God's light, does God's light have a problem with seeming intellectual contradictions? You see, where is the problem? Unless you meet me like this, the goose will not escape the walls, you know this is. Unless you're willing to meet me with full faith. Master says, 'I don't know how.' If you need to understand me, then your mind is still your master. Because then if I need to knock on the mind and say, 'Sir, please, here is my rationality, I can explain to you why,' and then you will let me in, then who's the true master? You see this?

Ananta

So when you come... I mean, I have... all questions are welcome. In spite of this, I'm very glad you bring it up. That means what I'm saying is having some impact, you see. Sometimes you're just hearing it so peacefully, I'm just like, 'Okay, speaking to all these kids.' So what's happening? So, so I'm glad it's causing some friction. Causing some friction because that means that you are not resting in a comfortable sort of conceptual narrative spirituality, you see, which is like, 'Yes, I am the Self,' and then something pokes you with that and then all that is out the window immediately. So either you give yourself up in this way or life squeezes it out of you. Or life, because if you're expecting life to always make sense, it's not going to happen. So meet your Master that doesn't make sense. Is it a fair demand from a disciple to a Master that the Master has to explain why? Then where is the faith? Then faith is only a fancy word. 'I fully... I have full faith in you as long as you can tell me why.' Is it clear?

Ananta

So who can follow? Because now they have done enough due diligence, they say, 'Yes, I can follow this one.' And enough due diligence, you've tested what has come from here, you can say, 'Okay, I can follow. I don't know how, but I will.' I'm not here to rationalize anything. If you can make sense of what I'm saying, I'm doing a very bad job. I said to another child that day, you have to pick whether you want to understand or whether you want to solve it. But if you say, 'I want to follow, but my way of following is with my understanding,' then you're not really following. I am not forcing anyone at all to follow. Not forcing anyone at all to follow. I am just saying that if you say that you follow me, if you say that I am your Guru, then what is the value of that Guru unless you follow? And I don't want a relationship where you say, 'Uh, you are Guru, but first you go through my hoops,' you see? 'You first tell me like everything, explain everything to me.' Then I'm just like a random friend, is it?

Ananta

So I don't want you to follow me because I make sense to you. I don't want you to follow me because of some things which have changed in your life. I don't want you to follow me because you experience some miracles, because everyone can follow like that. The thing in the broadcast is this: if this one is sitting here and then his head exploded and all you saw was a ball of light, see, then I don't need faith to follow. No, anyone will follow in the world. Anybody who saw that experience, they say, 'There is something here, I'm going to follow this one,' you see. So if it needs experiences or so-called miracles for you to follow me, if it needs me to make sense to you, whereas the whole project is unreasonable, it's beyond your reason, then what is we? Then Guru and disciple is lip service. If I have to encounter all your 'whys' and my job is to show you God, then this contradiction, this divided attention, and see, it can never bring one to God. I am willing to share the highest that my Master gave me, but you must be willing to make that which you consider the highest sacrifice.

Ananta

It's the best exchange possible. All you're giving up on is your narratives, and most of your narratives are your lamentations. So you're really giving up on nothing of value to receive the highest. Know that even one moment, an instant, a glimpse of God's light is worth hundreds of lives, millions of lives of pride and taking yourself to be something. So on both ends of the equation is a gift to you. Your giving up on yourself is a gift to yourselves, and your discovery of the highest levels is the highest gift to yourself. Neither end of the spectrum is a sacrifice, although it may seem like one. So my craziness needs to meet your craziness for this to work. Otherwise, not gonna work. If my craziness only meets your sanity, it's not an overtime, is it? For this to truly explode, there needs to be crazy on both sides. But a craziness enough to let go of the mind, not the mental idea of craziness or rebelliousness or some notion of craziness in the head. The desire to jump into your heart with full gusto without understanding anything or what is going to happen, that is the craziness that I mean.

Ananta

Let's go to Ananda.

Seeker

Thank you, Father. Thank you, thank you. Um, very much to report, like Schnauzer, very much. Um, truly want to say thank you. Well, thank you to Kaisha. Um, when I reached out to her, she, she drags me out of the pub with no excuse. Like she... and I can't even explain it in words. Um, she didn't allow the dialogue to... brought me to where I am. And, and the rest of the day was spent just following her words over and over. And it was just beautiful silence, joy, peace. Um, just enjoyed myself fully. And then about a few hours ago... okay, before we come to that part...

Ananta

Okay, I want to say something about this. I'm very happy to hear this because this is what a Sangha should be. That just like the Master's our refuge, God is our refuge, the Sangha should also be a refuge of sharing each other's life in this world rather than, you know, waiting, hiding. This is very good. So it's my submission, proposal to all of you that share your highest life. Share your highest level. Everyone is anyway sharing all the time, but many times what happens is that we become very sheepish. We become like, 'I don't want to be seen as arrogant' and all of these things. I'm not saying, I'm not giving any certificates of freedom or enlightenment to you. I'm just saying that all of you have had the benefit of the taste of this life, and from there you can share. You can share the meeting that you had with God's presence. So, so in this way, without appointing or anointing any teachers or anything like that, I feel like should really be serve... in service to each other in this beautiful way. So I'm very, very happy to hear this. Yes.

Seeker

Thank you, Julia. Both your feet, all this stuff. I also want to expose as well that um, beautiful, beautiful Judith as well. Beautiful has been giving so much and she doesn't allow the pub friends either. And um, I, I can see that... I don't know if this is true or not, but my... it's my beingness. It's as if my beingness is wanting to be with itself and sees itself in another and there is no difference between Kaisha, Bodhitara, Judith. They're all the same, just different names. And I don't know, but a few hours ago, after such peace and just enjoying my divine presence, and I don't know if this is true or not, but it felt like an energy went through me and that's what happens and it scares me. And uh, I also admitted to Kaisha that uh, some musicians has been coming up and it's searching going on Facebook, going outside a lot. I started smoking a lot, that's a big one. Um, pacing. Um, your last section when you say 'jump,' I, all I keep seeing is jumping. What, what do I have to do to jump? Do I just... um, it's just going crazy and there's a lack of being able to see it. And since your last satsang, there's such a fear coming out in the middle of the day, standing outside in daylight shaking when I don't know why I have this fear. And tonight it's five o'clock in the morning here, all night, and I can see my son as well who also follows you. Um, he... I could see him in his room that he was feeling something too from listening to you. I finally the body fell asleep um, and had horrific nightmare. And as soon as I woke up screaming from the nightmare and I saw was 4:30 and was so grateful that satsang was on. Yes. Um, I'm here, I'm here for this, Father. I'm holding your hands, so just don't let go of this hand.

Ananta

Yeah, so let's, let's see what we can say to do. So your job in all of this is very simple, okay? Your job in all of this is very simple. All you have to do is remain with yourselves, which is the absence of belief in the mind. And if that seems like too open and too vast, then remain in the presence of the Satguru within you. See the light of the I Am presence within you. That's all. That's all that your job is. But when you say that it would always hurt so easily, sorry, okay. So, so today when I told you what your job is, you see the mind's attempt, and then therefore it becomes a successful attempt, is that you do another job, which is to evaluate what it means when I say that. But did I say that?

Ananta

Absence of belief in the mind—and if that seems like too open and too vast, then remain in the presence of the Satguru within. You see the light of the 'I Am' presence within you. That's all. That's all that your job is.

Seeker

But when you say that, it would always hurt so easily. Sorry, okay.

Ananta

So today when I told you what your job is, you see the mind's attempt—and then therefore it becomes a successful attempt—is that you do another job, which is to evaluate what it means when I say that. But did I say that that is the job? It's as simple as that. Because everything else I hear, there is no energy in this universe which has any power over the Being which is within you. Everything is a child for that one. There is no nightmare which can scare your God presence. Only when you take a perspective of being something other than that, okay, then these things are meaningful. Otherwise, reporting about energies and nightmares is like talking about peanuts and popcorn. It doesn't really matter because you are the light of this universe itself. Only when you take yourself to be a tiny object can these things be something big and scary, things to worry about.

Ananta

What stops you from doing the job that I have given you? Some belief is still there, but that belief is completely in your control. Nothing can force belief within you. So spread it out for another fear as well, but don't value anything but the Self. Remain open and empty. And if that seems like too much, hang on to God's presence in your heart for dear life and don't hang on to anything else.

Seeker

But I am truly... see you again. I am holding on to your life. At the same time that this is happening, there's knocks on the door, the front door, because they want the rent money and I have no money. And yeah, I accept that matter, so it's fine.

Ananta

That's good. It's nice. So life looks a little real. Just God, nothing else. That's it. Everything can knock as much as they want. Inwardly only God. Inwardly only God. Outwardly, all up to God. It's okay.

Seeker

Why can't I leave the room? Why is it from fear even to go outside? And it makes no sense.

Ananta

It's your job to understand that surrender is a surrender of all your power, all your rationalizations and understanding why something is this way or isn't. And this is something for you just to contemplate: Is God in service for that other project which is of value to you? This is... and if God is in for that, then why are you placing that compulsion on yourself that this condition must be satisfied before I can fully follow? They don't know what to do. You know what it has told you a few times in this conversation itself. So that's why maybe the recording is good and the transcript is good, because the mind will keep saying, 'But, but I don't know what to do.' I have defined your job very clearly to you. If your mind is complaining, if your mind is confused, that means we are getting somewhere.

Seeker

I don't want to talk from there. I want to be able to just see it.

Ananta

And don't take any other project besides the job I've given you. Okay? Leave all other understanding aside. I've given you a very simple job, which in the world is the most difficult job, but in your heart is this interest. Just follow one instruction. That's all. You can leave all spiritual understanding aside. That which feels cornered and helpless has to be cornered and helpless, and more so, not less so. Good, good. What's happening? You don't have to understand anything. Okay? Where can you evaluate good and bad? That's where faith comes in.

Ananta

What if I came to the heart and I am fully deluded because the heart is deluding me? When I came to the heart, I became fully deluded. That is not my problem; that is God's problem. If I go to Him and He deludes me, that is His problem. That's not on me. But if I turn away from God, if I go to the mind and then I am deluded, then it's on me. Do we expect God out of my head? That is the biggest mistake that I can make and the only mistake that I can make. Do I know that to go in my heart is good? Do I know I won't become deluded? No, I don't know. There is no rational reason that these things should happen. I don't know rationally, and that is why it needs trust.

Ananta

So if I say to you, you have one job, which is to remain with the Self or with God's presence in your heart, if you're going to dance to the tunes of the mind saying, 'But what about this?' and 'How about that?' and 'For why is this?' and 'Why can't I stay?' and all of that, then are you doing the job? Because I'm asking you to do so. Face all the fears the mind is showing you unfazed. Let them come and let them go. God is with you. In this, you need the strength of a warrior. In this, you need the strength of the warrior. And in this, you cannot be weak. Turning towards God, you cannot be weak in your outer expression with the world. If meekness comes, then that is fine. But with the mind, you cannot be meek. In facing the mind, you have to be the lion, otherwise the snake will overpower you.

Seeker

I hear you. It wants to be central in even this conversation, which is heart to heart. It wants to say, 'Hello, hello, I'm here. I am saying this.'

Ananta

You see, don't value that. Don't value that. It is not in service to you. It is only to distract you. The mind will find a hundred reasons in every session to distract you. You'll see that. 'What about this? But what about that? With my father like this? But why this? Why does he do that? Why doesn't he do that?' Everything wants it my way. But you have to see it as a mind which is clambering for attention, clambering for focus, and therefore wants to be dominant in your life. And you have to be done with this. Dominance of the mind is what mental slavery looks like. So never get confused about what your job is in this. I've made it plain and clear and straightforward. Don't get confused. Don't get distracted by side projects, humble projects. 'So this will help me do that.' I have not said that. You can go direct to God in your heart, and I'm here to help you with the Satsang, helping you as well, all of us to this.

Seeker

Thank you. Aisha, would you still support... I don't know if they're present. Something... when she speaks, it's like she has an axe and it could just... it just chops. It was so beautiful. Thank you, Father. So love you. I've got your feet.

Ananta

Okay, thank you. Let's go to Clarissa. Yeah, thank you.

Seeker

Okay, hello. Thank you to another rose because I really tried to follow you and to follow the words, because everything she said, it was coming up in me also. And there was so much resistance to come to Satsang, and I know it's the only thing I really want to do.

Ananta

Very good. Very good that you can spot the resistance, you see? Because to say resistance means that it is no longer considered right, you see? Because if you believed it and did not come to Satsang, you would have said, 'Oh, that was good advice. That is guidance.' It is not resistance, you see? But to take it to be, to see it as resistance already is to spot this street. So very happy, yes, Clarissa.

Seeker

So extreme experiences in the mind and it's really this fear to lose, to let control fall, that this craziness is coming out.

Ananta

Craziness is coming up, yes. That's very good. Don't make sense for a week. Nothing will happen. Inwardly, don't make sense out of anything for a week. I'm talking about inwardly. And sometimes when I say stuff like this, we feel like we have to exhibit it outwardly. If that happens naturally, that's fine. But inwardly, don't try to define your state. Is it because it is that motion which will define you and then give you the ability to plug the future narrative into it? See, if you see, 'This is my condition right now,' only then can you say, 'Okay, then this happened.' You see? If right now it's all zero, zero, zero, okay, what can we see? What happened? You cannot add. You cannot add. So first the mind tricks you, saying, 'This is what is happening to you.' I promise you, it is nonsense. This happening and you—all of those proposals from the mind are nonsense. You can pick out any of them and evaluate them and you see notes. So it is just distraction tactics, which I'm so happy you're spotting so well.

Ananta

From the instruction which has been given to you to stay in your heart, to remain in the way of the heart, no rational person can do this. And what I mean by that is that if you are constricted by your rationality, you can never remain in a true meeting with God. It is beyond your mental capacity. It is beyond your body. It is beyond this universe. None of these containers are big enough for God. But because you are none of these things in reality, you can. Don't oppress yourself with an understanding about yourself. Just see God everywhere. I'm very, very happy today because my instruction is frustrating so many. Sounds like a strange thing to say. It's very important because it is exposing in your own light the inability of the mind to follow. And it is only frustrating because there is another element there which knows the truth of what I'm saying. If that element was not there, your heart element was not there, then it would not be frustrated. It would just sound like the ramblings of a mind plan. So when these two elements, the head element and the heart element, meet and you're still in the battle for choosing, then it can seem frustrating.

Seeker

I chose God. It seems that there is something where I hold on to and hold on to them, and I don't want to let go. And it's like this little finger.

Ananta

This is very good. Very good, Clarissa. So at least you're not in denial. At least you say, 'I choose God, but I'm a little attached to whatever that is.' The content of that is not important, but to shine it in your own light brings an integrity into your spirituality. Brings an integrity into your spirituality rather than our conceptual spirituality which is like, 'Oh, it's all fine, everything is taken care of,' which is all true. I'm not saying it's not true. But when it becomes conceptual, then it's all untrue.

Seeker

I'm very thankful that I can come and I'm very thankful for this moment. Thank you.

Ananta

Very good. Thank you. Let's go to Edgar.

Seeker

Hello, good morning, good evening. Yes, it's been a while since I haven't come to Satsang. And listening to your words, I can see that it was out of resistance and not out of a correct decision, because I started thinking in my mind that I didn't need it anymore, or maybe that I was too busy. But it was just an excuse, of course. And now I'm here. Now I don't want to fall into the trap of looking for some peace and then stop coming to Satsang again. So I am just committed to keep attending to this. Hopefully... I just remember when you used to do the Satsang twice a week, but now it's just once. Yeah. So what's happening with me is I start creating a lot of resistance inside of me because whenever I start trying to make sense of some spiritual concept and trying to understand in my mind... like you say, it is not possible to make sense of these words in their essence. And that's what I try a lot, failing in the process, and that creates a lot of resistance, like a frustration. 'Why can't I understand this?' or 'Why am I still feeling this feeling, frustration, feeling desire, feeling all kinds of mind stuff?' I guess I will just listen to your words more. I mean, just listen to them. It has an effect. And I don't know... I don't want to ask you what should I do, because the doing is just like more conceptual stuff that I just try to get, but that's not the way, of course. So thank you for everything, and I will just listen to whatever you have to say.

Ananta

Very good, very good. I'm very happy to see you. It's been a bit of a break. But I see that this period away, and now hearing this, I can see that it's helped. It's helped. So it's good because, like I was saying earlier, when you were following the resistance, you were not calling it resistance, because nobody spots it as resistance and follows. When we follow the resistance, we take it to be righteousness, you see? 'I'm done with him.'

Ananta

Very good, very good. I'm very happy to see you. It's been a bit of a break, but I see that this period away has helped. Now hearing this, I can see that it's helped. So it's good because, like I was saying earlier, when you were following the resistance, you were not calling it resistance because nobody spots it as resistance and follows it. When we follow the resistance, we take it to be righteousness, you see? 'I'm done with him, I can do it on my own now,' or 'I found something which is better,' or whatever it may be. At that moment, we don't see it as this, because the minute we can see that this is resistance, then we've already put it in the box of not having to follow. Yeah? So when we follow our resistances, we consider ourselves to be right. And this is great maturity to be able to come back and say, 'I noticed that I thought I was right, but really it was my mind's play. It was arrogance. It was trying to create.' So this is really good. I'm very happy and I bless you with all my heart.

Seeker

Thank you. Can I say something more? Just so, maybe not what... follow your heart. No, like, I just wanted to make sure that I didn't waste this opportunity to speak to you. And like, I'm very sure at this exact precise moment I'm okay. What I'm not so sure is what will be of me later on this morning, like over here this morning, or this day, this week. I guess I wanted some kind of assurance that it's going to be fine.

Ananta

Well, for me, I'm going to be honest with you: even I don't know. Even I don't think what's going to happen here. Not for you, but here also. If I don't go into my house now and get fully identified and take myself to be a body, I don't know. There's no guarantee. There's no guarantee, there's no reassurance. But in this moment, I trust God's presence to take me through all of that, whatever needs to be taken through. And this reassurance of the present experience of God's life is enough for me. I just need to have faith for a moment. If God gives me a permanent guarantee, then what kind of surrender or devotion would that be? Okay, I understand where the question is coming from. Dive into this unknown. This is the beauty of this. Thank you, thank you. Very good.

Seeker

Okay, let's go to... I actually have almost called it up a couple of times. I don't know why it didn't happen, but I'm so happy today. Thank you, thank you. I want to come up with the same report like Clarissa. Like, news. Because the last audience in Satsang left me with that strong urge to say yes. I don't know to what—to that jump, of course. That frustration also came because I didn't know how to do, what to do. But I really want to be done with what you call armchair spirituality. Yes. And I really... you told one story of two sons, one said yes, one said no. And I don't want to be like that son who said yes but didn't do this. Because I really have a lot of avoidance in me somehow. Many things. Like, I know in my head that every word you speak is true. I know that meeting with you is like the center of my life. But somehow, many times, I just do not follow your guidance. So I guess I just wanted to leave it at your feet.

Ananta

This is beautiful. This is beautiful because this is integrity. This is integrity. It is not making excuses, because I can tell from the fragrance of your words that it is not an avoidance or a built-up acting. This is a true confession where you say that you can smell the truth of where these words are wanting you, but sometimes you identify with the mind. This is to make this entity and work with you together, and we have spotted it. And therefore, your fire, longing to be in your physical presence, to be in the Satsang, will only get amplified as a result. I'm completely with you in this. I appreciate the honesty in your words and thank you. I'm so happy hearing all of your reports today because really I was wondering, okay, because I didn't get some frustrated reports. You know, working with a lot of functions, and I was wondering if anyone heard what I was saying. So we did. Thank you.

Seeker

Father, the fire is really burning here. I don't have good words too. This head has a lot of resistance, not even to your words I would say, but my heart knows what I really am is what you are. Yes, I know that body sitting on the other side, it's not a body, but it's everything. But I feel it in my heart. I'm just using these words, but it's not just the emotional, but this fire burning. And there are those words coming that you really have to make me one with you now. Yes, yes, yes, please. I'm not going back from here. Very good. If this body dies now, it's fine for whatever reason, but absolute wish... but this is what I'm wishing now.

Ananta

Okay, I promise you that the presence that uses this body to speak can never turn away from you. That it is the same presence in your heart and it is not ever going to turn away from you. All you have to do is to turn away from the voice of selfishness. That's all. So it has tried to distract you even after being in Satsang. It has tried all the possible tricks to say, 'A little bit like that, a little bit like this. Let me dance. How can I make the best Satsang for my life?' You know, it just tried to micromanage all of this. Now I'm looking in your words that all of that is being thrown away. All of that has been thrown away. And you know fully, fully, having not turned my back on you. Obviously, I remember I came to Mooji Baba in 2015. I didn't come for freedom or anything like that. I just couldn't live with the person anymore. Yes. And then the jumping, what he says, 'the cow jumps over the moon.' That was the grace. You have the same grace. So I'm the same. So this is a... I don't know what to call it. It's one video. Yes, yes, it is. Tasting the honey is for a long time not being with you. So now as you turn away from your mind, you don't know all evaluated tendencies or judgments about yourselves for the materials. Empty all of this. Thank you is not enough, but thank you because this is never going to end. My blessings. Let's go to Aniko.

Seeker

Hi, thank you. And I just... almost the same reports you got today from everybody. I feel I don't regain the script today. You start laughing in the beginning and then we don't change, we don't make it the opposite. So I don't want you to be upset at the end. Okay. In some way, my view of you is a bit changed by these two Satsangs. It is... I don't know how to tell you this with very much respect in my heart. It is obviously coming from the ego, then you really want too much. You really want everything and take away everything from me because I have a lot of kind of masks of my personality. And how can I tell you? In some ways, something I really like a little bit, or kind of specialness is here. You know, the spiritual specialness. Like, 'I go through so many beautiful things and I like to be identified with the one who met Guruji and you and went there and had the experience.' And this kind of ego is created very much, and I really identified with this one. But I can see very clearly, and also I can see it's not so easy to let... I mean, it's so nice a feeling to hold it. But at the same time, I know this is the only day. There is no other way but take everything, because otherwise I will never... yeah.

Ananta

It's good, right? Palpable for you now. And not to laugh. It tastes like that. So seriously, so seriously. Where this is happening, that is happening. One second of God. Thank you. Okay, let's go to Samia.

Seeker

Hi Father. I came back to Turkey a few days ago. Yeah, yeah. Thanks to you. I believed like when I turned back, like the old habits, mind habits were there, and that's why I put my hand. But I'm so happy that in your presence they have no importance, and so thankful to make me see this. Grace just guides each and every step of mine every moment. And yeah, I completely live this life in your hands and don't worry about it at all anymore. Thank you for everything. Thank you. Very good. And I just want to share that Guruji just told me that he's just so happy and pleased to see me very mature and very open to his teaching. Very happy to see the depth in me. And I know that it's his grace and it's you. So I just want to thank you and his words, I bring them to you. So thank you. So beautiful. Thank you. You make me like this, so thank you so much. But then I wanted to come up.

Ananta

Whatever life throws at you, you keep your eyes in the divine presence in your heart. That's all you have to do. And through every fear it will say, 'Who lives in poverty? You never fulfill your responsibilities.' Don't worry about any of them. God's will takes care of all of these things. If it is God's will, it happens. If it's not God's will, then it's not going to happen anyway. The notion of individual doership is completely fraudulent. I'm not giving any external advice. In whatever way the body has to move, that is completely fine. Inwardly keep your sight, which is beyond the sensory sight. Keep that. Keep your presence with the presence. That is also presence. The absence of belief in your mind is enough. Then you'll find the... although it is always fully available in this play of the human condition, as we let go of the mind, then we notice a deepening and a flowering of our heart. There's nothing you can do to make it go away or to make it happen. Anything is to turn away from the voice of limitation, the voice of selfishness, which is in your head. Okay? And to turn away also does not imply that you have to fight with your attention. Just don't bind to the narratives.

Seeker

But yeah, I will give you the report on this. Okay, let's go to... Namaste, Namaste. So much. Very good. This is perfect. That's a good product. Yes. All right. Automatically, automatically. I mean... was so like every everything that everyone said was someone... what I would want to say also. I don't know what to say now. Okay, take your time. Some falseness in me, you know, that is creating a separation. And but there's also confusion because, for example, when you said you need to give something up, you need to burn something, what I saw is actually I need to let go of a doubt. Yes. Not necessarily something which I think I hold on to. It's like the opposite. I don't know how to explain.

Ananta

I just feel like whichever way the mental position may be pointing, you see, both of them have to be thrown into the fire. Whether it is a clinging or it is a doubting, both have to be thrown.

Seeker

Yeah, I feel on top is a doubt and under it is the clinging. So yes, they're both there. But yeah, I just feel like it's much better. Like, I can see it more clearly and I feel it's burning. And as you said, like this frustration sometimes it's a bit like feels like an obstacle, you know? It feels always so difficult. But actually I feel there's something burning in this listening and I can feel there's still like a fight because this falseness is a bit in the way of following you. But there is like a... you know, I need to put some effort, but I feel it, something strength is growing slowly. Yes. Yeah, I just want to ask your blessing. I'm also now visiting my mom for a while and she's also not so well. So just if we could both have your blessing. And yeah, thank you for your presence and for everyone's questions. Thank you.

Ananta

I have to say that if you all keep maturing like this, you will make it very difficult for me. How will I make you uncomfortable and frustrated if you keep accepting these giant leaps? Very happy. Let's go to Matthew. Hello, my love. Just be.

Seeker

Growing slowly, yes. Yeah, I just want to ask your blessing. I'm also now visiting my mom for a while and she's also not so well, so just if we could both have your blessing. And yeah, thank you for your presence and for everyone's questions. Thank you.

Ananta

I have to say that if you all keep maturing like this, you will make it very difficult for me. How will I make you comfortable and frustrated if you keep accepting these giant leaps? Very happy. Let's go to Matthew.

Seeker

Hello, my love. It's just been a while since we spoke and, um, so I feel like often I guess there's some resistance to come up. And also today, no, because this is a really strong satsang bringing things up and there is resistance. And I somehow felt it's good to come forward and speak to you.

Ananta

Yes, it's very good because, like everything, if you spot it and your label for it is resistance, then ninety percent of the battle is done, you see? Where resistance becomes problematic is if the messages come in the mind and we say, 'Yes, this is true. I'm tired of listening to his nonsense. I'm gonna go.' That is righteousness. It is the same nonsense, but when we take it to be righteousness, then we are stuck in it. The minute you spot it as resistance, it's fine and it loses its power. Then it's good.

Seeker

May I ask a bit? Because you speak of how we, as this Consciousness, have the choice to not identify. Of course, yes. And sometimes I guess the shape of the person comes in. These shapes become appealing or, on the other hand, resisting. And somehow something feels caught up in that play. And I guess it's true, then the moment comes when if I sit with this, I can see, you know, like this distance can come. But I guess there's also sometimes I do feel like I still get caught up in this play of wants and resistances, in contrary of wants and unwants.

Ananta

Yes, so two aspects to this question. One is that if it is coming as pure perception, then it cannot trouble you in reality, you see? Then motionless perceptions can never bother you. Like pure perception, even if something is experienced in some way like that, it's fine. But by shapes, if you mean that there are some notions which come, some ideas which are still attractive, you see, then these are the very ideas you have to throw into the fire. I mean, what if something grabs you? Like it's something about relationship or security or even freedom, you see? Then it tries to make an individual entity out of you by getting the belief of Consciousness. Then Consciousness itself flips the game; then it trusts the heart. And the flipping of the game is to see these notions and say, 'Oh, this is what gets me. Okay, let me surrender this at my Master's feet. Let me surrender this at the feet of the Divinity in my heart.' So then the game gets flipped around and this gives you the fuel for your surrender rather than the fuel for your identification. Then it has not achieved its objectives by doing that and will stop feeding you all this. All this will reduce. It will become more like it will spot an opportunity, something's happening in the world or something, and there it will try to grab you. But even then, if you get grabbed, then it's fine, you've got grabbed. But the instant you notice—and you are now mature enough that you will notice—the instant you notice, return to the refuge of your heart.

Seeker

Yeah, I see how this happens. Also, like I was just on a walk on the path close to my house and there was this engagement, but the moment there's the realization that I can drop this right now, you know? And then suddenly I was not in those worries again. I was just so...

Ananta

So the idea of guilt is that the time spent in identification meant something, okay? That is the notion of guilt. But I am telling you that that time did not mean anything. One moment of your return to God has cleaned everything up completely. That's your antidote to any guilt or regret, because that is not the way of the heart to reject that which is already gone in the past. The way of the heart is to recognize that in my gift to myself of the presence, all the past, whatever may have happened, is all gone. It's all finished. I have often used to say that this is the one-two punch of the mind. It's a combination. So it brought you with the one punch, but it really knocks you out with the guilt punch, the right punch. So the two-punch is always the more effective one for the mind. If you can, if you cannot fall for that which is that you notice, 'Ah, I was taking myself to be this,' finished. Now it is here. The jab, jab, jab, jab will not work without the knockout punch to get deeply identified. So I think... thank you.

Seeker

Thank you. Let's go to Maria. Hello. Thank you. Thank you very much. It's very good to see you well. I want to say you understand, hello, and to be in your darshan and to meet this very wonderful meeting because everyone may have a response to me and for all, no? So thank you, thank you very much. And I am very happy. And I have a question that when I sit in the temple of the heart, there in silence, yes, it's everything silence, it is the vastness. But who is speaking when now, now?

Ananta

So the idea that to speak I need to use the mind is a fallacy which is mind-created, okay? If that was the case, then the sharing of satsang would never be possible, okay? You come to meet, when you come to meet this form in satsang with Ananta, what you really wanted to meet is the potential for your own heart to speak in this way. Heart to mouth instead of heart to head to mouth, or just head to mouth, you see? So the mind creates this idea that for words to emerge from this body instrument, it needs to be filtered through the mind, but that is not true.

Seeker

Okay, thank you. Thank you. Everything is... something knows that everything is effortless and everything is this, is the Self, yes. Because there's no something, the Self, something not the Self. But in this trying to find the ego and the spiritual ego that is very... that hides in one part of the person, and maybe I feel tension, tension in me. So I think that that's not the way to find anything and to be. So thank you very much for your response. And now I feel more relaxed and that I don't have to be very sharp to find anything because everything is the Self. Thank you very much.

Ananta

Thank you, thank you. Thanks, thank you. Well, see you soon. I'm happy, I'm happy about this. Looking forward. Okay, so thank you, thank you. Yeah, um, can you hear me? Yes, yes. Okay, yeah. I just wanted to come up and, yeah, to sit in front of you and...

Seeker

I don't feel like I'm such a perfect guy as I used to think, yeah. And I really like this, this insight, this nastiness. I mean, not nastiness, this spiritual ego, you know? Like, I don't know how to... what to do. I don't know really what to do because even like sometimes this impulse comes from the heart to express my gratitude to you, yeah, for being with me along the way and helping me. I really, I'm thankful for this, but I have this mechanism that, 'Oh, you're too advanced, don't say it, be quiet, keep like...' yes.

Ananta

This is so stupid. It loses its venom once you spot it, and especially once you can expose it with so much integrity, it loses its venom over you. So the mind will have to find new tricks now. This is already very good.

Seeker

Yes, and yes, like this is like coming from time to time. Yes, like there is lots of... I can feel that you are helping me on the way. I can feel your presence at my work even sometimes. But I know, I hope it will be a short... not long, you know? And clearly, I don't know what else. And also maybe I want to expose something like about... I have sometimes addictions, like maybe not addiction-addiction, but from time to time, not so often, but I would watch some pornographic movies or something like that. And this is like very... and later when I would become weak enough to indulge in some activity or something, then later I would get attacked like, 'Oh, you failed,' and get this personal, 'You failed,' like you know, like this. So I would just ask for your blessings too.

Ananta

So yeah, what I said about the one-two punch, you were there when we were just talking about the one-two punch from the mind? You see, it creates the first punch and then it says, 'No, you should not have done that.' You see, it's a two-punch of guilt which is more inclusive, it is heavier. And like you said, actually you spoke about pride and guilt, so both is this two-punch. 'Oh, I'm so good, I can be empty all the time,' or something like that, 'I can be with God, I'm doing so well,' is the two-punch sometimes. And sometimes it is just like, 'You will never get anywhere. Look at you, you still have these bad habits. There's no chance, you're such a fake. So how can you be spiritual? How can you be this kind of thing?' So first, let's not buy into the second punch, the two-punch, which is about guilt and pride and arrogance, you see? Then Grace will take care of the first one in whichever way it wants to, in the most natural way. So yeah, that would be my advice and guidance at this point.

Seeker

Yes, and for the last time, I want to be simple. I don't want to be like... because the mind is taking me on the trips to say some spiritual words sometimes or be... why not be simple like this? Why not be nothing? Yes, remember. And it's like I get good pokes sometimes, like a helpful... so I'm very thankful. And I would like you to help me really to make it to the end. Because like someone will poke me and say, 'Oh, I saw you the other day,' I saw a friend and he said, 'Oh, I saw you were so inside thought, you were so much thinking.' And then later in my ego that has these conclusions, how far he's had gone in the progress and maybe some fixed, rigid... and I answered that, 'Oh, you should have seen somebody else, not me, because I'm so...' and did the defensiveness mechanism, defensiveness. So I really, I really hope that I believe that it will be soon over, like some time, I don't know, like this. And thank you for this satsang and all these helpful people here in the Sangha, which I sometimes don't even have the courage to appreciate because of my spiritual advanced ego. I thank you very much.

Ananta

Thank you. Thank you for the opportunity, thank you for the honesty. Very beautiful. That is my heart. I want to bless you that you may even have no need for any self-evaluation, and may the evaluations of others not bother you. And if they do bother you, may you become as light as a feather. All judgments, most troublesome of course are the judgments that you believe from your own head about yourselves; may they be all diminished. And if evaluations which poke self-image come from outside, may that also become nothing. And if at all something, then I'm super light. Thank you, thank you. I don't think I have much else to say. Just thank you, thank you, thank you. Let's go to Jyoti.

Seeker

Hello. Um, I really wanted to raise my hand but I don't have or don't want to say anything. Allow my heart to speak, whatever that means.

Ananta

Yes, that's the best. Are you living in God's light? Just broad, and for it to be a reminder for this very moment. Is God's light here or is it hiding? It's not hiding. It's not hiding. The silent call of the heart is infinitely more trustable than the most glorious notions of the head. I'm saying that you are starting to trust this silent call and rely on it for everything. Because then the mind's branch is not getting replaced by another branch which the mind can inhabit. What is being communicated to you in the silence of the heart is the highest communion. Is there a message? Let's do an experiment. Just start moving on without knowing what you're going to say. Let's see what happens. Another one of those jumps. Okay, one, two, three, start. You're gonna smile your way out of this one. Go for it. I'm with you. You speak my words, I give the...

Ananta

What is being communicated to you in the silence of the heart is the highest communion. Is there a message? Let's do an experiment. Just start moving on without knowing what you're going to say. Let's see what happens. Another one of those jumps, okay? One, two, three, start. You're going to smile your way out of this one. Go for it. I'm with you. You speak my words; I give them to you in your heart.

Seeker

Sorry, it is nothing. Don't do it. I can't speak. I don't have anything. Oh, I don't have anything to say. Is it bad? I can't speak, no. Can I say something? Yeah, elephant. And apparently, I know how to deal with it. It's good to spot that maybe in this moment, I just don't want to touch anything. Even if touching something doesn't mean that it means something, but just I don't want to touch anything. It's not an active aversion; you just don't know.

Ananta

Natural absence of clinginess. This natural absence of grasping focused. Is it like that?

Seeker

Yes, yes. Remember, my face looks very sad, but internal handbook, right? Yes. But thank you, thank you for clarifying that.

Ananta

Yes. Let's go to Jen. Hello.

Seeker

Hello. About two days ago, I let my mind convince me that I'm in hell because a bunch of bad things were happening. Not sure how to get back.

Ananta

Call within your heart. It's okay, take your time. I'm working. God's presence is within you. And although the mind may seem loud, the world may seem crazy, just see if you can find the nearest hint of that presence. Allow yourself to fall into this. If the mind says, 'No, it's not possible, nothing is happening,' the doubting mind will always come in this way. But God's presence is always within me. And safely surrender everything, past, present, and future, to your being, to your presence, and feel your lifting me. See again.

Seeker

I feel you lifting me up. I feel like a lead balloon still.

Ananta

I feel... enjoy the balloonness of it and don't worry about the leadness. There is no balloon too heavy. All you have to do is allow it. No effort is needed in front of the presence of your heart. That's why the mind has to work so hard to present narratives in the past. No matter what the content of the experience or the narrative is, God is here in your heart. There's nothing more powerful than this in the universe. So don't go, don't hold on to anything at all. Just let go. Fall here in your heart. You are taken care of, and that taking care of is dependent only on your remaining unidentified with the stories of the mind. That is the only part in spree. And never let the mind convince you that you don't have this power. Give up my entire body. The outer expression of the body can be whatever. Something they released. All of that is an organic action, organic movement which Grace takes care of. Your job is to stay with presence.

Seeker

I want to get you up.

Ananta

Don't split yourself up into two different projects. You don't have to evaluate or keep track of what's happening to the body. All you have to do is not buy into the thought. Stay in your heart. Whether it is working or you're making progress is not your business. Your business is to follow moment to moment what your heart is guiding you to do.

Seeker

Thank you. Thank you so much.

Ananta

Let's do that again. I got only half of that expression. I was doing this. Yes. I don't know, just that body, let that release whatever happened inwardly. You keep your eyes on God, and it's a workout. Thank you so much. Go back into any evaluative mode. Stay as if this conversation is happening.

Seeker

It's true that just one moment of presence just dispels everything. And yeah, I just wanted to come because it's been a while. And my Krishna asked me for a glass of water and I just went right at it and had about 27 lifetimes, I feel like. So it's the last time. How long has it been since we met? It's felt like a couple of months and it really did feel like that, you know, that Narada story of 'just get me some water, I'll be right back.' Um, yeah. And then here I am. And we're going to happen something that's coming forward because it does want some sort of like just absolution and return. And it's okay.

Ananta

Forget about it. Of course, it's over and it's just... yes, it's all gone. I can't even experience it unless something is reaching back for it anyway. You know, it's too much effort. Why keep track of time anyway? For me, it just feels like yesterday we were talking and now today we are talking. So let it be like a dream that happened. It's all fine, doesn't it?

Seeker

Thank you. Yeah, very good. And I appreciate the labeling it as resistance rather than... because it's been a busy, you know, it was a ride. And I remember once saying to Guruji, 'Close my account.' Yes, close my account. And then something over the last month is like, 'Let's just open 20 credit cards.' You know, it's like the equivalent of that was just completely forgotten and distraction. And then just in your presence and in the presence of the Sangha and in my own presence, this is what's been being avoided or run from for months now, you know. The good two months.

Ananta

Two months is all right. So blessings, prayers, everything is that may this two-month adventure now just anchor you in your heart so deeply. May it all, as is the way of Grace, may it all turn out to be so graceful even this week. Thank you.

Seeker

Okay, let's go to Sethi. Hello, Father. How are you again? What's happening? Good, good. So I just wanted to thank you. Your presence, I don't know, it... mind had almost convinced me that the external situation is important for the internal environment. And then it just your presence somehow led me to realize the foolishness that external situation, it's nothing for the internal one.

Ananta

Yes, very good. Very good. That's how beautiful.

Seeker

So the person me wanted to plan and do things in a certain way and say, 'Okay, if this happens, then only this will happen in the internal environment.' But it is not so.

Ananta

It's not so. Very good. Thank you. So welcome, so welcome. So strongly in my heart right now. I'm so happy. I'm so happy today. And this is a good lesson for all of us. God is not an inch away from us. Nothing needs to change in the world. Nothing needs to happen. No, the mind is postponing tactics of us that when this, then they'll come to God's presence. All of that you have seen through. So thank you so much. Thank you so much. Okay, last one for today. Let's go to BP. Please run away. Yeah, the camera to you is very different from where you're watching. Something you're watching on a bigger screen or something. I see that I'm not. The mind speaks in first person that I know there is not any shape. Yeah, there is no expressions of like a five-year-old child. It's very sweet. So you can remain in that emotions without any evaluation or judgment or relax. It's all good. Thank you.

Seeker

Father, I'm not really anything, you know. Oh, that I mean nothing, nothing.

Ananta

Okay, can you notice? So what happens is that as you're at rest in your heart, then you're just like happy and smiling. And then there's an invitation from the head which wants you to make a conclusion or evaluation and then say something like that. And then mostly you're able to just let that go, but sometimes it will come down so that's not me. Or sorry, even if it feels like I'm engaging with 'am I,' this 'I' is not what I am. Yeah, but forget all that, okay? You know, without that than with that. Let's forget all that. Whatever it is, it sounds like nice and fancy, you know, but you don't need it. Yeah, you're better off without. You don't have to have any scriptural words. Just the shining eyes that I see are more than enough. Because sometimes it is the web of even spiritual-sounding words which attracts us and makes us back to the sort of spiritual ideas and things. Leave it. If you're doing well, you don't have to trust yourself. It's good. Thank you. Your mind will complain and say, 'But, but what?' So then what? Nothing. Nothing. What does it mean? Okay, nothing. Am I free? Neither. No. Am I not getting it? No questions. It was a request. I just find you there you are. Okay, thank you, Father. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for you, for everyone.