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Qualitative Difference Only, Between Consciousness and Awareness - 19th August 2016

August 19, 20168:57130 views

Saar (Essence)

Ananta explains that while awareness is the unchanging witness, consciousness is the dynamic aspect that acts as both doer and experiencer. He clarifies that the ego is merely a non-existent belief, incapable of experiencing anything.

The ego is just a belief; a belief has no existence in this realm of appearances.
Consciousness is the light in which all play happens; it is both the projector and the screen.
Awareness is the unmoving witness, untouched by the waking, dream, or sleep states.

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consciousnessawarenessegosleep statei amwitnessingadvaita vedanta

Transcript

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Seeker

If we enjoy something like food or a treat, who enjoys it? Is it the consciousness, ego, or do I do? Or are the highest?

Ananta

This is good. At least you made it a multiple-choice question, because usually what I say—maybe she heard this—is when a question like that comes, I say, "So what are the options?" So what are the options? Consciousness, ego, okay, Absolute, the awareness of the Self. Okay.

Ananta

So the ego is what? Let's go step by step. It's okay. The separate self—does it really exist or just a belief? So it's a belief. So if I had a belief that I'm from Mars, can I taste something? That one that came from Mars, can it taste something? It's just a belief, you see. So belief has no existence in this realm of appearances, in this realm of atoms and molecules. Seemingly, it has no existence even here. It is not even a clear imagination. So obviously, it cannot be the separate idea that we have about ourselves—that the separation happened and I exist separately. Just an idea. So you've seen that. So it cannot be that.

Ananta

So then the next was consciousness. What is that? So if consciousness is awareness, then why do we have one more word called consciousness? It is true what you say, and yet we use the term consciousness, isn't it? What does it imply? It implies simply that there is an apparent difference between the sleep state and the waking state. You see, there is an apparent difference between the sleep state and the waking state. There is awareness of sleep, you see, and yet the waking state seems to be different, is experienced differently. Because out of this hand comes the appearance of this finger. It's still the hand, it's still awareness, but the dynamic aspect arises as if it is this consciousness that I am. The sense that "I am" appears. And is there any experience that you have had without you first experiencing that you are in this way? Is there any experience which is experienced without this, outside of this sense of presence?

Ananta

And that is why I decide that the prayer of surrender is the prayer which has to say, "Tum Karta, Tum Bhokta." Is it? You are the doer and you are the experiencer. But what is the "Tum"—the "you"—in this case? It is the same consciousness, the "I am." So this consciousness, which is not separate from awareness and yet is experienced differently, there is a seeming qualitative difference. Is it just like the difference between this fist and this finger out there, although still the same hand, you see? So although it is made up of awareness, it is playing dynamically as if it is consciousness.

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Ananta

Now, everything you say yourself is a function of this light of consciousness. Therefore, the experiencer and the doer, the projector and the screen, are the same, which is this consciousness, see? So who enjoys must be this, isn't it? Which is ultimately consciousness. And yet we are not to be very quick to come to the denial of consciousness because it is our experience that the waking state arises. I seem to participate in this waking state. Awareness is the unmoving, unchanging witness which is aware of this phenomenal tasting, phenomenal perceiving, phenomenal witnessing. You can call it awareness; it remains untouched. Therefore, whether it is waking state, dream state, sleep state, or any meditative states, it is not in any way affecting the Self, the Absolute, you see.

Ananta

And yet there is the birth of this, there is the appearance of this dynamic aspect called consciousness. And all of this play, including the play of delirium and freedom, happens only in the light of this consciousness. In sleep state, does somebody want freedom? In your sleep, can you have—can you have a taste of something? Can you have an experience of phenomena? And yet there is this ability to say that there is something called sleep state. Where does that come from? Who knows that there is something called sleep? Why isn't it that we say that "I'm going to dream, goodnight," you see? If the only experience was that of the dream state, then we would say, "I'm going to dream," and you would say that "I had a dream and then I'm back here now." You would not say, "I went to sleep and then I had a dream, then I went to sleep again, and then I woke up."

Ananta

If there was no awareness of something called sleep, we would not be able to report on the existence of something called sleep. So that is the unchanging one. This is impossible for the mind to fathom because the mind will be resisting even now, saying, "But, but, but there is nothing in sleep. I have not experienced sleep. I have never experienced sleep. I just have a time lapse." It is not true, you see. You don't suddenly say, "Oh, it was dark and suddenly it's like..." If you didn't know that there is something called sleep, it would just appear as if there was a time lapse. From dark it went to light. It's a strange aspect of this realm. You would not say, "I went to sleep." What would be even stranger is to say, "Suddenly I'm here and suddenly I'm in some other realm and there are other people." You need not say it's a dream. You need that transition to sleep to be able to confirm that something is a dream, you see.

Ananta

This is it. Suddenly I'm sitting here, you see, and there was some tiredness in the body and suddenly there were other beings, other machines, absolutely that dissolve and this was here again. That is not our experience anyway. Why are we talking about sleep? To clarify that although consciousness and awareness are one, yet qualitatively they play differently. Just like the finger seems qualitatively different from the arm there, the hand—ultimately it is one.

The Thread Continues

These satsangs touch the same silence.