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Does Awareness Carry a Label Called 'Clare'? -13 May 2015

May 13, 20159:5873 views

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Ananta guides the seeker to investigate the existence of a separate person, revealing that while beingness and awareness are present, the individual 'me' is merely a presumed label with no actual existence.

The sense of a separate person has never existed; it is just a name and a presumption.
Awareness remains untouched through the coming and going of the waking, dream, and sleep states.
Find the one who claims to own this body and is seeking freedom; you will see it doesn't exist.

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Ananta

Now, like I said, in this physical phenomenal universe, can we find the 'I'? Can we find a 'me'?

Seeker

It's possible to find an 'I' and a 'me' in the physical world, but it's not real.

Ananta

Which is it? What would you say is the 'I'?

Seeker

The real 'I' is the awareness, and the unreal 'I' is the idea.

Ananta

Is the awareness in the phenomenal world?

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Seeker

Yeah.

Ananta

When you ask 'Am I aware now?', is it something phenomenal that you see to confirm this?

Seeker

No, it's not in the phenomenal world.

Ananta

So awareness is not. So this 'I' which is in the phenomenal world is which one?

Seeker

This 'I' that is in the phenomenal world is the Being. And it can be any being plus a million other things if it wants to, but it's very suffering that way.

Ananta

What do you mean by Being?

Seeker

Being is the softest, most natural, without any attachments, existence. Just this sense of presence of me, isn't it? That I exist, I am.

Ananta

Is there ever a time where you experienced that this 'I am' is not there?

Seeker

Um, the sense is there... only in the sleep state you cannot... you know that even the sense that I exist was not there, right?

Ananta

But in the waking or any other dream state, this sense of presence of me is always there?

Seeker

Yeah.

Ananta

Now, in the presence of this Being or Consciousness, there is a world. Is there ever a world without this, in your experience?

Seeker

Um, can you say that again? Sorry.

Ananta

Yes, yes. In your experience—not speaking from any presumed knowledge, but in your experience—is there ever a world without there being this sense of 'I am'? Is there ever a world without the sense of this 'I am'?

Seeker

No, no, there's not.

Ananta

So 'I am' is there and the world is there. 'I am' is not, this world is not there. This is your experience, isn't it?

Seeker

Mhm.

Ananta

Yet you are aware that 'I had this waking state, I had the sleep state, I had the dream state.' So this awareness remained untouched through all of this coming and going. Now, in any of this, you cannot show me the individual 'I', the individual 'me'. Who is the one that is called Clare? Awareness is awareness; does it carry a label 'Clare'? Is it even for Beingness? Being is here; is this Being called Clare? Where can I find this Clare? I'm looking for Clare. Can you help me find her?

Seeker

It's just a name.

Ananta

Just a name. And that is why we see that this person does not exist, or is just imagined, or just presumed. That's why we use all these labels for that which is just the ego, or the sense of a separate Clare. A separate person has never existed. You stay in this contemplation and you see that this one, this sense of separate personhood, is just not here. Being is here. The witnessing of even this Being is here. And it seems like that is what I am. And when you see from that perspective, you will see that there are times where Being is present, there are times where Being is not. The time that Being is present inside the appearance, it is called waking state or dream state or whatever. But for me as awareness, it does not matter. It's just the sense of 'I am' is there, or it is not. So as awareness, I see no difference between the content of this waking state and the content of the dream state. And yet the mind, which is there in each of those states, says 'This is real' because this is the continuing story. You see, even in the dream, it does not say 'That is some new, fresh...'. Only after waking up you seem like, 'Oh, this was a strange place.' Inside the dream, there is a continuing story, there are familiar characters, everything seems just the same, although the events, the appearances might seem different. But it's okay, you don't worry about all of this right now. Just contemplate the existence of this Clare. Just contemplate the existence of this Clare, and then all this will become very clear, right? Okay? This is the most important. That's why I say that just find whether there's a person that exists here. This is what I mean. Where is the one that you label with your name? Where is that one which seems to own this body, it seems to own your money, seems to own your relationships, and is trying to find freedom? This one, you see, does not exist. Then it is done. Then all the insights—whether this world is real, phenomenal—doesn't matter. It's okay. Okay? All of you are completely open to come and question like this. I don't understand when you say 'like this', that's when we can really be open and have a conversation.

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