All Distinction Then Dissolves - 2nd April 2021
Saar (Essence)
Ananta explains that both the path of negation (neti-neti) and the path of total inclusion lead to the same realization of non-duality, where all distinctions between the witness and the manifest dissolve.
Whether you negate everything or include everything, you arrive at the same discovery of no distinction.
The trouble is we leave it halfway; you must take a path and work on it fully.
Include every manifest possibility as well as that which witnesses it, and you come to the same space.
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Transcript
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Now, I raised my hand when we were doing the body contemplation. That seemed like centuries ago, yeah. So you put your hand like this, or I think you put two hands like this, and then you asked—I can't remember exactly—but it was like, 'How can I actually say that this is more me than the space between the two hands?' I think. And then you said, 'No, I can't say that.' And that created a little confusion here because the contemplation itself, it sort of mixes the world of my perception with who I am. And when it comes to myself, I can't say that it has anything to do with the world of perception. So how can I do this contemplation?
Yes, yes. Okay, so let me clarify a bit. So what I'm saying is that in this world, if I had to call anything myself, then what would make me call myself more in these hands than in the space between them? There's nothing like that.
No, no. But I would say that if I have to be honest, I would say that that's because you taught me to not find myself in what I perceive.
Yes, yeah. Okay, so now go to that place where you don't find yourself in what you perceive. Go to now. Is there anything left which is inside or outside, or manifest or unmanifest? Is there something like perceived and unperceived?
No, I don't even understand that anymore. Like, no.
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Is there something which you can say you are and you are not?
No, that would be like too much of a question. Like, I don't even know how to answer that.
Yes, so all distinctions then dissolve. So, okay, what I can tell you is that if you go this way, right, and include everything—manifestation—within you, because Consciousness has the ability to do that and say, 'This is me, but this is also me, and this is also me, and the space is also me, and all of time is also me.' Consciousness has the ability to do that. And you will see that all the boundary is just where Consciousness wants to set it. If it says that this notion is my boundary, so this universe is my boundary, it can set it there conceptually. And if it says nothing...
I think I lost you in the last part.
Yes. So if you say, for example, that the universe, which is one linear moment of time and space, that is my boundary, then Consciousness has the prerogative to do that. But if it says all possibilities that have ever happened in time and space is where my boundaries lie, it can also do that. Okay? So what happens is that we can be fully, fully, fully inclusive. And then, when you become fully inclusive, then don't forget to include that which witnesses all of this as well, and say, 'I am also that.' So now we have included everything in the manifest, every manifest possibility, as well as that which witnesses every manifest and the manifest possibility into ourselves. And we come to the same point that we come to if you were to negate everything that is manifest and to leave that aside, you see?
And this we have in a highlight somewhere. In the two parts of spirituality, one being fully inclusive—inclusion—because most people don't like to do Neti Neti. Most people don't like to negate and say, 'Not this, not this, not this.' They would rather say, 'Also this, also this, and also this, also this, also these.' Include everything, everything, everything, everything. Include every manifest possibility as well as that which witnesses every manifest possibility, which is beyond the manifest, and you come to the same space in your heart where you would come to if you were to say, 'I'm not this, I'm not this, I'm not this, I'm not this.'
But then can I say something? Then I would like—again, to be honest, I would have to say that in order to include everything as myself, I would have to resort either to trust in your words or a sort of memory, which I don't trust, of having seen that. But I don't really trust that. But I know that I've seen that. But like right now, I can't say that I am anything that I can perceive.
So I want to say one thing to you: that you don't have to do both. In the sense that for some, including seems more natural; for some, Neti Neti is more natural. Whatever feels more natural, you stay with that, okay? Because it is bringing you to the same point. So my main message is that do one of these two fully. And it seems like we are doing the Neti Neti. We don't now need to become all-inclusive and things like that. You stay with that. You're coming to the same discovery of no distinction, you see? Nothing to include, exclude, no manifest, no unmanifest, no nothing about nothing, no nothing also. Which is the same point you would come to if you were to fully include. So it's not that you have to do both. Based on our temperament and our conditions, we are naturally attracted to one of the two. But the trouble is we leave it halfway. And you're not leaving it halfway, which is good. So fully, fully in the negation—letting go of all perception, all concepts—then you're coming to the same discovery as if you were to include everything within yourself. Okay? Yes. All I'm saying is that they seem to be two apparent paths which we can work on, but they both meet the same end point, you see? But we must take a path and work on it fully. Beautiful, perfect, perfect.
Thank you, Father. Thank you for helping me clarify this because there could be some confusion like this for others as well. So yeah, yes. And I heard Rupert talk about this before, the path of inclusion and exclusion, and it actually was a little confusing when I heard him talk about this and now you've... you don't have a good answer in your intellect, which is a beautiful open speech. It's true. Thank you, Father. Thank you so much. Thank you. I love you. Thank you. Good.