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We Must Return to This Beginner’s Way - 26th May 2023

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Ananta emphasizes that suffering arises from the egoic habit of constant self-monitoring and mental checking. He guides seekers to actively let go of thoughts one by one to remain in the effortless light of God's presence.

This life is not worth it unless it is lived in God’s light moment to moment.
It takes effort to suffer; to be in God’s light is actually effortless.
The mind cannot tell the truth; only the heart can guide you to reality.

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Transcript

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Seeker

Yeah, what I wanted to bring forward is some—there was a strong mental health component to getting COVID, likely a vaccine a couple of years ago. Um, we suspect it was some sort of neuroinflammation and um, created what's called panic disorder. So, very strong panic for no reason. I didn't have a history of it. I won't get into all of the details of that, but I started medication and it's been a couple years now. So, we're assuming that the brain is calmed down and I can start to titrate off of it. Um, what I'm noticing that's created a lot of pain is that because of that journey and that um, misreading of reality through my nervous system—like it wasn't like misperceiving, not really being able to trust it—um, there's a lot of dependence that's happened about looking to my mental state for how I am. And for a while that was important and getting treatment was important, you know, that needed to be prioritized. But um, the space from which it was seen at first before I got treatment was really important because it was my only way out. And indeed, like the professionals I worked with said I've, you know, they'd never seen anybody be able to just stop a panic attack, you know. And I was like, 'Welcome to satsang.' It lasted about three minutes or three seconds. But um, but there is now a um, a sense of 'I'm okay if everything is stabilized mentally and emotionally.' Does that make sense? That there's just been um, there was a time when it was very, very important to prioritize that and focus on it, and now I feel like that time the brain is healing, um, but there's way too much dependence on this constant monitoring of 'How am I? How am I? How am I?' and I just wanted to bring that forth. Thanks.

Ananta

Thank you. Firstly, um, all my love, all my blessings. Grace you, whatever needs to be healed in the most beautiful, most graceful and most gracious way. And I'm sorry you had to go through all this time and uh, but actually we've been in touch in this, uh, in the satsangs and it seemed quite normal. It didn't seem like there was an affliction like this that was between. You seemed quite cheerful and we—I always enjoy our conversation.

Seeker

Yeah, medication works, you know. Um, but again, it's not a—all the professionals I'm working with, I've never—it's not a normal thing for me. It really was like a long COVID thing. There was a neuropsychiatric long COVID. So I appreciate that. Um, there's still just been so much reference, like self-reference to how the mind is doing, especially as I'm starting to titrate off because we're assuming I'm okay now. Um, but there's this—and also if I may say, like um, the remembrance of what the panic response feels like in the body itself is triggering because, you know, again for a while I thought, 'Oh, is this a spiritual emergency? Bring it on,' you know, like, 'Is that what this is?' Who knows? But um, it was um, it's a very, very strong experience, that. And there's still like a hyper-vigilance against not wanting it to happen again and um, a dependence on—thankfully I don't have medication that I—it's just a regular, it's just a serotonin thing that calms the brain down. Um, but there's always, you know, an awareness of 'Is it enough?' and 'Am I okay?' And that's the part that um, is just causing pain, you know? That vigilant—like it's as you say, it's the wrong instrument to begin with, and then at the same time it's important that I think we care for our minds and bodies as best we can. Um, but yeah, I just wanted to bring that hyper-vigilance forward that I don't think you can service anymore. And it's probably based on, within the healing field of the Sangha and your grace, just the um, remembrance of the terror of those—of that experience that um, again, didn't make any sense. It wasn't related to anything actually happening, you know.

Ananta

Yes. So this sort of checking the ego loves. So um, I've spoken about it often as the 'spiritual checker guy.' Whereas, uh, because our identity for those in satsang is so much attached, deeply attached to spiritual progress and things, it usually latches on to that and keeps checking on whether we are being spiritual enough, whether we are being empty enough, whether we are—'What's my state? What's my state? What's my state?' Like that constant. And because now you've gone through this set of experiences, it is latching on to those and using that to fulfill its desire to be the constant checker in a particular case. So uh, what we have to do is we have to include this aspect of the mind in our openness and our—in our emptiness also. We have to include it in the open energy and we have to trust that our intuitive knowledge or heart knowledge—this is a Guru presence within us—will guide us if there is something needed in terms of taking care of an aspect of our existence, which may become mind or the body, whatever aspect needs taking care of. That intelligence which is running this universe, that intelligence can very well guide us into taking care of these things naturally if that is—if that is His will. We have to include this aspect of the mind, the checker guy, in this case working the mind itself, pretending to be a helpful guy to checking the state of the mind, whether we are okay, whether it needs something else, whether you're doing all right as the medicine is weaning off. But trust that your intuitive guidance can take care of that. And as long as you open to receiving the items in this way, I trust that it is God's will that we are guided in this way, then by His grace all will be well, all will be taken care of. So you have to allow these thoughts also to come and go, actually, as we would any other thought. But because this particular identity has been nurtured over the past two years, these may seem more compelling at the moment.

Seeker

You know, when Guruji will say something like um, a strong experience when it's in the blood, it's in the veins, it's really close. And I—I don't mean for this to be the mind proving how strong it is, trying to defend itself here. I just—the—the—the fear um, was so profoundly intense, quite dramatic, like body convulsing, the whole thing, but knowing I'm fine inside. It was like a physiology, like something was happening physiologically. It's hard to describe, but um, it's such a strong—it was such a strong experience, there's kind of an echo of it in the—in the system and it makes it hard, harder to find, find the space. It's um, I would venture among the most powerful experiences one can—can have of fear. So it's—and it's um, it's—it can be—it can be challenging to um, not get pulled in by it. Yeah, even just the memory of it right now—I'm not feeling it right now—the memory of it is so strong it creates all this emotion, you know? But we're always up here, all of us are talking about one strong experience or another, aren't we? You know? And you say that we have to have the sword and carry it forward, strength with us when it comes. So I also don't want to give it more power than it has. Thank you. Thank you for telling me so openly and um, completely with doing this.

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Ananta

Do you feel that as you're living life day to day you're able to remain in God's light, to remain open and empty, or um, this kind of fear has become dominant and it's a sort of 'OMG' most of the time?

Seeker

Oh no, no, no. It doesn't dominate or overwhelm. I think it's worse and more insidious than that because what I noticed day to day is a relief that the mind feels better. Yes. So being distracted by ridiculous things, TV shows and like—not in satsang all the time. I would have to be very forthright about that, that that's been a very slippery slope over the last couple of years, yes, in terms of depending on the mental state for how I am. And so now that I'm better, I could enjoy things again. Very tricky.

Ananta

Yes, I see what you mean. So let's—let's break it down for everyone a little bit slowly so that everyone is clear in terms of uh, what I'm actually suggesting and then we can see where—where there are—there are some trouble spots where there could be some um, some egoic sneakiness hiding which comes up. Fundamentally, what am I saying? Fundamentally I'm saying that this life is not worth it unless it is lived in God's light, is it? And when it—when we say lived in God's light, it can only be lived in God's light moment to moment. Now, it is impossible to be under the hypnosis of the mind and live in God's light simultaneously because it is not as if the light of God goes away, but the design of the hypnosis itself is those seeming that it is no longer present. You see, this part—part is very critical. So we may conclude conceptually that uh, 'I'm always in God's light and everything always happen and happens in God's will,' you see. We may conclude that conceptually, but the point of this evening is that it seems as if it gets hidden, it gets obscured behind the limitation that the mind offers, behind the concept that we are limited in that way. So—so that is the main thing, that no matter how spiritual we are, no matter how much progress we made spiritually in our lives, if we are under the influence moment to moment of identity through belief and thought, then God's light will seem obscure. And when a problem it has been in the mind as it has been, identity has gone toward meeting it and solving it, and that's the pattern that um, is causing a lot of trouble now.

Ananta

So really the point is to come to God's light, and there's no way we can live in God's light unless we are open and empty. And open, empty is not an achievement that we can claim like a permanent open and empty. It is something that is moment to moment, and moment to moment alone can that happen. So it doesn't matter what yesterday was, it doesn't matter what happened before just now. And I've been telling some of the other members also that we have to actively let go of every thought. We can't just presume that we are open and we have had the spiritual experience in the past. We have to actively let go of these thoughts, which can seem to represent the truth about us, but actually we have only represent something which is limited, which is a quality. So for a while, even if it feels like effort, you must make that effort. Otherwise we get obsessed with 'I, I, I' and that seems like the right vantage point to look at life from, but actually it is not at all the right um, place to lead life from or to look at life from.

Seeker

Yeah, it's felt pretty awful, thankfully, and I'm aware of that effort right now.

Ananta

Right now, are you aware of presence in your heart as well?

Seeker

Yes.

Ananta

So as long as the presence is with you, you're not in a limited vantage point. When you seem to be distant from the presence or disconnected from the presence—although we never truly are—but it is possible to seem that way. And as long as it seems that way, it is not the right way to live. And that's why I have said that don't leave your bed in the morning until you can experience God's presence in your heart. So make that the starting point because you don't want to get into your day living under the ego shadow and then going through that experience ourselves, and then others that you meet also have that experience of the ego shadow instead of meeting God's light. So start your day—even if it feels like the whole day went in this, God's presence didn't come—that day spent in bed may be better than us creating havoc in the world living in the ego shadow. So just allowing ourselves to be empty, allowing God's light to shine through and then we are ready to face this Leela in some way. You see, because we should not encounter this Maya, we should not need this Maya taking ourselves to be that which we are not. See, because that is literally the definition of hell. To meet Maya in a way that we take ourselves to be that which we are not is hell. There is no other hell but that. And to be in God's light and to be in the Satguru presence, to be in the light of the Holy Spirit is to be in Grace, is to be in heaven. And it is not possible that we are not empty and we are living in God's light because the sage was not mistaken when the sage told us that the lane is too narrow, there is not room enough for—

Ananta

See, because that is literally the definition of hell. To meet Maya in a way that we take ourselves to be that which we are not is hell. There is no other hell but that. And to be in God's light and to be in the Satguru's presence, to be in the light of the Holy Spirit, is to be in Grace, is to be in heaven. And it is not possible that we are not empty and we are living in God's light, because the sage was not mistaken when the sage told us that the lane is too narrow; there is not room enough for me and for God. So whatever it takes to make us empty—so for some, just the reminder 'open and empty' is enough. Others may need to chant something, others may need to meditate, others may need to sing some bhajan. Whatever helps is useful that way, as long as it doesn't become an end in itself. You see, there is nothing wrong with spiritual practice in itself, you see, as long as it doesn't become an end in itself and then soon it becomes egoic and it becomes about mastering the practice rather than it being about God and living in God's light.

Ananta

So especially in this time where you're transitioning out of a particular situation, if you feel like something just helps you become empty and helps you remain empty and therefore living in God's light, then there's no harm in doing that. But if just the reminder to be open and empty is enough, then that's fine too. Thank you. Hey, Glitter Dave, thank you. Every blessing, every blessing. Thank you. Thanks. All right, let's go to Keisha. Namaste.

Seeker

Namaste, Father. Hi. So when I came back from Bangalore, most of the pokes and things felt like just airy shadows, no? They didn't really, they weren't really rooting anything and it was curious, you know? It's very interesting. And then my sister's wedding was very busy and we had a lot of energy went into that. And the wedding's over now and then just recently, like these old pokes have been coming up and just like anger. And the story about the anger changes. And maybe it's the sense and the ease of coming back from Bangalore with the... maybe just the vigilance. Like, maybe I wasn't as vigilant as I should be and there was still a whisper, a whisper that was subtly taking root without my knowing it. Or I don't know, but I don't really know what I'm saying, but I...

Ananta

I think so. If there will be times that to remain empty will seem very natural and by Grace, may there be more of those times. But there will be times where it will seem like it is the most difficult thing we've ever done. Interesting. Now, what the mind will play in those times is to continue to say that, 'Oh, it used to be easy, so you lost it now,' or 'Something is not working now,' or 'How I'm the victim in this particular situation.' And they'll have all the narratives and all of the stories. But the thing is that there are times where you have to actively let go of it thought by thought. You see, you have to actively let go of it thought by thought. You cannot rest on how it was in the past.

Ananta

So when it proposes that this is what the truth is—and that's all that it is doing, the mind is constantly proposing that this is what the truth is, you see—and we've looked at the absurdity of that proposal for a long time, for many years. And you've been in satsang also for quite some time. We've looked at the absurdity of the impossibility of the fact that a concept can propose reality to us. See, like a concept can propose truth to us, and yet that is what the mind is constantly doing. And we buy into that notion, into that narrative. And the instant we buy into that narrative, it is like we put a curtain, we put a veil on God's light because we want to live on our own terms. We want to live in the ego shadow.

Ananta

So especially in the times that it seems difficult, we must actively let go of these thoughts one by one, because they will only come one by one, you see. And the thoughts will talk to you about the past, about how it was easy and how things were different and how you had it but you lost it and how that is so unfair, you see, all of those things. But you have the power to let go one by one and we must exercise that powerfully, especially when it seems difficult. Because when it's easy, it's easy. But when it's difficult, when it seems compelling, when it seems so true, it is like that. See, it comes with a great force saying, 'But it is like that. Life is like this to me.'

Seeker

So much so you don't even have to say it is like that. You just take it like it's not even questioned.

Ananta

Yes, yes. It's not saying those words. It's just like proposing it so strongly that whatever the proposal may be, it comes with that authority saying that this is how it is, you see. But can a mere thought actually reflect what reality is? It can never do that. And we've tried this over and over where we've looked and we said, 'Okay, now let a thought represent just even what you're perceiving in this moment.' Like, what is this? Can a thought represent what this is? It cannot represent. But that's its constant attempt, you see.

Ananta

Now, it seems harmless enough because you've done it for so many years, but the fact is that the instant we buy into what the proposal of the thought is, we are taking to be real that which is unreal. And when we take that which is unreal to be real, then we are no longer living in God's light for that moment, you see. And there is nothing worth exchanging God for. No amount of 'how right I am,' 'how good I am,' 'how truthful I am,' 'how full of integrity I am.' No amount of righteousness makes up for exchanging God, see, because these are the ego's temptations. 'But I'm so right, I'm telling the truth.' We cannot tell the truth. The mind cannot tell the truth, you see. But it uses that as a defense for this delusion, for this identity, for living in hell.

Ananta

So first we must want to become completely stupid losers. If not want to, then at least be fine with it. Be fine with it, because the mind will keep poking this button and saying, 'Without me, you're just a stupid loser.' So if without the mind I'm a stupid loser digging on the streets with nobody giving me a second look, then I'm fine with that. Because I'd rather have God's light for an instant rather than the ego's masquerades of being something special, you see. So that's where humility comes in. Humility is really very important because unless we have humility, the proposals of the mind will seem very attractive to us, you see. And the fact is that pride is a blind spot. Pride is a blind spot where nobody believes that they are proud.

Ananta

Like to this day, every day I am realizing how stupid I am and how much pride I still have. And it's a blind spot, see. So I'm still discovering as the depth of insight gets deepening, as the meeting with God goes deeply here, I realize the silliness that still plays out here.

Seeker

Yeah, Father, I see the pride, you know? And it's its fragrance is judgment, and it's judgment of other. And the insecurity is also pride; the insecurity is also superiority, you know, disguised. And the judgment comes from this superiorness of that that person is wrong. And all of this is dependent on just that one thing.

Ananta

Exactly that one thing. Because the biggest pride actually is that I can conceptually understand God or understand what is right and what's wrong and what they're doing. I think we do that, you see. We are buying into the false notion of buying into false knowledge and we are stuck in pride, even though we may think we are being very truthful, we are being very nice sometimes. But the only truth can come from the heart. It only comes from the heart. Everything else is pride. So the minute, the instant we go the ego's way, it is pride that 'I can do this on my own.' But this 'my own' doesn't even exist, you see. So that is that is the Leela, that is Maya.

Ananta

So to stay in the heart is to stay with God. And may we not be shaken by the temptations of the mind. And the mind will use every opportunity. It will use every opportunity. It will use what is meant to bring us into the heart to make fresh conclusions about ourselves, you see. So all that is being said is so that you can be in the heart, not so that you can make newer conceptual conclusions about your state again, because that is the same error, you see. So mental humility is as good as mental pride; it's the same thing. It is still making a judgment about that which we are unable to make a judgment about.

Ananta

So if like a pet rabbit started talking to you about how you should live your life, you see, you may find it very cute initially, but eventually you'll want it to shut up. So what is happening is the same way that the mind, which has no ability to fathom the nature of this reality, wants to participate in judging the nature of reality, and that is the doorway to all trouble. Okay? So pride is not just, 'Oh, I'm so great, I'm so special, I'm getting all of this, I'm so free.' All of that. Pride is also, 'Oh, I'm so undeserving and I'm so messed up,' and all of those conclusions as well.

Seeker

Exactly. Yeah, yeah.

Ananta

So let go of all of that. Don't fall for any temptations from the mind, especially any temptation which allows us to believe that we can get a conceptual answer to the way things are in life or the way things are in the world. Okay? So let me ask everyone a question. So what is that which will make us want to do this on our own rather than live in God's light? Yeah? And let me add to that question: and what is that which we just presume that this must be coming from God, even though it sounds so right in our heads that we just presume that it has to be coming from God?

Ananta

In the sense that... because the answer to the first question is in this second question. The first question was: what is that for which we are willing to leave God's light? Because the mind says, 'Okay, now this you have to do on your own.' They sound very believable. The concept itself may sound inherently good or inherently better for us, you see. But that is not the way of living in God's light. We must become innocent like children where we are not able to gauge the goodness or badness of even the simplest sounding concept, and we must wait for God, guidance from the heart. As precarious as that may seem to the mind, you will not become vegetative. That is the only way to live in God's light, to live in God's will.

Seeker

It's also the judgment that 'this is more God' and 'this is less of God.' Can we just presume that if it is presented by our mind in a certain way, then this automatically must be more Godly? Or maybe because it relies on some prior experience or something like that? Yeah, for what they're doing is not in integrity, like judging others and also yourself. 'I'm feeling this and this is not God.'

Ananta

Yeah, so yes, exactly. So even with feeling we say, 'Oh, because I'm feeling so angry, because I'm feeling this, therefore I must be doing something wrong.' All of that is an attempt to what? To play God as a person. To play God and therefore to avoid God, you see. To play God by coming up with our own conclusions is just an avoidance of God. It is basically a mind attack on God. Correct. That's fine.

Ananta

So the way out of this is very straightforward, but it doesn't always seem easy. The way out of this is just thought by thought. Don't presume that, 'Oh, so it's all like I'm sorted.' Just when you experience suffering, don't get into any Advaita denial, any conceptual ideas, nothing. Just sit down, let them go thought by thought. They will come; let it go. As much of a novice practice or a beginner practice as it may seem, you see, we must return to this beginner's way.

Seeker

It doesn't feel like a novice practice, actually. It feels very good to hear that.

Ananta

This is all right. So as we open and empty, as we open and empty, that is the only place from which we can speak of any sort of insight or truth. If we are still conceptual, if we are still in the mind, then all our talk about truth is just intellectual. So we have just one job: just be open and empty. Then truth will speak through our...

Ananta

A beginner practice as it may seem, you see, we must return to this beginner's way. It doesn't feel like a novice practice actually; it feels very good to hear that this is all right. So, as we open and empty, that is the only place from which we can speak of any sort of insight or truth. If you are still conceptual, if you're still in the mind, then all our talk about truth is just intellectual. So, we have just one job: just be open and empty. Then truth will speak through our heart. It will use the body instrument if it has to. Nothing else is needed at the same time.

Ananta

And can we be full of the mind just automatically? Um, it can't be. It takes work. It takes effort to suffer. Okay, we just see this; it will make it a lot simpler. Just to be in God's light is actually effortless. But if it feels like effort, let's make the effort. But to suffer is a lot of hard work. You have to work with your attention, you have to work with your belief, and constantly be interpreting and judging. If you were to just let everything come and go, would that be work? Or if you have to sit and judge everything? 'Ah, this is good, this is bad, this is nice, this doesn't look good, this looks bad.' You know, after ten minutes you'll be tired, no? But we do this all day. But the mind would have us believe that that is the effortless way to live, and it says, 'But to be empty seems like a lot of effort.' So that's why I'm saying that if it feels like, or if you're believing it is effort, make the effort. It's okay. It's much better than sitting and judging everything. And to represent everything in our mind is to judge everything. With the world, without a conceptual framework, if you drop everything, it won't hurt you. You may feel that if I drop the notion of up and down and sitting and standing, how can I function? But have you tried it? Try it out.

Seeker

Father, when there's this openness and spaciousness, like there sometimes, the idea comes of like, I just don't feel like I'm doing anything. Like, I feel like I'm not—I don't know how to be used as a tool. Like, I feel like I'm not—like you say to be empty and empty for God to use, but I just don't—I don't know what God wants, like how to be used. I just feel useless.

Ananta

Yes, but what you're saying now, these are not thoughts? What are we using now to represent reality? Did your heart come and tell you, 'Oh, you're being so useless right now, you're not a good instrument of God, you're just being useless right now'? Is it your heart? Well, it's a thought. Then you cannot use that. Like, we cannot use the mind as a supervisor there. 'Oh, I'm so empty, but I'll still use the mind as a supervisor saying, "Okay, now are you being useful? Father said you should be an instrument of God, are you being that?"' That is literally the Checker Guy. That is the definition of the Checker Guy who is then saying, 'Okay, now I'm going to help you on this and I'm going to tell you what to do and where you're going wrong and what you're doing well.' Yeah, do you see? This is what I was saying, that the mind will say that you're doing things really badly. So just say, 'Okay, I'll do it badly, but I'm not going to do it with you.'

Ananta

It's like having a friend who says, 'Oh, but without me, who will buy you the best tickets for the best concerts and the best sports and the best whatever?' But going with that friend anywhere is a big pain in itself, you see? So I don't want to do, I don't want to be smart, I don't want to be good, I don't want to be anything if it is with you—with you who is lame. Like the mind will come and say that without me your life will be so pointless, you know? 'I buy you the best tickets to the best shows; without me your life is nothing.' Yeah, you see? So admit to being nothing, but at least you're without the mind. That's what I was saying earlier, that if the mind says, 'But you're going to be stupid, you're going to be a loser,' say, 'Okay, I'm happy to be a stupid loser, but as long as it's not with you.' I didn't mean that in the sense that we must take that as a new identity or something like that. I'm just saying that as a defense against the mind's temptations of pride and arrogance, just be a humble beggar. It's fine, you see?

Ananta

And we must come to a point where self-concern is zero. Self-concern has to become zero; then the Checker Guy cannot operate. We are constantly like, 'Am I doing well? Am I doing badly? How's it going for me?' Who is that 'me'? That is the false one. So if our spirituality just made us more concerned about the false one, then that cannot be a true spirituality. It's just like chanting the ego's Maha Mantra: 'What's in it for me?' In a spiritual-sounding way, using big spiritual words is not spirituality. So you must come to a self-concern which is next to nothing. So I feel a great disservice has been done to true spirituality in the name of this kind of airy-fairy spirituality which has nothing to do with God. It's all about getting us to a better state and making our life like this or like that, and we feel like then God is just in service to getting us to that point.

Ananta

And I'm speaking to everyone as I'm saying all of this; it's not directed individually. What's a good metaphor for this? This is definitely not a good metaphor, but it's like enjoying a nice hot cup of tea with ice cubes in our mouths—to try and represent the world through the mind's eyes and try to live in God's light at the same time. It's just not possible.

Seeker

It comes after the facts mostly, Father, you know? After insight or after this openness, and then it comes in, you know?

Ananta

Yeah, yes, but don't keep track. Okay? Why do we need to keep track? The truth is ever fresh and ever available right now. So we don't need to keep track of my progress, like 'What is my trajectory and ups and downs and what happens?' because that also is self-concern, basically, which is not the capital S.

Seeker

Yes. Thank you, Father. Thank you, thank you, thank you. There you go. I love you so much.

Ananta

Let's go to Samia. Hello.

Seeker

Father, yes. Sorry, I just get angry with something now and you unmute me. Something, huh? Yeah, I just wanted to meet with you. Yeah, I mean, not just of course, like, yeah, I miss you of course. It's been quite some time we couldn't meet and it seems like my life is just changing a lot and my mind went crazy actually for two days. And this is what is called as mind attack. Like, I don't have that so much, but since yesterday I'm just—yeah, I just went crazy. And it's placed like, like there is something, some situation, and some thoughts came about this and it's like I don't know the truth about this and I didn't learn yet. So I'm—I'm just completely destroyed with that. I mean—

Ananta

And yet you can live in God's light. It's good to see that something is just so stable.

Seeker

It's like there is a—I don't know how it's called, but yet like my mind went crazy really. Like, I have a headache, I don't have energy to walk, but still I have energy to walk and I'm still good. This light is still just so apparent, but it's just so disturbing, you know? I just want to learn the truth and I don't know—

Ananta

In what way are you saying the truth? Let's learn the truth in what way?

Seeker

Um, like maybe the thought is about like—okay, the thought is like maybe I'm kids sets, you know, in a worst way. It's in a very, very, very, like, unbelievable worst way. And it cannot be true and it can be true. So I just want to learn this but about this—

Ananta

Just the house is on fire. Tell me a thought which can represent the truth.

Seeker

Yeah, I was talking about relative truths.

Ananta

No, no. Does the absolute need the relative truths? No, not at all.

Seeker

Okay, so the relative needs a relative truth. And who is the relative or where is the relative? Is it an uncle or an aunt or what?

Seeker

The one who has nothing to do with my life and it's unfolding. That is what—that is the relative? No, no, no, no. I mean, the God light which you refer to, which you shone, it's like it has—it's completely detached from all these stories and they—I don't know. Sorry, I'm confused now.

Ananta

Maybe let's go slowly. Okay? Don't worry, don't worry. Let's go really slowly. So there is an absolute truth. So what would we count in that absolute truth? We would say that reality is untouched by whatever comes and goes. The pure witnessing is not affected by whatever may happen. In the pure witnessing there emerges—tell me at what point the relative starts. Okay? So in that pure witnessing emerges boundless being, and that being has a primordial vibration that we call the presence. In the light of presence, the seeming world seems to appear. And the seeming world also has one aspect which is the interpreter, the interpretive aspect which we call the mind. That interpreter cannot truly tell us anything about the world or about ourselves, but it proposes to. But also we have a deeper intuitive ability which can guide us in terms of life in the world as well as show us the real truths of who we are.

Ananta

So if this intuitive ability is present, why do we need to go to a conceptual version of truth? Of what use is that? Seemingly relative truths are basically falseness that refers to itself as relative truths. I heard you; I'm just checking basically. Okay, so to cut all that long story short, for what do you need to go to the mind when your heart is there?

Seeker

Some blind spots make me like this. I don't know.

Ananta

Yes, but the starting point could also be to give it truth value where actually it is not a true representative of anything.

Seeker

I didn't understand.

Ananta

The starting point of the trouble would also be to make the claim that it has some truth element to it, although the only possibility of meeting the truths, either absolute or relative, is intuitively. Does the heart say that the mind is relative truths, or does the mind say that 'I am the relative truth'?

Seeker

Sorry, Father, I cannot understand you right now. Can you ask again?

Ananta

Yes, I'm saying: does the heart say that the mind is relative truth?

Seeker

I have no idea.

Ananta

We should check on this, no? We should really check on this first. If the heart does not tell us that we can use the mind as relative truths, and the mind itself makes that claim, and the mind we have seen is wrong about everything, then why do we feel it is right about this?

Seeker

Sorry, I'm just gone. Sorry, and I need to check some words you said.

Ananta

Yes, can we start again? Okay, let's go to the root of the question, which is: for what do you need to go to the mind when you can actually go to the heart? What do I need to do? In what situations would you need to go here to the head instead of just being here in the heart like till now?

Seeker

It's—I don't know, Father.

Ananta

Is it? So I want to make one thing clear to everyone, which is that it is not that there are two distinct types of intelligences that we have, one is useful for this and one is useful for that, you see? It is not that. What we have intuitively as a Satguru presence—this is the higher intelligence which encompasses every other intelligence which can show up, whether it is mental, emotional, physical. All these things are sprouting only from our intuitive insights, from our intuitive presence, from God's presence, from the Satguru presence within us, you see? So when we become reliant on our intuitive insight, it is not that we let go of any intelligence; it is just that we are going to the source itself. So it's a very popular notion in the world, you know, because even in India we often hear about this, that 'Oh, there is an absolute, so in Advaita we only hear about the absolute, but there's also a relative which is vyavaharika, so we must go to that when it's necessary and we must have the ability to discriminate between the two.' Who has that intelligence? Who is going to have the ability to judge and say, 'For this I need to go to my heart and for this I need to go to my head'? And if the judgment lies with the head itself, what do you think it is going to claim? You see? So I am just making it clear for everyone that this is a great misunderstanding because in the—

Ananta

There's also a relative which is we have antahkarana, so we must go to that when it's necessary and we must have the ability to discriminate between the two. Who has that intelligence? Who is going to have the ability to judge and say, 'For this I need to go to my heart and for this I need to go to my head'? And if the judgment lies with the head itself, what do you think is going to claim you, see? So I am just making it clear for everyone that this is a great misunderstanding because in the heart is the source of all intelligence. This entire universe crowds from that in religions, and we think that it cannot guide us in terms of our life. It is just not true, you see. So don't allow your mind to create this category of absolute and relative. Just stay with your heart, forget about these distinctions, and your heart will guide you moment to moment. God's light will guide you moment to moment.

Seeker

Yeah, I don't know, Father. 'Do not know' is the best. Thank you, Father. What he said is already my everyday experience, so I just know what does it mean like my heart guides me. Just, yeah, I don't know what's happening right now, but yeah, it's very good.

Ananta

Your heart is the intuitive heart. It is not feeling, it is not emotion, it is not anything but that. It is the pure Satguru presence within you. Just trust that for everything.

Seeker

I want to... is it good? Yeah, maybe. I want to share a little bit something, offer something, but I feel a little shame. Maybe it's nothing, but I don't know why, but I'm so glad that I feel a little shame to expose this in this.

Ananta

Make this the starting point. Follow your heart about it and do exactly as you've been guided to. As you are conceptually empty in your head, don't determine beforehand what you should or should not do. Allow your heart to guide you.

Seeker

Thank you. So I feel like especially in relationships, right? Especially in relationships, one-to-one connections, even though I'm just so blessed that somehow with your blessing just everything is just so natural, you know, like spontaneous and from the heart. But still, minds can be very oppressive, which has come from the past actually. And even the point which I came is just a miracle actually, Father, because I know how I was in the past. So, yeah, I just want to offer still this kind of planning—not planning, I don't know—disciplining minds to you. Even though I think I did not have any power over my relationship and my experiences, still somehow the fear of the past, like how I experienced before, still a little it's played, still...

Ananta

Everything, everything you have to offer, not just that, of course. Yeah, everything. Just don't know anything here. Nothing.

Seeker

I was like this. I don't know how did I come back. I don't know. Okay. Relaxed. May I ask a question from here or from here?

Ananta

Do you really want to? Do you really need to from the mind again? No, no. Just allow it to come and go. Everything from the mind, allow it to come and go. It only seems important; it is never important.

Seeker

Okay. This question I want to ask, but also Guruji says this, you know, like what you conceive you perceive. So it seems like also mind has power, Father. You know, like have I experienced life? So I don't know, maybe you can bring something. Maybe that's why, maybe it's a cheating point.

Ananta

It's this: that is not the way to look at it really. The way we use the term mind is the mind is a bundle of thoughts. It does not have any ability to project any of this. So in Indian spirituality, sometimes we use the term 'big mind.' The big mind has the ability to perceive and conceive, you see. And whenever it is said like that, it is actually meant to explain to us that there is no difference in God's will between God wanting something and God meeting that or experiencing that. So there's actually no difference between conception and perception. But that is to be met at the level of what sometimes is called the big mind in Indian spirituality. But we never give that kind of credit to the small mind, which is nothing but a bundle of thoughts. A thought cannot conceive or perceive any of this.

Seeker

But then why some experiences we are experiencing again and again and it's like a nightmare, you know? Like, yeah, I think we all have this kind of thing. And it seems like, you know, how also we maybe read in books or other kind of spirituality, like it's something we fear or something experienced and it happens again and again. So what do you say about this?

Ananta

Yes, so I can give you some nice answers as to why, because we have to learn those lessons and until we don't learn those lessons then they will repeat and all of that thing. But the higher answer is that show me the instrument with which you can fathom the answer to any 'why' question. Why anything? What do you know? Why anything? Why do you exist? Why is there existence instead of non-existence? You see, so the mind does not have the capacity to even fathom existence, and everything else is dependent on existence. So if it cannot get the 'why' to existence itself, then there's no hope for it understanding the 'why' to anything at all. So again, it points to the same thing, saying the only answers available are intuitively. Don't expect that you will understand. No, this is how, this is why the human condition is like this and this is how it should be. And this is actually the bane of the human condition where the mind has the ability to ask these big questions, you see, but it does not have the ability to assimilate the answer. It can only be met in the heart.

Ananta

Don't play a table tennis match. In the sense that what can happen many times is that you're hearing two voices: you're hearing my voice and the mind's voice. You make the claim that what you're hearing from the mind is your voice and what you're hearing from the Master is from outside. Actually, it is the other way around. So if you were to treat it that way, what would happen? If you were to treat what you were hearing from me as your heart, as your truth, as your reality, and what your mind is telling you as something which is absurd and outside of your reality, then how would your life change? You change completely. But we do the reverse. We take the side of our mind and we say, 'Ah, this is what I think, what I feel,' and we hear the Master's voice as if it is something outside of us. Whereas actually, it is the Master's voice which is truly representing your heart, your reality, which is more intimately you than what your mind is. If you were to just make this switch, this itself will be so helpful.

Seeker

Like my Master, as you said, also using words, so mind is using words. I don't know, I'm so confused now. We cannot make out the difference between your heart's voice and your mind's voice, is that what you're saying? Yes, sometimes, yes. Like sometimes I see that my heart is speaking and I take it as no, it's my speaking and I reject it. But when mind speaks, I take it as heart speaking.

Ananta

The way around is always... I'll give you two tips for this, and if you remember these two tips, you will never get confused with this ever again. If while you hear your heart's voice you experience an unconditional love—not a personal love, not an individual love, not an emotion called love, but a deeper love which is unconditional—then that is your heart's voice. To do it again, an even higher tip is that when you are clear about who you are, when it is apparent to you your reality, then the guidance that you hear is your heart's voice. Yeah, you can neglect, you can leave everything else as the mind's voice.

Seeker

Yeah, I think the second was already how it is.

Ananta

Use it. Use it. Use the tool fully. Don't allow your mind to scare you and to push you around like this.

Seeker

Yeah, recently I'm just so active, Father, and it just... you create something, but I'm so happy about this actually. It is a good challenge and yeah, actually I'm growing. So I'm so happy about this, like I started to experience myself and still in my heart while I'm with people, while I'm fully active. So it's good actually. Yeah, okay, good, good. Thank you. And may I still... I just want to ask for your blessings and your full, full grace. I will go somewhere and for this I feel like I need your blessing because there were some situations there which I shared with you before. Yeah, I mean, your blessings be with me and just thank you. I love you so much, Father. Thank you.

Ananta

Okay, let's go to Saurabh. Very slightly, my dear. Let's try again. It's a bit sporadic. It comes for a moment and then it dies again. Is the mic connected correctly? No, in the system. Okay, it's still a bit unclear, but we can try with this and we can try with this activity now.

Seeker

I have no question to ask. You're saying that you don't have any real question to ask? Yes, actually my grandfather passed away 15 days before. So first thing, something triggered inside you seeing that your grandfather passed away 15 days ago and something got triggered, is that what you say? Yes, yes. After that, actually the one doing inquiry was not real before. Yes, I cannot explain it. Just like there was a thought coming just after, sometimes I will be there in his position, just burning his body like that. Some questioning always was there and something regarding inside and I was doing Shambhavi inquiry and somehow some space is there inside which is not... I don't have anything to say. It is not connected to this. Yes, if anything happens through, if I lost my job or anything may happen, but that space is not even touched. I cannot explain it in words better.

Ananta

Very good, very good, very good. So you recognize as you were inquiring that there is a deeper space which remains untouched no matter what happens in life. You recognizing that now, is that deeper space more intimate to you, or is the body-mind and the functioning of the world and this waking state more intimate to you? What is closer to you?

Seeker

That being state, actually I feel something to say like that. That being state, which is the source of my breath, I can tell like that.

Ananta

Yes, yes. Very beautiful. So you are perceiving the world from that instead of looking into the deeper space from the world, isn't it?

Seeker

I feel to say that that vibration is true and that is more important than anything else. Yes, even the one who is reporting about that state, but that 'I am,' so that intuitive state is there. Yes, I cannot explain, I don't know.

Ananta

We could say very good report. I'm happy to hear this, very happy to hear this. So remain in that beingness, in that 'I am'-ness, just naturally. Just naturally be in that. By remaining empty in your head, you're naturally in that light, and from there everything that we ever can need or to understand, everything is available only through that.

Seeker

And I think that person is still... a person is thinning away.

Ananta

The feeling of the thinning away of the person is not actually a physical thing. It is the ease with which we let go of our mind. The ease with which we let go of our mind is the thinning away of the person because there is no entity called the person. It is just a belief that we create using belief in the mind. When the person identity thins away, then the notions that seemed so attractive earlier, they just come and go and we are not concerned with them. As we go along, keep me posted and maybe see if you can do something about your mic for the future so I can hear you a bit better. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.

Ananta

Let's go to Karuna Mai. You're looking all super tanned on the beach a lot?

Seeker

Not really, but just in this Portugal sun, yeah. And I picked this way of the day. I just want to offer myself up and if you have anything to share with me, I'm happy to receive. And I think I had this longing in my heart this morning to meet you in the heart and that's why I put my hand up. And thank you so much.

Ananta

Do something about your mic for the future so I can hear you a bit better. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. Let's go to Karana. We're looking all super tanned on the beach. A lot? Not really, but just in this Portugal sun.

Seeker

Yeah, and I picked this way of the day. I just want to offer myself up and if you have anything to share with me, I'm happy to receive. I think I had this longing in my heart this morning to meet you in the heart, and that's why I put my hand up. Thank you so much. Thank you, thank you. And also next week, when you go to Tiru, if you can offer our pranams, myself and my family, we would be very grateful.

Ananta

Yes, definitely. And all my love to you. Thank you, thank you. Yes, I think he likes as much to add besides the guidance I've given everyone today. Thank you. Yes, very good. Thank you. All my love to you and the kids and everyone there with me in Portugal in a trial period. Thank you, thank you so much. I love you.

Seeker

Thank you so much. Georgie, hello, my dear. Can you hear me okay?

Ananta

Yes, it's all right. It's not great, but it's all right.

Seeker

Um, I just wanted to ask you about Tiru. I wasn't here. I would love to come. I don't think I can make it, but I'll be there somehow. And I heard you Monday say something about a goal you received to feed a thousand people, something like this. And I wanted to ask you about that and whether that is what you're going to be doing.

Ananta

Yes, so that is the feelings. So one morning, no, few days back, I just received guidance in my heart that I should feed a thousand people before I go up north. So that's what... once this guidance came, then we wondered for a bit what would be the best. And then Yogi's ashram and Madiki came as the first choice for us. And like that, it is going to play out well. So what's your question? About the process of receiving the guidance itself, or was it about the content of the guidance?

Seeker

I don't know. I just wanted to know more about it.

Ananta

And what do you mean by the process of the guidance? In the sense that often I have said, because many of you have reported saying that if it is like in words, then it has to be from the mind and the heart doesn't speak and these kind of things. So I was wondering whether the question is coming from that sort of angle. But I have now often said that the heart can guide us in very specific ways as well, and that's all of our experience. In fact, many times I'm sure that you came to India and stayed in Bangalore for a few months has to have been heart guidance. It cannot be something which is very attractive to the mind usually. So it can be quite specific in its guidance. When you mentioned this specific guidance, yes, beautiful and very specific as well. And the same as I feel is the same as what is being shared in satsang is also received as guidance here. I don't ever feel that it's only for all of you listening; I also receive it as guidance here as well. So to receive this kind of specific words as guidance from the heart, it is quite natural now because I've been sharing for quite some time. So it doesn't have to be just in the sharing sort of situation; it can be in any situation.

Seeker

I understand. And you're going to Neem Karoli Baba afterwards?

Ananta

Yes, that's actually a family visit because it so happened that one of my relatives, they have a house very close to the ashram. So we go close to that and then I make a visit there. I don't know if the whole family will come, but I'll definitely go.

Seeker

So many blessings for this trip to Tiru. The whole Sangha will be there somehow, whatever way we can.

Ananta

I feel that. I feel that. Thank you for your blessings. Thank you. All my love.

Seeker

And I realized that I wanted to wish you for your birthday and maybe we can... how long has it been now? I'm losing track of time. Is it still fresh for us to sing at the end or no?

Ananta

Sure. It was Sunday. It was last Sunday. Thank you. Thank you. We might as well just start laughing now. I pour this advantage.

Seeker

Hi. I tried to find the question just to be with you a little bit, but actually I cannot hold on to any question now. It's just all gone. But still something, some longing in here, just missing you and just something then to be with you, like one with you. And this is why I'm here now. And I don't know what to be talking about really, but it is still here, this desire, this lack in my heart. And I just feel it needs to be filled up and stay like that all the time. Like, yeah, I don't want to be without you anymore.

Ananta

Yes. So what confirms to you that there is a lack in your heart? Please, can you repeat? Yes, what confirms to you, or how do you know that there is a lack in your heart?

Seeker

It is just a feeling, Anantaji. If it's just a very strong feeling, very strong here, yeah, the feeling. Okay, now the feeling is saying, 'Cool, there's a feeling.' Yeah, I know. I, yeah, like this. But that 'like this' is saying there's a lack in my heart and all that. I know it is just the experience. And when we are together and speaking, like if there is some beautiful openness and something happened, and maybe this is the longing about it. But it is not just about the experience. I don't want just having nice experiencing and this is just kind of like disappearing in you, just finished, all finished in you and not coming back to this identity anymore.

Ananta

Okay, so let's make it really simple to start with. How do we know anything?

Seeker

I don't know how, but there is some... there is some... I don't know how, Anantaji, but somehow there is some knowledge coming and going. And I can say with the knowledge, 'Yes, I don't like this knowledge. I don't like it. I'm still here.' The knowledge which comes and goes cannot be true. Yes, I still... yeah. And also I know this, you know this one. Yeah, I believe you. I believe this. And still, it is just here as well. I know I already told this over and you already answered that, and I cannot say anything, but it is new and still somehow I am stuck in this kind of automatic belief energetic system.

Ananta

Okay, now let the next thought come and believe it automatically. We just believe it automatically?

Seeker

Believe automatically? Yeah, you just mentioned before that sometimes we even have to let the thoughts come one by one. Is that the thoughts are coming one by one? Yeah, I prefer to let them go one by one. Therefore, yeah, and sometimes it's really annoying. Sometimes, but you see, it's really easy and I don't do anything, it's just happening. But sometimes it's really just nights and nights when something is here and come and come. And I just thrive days of full freedom, but nights and nights, every night is right. And the nighttime is coming and I am, 'Oh God, I am in a hell.' And then I do whatever, whatever is in my hand. I'm chanting, I'm starting wiring, I let it go, I'm surrendering, I do all the practice and I'm talking all at the same time. Remember when it's like, 'Oh, that didn't work. Okay, then next is what is coming.' Like this will be something else, but okay, it's not good enough. I chose another one. It still is not working now. And this over-confusion, and this is getting worse.

Ananta

If chanting doesn't work, then you follow your breath?

Seeker

Yeah, I've tried those as well as empty, open, open, open, empty. It's just like this. I don't think that... no, what does it mean at that time? And the mind tries to think about, 'Okay, but what is open and empty?' And this again is just the interpretation of this and just the... and then...

Ananta

So if that doesn't work, then you put some bhajan on?

Seeker

Yeah, yeah.

Ananta

And then if that doesn't work, then you put some satsang?

Seeker

Yes, but often people report that if they need to sleep, they just put my satsang on. Have you tried that? Even when Monday and Wednesday I listened to your satsangs, but I cannot see you. I cannot see what's in your eyes. It's different. It's... yeah, it is not the same waves that I'm sending through my eyes. For me, it's like this is something in this kind of social... hi, I really want to take my head off fully.

Ananta

So if we start with the presumption that everything that the sages have ever told us doesn't work, then how do we really solve this problem? 'I've tried this, I've tried this, I've tried this, I've tried this, none of this works, only the X-ray vision from the eyes.' I don't know. I probably have to do... if it's on a live satsang, only then the thing works? Not a recording? A recording doesn't do the trick? Of you? But we have so many thousands of recordings with video. But it has to be live like this? How do you know this is not a recording? Stuff happened in the real live conversation like this. I... it must be just to believe it is. But there is so much experience behind this belief.

Ananta

So much experience behind a belief? Yeah, there's never a belief which can actually represent an experience. You feel like an experience culminates into a belief? No, it is like saying that I was walking towards Spain and I ended up in Namibia. Where is this kind of... I don't know, something to disappear. But then I am with you, something is just not here anymore and it's just... that's my marketing program, that's different. But what I'm saying is, what I'm saying is that just letting go or just being open and empty should work even without my superpowers.

Seeker

I know it should, but it's not, Anantaji. And this is... I mean, not always. Yes, of course it's working sometimes, probably when I don't even want that much. But when I want, it's not working. Then yes, that's the answer. So I shouldn't want. Yes, but how can I, Anantaji?

Ananta

But when you don't want, it works. Yeah, but when you desire, which means that you are grasping—you know the grasping? When you're grasping strongly and wanting to let go, it can't work because you're grasping strongly. What is want? Want, especially in this case, in the spiritual case, is driven by a lot of self-concern. Like, 'What is happening to me? I should not be like this. I should be like that. This should not be my experience, something else should be my experience.' And then that becomes a want. And as we are wanting, we can't let go because wanting is the opposite of letting go.

Seeker

So how to let the wanting go?

Ananta

Don't believe it. Don't know anything at all. You know something? Do you know anything?

Seeker

I don't want to know anything.

Ananta

No, do you know anything?

Seeker

I do. I feel like I know that now I am sitting here and speaking to you, Ananta. It's like a knowledge here, speaking to me. I feel like this.

Ananta

Do you know this?

Seeker

I believe this, yes.

Ananta

You believe it, but do you know it? Yes? No, you don't. You see, this is how we believe things which are not true. 'I am sitting talking to him,' as if there's an 'I', there's a 'him'. This is how lies get built. So you have to not know anything. Because who is talking to whom? Are you on this side or that side? Are you speaking or hearing? You don't know. We don't know. We have to first start with admitting that we don't know. You see, the world of course will call us crazy, and that's fine, and maybe we are, who can say? But clearly, unless we stop knowing so much, we cannot use any technique or tactic. It's not going to work. We have to return to the innocence first. As an infant, you knew? As an infant, did you know, 'I am crying in my mother's lap. What will they say? I should stop it now. I should behave responsibly.' We didn't know all of this, and yet everything was taken care of. So first, let's stop knowing so much, starting with 'I' and 'you', 'I am the other'. Let's stop knowing that. You see, now what happens is that we take such absurdity to be so truthful and we say it with that confidence: 'Yes, I know this. I am talking to you right now.' And we are in Advaita. In non-duality, there are no two. So is non-duality just a concept then? If it is so true that I am talking to you, there are two, no? Then Advaita is a nice concept that the two of us can agree on and see there are no two, that both agree on this. We're getting the absurdity of all of it? Yeah. So, my child, you must stop knowing things because that is...

Ananta

Such absurdity to be so truthful, and we say it with that confidence: 'Yes, I know this. I am talking to you right now.' And we are in Advaita, in non-duality. There are no two. So is non-duality just a concept then? If it is so true that I am talking to you, there are two, no? Then Advaita is a nice concept that the two of us can agree on and see there are no two that both agree on this. We're getting the absurdity of all of it, yeah. So, my child, you must stop knowing things because that is just conceptual ideas, beliefs floating around as truths. And the instant you take them to be true, then you can feel like, 'But I can't let go.' You can't let go because we're taking the false to be true.

Ananta

She is determined not to laugh today till she gets her answers. You're sitting in your house, you're looking at a computer; none of this is true. Don't know anything at all. Without this emptiness, letting go is not possible. And without letting go, God's light will not be apparent to us. It's as simple as that. This is the key: you don't know. Like, this is the only thing Guruji told me on the heart seat. If some of you have seen that conversation, I said, 'I don't know what to ask.' He said, 'Yes, it's better not to know because knowing messes it all up.' You cannot laugh and think at the same time. Maybe you should try this instead of all the spiritual techniques: let's put on a comedy show.

Seeker

Thank you. Let's go to Amanda. Hello family, there is a bright and sunny place today. Very nice, it is. It's just waiting on the sunrise right now. Um, thank you, Father. I don't know why I put out my hand, something just felt to do that. And so there's been some messages writing and there's been a little bit of fear of speaking with you, yeah. And I just wanted to come forward and face that. Listening to Guruji and the beautiful family and Body, it's bringing up a lot of things. A lot of garbage is coming up and I guess there's a little bit of fear of watching that come up, yeah. And the issue with... I relate to a lot of what an ego says, but for myself, it's during the waking state. As soon as the waking state happened, it's... the mind just comes right in. 'Do this, do that,' you... and it's just a little bit overwhelming. And I wanted to expose as well, there's been a lot of grasping at others. I'm grateful to Judith, who's very stern with your teachings, and Keisha as well, who's very harsh medicine she gives, but it's the truth and it's what's needed. And I've never had to do this actually, share much, so I'll be very happy to hear if there's a recording or something. I'd love to hear that.

Ananta

Very beautiful. What Body shared is her lightness. That's really taking in because the mind will take the sun very serious, almost scary, and she'll just know it's like... laugh at it. It just, you know, 'Look at my dog, you know, what's he doing right now?' And she's very light and a joy. It's such a joy. And with Keisha, it's... there's so much love and... but she's very... she knows what's needed. She knows exactly what to say at that moment to just drop it. And beautiful, all the whole satsang family is beautiful. And yeah, hello, Father. Thank you so much. Love you.

Ananta

Very equipment, I feel like. And we're going to end on this note because I have some relatives over for dinner, but it's very important that we isolate the source of all the trouble. Otherwise, the human condition can seem very confusing. There's a body with pain and pleasure. There are emotions which are all over the place; you can have so many different varieties of emotions. I believe the Germans have names for emotions which are not even there in English. So there's so many different names, different types of emotions. Then there's so many events that happen in the world, you know, things that are constantly happening around us. And there's a mind with all the thoughts and all of these things. So the human condition can seem very difficult to manage, can seem very full-on, and we don't know where to start.

Ananta

So to isolate the trouble into just the next thought is it. It's all hell or heaven depends on what you do with your next thought. And don't let a thought convince you that you do not have the power to choose God over the mind. God is not that unkind. He would not force us to experience this mind's separation and not give us the ability to stay in God's light. That is just not possible. No matter what the mind says, it may say, 'Oh, automatic beliefs' and all of those things. It is just not possible. So isolate all that we are concerned with to letting go of the next thought. That's all. That's all. And it is a gift that we can only experience it one thought at a time. As you let go, always be resolved because this is the unborn mind. It is only in your belief, in your identification, that the mind is born truly. Otherwise, it is just a set of sensations. So everything is perfectly dissolved in the other one. Allow yourself to remain in the no-mind. That's all. Then it's not that complicated. The mind will make it all very complicated and difficult and we have to deal with it so much. No. Just one thought. It is our refusal to let that one go that puts us into the misery of having to deal with so much. It is our need to be right and our desire to want something that makes us then stuck in that perspective, which is then constricted in all these ways. That's all.

Seeker

I want to do... and with today, hello. In this case, I want to remind us to sing for Georgie. Or hi, Father. Drive carefully.

Ananta

I am. I will. I promise.

Seeker

No, I just... it came up pretty strongly to say this real quickly. You know, as Sangha, we're all guiding each other home, and some people gravitate towards other people more than others and this and that, and there's no hierarchy of this guidance. You know, I feel like when we speak, it's... we're guiding... I'm guiding myself home. And but there's some times when I feel like I'm not as available or accessible when I feel like I'm not in my heart or in my light, and I'm not as available to guide brothers and sisters home because I don't feel in integrity. So I guess I wanted to ask about that because it felt like that, you know, like that's just a thought. Like if you just do it and you guide yourself home in that moment really, whether you're in the mood or not or in your heart or not, you get there. And I don't know, it's just about this, you know, like we could wait forever until we believe we're fully in our hearts to guide a brother or sister home.

Ananta

So don't go with the belief. The way... just follow your heart about that as well. Like if I was to go with the belief, then satsang today would be impossible because of the state this body was in yesterday. But I woke up this morning, I felt like, 'Oh, this is perfectly fine. I can share today.' So we just have to follow our heart moment to moment, and we have to trust that when it says, 'No, no, right now is not the best time to share,' we can trust that. And when it says 'Yes,' you can trust that as well.

Seeker

Thank you so much, Father. And yes, we can sing Happy Birthday to Georgie Porgie. Do that.

Ananta

What? I have to run. Okay. Okay. Love you.