Try to Create Separation Without Thought - 14th August 2020

Yes, from outside it's coming to you and then you hear it. So where does it come to when it comes to you? Where is that 'you' that it comes to?

I think it comes to my mind and which persists my senses.

I see, I see. So let's slow down a little more also and just don't use anything that you have learnt in the past, like what the mind is, none of that. It's very simple; like for children, this exercise is very, very simple. Right now you're hearing these words. You don't know any concept like brain, mind, none of that. Just from your experience, you have to say: the experience of these words, where is that happening? Does it feel like the experience is happening inside you or outside you?

Inside.

Yes, you see? So this experience of this voice is inside you and you will notice that every experience is that way, you see. Now, there where that experience is being perceived, you see, that is what we are calling the space. Like the thought happens in the same space. If you were to imagine a tree, it will be in the same space, you see. Whatever you perceive, it is within your own potential to experience, isn't it? I'm sorry to use that big word, but within your own potential to be able to have an experience that we call consciousness, within that all of this is being perceived. Okay, we can make it simpler if it's confusing.

Right. A good question comes to my mind now: why do I have to close my eyes to be able to perceive this space?

You don't have to close your eyes. You don't have to close your eyes. Even this—if you see a face in front of you, where is that face being experienced? You may have a sense of distance that, 'Yeah, it is far from me,' because you have defined the boundary of 'me' as this body, you see. But if you don't have that definition for a moment and you just check, where is this face actually being perceived? You see, where is that perception happening?

Okay, so it's in this case...

You see, every experience, everything that you notice, everything that your attention can go to, you will notice that is happening within you. Not within you as a person, not within you as a 'me', but within you as Being. We can call it as consciousness.

That's a great evolution. Everything that happens in me happens in you as well.

Ah, we'll come to that, we'll come to that in a moment. Let's... because this itself is a great revelation and I want you to savor it for a moment before we come to resolving that, you see. Because this itself is so beautiful. You start to notice that all these perceptions, everything that I am able to notice, my attention can go to—is this happening within me? And you don't have to use the label 'me'. You don't have to say 'this is me, this is not me'. You don't have to start labeling things. Just in your pure perception, you will notice. You will notice. And also you can notice what happens, what is the difference when your eyes close and when your eyes open, you see. And your eyes close because of the absence of this seeming external visual stimuli. Sometimes it seems easier to fathom like an inner space, but actually with the opening of the eyes, nothing is happening to your inner space. It is just that there is a lot more content, a lot more stimulus which is showing up for you, but it's happening in the same space actually.

That's true. Yeah, so easy. It's very beautiful.

Yes, okay. So you can see like this now. If you were to create now 'two' within the space, you see... if you had to create... like you were saying... don't worry, is your child there now? The second one? It's okay, it's okay. I have two as well, I have two as well. It's completely fine. So don't worry. So, if you were to create an idea of 'two' now in this one space of Being, in one space of perception, how would you do that? Is it possible to do it without a thought, a label? Just try it. Just try it. Try to create separation or division, you see, without using any thought.

I don't think I can without relating to the forms.

Exactly, exactly. So that is why name and form in Indian spirituality is called Maya. It's called the illusion, you see. So if you don't say, if you don't construct 'me', you cannot construct 'another', you see. So there is nothing organically or naturally in this realm of perception which says that this perception is 'me' and that perception is 'not me'. That is not natural. We have learned to make that distinction, you see. And talking about children, I use this story often, like when I was teaching my son, 'Ah, this is your head.' You see, my son, 'This is your head.' Where is your head? Many times he would point at my head and say, 'No, no, no, wrong. This is my head, that is your head.' So we taught the children like that and we were taught this way, and that's fine because as parents we are teaching them—that's a different role, that's not Satsang, you see. But now we are deconstructing all of that and seeing what is naturally present in what is the manifest aspect of what is, and what is it that we need to have these notional constructs, you see. And you are saying that unless I relate to a particular set of perceptions and say that 'this is me', you see, till then I cannot invent 'another'. You see, I cannot make an invention of another unless I've determined which set of perceptions is 'me'. And this labeling, this making distinctions, is where this separation comes from, you see. Sometimes I say that the ego is a 3D ego. There are three D's in this ego. The first D is Duality. Duality is this 'me' and 'other', you see, 'me' and 'another'. So that is D. Once we make this duality, then what happens is that because we start to take ourselves as a limited construct, we open the door to Desire, which means because I am so limited, I could want something that could make me bigger or more complete or better, you see. So then we say, 'Uh, if I had that, if I had the perfect partner, if I had a million dollars, if I had a very healthy body,' something like that, then I could become bigger, more complete, something like this. And these are very popular notions in the world, isn't it? So that is the start of desire. But if that duality never happened, that you were not discriminating, making no distinctions, then you could not say 'I want this' because already it is showing up in your perceptions as you, you see, in your own Being. So you could not say 'I want' unless you had this, you see, unless you had this distinction of duality. Then what happens is that we say, 'I want this, I am incomplete, I am this limited object. If only I had this, then I would be complete,' you see. And the aversion is another form of desire itself which says, 'Oh, if this would not show up, then it would be better for me.' These kind of ideas can be there. And then what happens is we invent the third D, which is: since I am this limited object and I have a desire or an aversion for something, how do I do it so that I can attain it? So what is the Doership? You see, that's the third D of doership. What do I need to do to attain my desire? You see, and we look at this whole game of spirituality also in the same way. So we go 'me, me, me, me, me. I tried this, it doesn't work for me. It doesn't work for me. It is for me. Only freedom will work for me.' And many are seeking freedom, you see, many are seeking enlightenment within the construct of this 'me'. And this is what we were talking about a few minutes ago, that when the rubber hits the road really, that: are you in this so that you can give this 'me' this gift of freedom, or are you willing to let go of all that this 'make-me' notion stands for? You see, that is the real crunch time. Are you truly willing to let go of distinctions? You see, once you start to see that there is no real reason for making them except to suffer, you see. What gift does this distinction give you? It only gives you the gift of suffering, you see. Otherwise, so beautifully we live our life like beautiful birds, you know, like beautiful children. That's why Jesus said only the children can come to the Kingdom of Heaven. So what is that innocence? What is that innocence? Because children don't make that distinction. They're not looking at separation as a... we've learned how to do this. And once you start to see for yourself that this bodily boundary which I took to be my boundary, and I got into this mistaken belief that my Being is contained in these constructs or these sensations called the body, you see, this is a mistaken belief. Once you start to see that these body sensations, you see, all of these are contained in the same space—my space of perception, my space of Being—then you start to see that to let go of this separation, to let go of this duality, becomes a lot easier. It is... I said, 'So help me God to meet yourself even in this way.' Even in this way, as just the space in which all of this is happening, you see, is a very beautiful revolution. And then very, very simply, very organically, very naturally, you will notice that you are aware even of this Beingness, this ground of perception. You are aware of all of it, you see. And this awareness is beyond even this space, is untouched even by the rising and the dissolution of this space of Being, of perception. And this is already our experience, and that's why we all can say, 'I went to sleep, I woke up,' you see, because in the sleep state even the space of Being, the space of perception, dissolves in its own source, which is the Absolute, which is the Self. But I feel like enough dose for today. Let's not overdo the medicine.

Yeah. I was just... a thought came into my mind that this is why one of the children is not... she has severe intellectual disabilities and she's non-verbal. Sometimes if I'm quiet, I know what's happening in her, in her face.

You will become more and more intuitive. You become more and more intuitive, you see. As you allow yourself to remain as this space, then you'll notice that your reliance is not so much on these mental constructs and notions, but on a deeper guidance, that which we call our intuitive guidance. It's very good. Thank you, thank you, thank you.