To Make Suffering Out of Pain, You Have To Use Your Mind - 1st March 2021

So what you have to do is, uh, let's try it together. See if you can find an emotion and perceive that emotion. Can you find such an emotion?

Yes.

Now see if the label low or bad or, uh, or not, not wanting is inherent in that emotion itself, or does it come from somewhere else?

It's just emotion. It's just emotion, isn't it?

Now the law that it is low or bad and should go, where does that come from?

Sorry, second?

The idea that it is low or down, where does that come from?

Well, is this, is come from, from the reality that I see of my down energy, my down emotion. It comes from, from, from the experience itself.

So, so let's look at that emotion again. Just perceive it and you said it is just emotion. That means it is label-less, it is notion-less. Now if you had to label it as good or bad, what would you have to do?

Man, yeah, okay.

What is the process by which you did that? You see, you say it comes from experience, you see. Now experience means past, isn't it? So how do we bring an experience of the past into the present?

I, I am sorry about the thing because it will be difficult to follow you sometimes. Which will you repeat please?

Yes. So you said that the idea of it being down or low comes from the past, your past experience.

Yes. It's not my past experience, it's my present experience.

Yes, but the idea that it is low is not present in the present experience. Let's try it again. Let's try it again. Go to such an emotion and tell me whether already it is low or high. Again, let me try another way. Let's try another way. So keep your attention on the emotion that you're experiencing. You keep your attention on that. Now if I say to everyone in this room, only the one that is experiencing that emotion at this present moment has won the lottery ticket of freedom forever with me. Spanish, Spanish. So who can help with some translation? You can raise your hand, my dear.

Let's try this. We've never had this on Zoom before, but let's see if this works. Okay, so I was saying, you got the examples of... so let's try again. Now keep your attention on the perception of the emotion that you're feeling. Now if I said to everybody in the room that only those who are experiencing this emotion and they will have a million lifetimes of pure bliss after this video, then is that emotion good or bad?

Now Anton says my case is good, but I don't know if I want to have some, some thousands of years of, uh, good emotions exactly. Anyway, whatever. Let's say the price is whatever you want the most. Pressure is not to feel like this would be the price.

Yes. So the emotion would be good because it would mean that I won't have this emotion anymore, which is a little bigger try. Sorry, it's fine. Whatever we, I'm just pointing out that there isn't, there is a perception, a pure perception, but the judgment about it, no matter what that perception is, nothing that appears has inherent meaning. But it is the mind's job to convince you algo, especially if it means it's a bad thing. And that is what prevents whatever healing has to happen because the, the highest way to heal in this world... Now do you find that these labels have become too strong and you will not be able to give them up just by my pointing them out to you, no?

Well, I'm trying to, to do it since 10 years now.

Yes. So, so yes, so too tough, too tough. Yes or no?

I don't know if it's difficult. The only thing is that I'm having these problems time after time after time during so long time that I don't know anymore, uh, if to believe what the doctor says or if to believe what the pointings of Mooji because no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I know another seems to, to, to, to serve, to serve me to, to be free of myself.

I understand. I completely understand. So, so when, when it becomes very difficult to let go of the labels, the notions which we think are reality, which we think are true, hello, then it has been advised that we try to inquire into the nature of who we are and says because we attach the label, the notion to ourselves, but this ourself we are not so clear about it. So, so this inquiry 'Who am I?' is foreign.

No, again, I can't say who I am.

So this is not bad news. It is not like failing a test. It is actually very good news. Once you admit that I don't really know who I am, then this central protagonist is... and then there is no room or no space to fix the notion. And then without notion you cannot suffer this. You can try, actually try to suffer without any idea.

I understand, but, uh, when I wake up every morning I suffer. I work at suffering and I, I'm not even conscious as a person yet that I'm already suffering.

So what is that suffering when you wake up in the morning? How do you know that you are suffering from...

Um, I wake up and I'm shaking and I have a total feeling of internal emptiness.

So that you see that experience like a great master nasa, you are not experiencing suffering, you are suffering your experiences suffering. And, and I'm not asking you to deny the experience that you are experiencing and possibly you are going through more pain than most of us in this room today because... but even in that case there is still a distinction between pain and suffering. So pain is what your natural experience, if you had to use a simple label you call that pain simply. And, but this pain seems like it is much worse, you see, when we make suffering out of it and to make sorry idea, but to make suffering out of it... so, so my whole attempt here and all the masters what they are trying to do is to try and remove the suffering out of human experience. So you can not have the pain that you experienced this morning, but you can still suffer from the experience of this morning. And the way to do that is to pull out our idea of what is happening to us. Otherwise we become like little children who sometimes suffer from colic pain. What happened to children is like my son used to have colic pain every evening, but he would cry about it only during the time that the pain was there, but he did not have the ability yet to make suffering out of it because he was not judging the experience. My advice to you is that whatever pain you are experiencing because of your condition, whatever best advice, medical advice, whatever best therapy, whatever is available in the world, please do that for the pain that is there. But, but in satsang when as you are discovering your reality, you will find that you will lose the ability to suffer from those experiences against specifically. Is there the experience of some suffering right now establishing?

Yes.

Can you locate it? Can you locate this suffering control repository?

Well, I think the software now is in my mind, in the story that, uh, there's it, it is so many years that I'm suffering for this and, and yeah, really I made a story of... now I'm, I'm not able to, to, to, to be by myself because all this pressure that made me so down I cannot do things by myself. So it's in my mind, of course it's in my mind, but it's, it's, um, how you get out of in your mind? It's not that it's one month that happened, it's too many years. It's 16 years actually, I told you the other day.

But then so good, I'm happy that you said you were able to spot that it is in the mind. Now I am not going to say get rid of your mind for a moment. I'm just going to ask you that is there more to your being than the a...

But I, I don't know what is my being.

So when I said where is this suffering coming from, you said I can see it is in my mind, you see this story.

Yes.

Now besides that story you exist, isn't it?

Yes, but I don't like how I'm existing.

Okay, so, so that statement was that also from the mind or from the rest of your existence?

From all my existence. What I do, what I don't do, what, what I, I actually I don't do nothing and now it's, um, I'm, um, I stay paranoid in me and I feel like I'm paralyzed in my life.

So anything that takes time is the mind. Right now you're just being. Right now, right now, right now. Now it is the, the denial will come from your mind, but even that will take time for what happened is that...

Maybe for me being it's, uh, that Gemma the person is having a life with some activities or something and now I'm paralyzed. I'm doing nothing. I'm just eat, sleep and nothing else. So, uh, this is, this makes, um, by my mind is saying what do I do, what, uh, what, what kind of... I'm not doing nothing for what I do, for what do I exist like this? I don't ex... for what I exist if I, if I'm sleeping, I'm eating and sleeping and eating and nothing else.

So I'm not, I'm not making a joke about your condition, but it sounds like you're sleeping, eating, coming to satsang, you see. So it just sounds like a sadhu life.

So I would like to do at least that, to go to some place and be like a sadhu and stay there and recover my, my, my, my pure being there. Recovering as a, as a discovering in another way, but I'm closing my parents' house.

But you could become the most egotistical person there. It is completely independent of where you are because we don't have to renounce anything in the world. We just have to be grateful to whatever... you are making very good progress. You are making very good progress although your mind is telling you that you are not making any progress. But, um, because you have the ability now that you can spot the story, you can spot the mind which most of humanity does not have. And my blessing is, my feeling is that besides the mind, besides the story, it is my blessing that you discover what else is you besides this is. And it is not difficult, no they facing. So if I...

We just have to be grateful to whatever. You are making very good progress. You are making very good progress, although your mind is telling you that you are not making any progress. But because you have the ability now that you can spot the story, you can spot the mind—which most of humanity does not have—and my blessing is, my feeling is, that besides the mind, besides the story, it is my blessing that you discover what else is you besides this. And it is not difficult, no? They are facing it. So if I ask you, can you stop being now?

Until I just have this sensation when I go to sleep. See, I get my idea, or she can tell me, I just have this sensation when I go to sleep.

What is the sensation?

No, I can't now. That which you can't stop, is it just your mind? Yes, my awareness. Yes, I need a next to me every day. Every day I need a Guruji next to me to reserve this. And sorry, it's not bad.

I can tell you that on the YouTube channel, there are more satsang videos than there are subscribers. Subscribe as much as you want, as much as you want to hear, as much as you want. A master available is available to you almost.

Because my memory is very bad and I don't know now what you said to resume things, pointing to help me in this. This is today, I just went to the psychiatrist and he said, he told me that I have a strong character and I should change that. And it's like, what the hell?

So, both your psychiatrist and your master, let them for the moment work on different aspects of your being, you see. Your psychiatrist can work on your mind and whatever needs to be done over there. My job is to introduce you to that which is beyond the mind, and hopefully one day both will help each other, you see. But for now, don't confuse the two things. Yes, more than anything else, more than anything that I am saying, I just want to again give you all my love, all my blessings, and all my prayers to Guruji that this whatever affliction, whatever condition that you are experiencing as this expression of consciousness in this life, may His grace heal everything that has to be healed. And if you watch some more of the videos, then you will become more familiar with my accent also.

Yes, I'm watching your videos actually, but sometimes some words I don't get. So some words that I don't know in English, probably I don't know in the accent actually. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. Georgina, thank you. I could tell it's very good. Thank you for the Georgina, thank you. Very good.

All right, so we have Aniko here who's been crying at least for the last 45 minutes. Let's see what it's about.

Namaste. Thank you for letting me speak to you. Actually, in this life I met Mooji Baba and then after I met you. I'm sorry. So it's from what I'm hearing is that you met Guruji and then you met his toenail also. It is still meeting and you both bless me. I'm so sweaty. This, I just... okay, I don't know why I get this grace and I'm still so full because I so much love you and trust you. And still a lot of fear in me because I don't want to lose this. Why you had this increase in my life? And I will lose you when I lose Mooji Baba and born again in an analytic creature, doesn't know anything about Ram, depend on everybody else and just growing up and looking for something very hard, doesn't even know what is and just looking in blind and just suffering. And know everything in here for me and I just always find something on my body and the mind make big things, then I can die any minute actually. This is the feeling and I cannot even express how much I feel, I don't know, lucky or blessed to don't know anyone. I just want to stop here or I don't know, just that then don't fully die. When I was a child even, I asked God to take away my existence because I don't want to exist, and this means for me that I don't want this circulation. I'm so sorry because I always step for you and I surrender everything and still these things is always coming back.

So what do you feel like the fear of death is about? Yeah, is it a fear of loss that you will lose everything?

It is more than I will lose the truth and I will come back like a little small, I don't know, you know for me like the baby destiny, what a childish is so much like a little animal or something and anybody can kick on it. You don't know.

But I know. I don't have a decision even now. But who are you now? Who is being now? Is it little? I need to... then next life will come back, you see. Who is that one that knows it now?

Yes, God knows it now. I don't know how he's working. I don't know. I just want to stay away.

We don't know how or we don't need to know, but one thing I'm telling you: that whatever existence is here now is what we call God, you see. What we call God. So it is not that there is a tiny piece of consciousness somewhere who is going to get trapped in a little animal body or somebody will kick in the next life. It's not like that at all. All of this is the will of consciousness, the will of God, and God is playing this game. And because it is a game, it doesn't need to happen a while. It is just a game. It is just... but if you take yourself to something other than your pure, something other than this consciousness, then all of these pure income okay.

But still I am in... I am also in this body. I am also Aniko and Guruji.

The body has a certain dimension, a location. You are located inside the body?

Sorry, I cannot hear you properly now. I don't know why. Could you please repeat?

I said that the body has a certain location. So if you pause for a moment because there's a lot of coming back and then... so I was saying that this idea that I am an object inside the body... firstly, the body is an object which is made up of food, you see. So it can contain only other objects. So when you say that I am also inside the body, you see, that means that you are taking yourself to be a smaller object than the body, you see. If you say that I am the space, you see, then it is not the space which is in the body, but it is the body which is in the space, you see. So that is an important distinction because I don't want you to use this idea that I am inside the body to still identify yourself as the body or a reason to identify yourself as the body. You are as much inside this body as much as you are inside the body of the dream character when you're dreaming, you see.

Now that dream... okay, I'm sorry but I don't know why for a second everything is just gone and I couldn't hear the last sentence.

I said, when the dream gets over, what happens to the dream character? Where does it go?

Sorry, it's just go in the nothing. It's just...

But whose dream was it? Was it the dream character having the dream? Of course not. So this is just like that. The same consciousness is dreaming this waking state, you see, and we also dream next life and has dreamt the previous million lives, but nothing has ever happened to it.

But what about self-realization in this life? Die before you die, so you know even about more so.

Yes, so you discover what you are in this, so that the dream doesn't seem so painful anymore, so full of suffering anymore. It becomes like a lucid dream. You recognize that it's all a dream, you see. Now what has to happen in the next life and whether there will be a next life or not is consciousness has to decide those things. You don't have to worry about it.

But I do. Why would you worry about something that is... I think that yeah, anyway I cannot do anything about it. So again depends like I have added to the everything will happen only by your will. You are the one in charge. What?

So the big reason for everything that we found to give our gift to our intellect, you see. So okay, I'm going to mute you again for a bit because too much echo is coming. So what I'm saying is that what is the constant question? Why do good things happen to bad people? Why do bad things happen to good people? What is the meaning of life? Why am I experiencing this? Who are all these people around me? So our intellect constantly bothering us with these things, you know. So the sages devised a methodology to keep our intellect quiet so we could focus on our self-realization, and that methodology is called karma. So if there is karma, what is karma? Everything is happening, you see. And if you have no intellect, if you are not bothered with your intellect anymore, you don't need to know the reason for it. It's a win-win situation.

I see, I understand what you see. It's just a feeling like it's not give me enough. Because if I read Papaji's history and he just explained how many times he had to come back and he was already a guru, a teacher, and even had to come back again and went to a lot of hard time and met... so it is seems like a story, like a reason, and you want like that or you don't want to go.

I don't want... I just want this be finished.

And what if you change your mind later? This man is always coming up. He's not in my hand either. It's just coming. In the morning I was so happy. Last night I was in so much bliss and I was just laughing and it even was like everything was so beautiful. This morning I came up and I started to find something in my head and I convinced myself maybe I will die tomorrow and all this bliss and everything is just gonna be and I don't know what's gonna happen and yeah. Because yeah, so I'm not that... sorry, sorry, too much echo.

So I'm muted for a moment. Remember one thing: every confusion is only about who you are, you see. Every confusion is only about who you are. Even if it is asking about some other thing, you may feel like this has nothing to do with who I am, but it is only about who you are, you see. So come to this recognition of who you are, then all of these confusions will go away.

But I already... I think what I feel, then sometimes I get a look into this recognition and also I feel even more I just deepening inside in the truth more. This kind of fears and mind stuff is just coming up. Okay, and it's not like a constant thing.

So who are you? Yeah, this is the question. I don't know. That is what is finding. That is, I would say, the only thing worth finding out is that, because everything else depends on that. All other answers depend on who you are. Whether you will come back or not depends on who you are, you see. Whether this is your first lifetime or millionth lifetime depends on who you are, you see. Whether karma works on you or not depends on who you are. So just keep your focus on one question. If you want a question, then it is just this one question: Who am I? You see, if you feel like you don't want any question and you want to leave everything, then surrender everything. This is the path of either self-inquiry or surrender.

I would say thank you very much and but still is a question. Okay, but what if I will never find an answer or the answer will never find me?

You keep coming to satsang, then I give you guarantee you'll find me. Thank you very much. Thank you. I'll send you a contract. Bye. Okay, we have Prince. Om Shiva, Prince. How are you feeling now? How are you feeling? Because I heard about your little accident. I hope you're feeling better now.

Yeah, I'm feeling better yes, but I just need your blessings, Father. My knee is hurting so much, my head is so much hurting and I just listening you're suffering in a YouTube all the time here on the bed. I don't know what I... I just listening professor.

All my love, all my blessings. May Guruji's grace, your body heal everything that has to be healed in super quick time and you have the highest, highest that your heart desires. Who's with you?

I feel yeah, my mom is with me and she is talking with her daughter on the phone. I said, 'Little stop, I am now in the camera.' I feel very proud. Good Guruji, I met you in 2020, the March, the February Ma satsang.

You're suffering in a YouTube all the time here on the bed. I don't know what I... I just listening. Professor, all my love, all my blessings. May Guruji's grace, your body heal everything that has to be healed in super quick time and you have the highest, highest that your heart desires. Who's with you?

I feel yeah, my mom is with me and she is talking with her daughter on the phone. I said, 'Little stop, I am now in the camera.' I feel very proud. Good Guruji, I met you in 2020, the March, the February satsang with Guruji, and all graces with me. I feel like...

Very good, very good, very good. I'm so happy to hear these words. Very happy.

I am also so happy to first time I am coming on the camera with you. I am so shy to put because I don't have any questions especially. I feel the graces every time so I don't have any question. I just was so much shy to come on the camera. But I say what I just... and first time today I built my confidence to come and raise my hand.

You're doing very well. You're doing very well on the camera. Thank you so much and all my love, big hugs to you from all of us. And may your healing continue with Guruji's grace at the best, best, most auspicious speed. And God bless you, God bless your family, all your friends, all your beloved ones. Thank you so... don't be angry with your mom. Jesus, all my Father's grace. Thank you so much, thank you so much. Okay, thank you. We can go to Sam.

Hi. Um, hello. The mind isn't letting in the 'I' thought or the 'me' thought anymore. I'd done 'Who am I?' for a long time and I was good for a while, but then didn't realize that those thoughts were becoming a big, big problem because there was such psychosis and pain. And the felt was in this formlessness and the body and presence and kept going 'Who am I?' but it just became dead. But finally realized on Mooji's past online retreat, they felt power in being in satsang. And I've never actually been in satsang; I've only been watching the videos and there's been sort of a blind spot to come into Zoom satsang because only wanted to go in person, but didn't have the money or the mental state to be able to get to it, and there's nothing around me at all. But should the mind wanted me to come to Zoom satsang, it just wasn't able to overcome the resistances to coming. So I'm coming now. But the 'me', the 'I' thought, it is... there's much more space, just totally dropping it now and just not letting it in the mind at all. So I just wanted to present myself to a master actually in satsang and say I'm the most powerful thing at the moment. The only thing that really means anything right now is not letting in any 'I' or 'me' flip, and everything's working much better.

I'm very happy to meet you. I'm very happy to meet you and thank you for coming up in Zoom satsang. I know the mind can create many barriers and says, 'No, no, I'm going to be only in-person satsang.' So I'm very happy you made it here. Very good, very good. Do you feel like... sorry my dear, it's okay, we can talk some more if you like. Let me see. Do you feel like it is like an effortful state to not allow the mind to come in? Is that how it is feeling at the moment?

Only the 'to me' thought, because it started to be constantly energized like I was saying, 'Please help me to die' because the pain was so bad. And I was then realized I needed to drop that thought and it was totally hidden in the mind. It was a complete slave to the mind and until that satsang when the mind had no more like power to make... it wasn't making the pointing of identity or person to those specific thoughts. It was just thinking, 'I'm not saying I'm not identifying, so why is this happening?' But I was with those specific 'me' and 'I' thoughts.

And now do you feel like you have to push it away or do you feel like it's just naturally coming and going?

Um, there's a... I wouldn't say there's no effort and like there's like a mindfulness a little bit always, but it's very, very easy.

Okay, very good, very good, very good. I'm very happy to hear you and all my love, all my blessings, my dear, and feel free to come up whenever you like. Thank you. Very good. Okay, Niranjan has had his hand up before I came to satsang, so you can come, my dear.

Hello. Oh my dear, hello Father. Good girl. Actually, I was... I was going to say it to you for having water, but you heard that related. Happy birthday, my dear.

It was good, thank you Father. Yeah, it was just a couple of days ago. And how's your father? Huh? How's your father? I mean, he had... that was a long time.

Yeah, my biological father, yes. He lives very close by. Both my mom and dad, they got COVID a few months ago, but thankfully it was mostly asymptomatic. They had very little symptoms and they recovered well, so they're fine.

Because nowadays something like the research says there's something like long COVID syndrome or something. So especially those who had no symptoms or asymptomatic, they feel like, you know, tiredness or some cognitive disturbances or things like that. So maybe I just wanted to ask that.

Thank you for asking. So far, by God's grace, we seem to be doing okay. They're giving the vaccine in your hospital as well?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Healthcare workers, us, we are getting vaccine and it's almost about two doses are done by now. But I have not taken the vaccine because perhaps I am allergic. I have a few allergies to penicillin drugs and all, and I have a history of anaphylaxis once. So these are contraindications to the vaccine. But more than that, maybe I am not much concerned about the scientific evidence, so I don't know, I didn't opt for that vaccine as yet. We had a game that we were about to play last in the last section.

Ah, there was some conversation I remember, but it was reverse classroom, you know, flipped classroom, like you asked and I try to answer because I don't have anything to continue the conversation. That's why.

Oh okay, okay, okay. We'll come to that if there's... sorry I'm postponing again, but we'll come to it with nobody who's new because I'm not worried about you. I'm just happy to... if you're smiling, I know you're fine, so I don't have to worry. But if there's maybe time at the end, maybe we can do something like this. I don't... usually when we used to play the game, it was just to prod a bit, to poke a bit and to see, you know, like that. But I don't feel like I need to do that with you especially at this moment.

Yeah, I completely understand that, Father. So it's no need to worry about postponing. It doesn't matter. I mean, you're doing well. I'm happy to see you happy and I'll just give some attention to those who, you know, yeah, and newer, and then we'll see. Thank you, thank you Father, thank you so much. Okay, I have a question. Traveling somewhere, you said, no?

Yeah, it was great. I enjoyed the solo travel.

So the question was: how important is absolute desirelessness to realize our true nature? So if we desire for good health or maybe financial instability, are we going away from the truth? And how important is absolute detachment and desirelessness, or we can be in the play of life and still realize our nature?

So it's a good question. So sometimes there's no set template. Sometimes our the momentum of our desires pushes us into a momentum of wanting permanent contentment or permanent joy, you see. So it becomes like a culmination of our desires and brings brings us to this point of self-recognition. And there we find that that which we are cannot really hold any desire. There is no such... there's no such feeling there. Sometimes it just happens in a simpler way where some will come just... some may just come out of a simple curiosity or something or just wanting to unravel what is going on, and they come to this recognition of the Self and they find that what they are doesn't really have a desire. You know, sometimes I say, you probably heard this from me before, but the ego is a 3D ego, three dimension, no, 3D. And what are the Ds? The Ds are duality, doership, and desire. So in when we come to our self-recognition, then this 3D ego gets blown up a bit. And when we let go of the 3Ds, then our self-recognition is also simpler. So it is like impossible to say what comes before the other. So if you pull, if you pull the horse, then its tail and its head both will come. So if you find it natural to just let go of your desires, then just let go. If you feel like there's too much desire and you see, then I don't want you to focus so much on 'I want to free myself from lust, I want to free myself from grief, I want to free myself from money.' You see, if it seems like it is difficult to leave it, you focus on discovering what you are and that will take care of that, you see. But if it's easier, if it's lighter, just let it go.

This is really helpful because another thing on this line was that: is absolute unconditioned and unjudgmental vision, pure perception, a consequence of realization or it leads to realization?

Both. The same answer. Does like a simple example could also be that like does calmness of mind lead to peaceful breathing or does peaceful breathing lead to calmness of mind? You see, both, both.

So if on a street you see a 20-year-old driving at 100 kilometer per hour, would you mentally say 'What a fool' or there will be no response, like it will be totally pure perception?

Well, the mind can say what it wants, but what changes and what I call pure perception is that its commentary is not believed or at least not taken seriously. So the mind can play the way it wants, but I don't take its version as the truth. I don't take its representation to be valid. So you should not fight with the mind. So if I see somebody doing somebody think, I should not... 'This is stupid.' So if I'm labeling things, so that it's basically disidentification from labeling process, not the labeling won't stop, or it would stop eventually?

It can stop if it has to, but by thinking about it stopping, it won't stop. So what what needs to happen is that we just let it come and go and then it doesn't matter so much whether it stops or not. And that's when it can stop. When it still matters whether it stops or not, then it doesn't stop.

Yeah, because when the mind gets quiet after a few seconds, 'Now the mind is quiet.' So the moment that commentary comes, this peace is gone.

So well, this you can notice a bit more, you see, because the commentary, if it is coming and going, then it does not really disrupt your peace. It is not in the arising of of that energy construct which we call thoughts that our peace is destructive. When we take its representations to be true, that is when peace is disrupted, you see. And you as consciousness have this power of belief. It is your primal power as consciousness to take your mental constructs to be true or not. So it's just important to abide as awareness.

So this concept of manonasha which Ramana Maharshi said, total death of the mind, so trying to chase it as an object wouldn't work?

That's exactly what I answered. So I said that if you keep saying, 'When will manonasha come?' by thinking about manonasha, it's not going to happen. It's going to run. By letting go of the mana, then nasha or not is not your concern, and that's when manonasha comes.

Understood. Thank you so much. Thank you.

Georgina, your hand is up from that time or you want to say something? Ah, you want to... okay, we'll come to you.

Namaste Father. I have a question that wanders in my head for a long time. It's about Anna. Now Anna doesn't have much intellect or mind, yeah, and we are working hard to to inject concepts and patterns in her brain. Um, can she self-realize?

Yes, yes. This self-realization is the one thing that is universally available to all beings, all beings. In fact, in fact, it may be very easy for her. When there is longing in her heart for this, it may be very easy for her if she is not so deeply inculcated in deep-rooted conditions. But you're... I'm not presenting any template for how you must parent because of that, you see. You just be a regular parent as much as you can and and that longing, that fulfillment of that longing...

Can she self-realize? Yes, yes. This self-realization is the one thing that is universally available to all beings, all beings. In fact, in fact, it may be very easy for her. When there is longing in her heart for this, it may be very easy for her if she is not so deeply inculcated in deep-rooted conditions. But I'm not presenting any template for how you must parent because of that, you see. You just be a regular parent as much as you can, and that longing, that fulfillment of that longing, leave it to consciousness itself, leave it to grace. I don't have this aspiration to be a parent who can preach or teach self-realization. But it happens that many parents will ask me, 'So now that I'm finding myself, how should I make sure my children don't get conditioned and they find it easy?' No, all that can become very convoluted very quickly. So just whatever grace is bringing, whatever feels most natural for you as a parent, just bring up your kids in that way, and then this aspect of it will be taken care of by grace itself. I leave this at your feet. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Hi. I suppose just something I want to bring, and maybe if you have any insights, but I feel like it's already dissolving in its own way. So I've been paying attention to beliefs which seem to cause trouble, and there's one kind of belief in particular which is kind of coming into my awareness more and more. So I'm able to see the different sides to it, and there's a kind of physiology to it. It seems like there's a physiology to it, and it brings a lot of sadness to actually speak about it and to recognize it because it's really like... I'm literally handing it to you. Take your time. Physiology is this... like, you know, they talk about the fight-or-flight response in the body. And so it's like I can actually feel the stress, the effects and the stress that the belief causes in my body, and also the emotional stress or pain that arises. So I know that the fact that I'm aware of it more and more is grace, and you know, you told me so many times just to be aware. But sometimes it feels as though perhaps I could be more proactive, either in the moment when the belief arises, because there's a lot... but there's a fear which comes that tells me that this belief is true. You know, that's what's held it in place. And so I want to ask for some courage to recognize it's not true, it's a belief, and to be able to disconnect from the kind of agitation. Not because there is a part of me that just doesn't want to feel stressed and agitated, but I also noticed when I go into the agitation, it's really hard then to see it as a belief, and my attention goes completely into it.

And I suppose in the past I've told myself that there's some kind of—and this is actually part of the belief—that there's some kind of like honor or something in getting stressed and in rushing around and in laying aside my own well-being. Like, 'Well, this is my satsang,' you know? And I go in this big roller coaster thing, and then that must mean that something good comes out of it. And I'm kind of inching closer to the truth, which I know is completely untrue. What it is, is basically that I don't belong, I don't have a place here, I'm useless. And the only way in which I can survive with that—if that's true—the only way I can survive is by kind of coming up with little things to prove to myself and to prove to other people that, yes, I can kind of have a place here. And then it's like seeking approval and seeking love, and then when that love comes, it's 'Ah,' you know, it all dissolves. And then what's happening now is life keeps bringing these opportunities where that doesn't happen, the opposite happens, and I'm faced with this kind of fear of being useless and needing something to justify my existence outside my own existence, you know?

It's so funny, as you were saying this, I was noticing how all of it is true, but about that belief itself. How it doesn't belong, it is useless, it means nothing, and the only way it survives is by keeping coming up with these small, small things for approval. All of these things are like the belief talking about itself. It is so not true about you, so not true about you, but completely true about itself. This is the nature of the mind. All of this is just purely representative of this belief itself and not at all true about you.

I can feel it in my chest, like this kind of stretch and this...

We can't really say what is the origin of these kind of belief systems, but sadly in the human condition, there are many environments—like school, for instance, sometimes even homes—where these kind of beliefs foster. And it almost becomes like a defense mechanism for us to hold on to this. So that's... I understand when you say it's like kind of an honor system or honor code almost in relation to that. So it sort of becomes then a shield with which we don't open up ourselves because we feel like, 'Oh, they won't accept me anyway' or 'They don't accept me' or 'They don't treat me as one of their own anyway,' you see? So it is a combination of this kind of thing as well as a fear of yourself being fully open.

Yeah. And the thing is, nobody's actually behaving like that anymore. Like in the past, yes, perhaps, but at the moment when I look objectively, nobody is telling me, 'You're useless, you don't belong here.' Actually, everybody's telling the opposite, like there's so much kindness and love around me. Around this guy, my mind, the belief itself is generating the perception, the viewing point. And it feels like there's nothing to reinforce it anymore. Like, I see those thoughts come and there's greater clarity. It's just this physiological level of, you know, my heart starts beating faster, my breathing goes very shallow, and I start to rush, I start to do stupid things now when actually I feel...

Whenever—and all of us do, so nothing special about Ananta feeling it—but whenever we are in a conversation, we do end up experiencing what apparently the other is experiencing as well. So I do feel it as well. But I just want to bless you and congratulate you because this is major, major headway. This is major headway to be able to recognize these things. And I love what you said about being able to objectively look and to see that nobody is actually doing that, you know? And this is just so beautiful what you said in terms of the belief creating that viewpoint. Actually, the belief itself is just a viewpoint. It's inherent in the belief that it presents this perspective. And then what happens is that confirmation bias comes and we're just looking for ways in which we can make our beliefs true. And I'm so happy you said that you were able to keep that bias aside and just look, say, 'But hey, where is it happening?' you see? Where is it happening? And you see that it's the reverse, actually. I'm very happy, I'm very happy to hear you. This is very good. And the physiological part, the bodily part, just you notice it and that is fine. It'll take care of itself, it'll take care of itself. And don't have this idea that you will be healed only when this goes away or something.

No, no, that's not really... that's not really how it's perceived now. In the past, yes, sure, there was this like, 'You know, I just want to get rid of all the pain and have an easy life and that means I've succeeded in spirituality' or whatever. But I've even... I suppose really the point I came to was to recognize that... so like, as an example, it comes up quite a lot at the moment in work. So then I'm thinking to myself, because I notice when it comes and it comes really strongly, if I then go and sit down, it could take me... it could take my body like an hour or two hours in order to come back to a state of calmness. And I know sometimes we say, 'Oh, it doesn't matter what state the body's in because the truth isn't in that state,' but for me that kind of feels like a bit of a bypass because it's been so persistent for so many years.

And yeah, so I can say something about that. And I've clarified this a bit, I've been stressing on this point. Yes, to say that it doesn't matter is kind of a bypass, and to say that it does, it's really important, is also kind of an avoidance, you see? So you make it completely labellessly, you see, is true openness, is true acceptance. So to meet it fully, you see, is how I would meet you. But if I met you in the label of, 'Oh, you're British, you're actually more like Indian actually because you're more like us,' you see, then either of those perspectives is to label something which is so beyond any of those things. In the same way, what is being experienced, to experience it fully, pure, fully open, you see... then to claim to have a version in our minds of what this actually represents is actually an avoidance either way. Because when we say it doesn't matter, it's an avoidance, you're pushing it away. When you say, 'Yes, yes, this really matters,' you see, then we are no longer meeting it fresh for what it is. We are meeting it with all our history of what we think it is, you see? 'Because I've had this for so long and you see this is how it comes,' and that is also an avoidance. It's the same as, in a way, it's the same as saying, 'Yes, I've had so many British friends in the past, this is how the British people are,' you see? So it mixes the meeting with a notion of what it should be or should not be, with an idea of being right or wrong, you see? Whereas the just the pure meeting is just to meet it without any... and you will notice as I'm saying it that to take any position with regards to it, either this way or that way, is kind of hiding from it. That 'this has to go, it really matters and it's really important that it goes' can be a position which is avoiding the pure meeting which can happen just here and now. And to say that it doesn't matter, you see, it's just the body, you see, that is also like an Advaita avoidance.

Yeah. It is in fact the openness to the sensation which seems to like bring great clarity into the whole mechanics of the whole thing from thought to body. In fact, it reveals the clarity of the supreme intelligence which is running all of this.

You see, but that clarity is unrepresentable in any sort of conceptual way, isn't it? So that clarity is already there. It just gets uncovered when our nonsense is out. It just becomes apparent that it's a very, very intelligent consciousness which is responsible for this entire play, and the mechanics of it, the hows and whys of it, become completely apparent to us, but never in a way that we can say, 'Oh, this is actually how' or 'This is actually why,' see? Because it is too broad for it to be expressible in those ways. Just like whatever is in front of your eyes, you could represent it for us in whatever words, as accurate as you may try, you see, but we will never have the true picture of what's in front of you.

And in order to... like if we were to step back and kind of make a concession from that absolute point, maybe that's not needed, but like it has to keep being triggered in order to understand it, doesn't it? Because if it doesn't arise, then there is no visibility, it would remain unconscious. Would you say that?

Actually, I would say—and tell me how we can meet on this one—is that in any moment of pure perception, you see, in any moment of pure perception, everything about the realm of perception is apparent in the heart. There is no... like it is not just in... okay, let's look at it this way. In the moment of pure perception, is it just what is appearing in that moment which is apparent, or everything ever in time and space is apparent? Tell me if I'm just sounding too crazy.

I know, okay, I'm with you, I think. Well, so basically what we're saying is, can you only know the contents of your attention in that moment when we are not judging?

Everything about the realm of perception is apparent in the heart. There is no—it is not just in—okay, let's look at it this way. In the moment of pure perception, is it just what is appearing in that moment which is apparent, or everything ever in time and space is apparent? Tell me if I'm just sounding too crazy. I know, okay, I'm with you.

I think, well, so basically what we're saying is: can you only know the contents of your attention? In that moment when we are not judging the contents of our attention, like you put it, is it only the so-called present content of our attention which is clear and understood in our heart, or all of time and space is clear and understood in the heart? That which is clear is certainly beyond time, but does it leave out that—

Yes, yes, very good. But does it leave out that which is in time in that process? Because this is the crux of what we are saying, you see. So, no, no, and helping that recognition because it's changing. Yes, yes, this is the beauty of it. So in that instant of insight, you see, in that instant of being in the unborn, not only is the source of all of this apparent to us, you see, but also that everything that is ever played in time and space is apparent to us. But when we try to squeeze that into our heads, it seems like, 'But that's not true.' But when we meet it really from that same space without the need to translate it into our heads, then you see. You see that it is not just the unmanifest or that which is beyond time and space which becomes apparent, but also the very play of the unmanifest as the manifest. Every aspect, and I would say everything that has ever happened in time and space, is fully apparent to us. And maybe I've gone too far.

Well, it's interesting that my kind of—is that I automatically default to like perceptual knowing. So it's like, well, how could I know everything that's happened in time and space unless I'm experiencing it like in a linear way? But of course that knowing is not a point in time.

Yes, yes, yes. So, but if I'm relatable, right? Honestly, yes, yes, yes. So this is worth experimenting with because in a way I can say that this is my discovery. It is not that we come to the recognition of our Self, our true nature as the unchanging awareness, and then it is sort of like in opposition to the world or in a sort of lack of understanding of the world. But in fact, it is an introduction to our Self as that supreme intelligence which is the very light, the projector, and the screen of this world. So in my intuition, there is nothing that has been left unraveled. And I'm speaking of your intuition—same one intuition, one being in your heart, in our heart as one heart. There is nothing which is a mystery, you see. But when we try to understand it, it remains forever a mystery. It can never be brought over there to the mind. That seems like focus, focus, of course, because it's just like, 'What are you even saying?' You see, how can you prove it is true? But it becomes so obvious, it becomes just so obvious that the need to prove it in some conceptual way sort of goes away, you see.

So then what happens is that we don't need to go through and unwind every single condition that we have one by one in that way. In fact, that is why the sage could say that all things are perfectly resolved to the non-born, you see. Then it would not be true otherwise, because if it had to be perceptually present in that moment and for us to see through it as a pure perception and therefore you're gone, you're gone, you see. That is not a bad process, it's a helpful process, but I'm saying that in that instant of pure insight, right, the priority of this conundrum is resolved, you see. Unless we want evidence of that resolution in our mind. Whether you call that pure insight, or you call it a satori, or you call it intuitive insight, whatever word you want to use, you see, it is going to leave you, or it is leaving you, empty of any sort of lack of understanding, and yet not filling you with any sort of conceptual understanding. It is getting in touch with your natural intelligence, the same nature which is running this world, running this whole play of all of these beings, millions of organisms and trees and birds and flowers. Where does that intelligence come from? It is your very heart, it is your very being, and it is that very intelligence which is bringing this to your light now, you see.

So whether you call it the Satguru presence or your God nature, your Buddha nature, whatever you like to call it, that is what you are coming to. And in that, all of this is, you know, we are burping out all of these old conditions which need to be thrown out, vomited out. It's taking care of all of this. But when we try to understand that which is beyond the capacity of the mind to understand, then it can seem a bit like stressful or troublesome. So to put it maybe in a simpler way, all that I'm saying is that with full integrity I could say that there's nothing that my heart does not know at this moment, you see. But at the same time, there is nothing that my head really knows, you see. So at one level I know nothing, and at another level everything is mine. Everything is mine. All of this has been my play, my projection happening in my light on my screen, and that where all of this comes from and that very intelligence which drives all of this. And I'm speaking as you, as your divinity. So I'm very happy with the headway you're making and what is being revealed to you in this. And it is happening by the Lord's grace that all the boundaries, all the constrictions, everything is being revealed to you and has been cleaned up. It's been cleaned up. Very good.

And this is my invitation to all of you. All of you need that where everything is revealed in the brightest divine intelligence, divine intuitive presence. You cannot meet it for any sort of ulterior motive or something. You're just introducing yourself to yourself, just empty of all connotations and machinations and tactics. Just so naked, so open, so naked. This is a beautiful grace.

I was reading an autobiography which is such an amazing book about how good it was, and then he gets onto this section where he starts talking about spiritual practice. So he said it reminds me of the man who got on the train and another man came in and sat down opposite him with a big bag. Every sort of 10 or 15 minutes he took a piece of like bread out of his pocket, a little bit of bread, and sort of threw it into the bag and closed the bag. After maybe one or two hours has gone by, this man's completely curious, you know? So he says to the other man, 'Excuse me sir, what's in the bag?' He says, 'Ah, it's a mongoose.' 'A mongoose?' He said, 'Yeah, I experience sort of delirious episodes where I feel that snakes are chasing me, so I keep my mongoose to scare away the snakes.' And the man says, 'Well, surely you realize the snakes aren't real?' 'Oh yeah,' he says, 'but neither is the mongoose.' That's it. I described satsang perfectly. Yeah, so I had a good laugh at that.

What a beautiful one. That's very nice. Can you tell us the other one also, the Irish priest? Some of them haven't heard it. You know, the Irish priest, you were number man. Hey, okay, such a long time. Maybe you can tell it better than me these days. I remember the punchline, I can't remember the—do you know about the new holy water?

Yeah, that's the one. Yeah, yeah. I want you to do it in the accent. You do it now.

Yeah, so this is the story. So Govind and Namba actually went to this church in Ireland and there they met this Irish priest who was a funny guy. He was not one of those serious priests. So this priest tells him, 'Did you know about the new holy water?' No, I'm trying a bit of Irish thing but I can't really get it right. 'So do you know about this new holy water?' And they're like, 'No, no, what new holy water? You don't know about the new holy water? No, no, we don't know. What is this new holy water?' He said, 'It's the same as the old holy water except that now we just boil it so that we boil the hell out of it.' On that punchline, I took like a moment to really just boil the hell out of it. Oh, I messed it up actually. So he said actually that there have been some budget cuts, so what they have to do now is that they can't do it the old way. So they just take some regular water and they boil the hell out of it. I remember actually telling Guruji this one when we were in Rishikesh and he also loved it.

Did he say it in satsang one time? No, smaller group. Okay, so Georgina then Prabhas and somebody played the silence. No, Father, I can't say. Oh, there you go. Thank you for earlier, you did such a fantastic job. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. Just to say that your grace is fully, fully here and just a prayer to just to leave at your feet any remnants of identity with what's not true and any belief in the false, and just to honor this, to stay open and empty and just always one with you. I love you.

Love you too. Thank you. Hello.

Have we—didn't hear you. There was such a strong urge and my heart is beating very fast. What brought me here to you? I don't know, must be God. It's totally mysterious. I just want to say hello and thank you so much and ask for your blessings because it was just the right time in my life to come to you when your satsangs—very hard time last year and up to now. I ask for your blessings for my body also. My skin is freaking out like hell since five months or so and the doctors can't help. I went home here to doctors but they don't find the real thing and I have the feeling it's a big detoxing somehow going on. With your satsang and your help the last weeks, I can totally detach from this physical problem and I feel I'm good, I'm fine. It needs some discipline from my side to just to connect all the time, but it works. I just ask for your blessing that the skin problem and these allergies and also in the eyes and different inflammations and allergies, all kind of stuff on the skin, that it also will heal like my soul is healed with you.

So sweet. I love your report. Very nice, very nice. All my love, all my blessings. May that which is the most auspicious, the highest of the highest, may that unfold with Guruji's grace in your life. I love it so much. Actually, it is true that last year has been quite a strange one for all of us, but I have to say that I met so many of my family members during this time. Like we knew if you were not in satsang like this before this isolation started and Corona started, so it has brought as many gifts. And it is by Guruji's grace God expanded my family to all of you also during this time, for which I'm so grateful.

Okay, do you hear me? Yes, yes. Okay, thank you so much. I'm very grateful for the conversation you had with Adam and it resonated very strong with me. I want to say I've been all over many years very much trying to find my answers by the grace of satsang, to find the answers in myself. Many times I was writing my understanding in the best way I could and it helped me a lot. But still, and at the same time as I've been already talking with you, I feel also some holding, some other attachment to that also. Then lately it's seen as condensing somehow, and I sent you a small condensed thing which somehow surprised me because it was—and so it feels to me it's a bit— I don't know where I am and what it has to be or not to be, but it feels somehow at a good time to address this thing and to put it at your feet as many people—

At the same time, as I've been already talking with you, I feel also some holding, some other attachment to that also. And then lately it's seen as condensing somehow, and I sent you a small condensed thing which somehow surprised me because it was... and so it feels to me it's a bit... I don't know where I am and what it has to be or not to be. But it feels somehow at a good time to address this thing and to put it at your feet, as many people say, because I feel I definitely recognize some attachment in grasping, because it's also a kind of culture I've been brought up in. And so I know the root of that, and so I just want to expose it and to put it in the light. So, may I ask you something about this? What is your relationship with the words that come through you?

What do I feel like? Do I feel like the words that come through me... sometimes I read them on Facebook and sometimes I say, 'This is really good stuff, man. This is pretty good.' Yeah. And sometimes I look at it and say, 'This is rubbish. This is nonsense,' you know? So it's quite light and easy, you know? So it's like that. Would you say it is similar in your case, or how is it? What is the relationship?

It can be quite different. Sometimes I'm surprised and mostly I actually love to find them because actually, in the writing, they come surprisingly. And that's the most part of my so-called attachment to it, because there's a joy in being so surprised. Because I deepened in the writing; I go deeper than I would with my immense thinking or observing or whatever. So that's the main thing. But I don't keep a long time attached to them. Then they are forgotten. But I like to share them with some people, people I love. And that's part of the... likely I share them with me, I share them with others, yeah.

So in the process of writing, does it leave you very open? Does it leave you empty then?

It is very beautiful, actually. I always feel better after doing it because I feel that I'm looking... actually, when I write, I always address it to somebody or to many, and so it helps me to have many points of view, actually. And of course, the point of view of the Master is the biggest one because he is like this; he's just having all the points of view. And so it's a joy, kind of, to go in the traces of the Master slowly, slowly, yeah, just the way I can and whatever I can find in this fishing. I'm happy about it. But then it's over; then the next situation comes another time. But I wanted to expose it because I know very intimately there is some more than joy, still some neediness of recognition in the fact that I share it. And this is not necessary. And at the moment, I feel things are... I feel that I have some feeling that I won't need it for so long anymore. But somehow, so that was the opportunity because it just came now in this time. This thing came to me, I shared with you, I just give it to you.

It's very good. I see no trouble. Some little bit of attachment to the recognition of it, or whether people like it or not, that little bit is natural. It's okay. We don't have to be too hard on ourselves and too difficult. So it's nice, yeah. As long as we're not becoming too attached to, you know, that 'Oh, hundreds of people liked it' or 'Nobody liked it.' Oh no, you've not been swayed by it. Then it's light, a little bit is okay. It's completely fine, yeah. For your own joy and for your own openness, it is very good. If it doesn't become a thing that 'I am going to, you know, teach something' or 'I am going to change somebody' or something like this, which I don't sense anywhere in your case. So it's all good. It's all good. Okay? Just as there is, yeah, just this feeling that grasping becomes less at all. Thank you so much. Thank you so much.

Okay, last hand for the night. Yes, you can come.

Hello. Hi, Father. Hey, I just wanted to come because what happens sometimes, and it's happening during the Satsang, is kind of a few things. There's like a feeling of tiredness, like the body just wants to go to sleep. There's a feeling of restlessness and the feeling of wanting to hit the leave button and leave Satsang. And it seems like there's a difficulty focusing on what you're saying during this Satsang. And I know it's been talked about before, I know Virji's talked about it, but it's like a false sleep and it's like all kinds of avoidance techniques by the mind, you know? So I just wanted to... I've been trying to stretch and I've been, you know, opening the window for fresh air and I've been doing things to try to stay awake. And yeah, so I just wanted to... I just wanted it more just to kind of push through a little and yeah, expose this or something.

So yeah, it's a good idea. It's good you say it like that. So what happens sometimes is I come to a room and then we're sharing Satsang and then I notice just like everybody's a bit, you know, 'Yeah, who's aware of awareness? It's awareness,' you know, like that. So what I noticed myself doing is that I started speaking loudly just to be a little more like, 'Come on guys, you know, pay attention, really good stuff,' like that. So I noticed that something. But usually I'm okay, usually I'm okay with this thing. I'm not so worried about it because if you hear one or two things in Satsang, in any case, most of you will leave with one or two things anyway. That is the nature of how much you can learn, and that much is enough, and it's fine sometimes.

So what I'm saying is that sometimes the remedy can be worse than the affliction. Maybe we can make people guilty or unworthy or, you know, this kind of thing at times. And we must not make the mistake of the Master, like it's like shaking us out of a lethargic mode to make ourselves feel like there's something wrong with us, so 'Why does it always happen to me?' In fact, sometimes we can just say, 'Okay, today I will come to Satsang and I will just see how much I can sleep through.' Just come next time on Friday, you come and you say, 'Okay, today I'm just going to sleep as much as I can.' And then if you sleep through the whole thing, say, 'I'll come on Monday and see if I can do the same thing.' And on the next, let's see how long that goes. You see, sometimes we have to reverse it, flip it a bit.

It's just like when I say, like it was so difficult here when I was seeking this truth to try and come to the Being. So I just like realized after I started sharing that you just flip it and say, 'Can you try and stop being?' It becomes much more apparent. So sometimes you don't allow the mind to use these scare tactics and say, 'But you will go to sleep again and look at this, this is not right.' You say, 'Okay, so today you sleep. Today you sleep as much again, let's see.' Then he'll go away. That propensity will just go away. It is just the mind uses these as scare tactics. Thank you.

Okay. Okay, my sound has got lower during Satsang because my throat is not lower, probably it hadn't anyway for to do. We just... I'm fully aware that we completely reflected the... but it was quite full on with the ones who had their hands up. But I will read through everything during the bhajan and I apologize if there's a question that I missed in the chat. If it is wrong, you can come back on Monday and we can look at it then, okay? Whatever that means.

I want to tell all of you something very important. Very important is related to the first question we had in Satsang today from Helen. I want to tell you that all of you are just like me: the right amount of crazy to be free. The right amount of crazy to be free. We love you, love you all so much. Thank you all so much for being in Satsang today. You.