The Mind, "Madam, Now that you're Enlightened you will....".- 21 July 2015

Okay, so I'll play the mind, huh? And you play you. I play the mind. I will come to you with these concepts; you tell me which one you buy. Yeah? Okay. So I'm coming. Knock, knock. 'Then, madam, today for you, have this concept that after enlightenment there is only peace, and it's a 33 awful.' Are you buying?

No, because that would still be polish if there's only peace.

Okay, so you're not buying one. Fine. 'Madam, then what I have in my Pandora's box here is another one which says that after freedom you will always have perfect body, perfect health.' Everybody, yes or no?

Yes. Then all the sages, everyone, should still be here in that body. Yeah, everyone should actually. When I feel like this, I say this body will forever be here. And like this, what I really want that now, just this, my ability as consciousness will be limited to only experiencing through this body? I would not want that for eternity.

I want you to sell some more. I have lots in the Pandora's box. Okay. 'Madam, now that you're enlightened, you need to start sharing.' No? You need to start now. Not buy? Okay. Another one, similar one is: 'Madam, now that you have enlightenment, you know better than everyone about everything.' Yes? So the spaceship in orbit is not working; we'll call you, the enlightened one will know exactly how to fix it. Oh my god, it's getting some trouble. We will tell you, we will ask you, we will call the trash. Oh, the Venusian will help you fix the doll. Let me tell you another one. 'Madam, now that you're enlightened, something really happened to you.' Yes? This is a tricky one. You see, this is a tricky one. So what happened? There is an answer which I'll accept, actually. Fundamentally nothing happened, you see? Fundamentally nothing happened. But at the level of beingness, which was giving so much belief to the identity, that belief now seems ridiculous. What happened is that you see that you can't be anything that is hearing. 'Madam, now that you're enlightened, you're so special.'

Yes, it's stupid because at the same time I see that all of these things are not true.

But still, we're just checking what you're buying. It is checking what you're buying. The last one, last, last. This is my mega super deal. Super! Okay. 'Madam, there is a you over there which is enlightened. Yes, you'll be so amazingly special. First super, super special. All for free, free, free. Unlimited amount of misery. Unlimited amount of misery you can get for free from any of these anytime you want.' No? I'm there. I'm there waiting for you to look at me. Do you feel like there is the power here not to buy now? Temporarily, you this video using it's very good. They report this video also. This mega many can feel, 'Oh, look at her, she just came to three satsangs and hang out, boom bam, boom bam, whisk sure.' What I always say is that the mind can still come back and say, 'Madam, can you this one please?' If you buy any of them again, it seems like, 'Oh, it's such a conflict because I know I'm awake, but I know also there is so much of this special and so much of this something trying to come inside.' And that is why, if you remember, I said you keep coming to satsang irrespective of whether you feel that you know now it is just phenomenal, it's not required any of that, you see? This is how the mind comes. And so now it will tell you, it will tell you now, 'See, see now what happened, madam? You lost the awakening.' Now you buy? Yes? Don't buy this. What you are has not changed. Even if you pick up identity, any identity does not change what you are. Isn't any experience, any experience, it's just another experience? It is coming and going, but it doesn't mean that what you discover is not what you will discover in this instant if you were to just check. See, that cannot change. Oh, that's why the discovery itself is that I have always been this. Even if I buy everything from the mind, I am completely identified, even if all of this happens, I am unchanged, honeymoon eternal. Just that I have bought all these concepts and now they mean nothing to me. And you know the beauty of life is that whatever we pick up, it whacks it out of us. Getting bad grades or beautiful. That's why they say, isn't it also that, 'Oh, you feel you're enlightened? Go spend a weekend with your family.' Anytime you pick up the identity of the enlightened person, you open the door to misery because you see all that I was telling you, the premise was 'now that you are enlightened.' But you are not enlightened. You just never was that. It never was. Cannot become enlightened. And the one that was always free continues to be free. No enlightenment has ever been personal. And you pick up this concept of enlightened person, then so much trouble, you see? So much burden of expectation also. Oh, everybody will look at me, only expecting scripture to come out of my mouth. Forget about enlightenment. It feels like it has to happen that way, that you pick up all of these concepts again. And then, and now you see that there is nobody here to be enlightened. And then the salesman comes and says, 'Now that you are enlightened...' You see? Who? What? Enlightened? But these things will continue to come up. Yes. And the mind does not go away. It's just that you stop buying from it. And when you stop buying from it, when you feel like it doesn't have a meaningful offer for me, a meaningful deal for me, then you will not hear the knocking also so much. It will not seem so loud. It's like when we were children—I don't know if it's there in most countries—but like this, children, the ice cream guys have these bells. Ringing these bells. And then your children, we really hear them. And as it loses more and more meaning for us, then as we grow older, we don't hear it as much. So my kids will hear or see something, but we won't hear someone. Just like this, the mind, the ringing of the bell of the mind will lose meaning for you.

You something, something just wants to say that, but this, this enlightening deal is just such a bad, you know, it is...

I agree, because it's not a deal at all. Tonight, as a concept, it's a terrible idea. And yet, and yet, when you come to your discovery, as you are coming to your discovery, you will not want to confuse yourself as a person again. No one does. This is so. Although we can see it is a terrible deal, but only conceptually. Discovery happened, then you will not want to just be identified with your label, imaginary person, again. Yes. But all the marketing tools that you will have superpowers and you will have internal health and only peace, peace, peace... just this marketing, which is it's so silly.

Because I started seeing people having superpowers and being able to walk through walls and all that kind of stuff after that happened. And and I was watching them, I already was thinking I'm not going to buy into this, but then...

Then you should have put on the video when you try to walk through the wall. I'd love to watch that! Me too! Do it with full intention. And how does it help? If you were to walk through a wall, how will it help really? It would be at ten places at one time. You feel, 'Wow, what a superpower.' But you can't even handle a present reality; you want to handle telegrams? I know it's so stupid, and still these thoughts are going on, like what to do now. It's just maybe this video could be called 'Least Enlightened Person Ever.'

Least enlightened person. Actually, the minute you say person, then we don't need to say yes, enlightened. There is no such thing as a most enlightened, only a single enlightened person, or most epic mistakes after an awakening experience. And that would be a walking, trying to walk through the wall video. I know, it's so funny. So what to do now? Don't pick up this one. Which one? We're asking. I give you three, four different options. I'm in a good mood today, so I'm handing out tips. First option, simplest option: just keep coming to satsang. Second option: inquire into anytime this doership comes, the sense of doership comes. Ask yourself, 'Who? Who is this that wants to know? Who wants to do something?' Third option: say everything is this a girl's problem or box problem?

I've been trying to do the second one, like 'who is this?' and 'who is that?' But then it just it seems to perpetuate because who is asking that? And then I get confused.

No, I don't believe you. Let's do together. Ask the who. Who is asking what to do? I don't know what is here now also. Don't know. Are you here or no?

Yes.

This one that is here, with that, it's just here. Not as this or that, just here. Now, this one that is just here, does it want to know anything about what to do?

No.

But then who wants to know what to do? Just a non-existent, the imaginary one. And we don't have to listen to this one. Is the feeling that once I discovered that I am not that, also its voice should go away? Is that what it is? It doesn't happen like that. The voice still remains, you see? It still tries to push your buttons, still tries to get your belief. But I can't believe you when you say, 'When I inquire into it, I get confused.' This is another thought, you see? It says, 'But this is just iterative, just goes round and round.' It's just the mind is painting these tools for you, with you, for you. Like I was sharing with the class, the inquiry should be so simple. Check: who is here now? Does the one who wants to know what to do, that one exist at all? Just quickly, quickly. When you inquire like this, you'll see no, it doesn't. It's just this voice.

So I guess I'm trying not to listen, but then not listening is also believing what it's saying.

You can give it attention. Attention is also okay. Don't push it aside. Don't say, 'Voice should not come.' But everything come and go. You stay open. We are trying to solve it, you see? The problem is you are trying to solve something. It cannot be solved; it has to only be dropped. So then the question can come, if you want to contemplate as good. So if the question comes, 'So who is it that gives belief or not?' This is the beautiful contemplation. Then you see that even being is here, presence is here, then the powers of attention and belief are there. And it must be this being, this consciousness, this God, which is using these powers for phenomenal experiencing, for the phenomenal. So at the same time, all of these weird-looking, all of these concepts are being believed, and it's just another part of the play. And um, somewhere, somewhere, all of the concepts being believed and the headache and all of that stuff is also just... yeah. Seeing this is very good. Oh, so let me clarify this one more time. So we can speak from three different perspectives. You can speak as awareness: untouched, unmoved, eternal. Doesn't matter what is happening phenomenally. All phenomena is arising out of awareness itself, yet it remains untouched by any of this. Even our identification as person, it is untouched. See? So even coming to satsang, not coming, suffering, not suffering, resisting, open—all of this does not matter.

All of that stuff is also just... yeah, seeing this is very good. Oh, so let me clarify this one more time so we can speak from three different perspectives. You can speak as awareness: untouched, unmoved, eternal. It doesn't matter what is happening phenomenally; all phenomena is arising out of awareness itself, yet it remains untouched by any of this. Even our identification as a person, it is untouched, see? So even coming to satsang, not coming, suffering, not suffering, resisting, open—all of this does not matter for awareness. So when we become truly Advaita, then we can speak from this perspective. This is the ultimate level from which the perspective can be taken.

Then, from the perspective of beingness, that which is present in the waking state. So this beingness is present, and then you say with beingness there is the power of belief, there was a power of conceptual pretending which leads to personal identification. So that is why Guruji says that this is rehab for God Himself. God Himself has picked up these beliefs and God Himself is leading them through this process of satsang itself. So when we speak as being, then we can say, 'Yes, I picked up some identity and now I am leaving them and coming to this unassociated being.' So usually in satsang, we are speaking as being, consciousness speaking to itself.

And the third perspective we can take is: 'I am a person. This is my life. How do I control it? I want to get a better job,' all the romantic stuff. Then we pick on the personal hat. So beingness has the power to pretend, and therefore most of the world is pretending to be a person and going about their lives in this personal fashion. And how does this pretend person come into play? When we believe our thoughts. When we believe our thought, this pretend person comes into play. Still, from the level of awareness, nothing has happened. So those who can be at that perspective, then they'll see that nothing is happening to you. And those who have the personal hat on at that point of time would be like slapping that life: 'What do you mean nothing is happening? All of this is happening! I am suffering so much and you're saying nothing is happening?' See, it's all level confusion, and most of the variants, most of the arguments, are about this level confusion.

So, 'what to do' is again now a question which can get a little confusing because it can be asked as a person: 'So what do I do next?' Or it can come with the perspective of being itself. So if it is coming from consciousness itself, then consciousness itself is answering: just don't give your belief to any of this identity by not believing your next thought. It's as simple as that also, in a way. Somehow, again, yep, so this sense of habit of associating, this seems to get lighter and lighter. What would you call the thinning out? But I say it starts from the now, because in the now there is never identification. It is always a projection from the past or into the future. Now is always the clean slate, you see? So if now is a clean slate, then don't worry about the past or worry about the future. Just don't buy anything from this salesman now. What else besides this? And seeing of yourself, this self-discovery is the most sober experience, really. So all our concepts of something special, something unique, something... all this will get burned down, you see? That's it.

It's a bit... I guess that the hopes were different, like expectations. But I guess it has to happen also, that these expectations are the things that maybe lure you into even going to satsang.

So that's why I said it's the marketing, you see? But what you will find, what you will find as an unassociated being, you will lose the ability to resist. You will lose the ability to suffer. Best gift! If being remains unassociated, then you will find that suffering is an alien concept. Some pain will come momentarily, obviously; some pain will be tasted from time to time, but you will not make suffering out of it because nothing remains personal. Any moment now, the only suffering which remains for many of us is this spiritual suffering, suffering about spirituality itself. That means that there is a spiritual identity which also will get cleaned up now, and no spiritual concepts will also make us suffer. The world's worst form of country in this universe is the suffering of the spiritually good, yeah. Because now it is so terrible that, 'No, you've lost it,' and this is so embarrassing. Well, no, see, if you lost, what did you lose? Nothing, nothing, my dear. You just saw clearly, and you were still seeing clearly. There's an idea that was believed that 'I am now something special,' which is now being dropped. That's all.

And it's very good it is happening like this in super quick time. Otherwise, many times it can happen that you can have an awakening experience or something and I don't see you in satsang after. But I appreciate this much more. I appreciate this much more than if you came and you wanted to be all Advaita about everything. A man like you in the world, we would have trouble, you see? Then we would have trouble communicating. But because you still have integrity in your heart, you still have honesty in your heart, you said very openly, 'Yes, I'm still buying this. Yes, I am not buying this. I'm still buying this.' This is very good. Because if the spiritual ego is so strong, it will not even say yes, it will say no. You say, 'No, no, you can't understand what I am going through now. I'm having special something.' It's very good. This integrity will really help you now. I'm really very special, very, very, very special. It just keeps going on like that. If you take anything personally, then it will go on like that. Anything you take personally will go on.

I don't know what to do or say anymore, or whether I should laugh or cry. I don't know anything anymore.

This is very good. This is very good because this is the ego running out of moves. And you will... this is the, as Guruji says, this is the handing over of power. It seemed like it was the first person that was running the life; now the handing over is happening. And in the process of the handing over, it feels like, 'I don't know. I have no interest. I don't know what to do. Is something happening to me or not? I lost all my goals. Even enlightenment,' he says, 'is not real.' So what to do? Everything is gone. You can see it like this, but as you stay, you will find that this presence, presence, presence is doing everything. Presence is experiencing everything. It is doing everything. If the ego is showing some tantrums while it's being resolved, then remember what I said: the ego is a drama queen, and if you give it importance, it will create so much more drama for you. Yes, forget about it. Can you let it be my problem?

Oh no, this is the question. It still feels like I should fix this problem.

The trouble is this 'I' cannot fix it. Then can you trust the grace which got you here to take care of the next steps also?

Well, I want to... I want to share something I observed yesterday is that, um, so I wanted to make tea. And then the urge arose to get up and to make tea, and I already know which one. And then the mind comes in, 'Oh, I want to make tea, and maybe I should get this one.' So it seems like that the voice comes in to claim that you're going to do that when it's already known that it's just...

We'll pretend as if... no, something... it will pretend as if you're following direction from this voice. Doesn't matter.

I just don't know anything anymore. I already didn't know so much, so it's just less and less.

I was reading something very beautiful by Adyashanti yesterday, and he said that ten years ago I started teaching. He said ten years ago I started teaching, and I can truly say that after ten years today, I know a lot less than what I did then. Very beautiful.

It just seems like that this ghost appears that's going to claim whatever God is doing or something like that.

This is just... but even that is God's play. It's just, yeah, there is nothing you can do about it. The one that is struggling with it doesn't exist. Okay? What did you want to fix? This one? Which one, though? I was trying to fix something. You want to fix that one? Can you say it out loud? Then you realize how crazy it sounds, isn't it? That's right. Very good to come to satsang and expose these things. When you say it out loud, what is the hat? Yeah, it's just like a car that can't fix itself. Yeah, also because it doesn't exist. All you have is the voice. All you have is its voice as evidence of its existence. And we follow this voice around for so long, and now we are dropping it. It's so crazy if you look at it. We feel like this energetic stream of thoughts, this is my voice. Doesn't it sound completely crazy? An energetic stream of thoughts which is growing, that is my voice, so I must listen to that. Hmm? If it is your voice, why would it be running around like this waiting for your belief and attention? It's just the wrong number. Just put it down.

Yeah, that's true. If it was really true, then why would it try so much to make you believe it's true?

Yes, this is very good. That which is true needs no belief. It is only the false which needs belief. That's why I never say, 'Believe me.' If you just give belief to some new concepts, then I'm making a whiteout Advaita out of you. I'm not bringing you to reality. You must not believe me. You must try for yourselves. Check within and see if it correlates what is being said. I am not giving you a new set of beliefs. A new set of beliefs is a new religion. You don't want to create a new religion. Thank you so much. Thank you, my dear. I very much enjoy this conversation which comes from integrity, because sometimes your specialness or something having happened to me can be so strong that there is so much fear to come and expose in satsang that there is still belief in Maya. Very good.