That Which Is Ever Present Prior to Time - 29th March 2018
Saar (Essence)
Ananta emphasizes that self-realization involves both the sudden recognition of one's timeless reality and the gradual letting go of conditioned identity. He guides seekers to see that all suffering and duality exist only within the play of consciousness.
You are not an object in this world; at best, the world is an object in you.
The best gift you can give the world is your own freedom from the oppressive mind.
Right now, you are in clear awareness. The journey only belongs to the outer play of time.
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Transcript
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Welcome everyone. Gurudev Sri Mooji Baba Ki Jai. We can take a moment to send our love and blessings to him. So, then now we have a seeker who says: 'Father, I have two questions. First, on self-realization: Is it a gradual process of being established in the Self? Does Father find it easy to be always as the real Self, free from identification? Secondly, we see people in the world undergoing severe suffering, living in difficult circumstances. How does Consciousness allow extreme suffering in the play and make it a nightmare?'
So, the first question is: What is self-realization? What is liberation? For the long answer, there are two aspects to that which we call self-realization. The first aspect is the recognition of what is true about you, the recognition of the truth of your reality, of the Self. Self-realization. So, the question is: What is it that I truly am? All this inquiry, all that we go through in satsang every day, is so that you can come to this seeing of that which is beyond an experience, that which is for yourself, never touched by any appearance, yet it is the source of all appearances. It can never be affected. It is your reality, which is beyond all the states—waking, dreaming—that which is witnessing all that comes and goes, but it itself is not that. It is ever-present prior to time. It never had a start, and it will never end. You can never say it is not, but everything else we can say it is not, because everything else comes and goes, but it is not so.
All of these aspects which we speak of in satsang, and that which is discovered by the grace of the Satguru, this Self—this aspect is called the recognition of the Self. And it can happen sometimes in a way suddenly, like, 'Oh, I cannot find this "me," but this is what I am.' Or it can be a steady discovery. This is the first part. The first part makes it easier. The second part is the letting go of the old conditioning, letting go of ideas of ourselves. Why I make this distinction is because many times you could have a clear moment of awakening, of self-recognition, and yet even that adds to your conditioning. Even that can become part of our conditioning where some specialness will come, or some feeling of having to hold on to it can come. That is why it is also important to allow all these notions to come and go.
The ability—one is clear about the reality, one is clear about who they really are—and this wearing off of limitation, this wearing off of identity, I call the gradual process of being established in the Self. Very subtle. The first part, the recognition, can seem like it is sudden or something could seem like it is natural. But usually, the letting go of the old conditioning seems to take some time in this way. But what is important is to see that the dropping of the conditioning also has to happen now. So, we can say certain things which are temporal, which are based on our experience of seeing such things, but when I say it to you, I have to say that we can only drop it now, or that it is already gone now. Right now, you are in clear awareness. Yet, in your world, in the play of the coconut, which is the outer representation of life, it might seem like there was a journey toward your finding about yourself. That which is outside of time, the gradual process or the outward process, belongs to this—the outer realm—not to your reality.
Does Father find it easy to always be as the real Self, free from identification? There are two clarifications here. So, when all of you say 'Father,' this Father is not this body. This Father is this Guru presence which reveals what you are. This one communicating is all referring to that same holy presence; it is not referring to a particular body. This Father is always free. I can say because I feel like that is what is. But your question is mostly asking what this voice is saying to be. You are just allowing it to be. There can be moments once in a while where momentarily it can seem like what the mind is saying has some meaning, but this momentariness goes as time is going along.
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Now, I have to say this honestly, I do, because otherwise what can happen is you can have a sense of a hundred percent idea. There is nobody, nobody who has appeared in this level of the world, who is complete hundred percent, because the design of this Self is so awesome, so immersive, that everyone who has come here—be it Krishna or Ram or Jesus—they only had a few moments here and there where direct identification seemed to be. But to see, then I will look back at the life of this one. I look back at it with some amazement, some things about how it was. The time where this life was seemingly led, you see, in the operation of the mind, and it seemed like an individual life, driven by desire and doership. Now it seems like a different life by the grace of my Master. This operation now hardly ever rears its head. It's not about hundred percent, but you will find that life becomes more and more full of ease and comfort, no matter what the external seeming circumstances might be, because the oppression of the mind is reduced to such an extent. We start to see that all things are just the grace of the Master himself.
Second is the people in the world undergoing severe suffering, living in difficult circumstances. How does Consciousness allow extreme suffering in the play to make it a nightmare? Many have asked over these years: 'Why is this like this? Why do bad things happen to good people? Why does this happen in Consciousness?' So, this 'why' is based on an idea of limitation. Sometimes this answer, at a particular stage, might seem like it is transformational, or it's just not there as a meaning, and that is fine. But this is the way I have to speak it at the moment: that once you clarify what you really are, who you really are, then you will see that in this realm of appearances, all the contrasts are always available about everything. This is the realm of duality. Just like the realm of duality in the opposites come, you see here, once you clarify your true position, then the opposites will not affect you.
You would see this like we will see a movie in which there are all the opposites. In fact, if only one side was there, it would be very terrible. Imagine a movie that is completely oppressive from the start, and it would not be very liked. Or it's completely happy-happy; in fact, then it would not be very immersive. That itself shows us that there is something in Consciousness which wants to get so caught up. And it was the same for our life as well. You want to experience the opposites. You don't want to eat sweet-sweet; you want to change the taste. You don't always want to hear the same music; you want some variety, you want some change in colors. And it is the contrast which makes it very sweet sometimes.
The second aspect of it is that even if we do consider that this world is suffering in this way and it is unfair, the best gift you can give to this world—if you suppose that this world is unfair and it should not happen—then even from this limited perspective, what is the best gift that you can give to this world? It is your own freedom. It is the best gift to add your freedom from this oppressive mind, to be a light, a holy presence uncontaminated by egoic thoughts in the world. So, all the sages, irrespective of whether their expression was this way or that way, have given the world satsang. Here is your opportunity to give yourself and the world this gift of your holy presence. And besides, this life, as you become free of your suffering, if you become free of your suffering, you give light to others to become free of theirs.
These days, when I close my eyes, there is a stream of grace and compassion that is always there with no effort. A point at which the possibility of the mind going to good or bad is seen. This stream of grace and compassion that is always there, so simple, with no effort. The point at which the possibility of the mind going to good or bad is seen, it is a stream of grace and compassion that is always here. At that point where the possibility of the mind going to good or bad—the mind will always imagine, always make an interpretation. The mind will always go to these; it will always go to the opposite ends of the spectrum, always make an interpretation of these, make a judgment. The mind can go wherever it likes; you don't have to go with the mind. This is what is very important. As you see that everything is grace, everything is the Master's grace, Guru Kripa Kevalam, then that's always fine. It's a perfectly fine thing, like keeping that background music. But just because a child is throwing a tantrum doesn't mean that you have to accept all his desires.
So, the mind is like this tantrum, throwing the desire that this is the way that things should be, which is always in opposition to what is. I was saying already: What is, is grace. The mind wants to come and ride on top of that, also make it better. 'God, what is, is good, but can I have some cherry with that? Can I have some fries with that? Or oh no, that part is not good.' You make this recipe of the universe and think it would be more just to have this much salt on it or this much sugar, and then it will be perfect. I like this metaphorical idea of a chef who's prepared this life as a dish for itself to taste, but within that, you've also made this big judge who is always saying, 'Oh, there's too much salt, there's too much sugar.' And we have a tendency to always be opposing what is. Because when they become that way, then again it starts poking from over there. You see how many times this has happened like this? They say, 'We need this one relationship, it is promised.' And that relationship comes, they think, 'Well, finally I have that.' And then soon after, 'Oh, thank you God, but she's a bit this way. Can you change this about her? Or change this about him?' Like this, with anything in life—be it money, be it relationship, be it the body.
It is very obvious that we want many times even what the mind has been asking for, but how long has it remained satisfied with that? We come to satsang. This is a very valid point. We come to satsang to find ourselves, to find God, to find this food, refreshments, whatever terminology you might have. You come into satsang, and I am showing all of you God every day. All of you see God every day. But that same tendency, this resistance, where does this same thing happen? The part in you which says, 'No, no, no, but this can't be it. I was expecting more drums or more fireworks.' Somebody was saying, 'And now that I have this, by the way, also take care of the money situation, take care of basically an idea that I have about how the world should be.' So, what is here now? You say very good to me that I see all this play. If all this play also includes that which sees it, also include that which sees it. I've always said, don't get caught up in only what is seen. So, that which sees it, also include that as the oneness, as one great Atma, that which is seen and that which sees, both are oneself. Let the mind also be included in that. But being included in that does not mean that you have to be the same with it, to the extent of allowing every thought to come and move on. Only belief—don't give it. Nobody can hold on to a belief in the mind. It's only when you consider yourself an individual entity, then it can seem like it's a task or some work.
Oh, this being that is not here. You want any concept of forcing a thought that will be? And who is searching for being? Being itself is in search by being itself. But then, is it possible to communicate with the ones who passed away? Well, nobody will ever really come or pass away. Nobody has ever really come or passed away. They are always expressions of the same being. Appearances are always a projection of the one being. It might seem like they were born, and it does.
If you take yourself to be an entity, then it can seem like it's a task or some effort. Oh, this being that is not here, you want any concept of forcing to occur that will be. And who isn't searching for being itself is instruction by being itself. But is it possible to communicate with the ones who passed away? Well, nobody will ever really come or passed away. Nobody has ever really come. They're always in expressions of the same being. Appearances are always a dilution of the one being. It might seem like the world was, and it does, it did. Something actually happened? Never. It never did. As you communicate now, your heart and higher consciousness is here, faster than any man can imagine, beyond time and space. All these things and the perceptions are racing to make you are beyond time and space. But those and death within families, you are beyond it of this. It just benefits of your own being, hearing the games on the couch here, the possible reading. This concept of separation itself is all. See that all the time.
Even though the phenomenal science like physics, they come into the same conclusions that they same talk about. See that quantum entangled, where two objects could be to each other either way and each other, and we start to share some property. Then in a clear mental set of this and them, two opposites and ends of the universe, but we change one property in one of those, automatically in that very that other one also changes. Where they put a freaking light itself, which was the fastest beacon, light itself many, many, many years to get there. So it shows that at the substratum of this phenomenal universe is one being which is beyond time and space. All that is ever happened is in this me. All that will never happen, all the universes which you will take, everything that's here, basically the me with your true insight about what you are. Then allow all these finer insights to come to you organically, because otherwise I see I can share like this and some of you might create some concepts about it and start getting on some diversionary facts or trying to become mediums or something like that. That is not all the time being. All is possible for that we see all as a reason labeling.
It's so beautiful. Sir, I was hearing yesterday about someone that it takes less than a moment to leave this universe of dimensions. It can seem like we're so part of it, which can seem like the mind can say, 'What? You're asking a moment?' And first I was saying that I guess I'm at home and a photo ID is this. Well, your presence is beyond any space. It's not a physical there is your existence. It is so clear for you now is not in this universe. And then I said actually, even with eyes open, that is from physics here, their existence are just here. But this here is not here in space or time. That's why you can always see it. That is why you can always see it, that your existence is always here. You always say with unlike other objects and tiny spheres which are always coming and going, you can never, never say that existence. All these is, because it itself is the father of dimensions which is the mother of time. Without you, the universe is. You are discovering the source of all of this. It moves selfishness. It is covering the source of all of this. What are the benefits that come into this force can give you? But is for the truth itself at this foot is revealing itself in all these figure sitting insights about this world.
First, don't try to make a very clear concept. It will be worth losing your mind about the new movies, the beyond the mind. They pick a will to them and English virtual network and moodiness kinematics. Only concepts out of any of these. Just remain with your tuition times. All that has to reveal itself. My point about saying all of this is what's cool, not so much to give you any ideas on each of the dogs in. See if this can savor your own self of reality. Forgive you seem to get caught up in announcing know who we are and what this world is and what dimensions and what species. So when I share these ideas with you from my insights, it is physics of our version of the universe and our place in it. One of the commonest consumer said we have is that I am an object in this universe. But I like to take this one off of it quite often, and I know many of you struggle with this many times. And as he, you are not an object in this world. At best, the world is an object in you. Something in this is the mind, this cannot. And so it will go deeper quietness. But this is just obvious. They'll say these things people and all that in your equals inside this wall ready you can be able take you for the divine and we start to lose our reliance on this instant.
What happened with the breath of the body dies? What happens in the boy breaths when we go to sleep at night? We then everything glows hair within phenomenon go to find that which is independent of Krypton he Donna or its existence. This light pours primal life energy. Seems like all likely dependent on it, but you are beyond that. You are that from which this comes. Who has given me Sapideh granite was given power who life force you are then this life? Who decided that gravity should have this constant? You live, but not personally. Where did life come from? Where is it coming from now? Not from you as body, not from you as mind, from you as Self. That's why I do not speak it very often. First rate Bhagwan said something Reggie's, he said, 'What is the light in which you see the Sun?' Even better, the light in which the light of the Sun exists. It is your very existence. I am. I know we are saying unfathomable means, but unfathomable me to the mind. The real you notice is this normal audit of your own self.
As I wasn't saying that the mind actually has just one tree, the convinced God that it is of course. And in this design and by God itself for now good stuff. And you know what the best news is? That even if you don't go by foreign partner, there is no escaping it. Do I know what some of you are doing? And you hear something right or now or meow, then they remember the mean is picked up again. Something comes out, then it becomes more me now, saying 'I should not have done that.' See? And to just hit with partner how it related that is more ammonia on this. So that will I have to keep reminding you: it is okay. Whatever has happened is okay now. It is morning. Why do I do that? Whether it will be who stood off this and I keep doing it, must be lost and I will come to the stability of this is more than money because you're hearing me and here's the first part is important but more but therefore wouldn't happen it's fine. We have not lost any time. Pamela toric for you the proof is idea that I was on my time, I've been at this for so long. Sorry, there is no reason to beat yourself up about anything or feel proud.
The warden just sumptuous truth hidden in plain sight, which is why it has seams over it because the fine and yet it can seem like can't be. This is all we can hear but now. And I'm very happy used because these days when I say what now God is here, but I can see that more and more it has become a mystical people to be able to say but something linear when you do this exercise then everybody is so good to see. But what when do that's it? Its ability to make yourself wave is this game of suffering now. Unless you add the concepts of satsang itself to yourself individually personally, as I so often have been talking about this ocean and coconut. There are some over the years how much some of your support because it is idea I have found the truth before now I should only dance like this. What is here now? And you are who is he enough? What do you say? God or you see I am so different a Time Lord is on the problem is gone. What cannot be true? The depths of all the Ghana from the depths of all the knowledge you can see this. The depths of all the bhakti, all the devotion, you can see it. We see that there is indeed one being with all those in depth you know the odds of any desire or limitation. See that I am this is what as if a little bit through this holy presence in our heart and it automatically goes down. We see their bodies yeah now there is nothing community whatever 40 might date was a fatality he comes with this for me surrender it's automatically residence. Thank you all so much for leaving some time today but could not even.