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Resistance Is Nothing but Pride 22nd November 2018

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Ananta teaches that all conceptual representations of reality are invalid, urging seekers to drop the burden of 'knowing.' He emphasizes that true openness and realization are identical and already naturally present when the mind's interpretations are set aside.

No conceptual representation is a valid representation of reality.
There is no distinction between openness and realization.
Knowledge is only the dropping of all signals, not moving from one certainty to another.

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Transcript

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Ananta

Namaste. A very warm welcome to satsang today. Satguru Sri Mooji Baba ki Jai. No conceptual representation is a valid representation of reality. I'd say to markers that you just talked is very powerful. Of course, that is also just a talk. After it was a Tuesday, did this come back to you? And sometimes you notice that it is just a thought just came back, come back, come back, it goes. Yes, you should try it for a month because one day you will not say this openness, this emptiness, is like a thing that we're doing. Okay, we are at a mala and we sit for two hours in this wing, but the immediate time there, it's not like a thing that we are doing. It is just naturally present. I mean, even discover that actually this is the way it always has been. It's only that we remember more of those moments where we seem to be caught up in some notion.

Ananta

If I ask any of you, 'How was your day yesterday?' I said this to this one, this happened, that. But how many such moments you remember? Ten, twenty, thirty? That would be a bit much. But what about the rest of it? So, one notion that I spend most my time in bondage, controlled by the mind or as a goal itself, you're just an awful man, you feel really tight. If I say, 'Okay, tell me something which is not in your first ten things that happened yesterday,' only moments with their thousands, like in your top ten things, you don't have to think about the ideas about distance. Have any questions? The reports with we wouldn't be burned to that question here. Humans beyond and if I were to claim field, all right, probably mentally recreate over a year from what I try to remember. Immediate question that you posed is that being created or between an exactly we can't see.

Ananta

We make a distinction between perception and creation, between imagination and this world. I think that is not now is imagination or perception creation? Yes, but even the content of the now is one and this world is appearing now. What can you say about it? Is it not perception? And how is it different from our perception, different imagination? It was not very different from this appearance. And we go hunting on notions, you will see that all of these emotions and the good part about this is like what Bhagavan said, 'True knowledge is only the dropping of all signals.' So it is not to go from one set of certainties to a new set of certainty. It is only dropping these ideas that are just ideas, or just not even dropping, just seeing them as ideas. Because many times you just like, 'I have to drop this now, I have to drop this now,' but we don't drop that 'I have to drop this.' So noticing is the lightweight to notice these things are just ideas, to see that any conceptual representation I can make about any of this doesn't stand up to any scrutiny.

Ananta

What are your thoughts? They are just conceptual representations of what is. They try to distill what is into a concept. But what does it mean to do that? Why do you need to distill what is into a concept? So in a way it can be said that, oh, we need to play in a limited way. What about the reason as itself, undistilled or conceptualized? So we don't need to distill what is into some idea because it's never valid anyway. Let's go see. She told me first time, 'If you begin to know, it messes it up.' And he never... and I still feel like it's been one idiot magnet. I still feel like I'm still hearing it now. I'm hearing it fresh now. The first thing it would... and we think we know what something is, that is the door to something either way. It includes everything that is being said in satsang. I guess the thoughts would use the tongs and throw the whole week in the hopefulness, in the emptiness, all the two techniques rediscover the Self that you're looking for is realized.

Ananta

There is no distinction between openness and realization. There is no distinction between openness and realization in that one moment. Through openness you are noticing something wrong. And this is what Bhagavan meant when he said truth, liberation, and practice are one and the same. But for those not in satsang, it can feel a bit confusing. Practice, I think you like, 'I am that, I don't need a practice.' But that's what he also saying is the meaning: open, not holding on, not thinking, the same as revelation. Then what happens when the popular notion of permanency comes? But isn't liberation supposed to be permanent? And we hold, we came to that much sooner, actually left this ball, a projection about the future. Nobody has ever met this thing called the future and nobody has ever met the thing of the past. If there was such a thing, where is it? The saint said, he said all these objects you see, if there was a past, are they going to go into the past? Are they going to go here to come into the future?

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Ananta

So this much anyone relatively will admit, that there is no such tangible thing as past and future. They were just conceptual. Don't let the idea of permanence keep you permanently stuck. If back to your date the question, what makes the present moment more real than the past or future? Nothing. If you are speaking of the content of the present moment, it is as much imagination as past and future. But if this is not insight, then this concept will not help. The content of the present moment, this phenomenal aspect of the manifest aspect of the Self, is as much imagination of the Self as is any imagined past and future. And yet these things also point as that we are speaking because they have to become insight. You can make a knowledge out of it, then you become up and it addressed. So it is not to remain conceptual. The attempt here, if there is such a thing, is to show you all of this very even notion such as past, present, and future passing through this motion.

Ananta

If you use any of what is being said in satsang as a basis for some conceptual framework, some idea-based understanding, even that will have to also be blown away like every house of cards we build in this field. And this is the ritual of the mind where I will say, 'That means I don't have to understand.' But I do have to understand. You see what I'm saying? Step back from those opposites. They do not apply to you now. This is where you stop and let yourself in exactly. And advocated this turbulence people just... I do in this and also because even if one survives, oh, you know what? It doesn't say why it's timidity because this stress of being world opposites and then seeing that, okay, it is not... I have not enjoyed my understanding of this or not understanding of this has nothing to do with reality of what I have. We're constantly... the mind is constantly asking the question, 'What does it mean? What does all of this mean? What does this mean? What is going on?'

Ananta

Make this candle now that it's your move to the idea that you can figure out anything, meaning what is going on and all the concepts. This is what I mean: a version of reality is what concepts are, but these never match up to reality. Like, forget what is going on or even what is, no concept can answer. We jump through the basics with the mind. It takes a leap over the basics. Like, you don't understand leasing but you want to understand what comes post. Post is for stand. The foot of our mission itself is not there. You are just presumed versions of our ideas of reality. That is why it is very good to see. Once you start seeing that it is just a thought, it is not reality. What does it mean? It is just not reality. It's an interpretation of reality. But we inquire into the validity of these interpretations and seeing that they are very, very insipid compared to reality. Any version of what is does not match what is.

Ananta

And if you take off this hand and you take off this hand and you see that what is just most men in my life start to hate these, you see that all of my baggage, all the things, all the ideas, were just mean versions of what is. Give me an idea that you feel truly represents our life. Already said it's given your most glorious words, never get the magnificence of reality to be me always, in which still rings true. You can clean up and almost address my link right now. But sometimes when you're doing these introspections, it could feel a bit tough because we've held on to these for a fair amount. 'This is what my life is. I'm going to see cool.' Are you? You know, none of these are these representations of God, the representations of orphans. The mind will complain, 'But it is true, but it is true, this is what my life is.' And the mind would act, then take it to the merry-go-round of Maya. I'm lucky to have found you. It is at all. Thank you.

Ananta

So Krishna and George were walking and Krishna said, 'George, I'm really thirsty. Can you go and get me some water to drink?' So George... George had a question for him, selling, 'What is my experience?' Okay, so then I hope this is the same story. So George goes up to get Krishna some water to drink from the river, and when he gets to the river he sees a beautiful maiden washing clothes instead and he falls totally in love. And so he goes and speaks to her and proposes to her. So they go back to her village, there's a big celebration and there's a marriage. They have a house made for them and George is so happy. They have the most beautiful children and prosperous life. The crops are doing well, everything's all good until one day a great flood comes and it wipes away all the crops and it takes away the house, and George's children and his wife get carried away by the flood. And he's so devastated and so he starts walking again and praising him, 'God save me! Krishna save me!' because he's devastated. And then they just want water. Yeah, Krishna says, 'George, what happened? You went to get me a drink.' 'I'm so sorry, forgive me.' So everything that we get now in that moment seems to pull our attention away from the permanent. It will go the same way that it came.

Ananta

Nothing ever happened. We were back to just being on that wall. Continue just George. He asked this question, 'What is my experience?' and either connect that it was just my back to the wall. You know, if you ask 'Who am I?', if you ask 'What is here?', if you ask even 'What is my purpose? What is this?', if you ask any question which is not in the confines of conceptual interpretation, so that Maya team makes Lucifer now is that aspect of George's life which you still consider to be happening to you as your reality. That motion which you still feel is real, who it applies to, that you're struggling with this problem. I am using... we don't know this thing. It believes just the weakest. Why I'm trying to convince you is really... I'm stomping Sun Tzu say, with great Japanese, Chinese water, Japanese warrior who said, 'Pretend to be strong when you're weak and pretend to be weak when you're strong.' This is the Art of War. Sun Tzu's Art of War, yes. Like that could be his mind is easy, like grasping at last wall and really struggling. It's such a strong mind that I... the minute any of you, the moment any of you can even see 'my mind is saying,' if you can use 'my mind is saying,' that means the mind is not so strong as you think it is. Because those who sail stuff where the mind is strong still music. I never saying of 'my mind is saying' that distance is not there at all.

Seeker

You... I am saying images, images in a wheel, but just images. Like what kind of images? Horrible. I mean, he also had a longing thing because he liked the analysis is that it's actually pre-words, pre-school, what a child... what a child's mind is like before words. And so it's all kinds of things that can be hellish, it can be beautiful, computer Jerry cartoons am I watching. Gonna close my eyes, it's that's... that's where I derived the belief that the mind is strong because the images are thrown very... which is great for artwork, whatever, but the storytelling, all that is not that's easy thing.

Ananta

There is a conviction that because this imagination is so strong, just welcoming because you say that this should not be the speed. Okay, also paintings. What do you have even if it becomes... because there's that fear that something like this happened here a few years back and now it's just like when they say looking on what is it, okay, what is it? And after like five minutes or something it was running out, running.

Seeker

It is great for artwork, whatever, but the storytelling, all that is not—that's an easy thing. There is a conviction that because this imagination is so strong, just welcoming... because you say that this should not be the speed, okay? Also paintings, what do you have? Even if it becomes... because there's that fear that something like this happened here a few years back and now it's just like when they say, 'Looking on, what is it? Okay, what is it?' And after like five minutes or something, it was running out, running out. You just say, 'Okay, what else?'

Ananta

You see that it's not everything phenomenal. Near liberty is easy, and the mind is a phenomenal appearance. So as we create this game of running and catching, it can feel like it is so persistent forever. But if we just say, 'Okay, tell me, show me what it is,' it will run a few minutes—five minutes, ten minutes, fifteen. It can't last. And it is just images. What it's like? These are two images. All images come from the same place, which is Consciousness. If you want to see like that, some concept with empty—the empty that I am speaking of is not empty of phenomenal contact; it is empty of just our belief in the interpretation of what that means. Because even in this, what you're saying is that this means therefore that my mind is still strong and there's something. So that is only an idea which is not keeping empty at the moment.

Ananta

So, when that is drawn, like these images are coming, we don't serve it the idea that this means something, and even the idea that it is meaningless. I do it using that key point in this on what is beyond this paradigm of opposites. Who said that things have to be either meaningful or meaningless? It is just the intellect works on duality to be stuck on that. And anytime you say that it is not just a thought, it is more than that, that is what words insert on the form. Where the spoken—just reuse those words as stones to remove this idea that this motion... well, that keyboard emotion is to call it. Most men feel like it is an attack or something, but I'm not that. This is true; it is not just an orphan. Then they look at that, and you look from all the designs. Wherever you're giving it looping, yes, yes, is a desire. And who is neither we about emotional this? What I mean, one simple way to say it is that because the presumed one could have a desire, aversion itself, if you thought of gap somehow always can, can't call you John.

Ananta

The gorge is done, so Joe, so this cat is John. And you can just be reading the story about this cat called John. And John is—when he drunk, he to the H, John is happy today. John made a friend today. And then we said, 'John doesn't like these things,' you see? And you're talking to a friend, you say, 'No, John is just like this, he doesn't like these things.' And I really like these things. No one sees it really wants this cat food, but doesn't want to LA or something. Then what would that tell you? But you do remember that there is no John. But many times in Satsang, what happened? We should—well, one part about Advaita or sandwiches—and I know that there is no person, but the person still wants this value. A man has pointed out that still like emotional because the presumed substratum is he is most of what is the real is abstract. The foundation itself is motion, desire of aversion. Duality itself is your ship. This is the common basic building blocks of the ego: the notion called agree separation, which is duality; desire—do I want and don't want; and what should I do or not do to get it or not get it. And what popular, most unpopular notion is that 'but this is contrary to my experience' because we have relied on our interpretation of our experience for so long.

Ananta

If you like what is being said here, the world, all of these things being notions of duality will not make... if you like, 'but I experience duality.' And this is the opposite of what Maharaj said. Maharaj said we are not experiencing suffering, but suffering your experience. That you are not experiencing duality but interpreting it to be so. So just one more: so how would you experience duality without emotion? It's not just wordplay. Hey, join me here, it is worth a try. How would you experience separation if you had no motion? As long as this—and I'll even experience it exactly as well—as long as we... you can have this like we were the same talking about the other day about the 'I' thought. The little means once you see the 'I' thought is just a thought, what does that mean? After this we can deconstruct a bit because once at these beautiful words, but the 'I' thought must leave you and then you will be free. The 'I' thought is the basis of all suffering, all ego. Now what would it mean to relieve you? Like what would it be? Now 'I' thought must leave you. If you look at that, we just have to see that if this idea 'I' is no longer of reference to anything else doing it, so don't try to move the pointer from a single Absolute because if it could still be referenced in that way, it is still not Absolute. It still be pointed to in that way, still not.

Ananta

So see that it doesn't refer to anything. Who does 'I' refer to? This system? This is very nice, sweet, because this is exactly where the one meant there is a dropping of false knowledge, false ignorance is the rising of true knowledge. It means that if 'I' no longer refers to anything, then in a way the first truth—forget about second thoughts—so it is no longer a pointer. This is Africa, no longer the pointer. What is gone? And again, best, besties only this is one now. So this idea of journey and gradations, that to pass you'll do this and you do that and then you will do this and then the 'I' thought will go and that will result—is also emotional. I did not mean anything right now in this very moment. You're doing this for some time before you came, I was making everyone see. Do you see? You are you saying admittedly? You can try, you see 'I'—word at that point to what do you might see? Okay, so that is the thing. So who is this 'I' then? That is then quietly. But as you have until these motion to point anything, just by the sound in a different language, somebody who doesn't know English, he is in Marathi, you'd be like causing the module design references mother. It doesn't reference.

Ananta

So there's nothing special in 'I'. Like we can hear the 'I' thought, it's not that okay, the word, the alphabet 'I' itself contains magical properties to make it like this thing. Which is just the meaning that has been given to it. And when it is divested of this meaning, because when we check every time we check 'Who am I?', we see that what does it mean? I can't find any object, tangible entity to which at this point a stylistic leader who is not fighting again. If there is still his spare time, this is how it becomes circular in a way, you see? So once you see that there is no 'I', you will see who is that. If it is—okay, let's see that in practical movie. If dancer can be asserted or negated, it is not it. If I can positively assert, 'Yes, there is an I,' whatever version you want to could do it, or you can say, 'There is no I,' you see, then it is not what we are talking about. You just beyond belonging because neither answer is true. Neither assertion or denial help of anything is—it is not. That's what other things in the beginning of certain today, that in conceptual representation does not actually accurately represent what is. That is why 'What do you know when you know nothing?' is a useful way to put it. And this much openness, lots of good to see that I don't know whether there is or there isn't what is.

Seeker

Yeah, definitely. It's been like that when I asked, there's no tangible. Basically saying in a way it's like I don't even know, and yet you can't even see that it is nothing yet.

Ananta

And then what happens is I used to use the term 'no-thing' very often, but I realized that that was becoming a thing. Like we can make an 'O Thing' thing. Netta very little quietly head this way, every listen. So what is it? Okay, I'm not finding a little time to do so. What do you find?

Seeker

Myself. Really know who I am to experience myself. Yeah, definitely it's not body-mind now. I don't experience of that yet, but there is a sense of existence, yeah, which I always feel when I pass the machines.

Ananta

But because you feel it, it makes it you? I can't see, can't even see that I see because I'm eating the ice cream doesn't make me ask. So it depends how you want to use the terms, but truly what is there? Some inherent meaning even in the term 'I'? There isn't. That is why this idea of 'I' thought, we're just like any other thought. Of course, it is important to look at it sometime like that because it is like this central thought around which all these thoughts are constructed to effective general base block. In general, if you like a big thing which is of putting a lot of other stuffs, we pull from there. What did I hear? It's another real wasp in the same twister for life. What does 'I' mean to? It's a temporary idea. So what is the permanent then if 'I' itself is temporary? Whose conclusion is this? And these questions: but who is doing it? I don't know or not know, or to do or to be pickup or to drop you. But the answer is not in 'there is' or 'there is no'. The answer is not in 'there is such Nile' or 'there is no'. But don't take my word for it, investigate it. Shouldn't begin, shouldn't you think when you have form ideas? But the most ancient quest only if there is an idea named investigation. If you are at ease of all motions to investigate you is what I'd say.

Ananta

Well, in our way of sharing Satsang, there are two things which are mainly talked about. One is the self-inquiry. We are very selective. Both these also accusing them or actually no different, but they can feel, seem a bit different initially. But both of these apply only to when you have a motion about ourselves. Like I said, that in your open, completely open, completely empty in this moment, you are not no different from the God. So only inquiry, all paths, all spirituality is based on the 'but' that comes after that. Here is that when you open you are free, and then you empty you're free. If you say, 'But then we are trying to remove that form,' say, 'But look what to twenty rounds of rock sound to bridge like the first I have to be.' Oh, that's nice.

Seeker

Sometimes you mean that you can't identify one or two? Possibly you could be interested in hearing this kind of thing, but it's not meaningless either. If I look back at all the friends I had doing panic look, I can't identify if he knew one or two who could be my team. The Motorola family members, they find this life as if it is something intellectual. They feel like it's very intellectual. It's almost right for them. It feels like it is some modern art, so many nothing. Modern artists will have Shiva, I can't see.

Ananta

Examples are better than I said. Those ends here that I'm gonna see a, you know, the more you know—one thing is to know too much. What do you know when you know nothing? Ever since I'm gonna lose my shoe, I inquire, I'm a survivor. They can understand the resistant water, the had two dates entangled, the weed is Lord. And then you come to something and you're here this time, right? Just do the Aarti in the middle, in the beginning, and then do nothing about God, something about Atma in the world, Brahman. This obsessing about what do you think you know—and notice that chapter 26 of Ribhu Gita is supposed to be like among if not the highest findings to the Absolute. It is all 'not, not, not'. It's part of the good point Shiva said. This is the secret. Sometimes I recognize the theme operas. Shiva wouldn't say it was the mystery of Shiva, still his path to finding Shiva. This is the heart of it, the one himself at the heart of it. And all it says is 'not, not, not', even the one what Shiva's not in 1882. Very direct. This is artists, artists.

Seeker

So what does this miss feels about all this mysterious Lila? I myself was getting confusing now, a Butchie like with a quick and some questioning before it's gone. I'm trying to see exactly, even trying to be quiet.

Ananta

You see, being quiet is not trying to be quiet. It's like the natural things. The moment you take any position, even in the position of trying to be empty of positions—so it's more, it's more honest.

Ananta

Not even the one what she was not in 1882. Very direct. This is artists' artists. So what does this miss feels about all this? Mysterious? I myself was getting confusing now, but she like with a quick and some questioning before it's gone.

Seeker

I'm trying to see exactly. Even trying to be quiet is... being quiet is not trying to be quiet. It's like the natural things. The moment you take any position, even in the position of trying to be empty of positions... so it's more honest, more confident.

Ananta

Good point. Actually, what happens at the end of any good kung fu movie? You've seen any kung fu movie? You want to say like Bruce Lee or something. The protagonist is oppressed. Society, people are there, gangs, and he tries and he has no skills really, but he's faking it and trying to make it. And then what happens is he meets a Zen master who, or a conformist... they all came from the same place in Syria if you believe the Indians, which is it all came from Buddhism, master. So what happened then is that he struggles with this master. He is not an orderly getting hated with masters like speaking on the street, but that's why the Satguru comes from all of these kung fu references. So he's just like, 'What is he saying? What is he saying? What is he saying?' You see, for the end of the movie, he just meets... Amen to it. All these movies are the same formula. You see, let's go. And then what happens? He gets attacked with his research, yeah? He was for thinking over years and then he's recognized. Ah, he's the next great master there. And then all the ones who were understanding the master, who were in there over the years, understood what the master said, they are upset because this one who never understood anything, he just became empty.

Ananta

All the pundits were complaining then, in quotes, scripture acts with words. Why? So the deeply spiritual in descent, very studious and vicious. And one then said, 'All things are perfectly resolved in the unborn.' He wasn't messing around, you know. He was in here today because Guruji was mentioning to me one time that the best sportspeople are the best because when they play, they have to go to have their dashing about this emptiness. You're an artist's artist, scientist, everyone has said this. But all the insights gained, all these reflections, even I am, I said that the time we just let go of it, he left himself empty. But the thing is that if that becomes the expectation, then forget it, nothing happens. We will comment. So no super abilities, no kung fu. We don't want anyone challenging this. Looping thugs come, come. I'm gonna be too early when he can become. I'm just not fully empty.

Ananta

And it happened one time with Lucia. There's one Lucia from Australia, and Lucia seems to me with how they pronounce it is different, Lucia from America. She said to me that, 'I can't be myself to surrender.' We have it on the visa, not surrender without saying this about you feel that if you leave it to God, He's going to make a rush of it. He's running all of this. We've had this combination of time. So she said, 'Okay, I'm going to select.' Next day comes and she came, 'Father, I'm very upset with you today.' 'What happened?' 'For 21 years,' or was it eleven years, 'I've been a psychotherapist and I have never missed an appointment. I've never been late. But one day I left it to God and missed the first appointment. I was late.' But the thing is that it is not surrender. This is still half salvation, certainly with one eye open. 'I'm surrendering to You, but make sure it continues this way or that way.' Your starts to happen this way. So it is still not emptiness. They were not expecting this to happen, but they were not expecting these things to happen. Emptiness, it'll be okay. People, they won't just go in. Same as what you're saying. Open those emptiness, not leading.

Ananta

Thank you. Another word for resistance is pride. This pride, and all this pride fundamentally... we might be led by a desire outwardly, our organism. We could be outwardly the sweetest, but still believe like we know anything really. Very sweet my expression, but inwardly if you still feel like, 'I know this, I know this is right, this is wrong, this is this, this is bad, this is true,' this is all this thing. Quarter can humanity, this would make a fight. Not how your behavior to say, even this a symposium studio top being empty. If you're still convinced that you know even one thing, including the 'I don't even know one thing,' if you know even that one, this was pride. Thank you all so much for being in satsang today. Satguru Sri Mooji Baba Ki Jai. Sri Ram Ji Ki Jai.