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It's Not About "Me", It's Only About God, Because the Lane Is Too Narrow – 18th November 2022

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Saar (Essence)

Ananta challenges the ego's sense of entitlement and spiritual bargaining, urging seekers to abandon self-serving motives. He emphasizes complete surrender to God's will and the necessity of 'dying' to the personal self while alive.

The lane is too narrow to fit both me and God together.
Empty the lane of yourself; spirituality is not a give-and-get relationship.
We must become absolute losers, hopeless and small, for the false to burn away.

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Transcript

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Seeker

My heart is quite sure it's just like so bound to give a heart to breathe. Maybe that there is something—it's not like I'm gonna drag something like this from last week, or just share my experience throughout the week. In the last satsang, during it actually, it created a lot of anger in me, which you know I'm not a stranger to. I think it's just the pattern of this anger. When you were saying, 'Would you give this to God? Would you take it either way?' you know, my answer would be yes, always. Like, yes, yes, no matter what you ask me. But that made me very angry. You asked me those things, and what do you give me in return? And then when you spoke to Georgina, I remember you said—well, maybe not particular to her but just in general—like, maybe you won't receive it for another two or three lifetimes. And that was just like, okay, so mad, so mad. And that state stayed throughout the week with me and was like coming back to the same things and same things. I feel such a strong feeling of entitlement. Yes, that sort of 'God has to give me this grace' just like I'm entitled. I don't know, I kind of do see through it a bit, but I really wanted to share that somehow. This is such an entitlement to anything, like this anger. I experienced a lot of anger towards God that He maybe didn't give me this or that, or Enlightenment, or just name it. It doesn't matter what the thing is; it's just like this feeling of entitlement. Sorry, I can't pronounce it. And then another thing came up like, well, I already gave those things to God many, many times. I feel like I'm doing this in my personal life journey. I feel like this is happening for me for the second time when God is asking me to give up. Maybe before it wasn't worded like that, but just life situations came like that and it was like, 'It doesn't matter if I live or die, you know, it's fine.' And it was really fine, and that's when my spiritual journey and my spiritual experiences started. And now I feel like I'm doing this for the second time. My own insight into that was like, 'Okay, how do you know that I haven't done it for a million times even?' My things for God—how do I know? Who am I to know? I don't know, I just really wanted to share that as an entitled human being who wants God and doesn't receive God, or at least perceives it like that.

Ananta

Yes, very, very good. I know that you're probably wondering why I'm saying this is actually very good, but this is exactly the kind of intervention that I am trying to create in satsang. Because I'm trying to push everyone out of this self-serving type of spirituality. The self-serving smallest self-serving papers with liberty that has proof—spirituality demands complete sacrifice of everything. So it is true that dreams cannot be done no matter what. So suppose you really loved your age, suppose you really love having stars or something like that. And there's a chance, there's a small chance that if you make dinner for him, Harry Styles may visit your house. So how many days, or whatever your icon is, whoever you are part of the most in the world—so how many days will you take the chance of cooking dinner knowing fully well that he may not come? So if you can do this for worldly admiration, then how much dinners can we cook and keep ready for God to come? And when do we give up? After how many dinners cooking and God not coming, when do we give up?

Ananta

So this is really the question, and this is when we face our entitlement, like you said. 'But I have done this, I've done this before and over, how can you not give me what I want?' Because I, the receiver, yes, the expecting 'I' is still around. And the lane is too narrow. The lane is too narrow to fit that one, that 'me' and God together. So the whole point of recording this, provoking this itself, is so that this one comes into the spotlight, which it is doing in this case, which is very nice. So it comes into the spotlight to say that I am asking for eternal life, I am asking for the truth, I am asking for God, the highest being beyond the universe, beyond time and space. So how many lifetimes of openness entitles us to get that? Infinite also doesn't entitle us. If we kept doing this till the end of time, it doesn't entitle us.

Ananta

So that's why I want to step aside and try and trample over as much spiritual marketing as possible, where all this notion of, 'Ah, do this then you'll have a lifetime of peace, and then God will bless you with this, and then you'll have bliss, and then this will happen and all of that will happen'—no, it's not about that at all. It is a huge risk, huge risk. It's asking us—the call of the heart is prodding us to die while we're still alive. It has nothing to do with the death of the body, because that has nothing to do with what I'm saying. But die to ourselves, our ideas, our notions of reality, our knowledge, all those things that we are right about. And even upon these deaths, what guarantee do we have? None at all.

Ananta

So it is this kind of spirituality which I am drawn to speaking about. There is no chance for the ego to build a house. So we can determine just looking at this, saying, 'What does our will want? What does our individual will want?' We want, 'I've done this, I have been devoted, I have been completely in satsang so long, I haven't opened an MTV, I have been taking myself not to be the doer, everything I've done everything right, now what do I get in return?' Nothing. Nothing. Then really nothing? Then something will come? No, really nothing. Because the offering and the gifts are infinitely different from each other. Our offerings, which are peanuts, may give the ego the idea that in return for these peanuts I deserve that which is beyond the universe. But in reality, it's nothing. And that can seem like it's very tough to hear, to say it up to here. And that toughness is important because that is the fireplace in which your ego will burn.

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Ananta

I feel I'm done with this very, very feel-good type spirituality stuff because it's become very, in the world as I see it, it's become very self-serving and selfish and not about God but about me. So I refer back to Rahim Ji's quote by saying the lane is too narrow to include both God and me. So if it is God and only God, and if I can empty myself to an extent that it is empty of me, but I still cannot—if there is a ministry demanding, saying, 'I was promised God in the lane, I was promised once the me is not there then God will come'—but that is 'me'. That is still 'me', isn't it? So I want to say that our job is to empty ourselves fully and nothing after that. It's not a give-and-get relationship. Grace is not a reciprocal relationship.

Ananta

Can we come to a point together? You're saying that we've been pointed to whatever seems to be in our control, seems to be being operative there. You've been pointed to whatever seems to be in our control, and that's all that we can do. Everything else is none of our business, none of my business. Otherwise, we will never be able to remove the selfishness from spirituality, the self-serving nature of spirituality which has become the normal conditioning of tracking our spiritual progress. If you give up yourself, the false self, is it not worth giving up because it is false in itself? Is that not a good enough deal in itself to give up on the false? So that is to cook the meal for God and keep it ready, and it may go on. Or is the deal that, 'Tell me that you will come, only then will I cook for you. Guarantee it to me, otherwise let me enjoy falseness. Why should I move out of the false unless I get the gifts of God, the gifts of the discovery of Brahman?'

Ananta

This is very good. I'm glad that this way, although it is frustrating, the message is at least heading home. Because I would rather that all of us are frustrated in this way, burning the false in the fire of our heart, rather than living in a delusional sort of spirituality going after like chocolate-flavored moments saying, 'Oh, it's working because then this summer I'm finally winning in my life.' And you found a way to win? No, we have to become losers, absolute losers, hopeless, hopeless. We hopeless we must see what we take ourselves to be is completely insignificant, hopeless, useless, small, nothing. Then maybe just drop obsessing around my perceptions, my experiences, my life, my God, my spirituality. The 'my' is so... I want to ignite this fire. I want 'me' to burn in this fire so that we can die while we are still alive. And even that is no guarantee for anything. It's not a quid pro quo anyway. We don't have an equal exchange to offer God in you.

Ananta

So in this way, we're burning this fire so that we can get over ourselves. Really, that is the important thing in spirituality: you just have to get over yourself. It's not about me, it's not about 'me', it's only about God, because the lane is too narrow. So as well, also one of the reasons I've been playing this beautiful set of verses from the secret tradition—this talks about no tactic, no tactic is going to work. You may try hundreds of different strategies. 'We've done this, we have learned this, we have meditated this, we have been still for so long, we have stopped our thoughts, we have immersed ourselves in deep love'—we have done all of this, but it's all unimportant in the final account. It has to be fully empty of ourselves, even from all these spiritual accomplishments. It is really important, and again I'm saying it is really important, and yet there's no guarantee. You cannot have any expectations of entitlement. God has no obligation towards you, meaning anyone.

Ananta

I spent a million lifetimes of deep spirituality, but that does not make us special enough for God. It will always be by God's grace alone, and there's no way what we take ourselves to be can force God, no matter what we add on our spreadsheet of spiritual accomplishments and progress. You never take the report card to God and say, 'See, now you have to come. You have no option.' So emptying of all individual will, including what we think should happen in our spirituality, is the prerequisite to meet. Because the lane is too narrow, and we can't manage our general both. And I have to also say that the road has been made very simple for us, very simple by Guruji's grace and all the influences that we've had that have pointed us so beautifully to this simplicity.

Ananta

Because we can say now, or we can see now, that the only way we can say we are truly in the heart, we are truly being intuitive, is when 'myself' is absent. And when 'myself' is absent, then I am not in any waiting or expectation. How many in the world can make a report like this: that I know I'm truly empty, I am in the heart, because 'myself' is absent to me? Because none of this is meant to mean anything to your head. Spiritual deal-making and negotiations with being, with God—and we come to a true humility of our head being bowed down. It's not even an attempt to improve ourselves. It's not even a patience, although we attempt to use that word, force-fits that word here to yourself, and you have the patience of eternity. That is the only path, so to speak.

Ananta

It sounds intimidating. It is, because it is. And we must not shy away from that. I don't want to reassure anyone, because when it hits us, then the assurance actually becomes so denial. To die to oneself from mental perspectives—it is the hardest thing that you will ever do. Be ready for it to be the toughest thing that you ever do. But by God's grace, it becomes the simplest thing you ever do. That is so. Empty the lane of yourselves. Empty the lane. You cannot even hide and watch from a window and see, 'Is God coming? Is God coming? I waited long enough.' And we must forget about the past. Forget about it. 'But I have done this before and He came' or 'He didn't come'—forget it. All past belongs to the false 'me'. The truth is immediate. We cannot come in, all of us.

Ananta

Be ready for it to be the toughest thing that you ever do, as by God's grace it becomes the simplest thing you ever do. That is to empty the lane of yourself. Empty the lane. You cannot even hide and watch from a window and see, 'Is God coming? Is God coming? I waited long enough.' And we must forget about the past. Forget about it. 'But I have done this before and He came' or 'He didn't come.' Forget it. All past belongs to the false me. The truth is immediate. We cannot come in, all of us, with what we want. At least to ourselves we should be honest. Until you don't burn that up, all talk of spirituality is just talk.

Ananta

Three years of reassurance I'll offer everyone, which is true: remember that that which can burn is not your reality. So, empty of individualism. Then the mind will ask you, 'So how do I know that I'm following God's will?' Guru Nanak Ji is saying that to follow His will is the only way to come to the truth and deconstruct the decision of 'How do I know what is God's name?' So, allow the presence to act on its own. Allow the presence to act on its own, and that's what most of your life will be taken care of in. It will still come to some points where the mind will grab us and say, 'No, but this you need to decide. You cannot allow; you need to decide. Do I apply here? Do I stay here?' Something will be presented as a big call in life that your intervention is needed. 'God cannot do; God's presence itself cannot do. Your intervention is needed.' And we will buy into those ideas from time to time.

Ananta

So, what to do about those? Allow that also to remain in our heart and wait for guidance to come. As long as you are allowing the presence to act directly without mental intervention, you'll find it. But if you insist that 'I need to answer,' don't rush to the mind. No matter what, trust God. Trust your being. If silence is that answer for the moment, then accept silence to be the answer. We can also want to take an opposite position saying, 'Oh, my mind wanted this, so what God wants is the opposite of that. Let me do the opposite.' No, that can also be a simple trick for the mind to play, which is to propose the opposite of whatever it wants. So, we cannot automatically assume that the opposite is what they want to do. And some of us are parents; we've done enough of the reverse psychology stuff with our kids to know that that's essential to prove.

Ananta

You do not have to do the opposite of what you want. Don't rush. If you insist that some guidance is needed, allow it to come to you in whichever form it has to come to you. And if you can doubt whether it is mind or God, then stay still. Remember that you never can waste time in this. The mind will push you and say, 'You don't have time for this, you have to decide now.' This is just not true. It's just not true. In fact, in rushing you, the mind is winning the battle because if there is a battle on, that is about time. Moment to moment, we keep postponing our meeting with God. We keep postponing our openness, maybe because of the spiritual reassurances we may also have now, or our previous spiritual experiences we may also have now. So then we say, 'Okay, now I will relent to the mind, but just for a little bit. Just for a little bit.' Very soon it's going to be game over. The mind will say, 'Nice try, but no cigar this time. Maybe next time.'

Ananta

So, I cannot emphasize to all of us enough how urgent this matter is, because none of us know what the next moment brings. This is the moment where God is available to you, yourself is apparent to you. Don't hand it over to the mind. Live in the heart. To live with faith is simultaneously the easiest and the most difficult, because the instruction is very simple. The instruction is actually very simple, but the submission of our individual will for some time can seem difficult. So we try to fit it into the garb of 'This is what God must want.' Probably not anyway. You must not do that. We must not rush to the mind, no matter how deep the provocation may seem. So this is the urgency which you can never meet with a rush. You must only make the full emptiness immediate. Emptiness is a new community this moment. Forget the stories that we think you are, why you deserve God, why you had enough of this, why God doesn't listen or did listen in the past. Forget all of this. It's not about you. It never was and it never will be.

Ananta

Something is coming to say which may sound super harsh or strong, but it's coming up soon. That's how it is. God has no interest in assisting you. God has no obligation to assist you. The truth has no obligation to the false. If God could say, God would say, 'I want to upload you as soon as possible, not help you.'

Seeker

Can you expand on the 'it's about God' part? Also, the sound is not so clear.

Ananta

In fact, that's all I've been saying in this spring rank that I just had. It's really what I'm saying. God has no interest in you. God is not here to help me. But that is the wrong prayer to make. A prayer always must be 'Let Thy will be done,' not 'Please assist me in my will.' It's a very subtle thing, but the difference between God and ego... imagine there is nothing the ego wants more. Imagine that you could decide and God helps you in everything you decide. What a wonderful life! Who doesn't want that? Every ego wants that. So it buys into the notion of spirituality saying, 'What? The greatest force in the universe, I can just pray to it and say, please help me with this, show me God, give me a relationship, give me money, keep the body comfortable, all this thing.' And just by bowing down like this, the greatest force in the universe is there to help me. Wouldn't that be a great deal to me? Thankfully, it's complete nonsense.

Ananta

God is not that unkind, as Guruji has reminded us often. God is not that unkind that He hands over power to the ego like this. Now, I had another beautiful conversation on WhatsApp with a child where I said, 'If it was not God's will, would it happen anyway?' No, it won't happen. If it would not be His will, also. Then I said, then the only question that remains is: how do we know what is the right path? Because the outcome of whether it happens or not is anyway God's will. So most of us have come to an acceptance about that. Whether something happens or doesn't happen, yes, God. Now what we are saying, what most of us say then is, 'Let me decide. Let me choose.' So I decided, 'Okay, what is good for me is that I have this or I don't have this, and I want this kind of life.' And then we say, 'Okay, now we hand it over and say, if it's God's will, then please, please try to make it happen.'

Ananta

But what is the right intelligence to even decide what should happen? Do we have that capacity in our mind? Do we have the capacity in our ability to perceive to be able to make that decision? Can we decide the auspiciousness of what should happen in our heads? So if the outcome we've already handed over to God's will, why can we not hand over what needs to happen also? So we move away from a half-surrender, which is not a surrender at all, into the full surrender. Because the half-surrender looks like that: 'God, please need this relationship thing to work for me. Please make it if that is Your wish.' But what should happen, we've already concluded. That is not to live. Why would we trust a lesser intelligence to determine what needs to happen?

Ananta

So to live in God's will is to leave the determination of what, how, and when, everything and whether all to God, including our spiritual desire. Including our spiritual desire. Should God come? How do you know that if God came, you know, the brightest light which you could fathom, but not Hussein, came right now? How do you know that in the coming right now you may not become full of spiritual ego? How does anyone know these things? Trust that intelligence which you already do. Most of us are trusting with the outcomes, and also do that with the determinations of what needs to happen. Because to play the game the other way is to seek assistance from God as if God is the servant and we are the master. 'I will tell God what to do, and if God follows what I tell God, then it's a good God. Otherwise, it's very, very frustrating mode.' We say, 'You think?' Then they become that kind of... so on what basis do we trust our intelligence to be able to make those determinations? Isn't it like losing the lottery a million times but continuing to bet on it because one day the mind will work, it will guide me well?

Ananta

If you're going to bet, and bet your whole life on that which you cannot fathom but is completely apparent to you in your heart, take one bet and take it fully. For going back then, that your entire life till your dying breath on this one that you've taken. It's completely irrational, unreasonable, and nothing supported by anything in the relevant perceptions, but your heart is calling you and you know it. Hide as much from it as you want, but you're doing it. This is the life of faith. This is the way of the heart. With the way of the heart, you cannot be half-hearted.

Ananta

You want to add something or let's... well, maybe many things were coming ahead while you were speaking, but I don't know this in general. Maybe I feel like all this, not just like this particular thing, but just in general, this 'me, me, me, me' is such a like an old style, like a swamy swamp energy. Yes, yes, exactly. But it's there and it's like I still sometimes swim in it obviously, or drown, I don't know. It's just familiarity makes it feel like it's a comfortable hell. And in the mind, we would rather pick the comfortable hell which is familiar than the great unknown. So even though we recognize it when the 'me' is calling to that, saying, 'Ah, yes,' something tempts us with that because at least we feel like, 'Okay, that I recognize. I've lived through that for a long time.' But the master is pointing us to a path too broad. How can I end? How can I make sure I can live in a house with no walls?

Ananta

So the unfamiliarity of the unknown the mind will use as a fear tactic. And then all the frustration: 'He doesn't answer properly. He doesn't tell us what is going to happen. And what should I do? What should I not do?' All that stuff can happen. That's exactly what we're trying to chop away, chop away. Because you take this bet with not a guarantee of winning, and that is what is the mind's reason for frustration. 'You're asking me to bet my life while I continue to live. You're asking me to bet my life, but you are not saying what is going to happen. Will I become enlightened? Will I start sharing satsang? Will I become famous? Will I live in bliss all the time?' Nothing. No guarantee about anything. So only those who are crazy enough to take this bet, those who are crazy enough to take this bet are being invited to take this. The rest can hear this like music or whatever, that's fine. Because to your head, this is the stupidest thing you could ever do. You want to bet everything that you write on, everything that you built up so far, everything that you think you have or will have. Some strange guy comes and asks you to bet everything in return for that which to the mind sounds like nothing.

Seeker

I don't know. Today I feel like I'm quite the opposite, but the things are still like... like there is willingness to bet, but there's no... I don't know what it is what I'm trying to say is that it doesn't matter. I don't know that that's what it's like. It doesn't matter. There's no one, like seriously, there's no one to bet or not bet. And I'm not just saying I'm here somehow, somewhere. It's like, okay, you cannot... it's not like, 'Okay, if I can bet or not bet, choose or not choose.' So I'm not gonna choose on God will not in that way. No, but like you cannot be frustrated unless we want something. And if that one who wants something does not exist, so maybe I don't know why I'm frustrated. Like what? I don't know what to ask, how to ask, what I want to ask.

Ananta

Right. You said that what made you angry was that there is no guarantee that God will come.

Seeker

Yes, but on... I mean, that was like more... sometimes there is, sometimes there's no, sometimes there's just complete peace. Let's...

Seeker

I can't choose that or not. Bad shoes are not true, so I'm not going to choose. God will not in that way, no. But like, you cannot be frustrated unless we want something. Foreign does not exist, so maybe I don't know why I'm frustrated. Like, what? I don't know what to ask, how to ask, what I want to ask, right? You said that what made you angry was that there is no guarantee that God will come. Yes, but I mean, that was like more... sometimes there is, sometimes there's no, sometimes there's just complete peace, let's say. And then some things come up like that and they just like seem like they take the whole being and the whole... yes, the whole like 'me, me, me' just becomes very, very strong.

Ananta

So if I said to you that either state, if it comes or doesn't come, it doesn't matter because it's not about you. No, no, you have to repeat this. So we say, okay, the contrast of states—sometimes it's just pure peace, it's just beingness, sometimes there's just so much. Meaning unimportant. Give it up. Oh yes, okay. All right. Now, okay, yes, give it up. Even this. No, let me be clear: this fluctuation of that, that's what you're asking. What you think is happening to you and what is happening to you is unimportant right now.

Seeker

It feels important, but in general, I know that it's not important.

Ananta

Unimportant. What do you think about it? What do you feel about it? Whether it's feeling important right now, it's unimportant.

Seeker

Okay, I can't fight anymore. I can't fight with anything. Okay, whatever. Okay.

Ananta

A fight would imply that you want something. What would you... what do you want? What would you fight for?

Seeker

Some imaginary fights, that imaginary myself, but yeah.

Ananta

Yes, and what side are you on in this fight?

Seeker

No side right now. So sometimes it can be round and round for one minute, that's like... I'm tired of fighting. It's the fight.

Ananta

So this sort of guerrilla warfare can happen sometimes. But notice when you say, 'I can't do this anymore, I just can't do this anymore,' inherent in that belief is an expectation or an idea of what we want. Because how can we fight or not fight anymore unless there are sides to pick, unless there is individual will? So we are entering the certain realms of subtleties in the mind, and they are all being uprooted or burnt in the fire.

Seeker

I hope so. You know, there's a fatherly part of this expression which just wants to reassure all of you so much. It's not the issue. All this is nicely... don't worry, my child, I'll take care of you. So I'm kind of half saying it in that pretext of half-said it, because I don't want it to become superior and all this fire that I've built up and I have to start again. I know, I know. And I remember one thing while in Bangalore, I remember telling you like, 'Okay, no matter the cost.' Yes, um, sometimes I really regret those words. I don't know why, I just... it stuck with me. So, 'no matter the cost' event.

Ananta

Okay, thank you for that. Thank you for that. That's a bet. That's exactly the bet. And I hope you know what I mean. No matter what the cost is, no matter the cost. Of course, of course. I don't feel like there's anyone in spirituality who truly bets their life on God who doesn't have a moment or two of that. It's part of the game. Don't worry. Thank you. Oops, today you said, and now it's going to be there for us. Because what tool do we have to determine what should happen to us?

Seeker

I just wanted to bring this fear that's come out into our satsang. And I just noticed it's not a matter of asking you like, 'Make it go away.' Like, no, no. Like, add more wood, you know? I'm here for it. I just noticed there's such a strong urge when it comes to distract, and I just feel to ask for the grace to have the courage to just... I mean, it's just fear. It's just something. It's just another shape being taken in this. Thank you. And yet there's just a very strong avoidance that comes, you know.

Ananta

Very good. Thank you. Thank you so much. I can't tell you how useful this question is, because I feel in my heart so much to share this point with you. That as this burning, this fire has been created in satsang in December, you see, there will come things, even spiritual-sounding things, which will offer seeming relief to us. Something will come and say, 'But all this stuff he's saying, hand it over to God. Take the big, big bet.' He's saying that you are the doer, actually there is nothing to do, just chill out. Because what have we learned in Mathura, if anything? That there is no doer. And that's exactly what I'm saying. But I'm getting you to confront the individual will, which can hide behind the notion of non-doership also very conveniently. And it can be a very comfortable sort of, 'Oh, there's no doer here, so it's okay.' You know, this kind of spirituality. So these distractions will come, and for a while it will seem like so much relief. 'What is this talk about burning everything and betting everything? There's no doer here.' The truth is there's no... so conveniently we get back to our individuality and then intelligent will in the defense of something very spiritual-sounding, you see. So thank you for asking this question, although it wasn't directly this, but really a lot of things will come. The best relationship will show up, the best things will show up, or something will just start falling apart and something will say, 'No, no, first you need to fix that, then you can come back to this,' you see. But no, this is super urgent. This is the most important project you have right now. Nothing is more important. And if something seems more convenient in a simpler sort of spirituality where you can say, 'Oh, but at least like I'm feeling peaceful right now, and I don't have to jump without knowing how to jump, and I don't have to meet all these pointings or bet everything and no risk, no faith,' all this kind of stuff is retreat to something, some practice that would make me peaceful. That's why it is important to remember that if something can burn, it must be burned. Good. It must not be hidden away anymore. The truth cannot be burned. So if the false is burning, must we step away from the fire or jump in completely? If something is found, the scent of our falseness, if our Master has found the scent of our falseness and now is setting it on fire, all these distractions in Maya will come. That is the nature of this world for millions of years. Every distraction in Maya will come and say, 'Come, come, I've got something easier. None of the betting business, this job business, and you know, it's okay, we'll be comfortable. What is this about? It's about peace. Why you want to burn? Come, come with me. Chant this or chant this thing like a hundred thousand times, we'll be just fine.' Not that the things... but you know what I'm saying. So any distraction, either in the garden of spirituality or in the job of anything else in the world, which may seem to provide some relief from this burning, remember this question: What can burn? Okay? Can the true burn? No. And this is the number one time in which the mind can attract you out of satsang like this, because it will say, 'It's too much, too much. He's going too far. I liked the balloon and thousand few months ago, and just confirm your awareness is good enough.' With all these people, this is all this self-sacrifice and great business and trust and devotion and all that. I thought I was done with all of that. And that is why I'm giving you a stick to hold on to, which is: What can burn? If you are getting frustrated, if you're getting angry, if you're feeling that something is shaking you up, who is that you that can be shaken up? Who is in the fire right now? Who wants to come back to a comfortable spirituality? And I promise you that that comfortable spirituality is a comfortable hell. So let the burning... I actually plead with all of you to let this burning happen. Don't get distracted, don't get diverted. It's a very rare fire which is burning, especially in this collectively. They need to burn in that. If there is a mustard of trust that remains in this expression, that you still continue to have in this expression, this is the time that you still don't run, especially when the burning and the frustration and whether like the previous child reported, all of this is happening. Let it burn, knowing that individual false can be burned. Actually, something here wants to speak so strongly that I don't even want to offer that reassurance that only the false can be burned. Now, I really showed that, you know? But really, not even with hanging on to that plant. Follow your heart. Your heart is guiding. Thank you. Thank you for bringing this up. It's very important. Thank you. Thank you so much.

Seeker

What you said is all these reassurance thing and reference... reassurance, I'm sorry. Sorry, what is the second term you used? No, no, well, it was the same. I was trying to say they say the same thing, the reassurance and... and also this kind of comfortable spirituality you say, no? Yes, yes. I see that somehow this clinging to, clinging to, stringing, clinging to the side, to the peace or to... and yeah, I was seeing, I'm seeing, and now also then, yeah, that the one who wants that is still the same one. Yes, yeah. And the caprice to want that back or something, or to... no, the caprice. Winging the... let's hear it in some other ways. Well, it doesn't matter that much, but like the whim, to me sounds like a slight will, like the will, like a... no, it's more than what I was trying to say is that this kind of the mind preference, wanting something. Okay, yes. The mind crying to get something back. And because what happened is that I was in during a long time, somehow I was feeling this connectedness with God or something.

Ananta

All right. But what I'm seeing now is that still, still this relationship between... yeah, I want to tell you, it doesn't matter. As harsh as it may sound, yeah, yeah, it doesn't matter. It's unimportant. It's not about you. Yeah, that leaves who? Yep, sorry, that leaves who? So once it... once I don't matter, or who I take myself to be doesn't matter, what it means is: Is it a feeling? Is it a perception? Is it something in the body? Is it an experience of joy, bliss? All of that doesn't matter. Without all of this, what remains? If you do not have the job to check how you're doing, what progress you're making, whether you're open or closed, whether you're resisting, what healing is coming—nothing. If you do not have this job to bother with any of this, about the unimportant one. Because this is to lay out the table for God. Because if you already know, then where is the space for God to come? If you already have a narrative, you think, 'This was happening, now this is happening,' but then there's no room for God. Now you don't know. 'You don't know' is the space for God to come. In our emptiness, in our not knowing, in our absence of being right about anything, we set the dinner table for God. Now don't check what is happening to you because it's unimportant. Okay? Once you have surrendered, then how does it matter what is happening? Because what happens is when we make a report saying, 'Okay, this is resistance, this is closeness, this is openness, I was like this,' we are actually only exhibiting, without realizing, our individuality and what we want, what we don't want. Our individual will is represented and gets a narrative in this way. So to empty ourselves from that, please just empty the lane for God. And we cannot expect or set a timeline for God to come. Risk it, even if the odds are one in a gazillion. Risk it, even if the odds are one in a trillion or something. Risk it. Take the risk. This is the lottery worth buying, even though even if the mental odds of meeting him may be so small that we cannot even expect that to happen. Risk everything at all costs. You see, my child? So what happens is that I'm just trying to shake you out of a spirituality which is about you. Yes, it seems I keep coming back to this point. Not important. It's not about you. Yes, they do.

Ananta

Even if the odds are one in a trillion or something, risk it. Take the risk. This is the lottery worth buying, even if the mental odds of meeting are maybe so small that we cannot even expect that to happen. Risk everything at all costs, you see, my child. So what happens is that I'm just trying to shake you out of a spirituality which is about you. Yes, it seems I keep coming back to this point. It's not important. It's not about you. It doesn't matter what's happening to you. Tell me about God. Tell me about the search for God. Then, will the emphasis on what is happening to me help us win this game or lose this game? Yeah, lose it. And you don't realize it because our spiritual conditioning itself has taught us to look for these benchmarks, whereas all the benchmarks that are designed even in spirituality have nothing to do with God; they only have to do with me. So we cannot even truly call it a spirituality.

Ananta

If you have sacrificed yourselves or surrendered yourself, then why are we checking on what's happening to you? Or is the surrender and sacrifice a way to make ourselves better than somebody? Now that I surrendered to God, therefore then I should be more peaceful, I should not resist, I should be more accepting. This was the 'I' we surrendered, so this 'I' has to return back into the heart. What's happening to God? And don't let your mind come in here and say nothing ever happened to God, so how can—what kind of question is that? So I'm really saying check in. Check in what's happening to God. Is He with you or no? Is God's light with you? I don't know at the moment. I don't know. Let's find out, because that is the more important thing than knowing anything else.

Ananta

So the false knowing that the mind offers to us is a distraction away from the true knowing which you're being pointed to. So to lose the idea that God is here is only the product of the hypnosis of the mind, isn't it? Yeah. So let's return to that truthfulness, and all the tools are there with you. You can check whether you can stop being now. Are you being? Is your presence here? Is being here? Yeah. So that is something that is important. Everything else so far was unimportant. God is here. My being, my presence, is God's presence. It is not an individual presence. Now that is important. Is that somehow there is a kind of—what can—okay, now whatever you are going to say, let's pause for a moment. Yeah. God is here now. What else can be important in relation to that?

Seeker

For God plus something. God and I want to have God, which you have because you confirm it. God is here, but...

Ananta

And then when, where—all these questions, how are they still relevant? God is here. It's not just a figure of speech. God is here. How can there be a 'but' after that? You see, because God then has been co-opted into our dictionary. Because we have the ability to confirm presence, that is the most awe-inspiring thing. The unfathomable presence, the unperceivable reality, light of God—I can confirm it, you can confirm it. What a beautiful conversation. What a rare conversation. So this is when the trickster comes and says, 'Yes, yes, but you know, this was happening before but it goes away.' And God is here. There are people who have spent lifetimes trying to get a glimpse of God, and we can confirm it. Is that not the greatest blessing, the greatest gift possible? Unless we doubt that we are only thinking that God is here, or the God that we are meeting, we don't really allow ourselves to dip into its reality and we feel like, 'Yes, but this God given is not enough, doesn't really stay. Is this really what I'm looking for?'

Ananta

Otherwise, repeat this often enough: God is here. It's not just words. It's not poetry. It's not even invoking. It is confirming. What else can stand up in importance to this? The Timeless One, the light of the universe is here. How can we be concerned about who this is happening to, that is happening, then will this stop, will it stay forever? It is here. Something must be that hypnotizes us so much that we feel like something else is also relevant in the presence of God. And this is—okay, say it. I won't say it's unimportant.

Seeker

Oh well, it's just—it is absurd somehow. And this play of clarity, not clarity, and yeah, and I don't know what to say. This is—it's just...

Ananta

Yeah, yeah. It's just mind speaking, of course. Just a—but don't accept that idea. The project is more urgent than that. The project is more urgent than that. We cannot now hide behind, 'I do recognize that it is the mind speaking, okay, but still.' There's no 'but still' now. Okay? Yeah, you recognize it. If you did not recognize it, maybe I could give you more leeway. Your God's presence is palpable to you. You recognize the voice of the mind, and yet with the little 'but still.' 'I know it's the mind, but still.' Which means what? There's still some hope that what it could be saying could be true. Please become more hopeless than that. This is the hypnosis of the mind. It says, 'Yes, it's the mind, but still.' The 'but still'—I want to give to it no value, zero value. Once you see it is the mind, it is gone, finished.

Ananta

This is my invitation to jump. Jump to a different way. Jump to the way of the heart. Don't try to juggle both. Just give it up. Jump out of the whole way. Then, out of the whole way internally. It is not about changing anything in life, but inwardly it's a complete shift. You don't need the evaluation of your mind. You don't need the judgments of your mind, and you don't need to conclude what is happening to you. It is not about you. And you have no excuse because you find God immediately. Don't try to be friends with both the head and the heart. Don't try to even say, 'Okay, now I will give two percent value to my head, ninety-eight to my heart.' This is an all-or-nothing game which can be played only moment to moment. It doesn't matter how much back and forth, how much switching and all of that. Nothing but hundred percent now. Hundred percent now.

Ananta

To bathe in the Ganga of the heart where all your sins are wiped clean is the complete truth. But the offer expires now. You cannot postpone it anymore. You cannot say, 'I will give two more minutes to my mind because it's been my friend for so long, because my heart is always going to be with me anyway.' No. The offer expires now. Everything is wiped clean. And when I say 'sins,' I'm only talking about the mistake of choosing the head over the heart. There is no other thing in the way I use the term. Yeah. So all of those errors in picking the head over our heart, picking the ego over God, it's all wiped clean instantly. But not if you don't take the offer now. You cannot save it up for tomorrow. You cannot say, 'Yes, I see it is the mind, but still,' because you have the power. You have the presence. All that is mine is yours. All that is mine is yours, and it's for all of you.

Ananta

I live on God's presence. I live this life in God's light. And whatever the mind may say and whatever the cost may be, and the faith and the trust that is here to stay, that is also for you. What is the Father's is also the child's. And I'm really—this instrument is showing up in front of you just to show you the possibility, your potential of doing this. You have to carry it like a fire in your heart and a sword in your hand. It cannot be weak in front of the mind. To be weak in front of the mind is to bow in front of the wrong one. Bow down to your heart and be a warrior to your head, not the other way around. Not anger and frustration with the heart and bowing down to the head.

Ananta

There is no other tool that the mind can use. It can only come and say, 'Now this is happening to me, and will it stop?' The only tool it has. But it has a hypnosis. It has this attractive characteristic, especially to the identities that we have nurtured. But I give you my power, I give you my strength in every way to see it for what it is and to stick to your heart. Stay with your heart. Do you want to progress spiritually or you want God? Because if you want to progress spiritually, then the mind will give you enough things which will pull you and hypnotize you. If you only want God, yeah, only want God, then nothing can pull you in.

Seeker

Yeah, I see that somehow this... these are the most difficult to let go. And somehow—can I say this? Because I feel that I keep feeling this trapped thing. But I feel that somehow it is—I need to face this. I need to... because this... I need to... I need to surrender this.

Ananta

Use this as a live experiment now. You've concluded that what you want is that you want to face this or to surrender it. It's coming up again because it needs to be seen more deeply somehow, or I don't know. Or what you want is to see it more deeply somehow. What if whatever you say you want now, let that go? Okay? Now stay in your heart. And if there is guidance from there in terms of what should happen or what you want, then just follow that. And if there's no guidance like that, then just live in the light of God. You don't have to trouble yourself with anything. Even your spiritual will is just your individual will. What I mean is that that will which is dependent on your spiritual ideas is still your individual will. It is not to follow God's will. It is not to say, 'Let Thy will be done.'

Ananta

So when we empty ourselves, this is what I mean. We may have the most glorious spiritual idea: 'This is to be done,' you see. But whose idea is it? Is it God in your heart pushing you that way? Then yes, follow it unwaveringly. But if it is your head, then it's still a distraction from your head. Because how do you know? Maybe that part of the project is already done. You've already painted that part of the painting. How do you know? Which tool in you tells you the truth about what you are and what needs to be done, if anything? And this is the way in which the mind can pose, because I am saying God is here, you are saying, 'But I have to face this.' Something—both are sounding spiritual. So what to follow? So at the risk of sounding immodest, I'm going to say that till you get guided from your heart, follow the Satguru. Yeah. Because the mind will take you as if it's a great spiritual advisor.

Seeker

But I was following my heart and now I'm trapped in this again. It is this important... I'm following this voice right now.

Ananta

Yes, and I could tell. It's good to observe it. With that much distance is also enough. This much distance is also enough where you see the comedian. Now when you imitate it like that, I am not worried because now you already see it as the comedian that it is. You see? When you take it seriously, then you are different. You see, then you sound as if you go over there, then you're not seeing it as comedy anymore. That is when I have to chop. At the minute you can make fun of it, I know you are out of the clutches. Unless that itself becomes a habit for some. That itself becomes a habit: 'Oh no, mind is saying this, it's so funny, you know.' Now it's a sort of comfortable way to still give it some value. But if I spot that, I'll tell you. But right now you're fine. Did you want God from spirituality or no? Just—sorry, what did you want from spirituality?

Seeker

God. What did I want from spirituality? I'm presuming it's God. Tell me if I'm wrong. I don't know, maybe I started because I was feeling bad or something, you know, somehow.

Ananta

Okay, but now is it not clear to you that spirituality is about God and you're still here? Yeah. Is it? Because sometimes the mind will trick us also that, 'I didn't come for this actually, I came for something else.' But okay, you could have come for whatever. Everybody—nobody... but yeah, but of course I—yeah, that, yes, yes, exactly. It became more clear that I was here for God. Yeah. Now God is here. Why are you not celebrating? You know what I'm asking? Like, how can it get better than this? This is where the trickster will come. We'll say, 'Yes, God is here, but...' You know, 'I would have had this before and it goes away.' But God is here. We deny ourselves the presence of the greatest blessing, God's presence, because the mind inserts time into it. It inserts a narrative.

Seeker

But of course, I... yeah, that, yes. Exactly. It became more clear that I was here for God. Yeah, now God is here.

Ananta

Why are you not celebrating? You know what I'm asking. Like, how can it get better than this? This is where the texture will come. We'll see. Yes, God is here, but the mind says, "You know, I would have had this before and it goes away." But God is here. We deny ourselves the presence of the greatest blessing, of God's presence, because the mind inserts time into it. It inserts a narrative. Let me see what a certainly powerful trick it is. So now, if the mind comes and offers you things, does it jump in? Chop it up. Don't. But still, drop it.

Seeker

Can I say it? Yeah, because the presence of God... it was... it's not the feeling that somehow, yes, I get used to something that is not here now. But I... sorry to speak like that. And so, yeah, and that is all. Yes, yes. I'm buying into the idea of mind again, that there is something that I need to see or to feel. This, I see.

Ananta

Yeah, we have to organize something so you come to Bangalore. Yes, as soon as you can. Let's talk more on this. I feel like I want you to come again. Yeah, this... oh, you've also been hearing the Monday and Wednesday audio recordings? Some of you are here, I'm sorry, some of you are also hearing some of the audio recordings that are coming from the Wednesday. Yeah, so, and listening to them. Yeah, but come. I feel a little bit... yes, let's do it. Yeah, do it.

Seeker

Yes, I don't know when, but yeah, in the next few months, I'm coming, I think. Thank you.

Ananta

You know what's happening in Bangalore? I'm relentlessly butchering the mind. He coined one name for me a few years back, saying I'm the Butcher of Bangalore. I'm relentlessly... so, I'm the Relentless Butcher of Bangalore, apparently. And that's a good thing. I'm taking it as a compliment. Yeah, yes, if that sounds attractive to you.

Seeker

Yeah, I actually feel that I had no other wish somehow than to be with you or to be with my master. I need this. I need some help. I need this time to spend with you, the physical presence. I feel this because I don't know.

Ananta

Let's see. Good things. You should be back soon, so maybe you can fly with her. We'll see. We'll be in touch for this. Yes, yes.

One wants to ask a practical question, Father. Practical question for the ones who traveled recently: anyone flew with the COVID certificate? Did you have to have a COVID certificate? We had to have one when we came from Europe a few weeks back, but nobody checked when we landed here. But yes, and I feel like we had plans. Test report? Vaccinations? Either the vaccination certificate or the negative test report. Anyone who flew with a COVID certificate? Vaccination certificate? Yes.

Seeker

Hello, Father. Is that the airport lounge or what is it? I totally can listen for a night and I'm in the hotel. The flight is at Lisbon. I do have a COVID vaccination certificate from a vaccine that I took in April, and I'm not sure if I can fly with it or if I need the PCR test as well. So I was wondering if you guys use the vaccination certificate like a European Union digital certificate. It's just changing flights is quite expensive and then you want to be in Bangalore, not in Lisbon.

Ananta

You just get his arms. Yes, beautiful. Um, you have the full vaccination, like a completion certificate?

Seeker

I have a certificate from the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, which is one of those required. I haven't done any boosters, but I have a COVID certificate. I messed up yesterday. Oh.

Ananta

I've been waiting. Please do. Starting to look more and more like Guruji and I in these two, in the screen. I see.

Seeker

Oh, I look more like... that's a beautiful compliment. Thank you, thank you. Something about my hair.

Ananta

Yeah, you do need to do something for dreadlocks. You can come. There is some confusion. Was that like the news? Um, yeah. Okay, simple words. Can you maybe shed some light? I doubted your feet and I bought Guruji's seed. Is that... I'll see you on Monday and also that till then, don't think about any nonsense, okay? Evaluation and duality. And thank you.

Seeker

Thank you. It's also because you were speaking quite low and maybe, maybe you said once you had two microphones. Maybe this one is better than the other, I don't know.

Ananta

No, this is the same one, the better one, but I was really whispering. So this should be better. It's because of your beard. Yeah, it's just getting in the way.

Seeker

Thank you. I just felt to make a quick picture like this because I enjoy so much what you're just getting from us somehow. Just to say, I really don't know anything and I really see how much we, I and many of us, are bargaining with God, you know? And so I love very much "It's not about you," and I love very much this is the thing for me. There's... I actually don't know what to say. I just felt to say I don't know, and I feel blessed by this collective discovery we are going through. And I really trust, I really trust I cannot do anything with my intelligence or whatever to come closer to God because He is here all the time and I'm just always looking elsewhere. So I feel more and more this... like when you say "dive in," I really feel that. But what I know I cannot dive in, it will dive. And that is to know too much.

Ananta

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I cannot decide anything. I mean, I cannot decide, I cannot evaluate about that, you know? Even this is to know too much. Even this. Yes, yes, yes. Yeah, right. And I agree, I agree.

Seeker

Thank you, because you are just the mirror we need. The mirror we need because we cannot do it. We cannot do that. Yes, thank you, thank you, thank you.

Ananta

Always happy to hear from you. Thank you. Okay, can we go to... haven't met Kelly before. Kelly, can we jump to the queue? Is it working for you? Let me try again. Ah, yes, right now. Yes. Namaste. Take your time, take your time.

Seeker

I am here for God. Thank you. I feel this needs this announcement, that I'm here. Yeah, yes, yes. Very good. I hear you. I hear you. Believe that you just please... and even if I see that there is the spiritual seeker, that is also an idea. Yes, and that wants to appear in front of you trying to search for something. Yeah, I see it and I see and I know that cannot be who I am.

Ananta

Very good, very good.

Seeker

And though there's always a voice saying, "Oh, there is not enough fire, there's not enough, you've reached a plateau," you know? There is nothing more than just being here.

Ananta

Is there something you would not do for God? I say that again: is there anything that you would not do for God?

Seeker

There's nothing to be done. Suppose there was, would there be something that you would not do? But God is here. Yes, and if God suddenly said to you, "My child, do this right now," what would you hesitate at? If this arises from the moment and it's coming from within without any separation, then that's what I follow.

Ananta

Very, very... it's that kind of final not to see that separation, you know? That God is another entity or... yes, you don't have to make sense of it. Okay? You don't have to make sense of it. It's just the emptying of you. God can unravel that in all the mysteries that are available to God, and we cannot truly conceptualize the possibility or the impossibility of something happening as far as it concerns God. So we may have an idea, but it's here or it's like that, and this you see, whatever. But God has a way of unraveling all of that which is very beautiful. So even the subtlest understanding, subtlest understanding which may have been actually helpful along the spiritual path, even that gets squeezed out of us and then we return to such an infantile innocence that we are just so much in awe every moment that nothing, nothing makes sense anymore. And nothing has to. We cannot become conclusive about anything either, including that. So I'm very touched to hear from you today, and my sister, it is already something very beautiful. If you want to add anything to what you said?

Seeker

Just a gratitude and a joy here online, all my innocence of it. I think I often respond to this inquiry: what is beyond anything that is perceivable?

Ananta

Yes, yes, yes. And that imperceptible, unperceivable light in which even the light of Consciousness is born. You are aware in this moment. You are aware at this moment without any tools, any phenomenal tools. That intuitive insight then becomes the anchor with which to live a life of faith, live a life in the way of the heart. Because when this self-knowledge is apparent to me in an unperceivable way, then I could not be under the hypnosis of the mind.

Seeker

I didn't hear the last bit.

Ananta

Because we can trust the flow that is unfolding as we live in the apparency of this self-knowledge, because my mind could never bring that knowledge, that insight which is beyond perception to me. So I know that it is my heart, and that gives us such a beautiful anchor. And we no longer need to rely on our meaning-making and sense-making because we can live in the beautiful light of the being, but even beyond that, in the apparent self-knowledge which is beyond all perception. Hmm. And there is nothing that can appear in the phenomenal world which forces us to let go of that because it does not even use our attention. It is not that I have to keep my attention fixated on it because it is not objective, so it is not attention-based.

Seeker

So it becomes an embodiment?

Ananta

It becomes an embodiment, yes. You could see that, you could see that, that we no longer rely on the ways of the head and we know that this is the way of the heart because my Self is apparent to me in the supremely mysterious way.

Seeker

It's just the prayer: may this seed and your words flourish in all of us.

Ananta

Prayer, hopefully with you in this prayer, and my full blessings to you and to all of us. Thank you again. Thank you, thank you. There are some children I meet for the first time like this, but I feel like they are forever. Namaste.

Seeker

Namaste. I don't really know what to say. I... there was so much sorrow in my heart at the beginning, but it just came out. It's just so much longing to be with you. Yes, like always, always with you every moment, every second. And I don't really know how much remains from this "me." I think you know it, I don't know it. But well, I don't know it is unimportant.

Ananta

I don't want to not know because if I laugh after, I forget everything and I just... I just want to finish this because... but I feel... how important is it to know the unimportant? I just thought until this "me" is here, it should be burned forever. I entirely... exactly. Sorry, it's unimportant. Yeah, yeah.

Seeker

I said sometimes I just feel alone. I'm standing on my own funeral or... yeah, yeah. This is important. I do not... this kind of what to do or what not to do, should do or not, not the important base. I did disturbing.

Ananta

God doesn't care about the non-existent one, and the non-existent one is not existent enough to care. So nobody cares.

Seeker

I didn't understand this. Do you understand God?

Ananta

Yes. Too busy being God to care about that which doesn't exist. The non-existent one doesn't exist, so how could it care?

Seeker

Okay, I did not understand this one, just the last sentence. I'm just fighting not to laugh because nobody cares. I don't touch it and it's nothing about me. Okay. But I'm sure, my brother... I am really worried about my brother.

Ananta

And if you, when you ask that one worries about the brother, the one that worries about the brother, nobody worries about her. After another... I was going to Bangalore in November, you know? Yes, I don't have a vaccination at all. I am really scared from this kind of function and it was so much doubt in my head because, you know, I should have a PCR test 72 hours before and I was thinking about that so much. Thought about flight tickets and stuff and we zoom, and what if everything is just, you know, canceled by a positive COVID test? So I was so much thinking about this, how to do it or do it or not do.

Seeker

After another, I was going to Bangalore in November, you know. Yes, I don't have a vaccination at all. I am really scared from this kind of function and it was so much doubt in my head because, you know, I should have a PCR test 72 hours before. I was thinking about that so much, about flight tickets and stuff and Zoom, and what if everything is just, you know, canceled by a positive COVID test? So I was so much thinking about this: how to do it or do it or not do it, or give it to God or... and suddenly I got into the COVID and I get it. And after, I was so weak and stuff and I said, 'Okay, God doesn't want me to go.' Like, I was caring for a minute there. I was very surprised by the ending of the story. The problem went away because I got COVID and now I'm over it and now I can just travel easily. But no, apparently the story... I just said to myself that maybe it's enough to be sitting here.

Ananta

At the same time, I just wish to always remember this, always, that it is fully unimportant. I just throw it away; nobody cares. Like before, meeting this with so much openness and laughter, because otherwise to the mind this can seem super strong. In the way you always meet what I tell you, which is actually a very strong medicine, but I'm always appreciative of her openness, right? Thank you for being with us. Thank you.

Ananta

Once you asked me what the dog is doing next to you. You supposed this is not a dog there, but there was a dog. Many times, are you sure it is not important? He was waiting for that. Let's see. What are all these books behind you? Are there books? This one... actually, I was growing up in this house. I am in a village now, not in Budapest. And I don't know really, I never... but I didn't sit in this position. I don't want to seem to be so clever to sit inside the position of the sofa; it just ruined the whole philosopher image. Thank you so much.

Seeker

In this conversation, I'll have to light the fire again. I really don't know what to say to you. I come here in front of you; sometimes I don't even know why I come to the head, but I come because of the heart. That's all I know. The head freaks out and it has agendas and all that, but something wants to say that actually you are my heart. I don't know what else to say to you. This is already so much and it's not important; nothing is important. I see that. But in my life, this whole thing of there's a part which is going on following an agenda which is of the head, but there's a guilt where you're following the head agenda and yet I come here before you.

Ananta

Yes, so this is a very common tactic from the mind and we've discussed this a few times. Suppose you realize that it's only under the hypnosis of a thought does the Self seem to not be apparent to you, does your heart seem to not be apparent to you. So then what we say is that we are going to take a fast; we are going to go on a fast. We are not going to consume any of these thoughts anymore. So first what happens is that the mind sends us some very light-seeming thought, more like salad thoughts. You're on a fast but it's a salad; you can eat it, how can it hurt you? You see, something like that. But once you eat the salad, then it sends a dessert. It says, 'See, you were supposed to be on a fast. How did you eat the salad?' You see? So that one, that one has much more calories of identification.

Ananta

First, forget about the guilt. All your guilt, everything is washed away if you retreat into your heart immediately. But remember that this offer expires now. You cannot use it for a future use. Otherwise, the tendency is to say, 'Okay, now this is very convenient because I can just come into my heart anytime.' So that means right now I can belong to the falseness, I can follow the mind, you see? But no, it's not true. It has to be done now. This is the crunch time. This is the moment right now. It's all gone. It doesn't matter what happened before this. You're with God, you are in God's light, all is quite clean. You're like an infant that is just born. Now you stay. All right?

Ananta

It's crazy. Someone did something very beautiful recently and they were saying that in the Bible, John the Baptist used to baptize in the holy water of the River Jordan, but then Jesus came along and he used to baptize in the Holy Spirit of the heart. You were born again in your heart instantly with the power of the presence that is there. But you cannot postpone this.

Seeker

I really don't know what to do, what to say. It's unimportant too. I just wish that may your presence stay with me, with my life, that this long affair with you or with the heart, by God's grace, stay here. Thank you so much.

Ananta

Thank you. Sometimes what happens is that in this seeming journey from head to heart, sometimes as we are tasting the beauty of the way of the heart, there's so much—can't even call it joy—beyond joy, just such a different way to live. And then our momentary visits or a little bit of escapades and adventures into the way of the head, they can seemingly cause a lot of trouble with this like one-two punch, like he was saying, with the guilt coming and things like this.

Ananta

But the good news is that we can anchor ourselves in our heart, in the beautiful Self-knowledge which is apparent to us. And even if that seems a little abstract for some of you, you can just hang on to the presence of being, because you could not delude yourself when you are in front of the presence of your being. So that magnet is available with us, that anchor is available with us, which is such a great blessing. So then in that instant, all that is happening, everything in the past, all of that becomes unimportant. The mind will still try to push some narrative like a drug. It is saying, 'Come, come now. Don't go to... I got something that will make you feel better. We'll make a nice story out of this awesome misery like we used to in the old days.' But now that way of life, the way of the head, will start seeming too alien to us, too different. And we don't want to live in that familiar sort of suffering just because it is familiar. A little bit of a roller coaster is all right, but your anchor is in your heart. Is there a 'but' still?

Seeker

No, no. Like, I feel to say, you know, like nothing remains here, Father, other than the presence of being. Like, I don't know anything and like nothing left, really nothing left which my mind also can hold on to. Nothing left. This is a little battle for me for now because, yeah, there is only one thing that I can do: just be here. And I don't know, I think I was resisting to this and my days are passing by this resistance to accept this simple thing, actually.

Ananta

Yes, yes. And all this burning is auspicious because in this kitchen, in this tension between head and heart, only the ego gets burned. Only the ego gets burned and sacrificed as we are going through this—I don't like the term so much, but I'll use it for now—which is this transition period from head to heart. Sometimes the friction can happen, but the good news is that that burning is very auspicious because it burns only the false.

Seeker

For four days actually, I don't live in Guruji or do meditation and yet I don't want to say it's the guilt or something, but all day I'm just on Instagram. Like, I really just lay down, do nothing, full of Instagram. Like nothing, nothing, and boom, scroll.

Ananta

Yeah, I think there's a term for that called doom scrolling. Is it like this? What? That's okay, it's not important.

Seeker

I don't know. I just wanted to share because days are passing like this for two weeks actually. I'm just doing nothing like, yeah.

Ananta

As long as you... whatever has happened in the past has happened in the past. But now you have to fully come back to your heart. How is all of a sudden today? Yes, now. Now I say you have to fully return to your heart. And you can smell your heart now. You can smell your heart now. So unless your heart guides you and says spend your time on Instagram, don't do it. Spend your time on Instagram or whatever the social media thing—follow your heart. If it says spend your whole day on Instagram, then only then do... does it seem like a sacrifice? Does it sound like...

Seeker

No, I didn't understand what you just said.

Ananta

I said it doesn't matter that now you can hear what I can hear. I have some problem with understanding, but yeah, I can understand that.

Ananta

Yes, so you said that you're not within satsang, you've only been on Instagram already. So what I'm telling you is that it doesn't matter what has happened in the past. Now, now stay in God's light in your heart, which you can tangibly confirm now because you've been in long enough. So stay in that light, and in the light of God's presence, everything can unfold naturally. It means the presence itself can direct the action, and it is directing the whole universe anyway. But in the time where you feel like you need a decision—should I go to Instagram or not?—you can check in with your heart, you see? And if you don't get an answer, then stay quiet. So that is the way to live in faith, to live in the heart. There's nothing too small or too big to take to God. Sometimes you can feel like, 'How can I take Instagram to God?' No, because Instagram has taken two weeks away from God, so you can take Instagram to God.

Seeker

Yes, I think I don't understand English. This English I don't understand what you say. I don't know.

Ananta

So what you could do is you could re-watch the recording and I was confusing them, then we can talk again. Because many times it is not the English, actually, but it's the mind which doesn't want you to hear. That is why recordings are also helpful, because you re-watch it as long as the audio was clear. Can everybody else indicate to me that the audio was fine as I was just... yeah, it becomes... we've seen this for so long and Guruji has talked about it also so long, that the mind will just... most of my kids in terms have told me at various times that 'I can't hear you, I cannot understand.' So that is one good thing about technology at least, that we have the recording and I feel like the instructions were pretty clear. So you could hear, re-hear those and see if there's trouble after that.

Ananta

Where did you go in the pause?

Seeker

I don't know. I just thought, yeah.

Ananta

That's a very big statement actually, if you said what I heard, which was that 'I just thought.' Did you say that? Yeah, that's it. That's it.

Ananta

Just actually, somebody says they have low battery so they're exiting. I also feel like it's a bit right now, so let's quickly hear what others are saying. Yeah, I will also have a low battery exit. Let's go to Sumit.

Seeker

Hello, Namaste Father. Yeah, it has been a few months since I spoke to you, so I just wanted to come up and say hello and thank you. Since last few sessions, you have been kind of inviting us to leave the answer spirituality and to offer ourselves fully. So my prayer is that you grant me the courage and the wisdom to value what is on the offer. And I joined you in this video, and if it is the highest, be apparent to you and may you have the courage and the strength to follow your heart no matter what. So it's not no conditions and surroundings maybe like this. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Ananta

Let's go to Shweta.

Seeker

Hi Father. I don't have anything to say but just felt like coming up after this instruction from you, Father. Something last time, somehow I feel that the power of my mind has come down. Yes, most of the time I don't take my mind seriously and then even if something happens and then when this guilt comes, even I can see that it's the second punch of my mind. God's will. Yes, yes. Then don't take seriously how this body behaves. Yes, I think this is very good. You can keep going like this. I already see and your report tells me.

Seeker

It just felt like coming up after this instruction from your Father. Something last time, somehow I feel that the power of my mind has come down. Yes, most of the time I don't take my mind seriously and then even if something happens and then when this skill comes, even I can't see that it's the second punch of my mind. God's will.

Ananta

Ah, yes, yes. Then don't take seriously how this body behaves. Yes, I think this is very good. You can keep going like this. I already see, and your report tells me that it is. If you're grateful for your full blessings, we move along before the battery was completely dominant. Yeah, very good.

Seeker

Pranam, my dear Father. I felt that I have to make a confession. Yes, like because you mentioned a few times today about postponing and that your instructions are for now, they like you said something like they expire like this. And there's a constant habit that I have to, you know, even by listening to the satsang, I know like I can rewatch it. Like now I can, you know, do some things, not pay attention, just you know, and I constantly do this. I don't know what to say more.

Ananta

Yeah, subtle resistance is from the mind which it doesn't seem like resistances sometimes. So yes, thank you. Thank you for everything and very happy to be here.

Seeker

Very, very happy. I'm very happy to have you here. You have a daughter as well?

Ananta

Yes, I have three kids and two sons and one daughter. To all of them, to your whole family, all my love. Thank you again. Ah, there you go.

Seeker

Yeah, for example, like I felt that some, like it's from God that to raise my hand, but I'm not sure if the ego just wants attention or I don't know. But on the other hand, it's something in my heart that I don't know, just want to, I don't know, to stay in my own idea and to say, 'Oh, I'm good, I'm doing good' and not to...

Ananta

So if I ask you, are you living in God's light, what would you answer me?

Seeker

Yes. Do you feel like something gets in your way? Um, some, you spoke about that seeming, seemingly decision or like life presenting, yes. And when it comes like some situations and somehow the position like, yes, I go, maybe I know I'm not clear in that times about who I am.

Ananta

I see. So if you're saying that when these times to make seemingly important decisions or life decisions comes, then it seems like you may refer back to the head? Exactly. Um, yeah, sometimes yes. Yes, so to notice that already is good. But remember that all guidance, all that we need to know, everything can appear also from the greater intelligence which is, you know, intuitive insight, the Satguru presence. And you never have to feel like that cannot speak or that cannot take action because the sharing of satsang is evidence for you to show you how the heart can use this instrument of the body. So in the same way, all of life can be run from the heart, from your intuitive intelligence, and even the decisions, especially the decisions which the mind says, 'No, no, this one we have to figure out like conceptually, God can't do it.' You know, it won't say God can't do it, they'll say, 'No, no, this is either too small or too big to really leave it to the heart.' May these words be a reminder to you not to waver from your heart, from your intuitive presence, even no matter what the circumstances may be. And if you do end up going to your head, not to beat yourself up about it, but to return into your heart.

Seeker

Something is like I feel like it's a censorship or like if I'm doing what is in my heart, maybe I will be too bold or maybe I'll be considered arrogant or maybe what I'm doing like what I feel in my heart. And after this episode or this section, mind came very strongly to be self-image job and the next time I say, 'Oh, if I'm doing this, mind will come and will beat me up' and because of this I'm not doing this.

Ananta

So yes, so this is the mind's trick actually. The mind can never beat you up. It can just offer you things with which you beat yourself up. You see, the mind is just a bundle of thoughts, so it has no capacity to beat you up. But it does make those proposals saying that, 'No, no, but this was you're being arrogant' or 'You are being disrespectful' or 'You're being whatever.' These judgments can come. But you have my word on this, trust me on this, that you have to follow your heart unwaveringly, as strange as the heart's guidance may seem. So don't allow your mind to come in and make judgments about you because you're doing it on my behalf. Okay? Look at it this way: if you're doing it on my behalf, when you follow your heart, you're doing it on my behalf. So if the mind has to take up some problem with someone, let it take it up with me. You are not being arrogant, I am being arrogant. You are not doing whatever, it's mine too. You're under my safety when you follow your heart. So everything you do from your heart, I am responsible for it. And if someone is distributed, then it is me. If somebody is being arrogant, it is me. Everything then belongs to me. It's no longer your problem to worry about it. This goes for everyone. You have done your job by going to your heart, the rest of it is none of your business.

Seeker

And for example, in some days action come like to be fully in this life, somehow what is inside it's outside somehow. And in some days it's like no action at all, it's like retreating from everyone else. And I'm not sure if in that moment I'm doing the right thing because not to be like in the idea of spiritual, 'Oh, I'm sitting all day and the world is not real' but yes.

Ananta

So the question of right and wrong and good and bad cannot be resolved in the intellect ever. For thousands and thousands of years, the smartest intellects in the world have tried to resolve this, what is good and what is bad and what is right and what is wrong, but it is unresolvable over there. So then the only strong foundation we can have in our lives is when we follow something clearly and unwaveringly, even if the instruction doesn't make sense or what is appearing in the light of God's presence naturally doesn't make sense to the mind. You have to follow that and that is your strength of your foundation there. That without being concerned with all the interpretation and judgment from the mind, you can just follow your heart and that is the only right and that is the only good. But as you get used to it, it'll seem easy as well. And the heart can work both ways. Like, was it yesterday I was saying that yesterday I didn't have any intention, I felt like I will work from home and then suddenly I just felt guided in the heart to go to the office. So then certainly yes, I got up, had a bath and left for the office. I went there and the second part of the story I was saying even yesterday is not important, but because it worked out in this way I'm going to share it. As I went to the office and I went to my room, I met somebody who came to meet my wife and she was somebody who came to satsang like seven, eight years back she would come, and we were both so sweetly surprised to see each other. So it was very beautiful, it worked out so nicely. But I'm saying that follow the heart even when these things don't have to happen necessarily. Trust it, because sometimes, in fact all the times, the reasons that are rational or intellect can make about these things can never really fathom what anything is for. So trust your heart. So if it says to lie down, then lie down. If it says to you, 'Go do this,' then go do this. If it doesn't say anything at all, remain in the light of the presence and allow it, allow the action directly to happen in that light without the intervention of your mind. That's actually a very simple way to live. Okay, I feel like I'm going to have to end now because clearly I can sense the body is losing all...