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Duality Is Not An Experience - 9th Dec 2018

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Ananta challenges the persistent identification with the 'conveyor belt' of thoughts and labels. He points out that the true, colorless Self is already free and apparent, requiring only the dropping of the imagined individual identity.

The only true reference to 'I' is to make no reference at all.
Everything that you think is true about yourself was picked up at some time.
You are free right now. I am telling you that you are this free being right now.

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Transcript

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Ananta

Namaste. We have no electricity in this part of the hospital, so if the computer goes off, the broadcast goes off because the battery is gone. The internet is bad, the light is bad, everything today—everything phenomenal today—is bad. The Self remains the same, then what? It's like everything in this world is on a conveyor belt. Objects of perception, sometimes they seem like they come closer as we compose, seem to me to go off again. Our emotions or sensations, pain and pleasure, everything is like on a conveyor belt. But there is one conveyor belt which is especially troublesome: it is the conveyor belt of thoughts. Because what is this conveyor belt? This is the conveyor belt of labels. It is labeling everything. Everything has a label. And when we start picking up from this conveyor belt, we imagine ourselves to be something that we are not. We give ourselves a label which is 'me.' But without this reference, what are you? Without any labels, what are you? It's true, no? So anyway, we can see that the only true reference to identity is to make no reference. Otherwise, you can tell me what you are referring to.

Ananta

Now, what happens is the mind will take you on a sidetrack. It says, 'Every time I'm asked this question "Who am I?" this is what happens to me.' What happened there? You picked up a reference which is 'me' again. And I inquire: whatever makes you pick up a reference to yourself without your actual seeing of yourself? It's just a trained reference. It's just a presumption. But the sound of the generator coming is just the whole building without electricity; they have generators. This 'Who am I?' must be the prerequisite before you can say 'I want this,' 'I don't want this,' 'I am like this,' 'not like this.' And somehow you don't ask yourself this, yet you are convinced that we are this body-mind and we're willing to continue with a presumption and keep perpetuating this notion even in spirituality. So how did you pick out one object from the entire world of perception and say, 'Just this is me and the rest isn't'?

Ananta

Did this come back to you? And the funny thing is that we don't even leave it at that. If it was just about this body, then every cell in this body is changing. Five years back, you had none of the cells that are here now, but still you say, 'I was born on this particular day.' But you have nothing in common with that baby. So it's not even that the body that you identify with; it is just an 'I.' And then, few in this world want to question themselves in this way because it attacks the very root of our identity. And suddenly things start to feel a little like this room: no light, no air, everything starts to get a bit stuffy. 'What am I getting asking myself Who am I?' Because we start looking for the true 'I' and also falsity becomes a pattern. 'I believe myself to be this, I believed myself to be that.' And you start to see that they are just thoughts, they are ideas. Everything that you think is true about yourself was picked up at some time. But what were you before that? What are you right now?

Ananta

Where do we go for these answers? Usually, we go to the same merchant who sold us all the previous stories. 'What do you think about this, mind?' And what does this guy say? He says, 'Your job is just to live in the moment' or 'Your job is just to whatever.' Some strategies are employed. But who is it about? That pattern? Because the mind is an instrument which can tell you about things in time and space. And I just make a conclusion that something is not in time and space. But what is that which is not in time and space? What is that 'no-thing' and yet not nothing? And many of us in spirituality are still waiting for a time when my mind says it is a time for me, then I will be free. The Master can come every day and say, 'You are free right now. Right now you are free.' 'No, no, I will wait for the mind's certificate.' And then the game of 'I am free, but...' starts. 'I'm free, but I use it.' 'I'm free, but I can't feel.' 'I'm free, but how am I not like you?' These are the usual ones. Are they really so strong, these objections, these doubts, that you have to bind to them right now?

Ananta

Now, where will we go back to? What do you think about that? Are you happy to be a slave to this mind? This made-up prison which is made up of mind, intellect, this or that, yes or no, true or false, right or wrong, up or down? There is all of this stuff: past or future, doing or not doing, wanting and not wanting. Who is all this about? Who are you? And every time the mind will say, 'But this is too intellectual.' But it's so opposite of intellectual in a way, because I'm saying don't infer anything, don't compute anything, don't figure it out. Just look and tell me who you are. And it is especially irritating to many of you when I say that the truth is completely apparent to you right now. Because the mind will come and say, 'But what do you mean? Nothing is apparent to me.' It made it to you. So when they decide that the Buddha-nature is never concealed, we're still hoping to find it in some way. Recently, then, it must be concealed. What is here now just naturally? What is apparent?

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Ananta

So, why only interesting is this: if you want to talk about the past, if you want to live with predictions about the future, now every shop in the world is for that. If you have this longing in your heart, a sense to discover something which is alive in the present right now, we are very happy to look together. Not so much interesting as to the vacation, our fantasy vacation, what we think we know but we actually have no idea about. And the world is a playground. You are free to play as much as you like with it, but don't expect some of your friends will not download this play. And it can feel a bit frustrating when you call them and say, 'Come, come play like this with me.' But in some, we find that there is no interest like that. Just like you are playing on the monkey bars. If something was missing, after looking you found that there is something missing in the now, then you'll have license. If you can tell me what is missing when we're looking into the truth, then the reply is, 'Because I never made the effort.' The truth which we are looking for, presumably, if it is not there upon looking, then let's play. But at least let's say where our starting point is.

Ananta

Sometimes in the satsang, it's as if I was a genie that came before you, but you had only one wish. What would you want? What did you want? Let's go one by one. In fact, what do you want? The only thing. Don't know what you want? But God, really think now. I don't want anything? I don't know. But all the other times: freedom. I wish I had nothing. Freedom is happiness. Rest. Happiness inside. Happiness from things. At the end, maybe I want to realize my true potential. Probably do something. True potential. Peace. Self-realization. Always to be at your feet. Moksha. To know myself. Realization. Real business. No identity. Self-doubt—you don't want self-doubt.

Ananta

So we are convinced that all of these things that we want—freedom, happiness, true potential, truth, moksha, self-realization, freedom from self-doubt, to be happy from the inside, this happiness overall—is something that we have to get or seek to find. Could be. But what I'm asking is: is it not here now already? And what I'm proposing on top of that is that what is not here already is not true. What is not here already is not true; it is just a fantasy. That which comes and goes is not the truth. Okay, this is not bad, this is there, but you have to realize it. Yeah, so it's here, but we haven't yet realized it. Not a bad place to start. So what would this realization be? What will it look like? It's just your soul is already happy and free. So the one that isn't is which one? Is your mind identification with the body.

Ananta

Now, suppose this genie said, 'Done.' But then with one condition: you still have the power to believe that you are bound. You are free right now, but you have not lost your power to fool yourself. So when the mind comes and tells you the story of your bondage, all you have to do is not buy into it. In the reality of fear, then what happened? In fact, the genesis of a bigger truth is that right now, in this very moment, you are the most magnificent being. In fact, this entire world only shines in your light. But if you doubt yourself, if you make an interpretation about yourself, you still see yourself as an object, this body-mind. So this is the gift that they're dealing with you. What are you going to do with that?

Ananta

I'm not saying anything, but I'm thinking 'but.' They're linear 'buts,' but you're not catching them. They're on the conveyor belt, but you are not picking up anybody else's bag. Okay, wait. How is it possible? How is it possible to not buy it? But you don't buy most of them. You don't buy, yeah. Among the two, there is one which is: how is it possible to drop what the mind is selling? Among the few, one is the one that says, 'How is it possible?' Is it not just a thought? It says it's impossible to not buy what the mind is selling. It's just a thought. How do you know it is a thought? Because it is not always there. It also comes and goes. It is a message. Is it actually here? Are you actually born into this moment already believing that it's not possible to not buy every thought? Actually, you are as innocent as an infant. But it comes today: 'It's not possible.' But before it came, what was it? This thought comes, after it goes, another thought comes. The thought could also come and say, 'It is possible that now I'm going to do it.' That is also a thought that you picked up.

Ananta

So all these things are plural; they're coming and going, they're changing. What is naturally just here? Okay, don't give up on everything. Don't be open a little. Just give up on every thought that implies some meaning to 'I.' Now, this mind is not going to let you go so easily. It will keep offering you things. It's like this restless thing. And then it says, 'It's possible, I can do it.' Then later, 'It's impossible, how is it even possible?' And then later, 'It could be I'm almost there, just about there.' Then later, it could also be, 'You got it, man, it's simple, it's so natural.' So please don't let this mind then tell me later, 'No, it's just not possible.' You see? So this is the donkey. The Master says to recognize the donkey, don't ride on it. But some will try to ride on the donkey to get off the donkey. And then the mind itself offers up solutions to get rid of the mind. And especially with reports that now you are 90% off the donkey, but sometimes you still get on the donkey. And who's speaking that? The donkey is whichever animal you like—monkey, no?

Ananta

He said that I have to recognize it. It is here. My Self is here. Or he said this soul is real, and this soul is happy, it is free, but I have to recognize it. Whose voice is this one? If this soul is here, who else is here? Is there are the two of you, the soul and the 'me'? And then the 'me' has to recognize the soul and then the 'me' becomes free? When you look at the two, the one that is looking at the soul, which one is that one? The one that is giving these words, which one is that? Is this soul here? No one else is here. And only the second remains. And it is not just inferences, but what you are here to see is that this itself is self-recognition. I am looking at the world. This 'I' is which one? Is it formless or does it have a form? And what knows that 'I' is looking at the world? What is the awareness even of this 'I'? This is the guts of it. But for the mind, it is the most pointless. 'What will I get if I find this? What is the point of this? And how will it change this life?' The truth is much simpler than all of this. Is it a seen? Look at the formless. Is that all? And all this out, including that what...

Ananta

I am looking at the world. This eye is with one formless order. And what knows that 'I' is looking at the world? What is the... where is even that? This is the guts of it. But for the mind, it is the most pointless. 'What will I get if I find this? What is the point of this? And how will you change this?' You know, we would like it. The truth is much simpler than it is. Is it a sin? Look, a lot of people say, 'Brahman is that all and on this out, including that.' What do you know? Not more difficult. Realization is more difficult? What is simpler? You said, 'Silver object on the drum and the couch.' What is the plural? I recognize it. I recognize it. So simply said, 'I recognize it.' So you're making it up? No, because I recognize it. How to say 'I' is unknown to me? You go in the mind, you lose me here completely. Start hearing some blah-blah because I, being led to the simplicity, will be asked to go beyond. Just put your mind the same. Something has to just start again.

Ananta

Silver object on the drum and on the couch. Simple. I said, 'What is simpler than that?' She said that, 'I see this all. I recognize this.' This is it. I said, 'Are you just making this up?' No, of course it is true. I recognize it. So if it is true, 'I recognize this,' then how you say that the 'I' is unknown to me? So this 'I' that recognizes it, are you making it up? What do you know about it? Is it here? Yeah, but is it here spatially? So not here and there. Here, but here in the sense that it is... what is it? What is its color? What is its size? How old is it? So this 'I' which is colorless, sizeless, ageless, empty of all phenomena, how are you aware of it? Is this influence? You are it. Then what are you looking for? How can you lose this that now you have to find it? What is missing is just our idea of what self-realization is. Change with me. Where are the eyelids? Where are the chakras? Little by little, we see these, and in the grasping after them, even if they were going to come, they don't. I'm not a geek. The thing has to come within this. Grasping after this, rather than staying with Sat, we start running after Ananda and chakras for what?

Ananta

So this 'I' which you say is so mysterious—'I'm looking for who I am, I want to recognize who I am'—I ask you, are you aware now? You confirm that, 'Uh-huh, I am.' Okay, so let's start it differently. Are you thinking at the moment? You are here. So you saw that there was a feeling like some heat. So then how is it? Is this room light or dark? Because this is a perception of it. Then is it the thought passing through your head right now? It's a quick... okay. So you saw them. You had the perception of all of these and you said yes or no. Are you aware now? Yes. What you saw to confirm it? Didn't see anything. Because you say itself, it is not, as I say, color, quality, any sort of attributes. Now how you say yes? Is there a red mobile phone on this couch where the hand was? No, I see. Is there a bright source of light on this leg of the couch? Didn't see. So you said no. This awareness you can't see, and yet you say yes. What magic is this?

Ananta

And this is why the mind does not give you this certificate. It says, 'Until you have an experience that confirms yourself, you have not recognized yourself.' But it is not an object of experience as you, you yourself, are saying. It is an experience without experience. What is that which is aware? It's trying to induce the body awareness. Who is aware that awareness is aware? Is there a duality there? Duality there? Who can now make this claim that, 'Ah, and this is the way'? Start. The mind is not incidents now because I know many of you will be making this conclusion. I just have to stay in this or stay with it. What I want you to do is throw it out. Instead of trying to stay with it, throw it out. Throw it away for one moment. Whoever succeeds gets a prize. We're working through awareness. Or become unaware for one moment, gets a special prize.

Ananta

Don't, don't be the witness. This, see, because the technique question, as you know... but even to say that, 'Yes, I was unaware,' is actually saying that, 'Yes, I was aware that I was unaware.' So this is the escape. Now this one that is shapeless, sizeless, does not come and go, is neither eating nor nothing, is not subject to time and space—did you want it to be something else? To tell you know that it had to be a part of... it had to be a part of you. The Self has to be a part of you. It has to be a part of reach you. The dream mean reality has to be a part of that. This is absolutely of the mental offerings.

Ananta

Did you expect that you will look for yourself and you will find like the Holocaust or that supernatural ability or something like that? It is right beyond that. That which is without attributes, without shape, size, color, does not age, does not come and go—that is this very subject on the basis of your very existence. It is so naturally here. So it is not the realization or the recognition of this that is actually difficult. It is a letting go of what we have thought we are. A letting go of the idea of even what this means to me that we can now find.

Seeker

People that believe in the existence of this individual...

Ananta

Yes, he says very good. He said there's a deep-rooted belief in the existence of the individual. But it's good to see that it's just a belief. So, and what actually can you believe? So I've been asking some of them this, like, believe this, believe it. Nothing to believe, and yet it is apparent really. So what could you believe? You could believe, for example, that yellow is a good color, or this is a poster or glass. So that's a notion about it which you could believe. So all beliefs are just about notions, and this individual is just a notion. So there is a deep-rooted belief in the existence of this notion. And that's why Bhagavan called it the 'I-thought.' It is just a thought.

Ananta

Even a perception itself cannot be believed or disbelieved. It is just an interpretation of it. So to interpret what is, is the birth of the notion of life. So then it is not as deep-rooted as we think it is. Because on the conveyor belt of the mind came this idea, 'It is actually very deep-rooted.' Okay, let me pick it up. Well, are bad? But actually, again, because it was somebody else's back. If it were deep-rooted, it would naturally be here now. I can promise you right now, right now, now you are empty of it. Now we give you all... I know that also, that if I give you a minute to think about it, you will see much. But it's here easy. But it is not. It is so shallowly rooted that we cannot select this now. Before the 'but' comes, you are. See, this belief is gone. So every moment is the opportunity to see that you have seen.

Ananta

But thinking that you are, and this individual is not even an object of perception like this. And another, even that proposition was it, that this will work better for me if it was like this. The point is that I want to break you in this mental hole which tells you that you are this bound individual right now and you have to get to freedom. I am telling you that you are this free being right now, just pretending as if you are an individual. In fact, to go greater and say that you are God, well, that is just drawing boundaries around yourself. You bring these actions. So the fight is, despite the Ram, thinking you are so great, you're so great, you say, 'No, no, I'm just this tiny object.' It's a very strange fight to have. You leave the world, you're trying to fight and show how great you are. 'Don't you know who I am?' to jump. I mean, I am saying that you are all that is. You say, 'No, no, show me the person. Where is it? What does it look like? The one who is the money in the bank? The one that has a manager there at work? Or the one that doesn't have the money in the bank?' What, please?

Ananta

Who has high relationships? Has a relationship now, wants a relationship? Even the one that wants freedom—show me. Where is it? To the body sitting here? If it was ten rupees in the bank or one thousand rupees in the bank, that would just be the way it is here. The body that is sitting here is not concerned about how good or bad your boss is. So which one is this person? Okay, I have created... you have to create him. You have to create a version of him, a narrative of him, but you cannot actually create him. To create a belief, that's what we were talking about. You can create a belief system about it, just like you can create a belief system about anything. You can invent the character right now in your head. You can say, 'There once was a man who lived and he had this challenge, that challenge.' Enough notions about him, you start to get attached to this character. In a way, that's what we have done.

Ananta

This character itself, tangibly, substantively, or even phenomenally, is the second-level delusion. Like we said, the body I'm concerned about tomorrow is to do so. The one who has this timeline, that one we cannot find, although we can be as if it is real. As if you are. Are you willing to give up on this investment? Because what holds us back is many times it's, 'But I have invested so long with this identity. Let me get it to its glorious end. Let me make it a super sage and then I was told this is the glorious.' But what if your sage-liness, more naturally presented, that it was not the car that took some becoming? And in fact, it was the dropping of this idea of becoming that would make your sage-liness more apparent. What if you could meet yourself without judging eyes?

Ananta

Thank you all so much for being an attentive Satguru. Mooji Baba Ki Jai. Guru Kripa Kevalam.