Don't Pick Up the Seeker and Don't Pick Up the Finder- Jan. 6, 2015

Let's say that every moment in your life will be uncomfortable appearances. No fun experiences will come after this. Only things which seem to be something that you would not have ordered in the menu of life. If the menu of life had given you these options, you would never have ordered this dish. And suppose life is only dishing out these experiences, the most uncomfortable ones. Are you okay with this? Nothing goes according to plan. Suppose after the satsang nothing goes according to plan, then are you okay? So who's nodding now? Oh, the nods have become a little less vigorous.

Then if this is true, this is true, then nothing can trouble you. This is the end of suffering then, because then you'll stop this habit of trying to or pretending to control life, pretending to control our experience. Everything is allowed. Because you must not have this misconception that the appearance becomes all chocolate-flavored once we are free. If this expectation still remains, then that means that we are not free. Ultimately we are always free, but this pretend bondage that we are talking about still remains if you have an expectation that my freedom should be this way, a certain way. So drop this idea that I can plan my life or I can control my life. First find this 'I' who wants to plan or control.

Omati said something very nice yesterday. We were chatting last night and she said, 'Yeah, I get this. I get awareness, I get even the sense of beingness, but this person, you know, when you ask for the person, I cannot find it.' That's the whole point, you see, because it does not exist. So the point of the inquiry is to see that I cannot find this person. Yet we pretend that we are this person. Why do we pretend to be this person if we cannot find it? Then if there is no person, then who can have a plan? The world looks up to the man with the plan and looks down upon the man with no plan. But suppose that all plans—it was clear to everyone that there is nothing to plan. Suppose that there was not a single chocolate-flavored moment left in your experience. Not one moment of joy. I didn't plan for this to be a morose satsang, it's just coming out like this.

But this is your true strength: to discover your true nature which is unconcerned even with peace and joy. Otherwise there's too much hankering for states. 'I want to be in bliss. I want to be in joy. Joy came yesterday but today it's gone. Peace—so much peace was there yesterday in satsang and then I met this person who I have always hated and my whole satsang was blown.' Because there's so many of these testimonies. Then we must look at this: are we going to be dependent on these states? Are we always going to be chasing one state or another? How much joy do you need? Joy, joy, full of joy—then how long? It'll get boring, trust me. You always need the contrasting taste. See, too much sweet all the time, you say, 'Stop, I can't eat any more chocolate. I want to change my taste.' You come back to that beautiful neutrality and then you're ready again for a fresh taste.

Okay, there's a lot of chat. Okay, I don't feel I'll be able to read all the chat messages, but let me pick up on one of them. Loni said, 'Pretending to be this person is also written on the pages of life's book until the chapter is reached where it is changed.' Yes, if you accept this, then actually no trouble. If you see that all of this is also God's will, then no trouble. Even trouble means no trouble then, if you see that it's all God's will. So in that you say that in the chapter of this life, it seems to be that this being has to pretend to be a person, and this expression which is appearing in satsang has to keep reminding you that you are not a person. So I don't see any trouble with this relationship.

See, this is the way. This is Consciousness's divine play. This is the play of God. If you truly believe this in your heart, then you will not resist anything. If this is coming from your heart, then you will not resist anything and all will be allowed. And in this simple allowing, there can be no suffering. You cannot suffer without resisting.

Tara says, 'What is enlightenment?' What is enlightenment? Enlightenment is just the simple seeing that there is no person, there is no separation, and the light of being constantly shines effortlessly. And ultimately I am the awareness even of this light of being. There is no person, there is no separation, there is no ego. The light of being, the light of 'I am,' the light of Consciousness is ever-present, effortless, and I am the unchanging awareness of even Consciousness coming and going. Simply we can say that this is enlightenment. Enlightenment actually does not change anything. It is only the dropping of belief in the person, dropping of belief in the ego. That's why it's completely possible now. Completely possible now.

You can do, but you are Grace. This one who can do nothing was never you.

So it's good to say, 'I can do nothing,' but this 'I' is who? The imagined person can do nothing. See, but are you this imagined person or are you Grace itself? See, it's okay. You rightly said, 'I can do nothing.' This is good to see that 'I,' the one that I always imagined myself to be, does not exist, therefore it can do nothing. Yeah. Then what exists? What is here now? It is presence of being, isn't it? Isn't there a presence of being?

I know, I understand that I am not the person, but something is moving as a person.

There is no moving as a person. There is nothing moving as a person. Life is moving and the mind is saying that this is a person moving.

Can you find the person?

Yes?

Maybe a lot of conditioning, I don't know what. Something is there.

It's not there. The person is not there.

No.

It's only the mind which is saying the person is there. It's not there. You see, the trickster will say that it is moving as a person. Not moving as a person. Person cannot move because it does not exist. See, what can move then? Then only Consciousness can move. The light of Consciousness makes all this movie move. Light of the projector makes the movie move. The interpreter says, 'See, the person is still moving.' What is the person moving? No, because there is no existence of the person. There's only the idea. Only the idea that a person is an idea.

Because Grace isn't here.

Then what is here? If Grace isn't here, then what is here? See, so just the ability that seems to be here to express in this way is also Grace. Who is moving? It is Grace itself. It is Consciousness itself. Later the mind comes and says, 'Oh, this was very personal,' or 'This was very arrogant,' this was something. This is just the mind talking, the commentator. It's like the subtitles. You go to a movie and you see the subtitles, and sometimes you hear that the dialogue is 'I love you,' but the subtitle is saying 'I hate you.' What do you believe? We got so used to listening to the subtitle, we say, 'Okay, he must have said I hate you because that's what the subtitle is saying.' Reality is what is. If you stop listening to the subtitles, you see only Grace is moving.

What does Grace look like? Say Grace is not here, it doesn't seem to be here.

I see only Grace. The mind will paint a picture of Grace and say, 'This is what Grace should look like.' All is Grace. That's why we must not even believe this concept that, you know, many come to satsang and say that, 'Because the strong situation was there, then I became a person.' It's okay to say like this as a conversation, but it's not possible for you to become a person. It's only an idea. And something you say, 'Something is there.' What is this something? Only the energy. It's only this energy of separation which works through thought. It works through some energy itself, like this sense of feeling separate. This energy is not strong enough to actually make you separate. The energy is not strong enough to actually cause separation. The separation never really happened. If it was possible for you to become separate from God, then nothing could put you back together. If it was really possible that you could separate like this, separate from Brahman, then what glue would put you back together? What kind of power would you need to come back together? The good news is that the separation never really happened. It's only we believed it.

The energy is not strong enough to actually make you separate. The energy is not strong enough to actually cause separation. The separation never really happened. If it was possible for you to become separate from God, then nothing could put you back together. If it was really possible that you could separate like this, separate from Brahman, then what glue would put you back together? What kind of power would you need to come back together? The good news is that the separation never really happened. It's only we believed that something happened, but nothing has actually happened. You were never Maya, you can never be Jiva, you have always been the Supreme One.

The mind will come and say, 'But I don't feel it. I don't feel it.' It's not about the feeling. The feeling can be anything. I am unconcerned with the feeling. If we are relying on the testimony of our mind or our feelings to confirm our freedom, we can keep waiting. It will be a long wait. Which feeling will confirm that you are God? What, the feeling that 'I somehow don't get it'? Is it like that? Or what? One can say it's okay. Which one? Thought is saying you are separate, separate. Can you find separation? Where can you see the separation?

So we can see that there are two bodies. Two bodies seem to be separate, you see. But where am I actually? Where am I even now? I'm in your appearance, isn't it? Even if I were to say that I am this body, then where is this body appearing? In your appearance. All these appearances are there in front of you, isn't it? And there's this body or this form which is appearing within this appearance. Without you, can this appearance be? Contemplate like this: can there ever be a time where an appearance is there but I am not? Without the perceiving, it is not possible for an appearance to be there. Therefore, I am just a dream character in your own appearance.

When you change states, then you go to the deep sleep state, then I vanish. Then my dream state comes, other characters come. So who is speaking all these words? Your own intuition. You are speaking all these words. I cannot exist in this form in the appearance without you. That's why I say it's all about you, and I mean it—that it is all about you, just not you as a person, you see.

And Vijay has a long question, we'll get to that also. D says, 'No person in me, no problem, but the awareness I'm not so clear.' Who is aware that there is no person here? You are aware that there is no person here. This awareness is awareness. Are you aware now? Yes. This awareness is awareness. It's not something exotic or esoteric; it's very simple. Atma said, 'I am not Atma, I am only the Supreme One.' Yes, okay.

Let's get to Vijay's question. Okay, before that, there's some chat as well. Zo had answered earlier that right now that feels okay. And Soham said, 'It's been that way for a few years now,' and he's still smiling. You see, that's enough. Then Via said, 'Battery dying, no electricity, might get turned off. I'm fine with any state that comes as a result of being with you.' Very good, my dear, and I can see that it's still on, which is good. Bhakti said, 'These experiences aren't true to choose.' Shivani said, 'Doesn't feel like there is a choice anymore.' And Lisa said, 'Father, nothing went to plan before anyway.' Yes, it never does, but when we look back, you see that it was still perfect, you see. Everything was still grace when we look back, if you look openly.

Shanti says, 'If I didn't have this trip to India to worry about, then I would say yes to nothing going as planned. But honestly, I would be very upset if I lost this chance. But all is beyond my control, this I know. It would be awful but fine if plans are all messed up. It always seems that when left alone, everything is perfect. Actually, each step of the way is like walking on rose petals.' Right now you're on a trip to India. I'm in India. Where are you? You're right with me, aren't you? This is India. Of course, if you want to endure a long flight and all that, you're very welcome to. But you're already in India as far as I am concerned.

Someone has typed the message from Vijay. Yes, he sent me the message as well. So he said, 'I have symptoms of low self-esteem, lack of interest in activities, social anxiety. At first I thought and accepted this is my natural personality. For the last 10 years I had no idea about all this. Recently I decided to consult a psychiatrist. The doctor diagnosed this as dysthymia, low-grade depression, and put me on medication. To some extent this is helping me. I see slight improvement in my mood. I feel a little calmer and confident. In the meantime, I recently came to know about Advaita through videos of Papaji, Mooji, and you, and this has deeply impacted my spiritual understanding and my very being itself. I know it for sure that medicines help only at the level of the body, not thoughts, but for me the efficacy of medicine cannot be denied. Father, in the next satsang, can you please speak about the role of medications as opposed to the importance of your pointers like being neutral to all appearances, resting in and as Consciousness?'

See, there's no opposition actually. Your question is medication as opposed to the pointing. The mind will play this game. You say medicine or depression medicine is opposed to satsang, but I'm not saying that. All this play of life, play of these appearances, can continue. Just don't say that 'I am depressed.' Just don't say that 'this body is me.' This body is a beautiful instrument. It's a car, a beautiful car, and the car can have various difficulties in the various parts. So nobody is saying that you must not take it to a mechanic. Nobody is saying that you must not get it fixed. Nothing like that is here.

All that we are talking about is for you to see what you really are. Are you really this body, or are you the pure awareness which is witnessing this body, this life? Once it is clear what you are, then you will not find anything in opposition to these teachings. The only thing, if there is something opposed to this teaching, is the concept of personhood, is the concept of ego. As long as you're not referring to yourself as a person, then nothing else is opposed to this pointing. So follow your heart moment to moment. And if it feels right, you see that your feet are walking towards the doctor, your feet are walking towards the medicine, and you find yourself taking it—it's completely fine. Just don't say that 'I am depressed.' Just don't say that 'I have this problem.' Notice that it is just a part of the appearance itself and you're not an active participant in the appearance; you're just the witnessing of all of this.

As long as we believe that 'I am in this appearance' or 'what is in this appearance is me or mine,' then it is trouble. So you said, 'In the next satsang, can you please speak about the role of medications as opposed to the importance of your pointers?' So I would not say it's opposed to. Do not confuse the neutrality that we speak of with the activity or passivity in this external world. In this realm, the movement of Consciousness will continue. Neutrality is only the seeing that I, as awareness, am untouched by all of this movement in Consciousness. You are aware that the mind can be very active, and you are aware that after some medication the mind is calm, you see. This awareness which is aware of activity and calmness is untouched by this activity and calmness. It's also unconcerned with activity and calmness. So let the play of life go the way it has to, and you rest as your own true self, you see.

The mind will create all of these conflicts and it's needless. It's like saying that, 'Oh, because you are not the body, therefore you should not drink any water.' It's not like this. The movement towards water is happening naturally. It can be had; it is not opposed to the teaching.

It could have different causes, right? Like depression, for instance. If it's due to imbalance or something, yes, but sometimes it's psychological.

So he says that depression can be because there's some chemical imbalance, so this expression, this body-mind, starts behaving in a different way. Or it could be because of some psychological cause, which means some ideas came, some strong concepts came. But both of these are not created in a personal way, you see. It's not like you decided, 'Okay, let me now from tomorrow reduce the secretion of this chemical.' We cannot do that. You can also not say that 'tomorrow onwards I will not think these thoughts.' If you get into this trouble of saying 'I'm going to try and control the kind of thoughts that I'm thinking,' you see, thoughts just come on their own. So with both of these factors, there is nothing that a seeming person can do, you see. Not that a person can do anything at all.

So then, sorry, the question what I was trying to ask was, maybe as belief is reducing, maybe things like...

Yes, yes, it can be like that. As you're not picking up any of these thoughts, you'll find it very difficult to say that 'I am depressed' or something. Because you need... sometimes it could be a purely physical reaction and some feelings of grief, some feelings, some dark gloomy feelings are appearing. As long as you're not attaching to these thoughts and feelings, then you will not be able to say that 'I am depressed.' But there's no resistance even to the concept of depression. You're not also in the state that 'this seems to be this strong gloom which is coming, therefore I'm not free anymore.' No need to even say that, because you can actually never be bound, you see, no matter what the states are coming and going like that.

But of course, being in satsang, being in the presence of the Guru can have a very beautiful impact on all of these things also. And many will find that depression, these things just go away. And for many, sometimes it just remains. All this is part of the Divine Leela. So I don't want to create any expectation that you just come to, you know, ten satsangs and then no depression, no problem. Depression doesn't seem to play right now. Sometimes all these things also come to keep our complacency, to keep our arrogance in check.

Gokul says, 'Father, even some resistance is there, but there is no resistance over resistance. Even some resistance is there, but there is no resistance over resistance. And I'm sure with your grace the first resistance will be gone soon. Always at your feet.' Don't make it complex also. It's very simple. Resistance means something which seems to be in opposition to what is. And the only thing which is in opposition to what is, is the mind. And if you're not believing the mind, then that is the dropping of resistance. If you're talking about some resistive feelings, then let those feelings also come and go. You just don't believe your thoughts about them.

B says, 'Experience differs between seeing this is all a dream, being completely untouched by whatever is going on, and being caught in the dream screaming, "This is a horrible dream!" Why does this still go there?' There is a difference between seeing this is all a dream, being completely untouched by whatever is going on, and being caught in the dream. What can get caught in the dream? What can happen? At best, you can believe some thoughts and you start giving it belief that 'I am this person.' But in reality, does something change? Does awareness actually become a part of the appearance? Then no. So even this catching of belief, this going of attention, this screaming loudly that 'I'm stuck in this dream'—awareness is aware of all of this play, completely untouched. Because what you are can never be stuck in the dream. What you believe, on the other hand, can be whatever you want. You have the power of belief, which means that you have the power to pretend. You can pretend to be stuck in the dream. You can actually not do it.

Am says, 'Father, we sometimes speak of resistance like it is a thing. What could it be? I found myself trying to resist something, but when I was trying, I realized I cannot actually resist.' Yes, it seems it could only be believing a thought. Yes, that's what you just said, that only the mind is in opposition to what is, and it has no power without our belief. So the minute we give belief to a thought means that we are resisting what is, means we have given birth to the ego. T says, 'Resistance...'

Can actually not do it. Am says, 'Father, we sometimes speak of resistance like it is a thing. What could it be? I found myself trying to resist something, but when I was trying, I realized I cannot actually resist. Yes, it seems it could only be believing a thought.' Yes, that's what you just said, that only the mind is in opposition to what is, and it has no power without our belief. So the minute we give belief to a thought means that we are resisting what is, means we have given birth to the ego. T says, 'Resistance is layer and layer.' I don't see it like this. I don't see that it's multi-layered or anything. It's just belief in some concepts. Just let it go, then show me where the layers are.

Lisa says, 'Can I check in with you please, Father?' Of course, my dear, please come. Hello, hello. Um, firstly, my gratitude, um, so much grace all the time. It's like I carry you in my heart all the time. You know, I go to work all day and I'm just, you're just there in my heart all the time. And um, and now the person tries to come up. I see when I'm usually um, on the Facebook group, because like the silent one, because I think I want to ask a question, but I see that the person wants to ask the question not because there is a question, just because it wants to be heard. And uh, it says things like, um, 'I want to have a name,' 'I don't need a name.' And uh, but I see more and more that the person comes up like a, like a, like a kid at the back of the school, you know, 'Me, me, me!' And and I'm catching it more quickly now and it just, and it kind of goes, 'Oh, oh,' you know? And I've also had moments where it, um, I don't, I don't know if this is a thing, but it's like it turns around to look at me and surrenders to me somehow. Can you, can you say this again? It's like it's like the, the person, it's like the person that plays up somehow turns around to look at me and surrenders to me, but I don't know if I'm making that up. It's just an experience I have occasionally.

Let's look at all. So happy to have you in the Satsang, so happy you're here. Thank you. So happy to be here. You're so beautiful and everybody is so beautiful. It's, can't believe my luck. Then you said that this thing need to be seen or the need to be liked. Facebook, you see, Facebook is a very good representation of our need to be liked. You have the like button, post something, and then we are immediately concerned about how many likes is this post going to get. And the ones who are liking our post are best friends, these they really get me, seem like that. And the ones who never like, oh, so this one is very beautifully representing a need to become something. I need to become something. It's the primal mantra of the ego to say that he'll make something out of you. I will become something. There, the whole desire of the ego to create something out of nothing. So he said that this person wants to be seen, wants some approval. This person through this way is trying to make something out of nothing. Person does not exist. Yeah, I see that now. They come like this.

Then said that even it wants to say things like, 'I want a name,' and then very quickly, before she realized that I might just give her a name right now, she said, 'No, no, I'm not actually asking for...' You see, if you get, if I, if I, it's like the person who wants to do that because it feels so special or it wants to, it wants to join in with the name thing, you know? And it's, but before when we have the naming ceremony, I make it so, try to make it so clear that it's not a special thing. There's no categories within the Satsang, those who have got names and those who have, who don't have. Nothing to do with how much love I feel for all of you. Yeah, I understand the naming, I love the naming thing, but for me... and then you said that there's this person, the sense of the person which is surrendering to me. See, like this. So it can seem like that when the ego is giving up, it can seem like it is just dissolving or surrendering. It's okay, but we don't have to make too much out of these visuals because if we make too much out of these visuals, then we are giving some reality to nothing. Even to say that the person is surrendering is giving it too much importance because it does not exist. Yeah, yeah, so true. Sometimes the mind come try to paint some visuals for us just to show that you're getting there, you're making or something. We don't need to rely on any, on any feeling, on any thought to confirm our freedom because it has come from Master's mouth that you are ever free. Come from the Master's mouth that you are free, then you can never be bound. You must not worry about 'I'm getting the becoming free.' Red speechless. Thank you so much. Thank you, my dear.

Amaya says, 'Father, you said as long as you don't speak as a person, but it is natural speech like that. As long as don't, as you don't speak as a person, but it is natural speech. I'm done or I'm tired, I went there, etc. But do you mean that knowing there is no person no matter natural speech?' Yes, yes. So what I meant is that conversationally we can say all of this. I'm very tired, I want to go to sleep, I need to drink some water. You know, we don't need to pick up new Advaita language. You don't need to say, 'My body is very tired, the body needs to sleep, the body is thirsty, body needs water.' We don't need to. You can very naturally say, 'I'm tired,' without really meaning it in the sense, without being completely clear that I am not this body. Just like we took this example, isn't it? We know that it is not the sun which is rising and setting. We know that the Earth is going around the sun, not the other way around. Yet there is no trouble in saying the sun is rising in the east and setting in the west. Doesn't change our knowledge of the fact that it is actually the Earth which is going.

Said, 'Father, what I meant with resistance is that when resistive feeling is there, mind says, after so many Satsangs, how can there be any resistive feeling?' Yes, yes. You must not believe this thought. You see, because states will always come in. See, it will always come. As long as you're not believing your thoughts, even about these states, then no problem. But after knowing it is just a state and it's not me, it's easier to accept resistive feeling very smoothly. This is very good. I like this very much. Very. Tara says, 'In my experience, no person is that there is no continuous or fixed person. The person will arise and disappear automatically when we do something outside.' I don't see like this. I don't see like this. Can the person arise? Suppose that some activity is happening, you see, picking up this glass of water. Where is the person? Where is the person? I see no person in this. You see like this. Or the person is just a figment of our imagination. The person is just a concept. And as long as we believe that this person, or I can become a person, or this person coming and going, we will see, we will give it more reality than it deserves because it actually cannot come into existence. It is never real. It is only a concept.

Soam says, 'Father, may I check too?' Yes, of course, my dear, please come. Can you hear me? Can you hear me? No, the audio, I just can't hear you although you got such a nice mic and everything. Is it plugged in? Was plugged into your phone. I see. Okay, let's try again. Let's try again. See something now. Okay, unplug it and say something with the natural, natural mic from the phone. I'm not on the phone right now. Something, something, I hear something now. Can the rest of you hear something? Oh, he's typing something. He says, 'It's okay, new Satsang tool arrived today, so now I should be able to chat with the new phone.' This is very good, very good. But how do we get your audio sorted out? Little bit was heard actually. Can you try again? Yeah, yeah, can you hear a little bit? Yes, I can make out a little of what you're saying. Oh, I just wanted to say hi and with this, as soon as I get this new phone set up, then, then I should be able to do the Satsang thing really easy. And for, before I couldn't do anything.

Very good, very good. I'm very happy you have this new phone. We're getting there slowly and slowly, we're getting there. So much love, so much love, my dear. Thank you. Zoie said, 'The mic is here with us too, just too tired and tired to sit up but listening.' Very good, my dear, very happy you're here. You're bound to be tired now, 40-year-old man. I'm trying to instigate him to sit up. I'm just kidding, I'm just kidding. He can rest, he can rest. My Shanti is saying, 'It's your 40th coming up, isn't it, Father?' Yes, it is, it is. 75, 75, then I'll be lying down and doing Satsang. Put this power on.

Tara says, 'I mean, I want to drink, is that a thought?' 'I want to drink,' this thought means that I am a person? No, no thought means that you're a person. You see, the thought is only convincing you that you are a person, but even if you believe that thought, you cannot actually become a person. And also you must contemplate whether it is only as a result of believing this thought, 'I want to drink,' that you drink water. You will find that actually this seeming correlation between thought and action is also purely illusory. It is just made up. Thoughts happen, actions happen. Thoughts happen, actions happen. It is Consciousness which is doing all of this, but it is the ego which pretends to be the thinker of thoughts and the doer of actions. You are a... for sometimes I forget I have to say something. You must remind me once in a while. Says, 'Okay, understand no person at all always.' Very good. See, this is it. They can never, you can never be a person. There has never been a person. Even this concept that this person, 'I became this person and now I'm not the person, I became person, not a person,' this play can also stop because you cannot become a person. J is not looking happy with me at all. You happy? You want to say something?

For said, 'So there is no person. When you say I, what do you mean?' This is a very good question. So my Master says that this 'I' is a chameleon 'I'. He says that the devil says 'I' and God says 'I'. What does it mean like this? It mean that when I'm caught up in the belief of person, not in the pretending to be a person, I can pretend to say 'I' as a person. I can also say 'I' as Consciousness, as the beingness itself. 'I am that I am,' God is said in the Bible. 'I am that I am.' This 'I' of beingness, this Consciousness, is God. Then I can say that I am aware this entire sea of appearances. So this awareness I am, I am that. So 'I' can be used in this spectrum, right from pretending to be a person to ultimately pure awareness itself. You can say 'I am this,' and this does not mean that our natural way of speaking can, has to change. I now must to myself, I go to a cab and I say, 'I as awareness am unmoved, but this body wants to go.' Yeah, we don't start talking like this. It's not right. So naturally all this play of life can continue. We are not getting confused about what we are. We are clear in our true identity as awareness itself, and then the natural flow of life can continue this way. You will not become the Advaita police, constantly policing people about language and what they are saying.

Oh yes, I hear you now. Very good. Is this on the phone? Hello. That was... so this is very good. So finally I've joined the, joined the 21st century. Ah, welcome, welcome aboard. So good to be able to speak to you finally. Very good. In the is also very nice, the picture is also very nice. Yes, it's very good. Yeah, quite happy now. Very good. This is good. So that just makes a whole lot more possible now in the communication. Very good. So happy, so happy. Love you so much. Oh, I love you too, my dear. Thank you, Father. I will, I will go off now. Half Namaste because you're holding the phone in one hand. Yeah, yeah, karate moves. It's the Buddhist one-handed thing. I didn't know this, the one, the one-handed salute, you know, the one-handed clap. One hand clapping. Yeah, I have to figure out how to do this and put the phone somewhere so I find something to keep it on. Yeah, yeah. Okay, I'll go off mic now. Okay, my dear, thank you. Love you.

For must listen carefully. There is nothing to do, nowhere to go, nothing is going to happen. Please listen, nothing is going to happen. You are already free. You...

The phone in one hand, yeah, yeah. Karate moves. It's the Buddhist one-handed thing. I didn't know this, the one-handed salute, you know? The one hand clapping, yeah. I have to figure out how to do this and put the phone somewhere so I find something to keep it on. Yeah, yeah. Okay, I'll go off mic now. Okay, my dear, thank you. Love you.

You must listen carefully. There is nothing to do, nowhere to go. Nothing is going to happen. Please listen: nothing is going to happen. You are already free. You are That. Don't go around chasing states and emotions and thoughts; you only keep yourself deluded like this. Nothing has ever happened to you and nothing is ever going to happen. And I know completely that if you deluded yourself for another billion years, nothing will really happen. But it's just my job to tell you not to delude yourself, not to delude yourself anymore.

Good evening. Good evening, my dear. Just a thought came, like, if nothing is going to happen, then why do we need to, you know, listen to... we are already free?

Huh? You're fully free. Why do I need such Satsang? This is the first one you will buy completely. Think about that. Why do I need to be... someone asked for also, you're not the first, don't worry. I said this one you believe last. After you dropped all your belief in everything else, then you are free to believe this one. We keep it like this, so free from all other belief in all other concepts, then believe the thought that 'I don't even need such Satsang.' Let this not be the first concept of freedom that you believe; let it be the last if you have to. It's always very nice to see you both together like this. Very nice. So, is this one of your houses or is this your workplace or what is this place?

I stay in that house. That's my house. Couple visits, yeah. Yes, everyone is very happy that Suam is able to join. Which phone is this? Maybe we get Atma the same phone, will that help? And then only Atma, who is left out now, can also join the hangout. The Moto something. So you send me the details of this phone and we see if we can get this for Atma as well.

Yeah, with 4G. Moto G with 4G. Okay, yeah, it's really super fast. I can't believe it. And then during this time of Satsang it came and I just, you know, kind of did the startup on it and downloaded Facebook and Messenger so I could find the link and then came on in that short amount of time. It was so easy, easier than a computer.

Wonderful, wonderful. This is... it's very good. Audio and video both are very good.

Oh good, that's good to know. You look really good and sound really good. It's better than any other device I've used. Now you can do some broadcast as well.

Yeah, now I can actually do something. That's what I told the sales agent, you know, when I... I said I need something I can get video streaming video and do broadcast with. It was the whole purpose for upgrading.

Very good, very happy. There's a question from Yash. Yash says, 'Guruji, can you explain what is the best way to meditate?' Best way to meditate is to let go of everything. Let your attention be completely free. Let your breath be completely free. Don't try to control anything at all. Just let go. Let all thoughts also come and go. Don't resist anything and don't give your belief to any thought. Allow everything. All emotions are allowed, all memories are allowed, all imagination is allowed. Let everything flow on its own. Just refuse to believe any thought. Attention can also go to the thoughts; attention can go anywhere, to the sounds, to the thoughts, to the images. Just don't give anything your belief. So this is the simplest, simpler than simple.

Very good. So Aditi says, 'Thank you so much for exposing what I am still holding on to. The mind is so tricky.' Can I say something? Yes, my dear, yeah, of course. Um, I just have these really beautiful moments, they're longer and longer all the time, where I'm not believing in my thoughts. But it just is so amazing when I come to Satsang how the mind comes in and writes a story about these beautiful experiences I have, and then I get lost in this la-la land of 'this is so beautiful.' And it's just... it's all beliefs. I mean, you just exposed that so much today. I just feel like I was completely fooled by the stories of these experiences that felt like no-mind. And I know it was, but the mind came in so quickly and I was off on the Wizard of Oz trip. And come to find out, I was completely in my mind for so long after these experiences. I had no idea the mind was that good and tricky and that I could believe it so easily. It didn't take any effort to believe what was actually taking me further away. And I just thank you so much.

It can be very tricky, very sneaky, especially spiritual experiences it can use to try to create a sense of specialness, try to create the sense that you got something.

And it just is... I didn't get anything. I just actually things were dropping away. And really, I mean, when you were talking about arrogance, it just really hit me. This is also very good. These can be the traps that the mind uses to get you stuck again. I didn't even know I was stuck, that's how tricky it was. Yes, I really... I just... it was a complete story, so much of it. To have to get God to believe that he is a person is the greatest magic trick ever. It's just like you have this amazing awareness and you know that you're aware, and bam, right behind that is all these beliefs and you're just wanting to attach to those so quickly. It's just almost automatic. And I didn't realize the power of belief. It's just right there, such a habit. It's just so tricky. And thank you, thank you so, so, so much.

So, so welcome. You are very welcome always. Love you too. That's why I say that if you feel 'I got it,' then you must stay in Satsang. And if you feel 'I didn't get it,' then you must stay in Satsang. It can be tricky like this, tricky like this.

T says, 'Can I focus on the awareness as the practice?' This one who wants a practice, this one who is this? Okay, then they say, 'Because I'm not clear I'm the awareness.' See that. Okay, let's maybe we do this together, although you're in chat, so we'll take it a little slowly. There is a witnessing of your external world. You are the witness of the external world through your senses. So you are aware of your world; the world is not aware of you. And then if you were to close your eyes, you would be aware of these internal objects called thoughts, feelings, memories, imagination. You are aware of these internal objects; they are not aware of you. You are also aware of your own presence, the sense that you exist, that 'I am.' You are aware of even this holy presence. And you are aware that you are aware. You are aware that you are aware. Now, this is awareness being aware of awareness itself. It is not a phenomenal experiencing. You cannot speak anything about this. You just know that you are aware. This you cannot deny. You see, there is awareness of awareness itself. Don't try to convince the mind. The mind cannot fathom this awareness. What is perceived to confirm 'I am aware' now? When this question is asked of you, 'Are you aware now?', what is perceived? Is it a phenomenal perceiving? It's the only non-phenomenal experience. So you stay with this simple pointing. Don't believe your next thought, and then you don't need to pick up any practice at all. Because if you pick up a practice, then you will become a practitioner. And if you become a practitioner, that's another identity that you pick up. Just naturally and gently check at any moment: who am I? And you will find that you are this awareness itself.

C says, 'The mind here shuttles between got it and didn't get it.' Yes, because the mind does not know neutrality. You see, the mind gets completely confounded when we say neutrality. It wants to be either 'get it' or 'didn't get it.' It can only play like this.

Zoe says, 'Father, could I say something?' Yes, my dear, of course.

Namaste, Father dear. It's a simple thing. I would just really like to ask you for a new name, please, if I could. It's just something that's come up in my heart for the last few days and it's just... I can't explain it any more than it's a knowing. It's such a wonderful feeling and I just wanted to ask you for my name in person if I could.

Of course, my dear, of course. It will be my complete joy. Thank you. This Saturday we'll have three names. Very happy. Okay, so let's hear a song from you, with the croaky throat or not. You'll say, 'My throat is bad and something is happening.' Let's hear a croaky song. You wake up mic. Well, you asked for it, so I'm not going to apologize.

Thank you, my dear. Thank you. Very beautiful, not croaky at all. Lisa also feels to sing. Yeah, I'm happy to sing. I'm also a little sniffy. Just make sure it's in... turn off my mic a minute. I have a little tune for you, Father.

Sweet, my dear. Thank you so much. Go will ask some more questions, but we can keep it for next time if possible, my dear. So much love. Dr. Kanan says, 'Will you please clip this portion of video and upload it with subtitles? I would like my father to see as you can't hear, he is a Ram devotee.' Which portion? I'm not really sure which. Let us know which portion. Shivani, you have a clip of invocations, Lazar's invocations to play?

Yes, Father. Bhagavan, thank you all so very much for being here today. Guru Ji, Jai Jai Jai Jai Jai.