Don't Believe Your Next Thought - It Is Enough - 11 Feb 2015
Saar (Essence)
Ananta teaches that the waking state is synonymous with the presence of God, urging seekers to rest in their natural, effortless being rather than engaging with the mind's distractions or the ego's need for control.
Waking state means the presence of God is here. You are already sitting on top of the treasure.
Effort is in picking up a thought; giving it your belief is what tires you.
Let God do everything there is to be. You remain the unborn witnessing the born.
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Transcript
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Thank you, my dear. Thank you. Namaste everyone. Welcome to satsang today. Very happy to see all of you. And if you're in the hangout, the way to ask questions is to unmute your mic, and if you're on YouTube chat, you can just type your question in and we will look at it. Namaste everyone on YouTube as well. A question just came to me as I joined satsang. A question came to me saying, 'Why do we wake up?' And I don't mean wake up in the liberation sense or Moksha sense; I just mean why do we wake up? Why don't we just spend all our time in deep sleep state? Even if it automatically wakes up, we can take some medication and just leave holidays. Why do we wake up? There must be something which wants to taste this being, experience being. Why? Because this being is so sublime, so beautiful. But then what happens is this being comes and very quickly all the other seeming distractions will also come in the world of appearances, and we very quickly put all our attention and belief into the distractions of the appearances which are there. And we forgot that this pure being woke up. Your own presence, the presence of God, is already here. Waking state means the presence of God is here. This is exactly what they must have meant when they said that you're already sitting on top of the treasure and you're begging for pennies. And Gangaji has this book called, is it called 'The Diamond in Your Pocket'? So what is this diamond in your pocket? And if you have a diamond in your pocket, then why do we go around looking for other small, small rocks and pebbles?
Waking state means presence of God is here. The mind will say, 'But I don't feel the presence of God.' But it's very simple. In this simple question, we made it very easy because you cannot stop being now. Can you stop being now? This being which cannot be stopped, this presence which is here, that 'I am, I exist,' it's undeniable except from the mind. The mind can say anything it wants. So if waking state is here, that means the presence of God is here now. What else could we want? Can there be any wanting which is more beautiful than what is already here? This is the true point of satsang, actually, is to bring you back to this holy presence. And if this is done, then it is done. Because this presence is there, then to see that I am aware even of this presence is very easy, you see. And sometimes in satsang, actually, you take a giant leap which is beyond even presence. You automatically, very quickly see that yes, I am this simple awareness of all there is. Some of you have said this, isn't it? That 'I did not even come to this stage of experiencing this presence. It is so clear that I am just the simple witnessing of all of this that I see no inclination even to marinate in this holy presence.' You have had this also, the direct, like constantly beyond even presence, straight to the Absolute like this. So you must not feel, if this happened, then you must not feel, 'Oh, I missed out on something.' So even this being, even the presence of God, is born within you, and you have tasted this now-tasteless presence of your own true self. So awareness has no taste even, you see.
The mind will look for a taste, but actually you see that yes, of course I'm aware; there's no taste in this. It's like pure water has no taste. So awareness being aware of itself has no taste. It can be very, very easy like this: the tasteless awareness and the sublime being. What else is needed? Can there be anything at all which you can say is missing? But neither of these are understandable by the mind. So if you try to convince your mind about something, you want to know something, then the whole thing starts. Then the secret identity, all that trouble will start. But isn't it very simple like this? Just to see that this pure awareness is here. Sometimes you find that attention, everything, is drowning in the holy presence of your own being, and you lose track of all time and space. There's no room for time, there's no room for space, there is no interest in it, actually. So there is this beautiful sublimity, your own being. There is no experience in the appearance which is as pure as this. Nothing that the senses can bring you can match this pure innocence of being itself. Everything is complete here. It's no effort, no time, nothing.
Then in the presence of satsang, the power of this mind gets dissolved so that it stops being a distraction as much as it was. Very easily, you just see what is already here: untouched beingness, unassociated, unconcerned. And you are higher than that also. You are that which is unconcerned even with beingness, even with the presence or absence of beingness you are not concerned. And this world of appearance is just a projection of this Consciousness. And even in the projection, you create these metaphors for what is real. So just a dip, the attention taking a dip in beingness, is like metaphorically represented as you taking a dip in the Ganga, or you getting a darshan or something like that. These are just visual metaphors. Actually, what is truly happening right now, your attention can just take a dip inside your own beingness.
Love, peace, and joy, they come to experience this beautiful dip, your attention into Atma, into being. And every force, every energy rejoices in this beautiful experience of just attention marinating in this pure being which is here. This is the nectar of your immortality. This is the Amrit that they speak of. This is the real Ganga. Nothing can touch you here. You cannot be attacked. Nothing needs to be defended. I am not here to play with any words because too much wordplay is already there in this appearance. There's a lot of words. I am here to share this experience of your own holy presence which sometimes you seem to forget. Forget about that which you think you have become, and in this moment experience the birth of being, which is completely fresh every moment, and yet you remain the unborn. So God can take birth inside you and God can play with the world as much as it likes, but you cannot be born here. Let it be seen that your life belongs to this God, this being. Let all actions belong to this being, emotions belong to this being. You remain as the unborn witnessing, the unborn awareness. Bhagwan's presence is here, and this is His blessing for all of you. May you be forever free from all delusions and remain at peace. Om Shanti Shanti Shanti. No time. Where is time? Where is peace? Where is I? Where is another?
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A question from Michael. He says, 'Father, how to drop all efforts? Sometimes I feel like letting go of thought also becomes some kind of effort, a barrier. Sometimes please, I feel like I'm trapped here in jail. Don't believe in that. Seems like some works like the opposite of surrender. It's consuming.' If actually you will find that the effort is in picking up. The effort is in giving it your belief. Giving it your attention is what tires many of us. In spite of not having very physically active lives, at the end of the day we feel very, very tired. Because what? Because the mind is tired. This mental activity seems to be tiring. So the effort is in picking up every thought. Because right now, if I were to tell you, 'Just believe every thought, give your attention to every thought and be busy with it,' in the next 15-20 minutes you will be completely tired. So that which is effort makes you tired.
But what has happened is that this seems to have become natural because you've been doing it for so long. Picking up seems to have become natural. So then when we say, 'Okay, just let go, don't give it belief, just allow them to come and go, you don't engage,' it's clearly seen that yes, this must be that which is without effort. To engage must be effort; to not engage must be no effort. But since our habit has become to engage, it can seem like when we say 'don't believe, don't engage,' it can seem like that is effort. 'I have to restrain myself.' It can seem like this, you see. But what is being seen as some restraint right now, you will see that that is completely natural, completely natural. Let's say when you go to a Gani, all these thoughts are being allowed to come and go, but he looks more serene, isn't it? Because there is no effort, which is the dropping of this effort. It seems like it is some effort initially, but then you will find that it is the most natural. Let everything just come and go is the most natural. And then you find this serenity, this peace. This is dropping of all effort. It is not a task even to let go of thought. To deprive the thought of your belief is not a task. Just see that it happens. Belief is very easy to just manage, and it will get easier as you see. As you're more in satsang, you will find that already you must be seeing that that which used to get your belief so easily in the past now is not as magnetic, as attractive as it was. So very simple: don't try to pick up something big to do. Just don't believe your next thought. It is enough.
That was an amazing satsang. I just want to say thank you, thank you, thank you. I feel you opened up something and showed me. It just happened. I'm so grateful to you. I love you so much. Pranam. Om. My whole being at your feet. I cannot express it at all. Thank you.
Thank you, my dear. Thank you too. It is because you are here, this presence is here, that all this sharing of what is just pure being can be shared like this also. Thank you. Thank you too.
Hello, my dear. I just wanted to say something very shortly. This goes beyond any need to be physically present in any physical presence, and I think that's very, very beautiful. Thank you.
Can you say again? I missed part of what you said.
Okay. I said that especially since last time when I was here on Monday, and today, this goes beyond any need to be physically present. It goes beyond all of that, and it's very beautiful. And I want to thank you.
Very good. What did you say? This contemplation so beautiful today, Father? Okay.
Contemplation. And yesterday while out working, we recognized that there truly was no time and no space except that which you just described in your contemplation. Only the moment, the moment, the moment. Also the sense of no identity with this body, shared and understood. Thank you for this contemplation which confirms this working contemplation.
This is really good. You find that in this beautiful play that sometimes you see that the curriculum automatically moves to another level on its own. And we find that all that is now appearing is pointing to this. Then you find at another point it is pointing to this. So more and more insight, more and more clarity, all flows on its own. Once you said that all this universe is completely collaborative with your search for what is true, your search for what it is. It is never vindictive and it is always collaborative.
The mix says, 'I just felt to greet you again after the retreat spell of having no internet.' So happy you're back, my dear. Very good. No internet and to be in hangouts, and yet the sublime connection with you was ever-present. Surrendering to universal grace. Very beautiful. We very much enjoyed seeing your clip in the video also, the underwater clip.
Hello. Hello. It's so good to be back. Very good to have you back. Yes, you were saying about this magnetic lack of magnetic attraction to thoughts and effort and so forth, and this is exactly what I've been feeling very strongly. It's just this sort of falling away of everything, you know? And that's why the word 'universal grace' came to me is that I was really missing you guys a lot, and then I sort of dissolved into that as well, you know? And just realized, but what am I missing if it's already here? And so I just have to say to you, my gratitude for this is just enormous because I've never felt such a let go as I have ever since I've been with you. So yeah, it's absolutely wonderful, wonderful, wonderful to hear.
Wonderful to hear also.
A lot and then I sort of dissolved into that as well, you know, and just realized: but what am I missing if it's already here, you know? And so I... it's just very nice to report, you know, this narrative of unfolding and blossoming. And I just have to say to you, my gratitude for this is just enormous because I've never felt such a let-go as I have ever since I've been with you. So yeah, it's absolutely wonderful.
Wonderful, wonderful to hear. Wonderful to hear. Also, you see that it happened so naturally. It's like the thoughts are like leaves on a tree. We don't have to pluck out every leaf. We just stop giving nutrition to the tree, not giving any belief to it, and we find that all the leaves fall off on their own. This person becomes without any attribute now. Nothing that you can say about the person also. It is beautiful, beautiful dissolution. Very simple. This is very good, yes.
And if I, as you remember before, you know, I'm still in that sort of limbo of not having much energy and everything, and it's relaxed a lot more into acceptance of it. And so my life, if it wasn't simple before, it's become much more accepted and sublime. And of course, all this clutter and anguish and anxiety of future or what to do or what I'm going to do, it has just absolutely evaporated, you know. And so I can only envisage, you know, Ramana sort of, you know, in his loincloth and just looking and staring into existence as a sort of totem pole for me, because I just have no ambition whatsoever than just to be here, you know. And if anything comes out of that, you know, so be it; it'll be the Divine will. And I've felt that I've really... I'm really surrendering my entire existence to that, although there is a denominating, you know, anguish, of course, you know, a sort of collective anxiety about 'I should be this, I should be doing that.' And so of course it's still there, but it's not overriding my life at all, at all. So I'm very happy to tell you that.
This is very good to hear, very good. Already in your words today, I feel that before the break and after the break, there's a lot more this presence. In this presence, there's no anxiety about any of this. It's just flowing, isn't it? Very beautiful. Very happy to hear you today. Thank you, thank you very much. Love, so much love to you too. Many say Satsang is so silent this week, so beautifully just peace like this, just in preparation for the five weeks of silence. No questions for the next time you see me is how wonderful. Very great, wonderful.
It's just everything and like... like before, I am right now. Just when you feel like you got that 'I'm somebody, got it,' it's like almost every thought that... I can't explain it, but there's this one part that feels nothing's changing, time is not moving, nothing's happening, time's never walked. The other part's just like in school, I don't even make sense. The sense of control... like I surrendered and then it just came, everything just came, everything's just happening. I'm not... but something just wants to be in control. It's still there. It's like I'm the one doing it, everything. If I can see, I still want to be the one. That thing is she's doing, especially saying like... it's like I've been telling you guys, so I love you so much. Like it comes so truly from the heart, like just helping my family or just teaching my family. Like no, it's just what the mind wants to take control.
There's one thing very practical for all of you also: don't try to have any control. When you have guests in the house, it's not even like, you know, 'What does she think of me today?' It's like she's very happy if you take her like she's your children. It's coming from the heart and I can see it. Just thank you. And it's just not even that, everything's just something like... so don't even try to be your mother, wanted to be anything.
It doesn't want to let go. Like you said, no, actually no, I don't know what happened. And then what happened is the sense of control... he's very happy. Even you find a singing another who is willing to give that control. Okay, you decide which doctor should I go to and what should I do, this or not? Is this then you think, 'Oh, what's happening here?' It's very grateful to you and to me and to your kids because you're taking care of my mind. She just like my channel, but it's just like, you know, it's like yeah, like not often, like just the whole thing that's going on. Everybody needs to be happy, okay.
They never had many controls, you see. The thing is that you are exactly that which you are in your sleep. Still that this appearances, birth, and actually this being itself is doing everything. It's actually it's all going very nicely.
It's like it just feels like it's from the heart, like what all I'm doing, like is being done. But... but the mind is there and then it feels like too much is happening, I'm tired, or this is like the victim mind. Yeah, it's not just that, I can see. Yeah, I just want to be and that is okay. That is very easy too. Yeah, you could get out, there is much more difficult. We're just going to go back because maybe somebody else can stand up. You want something? I'm just talking about... she's... she's just tired so much that I feel like she's just like the mother thing. I just wanna... and she's ready, but you know, I can see she wants to help, but like I've been in that position before, you know. It's so easy for anybody. So she just says watch again.
Could not one, like you used to say in... nothing very often earlier. Not one blade of grass, you okay? But now let's be completely fresh. Oh, I'm serious. If you show up in your house, you know what this is, that it all happen, unfold and so on, okay? Oh yeah, and then some energy comes and I walk towards the kitchen or giving some instructions to the help or whatever, just happening also. What is the worst case? I was just going to say the house could look like it's been hit by a war or something. You should live in my house. So when something important comes to me in the house, I better give it to him very fast, otherwise it's gone. I just lost such a big one and then next day you can't find, nobody can find. He just lost. And we're not like clean the place because, you know, very much also she works much more than you also, so she is busy from morning. There's only so much. Exactly nothing. Those things are lying around. I have another thing, a friend like... so I could take this tissue paper and I could just take it like this, she needs to pick it up and clean it up. Is that happening to you also? Oh God, I haven't even blown my nose in it or nothing, it just completely... exactly this one, nothing. Yes, and ultimately even the identification is okay, you see, but there's some suffering there and things. So it's my job to point out and say this is something, you see. Actually there's nothing completely.
I didn't see it until now, so it was... it was very smooth. Like I just loved it actually. Yeah, I enjoy doing it. I mean, it's... that's what I do all day, like to stay there and I really enjoyed it. But I... I can see how I identified because I was lost. Just when I feel that something's more deeper and it just... something needs to come up because life knows what is deeper. So there can be something like, 'No, this one I don't want to deal with right now, this one I'll give to the end.' Because so you think why you don't even see it, just refresh somewhere in life, like I mean, like even the Facebook actors, yeah.
Okay, so then you go back home now, do it against it and let her be those. And sometimes, you know what happens is that these energies like tiredness and things like this, sometimes you need to give them some strong situations. So don't feel like, 'Oh, this is maybe it means that I think that's okay.' No, cannot do that. When something just comes on its own, comes some powers, good job. Let's see what happens and just see how everything... yeah.
I... before it was like it just came like this, so I'm like, 'I can't win.' Like it had to come that way. I broke... I just broke something at home. I'm like... I was just laughing and I'm not in control. Yeah, it was so fun. It just has to happen. It just has to come like... just like a song.
It's very good because this is how you learn spontaneity, freshness. We say like this now, now on a fresh complete. You cannot agree that we have this environment which is totally seen to control and then we see now must be like everything is moving good here just now. That's towards you is coming out. Let's do it again from a different country, different environments. So my changes, new house, people have been kind and sometimes, like you said, it's not so easy that somebody's being so kind around you. So yeah, okay, now this is like... so it's very good. Yeah, this openness itself is great strength because initially they might do in some meditation. You see a lot. Thank you, thank you so much. And you look like a real muscular bodybuilder or something, very strong, you know. This photo is black and white photos you posted yesterday. Oh, very nice, because it looks so big and strong in this.
It's like... it's like... it's like another life. Yeah, it seems to just be more and you can't even recognize whose life was this. Oh really, this happened. Thank you, thank you, thank you, my dear. Thank you so much.
He says, 'Namaste Father, so grateful for this silence today. Just a silly question: I never do any meditation or inquiry. I'm not sure even this I have to do it. No kind advice, thank you.' You don't have to do anything. I just don't believe like thought, but sometimes I forget and get carried away with thoughts and emotions. Is contemplation and inquiry necessary to progress? Mind is just telling now that, 'See, you're still behind and others are progressing.' We have others, okay? How many steps ahead of you are they? They're all only the Self. You are also only the Self. There is no such thing like this that someone is ahead, someone is behind. And anyone you think is ahead, they also probably thinking the same about somebody else. There is nothing thing in the right now. So all... all practices are just to help you reduce this magnetism of the thoughts. So if there is something very natural you feel, 'Yes, this helps to just allow me not to believe my next thought,' then completely fine. But don't pick up this practitioner identity. Don't pick up the meditator identity. Let everything flow naturally. So I see no harm in meditations, I see no harm in any practice. I see it can be said like this actually, no harm even that. But if there is something that identity of the meditator, the identity of the... Shakti says, 'Father, I cannot tell who is speaking or really what is being said. Please share my gratitude for the mothering that has been given to her from our beautiful Sangha. It makes me so, so happy.'
You should sort of use... thank you. She just loves being mothered. Yes, she just loves it. And Shakti's my mom also. Motherly instincts are coming in, but it's okay. It's just... I mean, it just... it just is so natural here. I mean, it's like baby, I don't know why it just comes. It's just... I really hope he doesn't mind it, but this... so, so much mothering. And then if you have this thing, you'll find that those will come to you that want to be mothered.
Yes, I feel the openness. I... I don't want to be forceful. I just feel I can sense an openness. Even if I just feel like she has that openness and... so it's not necessary that this is the only template a relationship that we have. It can flow very naturally. It can be just same-same. We can do mother-father, you could be child. So you also see whether you have this resistance. If someone wants to be like take care of you, do you have a resistance? So that I can say that, you know, when I was a child it was okay, but right now it did not feel comfortable. Like it's something you just wanted to jump out of bed and just to use like... that's why I understand what she's going through because it's not easy for me to receive. This is a very good lesson because even I spoke about this in that on one of the other places that I would be very... you think about...
Or you have this resistance. If someone wants to be like, take care of you, do you have a resistance? So that I can say that, you know, when I was a child it was okay, but right now it did not feel comfortable. Like it's something you just wanted to jump out of bed and just to use—like that's why I understand what she's going through because it's not easy for me to receive. This is a very good lesson because even I spoke about this, and that's on one of the other places, that I would be very—you think about, no, nobody should serve me a glass of water, give me something to, anything like this. And what you also say, that this resistance was there for him also, and then he said that it is sort of also a play of the mind, isn't it? Because it is coming from love. Wanting to help or wanting to serve is coming from love. So if there's a resistance to that, why should we? I heard him say like this, and you're having this one in Rishikesh and then...
Yes.
Like, I think a part of me wants to be taken care of and so I demand it from him, or I asked my children to just do something. So from them I'm open enough. But with the rest, or even my close family, kids or husbands, I don't think he wants to do much. But it's for the ones who actually want to give it. And then what happens is that you're at one level refusing, you know? So I'm resisting that sort of energy and at another level getting tired. So then that refusing is happening in the directness.
Look, so then it has you traveling just if there's no life energy to do anything. If you're tired, just say, 'I cannot do it, please take care of it yourself.' Then she will also go out of this thing. Then this thing, no, it's good like this. I see no harm. And if it's true love, then nothing will be, because if it is love, it is not dependent on, 'Oh, this is taking care of me.' So that's what I'm saying. It doesn't come from the place of operating company or—I think it's answering myself something here. It's not right about what she working, yes. But your body is saying, your everything is so clear, life energy is not there. Why you have to push it? You can live up to any rule, too. Don't even try to live up to the caregiver. Let God even play that role.
I think it's very much influenced by family. I think it's time to keep up.
Yes. Provided you with a guest who has no expectations. So unlike others who might come, more relatives and things, we will come expecting. Even no expectation, this is the fact that you're giving her a place to stay in a bed to sleep on is much. Be honest, expectations, you know? So don't feel that you have to live up to something. I know that some of it happens subconsciously. It's not like some decision-making doing it. Don't feel that. Just be true to your heart. If it is coming that 'I can do this,' then just do. If it is coming 'I cannot do this, I just don't have anything to do it,' that's good. Then also then, then if something becomes certain for her, then let it be certain. There's no avoidance. Okay? I mentioned saying it, I feel is more satsang for you than it will be hearing it. Be certain for her.
Something just wants to—I'll give you another example. So when the first year that Mooji came to this place, no, the second time actually when he came to this place, we already had this big place. So he was coming from, and then people started calling me from there saying, 'Is there a place in your household for us to come and see?' And me being me, I said yes, yes to everyone. When someone came, took it to Moojiji and he, she said, she told them that—and I had told some ten people to come and stay. So I get a call from him very promptly. 'Everything, what are you doing? It's not okay.' So I said, 'No, no, we have a big place now and things.' So he said, 'Yes, but then just let it, let it be. It doesn't have to be where, you know, everyone, you have to be like this, that everyone, you cannot say no.' One thing, so then they made an announcement over there that only there are two more beds, so these two more people can come, nobody else will come. If you want to come to Bangalore, find places. They had to announce it. I said, 'I will not be able to tell them.' Okay, we'll get, you know, by or somebody to announcement over there. Nobody is coming, nobody is killing. If you want to come, find places.
So then, but then what happened is that, so then these, there were some people who were staying part of the Sangha and they had no money to stay in the world. So they just landed up and said, 'We have to stay in your house because we have no place.' And what Moojiji says, so these two conversations are happening, okay? These people again. So these two conversations happening. So from there it's like, 'No, just tell them no, we cannot stay.' And so they are saying, 'I have no money, where do I go?' So what do I do? I take out some money and then, yeah, then—so I didn't tell him that I gave them the money so that they could find this place. There's this hotel very close together. The next ability details, rather, please give an empire something to me because he's given the money to stay in the hotel. So Radha says, 'I know nobody has told him, but he knows.' We better just take this money. So I don't know the same thing very clearly. So don't come if you can't stay in order. It is a strong section. In the presence of the truth, in the presence of satsang, then all this comes out to you. Whatever is hiding in here, it has to come out. We see to the mind's like saying it's coming from the heart to help. So no, but it is coming actually from the identity of being nice. For me it used to go like this. This identity that I cannot be this one who says, 'No, you cannot stay in my house, I don't care if you have money or not.' If the Master is saying say no, that is also the instruction for me. And the mind was saying, 'How could he be saying no? They don't have money.' You see, there it is.
One of the newer, the newer people offered us a ride home. It was very, it was very happy and very eager and enthusiastic to meet all the Sangha and was very, was very sweet. And so, you know, he, he said he'd be coming every time. And so he saw we were trying to get a auto, so he offered us to ride home. And um, he seemed like he was really wanting to connect and so he invited to dinner. He was, or he was just—and so, um, he just talked and talked and talked and talked and then it just, it was very weird like, and he just like, we were going out to dinner, she wasn't there, and we were going out to dinner and like after going home said, 'Oh yeah, can I see your children? You want to meet her kids?' Yeah. And so I said no. Couldn't say no. That was sad. Yeah, it was just, I couldn't say, I couldn't mean for like that was my—but I, I just, it just, the energy came here to be very direct to say no, maybe another time. But it's not like—so he added me on Facebook. I saw he added everybody, but they probably didn't know. Yes, it just goes back. Yes.
Yeah, it's, it's wonderful to hear these, these sort of casual accounts that you give, um, you know, about life. It's something I can really relate to, you know, day-to-day, moment to moment. But, um, the question was something I, you know, especially in the emergence of, of you guys going off to Rishikesh and everything, it suddenly gave me a, a gulp in my throat and I thought, 'Oh my God,' you know, there was a sort of a little bit of a panic there of feeling abandoned in a way. But, um, this, this question that I have, I've—it's a very recurrent one because I've tried to let it dissolve, um, as not believing in the next thought, so to speak. But, um, it's something that's still an exclamation. I've, I've actually been postponing it quite a lot because of the theme. But anyway, I'll go directly to it.
Um, the other day there was a sort of a little challenge on the internet and, and some of you guys were putting the seven random, random, um, historical things about oneself, you know? I don't know if you saw it, but, um, and I, I, yes, yes, and, and so, and put it on and everything. I, and I, I went for it and, um, and it's amazing how it really sort of regurgitated a lot of, um, play inside myself. And, um, one of, one of the, one of the points that I was making, and it's quite, quite strong stories, um, is, is something I'm still active in and I do a lot of diving here as you probably know. And, and I've been a professional spear fisherman for 40 years or so to actually not to prostitute my art, because it's very difficult to make, uh, make money from art in Brazil specifically. And, um, but it's something that I've had a lot of problems with, um, how—I don't know if the word is conscientiously—um, you know, a sort of guilt there I guess in a way, you know? That, um, in the mind I, I'm, you know, against it. There is a sort of against the grain feeling of, 'Oh my God, this is not spiritually correct. You can't, you can't go around killing fish anymore, you're on another level' and stuff, you know? But, uh, I find myself during the day in that same atmosphere that I shared with you before when I only do something when there is a supportive enthusiasm to do it, you know? You know, drink when thirsty, eat when, when, when hungry, and sleep when tired. So that's fine. But all of a sudden, and I'm in this clash because I feel this enthusiasm and before I know it, I'm all dressed up and, you know, a spear gun in my hand, mask on the face, fins on the, on the feet, and I'm in the water. And, and I'm just feeling at home in the ocean, under the ocean, and, you know, and I'm caught in this, this, um, dichotomy. If you could comment on that, um, I'd be happy.
Of course. And this is the right way to do it. If you feel that in your heart it's okay, this is what life is moving towards, life is guiding you to, then that's the way it is, you see? Because this is also—and you said that it's something that you do for your sustenance, you know? I'm not making a judgment even if it was for entertainment, but in your case it's not, you see? It's something that you do for your sustenance because you said that the art business is not so easy. So this has been there for many, many centuries, many—the hunting as a means of sustenance has been around for a long, long time. So if you feel that this is what life is guiding you to, I find no judgment with that. And even if you were to say that this is something that has been there and it's been something we like to go fishing, something like this, I cannot find myself able to judge that.
Yes, yes, that's, that's lovely to hear. I remember Mooji as well, uh, often mentioning it, um, you know, about vegetarianism and a certain, a certain radical, you know, preference for it being something uniquely spiritual and so forth. So I'm, I'm happy to feel that encouragement. However, having said that, um, you know, I'm now taking a, an underwater video camera with me which I, I often find I, I, uh, um, intermittently, you know, pick it up and, and start. Because you see the thing is, even the fish that I catch for dinner, you know, or if I get some big ones I, I sell, you know, what I can't eat, um, you know, I feel tremendous love for them as well. And, and in a way, in in the game of death and life and everything that's perishable, you know, it's, uh, it's a rather over-dramatized, um, thing, this nature of, um, of, uh, ecology as we, where people put it today, you know? You know, we're going to be eaten up by maggots when we die, you know? You know, it's really bizarre, but, uh, it's totally true. Um, you know, our body is going to be just massacred by, by bacteria and so forth. So, um, but that's a bit of a conceptual, uh, justification. But energetically, uh, I, there is a shift. I can feel there's a slight shift. And, um, and actually I'm, I'm exposing more of my art now. There was a, an art challenge on, on Facebook as well, I took on to that and, uh, and, and took some things out of the chest, you know, just to, uh, just to go on the arty side. But I just wanted to put that in the fire really, um, just exposed.
It's very good. So let life take care of itself and you will find that if it is clear that the shift is happening away from something, then something else will also show up at the same time. You don't have to force any shifting. If something has to shift from something to something else, let it happen. In my case actually, I...
I took on to that and took some things out of the chest, you know, just to go on the Arty side. But I just wanted to put that in the fire really, just exposed.
It's very good. So let life take care of itself and you will find that if it is clear that the shift is happening away from something, then something else will also show up at the same time. You don't have to force any shifting. If something has to shift from something to something else, let it happen. In my case, actually, I don't know whether some of you know that most of my life had gone in this belief that God is for losers. So I was completely atheistic. I had these concepts of science and things. And then something just automatically started shifting. Automatically, even before any concepts of spirituality, it just shifted towards vegetarianism. I stopped eating my steaks, which I used to enjoy, and things like that just happened automatically. And then even then, I continued to be an atheist, and then life also suffering came, and then openness to spirituality came, you see. And then, but there's complete openness here. If it needs to shift again and shift to something else, I'm completely fine. So we don't need to label it and say, 'Because I'm spiritual, hence I must be like this,' because all this is not what it is about. A lot of this is driven culturally, how we've been brought up, what times we've grown up in; all these things are playing out in that way. Most important is to see: What is it that I truly am right now? And then we see that I am just this simple awareness within which life takes birth. And if life is taking birth, then let life take care of itself. No need to manage any of these things also, okay? And yes, if there's some happening in your heart and you see that, 'Yes, I'm moving away from this and into something else,' then let that play out. Don't push it, don't rush it, don't be egoic for any sort of outcome. Just let it clear itself out. It is supremely intelligent. Life is supremely intelligent, so let it clear the vehicle it has to.
Just to add to that, you're probably aware that Brazil has a very sort of Afro-influence of Candomblé and stuff. And once I was in the big city and circumstances met me with a visionary, you know, a sort of Afro-kind of culture visionary. And I put this question to him, and I said that I wasn't feeling very good about killing anymore, even if it was for sustenance and stuff. And he said to me in a really profound way, he said to me very simply, he said, 'The person that eats the fish you caught is blessed.' And it just blew me away because I couldn't... and I started making excuses for it saying, 'No, no, it's African primitive dialectics, you know, he's just saying what is normal for a hunter in Africa, you know, there's no guilt about it.' But now that you're saying this, it sort of rounds it off and I think I can feel more at peace with this transition happening, you know, totally on its own accord and falling away like autumn leaves, actually.
Exactly, yeah. Thank you. Thank you, my love. Thank you. Thank you, my love. Okay, Radha is getting ready to sing. We've gone on for a fair bit now. Let's have a song.
Thank you, Elizabeth. It's time for your invocations now.
Om Sarve Bhavantu Sukhinah. Sarve Santu Nir-Aamayaah. Sarve Bhadraanni Pashyantu Maa Kashcid-Duhkha-Bhaag-Bhavet. Om Shanti Shanti Shanti. Om Asato Maa Sad-Gamaya. Tamaso Maa Jyotir-Gamaya. Mrtyor-Maa Amrtam Gamaya. Om Shanti Shanti Shanti. Thank you. It was a beautiful satsang where we went from every aspect. We talked about the creation of the universe and the cosmos being born inside you, and also about how to deal with house guests. The message is the same, is it not? Let God do everything there is to be. Thank you all so very much for being in satsang today. Okay. Thank you. Closing the broadcast now. Thank you all on YouTube as well.
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