You Can Only Suffer If You Have an Idea of What Must

It Takes The Seeking Out Of Seeker What is that knowing which is not a thought or a perception? It sounds a bit like we can put some distance using this (no), because we already have some concepts of ‘knowingness, awareness, what is that knowing when it doesn’t sound egoistic, egoistical, all these things.’ [Laughs] What do you know, without needing a thought or a perception? Some knowing sitting there, who cares about that? What is it that you know? Because this can happen also, over the years it has happened - we’re sort of doing one nostalgic trip through the years of Satsang in a way. Because many times we’ve come to great insight, but we end up with this in one way or the other saying ‘Yes, yes, there is Awareness’. And to Awareness, nothing is happening. And it took me a while to figure out why that still sounds like a problem. Then I figured that what you are really saying is that, ‘to Awareness nothing is happening. But, Ananta, what about me?’ [Ananta and Sangha laugh] You see? So, then at one time we’d even get in another pointer which is ‘Who is aware of this Awareness?’ Because when you said, ‘Are you aware now?’ Then we saw that there is Awareness, untouched, unmoved, everything is fine. The manifest plays out beautifully but it has no impact on this Awareness. But the mind makes an experience out of that and says, ‘Okay, Awareness is one is one thing sitting over there and the manifest is this whole thing sitting over here. But, what about me? ‘[Smile] So when we say, ‘Who is aware of this Awareness?’ Then the gap between ‘I’ -- big I -- and this awareness starts to close down. and actually there is no distinction. So in the same way if we just say, ‘What is that Knowing?’ Then we say, ‘To Knowingness nothing is happening.’ So, I want to keep it like that ‘What do you know, without needing a thought or perception?’ [Silence] And this is very useful in a way because it also can be asked this way. What is that you want, which is not a thought or perception? It takes the seeking out of the seeker. [Laughs] Or else we can just say the struggle, struggling out of the seeker. Because we can only struggle for trying to fill the right thoughts into our intellect or to get some set of experiences which we think will be very, very final or something. Isn’t it? And then one new thought can some and say ‘Yes, yes, now this is causing all the problem. So I must come to the end of thought. Manonasha. I come to the end of thought, then I am fine.’ But end of thoughts also is a thought. So, who must come to it anyway? [Silence] And even nothing, is not the answer in case you are quietly settling for that. [Laughs] You might be settling like that no that ‘What do I need to know, without a thought or perception?’ You say nothing. Or even no-thing [miles] is just a thought.