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You Are Neither a Thing nor Nothing - 7th March 2018

March 7, 201856:57170 views

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Ananta guides seekers to drop false identifications by recognizing that the true Self is beyond time, location, and states. He encourages a direct shift from mental knowledge to the experiential insight of being the non-phenomenal witness.

The truth that you have found has no opposite; if it is a state, it is not the truth.
Everything you say after ‘I am’ is a lie; you are that from which even ‘I am’ rises.
You are not an object, nor are you nothing. You are the witness beyond all attributes.

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Transcript

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Ananta

Namaste everyone. Welcome to satsang today. So, it's Guru Sri Mooji Baba ki Jai. Time to time, I have been sharing these clues, these clues for your self-recognition. Or you'd be better to call it the cues that help us properly end these false ideas about ourselves. The self-recognition is just a pattern. It is only these wrong ideas that we believe about ourselves that seem to be dropped as we come to satsang. That is why when one said to me, 'Knowledge is merely the dropping of that which is false,' to me it sounded like the best news. It's like I am holding on to some garbage; it just has to be thrown away or picked up, but the truth is already there.

Ananta

So then the troubling part of it—that I have to get to it, what should I do to get it out, should I stay, is this better for me, how is that better for me—all that goes. For if the truth that you have found has an opposite, then it is not the truth. If the truth that you have found has an opposite which is the false, then the truth that you have found... so what you claim to have found is just a falsehood. If the truth that you have found is a state, like in certain states, and that is it, and it is a denial of the opposite state, then it is not the truth. If it is a position, any reference that you have to be only a certain way, that is the truth, then that is not the case. If the truth that you have found has any of these: location, duration, any motion, then it is not the truth.

Ananta

If you feel like you have found the truth in this location, that is not the truth. If you feel the truth has some duration, that it's now, so it started now, your truth has always been. We feel like, 'I get a call when I have a particular state and that was my true state.' That is in the manner of other states which are appearing; that is not freedom. Mukti, by very definition, is that this is full freedom to experience whatever is in this field. There is no opposition to this field. All oppositions opposing each other, they are witnessed by that which is free. Is this easy or difficult? It is neither. Although conversationally sometimes we have to say it's really very simple, and at the same time we might also say it's not for everyone because actually, all these positions are shattering. More and more you will become comfortable with this: referring to yourselves location-lessly, duration-lessly. And also call this openness.

Ananta

Where are you placing yourself right now? Know that you are not contained in that. You might contain that, but it does not contain you. This body is nothing but a painting you have made for yourself, but you also painted the rest of the world. Where is the thing that created it, the painting? Now there could be a character, the painter created this for her likeness, that's me. The paint particles will have that particular character, a lot more intimacy, but does that change the reality of what you are? And the motion of this meeting, on these things, for your location, for their concepts of past and future, that is why this being is so tiring. If I said, 'Oh, you don't expend any energy whatsoever, anything at all,' most of you will say, 'But it is a habit. These thoughts, they come and they do expend my energy to believe them, to look at them.'

Ananta

I want to tell you that you become very comfortable with 'I don't know' without a reference model. But someone feels some fear can come, feel like you've lost all ground to stand on, because what I'm really saying is that there is no up, there is no down, left or right, front or back. Although this is in the painting, there is that which witnesses this. Where is the witness of all that is manifest? And don't go to any knowledge, any mental knowledge of this. All you have to do is check right now. Who is the one that is hearing these words? Where is the one receiving all these appearances? Who is that? Who can tell me a story about this one? The story of this one, the one that is witnessing all of this—does that one want freedom? Does the concept of 'one' apply to it? Is it a state? Is it a thing? Are you all thinking? Are you even nothing? Neither a thing nor nothing.

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Ananta

Oh, you mean the fact that you're neither a thing nor nothing? But they do this mentally. There must be already this deep inside that I am not an object, nor am I a senseless nothing. Dealing with this fact that no notion actually applies to you, even the notions themselves, nobody can deal with it. We're here, boy, perhaps it would also be a notion. How many are open to this? That no notion could apply. Without applying any notion to yourself, look at yourself. That will give a sense of motionless travel, without any past or future, any location, without any reference. All of us are turning into one big ogre, one big... forget about it. What are you going to do about this freedom thing? 90% there, 99% step to become free? I can't say yet. But I would have invested so many years of my life and my pH... how many come to satsang and say, 'I'm at the edge of the cliff, please push me off the path, just push me off'?

Ananta

Okay, in this moment the 'me' is pushed off. We're here. Is there a 'me' in you now? That which has been truth is always true. That which has been false has never been. There are a lot of beings trying to get rid of 'me,' once like the thief pretending to be the police, wanting to catch the thief. If it was not true that you're free right now in this very moment, concept-lessly, do you feel like I'd be such a big liar to say this to you every day?

Ananta

And I know that your doubt can take many colors. Some can say, 'Okay, but he's just talking about his state, you see. He must have forgotten what it's like to suffer.' Some can say, 'He's just being nice.' One time, one also said, 'Father, actually you've given up on us, so now you just want us to feel good by saying no, no, this is all there is.' What happens when you check on what is? Check on this 'is-ness.' Is it going, expecting to find an end? We're checking inside this field at all. It's not ant, it's elephant. Not even a little. Beyond all concepts of space. This is your taste of yourself right now. This is your taste of yourself, that everything is contained within you, all your experience within yourself. So this 'I Am' is already all there is, and you are that from which even this 'I Am' rises. This consciousness, your manifest aspect, and this manifest aspect contains all manifestation.

Ananta

Everything you say after 'I Am' is a lie. 'I am not getting this' is a lie. 'I am getting this' is a lie. 'I am agreeing with you'—that's definitely not an agreement. All lies. Why? Because you have to attach something to this consciousness to pick up the pose, the mask of limitation. Is it possible to limit this 'I Am' without any attributes? Yes, it is not just possible, but that's how you are starting this moment right now. The more accurate description of this limitation is somebody who can do it, some more life. That which is a moment of time arising in you, that you in which it is arising, it's already empty of it. But it creates for itself the possibility to pretend as if it isn't so. Easier to see right now you are empty of it. Without thinking about it, can you tell me what limitation you have? Until the thought comes, what is your limitation? Look at the body, but it's an innocent appearance. It's a couple appearing within me.

Ananta

And if you have the possibility of giving this notion of 'me' to some appearance, let me give it to everything that is appearing, including the space which is also just an appearance. Like I was saying the other day, why be so miserly that you call only one appearance 'me'? Nobody's answered a little himself who once lived in yesterday's England. Supposing you believe yourself to be an ant, then you met the master and said, 'What you consider yourself to be, just believe this hand more.' You start going through it. It's not enough. Include all the ants. Say, 'I am just every ant, every object, everything.' Now add this feeling that all the time also disappears. Then the master says, 'But also include that which witnesses all this. Why do you leave that out?' I don't mean that which witnesses all of this. The ant is feeling like they're having one big ant party, good insects, but they didn't start going through that which witnesses all of this. Then just invited the elephant to this party. Now all the motions of your ant-ness are going to be crushed.

Ananta

And somewhere you get a feeling of this already as you start to look within yourself, as you start to include that which is non-phenomenal awareness. You start to get a feel that, 'Oh, all my ideas about myself are going to be thrashed.' And I want you to taste what I'm saying in this. Look at it. Resolution: include everything and don't forget to include that which witnesses everything. All that money, whatever. Can you contain this within your body? You find that you are everything. That which is beyond all things, can you contain that within an object? Okay, how many feel like they are mostly to you that they are not an object? Some point to this and it is completely clear that this body is an object, that you cannot be an object. Now that the body is clear, the body is an object. What I'm saying is clear: the body, it is also more and more clear that I am not an object. Then can we turn an object into this glass? So, what can you say about this one?

Ananta

And is it also that because nothing can... nothing look, you are that nothing which is the background. So you are the background that moves in this atmosphere, and that space includes even this space, because not even containing, but this space is not contained. Find now that which witnesses even this produced space. Say, in this space or not space, I never have to do anything to see everything. Because as most of you know, that I'm really not interested in what you're going to see, I'm more interested in this. Forget about division. Nobody, I think I just said, who is looking at even this space which is so spacious, that it contains worlds? Is it because it is lost? It has no photography, it has no attribute whatsoever. So when they also said that all our ideas of time and space do not apply to it, do not apply to you. And all our emotions are about a million times in space. So even when this elephant came into this party, all that we have believed about this, you get white as much as you like.

Ananta

See, with this consciousness you have full freedom to play with as many concepts for as long as you like. But if you say, 'Give me a way, wipe the slate clean,' now I'm saying wipe this aspect to feel a non-phenomenal self into your attendees' room. Concept-lessly, seamlessly. And if you feel like it is too much to make it, you will pick up the... even if I said it, what I mean is, so pick up the pretense of being an individualized being. No, she comes like my relationship.

Seeker

So like he says, the confusion comes sometimes then I see that I am not that which is seen, but I'm not just that anyway. I'm more like seeing. But the confusion comes when I'm trying to pinpoint the relationship between that which is seen and the seeing itself. Yet still there's a feeling of waiting for it to go away, thing is resisting already being free of it.

Ananta

Yeah, so let's go really slowly. So there is a pain in the body which is obviously an unpleasant taste. Then you see that there is no waiting for it to go away. So when you say there is a waiting, what is it in the sense? How... what is the taste of this waiting? Is it energetic? Is it every time the concept comes, 'But this should go,' it finds easier belief? What do you mean by 'there is a waiting'?

Seeker

So there's not a voice which is saying that, it's being built in the will, isn't it? That this is a pain and there seems to be that this is something in opposition to that, and both are fine. That which sees both of these, is it... is it a lie? I will do this or that, I will be satisfied just... it's so small reception. There are 4,000 euros, but this is now, it's the right influence, but it's still indifference. Easier to just check. It's the doubt is that, that sometimes it feels like that's property of the seeing then, because and yet at the same time it seems like us.

Ananta

Okay, so let's look at this again. Now you say that I can't locate this feeling of waiting, nor the sensation.

Ananta

That which sees both of these, is it a light? I will do this or that, I will be satisfied. It's so small, the perception. There are 4,000 views, but this is now. It's the right influence, but it's still in difference. Easier to just check.

Seeker

The doubt is that sometimes it feels like that's a property of the seeing, and yet at the same time, it seems like us.

Ananta

Okay, so let's look at this again. Now you say that 'I can't locate this feeling of waiting, nor the sensation of waiting, yet I feel it to be true.' Does that mean that you seek the freedom of it to be true, or what does it mean? I know it can sound very technical, but I know in your hearts you're hearing what I'm saying. So say, 'I feel like this waiting is true.' By the heart, is it coming that this waiting is true? Everything, yes, very easy to give scent to. Or is there a perception of a feeling which has been labeled with 'waiting'?

Ananta

So, is this waiting just a mental position, or is this waiting actually felt or experienced or tasted as well? Actual perception? Is it a mental position which is a false position? The weights are told in that reaction because you cannot find them sensationally. So to tell you clearly, yes, to the idea 'I am waiting for it to go,' are you actually waiting for it to go? That's what we're looking at. Is there a substance to that which we call the waiting, or is it just an idea of waiting?

Seeker

I can see that awareness, and I also can't find myself as separate, and yet this seems... it's so... I can see our system by itself.

Ananta

Yes. What is it naturally present? If in this moment you forgot about the notion of waiting, is there everything with Spanish? Yeah, it's like a sense or some anticipation thing, just what's going to happen now. When is it critical? Something basic. Is this more? Because I feel that it's a beautiful contemplation which really does not really look that we think so clearly. And many others are like waiting for freedom. So for me, it's a very beautiful contemplation to check: what is this waiting? And by virtue of taking the position of waiting, does that actually become like a sensation when you are waiting? Only though for those who are attracted to this kind of doubt, he is with my ally looking really great. Things go essentially. Seemingly, life seems to bring about, but the awareness that I have, its weight... that's... yeah, that's why. Because the truth is ever-present, you can just use what is to check on this.

Ananta

So there is a pain. There is another type of pain which we are waiting, or another type of sensation which we are waiting. It is checking whether the appearance of this second sensation actually makes a position to that which I truly am. Can anything actually—any sensation, any concept—and we are not just referring now, we're checking because all of us have our favorite position. So although we claim satsang, we can say no, but you can come to that. We come to our favorite position. We don't feel like, 'Oh, this is not possible for him to actually...' We are attached to this or to be in that position. I know that being in satsang, all of you will be able to say, 'But I am that which is a pure thing which cannot be contained in any sensation, perception, or marking.' But use every opportunity to check this, confirm this for yourself. Is there another one that you are that can actually need and stream by supporters? It's the same.

Seeker

Is there like... just before you said it down, maybe this is this? I think that idea because when I'm checking, I want to stay away from... I see, you know, absolutely. It's usually but it's a resistance to say no, yet it's because the doubt hits. Yeah, anyway, actually I just thought since that I hear so many times, it's just being some kind of...

Ananta

This is a very important point he's bringing out. He's saying that that which I'm able to check and see, it is not true, and yet something feels so strange to me just to report that that is not true. So I do think they called it that is in the top ten hits, the favorite ideas which, in spite of our truest insight, the full integrity of having this insight that it is not actually contained with that which is not, but in the reality of what I am, and yet they can feel like there's been more allegiance to a particular idea that I can see, like, 'Was this actually true?'

Ananta

And all of us are a few here, it's like that. These are very important to bring. Trust your insight more than anything else. You know, the Master's words are just to enable these examples, the point. The question is: where to at least this 'I'? Is there a way to at least this 'I'? Now we have relied on ideas, we relied on inferences. Now rely on your insight. All these items, they dwell at least aside where I just go with an idea of who I am, where I go with the intellectual influence about who I am. Can I stay with my direct insight and direct experience? That's why I keep asking these days: who does the 'I' represent? Is it representing a thought? Is it representing a sensation or a group of sensations? Is it some weird mixture of thoughts and sensations? And find that everything that is about location and time is not applicable to you. That is why my new full will become so in a kill, in elephant, because all the terms that we use to refer to ourselves have been about time-space. I am the light, writing-related awareness of my own existential reality in silence. Thank you so much for being in satsang today. Mooji Baba Ki Jai.