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This Knowingness Is Not a Subject of Perception - 15th February 2018

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Ananta guides seekers to recognize that suffering stems from a mistaken identity with a limited person. He reveals that our true nature is the attribute-less witness, which is already present and requires no effort to become.

The source of all confusion and suffering is nothing but mistaken identity.
You are that which witnesses all that is changing, yet you are not an object.
Identity is purely notional; everything can appear and disappear without you becoming attached.

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mistaken identityself-inquirywitnessingconsciousnessego dissolutionnature of beliefnon-dualitydirect insight

Transcript

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Ananta

I said, 'Lúcia Mooji Baba Ki Jai.' The source of all confusion and suffering is nothing but confusion, and the source of all of it is only the mistaken identity. We identify with something that doesn't exist, has never existed. And actually, we might even say that we have to change our identification to the right one, but we don't even have to do that. You only have to drop that which is false. Actually, you don't even have to do that because it is already gone. So then what is left? The source of all confusion, all suffering, is mistaken identity, and we don't even have to drop it because what you are just now is not this identity. You don't have any identity right now, but within the content of this 'now,' you seem to play this game, the game of identification.

Ananta

So what we're doing in satsang is coming to clarity about what is here just now, and we can explore what term describes that best a little later. First, we come to this exploration of what is just here, and then you can tell me whether it is a person or whether it is God. This exploration is during while it's nothing difficult, nothing complicated. What is here? Let's see what we find. What is here? Is there just 'I'? That 'I' that you are, does it have boundaries? Which one is here? Or did the boundaries of this one and the attributes of this 'I'—we can go step-by-step.

Ananta

I started something that seems really easy. All of these appearances—our body is here, the table is here, this computer is here, this voice is doing all of this is here. So, where are all of these in this apparent space? When really, in these apparent things, there is all of this appearance and space perceived. And you perceive within you or outside? The perception of our appearance includes the appearances of thoughts, every imagination, physical sensation. But there must be space within you that perceives, that experiences even this space in which all appearances are coming. And within all these appearances and sensation and perception, is there a special one that contains an entity called 'me'? And do any of these sensations contain a personal entity?

Ananta

Also check: where are you witnessing all of this from? What is the location of this witness, and what does this witness look like? How does the witness appear to itself? And if this witness has no appearance, how do you know that there is a witness? Don't give these questions to the mind; they will be extremely torturous. Look for yourself. Always looking: what is witnessing all that is seen? No interpretation nor judgment is needed, no answers. What is the witness of all things? Is it there? Is there the witness? You see, is it missing? It is there, but we can't find the one who is witnessing. And how do we know that witnessing is there? Because you know. Because we know. Yes, we do.

Seeker

Do you see it? Yeah, what sees it? What witnesses even this? Yeah, behind something. There he was. He is very hard to see because your transition... see, that is what gives the eyes that try to see the witness. Is that the witness? I cannot find the 'I'. I cannot find the witness. If the witness is not found, then who found that the witness is not found? The witness is even after defeating. See, our pursuit of... this knowingness is not a subject of perception. This knowingness is beyond concepts and percepts, your own ideas and perceptions.

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Ananta

So how is it that when we check, it is so clear that 'I' is this itself? Because no position in time feels... and yet we mostly return to the pose as if we are some other way. What makes this company so like a new place? So in time, you transcend and she moves to anything that comes up. That is the level of 'I'. So attention is going, and yet attention is reporting back to who? To something with attributes? It is reporting back to something without attributes. And it is reporting back to you, or yes? So even the play of attention, it must be apparent that all of this content is being witnessed just by this attributeless one.

Ananta

So you know, with the movement of attention, we believe something actually gains. Yes. But you see, how come it is that this attributeless, timeless one, which I am finding myself to be, seems to put on a garb of something limited? Within this, there is the ability to believe something. There is something we need to latch onto, alright? And so an actual tool of 'me' is... it almost seems like some ability to latch onto a word or believe. What believe? Some appearance. This appearance is the entity; believe it. So it has to have a personal 'I'. I agree. I see all moving, this will be going. Does it affect me or not? So the object... is it possible to believe objects in themselves? We have time. It's beautiful contemplation.

Seeker

You say that attention goes to these things, these objects, and because of that, they can be believed. No, only if attention is so... when attention goes to objects, we can either... there is the possibility is there.

Ananta

How do we do this? Suppose the job was the opposite. You say that in the presence, in my presence, you agree that you are this qualityless, attributeless one. But outside of satsang, I associate with this body. So suppose now the task was... everywhere we just see that you are that attributeless, qualityless one, but now the task is to come into a self-help program as to how to associate with the body. Suppose it was the opposite way. So then what would you need to do to identify as the one? Is it the looking of it? Is it the attention on giving? And I said, what would be really the clearance in itself doesn't offer anything to believe. What is it that has the possibility of belief?

Ananta

Slowly. So now look at the body. How do you believe it to be? To believe also goes to that which we call the notion. It cannot go to an object by itself. Without the interpretation of an object, there is nothing to believe or disbelieve. We are perceiving objects; in that perception, there is nothing to believe or disbelieve. One particular type of perception has to come, which we call thought. And this thought has been taught to us: 'This is me.' And then when it comes, 'I hope he doesn't hurt me' or 'I hope I get a good insight,' successfully something like this. With that, we believe in this 'me' or 'I' which is very seemingly intimately connected with this body, but motionlessly or something. Try to do... don't connect your notion and pose as if you are limited.

Ananta

It's like I did your old claim. I say, 'I'm making a movie in which you are the Superintendent of Police of Delhi.' This is starting that role. But can you do it without any notion about it? In the same way, you claim the role of Mila, but it is impossible to claim unless you have some notion of Mila. So identity is purely notional. It's purely emotional. Even the appearance of all these appearances, the intimacy of sensations—none of this is enough to make a limited or the play of 'me,' the play of a limited identity here. So everything can be allowed to appear and disappear as it is. You do not become attached or identify unless you have a concept, you have a notion about yourself. In this moment, you are not Mira. Maybe only after I said you are not Mira, then the thinking, 'Oh, Mira, my identity of that...'

Ananta

I know first the ego is a person. This is the beauty of your being, that it continues to exist and it means nothing at all. Their existence here is effortless; their egotism means a lot of it. Now the funny thing is the ego has taken on the project of coming to freedom and it's trying to do it through as well. 'I have to get to it.' We already are. Our starting point itself, we come as if we are a limited one, but that is not starting also from the position of truth. Can we find the one who wants freedom? If I hadn't given all this context and I came to the satsang, can we find the one that is bound? Yes, I can just prepare for the... and like very much one year was asking, 'Oh yes, it's just the thought we believe.' Like, believe me, it's a thought.

Ananta

Yes, it is. All energy comes from consciousness. Easy belief also is an aspect of consciousness itself. Somehow in the play, consciousness is designed in this way that it is believed, it is used of this belief energy, and believed itself to be a limited entity. And even in the dissolution of false belief, it is extracting all the juice from that. Clearly, that's why it creates this kind of environment of satsang. Somebody who is saying, 'Good, I stopped believing that I am something like this.' And this is how it is. It's all consciousness playing with itself, but it's extracting the taste from every moment, even the dissolution of identity like this. You can also try it and see what happens. Find the new you and then follow this consciousness playing this game through itself. See this for you to enjoy. That answer can come later, please. But you're absolutely right that even this play of belief and coming to openness, coming to this waiting room, this is crystal clear of consciousness itself.

Ananta

All energy for you... you will find that in the play, it seems to be designed in such a way that as belief is withdrawn, it cannot... only belief is not so sticky. But you'll find attention goes on our system that would seem to constantly get our attention in the past. Now, to wheels... this is the main two parts in such a great decision. So the link is what? 'I am something.' So that 'I am' is effortless. It is our... isn't your existence here now effortless? You just are. But to play as something, you usually just this way as that something you stand. So this 'something else' can only be attached to you with belief. Can you play something without me doing anything? So how do we withdraw from this something notional?

Ananta

It's two: first, if your compliment is like that, just let it go and let it be. The thoughts come and go. This is the path of surrender. Everything the mind is offering you, you don't even have to say 'bad thoughts.' There's nothing to do with you. A father has to dissolve it; he is doing it. That is surrender. Second, those that will do it... if the mind is not like that, it's more inquiry. Go inquire, inquisitive, and says, 'I have to find freedom.' Then you pull that into inquiry and say, 'Who is here that has to find freedom?' And if we look without judgment, without any preconceived notions, we find that there is no such entity here that is bound. No such entity that is bound. So then the notion 'I want freedom' is not a cry. You see that? Because the 'I am' that wants freedom just doesn't exist. So there is nothing to believe.

Ananta

That's like saying, 'Oh, whose flight to Finland got canceled?' But the flight to Finland got canceled. Say, 'I'm afraid to fly.' The one that had to fly doesn't exist. So then this thought cannot bother you, cannot get attached to who I am. Do not play as if I'm... so what happens if you buy the thought 'I want freedom'? Then what you are believing about yourself is that 'I am a seeker.' 'I am,' which was effortless, notionless, and boundless, that itself picks up the notion 'I am a seeker,' and that itself is a very limiting identity. Reason does allow entry. So, 'I'm a seeker' or what you're talking about? I can practice. Who is the seeker at all? I don't want to find the one who is bound. So you notice that these thoughts do not apply to you. It's a wrong number. Somebody calls you, you realize, and he keeps talking. One sort of it will first be subject only to the extent that seeker identity... it is wrong because the 'I' whom he is speaking to does not exist. As you see that none of this has anything to do with you, this is not going as you make it all as I run Tiruvannamalai. Please do not select an answer for this. Almost all authorities for this, but most of spirituality, it is allowed the self now which is needed, the practice which we needed to prevent attention from going to these notions. So instead of attention going to 'What am I missing?', bring your attention to that.

Ananta

If identity is wrong, it is because the 'I' the mover is speaking to does not exist. As you see that none of this has anything to do with you, this is not going as you make it all as I run. Tiruvannamalai, please do not select an 'I'. So for this, almost all authorities for this, but most of spirituality, it is about the Self now, which is needed. The practice which we needed to prevent attention from going to these notions. So instead of attention going to 'What am I missing?', bring your attention to that here. We try to force our attention, keep it with the breath or jumps of any notion getting to. Instead of attention going to these notions, attention can go to mantra. That is the... so those parts which are looking on their attention aspect of me, those are not oriented towards practice. All those parts which I believe are working on the business-oriented aspects of it, those are models sending you here.

Ananta

Within five minutes, all of the power that primarily, or at least most unchangingly, you are that which witnesses all that is changing. And yet we started to explore: how is it that this one which you primarily are, kept clear as if it is a limited object and came with another limited object which is made up of a bucket of flesh and blood? As if you're a tiny object contained within this bucket of flesh and blood. That's almost true finality. People seem to be spending their time standing there by and having no investigation at all. Is there really something called 'me' contained in any of those? Let me start to explore this. There cannot be. It just is. More poorly has found so when the consciousness starts playing us with Maya, since the mind cannot get sucked in, it is not objective. Yes, who's that? It is not objective, it is not existing exactly. And so you are that can be done again through the tree.

Ananta

He says that, oh, my mind in its design cannot really fathom something which is not objective. So then it relies on whatever objects are there to convince you that you cannot be this non-phenomenal one. You must be an object which is part of this world of objects. And yet your true experience in all moments is contrary to that. Yes, actually truth is apparent to you motionlessly right now. We will just meet yourself without an idea and expectation, without any charge, because without any expectation, some more tips a bit. Meet yourself as that which perceives those objects. Who is that? You are perceiving them. This is undeniable. What can we say about this 'I' which is perceiving them? Psychology says his piraha quest remembers why? Because it eats up all that is false. The fish that Ram has, the flesh-eating fish. This Rama question himself is the perceiver because he... so we need your industry. My CC means yeah, yes, very cruel irony.

Ananta

The exact distinction is only conversational. So never seeing you without not really looking on here. Yes, exactly. A perfect... and you cannot because of the exact... it is just notions that we are given, theoretical constructs. They are real, created for appearances. They are appearing. There is no such thing as the body. Yes, yesterday, one day we traveled by and you know, they get angry. You're taught to include all these sensations. Magic in your talk. Easy to say, 'Okay, everything is usually is your body except the most this one sensational.' This is not you. This is how it is. Everything is seen as one appearance. It was taught to decorate. This is you. I see everything you else better to you. You've all done this. Where is your head? Your head, everything is over exactly because your head, the 'oh', is this 'you' was reinforced in every notion. And then that is the clear this world.

Ananta

I'm not recommending, by the way, to parents the... let me see. Whatever their boundary you have cannot either answer is continuing the question, but the boundary itself is just actually I can't see this boundary question anything about in the past on it. Crisp, and it's about you know, because you imagine. I'd imagine something. Those of you who experience as if the mind is terms of visual looks never-ending squeeze. Find out where that is. Go to that space which contains of each world of never-ending. I said the wall which has a painting of intimidation. So all the perception that people surrounding are not there, then I won't bound the boundless. So suppose you close your eyes, there is no visual perception. Suppose, which is impossible on this road, there is no audio perception. If we just have to imagine it, there is no perception of any sort. So the truth does not need any precondition. It is only the false which needs preconditions. That is the preconditions: there must be a perception of some object and there must be an interpretation of this perception which is 'me'. What sounds like more hard work? Suppose the truth is most a true, the false is a lot of... but I am well aware that when effort has become habit, then effort starts to feel likely to the effort wails and coming to rest initially can feel like a bit of a flow.

Ananta

That is why I wanted this long. As you feel like you have to make the effort does not mean that he didn't realize that it is coming to the effortlessness. He also explained that it is keeping the heavy bag down, which Ramani can sing like a bird. But actually, the authorities are carrying the builder of person is actually the effort. From what perspective? From the sense that it is the one that consumes energy. Energy is needed. Who you believe yourself to be something elementary. Hope to see that not anything does not need anything including action or not take this motion. That whole consciousness is getting tired because it is expecting all this evolution never truly where God is unlimited. Raise over it's a better use. Easter, now you're tired of playing this game. It exists in the design of the alarm clock. What is never time? And then what the game is like? We've been hanging out at some place and then you need a new friend. Come, come to more to actually this other place and this is so much fun. I'm the new friend. Did you actually better what God? God is here produce down exactly their individuality. Yes, that's the fun of this movie.

Ananta

What is taken away is the sense of limited 'me' and they throw the idea of 'What's going to happen to me?'. We had this question. Is the fear of 'What's going to happen to me?'. So it was very natural for that to come up. And Guruji says that when he was having this recognition, this insight, he had this fear. Mind would come and say with you because they do not become like a hunchback bigger, Quasimodo. The Quasimodo idea would come. So what's going to happen to me? Sit here because of all our life you spend the shingles idea of 'What's in it for me?'. Happen to really upset.

Ananta

And I've seen good examples where motionlessly you find yourself static for the special of study where will study exactly. And sometimes I've seen they just... I think this is I do mean it is Grace. Someone should make business going out in ocean. Vision is perception or sight. Sight which is here and the sight is coming back. So everything, all attention is coming back to yourself. Yes, and this Self we find there is no more attributes, no location, motivation. So in water, it is visual appearance that means to me. I think and rather clear the visual perspective seems to be like here's an exercise: there is an object, me peering out of this. But what if it is investigated? Go backwards that this thing, okay, where is it actually going back to? Who is here who is accepting all of this visual content? Has no objective, no boundary or saris and she cannot be contained.

Ananta

In fact, my investigation you will find that that which we are calling our hair is a set of sensations which are appearing within them. So then we look this field, it can seem like there must be an object here sitting in assimilating all this visual input. But when you really look at this field, say where is all of this coming? Where is all of this coming? I couldn't see. Sometimes says, 'Who is looking from behind those eyes?'. Beautiful question. There is no object there behind those eyes. So sometimes I said, 'Is the back of your head in front of you or behind?'. So now what happens with the visual perspective putting the world outside? That is what technically this sensation of seeing is the only sensation that I find is footing. But even under and there is appearance of a world using and this world is being perceived by me. This 'me' which is prism. Anybody who looks back and sees who is all of this coming to, we find that that which is here actually contains all of this perception and the space in which all of this perception is.

Ananta

So this is the invitation to check or to the nature of the 'me' which seems to be preceding the one. That's why this particular stringy very good and this for single we're asleep. We start to investigate the nature of this 'me', then you will find there nobody sitting here like that that we presumed all this time. You're right that it is almost actually because let the mind be as noisy as it wants. Let the mind be as noisy as it wants and use that also an opportunity to ask, 'What perceives you?'. Do this. Oh, who's they? Because otherwise what can happen is that we can have this... we can have this notion like we set off the expectation that the mind... the mind is quiet, then I have three years they're trying to do whatever it wants. Is that I say often, isn't it? If you didn't have to cross a portal, then it doesn't bother you how much effect is. If you feel like you have to cross through something, you'll overcome the mind or you have to transcend the mind or something like that. See, then it can feel like it's like an cross. If there is not so much, I am saying as you are, you are all there is. The state of your mind also is unimportant. Let everything come and go as it likes and you will suffer only when you give your consent or assent to the idea that you are a limited one.

Seeker

Is it understanding it because you have an insight about these? So this understanding is different from classroom understanding?

Ananta

Yes, yes. Because this understanding, as opposed to a classroom understanding which is we are here collecting a set of concepts, here you just seen for yourself that this is true. So this understanding is will people level then just a set of concept. It's like you're getting a guided tour in your own being. That's a different understanding from just reading a book about yoga until go to these aquariums. We've seen the job, you see the... we receive various types of fish. The different understanding from reading the shark. So we got used to conception sort of understanding and satsang like this is you're being given a guided to out of this University. So I said that all that is being spoken in satsang is because why are you are the Self? Suppose don't have to say anything but getting so when but one since silence in the West reaching it is absolutely true. But there comes a point of time in which the silence is a teaching can be isolated is income fresh loose at satsang who is himself mind is fully make all these can see.

Ananta

So then because all this is the master says you understand there is no separation, nothing is. Yesterday I don't want to sell good yesterday my husband then who there is no existence but we know because we are learn on this part as a prism presumed entity 'me'. And when it becomes an investigated entity and you find that actually this is the opposite way the finishing because of the units that is a very important because many times even when I've asked, 'Are you aware now?', I can only say this because I'm aware of something. How many have said that? 'I can only say I'm aware because I am aware of...'. So then oh no what the where is Lizzy because when we say 'I am walking on the street', we know what walking is and street is. 'I'm sitting on the chair' because we know what sitting is and chair is. And they 'Are you aware now?', you see 'I am aware'. I can say I'm aware only because I know the 'of'. Oh you will know this aware very, very family but you don't know it phenomenally. Yeah we are comfortable because you know money concept like sitting, standing.

Ananta

I can only say I'm aware because I am aware of... so then, oh no, where is the 'of'? Because when we say 'I am walking on the street,' we know what walking is and what the street is. 'I'm sitting on the chair' because we know what sitting is and what the chair is. And are you aware now? You see, I am aware. I can say I'm aware only because I know the 'of.' Oh, you know this 'aware' very, very firmly, but you don't know it phenomenally. We are comfortable because you know many concepts like sitting, standing, walking. So we can say 'sitting on a chair,' 'standing on the road,' 'walking on the street.' You know both these concepts phenomenally. Is it? When you ask 'Am I aware?' I might actually not be aware, but there is a chair. So that chair, see, it makes me aware phenomenally. But what do you know what the 'aware' is? Who? Somebody teach us to be aware? You were taught to stand, we were taught to sit, we were taught to walk, we were taught to talk. What taught us to be aware? And it always carries no 'of.' What is it?

Ananta

The beautiful part about this is that these are truly spiritual notions at all. So when you say 'unchanging,' you write that you can feel like 'I have to find something which is unchanging and yet phenomenal.' And yet you will never find it on this side of the 'I am.' You'll never find the unchanging on this side of the 'I am.' You'll have to cross this portal of beingness. And here it is, your being, your 'I am.' Continue. But ultimately even this is changing. What is aware of this? Then you see the atomic potential of these notions. 'I am unchanging.' The one witness of all of these atomic notions. We like that because this world appearing is just dancing to the tunes of an alarm. So if the longing in consciousness, the playing will, is to experience its individuality because there's much sugar and spice in this world to play as the limited one, so it can point... everything can seem to point to a limited you. Oh, so easy. But when the longing changes and the quality of the play is like wanting to change the channel, so from this limited play to the player, consciousness itself makes it seem like, oh, same stuff is actually pointing to the reality of the delusion. Consciousness explains the solution of the diffusion also. Nothing has ever really happened to you. So really, is something happening in consciousness? To consciousness, yes. Nothing has ever happened to you. Sometimes we just use language.

Seeker

Father, is it right to say that 'I am aware' cannot be grasped by mind at all? It feels like this realm of dimensions, fields, is the only thing that mind knows things.

Ananta

What is the mind? It is only an interpreter of phenomena. It can pose as if it is the sage. It can pose as if it knows everything. So initially you knew two sets, and many times when we talk about awareness, the mind is also trying to present himself as the master using that which is boundless. The mind is active at that time, thinking this visual of all this black fields, something like that. See, you are within them. What is aware of that painting of unlimited black fields or white light or something? So it tries to be a collaborator so that it can have some place in all of these. But what is it? What it is offering up? It just photocopies, Xerox copies of what is being shared. What you drew inside, which is a deeper into this knowingness of the truth, the mind cannot keep up with that at all. I mean, I could give it some points for trying. The mind wanted to be very position: unchanging reality, big box, please. And that is when the disassociation between awareness and 'I' can happen because if you just took a visual representation of it, of the Self, from the mind...

Ananta

Because visualization, no, please. Now it can be held on to. So for me, what is only good news for them? It's 'I am aware' for three years. And then you see that all of the things which you heard in satsang, like you are not a thing, you're not an object at all, even beyond space. If you want to actually look here, that actually said all along, the truth of what you are is so beyond being phenomenal by the mind that it supplies the best of us more visual about their own experience. Nothing is relevant to the truth of what we feel, and still it is always been easy. A simpler way to look at the mind is to look at it as the subtitle track because there is too much of this movie. 'This happened because of me.' So this is interpreted. The mind is right now, which is coming up with this interpretation. So this becomes so authoritative to you. That's why I say that as we live through the lens of this mind, it can feel like believing this very insipid photocopy sort of life already needs to contain you. You meet somebody first time, mind is already saying, 'He looks like this, he's like that.' Already they have an idea of what we are meeting instead of meeting that even phenomenal appearance fresh. Getting, you know, the phenomenal appearance in a zero balance in the photograph. This is going to fit all through the lens of this subtitle. He makes it this life seem so... it creates actually you.

Ananta

Now, for example, you don't know if you study a single word. So now on thought, for the next five minutes, two minutes, and this 'I don't know' has been scared in English because we have considered ourselves to be a limited object in this world. As we recognizing now that you are boundless worlds, all this to the actual solution. These languages stay with me. This visualization which the arcs of the universe, they come and mean that for this ocean which the arcs of the universe, they come to insight about this, this field of a good thing. And this drops away, and this is not given much belief in life. Thank you so much for being in satsang. Really. Om Shanti Shanti Shanti. Satguru Sri Mooji Baba Ki Jai.