The Truth Is Apparent in Your Seeing - 10th September 2018
Saar (Essence)
Ananta points to the 'unborn' reality that is already present here and now, independent of any mental concepts. He encourages seekers to stop trying to find or maintain the truth and instead recognize that their natural existence cannot be lost.
The truth cannot be distant; it cannot be in the future. The unborn is here now.
If it can be gotten and it can be lost, it was never it anyway.
To know even one thing is to know too much. I ask you to look when you know nothing.
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Transcript
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Guru Kripa Kevalam. Oh, I must say, you know, mistake, you won. Okay, one welcome to the 10th day. Satguru Mooji Baba Ki Jai. How do we become concept-free? Okay, does this example... they came across the other day. Every time I say 'the other day,' these people laugh at me because it could be last week, it could be two years ago, I can't really tell. But the example was that we use understanding to do understanding. If a breeze blows, one man says, 'The wind is so cool today.' The other man says, 'The breeze is quite warm.' One man says it's cold and the other one says it's quite warm. What is the truth? One man would say one is Canadian, but if your life depended on it—you see, you've been seeking this truth, you have made yourself a seeker of this truth of the temperature of the wind—and if life depended on it, what would you say is the truth? Logically, it would be that my body is, however I'm feeling inside, is determining what is hot or cold. Do you mean what is the temperature of the wind? So, if I have a moment where we have made a concept that zero is zero, and then above it is warm and below it is cold, then if I would measure it in, let's say, wind temperature, it's another 25 degrees Celsius or higher degrees Celsius, minus five degrees Celsius. Yes, that would be because I had decided that zero was like... no, yeah, that's nothing, that's fine. So, suppose we have two thermometers; they also give different readings. If your life depended on speaking the truth, what would you say?
This is good. This is good.
So now, if I was to tell you that everything, everything, everything in life is like this. We have made up perspectives. We have made opinions, beliefs out of just perspectives, out of just thoughts. But actually, now, because there is so much investment into those opinions, beliefs, perspectives, we feel like, 'I don't know, it's a waste.' So, Father, what came into my mind when you said that, there was something here confirmed in saying it's true.
So not even this is good, because not even this...
What is happening is that one says, for example, that as long as I am as I am, everything is fine. The minute you buy into the idea 'I am something,' that is the ego, Jeeva, separation, individualization, ego—all of this. But this idea 'I am something' depends on what? It depends on 'I am,' of course. But what is the position that you have with regards to this 'something'? It's a perspective. It's a notion. It's an idea that 'I know what I am. I am this something: man and woman, and good and bad.' And the minute we put these perspectives onto ourselves, you also put them onto the world. 'I am like this, but the world is like that. I want to be free, but the world wants me to be earning a lot of money. I want to be free, but the world wants me to look after my responsibilities.' The minute we define ourselves, we start defining everything. Now, if what Bankei said is true, that all things are perfectly resolved in the unborn—if all things are perfectly resolved in the unborn, then what is all of this about? I will remind you again and again that there is no such thing as a neutral thought. Even this thought is an assertion; it is not neutral. Even to say 'there is no neutral thought' is an assertion; it in itself is not neutral. So, the unborn is this neutrality, this motionlessness is this neutrality. That 'I am empty of the notion of something' is this neutrality. And it would be a so-and-so if you had to go looking for it. Now, where do I go to find it? But I'm telling you that it is just here now. That will be pleasant. Now, depending on what you say, which could be 'but it's not easy,' then I can give you an answer which fundamentally will only say that what the 'but' is, is not. I mean, in varying degrees, I've also been quite open to all the tools I have in my arsenal for this. They do really know this. They say, 'But how can I stay in it?' For example, 'Yes, it's here now, I sense it when I come to satsang in your presence, all of these things, but how can I stay in it?' Then the Master will say something like, 'Can you leave it actually?' Or, 'Do you really know that you have to stay in it if you can't leave it?' Or the Master will say, 'Who is it that wants to stay in it?' Or the Master will say, 'What does it mean to stay? Not to go?' Or the Master will say, 'Guru Kripa, even to stay or not stay is the Master's problem.' So, that's all the sees is different layers. Listen, the only thing is questioning your doubt, you see? He's not answering your question; he is questioning your question. And mostly it is very irritating when he's questioning your question because you came for answers, presumably. We know these children better than you. So, suppose she says, 'I came for this and I wanted to understand that, I want freedom' or something like that. And if I say that the question itself does not apply to the reality of you—come here—this itself is not applicable to the reality of you. Is all that I'm pointing at, isn't it? All the answers are not giving you—hopefully not giving you—too much that you can put into your bag of beliefs and concepts further, you see? They're not feeding more milk to that cat, to the non-existent cat, the ego. So, all that is really happening is that the Master is trying to find a way in which to deconstruct any notions that you have about yourself so that you can come to this motionless existence, this unborn, this I-am-ness without something, prior to the birth of the individualized, the seeming birth of the individualized consciousness. This is all there is. Now, if in your naturalness it was needed that you knew something, then Bankei would have said 'the unborn plus this knowledge.' If it was needed that you understand something, you have figured something out, you've calculated the equation to freedom, then Bankei would have said not just the childlike innocence of the unborn, but also you need to solve this equation. But it is not that. So, the premise itself, what we are trying to sort out or figure out—and maybe Atma Gyan is a misleading term somewhere because you can feel that 'I need to get more and more knowledge'—so Gyan truly must mean the light of pure seeing, not the light of some concepts, the shadow of some thoughts. So, what is here in the light of your pure seeing, independent of any notion that you have about yourself? Now, my proposal to all of you is that the complete, complete, complete, total is completely apparent right now to you in your seeing, but not in your thinking, not in your intellectualizing. This is my proposal: the unborn is here now. The motionless existence is naturally present. Therefore, the truth cannot hide; it cannot be distant, cannot be in the future. Now, who will you go to for confirmation? Who will you go to for confirmation? If you go to the voice in our heads, it will say something, but I'm very good today, such... but this is the thing: when it knows it is outnumbered in a sense, then it also can be a spiritual friend and say, 'This is very good, it's all making sense.' So, my proposal was absolutely apparent to you right now. Now, where will you go for confirmation? Who is it that wants this confirmation? It's the same one that wants anything else, in the sense that who is it that wants freedom? Who is it that wants to come to satsang? That same one. So, who is here? So, when someone asks me this question, I say, 'Okay, make it simpler.' Like my son is studying for the SATs, okay? So, there they have these multiple choices. So, can you give me the options? What are the various options for this? Who wants confirmation? A is person, say a person, personal identity. Okay, what is the second option? We can make it simple: me. The mind wanting something. Now, another proposal for you is that the mind, whatever it wanted, is already gone. Whatever the mind wanted is already gone. So now, what is left? I can come back with... wasn't it? It is like that tree which vanishes when you pull one leaf from it and seems to come back. It vanishes this moment. You cannot bring your mind into this moment, not really. Whatever your conditions are, whatever your belief systems are, whatever you think is true, all is gone. The cleaning lady in the world has done her job; all is cleaned up. Now the mind will come again. 'What about...?'
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The fear of the unknown.
She said, 'Yes, this fear of letting go is just the fear of the unknown.' Whether you call it the unknown, the fear of losing identity, the fear of dying, the fear of not existing—the fear, and it takes all of these various forms. It can even take a very worldly form like, 'How will I live my life?' The same fear of the unknown. And that is why the Master is here to tell you that this fear can come very naturally, but I am here to hold your hand through this fear, you see? So that you can see that I can take nothing which is real away from me. And this fear of the unknown is what many of you are encountering because I've given you another proposal. I have slowly told you that to know even one thing is to know too much. But I ask you to look and tell me what you know when you know nothing. What is the message behind those tears, my dear?
Then we can... and then looking for this, you have to elaborate a bit. Something else comes about when you start to take an example. You think you get a glimpse of it and then it just doesn't last for long, and then you go back to your life and it just disappears. Then you're here and then it is, and it resonates with you like, 'That's what it is,' and then it goes back. I can't let go because I know it's the truth, but I continue to sustain... not in a way...
Okay, why? Because when you report to me that 'I get a glimpse of it and then I lose it,' I want to invite you to actually right now lose it. I don't have it. Lose it. If it can be gotten and it can be lost, it was never it anyway. So, the glimpse, as you call it, can be an insight, an experience, an object in a way which can seem uninterrupted by the mind or interrupted by something else, some clarity or something like this. But if it becomes about that, then it is not that. It is not that. You are not trying to get to something. I am inviting you to lose it right now. Instead of trying to find it, you lose it. Like you would say, 'I come here looking for myself.' No, I ask you: can you stop being? Try to stop being. Don't be. So, that being which everybody seems to be chasing—that Atma, that sense of presence, that consciousness—it's just naturally here. In fact, whatever you might do, you cannot lose it. Now, are you aware of this? Are you aware that you exist before some very fancy... to catch it quickly, yeah? So, you're aware that you are. You here is just aware. Now, this awareness, can you switch it off? If you don't go to the peddler of objections, it will come and say, 'Objection!' The truth of this is completely apparent. And even if you do go to the thought, all it will sell you is a doubt. 'But... but...' The fact is, as you experiment with this, you will see that if it was real, it can never be lost anyway. I can't stop being, and so naturally I'm just aware of my existence. So, in that, the story went away. The story of the spiritual seeker had a structure: she went here, she went there, I should do this, this teacher, this retreat, this book—all is gone. Now, what is left there? And is this, I don't know, good news or bad? I would say there's nothing like everything else, but if you were to say good or bad, I would say it is good. Now, how would you make yourself suffer? Which concept will you use? Because without a concept, you know that you can't say everything. Even that thing is not... it's not it. It is neither it nor not it. It is not applicable. The thing is that we've been using this instrument to measure reality in something, and you're waiting for a certificate from that one to say, 'Hey, this is it.' It's just like saying, 'I use the weighing scale in the kitchen to measure the weight of the earth.' It is too small; it cannot fathom this reality. So, its objections and certifications don't mean anything to the reality of you, which we just experimented and saw you cannot lose. It doesn't mean that any of what it is saying is true; it is just that you seem to be playing in that wheel that you buy in.
It is just like using an instrument to measure reality in something and you are waiting for a certificate from that one to see, 'Hey, this is it.' It's just like saying, 'I use the weighing scale in the kitchen to measure the weight of the earth.' It is too small; it cannot fathom this reality. So its objections and certifications don't mean anything to the reality of you, which we just experimented and saw you cannot lose. They don't mean that any of what it is saying is true. It is just that you seem to be playing in that wheel where you buy into its story of either achieving or not achieving. So if the weighing scale says infinity or zero or five, after I knew that this weighing scale cannot measure it, it just seems like there is a habit, there is a conditioning where we seem to refer back to the mind over and over to give us confirmation or a certificate about it.
Initially, it can seem like a bit of a three-way convolution, cheeky here, you know? Just think here, my mind is also thinking there. That can be like a bit uncomfortable because it's like trying to ride horses at the same time—not so comfortable. But we will get used to it as we come to satsang, that you will start listening to this voice, which is just representative of your antahkarana voice anyway. It is okay. We won't get into why it has to play. Let life pass me like a dream. Life pass me like a dream. All of these confusions are not about the content of life or an event or how we should live; it is about who you are. They are speaking of the being. That is why this is here naturally, and speaking of that which is aware even of this beingness. Which one is available? Life passing, nobody's tasting, trying to see what it is. Good and nobody, the light will come with us. This is not... yes, look at it as a stand-up comedian.
Father, I had a question. Bhagavan always said nothing to practice. He pointed directly by firing over the mind. But then why did he still practice all those practices of the truth, like offering to the fire before cooking food? How does that make sense? Why follow these rituals? At least for me, it has no meaning or makes no sense. But what's curious is why Bhagavan followed these. Please explain.
Well, what do we do with this sweetness? And even with rituals which are done playfully... am I really? If you play this game of seeing that Bhagavan is there and, you know, bowing down to everything as God or whatever, that form of that playfulness might be because we can see it is full of activities. So some activity is required. Bhagavan was at them. We need to be this. It is something which naturally unfolds until it seems like a flow. Like in the center here also, we have all these photos on the wall. Why do we have them actually? Why do we do anything? It is just for sometimes buying into some story of the mind, and we look at that photo of Mooji, for example, just to think about how seriously you're taking yourself. 'Oh, me too.' So these are reminders that we have everywhere, rather than we give them thanks to. So I think it is required, isn't it? That was it. I'm not this guy, and yet because the being stays, you will see that there is... this realm is full of activity. Even if the body is lying down or sitting down, it is also activity. So in this realm of activities, we mess with them.
Kitty Cat want to come? You can come, my dear. Hi, Nikki. Things set up? I'm sorry. Ahead on key... hear me? Hear me? Ahead, the USB connected to the TV. Can you answer?
Good morning, Father. Good morning, everybody. I'm happy to be here. Getting a little late, but I'm happy to be. Take a second. So, um, I really appreciate our last conversation, and I've looked at it a couple of times. And now I didn't hear you ask me to continue singing a song. I would have saw... whatever, stopped everything the same for you. Good. Now what you say, do it now. I am nervous. What? I guess it's not... is it a celebration or condemnation? No condemnation or condemnation. Grace is sufficient or condemnation. No condemnation or condemnation. It's a celebration or condemnation. No condemnation or condemnation. Grace is sufficient or condemnation. No condemnation or condemnation. So that's it. I can't... you guys with... I hope you enjoyed it.
I'll say that, um, I love singing a lot. I like... unless I love singing, I am... I like writing music and I like writing what I feel. And I feel something with it. I'll leave that alone for now. Over the weekend, I've been thinking about actually being with you physically, and I wanted to hear what you had to say about that. Part of me wants to believe that truth is truth regardless of physical presence or anything like that, but I think about other people's stories, right? And maybe I... Ramadan went to the mountain, you know, Mooji was led to India, Papaji was led to India. I'm not trying to make a story, but I love you very much, beyond the physical. And I feel something. And again, I'm not trying to make a story, but I'm blessed to be in your presence and to talk to you. I understand what's going on here, and I know that there's a blessing here. You know, I know you. I see you as... how you seem, Mooji, probably. And I just... that's it, you know? I just been thinking: Should I go to India? Should I be looking into getting my passport? You know, listen, what needs to happen? That's been on my heart, like to be with you, Father, physically. To be with the Sangha, to be with you guys in that room right now. You know? So that's it. I'll be quiet. I mean, I'll say, would you please come?
So that was the answer, I guess. The simple answer is that all of you feel that if you feel life is making the space, and it won't be pushing. Like you said, there is actually... it's fine even like this. Even to leave it on Skype or YouTube or any which way in which we are connected is fine. And yet, if there is an opportunity, if there is space in life to be able to make it to the satsang hall, then that's great. If you come, and you will support it very rightly where you said, it's not about that story. It's not that what needs to happen, because that we answered last time. You see, that also won't change either here or there. The answer will be that answer: that your freedom is just that one moment of leaving your reality uninterpreted and judged, inconclusive mentally. So whether that is Bangalore, America, wherever it is, that will not change. That is the only freedom. That is the only enlightenment. In fact, that is the only practice, if there is such a thing as practice. I'm happy to see how this unfolds, and if life does seem to be making some room for you to be able to come to Bangalore, be in touch with all of us and we will help you in the process. You want to say something?
I appreciate the fact of feeling so welcomed and loved in this space. I do. I don't know if that's either just going out, but I'm going to say that and not stand on that. I just feel so loved and drawn here and open up a little bit more. For some reason, I don't have any friends anymore. They got taken away from me, and I realized that a few years ago. I prayed that some toxic stuff would be taken out of my life, and I prayed about that because I was drawn to it and I knew it was wrong already. And now it's gone. These people just left, like out of nowhere. Friends and just different scenarios, but everything is gone. I'm really by myself. I call Grandma because I'm in Chicago and she's in Virginia, so that's like a 13-hour drive, right? You know, half of a Grandma. So, but in Chicago, I'm here by myself, right? But I have you guys, and I don't know if this is where it needs to be at for whatever reason. But a lot of music's been coming out, and I see that me and you are getting closer and I'm getting closer to the Sangha. And I just wanted to share this with you guys. Why? I don't know, but this is kind of what's going on with me. And the support that I'm getting from you guys right now is grace. I see it as... does that make sense? That I kind of came out of nowhere with this, but I just wanted to make a connection with Father, with you guys and where I'm at. In the park, music playing, you know? No, I guess I smile. I was like, 'Well, maybe I need to go to India.' You know, all this stuff is coming in front of me, and I was looking at Bangalore—that's how you pronounce it—this weekend. And I don't know, but I just wanted to share more with you guys.
A beautiful report as well. The Sangha is here for you. All of this environment is here for you to come to enjoy the presence of satsang. But you have to remember that, in a sense, everyone is going through struggles. Everyone is going through various things in their life, letting go of their conditions and things. So when you come, better if you don't come with any preconceptions about the Sangha, because it can also be like a strong satsang to be with, to live with the Sangha, especially because culturally there are so many differences also. So staying with the Sangha is very, very beautiful, but many times what can happen is that we can have some ideas that it is utopian or something. But it isn't, no matter which Sangha it is, because everybody is, you know, in a way unfolding through this recognition of the Self to come into this naturalness. And you know that many times as you're going through this, a lot of stuff comes out. It can play as a huge support, and it can become very big satsang if we have some definite expectations or preconceived notions about how it is going to be. Otherwise, satsang is a big pity party. Available community, all of you, all of you come here. Good, good, good day. Thank you, thank you.
Rob says, 'Check out Scott's Cheap Flights. They posted a 645 dollar flight from Chicago to Bangalore.' What if I know is that return? He says the song was very good. It was really good. In fact, we were singing some songs the other day. We were preparing to record some music here, and everyone was remembering you. 'Good, Father, you should have asked Cat to finish his songs.' So if you do end up coming, then we go for the recording studio when you're here as well. Loved it, loved it. Thank you. Someone said Chicago is close to where I am. When you're through, the treat will be on me. Let's see. Once you come, whatever you say, if you come, whatever you say goes. Thank you so much for being in satsang today. Satguru Sri Mooji Baba Ki Jai. Shri Mataji Ki Jai. Guru Kripa Kevalam.