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Is Anything Outside the Scope of Grace? - 26th March 2018

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Ananta explains that spiritual seeking is the dissolution of the 'me' rather than an external achievement. He guides seekers to recognize themselves as the boundaryless presence of God in which all perceptions arise.

To find God is not an external event, but the dropping of the 'me' and its pretenses.
You are the space in which all sensations and perceptions happen; the body does not create a boundary.
The idea that there can be an exchange between your presence and a concept is the biggest deception.

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Transcript

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Ananta

All types of seeking has all the meaning on something else. Me and my mother—the seeking relationship with our relationship. Seeker is about me, me, me, me, and all that. That's about duality between me and this particular thing. Seeking security—and it's about me and money, me and material things. And it's about seeking a better health—and it's about me and the body and how I'm taking care of the body. The same way, and in a slightly different way, spiritual seeking is that so-called relationship between me and God. The seeker is what? Seeker is that one that presumes itself to be a 'me', the one that will be finding God or Self or Satguru, whatever term we want to use. So this spiritual seeker mindset is the mindset of 'me and God' or 'me and the Master'. And as long as this 'me-ness' seems to continue, the spiritual seeking will seem to continue.

Ananta

Why did I say that it is slightly different? It is because to find God is a bit different than how we find a relationship and how you find money, how you take care of the health of the body. Because those would be external events that would happen through some particular action that you undertake. To find God is not an external event, not the result of some action that happens in the phenomenal world. To find God is the dropping of the 'me', or rather even to say, the popping of the 'me'. So this so-called spiritual journey leads out of it differently than all other journeys. And all of the seeking has played out following saying that here there is no scope for 'me' to find someone. And those moments of insight that you are having are just a moment where you have not picked up the mask of 'me', the pretense of 'me'. So this is spirituality. There is no scope for, no space for God and me. It is God. 'Me' has just been a pretense. So you cannot carry this one to the bottom of your existence, into that which is your unchanging Self. This which is just a concept, just a belief system, has to be left behind now. And it is just this what I am pointing to is organically present here now.

Ananta

There is no reason for you to exchange this for any notion about it. It's like you would not exchange the rose garden for a thorn. To exchange this Being, which is the unlimited existence itself, perfectly present—I want to exchange this for the notion about yourself which you have never met in reality. Now, what can happen in subtle ways that develop in the spiritual search is that we keep giving room for this 'me' to enter. Keep making room for the 'me' to enter in the sense of, 'Oh, these have been my spiritual experiences. This is how far I am from the final recognition.' All these statements and the reports about yourself are reports of what I call the checker guy, which exists as another manifestation of this one, another appearance of this non-existent 'me'. So here and now, join me as reality, as one, with no expectation or interpretation. We have no idea what God tastes like, but we are tasting what I am now.

Ananta

I'm like the money okay, I'll be the money, so I'll come with all the exchange offers. So now you exchange this presence. Either way, to hold it forever, I can do a secret. You have this beautiful experience right now; I'll give you the way in which you can just hold on to it forever. Will you buy into this idea? You say, 'Okay, okay.' But then I think, 'Satsang is going to have to end with the real world, then how does this help?' You exchange the presence of God for this notion. Now I say, 'What does this mean? I'm enlightened now, I'm free.' For this, the mind will come and say, 'But nothing happened to me. What do you mean by taste of God? I didn't taste anything. Why does it not happen here? What is lacking? I have not devoted enough. I'm not being now. I'm not worthy.' You buy into these ideas. You lose heart irrespective of what the mind is saying.

Ananta

Since he says, 'It just feels strange to have this body always showing up, that my understanding comes through this body and the senses.' So this, see if you can do an experiment. Will you forget about the term 'body'? Don't make any distinction between this term 'body' and then any other sensation that you might be perceiving now. Like you're perceiving this sound, this warmness. This is perceived. Seeing the visual of this face—this is perceived. Everything that is being experienced is a set of sensations and perceptions. There is actually no such thing as the body, which is the collection of sensations and perceptions. But we add it together theoretically and we call it this body. Also, the body and the world all exist as a set of perceptions. Then we have no fight with anything at all. All is allowed to come and go. Everything that is experienced are perceptions. They are perceived by you, this Being that is the perceiver and the consumer of all things, which is what you naturally are right now.

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Ananta

So we don't have to make any distinction between anything that is perceived and see how that feels. In fact, naturally there is more spaciousness, and you'll find that more than the body itself, more than this collection of sensations and perceptions itself, you feel like you are more the space in which all these sensations and perceptions arise. You don't buy into the notion that the body creates a boundary for me. There is no trouble with the body. All the sensations of the body are experienced within you. Even these which are seemingly boundary sensations—all that is within you. This 'you' has no boundary. This 'you' is not subject to this kind of space and time. Even when we say 'go inside, go inside', we're not actually going inside this body. We are going through this space which is beyond this space and time. Yet all that exists in this comes to light on this screen that disappears from the screen. Then you see that there's only one. There's just one Being. That Being is also God.

Ananta

I know chanting says the idea that there can be an exchange at all—this is the biggest deception. Yes, there is no choice here, but the idea 'I have a choice' is what can be the key here. There is no choice for the non-existent one. That which does not exist obviously cannot have any choice at all. Therefore, this concept of free will or choice-making, if we ascribe that to that which does not exist, it's just nonsense. It makes no sense. How can that which does not exist have something including free will? But we are talking about the deeper, the greater will here, that which plays with its primal power of belief. This consciousness itself is playing as if it is something and now playing as if it is dropping something.

Ananta

So I know that all spiritual instruction can also create a sense of a 'me-ness'. That's why when we were coming up with the name for the book, we came up with the name, 'What is My Speaking with Consciousness?' So it doesn't seem like it involves this non-existent person in a medium. It's just assuming the inward movement of consciousness to its own essence and to see that actually there is no separation here. All there is is this ordinary, extraordinary God presence. And it is undeniable that this God had the power to give assent to an idea of its individuality. Not outside of its will, of course. You mean that is the will of it. Yet it does play that will. Now, move in that holy claim. It is the play of it reminding itself it is God, because no individual existence as we try to find this 'me' that is here now. It's clear that I am, and all that appears in this world is in my light, the light of my Being. I am, the world is. I remain this, but I play as if I am something. I play as if even that I am individualized consciousness. I have something, and this consciousness plays as if it is individualized with the concept of separation, of duality. But in reality, the separation never happened. That is what is being pointed out.

Ananta

As long as identity with the body persists despite every wish otherwise, then what does 'within' mean? What is within? Yes. So what do you have to do? So you think, 'Go within and check.' So you must be—are you taking a dive into your body? And if you were taking a dive into your body, you will find flesh and bones and blood. But no, you find the space which is alive with presence, which is not subject to time and space here on the four dimensions of time and space. Instantly as we look inside, you go into a dimension which is not up or down, left or right, front or back. Only stillness exists. This is your power here. You see that all that outside and inside has just been appearances within this which is beyond these dimensions that I am. That which is the origin of time and space is here.

Ananta

Then I ask you, can you stop being now? This Being that you don't cross—you find it as an object in time? You find it as an object in space? Where do you find it? You might say, 'I find it on the inside.' What inside is this? Inside what? So that would be for coming to—we are using the term 'inside' for something which is not among these dimensions of time and space. I am. This 'I am' is untouched by anything happening in time and space. This itself is such a beautiful discovery—that your Being is not aging with time, is not eroding in space. This 'I am' is what we call consciousness or God. Being this 'me-ness' is just an idea within consciousness. The consciousness plays with it as if it is true. That is called Maya. This consciousness is talking, this play of the consciousness is also as I said here of this spiritual seeker, God and me. Then they become just God. And all that is happening, that is the play of this God in the light of this God, the screen of this same God that we also call the Satguru. That is why we can say that everything is Guru Kripa Kevalam. Only the Master's grace is. What we call the Master here is the same consciousness, the same Satguru. The power of the belief belongs to it, the power of attention. It plays with all of that which exists, that which stays for him. This is your Being.

Ananta

Someone was joking just before satsang started and saying, 'So what comes out of this pool of the Master's grace? What is out of the scope?' If they believe that anything is out of the scope of this grace, then that is the invitation to 'me' and your suffering, which is also ultimately the same grace, you see. So although everything always is, there is a qualitative difference of the quality of the play once it is recognized and once it plays as if it is an individual person. So satsang has to come to that recognition at all. It is the Satguru's space. So this question you must ask yourself: What do you still feel is out of the scope of God's creation or Satguru's grace? Anything? Everything? People here are deeply meditative. So what is outside the scope of Master's grace? Only you have to handle 'me'. Let's put it another way: What does the 'me' have to handle? Is it just Master's grace applies to some? It might come to satsang, it is Master's grace. The minute I step out, it's all mine. Shine your light on this question for yourself. It will reveal some beautiful things more and more as this deepening of insight happens. You find that everything is only the grace of this holy presence that we call God, Buddha, Self.

Ananta

I'm just going to dive into some questions. Just inw is the belief given to the thoughts is also Master's grace? Yes, that's what I was saying—that ultimately everything is Master's play, but it is also Master's grace that you are reminded that this is just a pretense. The quality of the play seems very different once you recognize this for yourself—that the personality, the 'me', were just pretenders. So although both the delusion and the dissolution of the false ego are both dreams, we find that as you come to this recognition of whatever idea, you find that you are playing in this world as if you are a person that had a different taste. And now that this world is playing inside you and you are the substratum of it as God itself, that has a different taste. Both are the tasting of consciousness itself. Both is the play of consciousness itself. The appearance of this seemingly outer Master is also part of the play itself. It is as if you're changing channels in the play. The movement from 'me, me, me, me, me' to 'God, God, God'. We're going from 'me now' to 'God now'. Yes, my Self, this curiosity has been here in contemplation of our truth.

Ananta

The person that had a different taste, and now that this world is playing inside you and you are the substratum of it as God itself, has God itself a difficulty? Both are the tasting of consciousness itself. Both is the play of consciousness itself. The appearance of this seemingly outer master is also part of the play itself. It is as if you're changing channels in the play.

Seeker

We're going from 'me, me, me, me' to God now. Yes, my curiosity has been here in contemplation of Atma. Ramana Maharshi speaks of 'I'. Is it 'I' and 'I am'? I have seen that when I read certain quotes of Bhagavan, it's completely clear that what he is talking about is that 'I' which is aware even that 'I am'. Let me talk about 'I am'. It will become a desire. And yet, when I read some other quotes of Bhagavan, I don't know whether it is something which is a confirmation thing or he used it in different ways. Sometimes he is also referring to this 'I am' itself at times as 'I'.

Ananta

So my advice would be not to be too concerned about that. Whatever terminology we rely on doesn't ultimately matter so much as you see that I am aware even of my existence, which is my own self. Pure awareness and consciousness are the one Self. It is 'I' ultimately. So different sages, different masters have used different terminology. And if something is confusing, you can leave it.

Seeker

Because I will have a thought here at times. It feels like I'm Atma, the life itself. Tasting life exists in me. I mean, I am consciousness, the English itself. Yes, yeah.

Ananta

Exactly. Because I am playing with itself, so all its qualities will ever bother you and I to get out of the wheel. Then those will not happen as a homicide. As long as there is nobody who wants to own this experience or make a conclusion based on this, as long as they don't insert the non-existent 'me' into the picture, what is unfolding is this beautiful dream. So this is beautiful love that happens in Nirguna Brahman's hands. Beautiful unfolding. As you have brought to the attention of this one, there is absolutely no distinction that can be made. It comes so clearly in all cases of suffering that once all experience is full of the same presence, no difference can be activated by adding or including. As the one from Nirguna Brahman, all happens only within the presence of this one, within the existence of this one. And if you are not making a distinction, that complete inclusiveness permits that everything, everything is the base of this Brahman, this consciousness, as a whole.

Ananta

So we come to this point where there's full acceptance that everything is just what it is. What is His Grace? So, I have one contemplation for you. One is: what do you still feel is outside the scope of the Satguru's Grace? And second is a simpler one: what do you really want? What do you really want? It sounds like a simple question, but these days I've been emphasizing on this aspect and more and more it is clear to me that when we come to that point, consciousness brings itself to this point where it wants truth just for truth's sake. With more rewards, the truth becomes so simple. If you are in this for the byproducts of truth, if you are still in this for some benefits, then the journey seems broken. So ask yourself: is it that I really want? Is it that I want God? Is it that I want to do what I want to do, or any part and something for me?

Ananta

You want to find God for yourself? You want to find God for yourself so that you can claim you want God, so that you can get some respect, people can consider yourself to be something special? You want God because if you get God, then you will get joy? Because you don't know—you might get God and you might get a crucifixion instead. Are you in this for God? Are you in this for Guru? Are you in this for truth irrespective of what byproducts might come your way? Because let me tell you, it is not seen in this world that the minute you come to God you will have a life full of joy and peace. You will have an inward joy and peace, but outwardly it might seem like your life is full of catastrophe. Some have lost, many in fact have lost their heads. They may have been crucified after finding God. And are you okay with that? Or is God just a feel-good thing?

Ananta

This is a good sense, very good. These two contemplations. The one who felt simple might surprise you in your discovery. This one that seemed a bit more difficult, you might find that it's simpler to accept. And if you say that 'I want only God, I want only the truth,' you might say, 'Actually, I want nothing at all,' which is fine. If you think that with full integrity, it is completely fine. Then nothing is. You don't want anything. But if I say, 'No, but you still have desire, what is it that you truly want?' then what is the answer that you can give with integrity? And if your desire is just for the truth, only for truth's sake, then you will find that this desire itself burns every other thing, everything else, and then itself. But if you are being double-minded—'Okay God, but please ensure that my life goes okay in this way'—this is here, Satguru, but please make sure that you know this is taken care of. The seeming journey can go on and on.

Seeker

I will get to Satsang, would be here with Guruji for many years and for many times, I just feel like I look and then feel like... but all of this what you are saying is about the money, it's about something for me. So what's going on there? Have you been hearing anything I've said? Sometimes one says, 'I'm very happy.' That doesn't sound like Satsang. Between these two contemplations, which are light, not with any intent of feelings of guilt or someone with innocent, but just to clarify like what this is really about for us. What do I still believe is outside the scope of my master, outside the scope of our Satguru? And what is it that I really want, if anything at all?

Seeker

In other words, I see lately is this familiar experience here. Wriggling and juggling has gone, yet this voice I call Father never stops saying things which just feel like a 'yes' always. So it can seem a bit contradictory and many times questions and times come up to run to him shouting 'Father!' but it always ends with not being able to listen to the Atma. Yes, or being here where all that is heard is the reality of things to the full agreement in the heart, and all the jingling on the surface. Not sure if any of this makes sense, just blurted it out. Love to hear every single thing you say.

Ananta

You will be lost with what Nachiketa said. He said, 'If it is God that you want, why do you even accept the possibility of anything else?' If you want God and you have to get out of the door, you must get up. And you are already up. Is the door inviting you back soon? Thank you all so much for even searching to be a Guru. Sri Mooji Baba Ki Jai. Peace out.