राम
All Satsangs

How Can I Know That Time Passes? - 28th May 2021

May 28, 202111:30214 views

Saar (Essence)

Ananta explains that time is a mental construct used to navigate a linear narrative, whereas in reality, all perception occurs in the now. He invites the seeker to transcend the mind's limitations and rest in the heart.

Memory never shows up from the past; it only appears in the now, yet we call it the past.
We live a comic book life, consuming existence frame by frame because our attention is limited.
Consciousness has the ability to produce a full story and imagery about itself even at the very beginning.

contemplative

timenowconsciousnessmemorydreamperceptionspace-timeadvaita vedanta

Transcript

This transcript is auto-generated and may contain errors.

Seeker

Now yes, namaste my love. Thank you, so welcome. Um, I have written down my question because I, uh, my English is not so good and I try to read now. Yes, this question is about time and perceiving the time. So I am perceiving now. Everything I perceive is always in this moment and the concept of time is known like time, like past, present, and future. But the experience is always now, only this now. Okay, but then I look outside, for example, and see um, different old buildings or I read some ancient scripture or look at a past photograph and this sense of past arises, but it's not experienced or proven. So how can I know that time passes? Or how can we really rely on stories or books or sayings from the past if we haven't experienced it yet? So where does the so-called ancient buildings or scriptures then come from? Because I experience only always now. And if someone tells me something, it's from the past, or I see some old building or something like this and someone says, 'Yes, it's from the 14th century.' Or a very contemplation though, so if this image in front of you...

Ananta

So yes, so what happens is that for a while, for a while in time, it can seem like we start to question: Is the image frozen? You see? So it can... what does it mean for the image to be frozen? It's like no time is passing, so it must be frozen, you see. So time is our idea of change, you see. Our idea of a previous state, a new state, and a conceptual future state, you see. Now, without these notions, you see, there is no time. Yes, actually there is no time. So very often I take this example that suppose you went to sleep tonight and in the sleep you had a dream that you were living in Haridwar or Rishikesh or something and you were an Indian man and somebody asked your name, you see. You say, 'My name is Ramesh.' You see, you will not say, 'No, no, sorry sir, my dream just started, I don't know what my name is.' So although it just started, we are able to still refer to that which our mind called memory from the apparent past and say, 'Okay, have you always lived in Rishikesh?' 'Yes, yes, I've always lived on the street,' you see.

Ananta

So in consciousness, consciousness has the ability even at the start, very beginning of the dream, to have a full story about itself. And if it needs references in terms of what has actually happened, it has the ability to produce imagery which can convey that this is from the past, you see. What is memory? Memory never shows up from the past; it only appears in the future and yet we call it the past, you see. So really speaking, without these conceptual notions, the mental idea of time which is linear in the way of past, present, and future, it doesn't exist, you see. And the tool that we use to try and understand time, which is the mind, is totally incapable of understanding it. Just like it cannot understand truth and love and peace—anything that is worthwhile, it cannot understand.

Ananta

So as you let go of your mind and learn to remain in your heart, then you will meet yourself in a broader way where you are not object—you don't have an objective relationship with time, you see. And therefore then time, where everything can all happen at the same time, but actually then there's nothing called a happening in the first place, you see. Then these kind of things don't confuse us; they can seem very, very obvious to us, you see. So this linear navigation of the narrative using our attention, just like reading a comic book, you see. Just reading frames of a comic book which give the apparent belief that the comic characters are going through this in time, you see. Actually, it is just a question of perception, you see, with attention, which gives this sort of feeling or not even a feeling but idea of time. But actually, like you said, it's only one frame. It's only one frame, but because our attention is limited, the ability of our attention to encapsulate all of perception seems to be limited and that's why we seem to live this comic book life where we're just consuming life frame by frame.

Ananta

As we let go of our conceptual limitation, then the entirety of the comic is available, you see, and you can visit it this way, that way, jumping around—it doesn't really matter. I'm not saying it as some sort of a siddhi or superpower or something, I'm just saying that we no longer then are so attached to this linear narrative of time and then the experience of consciousness can seem broader and not so constricted by this linearity. But these are beautiful contemplations and they bring us to this point where we realize that the limited conceptual mind that we have is unable to fathom the broadness of our own being, you see, both in terms of the extent of it and the seeming play of our past and future.

Read more (6 more paragraphs) ↓
Ananta

So it's a beautiful thing and I'm inviting you more and more—you've you're asking some very beautiful questions—now allow those questions to bring you to your intuition where all of this is so, so apparent, but it continues to remain unspeakable, you see. But you live, you rest in a deep knowing of the universality of your existence beyond, beyond the play of space and time, you see. It's so, so palpable, it's so true. Yes, thank you, thank you, very welcome. How can you say that that monument was really constructed 500 years ago? We can't say. Our dream could have just started, you see. It could just be fresh. So consciousness has no need for time really, you see, except when it is playing the story of the jeevathma, the limited, the play of a limited consciousness, you see. Only as long as that is being played out, then this idea of time is important. Otherwise, this whole universe can be up and down in no time.

Seeker

Yes, yes, this is what is experienced here too, right? So I just, um, just some time when I go through old city or street and then just this comes up like, but who knows that this is really... it says like it's 1400, but I just experienced it now. So it can be built right now or it's just happening now and only now. This is what this experience is.

Ananta

Yeah, but thank you so much for the very good... thank you. And also, also bring it closer to home, you see. Also contemplation closer to home, which you're doing I'm sure, because we don't need to just look at the monuments and ask that. We can look at these monuments also, yes, now all the conditions that go along with that which we attach to the body-mind and see whether we can really be sure, you see. Because we carry so much guilt and resentment and so many things apparently that happened in the past. Can we really know that this is not the first moment in this waking state that I've ever experienced on this realm? We can never say, you see. We can never say. Then we are left so, so empty, so open, so innocent, just like an infant child.

Ananta

I used to joke earlier with the sangha that okay, now there are two variables which make the construct of a limited life seem true, you see. The two constructs are space and time. So your job is to give up one of them. You choose which one you want to give up. It's not possible to give up one without the other, you see. If you give up on time, then there's nothing you can say about space. If you give up on space, there's nothing you can say about time. So but to give up on this notional space-time continuum, or whatever it is called in science, as something that contains us is very important. Thank you.

Seeker

Oh welcome, love you.

Ananta

Love you too, thank you.