Every idea is an idea (but pain is still real)

Every idea is an idea, every thought is a thought. Now, as I see that, I am not implying that the pain or the pleasure that is felt in this human existence, is it? I am not saying that, oh, it is just made up or something like that. Ultimately, it is all just made up in consciousness. But when we are taking ourselves to be this body mind, then all of this pain and pleasure at all the layers of our existence, at our body layer, at our ethyl layer, of our emotion, at the layer of our thoughts, all of these pain and pleasure that can come and seem very real.