This is the Crunch Question For All Of You
Reality is already solved; the mind's interpretations create suffering, and true freedom comes from surrendering the desirer (the 'I') not just the desires.
there is no suffering except in your head and what your saying is your head is very attractive to you right now. Or are you saying the head is forcing you to be with it?
No it doesn’t have this power. It cannot not. But I really connect with it when he says, ‘You don’t have money” and prove me in actuality in life experience, it’s too much, I connect with it.
You use the wrong labels my dear, what you’re calling actuality is what? [Silence]
How I experience life…
You want to talk about the content…
Interpretation…
You want to solve it in the interpretation or in Reality?
Reality. A; Reality is already solved. You see, in reality, absent of desire, it’s already solve. Desire is the invitation to suffering. You want to have desire also and not suffer also. That is impossible.
Yeah. [Chuckles]
What is desire? What is desire? Desire is a resistance to what is appearing. Because what is appearing is not enough! Something should either come or go from this blob of appearances, then I’ll allow myself to be happy. What is getting in the way of your Being right now?
Nothing.
So that nothing is what you need to be happy. Like Papaji (Punjaji) says, You need nothing to be happy, you need that nothing, which you have.
I don’t know Father…I feel like…
You don’t feel like my dear, you think like [Points to the head] so stop thinking like and meet me here. [Points to the heart]
Father, you are always here…
If I’m always here then don’t hold two hands. [Silence] Just hold my hand. [Silence] And don’t allow mind to tell you your experience of life.
It just did.
You see? Your mind is telling you your experience of life you are not experiencing life first hand. It is saying this is your experience -so in my experience [in a sad voice] ‘this is what is happening in my life’ Nonsense! Because it is nonsense and its interpretation of life is nonsense so both sides is nonsense. It's like one side is garbage, the other side is also garbage. [Chuckles]
I don’t feel to defend it, because when you speak it is clear, in general but why…[weeping]
Even right now, who’s interpreting [Silence] what is happening?
I didn’t understand.
Who is interpreting or determining the nature of what is happening right now? ‘even when you speak to me then this happens’ who is saying that?
The one that I take myself as always.
So stop it. [Chuckles]
[Smiles and begins talking]
Stop it! Stop it! Stop It
[Smiling] Can I really …
Stop. Stop …Stop. Now.
You tell me, can I really do this?
It’s done. Now don’t start again. [Both laughing]
[Starts to talk]
No…no….done. You see? It is the false that takes effort and practice the Truth is just here. That’s why I have win, you see! I have to win because the Truth is just here. You see, I can just do this [Waves his hands about] finish. The mind has to say ‘But when this happened and..’ so much work, and I can just do ZZZ[ Waves his hands in a wiping motion] and done! Who’s got the easier job? Because the moment is on my side. But then you say ‘But but but Father actually’ and I say ‘stop stop stop’ [Waves hands about] God. God is here. Then the mind comes, egotism comes with the offer saying, ‘But this is not enough, it’s not always like this’ Yes, it’s not always like this because you buy this stuff! [Chuckles] [Pause]
It’s like saying but ‘I enjoy the cold, but I don’t know, I keep walking into these saunas, man’. Just like, ‘I don’t know’. Nobody can force you into the sauna if you enjoy the cold. You know this sauna thing? A place which has got this steam- really hot. You have these Turkish bath in Turkey, it’s like that hot. Are they hot springs?
Ok, ok. Yes.
If you enjoy the cold then don’t dive in!
Ok.
If you enjoy the Presence of God in your heart, don’t go to the head!
Yes Father, of course I enjoyed and now…
No, you are thinking my dear! I’ll see it in your eyes.
Yes, because I want…
No! Don’t solve. Here! Stay with me, come. Come. I’m with you. Stay, stay, stay. Don’t figure out, don’t understand. Stay with me, its ok… You don’t say it but you still can’t believe it. If you stop looking at the hand actions and all the truths, you know? Hold one hand, either your minds or mine. You can do it. You want something from both? It’s not going to work out well.
Yeah, I think I want something from it.
Have you not suffered enough?
No Father, but it’s offerings just feel so attractive.
What is it? What is his offer? I am offering you God right now in your heart.
Yeah, but you’ve got life is not always…
Life is not always God, what is it? [Laughter]
What? What is his offer? What’s the mind’s offer? Some exciting life, what is it?
Yes, it’s always a dream
Is what?
It offers a dream, happiness and obviously just an idea…
God cannot give happiness?
Well it’s something beyond.
Beyond God!
No, there is something beyond happiness, the actuality of happiness.
There’s something beyond? No, I’m not…. Happiness is a byproduct. You see? Is a byproduct. I am talking about Your Reality as Pure Being Itself and actually even beyond that as the Awareness of this. What can the offer be from the mind be that can be greater than that? [Pause] This is the crunch question for all of you. If you still have something which you want from the personality, for the personal experience as it may be called, and you want God at the same time, then it seems like a roller coaster. You see? It’s like you want to hold on to the stuff that you think you have personally, and also create more room for God to come. I don’t want my stuff to go but I also want God, wouldn’t that be nice? You see? But that is the mental way of living, you leave your head. [Silence] You can do it, just leave it. [Laughter] Don’t go back! [Laughter]
Heart
Just let me take ..
No Minding satsang. This one is mining satsang. Just…[Chops off head action]
Okay, I believe it but there’s a little but.
This is the problem. Don’t believe it! Don’t believe it because belief is in your head. You see? So I’m not fighting with your head, just leave it don’t believe it!
It has to be silenced a little bit then
No, just leave it… You have no problem, nothing needs to be determined, nothing needs a solution. Just leave it.
If you promise to take care, I will leave it.
No
No?
Surrender without guarantees my dear No, but if you say, ‘take care of it’, maybe you didn’t mean it that way but to ‘take care’ means that I already know what taking care would be.
No...or maybe
You see? And if you did not have that notion then what was that need of that disclaimer? If you can determine that ‘Oh, I gave it to Father but he made it worse than better’. You see? Then that still from the interpretive mind. If it is Guru Kripa Kevalam means everything is taking care, How do we know what is taken care of or not? That is like surrendering with one eye open. I am giving it to you but please, do a good job, okay? I am watching you! You see? So surrender is not a cheat code. You know cheat code? You just put it in the game then all the difficulty goes away from the game. You see? ‘But I would like some money Father, I’d like the best boyfriend’ you know? ‘I want the biggest body and of course, freedom has to come.’ Now all of this is your problem! Is that what surrender is? You see? So for surrender we must surrender the doership and the experiencership.
No, it’ like... I don’t want to suffer at least…
So what are you surrendering to me?
Okay, I’m surrendering all this desire, just really. I’m surrender it because it’s just Something goes ahead of me like… I don’t know why they are there but they have really just such a strength, so the just… really understand me and see me on this and…
Very good, very good. Very good, you did well, now I want you to surrender a little more because you know, I’m quite a greedy Master, so I want you to surrender even more, so you surrendered the desire, now surrender the desirer also.
What it is?
What you take yourself to be, surrender that one also. The one who can have a desire, or be empty of desires, surrender that one also. Have nothing to do with that one!
I don’t know that one
This one. This one, no? This one, surrender this one. This ‘I’
Ah, Ok! [Laughter]
Yes, happily!
Good? [Laughter]
Yes! I’m happy
That ‘I’ is mine now, whether happy or unhappy is my problem.
[Smiling]
Don’t get it back! Don’t take that one back. You see?
Ok, My taking back or not taking back is your problem.
Yes, but don’t taking him back! [Laughter]
Father because I don’t know that much so well. I’m not so good to catch it you know? Like this I can see it and I can recognize it but desire, I don`t know so well.
[Waves his hand] Open, headless, headless. Open and empty, everything is mine. [Silence]
Ok, I have nothing other than to trust you.
No, not even trust, just the witnessing. That’s all. Just…
I cannot comment…
Just the witnessing not even trust, I don’t want your trust. I just want your witnessing. Just remain as the witnessing that’s all. I don’t want trust, mistrust all these opposite things, I don’t want. Nothing. No position at all. [Pause]
Father, I
No [Laughs] Are you reporting awareness?
I just wanted to speak from witnessing place to see the difference between this place
No reporting is needed, I know what is there in the witnessing. Don’t hold on to it, don't hold on to any ‘I’, any progress, any state,anything- whether you are getting it or not. None of that So basically I want something very small- just everything that appears in the waking state let that be my problem, sleep state can be yours it's fine. You can have that which troubles you in deep sleep, that's all. You can have only that which troubles you in deep sleep that's all. The rest is my problem.
May it be so. Because we are always speaking and I always certainly want something but this conversation is just so important for me and I really want to see the actuality of it and just the experience…
Are you still there to want! Give it to me that one that still wants. Give it to me the one that wants to experience the actuality of it. Just give that one to me. What is it still doing there? Didn't you give that one up?
[Laughs] What am I going to do then?
Whose problem is that?
But I have no problem. But I have nothing left.
Yes. Very good. That nothing is all that you need. Very good , very good.
Thank you, you give your time for us and thank you so much for your care, thank you. . . . Highlight from Satsang- 8th July 2022 This Is the Simplicity of Self-Discovery Time: 2:03:40-2:23:31 Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrCTQjr6Ck4&t=7668s
Key Teachings
- Desire is the invitation to suffering - wanting to have desire AND not suffer is impossible
- The mind interprets reality but Reality itself is already solved - you suffer from your interpretation, not from what is
- Surrender not just desires but the one who has desires - the 'I' itself must be given up
From: I'm Introducing You to a Different Room in Your House Which You Rarely Visit – 11th November 2022