The Witness Cannot Be Comprehended

[Reading from chat] Father, there does exist the intuition that the witness is also witnessed. Very good, intuition is the right word, in a way. [Continues reading from chat] But this witness is not comprehended. It never will be. It is not that small that you can comprehend it. You are not that small that you can comprehend it. You are not that gross that you can grab it in that way. If we mean by comprehension a conceptual understanding, then it is beyond comprehension. Yet it is always intuited - you can use that word; or always known, to put it simply. But never understood in that way. So, therefore, because it is never understood in this way, it can feel like, ‘But there is nothing in that for me.’ [Smiles] But the ‘me’ itself is the false one. This one itself which is always known to itself but never comprehensible to itself is ‘All There Is’. Now, you said however the question comes, is that all? But where that question is coming, that one, is that all, has not comprehended what it has discovered. That’s what we established just now. So, ‘it is beyond your comprehension’ does not mean it is to be frowned upon. Because it is the greatest discovery that I have ever made, and it is the greatest discovery that you are making: That you are. The mind will say, ‘Is that all?’ But the mind has not comprehended it. It is speaking about something that it cannot understand. And even in that statement ‘Is that all it is?’, it is trying to come to an understanding of it, like either an assertion which is, ‘Yes, that is all’, or a negation, ‘No, no, that is not all.’ But it does not conform to these. That is also an attempt at trying to comprehend it. But it cannot be, and in this way it also tries to look down upon this discovery, which is the greatest discovery, your discovering your Self, which is most natural, simple, and yet it seems like in this play of this world, the forgotten discovery. [Smiles] It is the greatest discovery. You have discovered yourself to be subtler than space, not subject to time, not an object in this universe - all these negations you can make. You are not an object. That Self itself, in its play, considered itself to be a limited object in this world. Now you are discovering that I am not in space-time, I am not in this universe, I can only put objects here, I am not an object. What a discovery that is. I took myself to be subject to time with birth and death. I am finding that these things do not apply to this. Beyond birth and death, beyond time and space, beyond coming and going, beyond this universe and the multitudes of them, you are. This is your discovery, and the mind cannot understand this. But it is the greatest discovery. One moment of checking on what you are, this universe dissolves for you. But you are that which doesn’t dissolve. This whole universe can burn into bits, can vanish, it will vanish tonight in your sleep — but you still will be. This is the greatness of this discovery. So, don’t fall for the mind trick which is saying, ‘Oh, but is that all?’ Our mind cannot fathom this at all, at all. But yes, the other part which is that simple? Yes. Simpler than that simple. [Smiles] Before you can decide to check on yourself, done. If you decide ‘just be’, before that, done. [Smiles] Before you can say ‘now’, done. It is simple and ever-present and yet the greatest discovery. It’s a paradox. You will become a very light spiritual seeker if you can deal with completely paradoxical things with complete openness. You will struggle like the most frightened ghost, as Guruji [Sri Mooji] would say, if you try to form an intellectual coherence to these pointings. Because our rationality can only take us this far - it’s not a bad thing. So, bring it to the end of your rationality. What is the greatest distance your intellect can go to? It can negate a person, birth, death, then, at best, it will have some very high concept like Absolute or Self or something like that. That’s the limit to our intellect. What is higher than that? To use the story of the Sufi master at the king’s gate, what are we pointing to? What is higher than that? What is higher than the greatest concept your intellect can hold and smaller than the smallest concept it can hold? That is the Self. The rest of it is also Self, but we have invested most of our time only on this limited box.