श्रीरामSatsang with Ananta
Awareness & Attention

No#ce It in That Moment and Let it Go

The sense of control or no-control both create a separate 'I' worth investigating; simply notice identification in the moment without making meaning, as meaning-making reinforces ego.

Seeker

It's already feels like it's just a play but none of this is who I am. Like playing a computer game or something... like you know you are not in it but you can become really immersed in it sometimes.

Ananta

But even in that one, are you taking yourself to be what? The game itself, the screen, the computer, none of it?

Seeker

No, it's like... I am not that what is playing and it doesn’t have any control over what is playing.

Ananta

You don't have any control? Who is this ‘you’ who doesn't have? In the sense that what I am asking really is that isn’t ‘control’ now is a primitive notion and can be thrown away. So either at best we can say it is Consciousness, my Being which is the source of all of these, which is the light of all of these and therefore the one in control. Or we can say that the control doesn't apply because there is nobody else here who could have it anyway. But I am a little suspicious especially of this one statement where we can say like ‘I am not the doer but I don't have control over any of this.’ And I really am asking this question strongly in these days, the ‘I’ who is not the doer or the ‘I’ who is not in control, who is that one?

Seeker

There is some identification, there is definitely some attachment to the idea of either I have control or I don't have control. There is some attachment there.

Ananta

And it can be shape shifting, it can be shape shifting because when we say ‘I have control’ you could take on a different shape and when you say ‘I don't have control’ you could take on a different shape but it's still shifting between shapes. So the notion of ‘doing’ or ‘control’ itself is not applicable. So that is worth investigating that ‘The I who doesn't have control, who is that one?’

Seeker

Now when I check-in with this ‘I’ it feels like ‘I’ is this kind of the body-mind talking to you…

Ananta

So what makes that set of sensations more ‘you’ than the sensation of this voice or perception of this (pointing to himself) voice? How come this is somebody else's voice coming to you verses those sensations are more ‘you’ than this.

Seeker

It's a thought believed in.

Ananta

Yes, yes.

Seeker

And now there is another thought says ‘Ah that's just spiritual ego talking...’

Ananta

None of it is a problem. I am not making a diagnosis like a doctor who is saying ‘Ah now we diagnosed you, and you have this problem, you take these medicines for the next three weeks and that's what we need to do.’ No, the feeling behind which things are spoken is just to notice it in that moment and let it go, that's it. It's a fallacy of the idea of control which was brought into attention and now it's let go. It doesn't mean anything because if you make meaning then you make ‘me.’ That is probably the simplest tip I have for everyone, if we make meaning then we make ‘me.’ I had a conversation with someone yesterday and I realized that sometimes I have to elaborate a bit more because I may say something like ‘meaning equals me’ but then we might end with the notion that ‘Ah, therefore I am supposed to conclude that everything is meaningless’ but that's not what I am saying. It's empty even of that meaning that it is meaningless. And here the intellect cannot reach. So I am not saying at all the things are meaningless that's just to put too much meaning to say it is meaningless.. you see... Neither! Have all the meanings you had as an infant, how about putting it in that way? Before you were a two-year-old, all the meanings you knew you can have those. You can treat those as Reality the rest you can just play with conversationally. Then everything just falls, the whole facade of ego built up of all of these notions which are now spiritual notions (makes a hand movement of going away).

Key Teachings

  • The notion of 'doer' or 'control' is a primitive concept that creates a separate self - investigate who is the 'I' that claims either control or lack of it
  • Identification with the body-mind is simply a thought believed in; what makes certain sensations 'you' versus others?
  • Simply notice identification in the moment and let it go - making meaning about it reinforces the ego rather than dissolving it
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From: The Truth Is Right Here, Right Now – 15th October 2021