Just Let This One Thought Come And Go
Allow each thought to come and go without participation; the sufferer is merely an idea while the witness of the mind is your true self, and your heart/Presence is constant unlike the ephemeral mind.
When you were speaking with Madalina, you asked what kind of things we can identify with, like sensations, feelings, objects. So for me it is clear to see that I am not my feeling, not the sensation. But I usually identify myself with the one who suffers them. And Guruji said, that suffering and the sufferer are both sides of one coin.
Yes.
I really can see that I can witness both. But still this identification with the sufferer is really strong, because I cannot control. The witness cannot control what is the object.
Slowly. Just slowly, slowly, slowly.
Yes.
How do you know your identification is strong?
Because I suffer a lot, you know. Guruji also said, “Who is the sufferer and the suffering? Transcend him.”
Yes.
I just couldn't. I gave it up and I am very guilty now, because I take now so much like herbs to let me sleep and things. I mean, I just give it up. I cannot. I cannot transcend everything. I mean, I don't know. It's just overpowering me and ...
Let's try to make some of this happen now.
Excuse me?
Can we try and make some of this happen now? Like suffer a little bit?
Yea, but this is the method that now I can't suffer.
[Laughing]
I know I shouldn't speak in time, but ... And now I was so peaceful over this Satsang and you and it was so beautiful. But I know, if I don't ask it now it is always coming back, this strong identification with the one who suffers the objects. I cannot make the sufferer disappear. I cannot choose or control what is coming up. I just have to take everything as it is and … So how to not identify with the sufferer?
Yes, yes. Forget the sufferer for a moment.
Yes.
Forget about the sufferer for a moment.
Yeah.
The good news is that your mind will only give you one thought at a time.
Yeah.
You see, it cannot give you two thoughts at a time. It may come very fast. [Laughing] It may be Boom! Boom! Boom! Boom! Boom! but it will only give you one thought at a time. Now you have only one job, which is to allow that thought to come and go. That's all. [Silence] So how to not identify with the sufferer? Just let it go.
It is not going.
It'll go. [Laughing] It cannot stay. Have you met a thought that comes and stays?
No, sometimes it goes but it's coming back and ...
Every time it comes, let it go.
Yes, but it is happening anyway, but …
What happens?
It is already going and coming and going and coming, even if I don't let him come and go.
Get out of that ride. Let the thoughts come and go. You get out of that merry-go-round.
Excuse me?
You don't get on that merry-go-round. You get out of the merry-go-round. The thoughts are coming and going. Thoughts are coming and going. Let it happen.
Yeah.
You don't participate in that party.
But Anantaji, I can see it is even not ...
… my control. [Laughing]
Yes! I am sorry, my English is not very good, but really it is not my ... It is just automatically happening. It is just I cannot do anything really about it.
Can't do anything. Were you here in the beginning of Satsang when we made the deals?
Yes, I did. This is why I said now, it is more about after Satsang.
No, no. It's okay. The you that does not have control is witnessed. You know I was asking Joanna, how much power does her non-existent cat have?
Yeah. Yeah, I know.
If it has not any power, it cannot be God obviously, you see? It cannot be God. Because what kind of God would have no power, you see? So either God must be here or you must be here. Who is the one that is here?
Always God is here.
But God has now become powerless against its own creation with little bit of bubbles called the mind.
I don't know why God likes to suffer. [Laughter in the room]
[laughing] Let's see. There is God, there is you ...
Yeah.
… and there is the mind. Is it like that?
No! Me and the mind is the same and there is God.
Okay. So you are the mind?
Sorry?
So you are the mind?
Yes.
Okay. Now between two thoughts, who are you?
No, no, sorry. No, I am not. No- no, I am not the mind.
Not the mind. Because mind is only thoughts. And you witness even these thoughts and between two thoughts then you would have gone. But you don't go. You witness even the absence of thoughts, isn't it?
Yes.
If you were just the mind, then you would only be there when there is a thought.
Yes. But who is the sufferer?
There is no sufferer. [Laughing] That is the idea. But don't worry about that for the moment like I said. Don't worry about this. So now there is God, there is you and there is the mind. Now you say that there is no …, like me and the mind is the same. Is that correct?
Yes.
You are the same as your mind?
Yes.
So when the mind is not there, that means the thought is not there, you also go?
This I goes. But something is still here.
Okay. So the one that goes, is that more you or the something that is still here is more you?
This depends on how much I suffer. I mean this one is always here.
Now the simple way is if you were to take my word for it.
Yeah.
The mind is not you, you see.
Yeah.
Therefore the sufferer idea is just an idea. It is not you. That which is aware of the perception of the mind is you. Who is that one?
Yes. I know. But the one who is aware, is it the same who creates everything?
So now what's happening in this conversation is that you are the girl in the middle, okay?
Yeah.
There are two of us, who are trying to pull you on both sides. Two, let's call them men pulling you from both sides. The Master is saying, “Come come with me!”, and the mind is saying, “Come come with me!”. And what is happening is that you are trying to have a three-way conversation. So when I tell you, you go back to your mind and say, “Hey, what do think about this?” And mind says, “Bah bah bah bah bah.” And then you say, “Ah! Bah bah bah!” Then I say, “Blah blee blee blee blee.” And you say, “Oh, but he is saying blee blee blee blee blee.” So what? Then he says, “No, blah blah blah.” You see?
Sorry, Anantaji. I listen to you now. I'm so sorry.
So what is happening is this three-way conversation, where you're in the middle and your Master is pulling you and the mind is pulling you, you see? So I want this to become a two-way conversation for at least a few minutes.
Yes, sure.
Now a three-way conversation means I say something, you give it to the mind and say, “He is saying this. What do you feel?” The mind says, “But I feel I'm the sufferer. What am I ...?” Like that. Then you represent that. Then I say something in response to that. You give it back to the mind. So for a minute or two just cut that connection.
Yeah.
Don't make that connection to the mind.
Yeah.
Don't give anything I'm saying to the mind.
No.
No other with the responses also.
Yeah.
Okay. Right now, do you have any question or struggle or problem? [Silence]
Don't go …
Yeah, yeah. Right now. Right now no problem, because you are here with me.
Okay, okay. Now is there any time for you now?
No.
Is there any time?
No.
Then if there is no time, then what is the difference between right now and always?
Now nothing.
[Laughing] But?
Because the third one says something, I don't want to say.
Don't listen to the third one. Be with me. Listen to your heart. Which is the same as listening to me. Now stay with that. Now tell me, who is the sufferer? Where is the sufferer? [Silence]
Don't go to the other guy!
I know.[Laughing] It just pulls me really much. And there is a lot of things he wants to say.
Yes, yes. Both of us want to say a lot. Who you want to pick is the question.[Laughing]
[Laughing] I don't know.
Oh really? Good thing I have no ego. Otherwise … [Laughter in the room]
I mean, I … [Laughing]
At least you're honest. That counts. [Laughing] What does he have that I'm not giving you? [Laughter in the room]
Excuse me?
What does he have that I am not giving you?
[Laughing] I didn't mean it.
[Laughing] Because I said, “Who do you wanna pick?” You said, “I don't know.” So I am asking.
[Laughing] I wanted to say I don't know where is the sufferer.
The suffering. You want it. [Laughter in the room]
No, I said at the moment I don't know where the sufferer is. I didn't think the mind. No.
Now I want you to do something. Just go away from the zoom. Just walk around in your house for a minute and come back. Tell me, where you lost me.
Really? Really you mean I should do it?
Yeah. Like Guruji gave that project also to somebody. I want you also to do it. Because you have reported this many times that when you are here in Satsang you are fine. But then after Satsang, what happens? So let's see.
[Laughing] Okay.
When do I vanish? And it's only the mind, the other guy.
But will you wait? Are you going to wait for me? [Laughing] (Laughter in the room)
Yes yes. [Laughing] Don't take too long. Just take a minute. [Laughter in the room]
Okay. I am going now. [Laughter in the room]
[Laughing from far] [Laughter in the room]
Still laughing.
[Laughing from far]
Far. [Laughing from far]
Ah, Anantaji! The third one wanted to say: Look! In the kitchen it's not so strong.
So he is the first one and I am the third one?
No no. The third … yeah [Laughing]
At what point did you leave me?
[Laughing] Anantaji you never leave me.
Yes yes. Exactly. This is never ever about this body. Never about it. It is your own Presence, your own divinity in your own heart. It is always with you and you can always rely on that.
[Laughing] Thank you so much Anantaji.
You're welcome. So welcome. You don't need to imagine me in this exercise. It is really true. This notion that when I am in Satsang everything is fine, but when I go it all goes away. It is actually the mind which is the ephemeral one. Your heart is not coming and going.
[Laughing] I love you.
Thank you. Very good.
Thank you so much.
You're welcome. . . . Highlight from Satsang- 25th February 2022 You Are Beyond Assertion and Negation, None of These Apply to You Time: 1:45:30-2:01:50 Link:https://youtu.be/SFGKxMNATbk
Key Teachings
- The mind gives only one thought at a time - your only job is to allow that thought to come and go without getting on the merry-go-round of the mind
- The sufferer is just an idea, not your true self. What witnesses the mind is the real you - awareness itself
- You're having a three-way conversation between yourself, the Master, and the mind. Make it two-way by not giving what the Master says to the mind
From: The Way of the Heart – 21st October 2022