All of Us Are Still Children

Yes, that’s one way to look at it. Tell me what is happening in another way. Don’t use the term ‘resistance’ because resistance is also something that we have learned in Satsang. So, what is happening, just tell me in another way — maybe like explaining to a child what is happening to you?

Yes, yes, yes. But this happens to me all the time as a child. Is that resistance, Auntie? [Chuckles]

That’s all I said. You said, ‘what happens’ (that’s what I heard, maybe you said something before that), but you said, ‘Nothing is happening the way I want it to.’ And I look at my child life — yeah, I wanted so much candy, I wanted to not go to school; I wanted so many things that way but none of it is happening. So, is that what you mean? [Chuckles]

Then both of us are having the same resistance, just the topic is different. [Smiles] I have resistance to — ‘I don’t want to go to school, I just want chocolate, I don’t want to eat any green vegetables.’ And now, you seem to have replaced it with other things that seem more like grown- up things, but maybe they are not.

So, this is very good. So, sometimes to talk like this is very important because what has happened, all of us are still children actually. We are just pretending to be grown up because now we have bigger words. But our issues are the same: ‘I am not getting my way.’ [Laughs] So, what would you take…

[Chuckles] I was just going to ask that. (because I could sense that question was coming). When your son was a little younger and he said, ‘I want candy, I don’t want to go to school, I just want to play in the park all day,’ what did you tell him?

You would have said something like ‘Trust mommy, she knows better what is good for you.’ [Laughs]

Yeah, all parents, all of us have done that. [Laughs] So, basically, you asked the child to surrender — and that’s exactly what we do in Satsang. Don’t judge. Surrender. Know that this Divine Presence, God, Father, whatever you call it, knows better than what our mind is saying right now.

Life is never personal.

Exactly. So, that’s what happens. That is why all the sages have said to return to our innocence. Because our grow-up nature hasn’t learned anything important, it’s just picked up a lot of seriousness along the way. Even with children, sometimes they cry, sometimes they fret, they throw tantrums, but they don’t hold a grudge, they are not saying ‘why is life doing this to me?’ They might say ‘Why are my parents doing this to me?’ but that also momentarily. Just the topics of what we say — that has changed, has become sophisticated as we have grown up. [Chuckles] ‘I want candy’ has become ‘I want Freedom’. But the ‘want’ part is still the same. Very good, very good. I enjoyed this conversation very much.