You Won't Find the Unchanging as an Object - 18th October 2017
Saar (Essence)
Ananta guides the seeker to distinguish between the ever-changing realm of phenomena—body, thoughts, and world—and the unchanging witness. He points toward the undying reality that remains constant throughout all states of experience.
To perceive that which is coming and going, there must be a constant which is not coming and going.
If everything that changes is put in a basket, have you also jumped in the basket?
You will not find the unchanging as if it is an object; it is beyond the realm of perception.
contemplative
Transcript
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The simple point is clear: that for something we say is coming and going, then to even see that it is coming and going, that which perceives that it is coming and going, there must be a constant which is not coming and going. So, if you were to report that this wall behind me changes color—sometimes it is white, sometimes it is yellow, sometimes it is red, sometimes black—that means that there must be something which is not going along with the varying. It is apart from that which witnesses that. So this is clear. Then what we are talking about is really simple because the clue is that we have to find that which is the unchanging while everything is changing. What is the unchanging?
Now, this unchanging... what is our experience? Is it our experience that something is unchanging? In the world of this appearance of the world, is there anything which is unchanging? There is nothing that is unchanging. Everything is constantly in a state of flux and slowly changing. This body, how much it has changed! That which was born, that appearance body is gone. That young child roaming after chocolate, that child is gone. That adolescent with all the dollars and things is gone. This body has also been changing, yet there is something constant. It is said, 'This is my body.' Whose body is this? Who has perceived all this change? The world is changing. Now, what person is this? Thoughts? Even more transient. Even those thoughts that we believed, that we keep all our belief system in—look at your belief system of ten years ago. Is that system what you believe today? All those bundle of beliefs that you believed, look at the belief system today. It has changed.
I'm taking a breath, and a second breath. Deeply. No pleasure being... if any of these were constant, then we would not seek pleasure or try to run away from pain. It is changing. What about the states? Waking, sleep... the sleep state came, the dream state came. In experience, anything? In this constantly changing act, that which experiences all, that which perceives all of this, that is the witness to all of this, and yet by itself it remains unchanged. And if it is unchanging, then it must be very simple because it has been our constant. If we cannot find it through the senses, cannot even find it through this inner perception of thought and the imagination, sensations like emotions and all of this, we don't find who is that which is the witness of all of this. What is it, this witness of all of these changes? You.
So for a few moments, we allow that which is changing to be exactly as it is. If you are not concerned about that at all for some time, then what is it that we are finding ourselves to be? And if we put all that we are concerned about—all our so-called problems, all our so-called responsibilities, all that we consider that we have to do, that we desire—if we put all of this in a basket called 'changing,' have you also jumped in the basket? What is it that is not yet inside the basket? If everything that changes and all the concepts about everything that changes, everything is put in the basket of change, have you also gone? The world is gone, the body is gone, thoughts are gone, imagination is gone, emotions are gone. What remains?
Let's talk about that for a little bit because all our life we speak about that which changes. Can we speak anything about that which is unchanging? Can we give some time to this, some focus to this? Because actually, we know what is going to happen in the realm of change. We all know this body is born, this body will be cremated or buried somewhere ultimately. The dream starts and the dream ends; it cannot continue forever. So the story of the changing is very straightforward. Is there something which is beyond this story? Something that will not die when the phenomenal ends? So what are the clues we are finding now? That which is the unchanging, that which is beyond birth and death, that which is the witness to all that changes.
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All the elements are constantly changing. What witnesses the elements, including the space in which the elements are arising? Because why, in the scriptures, it is said that there was a young boy, Nachiketa. He was offered everything that the world had to offer by the god of death, Yamaraja. He said, 'Don't ask me about the undying. Take everything that the world has to offer.' Because the young boy Nachiketa said, 'Tell me only about that which is beyond death.' This is the story of the beautiful Kathopanishad. If you are Nachiketa, what is it that you want? If the Supreme Lord was standing in front of you right now and said, 'Ask for whatever you really want in your heart,' would you ask for something which also will come and go, or something which is beyond it? Why you?
If the term 'appearance' means that which comes and goes, then are you also an appearance? And if you are not an appearance, then what are you? Who is aware of all of these appearances? Is that itself an appearance? The nature of all forms is that they are changing. That is another clue. So you will not find the unchanging as if it is an object. You will not find the truth as if it is a perception. Can you report something which is beyond the realm of perception? Here the mind starts to struggle. So I take the simple example: what's a man to perceive the glass? So you report the glass, you perceive something and you have to label it 'glass.' You see this is a glass. But when I asked you if you are aware now, do you perceive awareness? And if you are perceiving something and just taking that for awareness, I know what is aware of that. Some of you might... your mind might be offering you the jewel of awareness like some dark space or some luminous energy, but what is aware of that? Is that space? Is that dark or light? How do you confirm that you are aware?
And so we collect our phenomenal experience. You know the mind cannot help us. The mind can only relate to phenomena. You don't have to imagine the answer. You don't have to infer the answer. We cannot solve this puzzle. You cannot use your intellect, cannot use your reasoning, cannot use any concept, no imagination, no past and future, no sensation or emotion. What are you right now? Allow all thoughts to come. Notice what witnesses these thoughts. Allow yourself to witness your next thought, and as the thought goes away, notice what witnesses the space between two thoughts. Does the witness change, or was it the same? In fact, it witnesses the coming and going of thoughts. It is unchanging. And you see that you cannot be the mind. The mind is just a bundle of thoughts. Who is this perceiver, and what is its nature?
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