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Yes, I Am ... , But As What? - 8th January 2016

January 8, 201614:2828 views

Saar (Essence)

Ananta guides the seeker to recognize that the individual 'person' is merely a mental construct, revealing that the only true doer and experiencer is the ever-present sense of Being or Consciousness.

The mind is only a troublemaker... the root point of reference for the mind is that you are a person.
There is only one doer and one experiencer, which is Being itself.
Freedom from delusion is freedom from this idea of a person; then everything moves on its own.

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Transcript

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Ananta

So let me read out your question. You can still hear us right? This... no, your head. Niranjan asks: 'Namaste Ananta Ji. You asked: Can you stop being? But I do not know what it is to be in being.' It's simpler than that. It's simpler than that. It's just right now, you are. Can you not be? Can you say 'I am not'? You are. 'You are what' is a different question, so we are not concerned with that for now. And then you say, 'Yes, I am.' Yes, this 'I am' is what? This sense 'I am', 'I exist'. This being is conscious.

Seeker

Namaste. Hello. Yes, yes. Can you hear me? Just about? It's a little low but it's okay, we can manage. Yes, I understand what you say. I mean, I am. I cannot deny that fact. I do exist. But if I take that only, that 'I am', since I am nothing more than that, but then the question comes: then who is... I mean, who is doing all of these things? I'm doing my job, I have family. I mean, for... I mean, who is this one? I mean, it confuses me, you know? I then I don't have, you know, any reference. I mean, then who is living this life?

Ananta

That's so... already we say 'Yes, I am'. So this 'I am', this being, amness, this is the only one here, isn't it? Is there another one? Who is another one who's here? Is there I amness and Niranjan? And if there is Niranjan, then where is he?

Seeker

Maybe it's a thought. I mean, what I have been believing to be myself.

Ananta

Yes, yes. Only an idea, isn't it? An idea cannot do anything. Only that which is here must be the doer, isn't it? In a mental construct, can it just do something? No, just an idea. So if Niranjan is just an idea, a concept which got your belief, can Niranjan actually do something? It's like imagining that there is somewhere someone sitting next to me and then we say to that one, 'Can you give me a glass of water?' Will it be able to? It's just an idea. Only that which is must be the doer, isn't it?

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Seeker

That means I am the doer, but not as...

Ananta

Exactly, exactly. So I am is the doer. This I amness. There is no Niranjan, so it cannot be the doer. And this I amness is doing everything. When this I am is not, like in deep sleep state, there is nothing. This I am appears and this whole phenomenal play appears, you see. And it's not always just this phenomenal play; there's so many other phenomenal plays like dreams, or that which we call dreams in this waking state. This might be a dream for that waking state. In the presence of this I amness, all this phenomenal play happens. Therefore, we can say that there is only one doer and one experiencer, which is being itself. And there is no... then the thoughts that come that 'I have to do my job, I have family today,' and maybe say for example, 'I have to go home' or 'I have to go to work'—these thoughts have no meaning because they are all referring to you as Niranjan. Consciousness is doing all of this on its own natural way. Consciousness is not dependent on thoughts to run this universe, isn't it? Is this thought making gravity function? Is this thought making your heart pump? Which thought is making your breathing happen? All happening. It's the mind which takes credit for all of this and says 'I am doing this, I am going home, I am sitting,' but this is referring to 'I' which is Niranjan. It doesn't exist. Now the mind says you will just sit without doing anything, but that is not your experience. Movement, activity still happens.

Seeker

Then it looks that if I don't decide that I have to do something, or if I don't take a decision that I have to go to job or I have kids to educate, you know, I have to earn money... if I don't decide that, it will not happen. It looks so.

Ananta

It only appears like that. It's only the mind which convinces us. Right now your hand is moving. Are you deciding to move it?

Seeker

No, no. Just moving.

Ananta

Who's moving that?

Seeker

Moving... it is moving, but who is moving that, that I cannot say.

Ananta

Yes. Only that which is here must be the doer of it, which is only I amness is here. Only being is here. You can use Consciousness, being, I am, God, whatever word you want to use, it's fine. But nobody else is here. That creates trouble. That concept is the trouble. It creates trouble. It says, maybe for example, 'You are not sufficient, you cannot do this,' or 'You're no good.' Like the negative kind of, you know, the commentary. Negative commentary will always create a... the mind is only a troublemaker. But when it says good things, that is also trouble. That also doesn't matter.

Seeker

Yes. The root point of reference for the mind is that you are a person. So everything is dependent on this lie, you see. And this lie is so prevalent that a rare one looks at it and asks, 'So who are you talking about?' And it says, 'You are a fantastic person.' Who? You cannot find. So it's still a lie, whether it's good or bad.

Seeker

Yeah. And the lie which troubles me most is that... I mean, if I tell you about something about... I mean, I have been a ranker through... I was good in studying, you know. Then somewhere around it was... it tumbled off, you know. I was the last person, I could not study, you know. That was a totally a reverse kind of thing. I used to be the first in class till a certain standard and then I started being at the last, you know. And this one, that 'I am intelligent' or 'I'm a scholar, I'm brilliant'—this has been the trouble. This thought... maybe this is a believed thought I can say, because people have been telling me since childhood that 'You... and how can you be second?' or 'How can you get less than 90%?' you know? Our Indian education system... I mean, 'You have to be a doctor, you have to be a doctor.' And this kind of beliefs. But why did I believe these things? That I don't understand. I mean...

Ananta

No, it's a habit which has been inculcated ever since we were little. When we were two, two and a half years old, then these thoughts started coming, see? And they were coming authoritatively, so we believed. Our parents were also saying the same thing: 'You must be a good boy, you must go to school, you are like this, you are like that.' All of this is filled with identity. This realm is full of that. A few of us come to this point where we see, 'Yes, but this one that they're referring to, I can't seem to find this one. Who are they talking about?' Because the body is not a good boy, it's just an instrument, you see. There's nothing good or bad about it inherently. Who are they talking about? And once this kind of inquiry starts, then this whole delusion of person starts to dissolve. And there are just three or four of these key areas. So one is about relationships—special relationships, close relationships. Second is about this work, abilities, security, all of this, you know, money-related things. Third is about the health of the body and how good the body is. And fourth is about this search for freedom itself. So around these three or four key identities we keep moving. But when you ask, 'Who is this bothering? Who is suffering from this? Or who wants any of this?' very quickly you see that there is nobody like that which is here. The body doesn't even want a good body; the body is just here. So the one that wants or doesn't want, who is that one? That is the nonexistent, not even imagined properly once. And freedom from delusion is freedom from this idea. Then you will see that all thoughts are appearing and disappearing, and the same way all actions are appearing and disappearing. There is nobody to take credit or blame. Everything is moving on its own.

Seeker

So it's like simply being.

Ananta

Yes. Being is already. Yes. I don't have to be. I am.

Seeker

Yes, exactly, exactly. You already are. But as what? I am as I amness itself. As I amness itself, as being itself.

The Thread Continues

These satsangs touch the same silence.