Whose Free Will Is It? - 1 June 2016

Listen, yes or no? Doer-ship? Because this whole world is working with some sort of mathematical probability and the mind comes and says, 'Because you said this' or 'Because you did that.' That's what I see. It's very quick to assign these kind of stories. And there are many biases that come also because of this. For example, things like success bias. If you read the papers, you'd only read about successes. Until last year, this year you hear about a lot of failures of that ambition. Every startup entrepreneur I know—it's going a little away from Satsang—but every startup entrepreneur that I have met has had a lot of fire, a lot of ambition, but it doesn't always translate into action. It doesn't always translate into success. For example, let's suppose it's just like this: like a thousand people come to Satsang, it doesn't mean that a thousand people will get realization of the truth. In the same way, like a thousand people are working for success, it doesn't mean that a thousand people will achieve the success or not. It feels like that ambition and thinking should be there, but success has a contribution of these things, but there are a lot of other factors like luck. Luck is what? God's will. Okay.

So what you're saying is that God's will plays a part as well. Now this, you cannot find. Isn't it like the root of peace? Let God's will play the part, but it cannot be without you playing a part.

Now this 'you' is who? You like using that. How do you move your hand? Okay, this moment, I know which hand is also going to move now. Okay, I am going to move the right hand and the right hand seems to move. You? How did I? Is it done? How is that decision actually moving the hand? Do you know how to do it?

You mean to say that there is no difference at all between reactions?

Yes. Who is volunteering for the action or not? You said, 'My right hand will move.' It could have just been as a joke, the left hand moved. God's joke, see? So just like the thought came, 'Move the hand,' same way the action came, the movement of the hand. I did not create that thought because I don't know which thought is going to come next. Why did I say 'move the hand' and not 'move the leg'? I don't know. You do not know the next thought. One thought comes and another thought comes and says, 'I see, you decided to move the hand.' If it is thought-based, then thought is controlled by who? Who is creating your next thought? You? Then you say it is just an appearance from nothing, goes back into nothing. Can I say that?

Can it be also like the breath, which like if you let go then it has an edge, a done reciprocation, but there is also a freedom to direct it in a certain way? For example, the Pranayama, the different kind of yogis getting through. In the same way, there are thoughts.

How do you control the breath flow? How do you move those nerves? Like we used to do in session, yes, I know how. How did I do it? Sorry, is it a loose idea that because the thought comes that, 'Okay, now I'm going to control my breath,' therefore this 'I' who we cannot even find then finds a way to then check the breath? Who is actually playing like this? You? Neither the thought nor the breath. You decide this is going to be the thought? The thought came to you. What about movement of breath? What did you do to create that? What ingredients did you use to create the thought? Did you collect some energy from somewhere, put it together as a thought? It came. This one who did that thought, ever was whatever breath, and the action was both arising within this play of consciousness. Who is the thought coming to? Who are these two? Can't I say it in this way, that just like in this space of I Am, like these are girls, the body exists in the same way, and these bodies are like a phenomenal tool to experience this sphere? In the same way, I exist.

And this I exist as what? As if that in is a clean body exists.

Okay, in this realm there's no 'I exist' as that which knows the body. Okay, that which knows the body. Okay, very good.

Yes. Now, if I could give it some attribute, then I would say that this is space-like I Am in which the body is appearing.

You exist as I Am. That would be—I'm just clarifying what you say. He is looking disappointed by this course. Attention as I Am exists, isn't it?

Yes, that's what you see.

Okay, then.

And in the same way as the body is appearing, this energy which is because of the laws of—at least it into the play, it is happening. Am I not correct?

So, I haven't finished answering. We started talking. Okay, did she start crying? Can we please be quiet? No, that is scared to talk. He exploded in front of him. Love that explosion. You have to explain to us what happened.

Father, it is just like when she spoke with the question and also the way she was putting those questions, then I felt like I had the same thing. That's why I wanted to follow up. Yes, this question actually was very strongly present here also because I have spoken about this also, how there is so much identity. Now you use my father also like what you speak. Like I have seen in the experience that it's just what appears in the present moment, like any movement of the body exactly. But like in Satsang, like I fight with you.

Oh, finally! Hey, because we were waiting for this answer for a very long time. Did you tell me you were in the debate? Listen, because I feel like there are many moments also that a lot of identification is going with the doer-ship. Clarification—it's good if we can have more clarification.

I very often have said that the real conclusion to this free will versus God's will debate is only to find out who is that one who could have free will. And when you see that there is no one here except God, then there is no distinction between God's will and free will. And I've immersed myself in this question for many years, as you know. The determination—I do still feel strongly that I have free will.

Yes, when you are who?

So like if you say that, if I knew who... okay, just ignore the question. That question—dodge what you are implying to say, that it is the person. It is the person.

I am not implying anything. You tell me who you are.

I can't relate it to this question of free will, the sense that I am. So let me see if I can relieve this. So there's God's will. You say you call it fate or destiny or luck or whatever you call it, and there's this idea of free will, you see? Now, God's will we know belongs to God. Okay. This free will belongs to who? That must be the meaning of free will, that it is free from God's will. Free will means what? Free from God. Very finite. But free from God, you?

I don't see like how this free will that I claim to have is separate from the God's will.

Yeah, exactly. It cannot be different because there is no individual you. There is only God. I do feel that I have free will. No, I know it's a prevalent feeling in the world where most, if you go and ask, they will say, 'Yes, yes, God, you believe in God, but we have our own free will.' And then you say 'you,' what is where it starts to—the concept of free will starts to dissolve, you see? Because as you see there is nobody here that has free will, all must be only God's will because only God is. If you say God is everywhere or God is, then what are we saying? God is everywhere except this 'I' who has free will? Okay, included. And how much control does the superset have over this 'I' which is included in that? Just label and leave it at that. Look more and say, 'Okay, there is a superset and there is a subset.' So what is the boundary of the superset and subset? Akin am bord na hamare teeny commissure good John second a second to.

It has free will. All must be, must be only God's will because only God is. If you say God is everywhere, oh God is, then what are we saying? God is everywhere except this 'I' who has free will? Okay, included. And how much control does the superset have over this 'I' which is included in that? Just label and leave it at that. Look more and say, okay, there is a superset and there is a subset. So what is the boundary of the superset and subset?

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So he's saying, okay, now you only have to translate because your habitation did run later than me. We say that we can't talk about how power is because we don't have that much like strength and power. Yes, but we are not saying anything. We had to say who is this 'I' who doesn't have the power to know God? So let's take a practical example. Okay, I can simply drop it if you don't drop the question who you are, because somewhere in our belief you can say that that is beyond me actually to find out who I am, to find out the distinction between God and I. Don't make that an unapproachable question. So what if the rest of the world says it? That's why there are so few of us in satsang here, because there is a feeling here that it can be known directly; it cannot be known mentally. So either you prove me right or you give up on the question. I am very much okay, we can talk about it like in ten days continuously if you were okay with it. Yes, but you don't, don't switch the question: who is the 'I' that can have free will that is independent from God? Call it God's will anymore.

Okay, so I will give a practical example for that.

What do we need an example? You see who the 'I' is. If there is 'I', you must be able to point to it now.

And wait, I would say that this 'I' who claims to have free will is the consciousness which is present. You is that I am this consciousness when God is also I am that I am. Therefore, only it is only your free will, but you as God are consciousness. The next thought is creating now. With which gear is it creating the next thought? If I asked you, imagine banana. Can't imagine banana? Who is imagining it? Power. If imagination belongs to who? I am not saying that there is no power to imagine.

And he's saying it does not belong to this fictional entity called Ananta. Who created this idea that let me say about the banana? That also came from the same consciousness. The same consciousness which has the power to project this heart has also the power to project imagination, has the power to project all of this. Yes, before I said, he said she's making all attempts to hear only this side of the answer, not that I hypocrite. So this subliminal either, but I love it. You have innocent. I said bananas. Yes, but I feel they're very close to something here because all that is, when are you individually? Now you are seeing belongs to consciousness. The power to imagine, the power of creation of the next thought, the movement of the next action—all of this, who is doing and who is experiencing? Is there a separate entity called other there who's doing it?

Okay, so this hand moves. It moves. Before the movement happened, didn't you experience there was a will which arose this movement? Before thought, before movement, there was a will which caused this movement. Yes, and who created and experienced it? You. Sense of moving, the sense of thoughts coming, the sense of imagination, all of this is appearing. That I am denying the existence of other yourselves. Can I say it is the consciousness or I am?

Yes, of course. That is then what we are saying.

In my experience, it's not like what you saw. Mooji Ji says that consciousness is not deliberately doing any one of these things in my experience.

What do you mean by deliberately?

Like what it sounds to me when Mooji speaks on this topic, then it feels like he's on some automatic gear and I missed it on manual gear.

So let's look at that. Because the feeling of being on manual gear, does it feel like consciousness or presence is doing it, or does it feel like there's an individual decision-maker who's doing it? Because my experience from the past of feeling like I am doing this or I must do this and now I have to do this, that felt like just the interpretation in the subtitling coming from the mind. Irrespective of what was coming from there, actions were moving independently of this. That's why it's always been in automatic; it just feels like you. It's what? A lie. So let's go to the root of this. Suppose you are doing it deliberately on manual gear. Who is this you?

The one which my thought I said.

Who is that? That is the starting point of when we come. This is the thing we come to: my body, my thought. Now, after you look and inquire into this 'me', what do you find?

I don't see how it is wrong if I say that it is the door.

Okay, forget about the door, the conversation we had so far. I will link it back for you, I promise. Who is this 'me', you? The sense of being, I am. The sense of being is here. Is there anyone else?

Yeah, you. She knows this.

Okay, very good. So this sense of being is God. Is there any other will except that which belongs to this one?

How could it be possible? Wasted I'd like key both energy multiple stuff of toffee schwate Maurice a Hilton but he doesn't seem like this.

But that's why you use the dream state to check. Who's projecting the entire universe in the dream? After waking up, you say it's all a projection of my being, consciousness. So if you say that all will, so what I find for the 'me', 'my', and I say 'my will', I find only this being and that which knows this. You see? So this being is that which we call God. So then are you saying this is free will or God's will? So this is a very good contemplation. Contemplate into this: that there is no other God but this being. And just like a dream where there might be this sense over the dream life, you see that the entire dream was just a play within yourself, within your being. The same way, this waking state also you will have the same insight. When you take away this idea of the existence of another besides this presence, then all the glory of this presence will become more and more clear to you. A mythical person and a mythical God will dissolve. And you find that your own being, your own consciousness, is the one consciousness, the one governing some ideas about myself or some ideas work on you. So if you really mean to say that the being that I experienced myself to be and that which I call God or the supreme power is one, then how is it at? Okay, contemplate more. This is very good.