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Where Should We Go to Find the Self? - 26th September 2017

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Ananta emphasizes that the self is already present and prior to existence, urging seekers to abandon the 'much ado' of conceptual identity. He points toward a natural state of being that remains untouched by the coming and going of phenomena.

Satsang is much ado about nothing, because we speak about that which is not a thing.
Don't exchange your holy presence for a notion about yourself.
Empty of any notion of yourself, tell me if there is a 'you' that is gone.

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Transcript

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Ananta

I'm a sailor very long. Welcome to satsang this morning. Guru Sri Moojiji ki Jai. Where should we go to find the Self? He sent a message to someone, sent an exodus tree. All the words so many have said: 'Tired of concepts.' Why are we tired of answers? Because they are not getting us anywhere. And any concept we want to hold on to, any idea that we feel like is the ultimate truth as an idea, then gets smashed by life. And life stares: 'No, even this you cannot.' So it's very good if you're tired. It's the best news if you're tired of concepts. It's the best news because if you are not tired of concepts... but I get a bit tired. Supposing it is the greatest news and someone says, 'I'm really done with notions.' Notions about yourself. Do you need a notion to exist? Emotionless existence, does it have any trouble right now? It is as simple as that.

Ananta

So what you hear in satsang, I just do these motions to rid you of what? Pre-existing conditions. Empty as a baby, it is not here. The world continues to play. Perception is happening. You exist. You are aware of this existence. That's simplicity. The Self is here. It is aware of its own dynamic aspect or existence. Where is the invented you now? Take some simple examples. Right now, all perceiving is happening. Looking is happening, hearing is happening. Now, is there a you who is deciding to see, deciding to hear? A monkey there in the switch of hearing comes on? This is happening. It is able to distinguish between the pauses and the words, to distinguish between the various colors in this phenomenal creation. It is able to distinguish between the sensations and the emotional set you might be experiencing now. It is doing all of that. Where are you? What are you doing? Is there a you which is apart from this?

Ananta

Don't pick up any notion. Don't pick up a notion because in the picking up of the concept, you will give birth to this individualized you. Not real birth also; imagine birth to the facade of you. If that one comes and goes, if identity comes and goes, the Guru says, 'Don't pick up the identity.' Guru says, 'Don't identify.' So that means the identity itself must be coming and going. Who is it coming and going for? Is that one coming and going? Saying that this is like a Shakespearean play, much ado about nothing. Do we have to look at that one? Is that all of this—the trying, trying, getting there, not getting it, getting it—is much ado about nothing because you are it? You cannot get it or not get it that way. It is much ado about nothing. But actually, satsang is also much ado about nothing. All we speak about is that which is not a thing: the Self, which is not phenomenal, prior to all phenomena. Let's make much ado about that. You are all allowed to make much ado about that which is not a thing. I'm going to make any ado about something big. What will you report there?

Ananta

This often I do this now just to show you what is happening. So there's a sense of 'I am,' 'I exist.' You know? Can you see that you cannot have any experience unless you exist? So first there must be this existence. All experiences, everything that you perceive, is after that, with existence. Then the body, this energy construct, my thoughts, world, relationships—all of you know none of this is experienced unless you exist. So this existence, who is aware of that? I am aware of even this. This 'I' is prior to even existence. Why do we say it is prior to existence? Because ultimately even existence is the coming and going for 'I.' I used to ask: 'What woke up?' You see, 'I woke up at 7:00 a.m.' What woke up would be that which witnesses even this, that which is prior or untouched and unmoved with the coming and going of even existence.

Ananta

So we made much ado about that which is after existence. All phenomena are thoughts. It begins, it's given. Spiritual experiences, we have some of that, we have all of that for some time, and that's me. What is that which is not a thing, which is prior to even existence? We will not need any ado about this, and yet we have looked for constancy, permanency in something which is coming and going. All experiences, they come and go because 'I am' itself comes and goes. Now we look for constancy in the wrong places. Find that which is the one constant, that which is aware of even your presence. Can you take this? You leave you alone. Can you take the idea of you along as we cross this? We do nothing from this realm. We can cross this, but you cannot carry this one along.

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Ananta

So the 'you' that we consider ourselves to be can never get it. That which is not even a phenomenal appearance, that which is not even a phenomenal appearance, just a figment of our imagination. Not even a clear... if I ask you who's the 'you,' you cannot clear the imagination. Not even like the pink elephant has credence, but you, the 'you' which you might be considering yourself to be, that is not to be you. Say, 'Okay, the pink elephant is the body.' Now, if you are a body, what are you doing here? If you are just a body, what are you doing? If you are the body-mind, what are you doing here? There is nothing here of the body. So somewhere it is already seen that you are beyond this.

Ananta

I was saying the other day, jokingly, that if the body actually had an independent sense of volition or chores, then between hearing these words which are meaningless to the body and eating chocolate ice cream, why would the body choose to come to satsang? You are not the mind, which is just coming and going through these thoughts. What is that which remains untouched? The body coming and going, is there nothing? Are you also coming and going? If there is no sensory perception of the body, no sensation of the body, do you not exist? If you were to close your eyes so the visual perception is gone, and for some time suppose you lost your memory, do you know which body is here? You've got to remember which body is here to meet the memory, but you still exist. Let me turn to the experience: happiness, wake up in the morning. Huh, this body is for that which is coming to this recognition, is perceiving even this body. Who is that one that is aware of the sensation that you have of the body? A dream in it, this body is changing. The baby body that was born, there is not a single cell in common with that one and this one that is here.

Ananta

Famous for support, the Theseus example. There is a ship, you know? There is a ship. One by one, every year, one part of the ship is changed, replaced with a new one. After three years, every part is different. What makes it continue to be the same ship? The name, identity. There is a part two to this famous example, which is you change one part and with these parts actually a michiel emotion... so it's changing one part of the old one and then you're using that old part. So which one is the ship of Theseus? This body is constantly changing and this much is clear: that nothing about that baby body is here. What is it that continues to make it me? 'I was born here. Now this is my story.' Most of that body which was there ten years ago is not here. All the pieces are fresh. So what is it that makes this you? Who is the owner of this? All the functioning of the body, are you doing it? Report noogler. Are you making seeing happen, hearing happen? That way, 'I move my hands.' Do you know how to fire neurons? 'I'm here, I see.' You're not weak, you're here. Yet if I say you're not hearing, actually somebody else is hearing for you, is that right? Hearing these words, and yet we are not doing to hear. Which is that 'you' that is hearing these words? What are the senses reporting to you? Is there a person sitting over there? With the person, the so-called person, just this judging, interpretive voice lives here in your heart. Is that an entity? Not the physical.

Ananta

So all sensory perception and so-called inner perception is going on naturally. Where existence is happening naturally, there is a simple awareness of even this existence. Now what else you want? That idea of 'want' is the invention of the untrue. That what is, is not enough, is the invention of life. Like I have the seven-course meal laid out for you on the table, but I want some scraps on the floor. Compared to your holy presence, the divine being that is here, all that you could want is just like that. But it's waiting for you. You're playing with the dollhouse of identity. That's why you say, 'Don't change this holy presence for a minute on... don't exchange what is with a notion about yourself.' This is the habit. This is the religion. Satsang is rehab for that religion. Now the identity sometimes complains that, 'Accept me, not that concept about myself which is this must be true.' Or the addict's mind is a devious mind. It wants to use even the words of satsang but it's more addiction. In the rehab, we're getting medicine to cure yourself from your addiction of smoking. So many are smoking the greater concept of satsang instead of digesting the medicine.

Ananta

So this simplicity of what you are before you pick up a notion about yourself, this is all that I'm pointing to. Actually, that's why I'm pausing everybody's questions for a minute to this: before you pick up the question, what is it that you are? Is there somebody sitting there who has got it? Is there somebody without the notion? Somebody sitting there who is not watching all of these? Address this idea. It is too simple for the mind. I was reading about the sage once. He used to say, you know, 'Any question, any question, ask me. Don't itch, don't hesitate. I'm here for this.' The questioner would come with the questions. What the actual question? Stupid, you haven't heard anything outside, prior to anything that you might feel is blocking us. Any idea of somewhere to go? Because here alone you play on the merry-go-round. How many times will you buy tickets to this?

Ananta

Bucci held his beautiful slitting water. Ah, he was getting married. So his father, Dasharatha, said to his younger son, Lakshman, 'Lakshman, go and invite all the sages. We want all the sages to come bless this ceremony.' That one goes on his horse and by inviting all the sages, then he reaches the great sage Vashisht. By the time he got to Vashisht's ashram, he's like, 'I have so many other sages to go to, so I better change this invite.' He stays on his horse and he tells the sage, 'Sage Vashisht, my father, the great King Dasharatha, invites you to my brother's wedding.' And Vashisht says, 'I don't know who he means, Dasharatha. Who are you?' Lakshman is starting to get angry. Lakshman, as portrayed in the scripture, is as it is somebody very volatile. So then he says, 'What do you mean? I'm the king's son. This is my story.' Lakshman, let me go into that hut. And the King had given satsang in this thing, said, 'If the sage doesn't recognize you, he does my ring. Show him this ring and he'll know that you are actually my son.' So Lakshman is trying to show the sage this ring. Sage is not just saying, 'Go, go into that hut over there. Just come over there and I will spend some time with you.' So Lakshman hesitatingly gets down from his horse and gets into this hut. What he sees is a vase with so many of that same ring, the king's ring, unique in the kingdom. He breaks down. 'What's happening here? I don't understand this. This is my father's ring.' 'Oh, you have so...' Sage Vashisht says, 'How many times will we go through the same thing? When will you get off your high horse of the ego? When will you be this one until of identity?' What was the ring? Just identity. 'I am the king's son. I am this.' How long? How many times we have the same old conversation, lifetime after lifetime? And the alarm clock keeps ringing: 'Wake up.' This which you say, 'I want to play some more because I found the next...' All the concepts become empty of this notion of yourself. That which you consider yourself to be, this neighbor especially, like it is just this what you consider yourself to be. It seems to work out your own magnificence. Remain empty of any notion of yourself. Don't exchange Brahman for a mere talk. Then tell me if there is a 'you' there. It is gone. Don't pick up the idea of your haughtiness instead. There is nothing to do, nowhere to go. You, the other day I was saying that it is as if the green is pretending to be the orange. What will you tell the sleep? 'So I think I'm not... when these thoughts go, then I will see I am the green.' These orange thoughts go, only then will I see the green things. No.

Ananta

Your own magnificence—they mean empty of any notion of yourself. Don't exchange Brahman for a mere talk. Then tell me if there is a 'you' there. It is gone. Don't pick up the idea of your haughtiness. Instead, there is nothing to do, nowhere to go. You see, the other day I was saying that it is as if the grape is pretending to be the orange. What will you tell the grape? 'I think I'm not... when these thoughts go, then I will see the grape.' Okay, these thoughts go, only then will I see the grape? 'Things are very orangey, it must be an orange.' You buy all this. Okay, don't worry about thoughts and the feelings for some time. You see what you really are. Is there an orange? Sure, you don't even need to find the grape; just see that the orange is not here.

Ananta

So I think that our truth is easier than this grape and orange example. If you see that the false is not here, the truth is. That is why this hypnosis is also Maya. Consciousness itself comes to be. How do you do it? I'll do it and you do it in an unconditioned state. Present emotional state and associated 'me' as ego change your consciousness. They never become impure, but you can perceive that you are now whatever the mind will say will be a bird, and that bird will be an unacquired inference. If you look to the bird, whatever it is, you will see that there is no 'I' on the basis of which that thought is believed. 'I am still not getting it,' but I have, because if you were to inquire into it, you will see that there is no such 'I' who wants anything at all.

Ananta

So our doubts are just these uninquired judgments. I said often, better to those who say, 'Satsang, give me time.' Sometime forget about the bird and also forget about the hand. Any time is so simple, so clear. The mind wants to participate in this and it knows that the birds have been seen through, so then it wants to hide somewhere. There is no anger after God; there is no hand to the seventh. So the emotional quality might exchange from the doubter to the pretender to be fine. Even that is not you going to be rid of this ritual already, which it has an offal. Then when we play this game, computer games and such, something because 'I am awareness,' but all I have myself, but all the side and the back of the hand are meaningless. That is the job of satsang. Those machines which I use here in satsang must play the role of the thorn which removes the thorn and then must be thrown away. Moving on you now listen.

Ananta

But everything is tasting like this. Music escapes the dynamic living with raps are attractive. So because what changes this is the habit. How will you break the habit? Give it to me. You must give it to me. If you give it to me, then you must give it. It became better. Giving it to me means that you have no relationship with it anymore. It's all mine. Surrendering means you are saying, 'But I'm only assuming you now, everything else is yours.' You're going to make that a bait for your ego to hold on, because the one that is aiming that 'I am coming' is not the same one who says, 'Your grace is in my life.' So then giving it to you might sound like they need to go. See, I can take it. Give it to me means you have no interest in it anymore. It's mine to be able anytime you say, 'None of this I want this way, I want to do it this way.' Are you not happy with God to the field? Let me see. 'I want this' is not the goofy aspect of this creation, yes, and yet it is the part. Yet this is the but. The scraps are coming in, but here this is also done.

Ananta

Actually, misunderstanding what you mean by a monkey when 'I am' is that is the dynamic aspect of being. So this presence is your Satguru here. You can redo the new office. We exchange discussed. I am not saying, of course, for energetic presence of satsang may be useful for us to see his truth, but even the energetic presence of satsang is not to disagree that you are making about yourself that your being is greater than one now. You see, you've been coming here for three years now. In three years, you must now be able to see that whenever I exchange the truth for the false idea about myself, I get slapped in life. Then I change the truth for a false notion about myself, like straps in. Oh God, that is what happens. That is what happens as you are coming to this recognition more and more, that the sensitivity towards the false will also keep increasing and you will find that that which used to be a comfortable position for you to take as a person now becomes... are you thinking should you really do this exercise? Because this question is for many times and tell me if I am not there, am I now here?

Ananta

So at what distance will I leave you? Do this before what's not there. So this is the confusion. If attention is moving now, our attention is constant. The expert attention is also going to this body in front of you. Attention is also going to the years, going to that total. Nothing can exist without your attention. This one, this one that has an idea of what it should be, is that one who should not get angry. You should not get angry resisting the energy which is not good you. Once you say that 'I'm getting caught up in the nominal clue and getting lost,' that's why I tell you to keep your eyes on me, to keep your eyes on me. However, here it was when there's a Guru and the devotion go away some days.

Ananta

No mixing it all about anything. Don't even know that because I'm not giving you a position. Any position, you see, it is my problem. So I want all your knowledge, everything that you know. I want all your stories, everything that you have experienced. Just don't know, you see? Because in this seeming report about the past, we'll make him a projection about the future. That means you don't as much. Okay, now I am immersed in the now. Show me this 'I'. Is it? Is it? It sounds like a problem because you say it is conversational, but you were going to say, 'Here I am immersed in the heart, but when I go out it is not this.' Now this 'I', is it fictional or is it real? What is your relationship with this cave? Then why you want the play to change? The witness, why is it? Some are sounding a bit art all over the place to do this. Maybe it has become knowledge, you see? And it become knowledge, yeah, because I feel like the innocence of just speaking from what is is being replaced with wanting to do some concept.

Ananta

If you really see that you are the witness of this entire play, then what is that? And remember not to make even this not knowing anything the position. It can seem a bit uncomfortable to start with because you can really understand the opposite of this position. 'I know something.' I don't want to say neither then either I am doing or Father neither either know something mean or Mohammed just mean I'm clear of any notion about yourself. This is the gift to people, whether you should experience bliss, bliss, bliss, joy, joy, joy after this anger, anger, anger. Less fast, bus be you know. Don't know. We cannot all notion that we might have about it should be hilarious. This is one attractive notion for me, especially those who've been in satsang for some time. It relates to you and you can pick up the idea that it must always be like that, then I will be free. But this is you, and the mind will come in and say, 'With what we've been doing here for three years, and have I understood this?' Forget about that one who's been here three years.

Ananta

What are you even now? Yes, emptiness is the true position, but without a team opposition. You know what I mean? If emptiness also becomes a position, then he like nada one time. My daughter actually came, she came and said, 'I'm just trying to be open.' Nada, nada. She came to satsang with a beautiful report. She said, 'I heard you talk about openness and since then I've just been trying to be open.' And initially it was a relief, but now I see that this openness itself is causing a lot of trouble because openness also is not a position. Being open means that neither free nor foul, neither enlightenment nor suffering, not applicable. We got it, not applicable. We not got it. That does not apply to the truth of who this is. What I'm sure will still seem like the same 'I, I, I' did survive and neither you are connected. End of story.

Ananta

No, but see, but whenever fireworks my enlightened... those are difficult of anything. That means I'm still... mind is still talking. Both of you can, I think you knew the position, especially those who have been with me for some time. Being anyone's can have some time to settle into this terminology of satsang. Continue. When I say 'not applicable,' it might not make sense, but I'm taking my sword out for those loud. This is the sign of the now. We have went through the Ashtavakra Gita many times. First few chapters, three times. The solution of crayons, they're not gonna play this game. Chop, chop, chop.

Ananta

Exactly, that's why I shared this to eat it. Every time we take the position, it is an invitation because position means 'I am only this and not that.' What is the position? If there's something like an unlimited position, even if you say an unlimited position, it is defining your limit. This means on this side of the debate or that side of the debate. This is my stance, this is my mask, this is my pretense. Empty of position, yes. What is it? It is impossible to resist. The ego is 'yes' to resistance to what is.

The Thread Continues

These satsangs touch the same silence.