Once This is Truly Known (Ashtavakra Gita 1.18 - 1.20) - 10th October 2015
Saar (Essence)
Ananta teaches that while all forms are subject to constant change and unreality, the formless awareness remains permanent. He emphasizes that true knowing is not a fleeting glimpse but a deep, repeated recognition that dissolves the individual ego.
Attachment is a folly because it assumes the ever-changing realm of form should remain constant.
The power of belief is our power of pretense; we must check our reality over and over.
The Supreme Self exists both within and without the body, just as space exists inside and outside a jar.
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Transcript
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Verse 18. I like the way we're going today. 'That which has form is not real; only the formless is permanent. Once this is known, you will not return to illusion.' So, that which has form is not real. Real from which perspective? You see, from the reality of the truth. Because we've seen that in the worldly realm, everything is changing, you see. So can we say that it is the truth? So if I was to say the curtains are yellow, you see, then tomorrow they could become red; they could fade in the sun, you see. So, is 'the curtains are yellow' the truth? No, because it is possible for them to change, you see.
So in the same way, everything at the level of form—these bodies, this room, this ashram, this city—everything is subject to change, constantly changing. In fact, I like this example where I say that every cell of the body, it seems, changes over a period of five years, you see. So we say, 'I have had this identification with this body forever' or 'as long as I have lived,' you see. It is not true, because there is nothing in common between this which is here now and that which was here five years ago, you see. Those cells have all dropped off, all gone; these are all new cells, you see. So this form is changing. All forms we see are changing, and that is why attachment is a folly, you see.
Attachment is a folly because this is the realm of change. To attach means to say that 'this is mine and should not change; it should always be like this.' So we get attached to someone or something being a certain way, you see, so that when the change comes—and it is bound to come, you see—then that gives suffering. To presume that which is the ever-changing for that to be a constant is a folly, you see. To see that this realm is constantly changing, you see, is to see that this realm is ultimately unreal. So you don't have to go about labeling everything and meeting your friends and saying, 'Hey, you're not real, you're not real.' Not like that. But just to know inwardly that we are in this, we are experiencing this ever-changing realm, you see. Therefore, to attach too much, to attach to it in any way, would be a folly.
We read that 'that which has form is not real; only the formless is permanent,' you see. So what is the formless? What is the formless? 'Once this is known, you will not return to illusion.' Is this true? So you know this now. Do you know this? How many know this? Not just mentally, but really know this, you see. But will you return to illusion? Yes. I've not seen so much enthusiasm for returning to illusion! So how can that happen? Because there is this power of pretend, you see. The power of belief is our power, the power of pretense. So this will continue.
Actually, it is a fallacy—not that the sage was speaking something which is a fallacy, but it is a popular fallacy in India especially, where you feel like the moment of self-recognition is the end of all spirituality, you see. And we feel like, 'Oh, I had that awakening experience and now I cannot be bound,' and that concept itself becomes a bondage, you see. It becomes a spiritual ego; it becomes a specialness, you see. So that is why I say that in spite of these moments of recognition, which can become clearer and clearer, you see, you will find that the false conditioning will still try to lure you away: 'Come, come, come, come, come with me,' you see.
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But what I would like to say is that once this is known as the truth, you see, then the tree of the false conditioning has been shaken to a large extent. And as deeper and deeper this knowing goes, the seeing of itself goes, then this realm of illusion, this realm of belief in the pretense, starts to seem more and more impossible to get to, you see. So when the sage is saying 'when this is known,' he is not talking about the glimpse of it or the awakening experience; he is talking about that being known more than anything phenomenal being known. The reality of who we are is known to such an extent—much more than any concept about some phenomenal appearance can be known—once that becomes a knowing, then the false cannot hold any power over us.
That is why one of my favorite examples, and I know I belabor it sometimes, is the example of if our belief was that the sun comes from the West, you see, and then someone comes and tells you, 'No, no, it's not true, it's just a concept that you have. You must go and check,' which is a self-inquiry experience. So when you go and check, you see it comes from the East, you see. So this is a glimpse of reality. But the mind still has potential for doubt here. It will say, 'Okay, maybe only today it came from the East,' you see. It's saying, 'Maybe right now I'm awareness because I'm in Satsang, I'm sitting with you.' We hear these things, isn't it? 'But when I go out of the Satsung hall, I no longer am awareness.' We hear these things.
Then the Satguru says, 'Okay, check again,' you see. Check the next day, check the next day, you see. So as more and more we are coming to this recognition over and over that there is no individual identity here, then we come to a point where it is clearly known: there is no person, there is just this awareness, you see. Then when someone comes and says—the mind comes and says—'Oh, the sun comes from the West,' what to do? We just naturally laugh at it because we know it's a joke.
Verse 19: 'Just as the mirror exists both within and without the image reflected, the Supreme Self exists both within and without the body.' This is fairly obvious now that we just discussed this, that it is one being which is—there is no separation between this body and outside. Inside and outside seems to then be—no real separation is found.
Verse 20: 'Just as the same space exists both within and without the jar, the timeless, all-pervasive One exists as totality.' Same thing. Oops. So verse 20 was the end of Chapter 1.
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