Is Awareness and Knowing the Same? - 7th October 2016

Nothing.

Nothing. So we cannot call it person.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. So there was meaning... there was no world, there was no sense of I Am, no being, nothing. And yet it was... I mean, when it wakes, when we are there or experiencing there, you don't even miss anything. Every service since this, there is no lack, there is no idea of any loss. The confusion that comes for me is that, but how can you say I was there? You... yeah, you can say I was there because it admits for you. Is it? If I say there's another state in which you are, you see a hundred rainbows, she says, 'Is it you?' That is something you say, but I have not experienced that. I don't think there is such a state. Oh, but when I say about sleep, you say, 'Yes, of course.' So I went to sleep and I woke up. So we were not there in the most primal sense of existence as I Am, and yet to be able to say this itself means that there was an I which knows that even I Am was not there.

Yeah, so but the same one is now also seeing. The same one that was there has to be here to behold, answer that question. But then when I see the same one now, I suddenly... the same one becomes a person. It feels like a person, you say. We move like a person, you know, Anthony. I mean, if I say just mentally like a question-answer, if I am, I know that it must be the Awareness which is talking. Keep it like experiential now. I'm trying to just not be a mental answer, and experientially I'm coming to a recognition that there is no person. So it always must be the same one all along. You can be this one, then became that one to him. Even if it became, it's the same one who begins this, became that. Something that... some tree for my things, there must be only one reality.

So when we say that, oh, this person doesn't exist, the person doesn't exist, somehow when I try to understand the meaning that this person doesn't exist, meaning I who always am exist, not as I Am that time alone. The consciousness only there always is. And this person, when I feel that I'm not this, meaning doesn't exist in a sense, it has to be an idea or something which can be gone away. Of course, because I can't go away. I mean, I sit here and I'm knowing of my own existence always. Very good. So somehow this same original... I am saying calling it the original has come into a conclusion. The person is not concluding is a person. I, the original one, has become... putting out the power circuit. Okay, then confusing to you.

So let's just break it up a bit so there's no confusion. In sleep state, no, we can say the being takes birth, consciousness takes birth, I Am. But beingness, being simple, listen to this. So now this sense I Am appears and it is the same I which is now 'am-ing' I Am. It is not another one. There are not two. Now some of you hear this, sometimes you put that sounds dual. It is not. It is I Am. It is not that there is an I and now there is another which... it is I itself, the dynamic aspect of itself which now appears as I Am.

Now with the birth of this I Am-ness or the appearance of this I Am-ness comes the birth of all the powers that come along with it. There is the power of attention, there's the power of belief, there is a power of gravity, the power of electricity, the power of magnetism. It's all of these forces that come into play, you see. Now this, let's zero in on the power of belief. I Am, before it believes something, remains unassociated, just as I Am, abstract. Belief, that is the moment of biting the apple, the forbidden apple of knowledge, that it goes from this pure I Am-ness into pretending. Is it as if it is 'I am something'? When it is pretending as if it is 'I am something', that is what we call person. But just because it believed itself to be something doesn't mean it gave any tangible existence to this idea of the person. It is still only a belief, only an idea. So when it is said that you don't exist as a person, it means that you never actually existed. It was only a myth, only an idea. Just like the cat example, isn't it? The cat never existed.