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In This Openness, All Will Reveal Itself - 3rd May 2016

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Ananta emphasizes that both devotion and inquiry lead to the dissolution of the temporary 'me' into the permanent Self. He guides seekers to drop conceptual jargon and mental ideas, resting instead in the simple, non-dual allowing of all appearances.

The point of the concepts and of the silence is to see that I need no concept now.
The me itself cannot find permanence. When looking for the permanent, it cannot be reliant on this sense of me.
Don't buy another cigarette. All ideas are selling us the story of being somebody.

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Transcript

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Ananta

Thank you, thank you, my dear. Namaste everyone. A very warm welcome to satsang today. Satguru Sri Moojiji ki Jai! Somebody is calling me to tell me to say something. Yes, the wheel. Sometimes I need this closeness, yeah. It's just a bit of a mark. It's like this, a Guru mark. Yeah, this one. It glows. Me wanting to block? I feel stupid. No, okay, seemingly so because something I'm close to, you feel that. How can you be here more closer? Then it's not a physical thing. The Satguru comes outside to be here to show you he's here. And next for now, close attention. Yeah, how will you leave this? Only when the thoughts start believing them. No longer. Every concept takes away from the now. Yes, taken from them. Yet I am near them. You need a Master to drive home the fact that Master contents are available to you just so that we can be free of all contents. Yes, none of the jargon, actually. Some new jargon, some have an aversion to jargon. What is okay? Good. Their protein is intellectually this understanding. The conceptual framework should be controlled. Understand that also because I've been there, you know. And someone would go on like this, I just want to run. And they can see like that, boom, impossible. You could have gone together, right? So jargon or no jargon, the point of the jargon, the point of the concepts and of the silence, is to see that I need no concept now. How is it without a concept? Without a concept, how is it?

Seeker

Nothing to say. What is it? Is it good? I'm like a depressed nothing to feel, that neutral. Nothing to fear. All joyful? No, I mean that early. It was a very hard thing from heart, heart, that me, hard. Very laughter and tears and you know, that's thank me because before I came to you, I practiced so much of devotion. Yet when I think I'm pregnantly also, that's that's my mind closer, go to go home, my kind of way. Although I had, I did go through a lot of stuff first, yeah, learning a lot of stuff, yeah. So at least both of it, yeah, yeah. These are collapse, union, devotion, the surrender, the lover. So it's so so so so it's too sweet. Just jargon wasn't satisfied by bhakti, melting, melting, bursting of the song in the heart. To me, that was, I don't know, for me, I was just, I tasted the sweetness but I didn't understand that, you know, the truth like flowering of a being seen, coming presence. Although it was all there, but has it the terminology? While in suspecting, enjoying presence but not knowing at that moment that's presence in your image of business flowering was so beautiful with all the devotion. And then the devotion came to you. It took a long time for me to surrender at your feet. There was a lot of block because it came from such a sidebar balance. I'm not, I'm to my hair, too much of love, incredible love, yeah. And so the collapse of the subject-object in devotion as well as, yeah, for core Brahman. I don't like, I can't point to it. Maybe you feel lost in it, yep, totally. No, I did their identity, a bad guy, and then momentum really that well because they gave that up. And then was constantly satsang and and now let's look at something interesting which you say, which is that what do you mean? Whatever I was doing was not finding of permanence in it. And you know, for that which is permanent, by definition implies it's not coming and going. Permanent means permanent, not coming and going. Me is also coming and going. So this me itself cannot find permanence, is it? So when we are looking for that which is permanent, then if I'm that, it cannot be reliant on this sense of me.

Ananta

So what happens in devotion or inquiry? Lost in devotion, lost in devotion, lost, lost, lost, completely lost. What gets lost? This sense of me. I cannot find myself, only You are here. So with You now, that will be referred to in devotion as the permanent. With the permanent not coming and going, the me got lost, dissolved, whatever you like to see. In the inquiry, cannot find the me. Me is a label for what? Tell me. That's the question. If many cities have asked, there's a beautiful Indian sage called Bulleshah where they use Indian, actually Indian. So he has this song, I cannot figure it out, who is this Bulleshah? Cannot understand what the label is for. So what's happening there? The me getting lost, cannot find who, who could lie, who with the table saw? So because either he is drowned in devotion or in introspection cannot find this me, then that will remain with permanent. So to let go of all that is temporary and what we mean, and you do this together. Outside, temporary for me, say my mind. Outside is temporary, changing all the time. All the attachments, relationships, everything that was there twenty years ago, where? A few of them might still be there and might seem like you swore to them that you cannot live without them, and yet you're here. Here you are. Through this outside interview, everything constantly changing. Okay, this body, temporary or permanent? Temporary. Even every cell in the body has been replaced from three years ago. Not a single cell we see in here that was here three years ago. So even the teeth, even though what makes up the teeth, yes, within one year everything is changing. Therefore temporary, changing. Then our thoughts, temporary or permanent? Phenomenal sensation and perception, temporary or permanent? Changes. So then if you're looking for permanence, then we cannot look to any of these. Not look to thoughts, sensations, body, outside, nothing. We could be looking for that which is eternal. And we have seen that all of these are temporary. So now what is left? Not theoretically, not judging, but what is left? We say not this, not this, not this. Good luck to have treaties and this which is you, not changing. I'm changing order to find this, just be the game. Don't go away. Even the going away, can it really happen? Because with that which is, then how can you go away from this? That which is only attention can go in, but even then, even then it happens like everything happens. At strings with the only one substance, cannot change. Wherever it goes, there is a substance. So there is no going away.

Seeker

But yeah, but but oh, I can feel it as a company feeling temporary or permanent? Feeling is temporary.

Ananta

So when you find it in feeling, can find and you together that I will want to look for the already went through this and he said feeling also temporary. Now when you say I can't feel it, then how can feeling, which is temporary, report on that which is permanent? When the Master says, when the Master writes and then and reports in books or talks that everything, everything happens in awareness and there's the same substance, and whether attention goes or not doesn't matter, there's no loss of that substance here. But when it is not felt in me as a as a as a spring, then to you only one thing at a time, huh? We said we'll look for permanent. Okay, let's see with the permanence and then be oneness found or not. Because you say oneness is not found with the me. Now with temporary one game back or the temporary? Because a living you said with me is temporary, is an idea. So let's not go back to this one. And what is the separation? So before to when it which is the separation you're seeing them when there are objects or no objects? Yeah, when we are nearly established in the saying there's oneness. But now as you're keeping all that it is temporary, you're not referring to any of that. You say that it is, is that which is, is permanent. This is a bad is-ness to be here now without referring to that which is changing. Can we find some separation? There is no separation. And there's only only that. There is no solution that may be the oneness is on man. Even be here, my attention is totally here. All I'm saying is if you are looking for permanent, we kept aside all that is temporary because we are not interested in all that is temporary. We played all those games of temporariness. Now we say I want something which is stable, permanent, unchanging, unmoving. When you look, look, look, look, this which is you, can call it awareness, is permanent, unchanging. I who don't refer to this which is which was changing, then where is the separation? Where in the two-ness or they separate here? Do you need to visualize something to be able to move? I need to check. So when I'm talking, is only that is anyone is okay? What a good. There are only two ways in which you can report then: either from direct checking like this or from a mental idea. So that mental idea and going to let go of because that is also temporary. Ideas keep changing. We had a different idea of ourselves some years ago, now we have a different idea of ourselves. So we are not interested in the temporary. Now when you check that which is seen, is that changing? Does that ever change? The witness is unchanging. Now as we are taking this, we find any separation? Anything in anything can appear in that wall, but yet that is not separate. It doesn't become certain anything in at the end that anybody, anything in everybody, but that doesn't change. That's always there. Good. All objects can happen here, can be seen, can pass, come and go, but you are established in that. And you know when you're checking this, nothing can happen to this. It's very simple, yet very it hides. The habit of not being there has to be broken. We can feel like that. How to break this habit? Just not going with. Then you'll go along with your plan. Don't run, don't run along, don't run away, don't run along especially. So what what we are saying is I want to give up on smoking, say for example. Now the habit of smoking cannot be lost by smoking a very fancy cigarette. So many times we take very fancy ideas and replace them for that which we felt were stale ideas. And the fancy ideas can be very spiritual also. So not even in that. That's what I said, yeah, all these fancy ideas, different jargon, different terminologies, different approaches. Okay, it's alright, it's a different expression of different Masters, but still is jargon, still jargon. It won't pick up any favorite, not expected. But the habit now, they now I picked up a better habit and listening to more jargon and what sake it is a movie that you're longer screaming to a little in spite of all the jargon we might have. It is not bearing though softly, yeah. And it's not the end of identity. It's not engine, it is not, it cannot be this, cannot you cannot be it's like as you said, a sign him and more fancy cigarette went wrong. John love granted that in college because the cheapest experiment that jargon and we went to watch an excerpt into a my lord we already got em can you saw the average Charla that is so amazing we go study with that's a great in school. Okay, there was more food and rendering so the basic that's a good analogy, yeah. Don't smoke anything at all. And so the dual symptoms can come up here, can come from frustration, anger can come, yes, only things that can make them to destroy you know to climb give verdict in eleven, yeah. It's so dumb sometimes, it's it's compelling. You mean the screen happy if the rehab will open with some psychotherapy silicon talents the support that we have which is open now. Danny, how many who start the rehab actually finish the rehab? Doctor sketch normally I don't know the system as I could have listed as gone what percentage of those who start rehab actually if it was just open and not restricted would actually stay? Depends. It is very open like satsang which lets go to you that it is it is possible to drop out although what will better is to continue even but something which wants the addiction to continue in fact feels like the addiction is the only way to live. How many it feels like to get better and better dressed concepts is the only way to live? We're moving from concept to concept and feeling like, 'Wow, I started feeling and I started with concepts of so much duality and now I have concepts of all this oneness.' But as long as it's still the concept, it will not help. Since the the trick and it seems exciting, the trick is that it seems exciting but it's a distraction in actually s-

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Ananta

The addiction to continue, in fact, feels like the addiction is the only way to live. How many feel like to get better and better dressed concepts is the only way to live? We're moving from concept to concept and feeling like, 'Wow, I started feeling and I started with concepts of so much duality, and now I have concepts of all this oneness.' But as long as it is still the concept, it does not help. The trick, and it seems exciting—the trick is that it seems exciting, but it's a distraction. And actually, sometimes also it can be that clarity can move to the fanciest addiction, and then even that we find that I find no freedom in this, I find no space in this. And then maybe some of us have to go through that: moving, moving, moving; changing, changing, changing; and then saying, 'Even this does not help. Let me throw all of it.' Good, yes. So let's not give you anything about others. Are you willing to not buy another concept?

Seeker

Yeah, a little difficult. I bought... don't buy this one, but I didn't like... I want Mooji and you know...

Ananta

Yeah, I love, I love Guruji. I love Guruji. It can feel even so far away that, 'Stop. If you stop buying the concept, I don't need...' But the energies are the energies, you know? I think that if you did not buy a single thought, then would that energetic movement, with the love that you feel with all the beautiful ones, would that stop? Yes, it has to stop. It has to be here. Well, I think, will it stop because you don't buy thoughts anymore? So children don't have thoughts before, too. They don't experience any love for the mother? Yeah, thought has no money, has no value. You never know when your thought has no value. Now you see already it has no value, so then don't pay for it. It will be obvious how around whatever it is selling, yeah, nothing is needed. You, nothing is needed here. And again, nothing is needed. But I have to be with you, to be with Mooji. Yeah, okay. Maybe the hook, that sort of thing with love of being, doesn't have to go anywhere else because you're not buying thoughts. Yes, if you love to work your own brain, yes.

Ananta

Yeah, sorry, but we lost your... dear Father, and your Father, yes. Idea, one thing we have a lot of batteries. This is working now. I can see what's working now. Maybe if I turn... maybe the switch was loose. He said yes, yes, yes. Okay, I can see the bars actually. I'm Krishna, Krishna permanent. All that is in service to that which is permanent, all that is permanent and also all that is in service to that which is permanent does not rely on our thoughts. All that is impermanent and is personalism relies on our thoughts. Yes, so even the love, peace, and joy which is in service to your permanence does not need a thought. You cannot think of love; you can only think of needs.

Seeker

Yes, whatever the energies... what about the energy that comes to you? You know, this is so compelling sometimes. What do we do with it?

Ananta

There's nothing to be done about the energy. If you can see like this, that what the energy wants, the destructive energy wants, is for you to feel like you want to do something about them. The more you energize it with your own attention and with concepts about it, the stronger it seems to become. In Satsang, yeah, the gates is not finished. The gun and energetically also something is working in Satsang, but the more we speak about it, the more it becomes an expectation. Something should happen, something should change. Or the ideas—we are only addicted to the idea of being somebody. All ideas are selling us the story of this somebody. And we have come to the recognition that we cannot be somebody, then we have no need for these ideas. These are not ideas. No, I'm not answering generally when we are talking about the addiction. This is what the addiction is to. The addiction is just to the idea of being somebody. As you have let that somebody's devotion or inquiry, then what use of what? What use of our thoughts?

Seeker

The variance, okay. So what about an idea? You think the compelling feeling in the body... using the compelling feeling in the body, these energetic distractions that want to take you away unless we think about them? So you guys always appealing and then it becomes an idea again.

Ananta

Fulfilling more in tune for all these sensations, for all these so-called tendencies to arise. But to make it special or shameful, we need ideas. To make something out of you, it's just another appearance. We need ideas. To make guilt out of it, you need an idea. To make pride out of it, you need an idea. Yes, to make regret and remorse out of it. Even without even labeling it as anything, what is it? Just another appearance, just another sensation. Thank you. These are the Jesuses and the Judases and everybody. Through these are Jesuses and Judases and everybody. I apologize for those around you on behalf of the man you... other. We cannot hear you, Father. You're on mute. I think on the computer it's on mute. There you go. Okay, we're going to figure out what's not working here. So I don't know how much of this you heard. Almost. But there can be a very natural sense, and children are growing up, that everything my father does is wrong and I don't even, you know, feel like he should have been my father or something. Let him come. And here also it played like this till I had my own children. Have to worry so much about you. You need doctors, winning black history. I like to shine light, shine battery. Let me see. I don't know if everything is upside and downside in this realm.

Ananta

Hello, yeah. Maybe where he was holding like this, it just magic. And maybe because Radha Ji was here, if it comes to Zubin, we have no union. You don't need a thought to sit close to me. And anytime we can be that many in the room could be having this thought, 'Maybe I should go close to him, I should go close to him.' But they're not moving, so it's not thought-dependent. Even believing the thought with action is not happening. And some of them, the action happened and the thought hadn't even come and it's like, 'I don't know what I'm doing here.' It's independent. The mind's story is that it is dependent on thought, but thought and action are independent. For there to be dependence on thought for the actions, that would mean that there is an individual separate one that exists that needs this input. If everything is seen to be just one movement, then how can there be this sense of separate action-reaction? You get one more friend. Oh, okay. Maybe from the shop down south, if you can get... you can sit here. The black team ahead, Dia and Doug, can you please help me? Look, she can come.

Seeker

Hello, hello my dear. Listen, so yeah, I feel a bit awkward. Hmm. So it seems to me, Ananta, that there is like this mutual awareness which is background, it's always here and it cannot be heard and stuff like that. And there is another awareness which is like limited. And in my core, I kind of try to understand. I get it sometimes. I get the sense that this big mutual awareness is myself. When that's here, it's like a sense of great relief, constant. But in my experience, that happens involuntarily, kind of through grace of Master, something like that. And it's only short, it's only... I cannot rest in it. It's like it's very ungraspable. Yeah, even though I'm alert. And my wish is, is that understood? We got under...

Ananta

Yes, yeah, yes.

Seeker

And my kind of wish is to be able to rest as that. But this compelling kind of desire to be that arises, you know? Like I cannot... it feels like I can't do it on my own wish, things like that. Now, how... this awareness, can we let it go? Let it go. Losing your grasp. Grasp may be removed. Sorry, we agree, but the nutrients... no, I can't. No, it's always there. It's like, yeah, I mean, even if I go, it will still be here, the awareness. It feels like that.

Ananta

I can't hear you. Yes, I know. No, we can't hear you at the window. You're kind of coming back in and out with the sound. Okay, let's try to make a list and thank you. It's coming and going or staying? Coming and going or staying? It's okay. At the moment, okay. So coming and going, okay. Going on, what is staying and going? Nicely using me. I know, I know. This awareness cannot... this awareness cannot go. So the 'I' which... when I have a parent, yeah, which one? While since birth is inexperienced in the... but you were you. Environment expected to see that this appearance went. How do you know that the appearance went? Good question. The 'I' which can go cannot be 'I'. Only 'I' anyway is here, but still there, still there that something went. That something went, how can you make yourself an appearance? Is it possible? Yet it feels like that. I don't know. I know what you're saying, though. Doesn't make sense.

Seeker

Good, because you got time for... because I am you. Think that this is moving above thought, which feels like it's like 'I' mmm... and even this little thought, yes.

Ananta

Yeah, I suppose if I do fall asleep, not coming in will be something which is comfortably... yes. See, this dynamic means of this can be here or not here, or present or not present. But that which witnesses even this, that witnesses any of this, that is unchanging. And it is 'I'. And it is 'I' because it is not anything that it cannot have. Even I know because I let the act and something went. But it is not a mental knowing. It is more direct than that. It is more direct than that. So this which is aware, that is also aware. He comes and this dynamic aspect is not there. It is impossible to separate you or Self from this because this is yourself. Then go. I think they go because you're mute. Okay, yes. If it open it up, keep it open like there is a translator then. And as a translator, their action, but in the same language, but in the same language.

Seeker

It feels like I'm looking through the window of this, you know? And it's so close. This whatever is coming and going, it's like obscures the thing, kind of like that, without commentating and commenting stuff.

Ananta

Yes, but without believing the interpretation of this, is the phenomenal perceiving or the seeing which is happening through this window of consciousness, is that constricted in any way?

Seeker

No. Yeah, it's only when the believing is happening in thoughts.

Ananta

Yes, yes. When there is no belief in thought, it's kind of there is no separation as you say. It's like it's an open field. That we got used to your show, you go to this one. And the last part: what's in it for me? Even when we are looking about in our day-to-day life, we are applying the thought about 'what's in it for me?' So we only feel like we must look at that which has some seeming value for this 'me'. And in that way, our vision seems to have got constricted. But when we let go of this thought, 'what's in it for me?' then there is a simple allowing of everything and it seems like something suddenly opened up. And we are not concerned what something is bringing to us, what I might be getting from this. Then we are no longer concerned about these things. Then in that simple allowing, it seems like something became more global. Our vision, our seeing—actually the content of it might not have changed, but it is just the way of interpreting it which has been dropped, which seems so much more spacious now.

Seeker

Yes, I can. Yes. Is that enough, Ananta? If I... because this seems to be working here. Like if you drop the belief, is that enough? Like as a kind of practice, I don't know. I mean, do I have to inquire into it, like into this experience, like is it more than this and stuff like that? Or is it just enough to be this allowing?

Ananta

Yes, you're back now. Yeah, so in this simple allowing, which I'm very happy to hear you say because that means that you really assimilated the pointing. Don't believe your next thought. Don't believe your next thought is not a constricted state; it is just a simple allowing of all thoughts to pass through without giving it your belief. And in this simple allowing, you will...

Ananta

Yes, you're back now. So, in this simple allowing—which I'm very happy to hear you say because that means that you really assimilated the pointing—don't believe an ex-heart. You don't believe your next heart. It is not a constricted state; it is just a simple allowing of all thoughts to pass through without giving them your belief. And in this simple allowing, you will find that all insights are automatically becoming apparent. You don't have to worry about anything else. You don't have to pick up anything at all. In this openness, all will reveal itself. All you have to do is whenever life makes the space for you to be in satsang, just then the words of satsang are there, which are automatically doing something easy because this is Consciousness speaking with Consciousness alone. So you don't have to pick up any doer and don't have to pick up the non-dual. Automatically, something is being led here. So when we contemplate together, it can be very naturally followed without there being loose ends that 'I have to do something' or 'Am I doing this right or wrong?' All these ideas can be dropped. So in our normal day-to-day life, just simple openness, allowing everything to come and go. And as your insights come, just in this neutrality, something will follow on its own without having to pick up the identity of trying to do it properly or even inquiring properly or something like this. Nothing. Don't have to worry about it.

Ananta

Awareness is not saying 'I am that' or 'I am awareness.' This means no proclamation. Awareness needs no confirmation also.

Seeker

I don't really know exactly why, I just wanted to come on. There's been like some things... maybe it's funny because it's like maybe something dancing, like their energies coming trying to get my attention, belief or something. And some things that can... something will react a little bit, but then just see it and there's nothing. But I just felt to come up and just lay everything at your feet. And there's just so much like just trust. I don't know if it's complacency or something, like the guy was saying about radios just being complacent, but I really don't... it doesn't feel like that. It's just because there's been more contentment and peace and things, so there's not the same like feverishness there used to be around seeking out. But there's still like checking and looking, and I don't know, I really don't know. I just wanted to come to these energies which you see come up for attention and belief.

Ananta

Do they have one consistent message? Is it a group of messages which everything in family or just random?

Seeker

Well, yes, there's been some things. Mostly just random, like a lot of there can be just random little distractions. There's something like the Leon, just random little... but mostly one of the themes has been like with body symptoms there. But it's funny because there will be a thought like that, like the thought came like 'I should expose this to Father because there's this fear that keeps coming up.' But there's actually not a lot of worry or fear. Like, I don't feel that so much, but there can be... I don't know how to explain it. Just maybe it's attention, belief, and go to this. But I don't know. It's like there's not this... it's just these body symptoms and like 'Maybe I should look into this.' I don't know. And like, I think if I was just to say that with the body stuff, like maybe the biggest thing is like, 'Oh, but if there's neurological stuff,' you know, there's all of that. But that's maybe... but that's the thing that can keep dancing and like, 'Oh, what is it?' But I don't know because I can ignore that, but really right now it's just... there's nothing.

Ananta

It's good that you're shedding some light on this because... tell me when you want me to stop because I don't know how much I'm supposed to say about this. But for most of us, the experience of disease is like temporary—four days, five days, it goes, whatever it is. But you have this which is lifelong, no? There is no cure which is found for this. So you have this condition which has just become constant in some way as long as this body is here. So none of us should presume that we know what you're really going through. We should not feel like we can tell you that you should just do this, just don't think you're the body, or something like this. It is not coming from the truest place of direct experience. Even from here, I cannot say because I have not had this situation where something was said to be permanent. So I cannot speak from there.

Ananta

Yet something here is so clear now that everything that happened is grace. Even this, it's such beautiful grace because there is so much to inquire on, so much to just keep the fire. Life has put us into the situation when we say that 'I am not the body,' it is something which cannot be so trivially said. Sometimes it can be said in satsang or other places, it does happen. To be lyrically, 'Oh, I'm not the body.' But for someone who has been given this kind of diagnosis of the body, it can no longer just be like a trivial statement just for intellectual discussion. So when it comes from you, 'I am not this body,' then it really carries a strong force coming from you. Because it's very easy to say 'I'm not the body, nothing is happening to the body, and the body is not in pain.' But to have this, and I know the symptoms can just come and sometimes seem very strong, which you never know when they come what can happen. But seeing, 'Not this. And whatever this disease can take away from me was not original to me anyway,' then that is very beautiful.

Ananta

It's also beautiful in the way because you've really... it can be said like this, that there is really no time to fool around, is there? Really no time to fool around because of this. This gift is also there, which is that there might be others who are struggling even in their old age to be rid of some idea, some tendencies, wanting something. But with this diagnosis, you know that it makes something very clear, isn't it? It makes a lot of things very clear and you just feel like, 'Oh, there's no time for this stuff. There's no time for this.' If you're distracted, that grace is automatically helping. Otherwise, you can just be, 'Oh yeah, there's time for this, time for this.' When they say that this is here and there are scary internet reports about what can happen and things like this, then in a way that is also good because it's like, 'Okay, if this can happen to this body here, there's really no time.' So now this is a great blessing.

Ananta

The rest of us, we might spend our entire life just seeking. A lot of time, a lot of time, right up to the end, and suddenly something happens and poof. If here it's clear and you've been given enough time for this grace to be here to see, 'Actually, I don't have so much time,' there is a great dropping away of these distractions. So the fear comes that what will happen if you get some neurological paralysis or something like this. This kind of fear can sound really terrible like that, but it's also very beautiful in a way because every moment then is met with so much gratitude, so much love. And there's so much to be grateful for then. At least you're here in satsang and you're directly experiencing your eternal Self. There are so many who have the same disease who would just be wandering about so frightened and then so attached to the body. So we can send our blessings to the entire manifest creation, all our prayers to everyone, whatever their friction might be.

Ananta

And I remember to say my words are impossible for my meaning; they always come from a direct experience of what we are. All that can go, including this body, is not really you, isn't it? That way, irrespective of the state of the body, there can never be any separation between us. As long as this body is here, we wish it grace. We wish everything that is auspicious for this body also. And who knows? Maybe the food and water of India can snap this out. It supposedly has no cure. I used to have something where all the doctors said, 'You're going to have this for the rest of your life and it's incurable,' and then it went. And it's like purely God's grace. But just sometimes what modern medicine says doesn't really, you know... so just I wouldn't believe the doctors. Just 'Thank you, but no, I don't believe the doctors.' Next heart, grace. And I'm grateful for everything.

Seeker

Oh, so grateful. Everything has just been a way to inquire and look. And I know just whatever has to happen, whatever needs to come, it's fine and I welcome it completely.

Ananta

Nothing moves without the will of Consciousness. And whatever it does, even with seemingly most terrible things, as far as Himself, there is joy in it, enjoyment in it. From there we see movies where someone is told that 'You're going to have a very short life.' Someone told like this, maybe that short life can be much more enjoyable than suppose it was twice as long. Someone saw my hand when I was young, you know this truly? Yeah. And they said astrology was very good. Supposedly they said, 'Oh, you're going to die at 27,' very matter-of-factly. And 27 came and went, and here I am at 40. Watching this body is here. We never know what is meant. Someone was saying yesterday or the day before, someone said that 'It is not the death I'm worried about, it's more the pain and the suffering it is carrying.' Continue to lay it back.

Ananta

It's very cool that you're in satsang because what are we truly understanding when we say openness, non-resistance? It is truly understanding the power of acceptance. And even pain, the acceptance of it doesn't seem as strong as that pain which is resisting. A prayer can come from here that may all the afflictions of all of you, all that afflicts this entire manifest realm, may it just be experienced here. May none of my children suffer from any of this. This can come, and then laughter comes after that because I know that if my Father said that this is the way the play will be and this world is full of its afflictions, then who am I to question that and ask for something different?

Seeker

Sometimes the prayer will come, a prayer will come like something like 'Let me not identify' or something. But then even if there's identification, I know that that's even seen and like that's your problem. And you don't have to struggle with it because even that is not yours to deal with now. Give all this... it's such a wonderful place. Like you said, there's so much gratitude, everything.

Ananta

So already now you're not meeting anyone as your body. You're not meeting anyone as MMB. You meet them as your presence. May they only experience your presence, and may presence speak through your mouth, and presence hear through your ears, and presence smile, everything, touch everything, hear everything. It is already so. Okay, up. I meant here, and then Vivika can come if she's still there. Hello, you wanted to come up? Oh, Mama wants you to come up. You want to speak on the mic? Very good.

Seeker

When I came today, it felt very light, Father. Very light. I didn't come with any pain or any suffering, even though so much is happening. I felt joy coming here. And then just... I'm sorry, you don't feel like, 'Yeah, you know, mind doesn't work,' and that's the reason why I want to come here. Yes, because there's no mind when I come here. But what I've been noticing the past couple of days is it's not a report back. What is... there's so much happening, you know. As I said in the post on the heart, this one that I have, I can't stand if somebody is doing a mistake, no matter who it is, you know. But after last time I met and I had a conversation with you about my brother and mother, I can see the changes now. My brother has been very friendly and with her actually he's trying to match up with her. We're trying to be very loving in all those things. And I can see slight changes in my mom also, not so much like a fatality, no, not those things.

Seeker

This is how it is happening, you know. As I said in the post on the heart, this one that I have, I can't stand if somebody is doing a mistake, no matter who it is, you know. But after last time I met and I had a conversation with you about my brother and mother, I can see the changes now. My brother has been very friendly and with her, actually, he's trying to match up with her. We're trying to be very loving in all those things, and I can see slight changes in my mom also. Not so much like a fatality, no, not those things at all. And I can see that there's a lot of action, reactions, and interactions going on in here. When these things are happening, I don't feel that I am doing it or something. If it's sticky and I feel it, and I posted this thing is happening. Having said this, work this also as you said. I don't see that if I don't know, I don't know. It's like, you know how it is, all grace and all the things, because right now what I don't feel is on grace. I don't, yeah, something like that. And whatever is happening now is typical, like a good, great heaven, opposite tandem, what is not great, I don't know.

Ananta

No.

Seeker

Because it's like typically if you're involved in the family how it is, you know, trying to sort out things and all. But the good thing is there's no me, there's no method. Yeah, I don't feel I'm doing it or there's no stickiness to whatever has been. So that thing I can see. But I see that I haven't understood what they're doing, what mistakes they're doing. She's taking my mirror and gone home. I don't know, buddy, or like they all I have is mirrors now. I don't have a mirror also because you took it to show your vision. I don't know, Father, maybe your presence or your grace is working. I don't know.

Ananta

These are not shining the light on them judgmentally?

Seeker

No, no, no, no. I'm not judging them, but I'm trying to show them what they're doing. But I don't know how much they are taking it. Some understand, some don't. But it's just joy for me to do it. It makes me have every example because I learnt this and better information. This is my brother; sometimes she doesn't listen to what my dad said or her dresser, so I tell him and he puts up some suggestions or anything, they take it. And my mom is very much into all those believing into negativity and all those things. So I told her, explained to her that it's not the outside, something like that, in the way she understands. I think she took it; she didn't retaliate, kind of thing. So this is how it is happening, you know, few things here and there. These things are, it doesn't make sense against, you know what I'm talking. It doesn't make sense of it for me right now. There's no satsang, there is no feeling that I have to mean, I don't even orbital snow. This is how involved I am. So this is not like, this is how it is showing at the moment, like you know, it's coming up.

Ananta

It is every equation, yes. It is how it is, Lila.

Seeker

Yeah, there's no complaining about it. But yesterday I had a thought that you're not very, you know, always you have to be happy and smiling and you know, something like that if you are free or something. But I'm not sad, and I'm not sad or if anybody says it, it doesn't bother me at all.

Ananta

They don't have to be always happy-happy, huh? In fact, naturalness is better, I would say, than some sort of a fake happiness or not.

The Thread Continues

These satsangs touch the same silence.