Fear of Losing Beingness When the Body Dies - 9th Sept. 2016

So if it has no function, then what will be lost if we lose this body?

Nothing. You know, what is happening here? I can just... it is just an energetical resistance. Um, well, so I don't know what I'm saying, but oh, it is kinky that flow, is it?

Let's look at it another way also. Yeah, there is no body which has ever been born. Two of those senses functioning... I don't know if this is true scientifically, my feeling is that it is true. So if you were to say that something called... for those ultimate contents, suppose phenomenally speaking, if there is something called function, then the function of this body is to have this sensory experience of the world. Yes? When we are saying that we don't want to lose this body, there must be this fear that along with the going of this body will go the sensory experience of this world. Because if there was no sensory experience of the world at all, then we would not feel like this body is here in the first place.

Yes, yes. And there's an attachment to that.

Yes, yes. Okay, so this is what we should look at. So there must be an attachment to this sensory experiencing, which then translates into the love for the body or the attachment to the body. And yet every night we have had enough of this experiencing and we move on, then unconcerned about that, you see? So there's a... we experience every day there's a certain limit to all forms of sensory experience, even the best ones. That's... Papaji had this very beautiful example where he said that you could be on your wedding night in the arms of your beloved, but if you had enough of experiencing, then even then you will say, 'Okay, leave me alone, I am going to sleep,' you see? So there are limits to all sensory experiences. So as long as there is an urge within consciousness to experience itself in a sensory way, it will be available to us, you see? It is experiencing so many different grounds. It creates dreams, it creates all these rooms so that it can experience itself in those ways. Its peak experience, all that sensory experience, you see? So consciousness is unlimited. We don't have to worry. If the urge is there in consciousness to experience in a sensory way, it will create a body for itself, you see? So it's really not a concern for our mind because the mind cannot even create sleep or the mind cannot even wake up. And when the urge for sensory experience dissolves, then this appearance of this body dissolves. And at that point, we don't really know what it is. Is it just a dream? We will have like this together. We don't really know these things. We just presume that, 'Okay, I'm going to wake up tomorrow morning.' Maybe actually there is some other realm of time in which we experience a trillion years between going to sleep tonight and waking up tomorrow. We don't know these things, you see? Maybe we never experience this body again. Maybe it is just here this instant and all only idea of, you see? So the mind cannot grapple with these topics at all.

No. But Father, what came up here was now... what is... is what the sense of being will also be gone when the body is gone?

Why not? It is really found that when the sense of being appears, then finally the sense of body also appears. This appearance of the body also appears. Most often I say, because many have had experiences of out-of-body experiences or other astral travel type experiences where they did not have this sense of physical body, you see? Some experiences like this have happened here also, where it felt like eyes were closed and I was sitting somewhere, and it felt like without this physical body I was able to travel to any part of the universe. And it became... the appearance became that the entire universe became just a flickering light in front of me, you see? I'm not trying to give any specialness to these appearances because they were also just appearances after all. But what I'm saying is there can be the experience of beingness without necessarily it being attached to a physical body, you see? But mostly it is found that as being appears, also this sense of body appears, you see? That which is concerned about the loss of beingness is which one? And can you repeat? Sorry, that which is concerned about the loss of being itself is which one? Is it the same one that will lose the being? You see? The same one that is resisting God, you see? God's not going well... or just presuming.

I can just see all the presuming of how it would be, or you know, this is a persistent thought which is coming, which I can now see. It was not... yeah, that you know, when this body dies, this being will also be gone or something, you know? And this is even... or beingness is not possible without this body.

Yeah. And there's attachment. And yet the same beingness also dissolves every night along with this entire realm of appearances. Who is controlling the rising and the dissolution of this being? That is beyond anything that can be fathomed on this realm at all, because this realm is only present, you see? What I can tell you for sure is that when this being dissolves, the concern about the dissolution of the being will definitely not be there, because that concern only exists in appearance in the light of the being itself.

Yes, right. The same as this fear, everything what is going on is... it is actually nothing. It is really nothing. Yes, it's nothing. It's just... I don't know, it's just nothing. I cannot even say that it is energy anymore, you know, some kind of energy anymore. So it is really nothing.

Yes. That was a beautiful... what happened with Bhagavan as a young child is that, 'I'm dying, I'm dying.' And then what happened? Some grace happened for him where he said, 'Okay, now I want to see clearly what happens when you die,' you see? So he just lay down. He said, 'Okay, I'm going to die, let me see what happens,' you see? And what died is the sense of the separation. There's a sense of the identity that died.

Yes. Yeah, thank you for sure. Yeah, thank you for remembering me, remembering. Yeah, yeah, right. Oh, great thing. Thank you, thank you. I feel really good.