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Can You Tell Me If Anything That You See is any Different from What I See? - 7th May 2015

May 7, 201513:1741 views

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Ananta guides listeners to distinguish between changing phenomenal objects and the unchanging witness. He asserts that our true nature is this untouched awareness, which remains identical and ever-present regardless of internal or external perceptions.

Everything that is appearing and disappearing is just phenomenal objects. The witness is unmoving and unchanging.
Is there any distance between myself and this witnessing? I am where this awareness is.
No object, no phenomena actually has any hold on me. I remain the same, untouched.

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Transcript

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Ananta

Forget about all of this just for a minute. Just now, don't give anything to the mind. Tell me how what you see is any different from what I see. And if it is any different, then you come up and speak to me about it. But I would really be very happy, all of you, to just let's all look together. You tell me how it is any different because actually, like a tree ambassadress today that I'm saying the same thing, you know, every day. I'm actually saying the same thing every day. Let's make sure that you're actually listening now. And then, you know, if you have these questions about how do you see things, is it different? And I keep saying no, but let's go through it together so that there's no feeling that you are not understood. Any time that it seems like it is not understood, you bring it up and say, 'This is where we differ. This is not how I see.'

Ananta

Okay, so then eyes are open. There is a perception. This external world, all the people, all the events, everything is happening in this seemingly outside world. Um, none of you, I feel, will have a conclusion of this. When the senses are present, then it seems like there is a world around us. And this world of phenomena has all these events which have... this is called the external world. That means the senses are closed, then you will see that there is an internal version. Like there were objects in the external world, it seems like there's another internal world with different objects. What are the objects in the internal world? There are thoughts, there is imagination, there are sensations or emotions. And emotions are basically just these sensations which we have labeled. Some we have labeled as anger, some we have labeled as nervousness, some we have labeled as joy. But basically, there is a sense of some sensational movements, of energetic movement, which is different from the regular. So in the internal world, all of these objects are perceived. External world, seemingly this world of atoms and molecules, which is also energy ultimately, is perceived. Internal world, all these objects, different forms of energy, are perceived.

Ananta

So it must be clear now that there is a perceiving going on. It doesn't matter whether it's internal or external, but there is this process of perceiving which is happening. Now, if you were to just check, be aware that everything which is coming is either an external object or an internal object. And you already know actually that there is a witnessing of all of this. Otherwise, you would not be able to report that this is there or not. If intelligence, the mind, is coming, you just look at it as another object. Let it come, let it say whatever it is saying, and you say, 'Okay, internal object.' The internal object is coming. Boom. We see like this at all which is moving. All of this which is coming and going, whether seen internally or externally.

Ananta

Then you can bring your attention to the body also. So all the sensations which seem to be here are also objects in it. It seems like a part of the body is pulsating, the heart is beating, it might be some pain which is experienced, discomfort. All of these you will also see that they are internal objects and there is a perceiving of all of these sensations also. So let's club all these sensations also as internal objects. Now forget about the distinction of internal and external. Everything that is appearing and disappearing is just phenomenal objects. Phenomena is appearing and disappearing. Just check whether the witness of this, this phenomenon, is that also appearing and disappearing or it seems to be constantly here? It doesn't matter. Whatever is appearing, let it appear. Be completely open. Don't resist anything. If all phenomenon, if all objects come and go, then very simply ask yourself: that which is witnessing them, is that also coming and going or it seems to be unmoving, unchanging?

Ananta

When I check, I see that it is completely unmoving and unchanging. Be vigilant. Don't let your mind confuse you with some visual representation of what I am saying. Don't make a picture of what I'm saying. If pictures are coming, let them also come and go. Imagination is just another phenomenal object. We are talking about the seeing, the witnessing, which is aware of all of this, including the visuals that the mind might be trying to paint. Well, as I am checking now, I can see that this witnessing is completely untouched by any of this phenomenal movement. And then very simply just check: is there any difference, is there any distance between myself and this witnessing, this awareness? I am. As I check, it's completely clear. Where I am, this awareness is. And I am everywhere. There is nowhere that I can say that awareness is and I am not, and nowhere that I can say I am but awareness is not.

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Ananta

So as I see it now, I could never be a thing. I can never be an object because all these objects are just coming and going and this witnessing stays here untouched through all of this. This awareness is unmoved. Even the process of phenomenal witnessing, phenomenal scenes through the senses, is witnessed by me. Therefore, I must be this, this awareness, this simplicity. And I say that no object, no phenomena actually has any power over me. All thoughts are allowed to come and go. All emotions can stay for as long as they like and eventually go. This body can do whatever, sensations can happen, and in the same way, what is perceived here through the senses is also completely free. When I remain the same, untouched by any of this, is there any difference in the way you see it and I see it? If there is a difference, then I would like to know. And remember that I'm asking about the way you see it, not about the way you think it or feel it. I would really like to know that when you actually look, can it really be any different? Has it ever been any different? What you see is that it is like this. And this is the realization of the Self. And we keep it that simple. Take away all the frills, all the bells and whistles, and just keep it this simple. I have already said that this is the way I see it. Is it any different from the way you see it?

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