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'Belief in Thoughts Just Happen' & 'Don´t I Need Thoughts Sometimes?' - 2nd February 2016

February 2, 201623:4482 views

Saar (Essence)

Ananta guides the seeker to recognize themselves as the underlying Awareness, reminding them that while Consciousness may play as a person, all thoughts and actions are spontaneous appearances requiring no belief or conceptual framework.

Don’t believe your next thought. There is no need to even not believe it; just remain as Awareness.
The person is not even an appearance; it is not even properly meeting the criteria of an appearance.
All instructions are for Being. What is going to instruct Awareness? What pointing can you give to Awareness?

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Transcript

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Seeker

So you say, 'Don't believe your next thought.' But it seems—it appears here—that belief happens automatically many a time. It's so fast. Then consciousness, this happens, and you know, before you realize it, it's like, 'Oh, my Self.' You can say it goes as awareness. If I speak, I don't have anything to say about that. Yes, it happens, but it happens... it appears that it's a spontaneous power which expires on the way. Explain this.

Ananta

This is good. So as I said, don't believe your next thought, which includes the thought that you're believing about your past ones. Let's go together now. Let's do together: don't believe your next one. There is no need even to believe the next. There is no memory. That's my point, because I'm always aware and that's all. That's a full stop. There will be... there is no need even to not believe the next.

Seeker

But many a times belief happens by itself. Look, you and any other... I cannot do anything about that. I am simply aware of that time it happens. And sometimes if the thoughts are negative and if it happens in them, suffering also happens. But it is the Being which suffers, but I don't. Yes, nothing has ever happened to awareness. Yes, then why do we do such...?

Ananta

We need to keep reminding the Being that for awareness, you came out of awareness. That's it. That's it. And the reminding is simple, or the direction is simple. Then I'm not deluding myself with this picked-up belief of being a person. I never... because I like what I am.

Seeker

It is Being which is the building itself. Yes, consciousness is believing in the person and it's playing as a person. Many times in day-to-day life it behaves like a person. That is equally... I am aware also, but that is in me as awareness there. But that still happens. And maybe the mind wants that it should not happen. The mind wants that the person should never come back, that there should never be a person again. Let's go to be there, but that doesn't happen. I mean, it keeps coming and going, and anyway it doesn't do anything to me as awareness. It's a bit of a pendulum you are having between being as awareness and speaking as Being.

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Ananta

Yes, my awareness and your awareness is one in our nature. Yes, my dear, I know that. So this everything is appearing within awareness itself, and awareness is always aware of itself. And even consciousness is made up of awareness itself. There is nothing else, you see. So this is getting clearer and clearer. Then you'll not even be concerned about what is happening to Being as long as the sense is there that I am. See, then the 'I am' has the potential to pick up 'I am a good person,' 'spiritual seeker,' 'I am enlightened,' 'I am whatever.' It will drop in me. Happening for who? Without me dropping and picking up, both are happening for 'I am' itself, for consciousness itself. There is nothing to say to awareness. To the question 'Am I aware now?' is for Being to recognize this also, where it comes from.

Seeker

So there's that pendulum again. This is a questioning, but he doesn't think pendulums... those things are even me. If I can ask you about yourself, has the pendulum stopped even, or is it slowed down?

Ananta

Yes, it is identifying as a person like this, resting as Being. This pendulum, it slows down to such an extent that it seems like work to pick up. Pause momentarily. Thoughts will get pretty ineffective with those long-term... You know, as a kid I was very sulky about things, especially as a teenager. So if I'd have a fight—okay, don't tell my wife—we'd have a fight with my girlfriend or something like that, I would sulk for days. This would amount to being thought just a lot of stuff. Really, well, and I find that is completely gone now. Not possible to sulk because this thought is picked up momentarily, though. So this sense of sulking, resentment is then... so go boom, all of these debts wiped out. This pendulum was like the second dream part of the play. So for this part is the natural emotions and sensations which can come and again come, which didn't come. See, hunger can come and what it is, and we interpret these. Remember, hunger came and then you integrated and say anything either that that person is so terrible, I am so terrible, and we convert those into these sense of hot mixed emotions, something like that. It scares them, the sulking thing I was talking about. So that gets dropped. Everything is just momentary, fresh, and it happens all right there. It's just consciousness itself as this power. Lingering sense when it was left untouched, claiming back right, wrong. Then you move out of your... one day it has to happen by itself because actually there is nobody else here. Boom. Only consciousness is appearing and disappearing. The person is not even an appearance; it is not even properly meeting that.

Seeker

How hard... I mean, how sometimes I wonder, how is it possible to pick up this person? Any attention look is never possible, and sometimes it does happen also. Why is it?

Ananta

Yes, this is part of the play. This is part of the play. A little bit back and forth, a little bit pendulum. Don't put any labels on yourself. Labels will give you trouble. And definitely don't have the sense that 'I got it' or 'I am getting it' and then again...

Seeker

Exactly. It's very difficult to use this word 'I' because this is very quickly it can seem like that. Actually, I have never had so much trouble with using the word because when belief is withdrawn from the sense of personhood, it doesn't mean that a natural way of living in the world also has to change. I don't want to respond saying for the body here is hungry, so can I have a pizza? It's not like that. Naturally, I would like a pizza, a cheeky... but it does not become a definition for me. Of course, I am at in before... I haven't... I am glad that even prior to 'I am.' So that's why I asked you to stay with your direct experience and you will see that even 'I am,' I am aware of it. It is appearing for me. This 'I,' if I was to ask predominantly what are you, although 'I am' is a beautiful aspect of you, I think that if you're experiencing the same as mine, you will see predominantly I am this awareness and this tiny light or analyst for Being moves in and out. Would stay true to your experience? Then even there is no need to say again that maybe that's an instruction for the Being.

Ananta

In satsang, all instructions are for Being here, at least. Of course, in the world you'll find lots of instructions for the identity. In satsang, all instructions—'don't believe the next thought'—is for Being, not for awareness. What's going to instruct awareness? What pointing can you give to awareness? And who can? And you can point to our one who is pointing. One is itself in awareness in one time without believing at all, and then thought becomes an action. Suppose if I give you an example of very common... okay, I have to go to college and I have to take a lecture online from my design. So this is a thought. Now if this thought is not believed, will it mean... whatever the direction, action will happen without belief? How does the thought become an action?

Seeker

The thought comes, 'Really, I want to go to satsang today.' The thought comes and yet the action might happen or might not happen.

Ananta

Yes, actually yes. It may have one winner and if possible moves. Thoughts and actions are appearances within consciousness. Consciousness is free to project whatever thought and act. Right? We live in the game. It can seem like, 'Oh, I thought this and I said yes to this thought and I did this.' But when you see, our action is all of the action just happening on their own also many times. We decided to do certain thoughts, but the moment comes, it doesn't happen. Usually, for example, maybe we'll decide, 'Okay, when I go to work today, I will tell my manager he has to back off.' And then you wind up at work standing in front of the manager saying the word, 'Should I do next?' How... how did that happen? What's happened? The Yoga Vasistha actually has a beautiful way to describe this, which is that the crow is flying and lands on the branch of the coconut tree and the coconut falls. Now, this is the landing of the crow on the coconut tree that caused the coconut to fall? The coconut might have been ready to fall anyway. Otherwise, the mind has this tendency to make a connection. No, the appearance of thought is happening, the appearance of action is happening; actually, they're just both appearances within consciousness. I don't feel that consciousness needs to rely on thought to run a life. To pretend to be a person, it leads to the lamb chops when many wants to carry out a very implicit function which requires a lot of planning. You are micro-planning everything on this point with the endpoint, so much of thoughts going on, and when brainstorming occurs, you learn everything. It's the thoughts again. What's our belief or chapter? Also believe them. I mean, the time for action is there, action happens. Many times it is not according to you and all your might. Many times it is with a rootkit. So sometimes believing a lot might be required for action? That's what I'm saying, that I don't believe God would need a thought. You are a thought or Being afforded to carry out an action, but you are free to believe it if you like. It's okay.

Seeker

Brings me to something. As long as the sense is that God is here and there is no separate person, it's fine. And why don't I believe that God needs thoughts to run a life? What is running this entire realm? Word inverted, inward, and you come to the realm of quantum physics. Everything, it is moving on its own. You haven't even yet figured out how these trillions of cells come together, atoms together, and stay as a body. You haven't figured out the cohesive force that keeps it together. Roads... we haven't figured out how... what intelligence antibodies have, reads the DNA structure code. All of this God is doing. What is doing all of this? So that which is running all those quiet sound, gravity, electricity—all of these forces, the quantum forces—does it really need to rely on these thoughts to move in this consciousness?

Ananta

I find it tough to be me, but I'm all clear if you have that disease. Because as long as we are saying it's God that is believing thought and doing some action, I'm okay with it. Long as you're not getting a 'doer' into the picture. More trouble. There is no that. When the thought is coming, is it saying that, 'Okay, God, so what you have to do next?' All thoughts are preserving the existence of a predicament. Yes, sit on top of with the... and no to take ever existed. And what uses it on out of lies? This is given the other really... this is old video where the particles of light, they change at the tree based on whether there is an observer of that light or not. It has some wave-world sort of movement. The observer exists and just pure particle sort of movement when there is no observer. What gives the atom the intelligence? Services now. If you moving the thing is just going from point A to B, how does it know? There must be a supreme intelligence which is moving about also. There is a BBC study which I mention very often in satsang, if you can send to you. It says that the nerves start getting activated, the brain starts activating the nerve centers of the movement of the hand six seconds prior to the movement of the hand. And sometimes the thought comes maybe one or two seconds before the movement. So the activation of the nerves is happening even before the thought comes. So you post-facto, we come and say, 'Oh, I did this,' or just before the action then the mind tries to be tricky and think, 'Oh yes, I must move my hand,' so maybe it happened. The cool thing is that there is no 'doer.' Rest of it is fine by me. What is God is playing in this way that he needs thoughts to run a life? Then let God play that way. What is playing in that way? Thought can come and do whatever it wants and things, and doesn't need it to run the balance. Then let God play it. I am just saying that don't believe there is this entity which the thought is telling you that you are. He's a kind and not the doer of my actions. Yes, neither can he know them. The one that is the doer, let that worry about whether it needs thoughts or not.

Ananta

Maybe morning, if you are just... also I will give you some advice, which is that don't try to create a conceptual framework about what we are saying. We find it delicious, ready this day with our direct experience and it will serve you very well. If you make a set of ideas about what is this and this is consciousness, awareness, this is free will, this is God's will, and that laid back, then the sun will come and it will be the opposite and you'll be very frustrating for you also. Because you say, 'Oh no, but I had understood this.' Now you see, Ananta is not really... I don't flee these being authentic and thing like that because all the ideas that we have, they must be blown apart, you see. They must be blown. If you're building a house of cards of concepts, then some wind has to come and blow it. Just be open, just be fresh at the moment. Everything is clear. You stay with your direct experience. You need to rely on no concept. Also remember that most sages have said that 'I don't speak the truth' because the truth actually cannot be spoken. To keep you in that neutral neutrality zone of mind jumps this way or that way, I will say left someday, I will say right. Someone can say left, somebody else say right. So if you are attaching to the concepts of left and right, then this could be deeply frustrating for you. If you just stay with your own experience, all you have to do is get back. Then that is beautiful. You can say, 'This is the way I see it.' If someone is saying something different from the way I see it, can we explore together? Then that is very beautiful for me because I still feel actually I can learn from your insight also. Give no relief to your spiritual mind. It is time to be this particular. Thank you.

The Thread Continues

These satsangs touch the same silence.