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Ashtavakra Gita Ch. 20, Vs. 1-9 Commentary and Contemplation - 19th September 2017

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Ananta points to the self as a transparent, attribute-less witness that exists prior to the elements and the mind. He encourages dropping all conceptual knowledge and spiritual identities to recognize one's inherent unity and stillness.

What witness is there is that which does not come and go; this is what we are looking for.
The person does not exist. This existence is existence itself, not personal existence.
Any concept you pick up about yourself draws a boundary; stay with the truth of being as you are.

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Ananta

The chapter is called "Liberation in Life." Janaka says: Where are the elements, the body, the organs, the mind? Where is the void? Where is despair? My nature is transparent clearness. So, as we were saying the other day, this is one of the most important truths. What is it that is beyond the elements, including the space which contains them? What must be you? Can we settle for this just as a concept? It is best used as a pointer. As all of that out there—the elements: earth, water, fire, air, space—what witness is there? Is that also elemental? The elements, the body... what is the body made up of? Also the organs, the mind—all of these are the byproducts of the appearance of this boundary, byproducts of the appearance as "I am." What is it that is before "I am" was saying is space? How do we come to this discovery? What tools can we use to come to this pure recognition of the Self? If we are told that we cannot find it in the phenomenal world, is it even possible? You know, what goes to this discovery? To start with, all that is phenomenal will not help in the discovery. It's not an elemental discovery. The body, the senses, the mind—can they move beyond the phenomena? So, what is it that is beyond this? Are we getting left without anything? You see, it is pointed again and again to go to the witness of these. All that is phenomenal—what witness is there? Or, evolving with the mind, the elements—where are all of these? Where are they? It is a riddle question. So, where are they? Sometimes you can hear it as poetry, and sometimes you can take the question seriously. Where are all of these? Another question: where are we then? You might say they're in the realm of appearance. Why do you say they're in the realm of appearance? What is an appearance? So, any of these, are they constant? No. Coming and going—that is our second clue, isn't it? That which is the constant witness, that which does not come and go—this is what we are looking for. Simple for you, but impossible for the mind or the organs.

Ananta

And I was saying the other day, if you want to board a flight but you want to keep one foot on the ground... so to come to this discovery and hold on to a little concept about yourself, because the mind will mix even in this chocolate cake, beautiful recognition. I that is aware of all that is moving—the mind may come and say, "What can I keep? Again, what story I sold you of the same limited one?" What about that which witnesses all of this? Even this recognition, when we allow the mind to come in, it will only sell us the story of limited identity, trying to keep it, asking whether you really got it, whether the world... "Even I got this." The mind is that voice which is telling to you that limited notion about yourself which you can never really find. "My nature is transparent clearness." So, what does this mean? Basically, it means that it is attributeless, qualityless, clear. Clear beyond any clear. Transparent beyond transparency. Transparent clearness. Now, as I say this, "transparent clearness," if you give it to your mind to find this transparent clearness, they will try to give you an image, which is fine. Transparent, maybe something, even something... all the ideas. But find out what witnesses even that much. And who is aware of this? See, who is the perceiver of this internal notion of transparency? The symbol of juice. And what is aware of this perceiving? Usually, transparency is beyond any quality. Motion. Then you cling on the side of the truth.

Ananta

Where is scripture? Where is self-knowledge? Where is the mind? Where is contentment and freedom from desire? I am empty of dualness. Where is scripture now? Now is the time. What is the sage pointing to? The sage is saying it's time to drop all this knowledge that we have picked up. They have been useful only as pointers. There is nothing you need to remember or know, no small key to know about the Self. You don't need to know mentally. The knowingness, awareness... you don't remember one word of the Bhagavad Gita, you don't know what happened to the last 19 chapters—it's completely fine. What is it that you want to know? You don't know anything about anything at all. You don't even know what you're doing here. Better relax. We know too much. If you know what you're doing here, where you have to go, then these mental motions just get in the way. Seemingly, the part of the play. You can see me right now. That you exist, you are not using a concept. Is the thought of the concept holding up your existence right now? If you forgot all language, if you do not understand your thoughts, do you cease to exist in this moment? And then if it is just here, this existence, I am, and this world of appearances continues to move as it has to, then what is it that is the doer? What is it that wants something? What is it that is separate? Is there any such thing? How long will we hold on to the interpretation of these sensations? The intimacy of these seeming sensations—how long will we let them convince us that we are just a bundle of flesh and blood? That's all that's happening.

Ananta

I was saying to someone yesterday that you were saying they are the body, but actually, in your experience, the body just is a set of sensations—visual sensations and sensations of feelings, being, pleasure, pain. Believe us, we give to those sensations. So, consciousness has been caught up trying to disentangle itself from the sensations of pain and cold, sensations of pleasure. Now, are you not done with that game? What is it that is aware of all of this? Is that which is aware of all of this subject to any of this? Is that not you? So, your unlimited Self removes the false notion of the limited self. And it means unlimited Self. I want to say, I move aside and get me the words are some useful now. Saying that any place which seems to become an aid in this world to remove this limited notion of finally your idea of limitation about yourself—it's not such something even if it is this one. So, it is possible to hear the words of Satsang and again reinforce a spiritual ego. Or it is possible to hear the words of Satsang as pointers to see. Okay, one more pointer. We may be... what witness is everything? Self remains unchanging. What witness is everything? Self itself remains unchanging. This one sentence is more than enough. I use these people so long every day. Actually, it is needed to put more as the tools.

Ananta

Where there is self-knowledge, there is no mind, there is contentment, freedom from desire. So, where is no mind and contentment and freedom from desire? And you are trying to get to the movement. It is no mind. What was the bundle of thoughts? The mind. And there is no mind. Mind, whether object on screen or difference is either. So, all these concepts were useful at one point of time to come to this. The appearance of pointers is there. There is no mind. Where is contentment and freedom from desire? So, we are trying to be also the spiritual part, trying to get to this. Again, many times the spiritual journey is like picking up stones along the way and filling them in the bag of "me," and then wanting to be unburdened. Trying to do this, trying to get there without first establishing your true position right now. Can it be this simple? That all that we're looking for—contentment, freedom from desire—really does not apply to the reality which you are? It applied only to the notion of yourself. If you are beyond these opposites, or that duality, there is contentment and freedom from desire. I am empty of dualness. To Advaita, why "not two" is used and not just say "one"? And one is so long, can we use it like that? But anytime even the idea of one can imply that exactly the one which is objective in a way, and therefore they can give through this. What it means is that one which is one cannot even say this is one. That is that what kind of one? They cannot find an entity there which you can come to see.

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Ananta

Where is knowledge and ignorance? Where is I? Where is this? Where is mine? Where is bondage and liberation? Self has no attribute. It's exactly what we were saying. Qualityless. Knowledge and ignorance—if they remove you from opposites, then what do I know? You know how far we are from the sun? Whether we have that mental concept or we don't have it doesn't matter. So, that knowledge is different from this knowingness. So, don't get confused with the term knowledge and the conceptual knowledge. How far away from the sun? Second, if you do like a perceptual knowledge, only people are in this one. Perceptual in this way. There can be an emotional sort of knowledge: "How am I feeling? Great joy." Whatever the qualitative thing might be, emotional. But beyond that, what is it which knows of your very existence? What type of knowledge is that? How do you know that you exist? Do something. This is you. Use a concept. And I ask you: can you stop being? Experience your own beingness. Are you using a concept? Are you using the senses? Are you using a feeling? And yet you say this: "I am here. Beingness is here. I cannot stop." What is aware of that? We go as far as to ask: I am aware of my presence. What is aware that I am aware of? And I know to the mind it might sound like a riddle, but it is possible to have an infinite regress. This lottery has to stop here. Actually, following through your recognition, following with your direct insight, and you will see there is nowhere for the... it is this. This is actually the last question that you can ask yourself. After this, the play of subject and object stops. It is no pity. There is only the presence beyond any qualities. Awareness itself aware. And it's much simpler than it might sound like to the mind. It will, because it is self-aware that you are able to say "I am aware." To see "I am aware of my presence," you have to know awareness and presence. Don't try to understand this; it would just become a big mishmash. Flow into you. You are aware that you exist, and it is not that you are unaware that you are aware. Not a riddle. You know most.

Ananta

Where is I? Where is this? Where is mine? This "I am," "mine," and "this" and "that"—you lifted all of these things. Many times we come to this point of Advaita. Where is bondage and liberation? We will really discuss this today. The Self has no... where is the unfolding of karma? Where is liberation in life, or even liberation like that? There is only one. Now, some of you might be hearing this, and if you come from a traditional spiritual background, something you will not... you spent a lot of time trying to understand karma and to purify our karma, trying to do all of this. And then there's been a lot of time which has gone into either... these are two traditional paths: trying to get liberation while in this body, and the other part is to try and be as much in devotion as possible so that at the moment of death you voyage into the Lord itself. Every Asian actor is a traditional Indian spiritual path. Now Ashtavakra is saying: where are all of this? Karma? What is karma? Who does karma apply to? Even if it is the design of the world, even if it is the design of this plane that what happens here is that you will reap what you sow, what goes around comes around—even if it is the design of this world, who does it apply to? Is it the script of the movie, or is it about you? Then you see that like one that is the light of this movie, it's so beyond any idea of rules. Even if it seems to play in a certain way, this... when we pick up the idea that it must be this way, you will see where something opposite shows up. So many times I say, anytime the things will come, disregard saying hello. Like a point, so-called coincidence with a mathematical probability of one as am I. There's no explanation for it. How could it be there? This is just what you are talking about, and here it is. So that's like our thing. You do so many times you get these kind of play, this kind of play in the movie. Now you just see that supreme intelligence which is completely free, that seems to be done in this way of this. And if you look back at our life, most of us are able to open that anytime you see. I just happened to be here at the right place at the right time. I just happened to see on YouTube a video of Satsang and life is changed. Beautiful things. We can never, never hopefully with this to submit this kind of statement.

Ananta

You see, so many times you get this kind of play in the movie. Now you just see that Supreme Intelligence, which is completely free, that seems to be done in this way. And if you look back at our life, most of us are able to open that anytime. You see, I just happened to be here at the right place at the right time; I just happened to see a YouTube video. Life is changed. Beautiful things. We can never, never hopefully submit this kind of statement about the past, but the mind very rarely is able to use that to surrender everything in the future.

Ananta

So, whatever might be the rules of the functioning of this realm, whatever your paths to liberation might be, whatever your ideas about liberation might have been, whom do they apply to? To Ram, who is here? Is that free or bound? Was there ever the prisoner? Was there ever a prison, except the idea? Where is the doer or enjoyer? Where is the origin or end of thought? Where is direct or reflected knowledge? There is no person here. Where is the doer or enjoyer? Who is hearing right now? In Delhi, working, the same one is hearing and speaking. It is only one consciousness speaking with consciousness about itself. This is your perceived reality. This is what you are seeing.

Ananta

But anytime this is not what you are seeing, and next time some words appear from your mouth, I don't know who spoke, but is there really somebody sitting over there? Where do these words come from? Where the hand is moving, is there a member sitting there? Is there a power there? There is only consciousness hearing these words. All of this is to see. You go home, you see who is born, what is born. The mind is designed to do the sailor of the button. The un-inquired 'I' is the ego. This is the notion that we pick up over ourselves without looking at who that really is, because it cannot withstand an inquiry. The ego cannot withstand true inquiry, open inquiry. You will see that there is nobody there.

Ananta

I say, where are you, Mr. Person? 'I'm something inside my body.' Where? What are you? So, the doer and enjoyer do not exist. If you consider yourself to be a person, no person exists. So that's why I like these simple examples like the blue cow. Why? Because when you say the person doesn't exist, I'm pretty clear about that now, but how do I get rid of the world identities? It's like saying, 'I'm aware that there is no blue cow, but how do I get it from drinking all the milk in the house?' It is a contradiction. If you know that you do not exist personally, then who is it that has the attribute of the ocean? That which actually is. So, the person does not exist. Does that mean that you are not? But you can't say you are not. You must be. You have to exist exactly.

Ananta

So, this existence is whose existence? This is the final misunderstanding. This existence is whose existence? Is this personal existence? It is existence itself, whether you call it consciousness, God, I Am, me, whatever. But when we say this existence is of the person that I consider myself to be, it is the root of the jivan. I am something. My claim is here at my beingness itself playing. If I am something, an emotion or picked-up notion about itself or something limited, then please, all of the jiva powers then take off all these rules through there. And it has been five partners until he manages all of them. Spiritual seeker. Then what is the troublesome rule that you could pick up? Enlightened one. Because that can be supposed to keep telling you is not to see. It is not enlightened or attached to whatever is a limiting notion.

Ananta

I keep saying 'limited notion.' Why? Because it is the perpetuation of the mind. And if you really smell for what the mind is saying, you will find almost everything that it is selling to you is the idea of your limitedness and something. If your boundary is being defined, any concept you pick up about yourself draws a boundary about it. It's trying to create a line in space and say space starts here. Where is the doer or enjoyer? Where is the origin or end of thought? Where is the thought coming from? And you will start coming to satsang using like they are creating their columns and also they create interaction. Many times you see that you just appear and disappear. Is that doer of action which usually is most key? We will come to that also.

Ananta

When you see that just like these thoughts are disappearing, going back into consciousness, similarly the actions are also appearing and disappearing. When the mind says 'I did,' the thinker of your thought, you see that all of these are disappearing and the mind comes either pre-event or post-facto trying to take credit or blame for what happened. Actually, what is happening? Where is the origin or end of thought? Where is direct or reflected knowledge? There is no person, no direct or reflected knowledge. Again, scripturally, there are some which are direct scriptures and some which are commentaries or reflections of those scriptures. So, see this now. Last chapter, poking that all of this, which might have been tools along the way, I find myself to do this. Who does it apply to? 'You must be a good person. We must find divine light.' And in this, the nature of the mind will become insane because it only understands opposites.

Ananta

So, does this mean I can just go around shooting people? And he said, but you have to do one of these three objects. Does this mean I can be irresponsible and lie down in bed? And the second objection used to be: but does this mean that I'm not responsible and going around shooting people? So, this is actually the play of consciousness continuously. Mind comes and says, 'Do this, do that. Please don't do that.' Okay, what we will need statistically is to keep track of this. You will see that this doership will fall away because how many times have we decided, 'I have work to do this.' My favorite example, and we do because it happened here: we decided we're going to work, 'I'm going to tell my boss he's like this,' and you show up to work. So, this whole idea of decision-making running this life, in spite of the fact that if you were to even investigate it statistically, the opposite of control and over this existence to existence. Difficulty only comes because there is this fear of not having.

Ananta

Where is the world? Where is the seeker of liberation? Where is the contemplative? Where is the man of knowledge? Where is the soul in bondage? Where is the liberated soul? My nature is unity. Where is the world? Where is the seeker of liberation? Where is the contemplative? Where is the man of knowledge? Where is the soul in bondage? Where is the liberated soul? My nature is unity. They look at all these aspects. Where are creation and destruction? Where is the end and the means? Where is the seeker? Where is attainment? I am one. Where are creation and destruction? Where is the end and the means? Where is the seeker? Where is attainment? I am one.

Ananta

When you start to look at this life until the personal ends, so even that which we call our day-to-day life, which we take so much for granted, you realize what waits and where that comes. This consciousness, this being, with the waking up of this being, you feel that the world wakes, the universe wakes. This really will you say that I am that shoreless ocean in which the arcs of this universe, they go up and down, they occur in the disappearance. I am that in which all these states—waking, dream, sleep, and turiya—you come and go. What is your experience? You will come, you as consciousness appear to exist within this existence. In this entire play of light and electricity and gravity, you are not. Existence dissolves into its source. It is all of this, just like the content of a dream flows right back into you.

Ananta

Simply peel the lens of personhood. You start to see the day-to-day life, which seems so mundane for the person, you see it is this. This is the real of you. Don't you? Although the guards were family line, you're just an object with your mission and destruction. Where does this happen? Where is the end and the means? Where is the seeker? Where is attainment? I am one. Where is the knower? Where is knowing? There is the known, knowledge itself. They see that when we come to know, knowing and knowledge, the more these distinctions we feel, so it is beyond the subject-object relationship. There is an object which you perceive, therefore in that thinking you are the subject of man. Now, who is the subject of this subject to perceive this? You can see an object. What perceives this perception? We shut ourselves. Who hears hearing? Who sees sight? Not to be getting little to know, then who is aware of perception? Who is aware of the so-called movement of attention? You will find that here there is no distinction between knowing and there's no distinction between subject and object.

Ananta

Where is anything? There is nothing. I am pure awareness. Where is anything? There is nothing. Where is distraction, concentration, knowledge, or delusion? Where is joy or sorrow? I am stillness. Where is distraction, concentration, knowledge, delusion? Why is he saying all of this, which is trying to talk, all this trying to get focus, mind to have these certain practices? Can you guys see? Do I see what I have? Beyond this entire way of trying to change or trying to control my attention, trying to control my senses, and to control my mind. Distraction and attention, knowledge, delusion, we talked about. There is joy or sorrow. I am stillness.

Ananta

So, I want to tell you with three types of this. One is the joy of the happiness that you get which is based on objects. You have a coconut, you like the water, sweet. Now, that can come based on some objective please. Second is divine joy as you come to your unassociated presence, I Am. Notice that this is a different fragrance to the joy of your presence. There's no need for that joy. There is no need for joy indeed; it is unavoidable, which is appearance. Love, peace, and joy are your fragrance as consciousness not attaching itself to personal identity. It is empty of any object. It won't need an object of any sort to come to this final joy, that Brahmanandam, that purity of the attributeless. Yes, it is not that pure and impure duality like this. You know only the joy of existence, this joy of the Self.

Ananta

We will see that the Self, its very nature is this, this ananda, qualityless ananda. How can I make sense out of that for you? You have to taste it for yourself and your presence. This joy is so all that is seemingly lead, it is to drop off Englishness for an objective sort of joy. And in its simplicity, there is nowhere for this real divine joy to go but to be in service to you. Now, peace and joy in service to your presence. Just like karma, one of the apparent ways in which this universe works is that which we keep chasing, chasing, chasing seems to run. They are just empty notions. Tell me that is not its only way that I produce. You worry about sub-tension, and the other will take care of itself. So don't worry if it's complex. Forget about three types of joy. You don't need to know this, just some ideas we might have. Simpler pointing: stay with the truth, just remain now being as you are. Nobody you can do, only you again through a personal lens it consumes.

The Thread Continues

These satsangs touch the same silence.